• The main advantage of playing on pad is that you can hold it behind your head whenever you’re feeling silly. • The main advantage of playing on stick is that you can lift it _by_ the joystick to show other people how you’re cool and don’t give a f***. • The main advantage of playing on leverless is that, if you’re ever at a tournament on a snowy mountainside and suddenly there’s a massive avalanche, you can use the controller as a makeshift snowboard and ride to safety. All great options, IMO.
The main advantage of a joystick is that they tend to be heavy and you can use it for self defense. Obviously. It's why it's called an "arcade" stick. 😆
I genuinely prefer retro games on stick and more modern games on hitbox I have a hitbox already but I wanna grab a stick so I can switch between them for each game and sometimes even characters (istg Makoto 3s feels clunky on hitbox and I don’t know why)
As a person who mostly plays pad and stick, I got the Haute42 T16 a week ago and its really sick. Good option if you're interested in leverless and willing to spend not that much on one. The other Haute42 options are also cheaper than the T16.
I keep hearing it kinda pales in comparison to sanwa and the like, but it's not like sanwa buttons are 3x better than them so yeah good mid price option
got the T16 recently too, its surprising how cheap it is with its really good quality and firmware, i thought i was getting scammed but no its really a good leverless for people who don't wanna pay too much or live in the EU also buttons are easy to replace so general maintenance costs are pretty low, if you ever need it in the future
Same, and it was pretty much the same price in Europe from Amazon (Branded as sehawei) when it has historically been hard to find affordable leverless controllers in EU. Really nice leverless especially for the price and the gp2040 configuration options are super handy.
Yo también soy de España y estaba por comprarme el mismo que tu, por donde lo compraste? Yo lo estoy viendo por Aliexpress y en Amazon y no se si voy a arriesgarme por Aliexpress, ya me dirás por donde lo has comprado por que no estoy seguro por donde es la mejor opción@@TheJavimontoro
yeah, although i think they also raised their price somewhat significantly when they did that. i grabbed one for like 300/350 if i remember correctly and the compat is great but it isn't quite the budget option that it used to be
Note from someone who uses the MPress: do not buy the first version mpress if you see a listing for it. the one that has a regular type c port soldered onto the board. the usb port is not very strong and liable to wear out and start dropping your connection frequently and it sucks. I had this happen to me and so I ended up having to replace the main board and the issue came back after a year or so. The MPress V2 and any of the special editions for events have all solved this problem and are great
If you do already have a leverless with the types of switches the Snack Box Micro uses, I'd highly recommend trying out the pink, 25-gram switches. As long as you don't have problems with accidental inputs, the light switches really make it feel much more responsive. Plus, it's only a dollar per switch, so if you don't like it, you can put the default ones back on.
I got my first leverless controller yesterday, A Haute 42 G16. It is small but still comfortable, there is a learning curve but I already feel the potential. Great buy, fast shipping to the Netherlands (a week)
I'd say the two biggest things for leverless are knowing if you want keyboard switches or arcade buttons and form factor. If you don't know, go for switches, they can be replaced more easily with more options, in terms of size ask yourself if your cool with sitting exclusively with your legs together while you play.
I want buttons but don't want to spend a fortune so I'm hoping switches are fine. The replacing thing depends - T16 haute for example has almost no options
@@destroyermaker honestly main thing is just finding the right switches and button caps for you. I switched over to a snackbox micro from my fullsize snackbox for most things recently because its easier to just pull out on a whim when I want to play and with the right switches and convex button caps I was able to get it to a very similar feel to the arcade buttons on my full size. Main things you want to look out for are the switch type (clicky, tactile or linear) and the operating force (how much force is needed when pushing the button)
Good to know thanks. I'm coming from hitbox/sanwa to Kailh Choc v2 switches@@ZariLutus. I hear they're not the best but I guess still plenty good value for the money
@@ZariLutus Almost all leverless controllers have micro switches instead of normal keyboard switches, which means 90% of the switches you can find online will be incompatible.
My fiancé got me the Razer Kitsune as an early birthday gift recently, and it's honestly amazing! Plugged it up to my PC and it just worked out of the box; Didn't have to fiddle with Drivers or any Softwares. When not playing Fighting Games, I've been unironically using it for Fortnite Festival (that Guitar Hero/Rock Band gamemode). Haha.
The kitsune is my first leverless and i'm happy with it. it really looks and feels like a "pc gaming" accessory more than like a specialized fighting game controller. i sit it on my desk and it matches everything else that's rolling with RGB.
You beat my ass years ago on MK never forgot. I added you on steam, and you told me about a book, playing to win by David Sirlin. I appreciate the games and the knowledge, hope youre doing well!
Getting a leverless is the best thing that has happened to my fighting gamer facet. It was really a gamechanger, a lifechanger: not only my wrists and thumb stop hurting, but my inputs got way more clear and I become able to do hard combos I have never dreamed of before. Pad is almost ok but never enough; stick was an awful, absolute waste of time, money and spirit; leverless transformed me in a true FGC tribe member.
How is your experience with half circles once u got used to it ? I honestly feel like they’re easy once u get used to them. To what extent do u believe that half circles are better on stick?
Just bought the razor whatever it’s called, and man it feels so flipping good! I’m 6’2” with big ole hands and it feels like the perfect size! Excited to get better with it!
For anyone looking to try leverless moving from stick or pad, a couple notes from when I started using a Snackbox Micro: -Specific to my case but if you are a more physical player that moves you may notice your leverless sliding on your lap, would recommend trying to be more deliberate and less aggressive with your movement inputs. -YOU DON’T HAVE TO SIT DIRECTLY IN FRONT OF THE SCREEN THERE IS NO STICK GATE TO WORRY ABOUT JUST KEEP GOOD POSTURE -practice tks, half circles, and this is an ask, but full circles as well. For full circles specifically I recommend trying to hide them behind long lasting normals until you succeed, moving on to a faster normal, and repeating the process. -Sound is key when learning directional inputs. Oftentimes when I’m playing with friends I am literally listening to my movement inputs coming off my Snackbox (specifically for Jubei installs in BBCF lol) cause I’ve learned what it sounds like to do the input right. ngl tho leverless is my favorite way to play having dabbled with all three, would rec
Just ordered my first leverless and its a Haute42. I hope I can make the switch from arcade stick to leverless without too much pain. *Update* - only took a week to get fully used to it. Will never go back!
You're literally just paying for the parts, the shipping, the brand, and the firmware that allows ps5 functionality. That's why the ps5 hitbox is $100 more than the ps4 compatible one
A lot of these are very pricey outside of the US for shippong reasons, as someone from the UK, of you want one I could reccomend looking into either the okiboard from okiboard arcades (very similar to an mpress, uses brook boards so you can use built in ps5 compatible versions but need firmware, or use a converter.) or furin arcades for a very cuatomisable but pricier experience. (Edit: I only have used the okiboard but its very good, similar soze and weight to a laptop so reasonably portable, I like the buttons and it stays in place pretty well on my lap)
I second the okiboard been through quite a few tournaments with it and while yes it's fairly big it sits nicely on the lap and doesn't shift from the plexiglass bottom
I like my okiboard, with the caveat that it is the most insane fingerprint skin collecting monster of a peripheral I have ever owned That and I would not mind more responsive, shorter actuation lower force switches (or, one day, rapid trigger style things like from wooting)
Own the Kitsune and Micro, Kitsune for bigger hands and long playtime. Micro is Light and easy to carry, the LED can be annoying specially if you don't have a PC to change the settings. love both.
the more stripped down granola arcade model, the trailmix, is the one i got and its pretty solid! it's like $60, nice and small, a good starter controller to test whether you like leverless. battle beaver customs also makes a conversion kit that makes the ps4/ps5 dpads into individual buttons instead of a single pad inside which made my inputs much cleaner, great for when my wrists are getting sore from learning leverless.
I've got the Haute42 t16 and it's incredibly comfortable. I do worry about taking it out since the plexi isn't super resilient, so I'd either get a smaller (cheaper) one or the metal option for tournaments
I ended up liking the Haute more than my snack box. The concave buttons weren't doing it for me, and I sorta liked having the whole button outside the enclosure compared to what was going on with the Snackbox. Something about the default setup of the Haute madeit way easier or me to it half circles without missing the last ring finger back input for some reason too. Just my personal experience with it.
I really love my mavercade keebbrawler-01 modded with robin switches (most people would prefer the default red ones). I love the space it has for resting my hands and the layout of buttons. The huge jump button is much appreciated.
Another advantage i feel from playing on stick is that pressing multiple buttons at the same time, like RCs or Custom Combos, feels way easier and more natural than on pad
My fave go-to is Raiden in KOFXIII. He has a Dropkick special that requires you to charge it by holding down one of the kick buttons, which makes it really hard to do on pad but is trivial on fightstick
Mpress gamer here! I'd tried several all buttons prior but it was really a game changer for me. The larger buttons are just amazing. Something to note for anyone interested, the Evo Mpress is like, 2X heavier than other mpress models. I personally don't have a lot of issue with them sliding in my lap but the normal mpress's are like 6 lb and the evo has to be over 10 minimum.
I got the razer kitsune as my first fightpad and i absolutely love it, i plugged it into my ps5 and it instantly worked. Now i can throw supers around in the middle of my combos like nobodys business and ill never go back now.
@@craptastrophe521 interestingly enough, that's extremely common. If you don't have a patent on something you "invented, " the likelihood that a competitor improves on the design or price point is pretty high.
I just recently ordered a custom leverless from Ultra Arcade in Europe. They're decently priced and let you make a good number of changes without charging you any extra. I made a goofy layout with 4 thumb buttons, so I can't wait for it to arrive!
Thanks for this, I am from EU too and wanted to try leverless - but the majority of options I found were way too expensive. UA looks like a great way to get started!
I recently got the Victrix Pro FS-12 and I love it. It was a bit much cost wise but I figured if I was going to get one for my first one I was going to go all out on one. The only thing I disliked about it was how much of a pain it was to switch out the buttons but that was only a one time problem (hopefully). I like the weight of it I like feeling like it is not going to move around when I get a bit carried away hitting buttons. I will never go back to a stick it is so much more comfortable on my hands since I am a bit older now I feel it when I play on a stick for long hours at a time.
Got interested in getting a leverless, tried through keyboard and to me its definitely something i want to try more, only problem is how tight a keyboard is so definitely excited to get one to get access to arcade buttons so it feels better in my hands for my buttons
Another option, if you're the handy sort, you can make your own! This is what I did because none of the options on the market at the time really fit what I was looking for. All told it was about $190 for me in a chassis, 16 top of the line Qanba buttons, bulk wire, some spade terminals, and the 24mm and 30mm drill bits. Put it all together with a Brook UFB I already had in my stick and got my perfect leverless controller for much less than what a normal Hitbox cost, but with significantly better buttons and a layout that fits me way better.
I also built my own hitbox but it cost me way more because i live in Australia. I would still say its worth it, i built mine from wood with a clear plastic layer on top so i could show off some cool art. It was an absolute blast to put together.
I've made a gp-2040 leverless out of a cardboard box, handwired mechanical keyswitches, and a raspberry pi pico. Cost me $30-40 in total parts, though that price gets bumped up if you don't already have access to a soldering station
I recently got the Haute Pad t16 and i must say I am impressed with the overall quality. The buttons feel nice and smooth. The fact that the RGB has a built in layout to mimic the SNK cabinets is pretty cool as well.
I really like the Razer Kitsune. I started with the Victrix. I liked it. But it is big and heavy. Razer is smaller, thinner and lighter. The action buttons (k and p) are a bit bigger but they are quieter.
I bought a Haute42 T16 around 2 months ago. 80€ and this is my favorite despite having and RAP Hayabusa IV Switch/PC and a Qanba Crystal. But since I started playing Tekken I prefer stick over the T16 for it, so it's really up to preference depending on the game. Button press ASMR, my favorite!
Just got the Haute42 M16 metal black, great build quality, and works perfectly. Worth the price. Especially as somene who wont really go to tournaments for now and just wanted a entry level controller.
I finally switched from Stick to leverless and went with the Haute42 T16 and am loving it so far. It was about $110 after getting the Magicboots converter with it. Works amazing for Tekken 8 and SF6
I have a ScrubTier BentoBox v2. It's just one guy making them, but the built quality is amazing, and much higher than most of the other micro-brand leverless controllers I've used. It's also one of very few made in the UK. Great customer service too.
Thank you Sajam I used this video to decide which one I should get. Got the Razer Kitsune because I value the official PS5 support and it looks like a nice large sturdy option. Pricy but I don't want my controller dying on me in tournament or disconnect woes. Cheers.
As a crusty old dude in his mid 40s I've started to notice over the past few years that my hands hurt a lot using controller for fighting games. I did a bunch of research and ended up building my own button box with the Brook PS4+ audio board. While I'm still old and crusty, I can now keep playing because leverless controllers are so damn comfortable. Once you get over the funky direction layout brain fuck it's actually really easy. But then again I play charge characters and as you say, the leverless makes buffering a dream.
Sehawei is a great starting point for leverless controllers. 57 bucks for a snack box variation 76 bucks for a bigger variation Both acrylic both can have custom artwork. Picking one up myself and will compare it to my RAP4 shortly after.
I’m so Kitsune-pilled it’s crazy. Has my favorite buttons to press and feels great in my lap. But I definitely still take my Snackbox micro out for spins regularly as a backup/if I don’t plan on registering and just want something to have on me in case I play some friendlies.
I started fighting games on the Mayflash F500 flat. I like it a lot as it's really easy to customize and replace parts. It's good, I like the buttons, software and the fact that the build looks like good quality. The only issue is that if one day I go to locals, I'll probably have to buy a thinner one. This thing is big
Number one reason I don't want leverless is the weird ergonomics where the hands overlap. If it was just more spaced out then 100% I'd be interested. And yes, I'm aware you can "use both hands for special input tech" but I don't care about S-tier tech as much as I care about being comfortable for 2+ hours at a time. Like is there ANY leverless where they just put the left and right hand inputs farther apart? Please!?!!
If you are sitting in a chair without armrests, the way you have to bend your arms inwards to rest on your lap make the slightly rotated inward button layout the most ergonomic since there is basically no devication, pronation, extension or flexion.
I recently got a leverless GameCube Controller from a company called Gram and the precision is unbelievable. And because of the firmware on the board, I can swap to keyboard or hit box modes very easily.
@ChrisStriker yeah!!! Smashbox, B0XX, Frame1, GRAM (the one I bought) and plenty more!! GRAM is currently celebrating 1 year anniversary and doing 20% site wide
@ChrisStriker Yeah!! There are a bunch of them. SmashBox, B0XX, Frame1, GRAM ( the one I have) and a bunch more. GRAM is celebrating it's year so if you are in the market for one or their SLIM FGC( hitbox style leverless) it's worth looking at.
So there is a Mixbox that I had my eye on For a while called the MojuBox. It's a 3d printed Modular Hybrid that let's you swap the stick for hitbox or Mixbox if you like Keyboard style too .
That is CRAZY. Part of me wants to ask you a ton of questions about what your button configs have looked like for all the different FGs you’ve played, and part of me wants to pour vodka directly onto my eyeballs. You actually live up to your username, man. That is some really rock-and-roll s***.
@@deadfr0g YT didn't notify me of the reply so sorry for 5 month late reply. BBCF I have Z is RC macro, L is barrier, R is OD activate, B is A, Y is B, A is C, and X is D. For gear I do: Y is P, B is K, A is S, X is HS, R is FD macro, Z is dust, and L is dash macro in strive. For Skullgirls I do: Y is light punch, B is light kick, A is medium kick, X is medium punch, Z is heavy kick, and R is heavy punch. I have to use steam input to mess with the stick and trigger sensitivity.
@@life-destiny1196 I replied to a comment above about my button layouts for different games. I have gotten to celestial in strive a few times with Happy Chaos back when I played more in season 2. Only other thing I have done of any note is gotten 65th at genesis twice (in rivals 🙃) back before covid
I got the Haute42 mini board, it's all keyboard keys. 35 bucks from amazon been loving it with tekken 8. Especially for that price. The portability with steam deck for lunch time in lab is phenomenal.
I have hitbox, snack box, and kitsune. I feel like the kitsune is the most comfortable to play in general. I agree with Sajam if you use any long enough you’ll get use to it so it’s not a big deal. My personal favorite is the kitsune, but in terms of practicality the snack box is good since it’s easy to replace parts. Razer does not sell parts, so you may have to contact support and work it out that way if something breaks. I hope they change that because it’s a bit frustrating.
I mainly use a Jasenscustoms stick, which uses the same chassis as the leverless, and I like it a lot. It’s the right size and weight for me, and the aluminum accents let you make some neat color combos. It is _expensive_ though, and since the chassis is sized for levers it’s thicker than a leverless needs to be.
"All of them have things that are easier or harder..." Thank you. So many people that don't own a leverless talk about it like it's a cheat code to execution.
I was thinking about getting a lever less controller for a while but I didn't want to invest the money and end up not liking it. One day I saw a video where someone said that playing lever less is just keyboard with fewer keys. I said OK, bet. So I took out an old $30 mechanical keyboard I wasn't using. Took off all the key caps other than the ones I wanted to use and played SF6 with it. I loved it a lot. I used it for a while till I realized I wanted to go to some locals in my area but I wanted to make sure I could play with a controller I'm used to playing with. So I bought a snack box micro. The one that is usable with PS5 was a bit pricey for what I was looking to spend on a controller, but I did it anyway and I'm glade I did. I love this thing. I got the one where its clear and you can put any artwork in it. I just ordered a printout piece of 2XKO that I put together in photoshop. Cannot wait for that game. I do still have my Key board controller I rigged together if you want me to send you a pic of it.
Main reason i switched to box was portability of all things. I'm a college student on a pretty big campus. I got an mpress nano recently which has withstood being tossed in my backpack and going everywhere
I got a Haute S13 because i didn't want to drop 200+ dollars on my first leverless. I played on it for the first time last night and it seems nice so far. The buttons are much quieter than my Qanba and sound like a mechanical keyboard. My only complaint so far is that it has no rubber feet on the bottom so it can slide around on a desk quite easily, but that's a very inexpensive problem to fix. It's also reasonably comfortable to play on my lap.
Furin arcade FRS is super nice and completely modular so you can alternate from stick to lever-less easy. A bit pricey but amazing build and great company. And Jony Fraze FTW customs are really nice too.
I LOVE that the Haute42 series has WASD standard, because using up as a thumb button doesn't fit me for a game like Tekken. Having that kind of flexibility of choice pushes this series to the top for me.
I personally just bought a Kitsune because to fix my current stick I would need to spend the same price for it as all of the parts. I hope to replace the buttons on it with Keychron low profile switches.
I picked up a Snackbox microXL about a month before SF6 landed and fell in love with it pretty much straight away. It's PS5 compatible out the box, way less stress on my old man hands, solidly built and much easier to cart around to places. Big recommended.
If you're thinking of getting a leverless, I strongly recommend getting the T16 (amazing value), or another model that has at least 16 buttons. For one thing, most people including me have a hard time doing 2x QCF from the 2P side. Because of this, I actually use the additional thumb button (bottom left) as a second down input, and it helps when I'm trying to do the input really fast on reaction, as opposed to using the middle and ring fingers of my left hand. You might not need all the extra buttons either, but it's better to have too many than not enough. Also, it's good to be aware of the button sizes, shapes, and how they're spaced. The standard sizes might be too small if you have big hands. In my case, I have small hands, but I actually don't mind the oversized buttons on the T16 since they're clumped fairly close together anyway. The shape and spacing could affect certain techniques too. For example, it's kind of hard to slide across the directional buttons on the T16 due to the size and shape of the buttons, but it's absolutely fine on the Fightbox F1 (which I also have) or others that use Sanwa or more standard buttons.
I use a squidbox micro, compatible on all consoles (I’m on PS5) and sturdy with the metal case. Razer was dragging their feet on releasing their officially licensed leverless.
Tbh I have hand pain so playing on leverless boxes made of plastic or wood was making things worse so I had to switch to boxes made of paper as it gives a bit of amortisation
Sometimes which controller you prefer depends on character too. I find the mishimas way more comfortable on keyboard but still use pad for most other characters in Tekken
Razer recently released the SOCD firmware they added 3 settings 4 if you count the PC exclusive no SOCD setting. They added down + up =up, last input priority, and first input priority. Those last two are def not tournament legal but it's kinda cool to see nonetheless
The Haute42 is a good entry stick for anyone just because of the price point. The firmware stuff can be daunting and tedious, but you're saving ~60% compared to the cost of other lever-less even if you have to buy a brook converter. Personally, I own a Snackbox Micro /w PS5 support and that's just because I was at Evo when they were selling them while I had the epiphany that I no longer want to lug around a ~13lb arcade stick which also takes up a lot of my carry-on luggage space.
I don't exactly have small hands, and I would definitely appreciate something that's supposed to sit still on my lap having some weight to it, so I think the MPress would be nice for me if I ever decided to take the dive and go to a tourney. As for PS5 compatibility, I'm not exactly afraid of tinkering with my tech, and the whole mid-tournament update thing isn't something I think would happen often. My only gripe is the lack of some kind of non-slip base, but it's nothing a rubber mat and some glue can't fix. The nice thing about these kinds of controllers are how easy they are to personalize, the overall shape is way simpler than your typical pad. The hardest part might be finding the right adhesive for the job. EDIT: I just got to the sound test and I like the MPress the best here too. It's perfect.
I ordered myself a custom AFS leverless case that ive used for about a year and i love it to death. Recently though, i stumbled on an Akuma Kitsune at one of the Razer stores so i bought it.... I have been loving the Kitsune ever since i got it and i dunno if i ever go back to a big fightstick again.
I’d say the kitsune is bigger , button wise , unless you had a shiokenstar panel then the action buttons would be 30mm while the movement would be 24mm
Kitsune user here, and I'll probably never go back to an arcade stick. My inputs and execution are so much sharper with this thing it's unreal. No hate towards arcade sticks, they're great, but with the characters I play leverless is so much better for me.
I have a Hitbox. It now has a converter that you can buy for PS5 play. Biggest drawback is the proprietary cord it uses. Might look into a different leverless simply for that fact. It does the job for now. I do like the beefy-ness of it although I had to switch the buttons out. They felt too soft for my tastes.
I hate the base layout for leverless controllers, the way I have to hold my wrists makes them hurt pretty quickly. I'm a big fan of the Mavercade spacebar style ones, they have a lot more space between left and right hand, and expand the jump button like a spacebar so you can still hit it with either hand. I'd love to hear from anyone else if there are other less cramped options
I made mine using a surplus army ammo box. Outlined my natural finger positions with my wrists/arms relaxed, drilled the holes, added the buttons, mounted a brook universal board inside, done. Built it over five years ago and still love it to this day. Also quite economical (~$80 for all the parts and borrowing my dad's power drill).
Something I don't see people mention when talking about switching controllers is the fun factor. It's only really worth it to swap to a different controller type if you think it's going to be fun for you to use. In my case I always saw Mad Catz sticks in Gamestop as a kid, and always wanted one but never got one. That nostalgia made it really fun for me to use, which made it significantly easier to get past the learning barrier of a new device, and it made me play fighting games more because it. If you're having fun on your Xbox controller, or DS4/5, but you're just thinking about getting a competitive edge, I would only recommend swapping if you have a specific thing in mind that you want out of a new controller. Like easier 720s, or Charge motions, or Electrics in Tekken or something like that. No controller change is going to give you a "general" advantage.
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After much thought, I think the DK Bongos might be the right controller for me. Thanks Stage Ham :) 👍
• The main advantage of playing on pad is that you can hold it behind your head whenever you’re feeling silly.
• The main advantage of playing on stick is that you can lift it _by_ the joystick to show other people how you’re cool and don’t give a f***.
• The main advantage of playing on leverless is that, if you’re ever at a tournament on a snowy mountainside and suddenly there’s a massive avalanche, you can use the controller as a makeshift snowboard and ride to safety.
All great options, IMO.
I'm sorry but lifting your stick by the joystick is insane behavior
The main advantage of a joystick is that they tend to be heavy and you can use it for self defense. Obviously.
It's why it's called an "arcade" stick. 😆
I genuinely prefer retro games on stick and more modern games on hitbox
I have a hitbox already but I wanna grab a stick so I can switch between them for each game and sometimes even characters (istg Makoto 3s feels clunky on hitbox and I don’t know why)
Leverless is also good if like putting things away in bags :)
thank you, i'm sure i'll find one of these useful someday, even after i stop playing fighting games
As a person who mostly plays pad and stick, I got the Haute42 T16 a week ago and its really sick. Good option if you're interested in leverless and willing to spend not that much on one. The other Haute42 options are also cheaper than the T16.
would it be okay if i bound multiple buttons to 8? what’re the rules on that
I keep hearing it kinda pales in comparison to sanwa and the like, but it's not like sanwa buttons are 3x better than them so yeah good mid price option
got the T16 recently too, its surprising how cheap it is with its really good quality and firmware, i thought i was getting scammed but no its really a good leverless for people who don't wanna pay too much or live in the EU
also buttons are easy to replace so general maintenance costs are pretty low, if you ever need it in the future
Same, and it was pretty much the same price in Europe from Amazon (Branded as sehawei) when it has historically been hard to find affordable leverless controllers in EU. Really nice leverless especially for the price and the gp2040 configuration options are super handy.
Haute42 has to by far be the best on a budget. Got the G13 for like $40 and it feels closer to $60 or $70.
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Hey, I was a little bored of my hitbox, so just I bought a T13 from your store! it will arrive in 2 weeks (Im from Spain). Looking fordwar to it!!
Ayy I just bought an M-Plus.
Yo también soy de España y estaba por comprarme el mismo que tu, por donde lo compraste? Yo lo estoy viendo por Aliexpress y en Amazon y no se si voy a arriesgarme por Aliexpress, ya me dirás por donde lo has comprado por que no estoy seguro por donde es la mejor opción@@TheJavimontoro
All new micros have PS5 native support since they upgraded their PCBs late last year!
Came to say this, it’s what settled my decision to buy one as my daily driver leverless.
Yeah, would be worth pinning this. It's what pushed me to go with my Snackbox a few months ago.
yeah, although i think they also raised their price somewhat significantly when they did that. i grabbed one for like 300/350 if i remember correctly and the compat is great but it isn't quite the budget option that it used to be
@@FiestaDeUnoyeah. If you buy an out of the box snack box today, it should have ps5 support
Definitely placed an order because I found this out as well. It’s even better than it was before lol
Note from someone who uses the MPress: do not buy the first version mpress if you see a listing for it. the one that has a regular type c port soldered onto the board. the usb port is not very strong and liable to wear out and start dropping your connection frequently and it sucks. I had this happen to me and so I ended up having to replace the main board and the issue came back after a year or so. The MPress V2 and any of the special editions for events have all solved this problem and are great
That button sound bit really lit up my neurons. So crispy
If you do already have a leverless with the types of switches the Snack Box Micro uses, I'd highly recommend trying out the pink, 25-gram switches. As long as you don't have problems with accidental inputs, the light switches really make it feel much more responsive. Plus, it's only a dollar per switch, so if you don't like it, you can put the default ones back on.
I got my first leverless controller yesterday, A Haute 42 G16. It is small but still comfortable, there is a learning curve but I already feel the potential. Great buy, fast shipping to the Netherlands (a week)
I'd say the two biggest things for leverless are knowing if you want keyboard switches or arcade buttons and form factor.
If you don't know, go for switches, they can be replaced more easily with more options, in terms of size ask yourself if your cool with sitting exclusively with your legs together while you play.
I want buttons but don't want to spend a fortune so I'm hoping switches are fine. The replacing thing depends - T16 haute for example has almost no options
@@destroyermaker honestly main thing is just finding the right switches and button caps for you. I switched over to a snackbox micro from my fullsize snackbox for most things recently because its easier to just pull out on a whim when I want to play and with the right switches and convex button caps I was able to get it to a very similar feel to the arcade buttons on my full size. Main things you want to look out for are the switch type (clicky, tactile or linear) and the operating force (how much force is needed when pushing the button)
Good to know thanks. I'm coming from hitbox/sanwa to Kailh Choc v2 switches@@ZariLutus. I hear they're not the best but I guess still plenty good value for the money
@@ZariLutus Almost all leverless controllers have micro switches instead of normal keyboard switches, which means 90% of the switches you can find online will be incompatible.
My fiancé got me the Razer Kitsune as an early birthday gift recently, and it's honestly amazing! Plugged it up to my PC and it just worked out of the box; Didn't have to fiddle with Drivers or any Softwares.
When not playing Fighting Games, I've been unironically using it for Fortnite Festival (that Guitar Hero/Rock Band gamemode). Haha.
The kitsune is my first leverless and i'm happy with it. it really looks and feels like a "pc gaming" accessory more than like a specialized fighting game controller. i sit it on my desk and it matches everything else that's rolling with RGB.
You beat my ass years ago on MK never forgot. I added you on steam, and you told me about a book, playing to win by David Sirlin. I appreciate the games and the knowledge, hope youre doing well!
agreed. just got my chun li kitsune after using snack box micro and default hitbox. all have been great but i love the kitsune.
@@minari8076 nice I got the cammy one and love it as well. Idk it just feels so good and comfortable to play with. No more thumb or wrist strains
I just got my snackbox micro the other day! Super excited to be learning it
It's not going to help you. Way to waste all that money.
@@intellectic9155 I hope your day gets better
@@intellectic9155youre poor
@@intellectic9155why would you even say that?
cause its true@@trikronika
The button sounds on leverless controllers sound so nice.
Getting a leverless is the best thing that has happened to my fighting gamer facet. It was really a gamechanger, a lifechanger: not only my wrists and thumb stop hurting, but my inputs got way more clear and I become able to do hard combos I have never dreamed of before. Pad is almost ok but never enough; stick was an awful, absolute waste of time, money and spirit; leverless transformed me in a true FGC tribe member.
How is your experience with half circles once u got used to it ? I honestly feel like they’re easy once u get used to them. To what extent do u believe that half circles are better on stick?
i personally found half circles easier on pad than stick or lever, until getting lever less and it's night and day to me
Just bought the razor whatever it’s called, and man it feels so flipping good! I’m 6’2” with big ole hands and it feels like the perfect size! Excited to get better with it!
personally i use keyboard
I'm doing that too, but I'm worried that I'm gonna break it.
that's how I started out, then I upgraded to a hitbox once I got comfortable with playing fighting games on a keyboard
@@michaeljesse5290I was the same but it was when I had the money that I switched.
Based
Same, i broke my button so i play on keyboard
For anyone looking to try leverless moving from stick or pad, a couple notes from when I started using a Snackbox Micro:
-Specific to my case but if you are a more physical player that moves you may notice your leverless sliding on your lap, would recommend trying to be more deliberate and less aggressive with your movement inputs.
-YOU DON’T HAVE TO SIT DIRECTLY IN FRONT OF THE SCREEN THERE IS NO STICK GATE TO WORRY ABOUT JUST KEEP GOOD POSTURE
-practice tks, half circles, and this is an ask, but full circles as well. For full circles specifically I recommend trying to hide them behind long lasting normals until you succeed, moving on to a faster normal, and repeating the process.
-Sound is key when learning directional inputs. Oftentimes when I’m playing with friends I am literally listening to my movement inputs coming off my Snackbox (specifically for Jubei installs in BBCF lol) cause I’ve learned what it sounds like to do the input right.
ngl tho leverless is my favorite way to play having dabbled with all three, would rec
Thank goodness Haute42 is here, they're the people's champ putting out less than 100$ controllers out there.
Every SINGLE one of these should be under 100. The cases have no weight, no metal machining and there’s no lever. What the hell are you paying for?
Just ordered my first leverless and its a Haute42. I hope I can make the switch from arcade stick to leverless without too much pain.
*Update* - only took a week to get fully used to it. Will never go back!
You're literally just paying for the parts, the shipping, the brand, and the firmware that allows ps5 functionality. That's why the ps5 hitbox is $100 more than the ps4 compatible one
A lot of these are very pricey outside of the US for shippong reasons, as someone from the UK, of you want one I could reccomend looking into either the okiboard from okiboard arcades (very similar to an mpress, uses brook boards so you can use built in ps5 compatible versions but need firmware, or use a converter.) or furin arcades for a very cuatomisable but pricier experience.
(Edit: I only have used the okiboard but its very good, similar soze and weight to a laptop so reasonably portable, I like the buttons and it stays in place pretty well on my lap)
I got the Haute from aliexpress for £50. Arrived in under 2 weeks.
I second the okiboard been through quite a few tournaments with it and while yes it's fairly big it sits nicely on the lap and doesn't shift from the plexiglass bottom
Haute42 has free shipping to canada fwiw
I like my okiboard, with the caveat that it is the most insane fingerprint skin collecting monster of a peripheral I have ever owned
That and I would not mind more responsive, shorter actuation lower force switches (or, one day, rapid trigger style things like from wooting)
Hautepads are really cheap in Europe at least, they are on Amazon too
Own the Kitsune and Micro, Kitsune for bigger hands and long playtime. Micro is Light and easy to carry, the LED can be annoying specially if you don't have a PC to change the settings. love both.
Got the Haute T16. It's amazing for that price tag.
just ordered one a few days ago
comments like yours made me buy one XD
the more stripped down granola arcade model, the trailmix, is the one i got and its pretty solid! it's like $60, nice and small, a good starter controller to test whether you like leverless. battle beaver customs also makes a conversion kit that makes the ps4/ps5 dpads into individual buttons instead of a single pad inside which made my inputs much cleaner, great for when my wrists are getting sore from learning leverless.
I've got the Haute42 t16 and it's incredibly comfortable. I do worry about taking it out since the plexi isn't super resilient, so I'd either get a smaller (cheaper) one or the metal option for tournaments
Tournaments often seem to force lapplay for pools so I still recommend the T16. I'm just looking for a good case for it.
I ended up liking the Haute more than my snack box. The concave buttons weren't doing it for me, and I sorta liked having the whole button outside the enclosure compared to what was going on with the Snackbox. Something about the default setup of the Haute madeit way easier or me to it half circles without missing the last ring finger back input for some reason too. Just my personal experience with it.
@@Vespyr_ if you find one let me know please!
@@pazeliastra I got you. :)
On the Haute controllers, can you map the M1 macro button to up? That's a deal maker for me, since I prefer WASD layout!
I have 3 different Haute42 controllers. I love them all.
I really love my mavercade keebbrawler-01 modded with robin switches (most people would prefer the default red ones).
I love the space it has for resting my hands and the layout of buttons. The huge jump button is much appreciated.
Another advantage i feel from playing on stick is that pressing multiple buttons at the same time, like RCs or Custom Combos, feels way easier and more natural than on pad
Rc is literally one button on pad though?
My fave go-to is Raiden in KOFXIII. He has a Dropkick special that requires you to charge it by holding down one of the kick buttons, which makes it really hard to do on pad but is trivial on fightstick
Mpress gamer here! I'd tried several all buttons prior but it was really a game changer for me. The larger buttons are just amazing.
Something to note for anyone interested, the Evo Mpress is like, 2X heavier than other mpress models. I personally don't have a lot of issue with them sliding in my lap but the normal mpress's are like 6 lb and the evo has to be over 10 minimum.
damn that midwest comment... my favorite part of my snackbox micro is it fits in my pocket/hoodie pouch lol
I got the razer kitsune as my first fightpad and i absolutely love it, i plugged it into my ps5 and it instantly worked. Now i can throw supers around in the middle of my combos like nobodys business and ill never go back now.
Damn how far weve gone that hitbox was not even shown.
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They priced themselves out the market.
It's funny that the inventors of the leverless also made the worst leverless
@@craptastrophe521 interestingly enough, that's extremely common. If you don't have a patent on something you "invented, " the likelihood that a competitor improves on the design or price point is pretty high.
I just recently ordered a custom leverless from Ultra Arcade in Europe. They're decently priced and let you make a good number of changes without charging you any extra. I made a goofy layout with 4 thumb buttons, so I can't wait for it to arrive!
Thanks for this, I am from EU too and wanted to try leverless - but the majority of options I found were way too expensive. UA looks like a great way to get started!
I recently got the Victrix Pro FS-12 and I love it. It was a bit much cost wise but I figured if I was going to get one for my first one I was going to go all out on one. The only thing I disliked about it was how much of a pain it was to switch out the buttons but that was only a one time problem (hopefully). I like the weight of it I like feeling like it is not going to move around when I get a bit carried away hitting buttons. I will never go back to a stick it is so much more comfortable on my hands since I am a bit older now I feel it when I play on a stick for long hours at a time.
Got interested in getting a leverless, tried through keyboard and to me its definitely something i want to try more, only problem is how tight a keyboard is so definitely excited to get one to get access to arcade buttons so it feels better in my hands for my buttons
Another option, if you're the handy sort, you can make your own! This is what I did because none of the options on the market at the time really fit what I was looking for. All told it was about $190 for me in a chassis, 16 top of the line Qanba buttons, bulk wire, some spade terminals, and the 24mm and 30mm drill bits. Put it all together with a Brook UFB I already had in my stick and got my perfect leverless controller for much less than what a normal Hitbox cost, but with significantly better buttons and a layout that fits me way better.
I also built my own hitbox but it cost me way more because i live in Australia. I would still say its worth it, i built mine from wood with a clear plastic layer on top so i could show off some cool art. It was an absolute blast to put together.
I've made a gp-2040 leverless out of a cardboard box, handwired mechanical keyswitches, and a raspberry pi pico. Cost me $30-40 in total parts, though that price gets bumped up if you don't already have access to a soldering station
I recently got the Haute Pad t16 and i must say I am impressed with the overall quality. The buttons feel nice and smooth. The fact that the RGB has a built in layout to mimic the SNK cabinets is pretty cool as well.
Hearing you say that they're all good really helps. I feel much less compelled to spend a lot of money. $80 is an absolute steal.
The Kitsune now does have adjustable SOCD's. Nihongogamer has a video on it!
sajam seems like he would be very understanding if i was accidentally fucking up his day
I really like the Razer Kitsune. I started with the Victrix. I liked it. But it is big and heavy. Razer is smaller, thinner and lighter. The action buttons (k and p) are a bit bigger but they are quieter.
I bought a Haute42 T16 around 2 months ago. 80€ and this is my favorite despite having and RAP Hayabusa IV Switch/PC and a Qanba Crystal. But since I started playing Tekken I prefer stick over the T16 for it, so it's really up to preference depending on the game.
Button press ASMR, my favorite!
Just got the Haute42 M16 metal black, great build quality, and works perfectly. Worth the price. Especially as somene who wont really go to tournaments for now and just wanted a entry level controller.
I finally switched from Stick to leverless and went with the Haute42 T16 and am loving it so far.
It was about $110 after getting the Magicboots converter with it. Works amazing for Tekken 8 and SF6
I really wish more GP-2040CE controllers came with a built-in port for magic boots USB passthrough like the Haute42 ones do.
I have a ScrubTier BentoBox v2. It's just one guy making them, but the built quality is amazing, and much higher than most of the other micro-brand leverless controllers I've used. It's also one of very few made in the UK. Great customer service too.
Hey if you're experiencing hand pain, look into how pianists position their hands above their keys
Thank you Sajam I used this video to decide which one I should get. Got the Razer Kitsune because I value the official PS5 support and it looks like a nice large sturdy option. Pricy but I don't want my controller dying on me in tournament or disconnect woes. Cheers.
As a crusty old dude in his mid 40s I've started to notice over the past few years that my hands hurt a lot using controller for fighting games. I did a bunch of research and ended up building my own button box with the Brook PS4+ audio board. While I'm still old and crusty, I can now keep playing because leverless controllers are so damn comfortable.
Once you get over the funky direction layout brain fuck it's actually really easy. But then again I play charge characters and as you say, the leverless makes buffering a dream.
more power to ya mate
Sehawei is a great starting point for leverless controllers.
57 bucks for a snack box variation
76 bucks for a bigger variation
Both acrylic both can have custom artwork.
Picking one up myself and will compare it to my RAP4 shortly after.
I’m so Kitsune-pilled it’s crazy. Has my favorite buttons to press and feels great in my lap. But I definitely still take my Snackbox micro out for spins regularly as a backup/if I don’t plan on registering and just want something to have on me in case I play some friendlies.
Keebrawler by mavercade in Canada goes pretty hard.
I started fighting games on the Mayflash F500 flat. I like it a lot as it's really easy to customize and replace parts. It's good, I like the buttons, software and the fact that the build looks like good quality. The only issue is that if one day I go to locals, I'll probably have to buy a thinner one. This thing is big
just ordered my t12 from haute42, been on arcade stick for so long but have been itching to try one. thanks for the information!!
It's cool to see your take on these devices!
I’ve played on every type of controller. Leverless is by far the best for me. However I also do love playing with a fight stick as well
I bet you like playing with that stick. *wink
Number one reason I don't want leverless is the weird ergonomics where the hands overlap. If it was just more spaced out then 100% I'd be interested. And yes, I'm aware you can "use both hands for special input tech" but I don't care about S-tier tech as much as I care about being comfortable for 2+ hours at a time.
Like is there ANY leverless where they just put the left and right hand inputs farther apart? Please!?!!
If you are sitting in a chair without armrests, the way you have to bend your arms inwards to rest on your lap make the slightly rotated inward button layout the most ergonomic since there is basically no devication, pronation, extension or flexion.
Theres several actually that feature more spaced out design. They are generally by custom builders so they are around the $160+ range.
I recently got a leverless GameCube Controller from a company called Gram and the precision is unbelievable. And because of the firmware on the board, I can swap to keyboard or hit box modes very easily.
Leverless control for Gamecube?! I'm interested to see it because it's curious to see a leverless for Gamecube
@ChrisStriker yeah!!! Smashbox, B0XX, Frame1, GRAM (the one I bought) and plenty more!! GRAM is currently celebrating 1 year anniversary and doing 20% site wide
@ChrisStriker Yeah!! There are a bunch of them. SmashBox, B0XX, Frame1, GRAM ( the one I have) and a bunch more. GRAM is celebrating it's year so if you are in the market for one or their SLIM FGC( hitbox style leverless) it's worth looking at.
@@Str8EdgeJesse I need to see it, do you have the page to see it?
@@ChrisStriker They are under GRAMControllers on the bird. You'll be able to find everything from there!
So there is a Mixbox that I had my eye on For a while called the MojuBox. It's a 3d printed Modular Hybrid that let's you swap the stick for hitbox or Mixbox if you like Keyboard style too .
I play all my fighting games on a gamecube controller I've had since 2004. So far only BBCF gives me hand pain
That is CRAZY. Part of me wants to ask you a ton of questions about what your button configs have looked like for all the different FGs you’ve played, and part of me wants to pour vodka directly onto my eyeballs.
You actually live up to your username, man. That is some really rock-and-roll s***.
As a guy who played smash for a decade: literally how?! impressive if you got anywhere doing that
@@deadfr0g YT didn't notify me of the reply so sorry for 5 month late reply. BBCF I have Z is RC macro, L is barrier, R is OD activate, B is A, Y is B, A is C, and X is D. For gear I do: Y is P, B is K, A is S, X is HS, R is FD macro, Z is dust, and L is dash macro in strive. For Skullgirls I do: Y is light punch, B is light kick, A is medium kick, X is medium punch, Z is heavy kick, and R is heavy punch. I have to use steam input to mess with the stick and trigger sensitivity.
@@RockAndRoll805 Brother, that is so cool and unhinged!! Your setup is straight-up myth material. Thank you so much for the reply.
@@life-destiny1196 I replied to a comment above about my button layouts for different games. I have gotten to celestial in strive a few times with Happy Chaos back when I played more in season 2. Only other thing I have done of any note is gotten 65th at genesis twice (in rivals 🙃) back before covid
I got the Haute42 mini board, it's all keyboard keys. 35 bucks from amazon been loving it with tekken 8. Especially for that price. The portability with steam deck for lunch time in lab is phenomenal.
I have hitbox, snack box, and kitsune. I feel like the kitsune is the most comfortable to play in general. I agree with Sajam if you use any long enough you’ll get use to it so it’s not a big deal. My personal favorite is the kitsune, but in terms of practicality the snack box is good since it’s easy to replace parts. Razer does not sell parts, so you may have to contact support and work it out that way if something breaks. I hope they change that because it’s a bit frustrating.
I mainly use a Jasenscustoms stick, which uses the same chassis as the leverless, and I like it a lot. It’s the right size and weight for me, and the aluminum accents let you make some neat color combos. It is _expensive_ though, and since the chassis is sized for levers it’s thicker than a leverless needs to be.
"All of them have things that are easier or harder..."
Thank you. So many people that don't own a leverless talk about it like it's a cheat code to execution.
I was thinking about getting a lever less controller for a while but I didn't want to invest the money and end up not liking it. One day I saw a video where someone said that playing lever less is just keyboard with fewer keys. I said OK, bet. So I took out an old $30 mechanical keyboard I wasn't using. Took off all the key caps other than the ones I wanted to use and played SF6 with it. I loved it a lot. I used it for a while till I realized I wanted to go to some locals in my area but I wanted to make sure I could play with a controller I'm used to playing with. So I bought a snack box micro. The one that is usable with PS5 was a bit pricey for what I was looking to spend on a controller, but I did it anyway and I'm glade I did. I love this thing. I got the one where its clear and you can put any artwork in it. I just ordered a printout piece of 2XKO that I put together in photoshop. Cannot wait for that game. I do still have my Key board controller I rigged together if you want me to send you a pic of it.
Main reason i switched to box was portability of all things. I'm a college student on a pretty big campus. I got an mpress nano recently which has withstood being tossed in my backpack and going everywhere
Bro did not just said that the only peripheral where you can make 5 frames 720 motions is bad for half circles
I got a Haute S13 because i didn't want to drop 200+ dollars on my first leverless. I played on it for the first time last night and it seems nice so far. The buttons are much quieter than my Qanba and sound like a mechanical keyboard. My only complaint so far is that it has no rubber feet on the bottom so it can slide around on a desk quite easily, but that's a very inexpensive problem to fix. It's also reasonably comfortable to play on my lap.
Furin arcade FRS is super nice and completely modular so you can alternate from stick to lever-less easy. A bit pricey but amazing build and great company. And Jony Fraze FTW customs are really nice too.
MPress and Razer Kitsune (since they updated it to allow SOCD changes) are my favorite leverless controllers.
I LOVE that the Haute42 series has WASD standard, because using up as a thumb button doesn't fit me for a game like Tekken. Having that kind of flexibility of choice pushes this series to the top for me.
Seconding this!
you cannot rebind the thumb button for down?
I travel full-time, just got into Tekken and I'm considering getting a tiny hitbox that I can fit in my luggage so this is very helpful. Thanks.
I personally just bought a Kitsune because to fix my current stick I would need to spend the same price for it as all of the parts. I hope to replace the buttons on it with Keychron low profile switches.
Are those compatible with the Kitsune?
@@Ragnarok786 They are as long as you get the low profile switches. NihongoGamer has a video about the Kitsune where he does just that.
You’re the man! 🤘🏼
I have a Kitsune and I'm thoroughly amazed how quiet it is even though Razer doesn't advertise that as a feature.
I picked up a Snackbox microXL about a month before SF6 landed and fell in love with it pretty much straight away. It's PS5 compatible out the box, way less stress on my old man hands, solidly built and much easier to cart around to places. Big recommended.
If you're thinking of getting a leverless, I strongly recommend getting the T16 (amazing value), or another model that has at least 16 buttons. For one thing, most people including me have a hard time doing 2x QCF from the 2P side. Because of this, I actually use the additional thumb button (bottom left) as a second down input, and it helps when I'm trying to do the input really fast on reaction, as opposed to using the middle and ring fingers of my left hand. You might not need all the extra buttons either, but it's better to have too many than not enough.
Also, it's good to be aware of the button sizes, shapes, and how they're spaced. The standard sizes might be too small if you have big hands. In my case, I have small hands, but I actually don't mind the oversized buttons on the T16 since they're clumped fairly close together anyway. The shape and spacing could affect certain techniques too. For example, it's kind of hard to slide across the directional buttons on the T16 due to the size and shape of the buttons, but it's absolutely fine on the Fightbox F1 (which I also have) or others that use Sanwa or more standard buttons.
I use a squidbox micro, compatible on all consoles (I’m on PS5) and sturdy with the metal case. Razer was dragging their feet on releasing their officially licensed leverless.
Tbh I have hand pain so playing on leverless boxes made of plastic or wood was making things worse so I had to switch to boxes made of paper as it gives a bit of amortisation
I use a keyboard wrist rest when i play with my leverless controllers. Helps a lot with any pain ive had in the past.
Sometimes which controller you prefer depends on character too. I find the mishimas way more comfortable on keyboard but still use pad for most other characters in Tekken
Razer recently released the SOCD firmware they added 3 settings 4 if you count the PC exclusive no SOCD setting. They added down + up =up, last input priority, and first input priority. Those last two are def not tournament legal but it's kinda cool to see nonetheless
I got a TopStepGG Podium V2. Bulky box since it uses sanwa buttons, and for a bit extra you can get a Brook Fusion board and customizable art.
The Haute42 is a good entry stick for anyone just because of the price point. The firmware stuff can be daunting and tedious, but you're saving ~60% compared to the cost of other lever-less even if you have to buy a brook converter. Personally, I own a Snackbox Micro /w PS5 support and that's just because I was at Evo when they were selling them while I had the epiphany that I no longer want to lug around a ~13lb arcade stick which also takes up a lot of my carry-on luggage space.
I love being able to block cross ups without thinking.
SnackBox Micro, first fighting controller at all, & I love it. I just wish it were heavier & the tiny buttons went down easier & were a bit larger.
buy the metal plate for it, I'm considering doing the same and getting the XL chassis while I'm at it
haute is the best cheap option
I don't exactly have small hands, and I would definitely appreciate something that's supposed to sit still on my lap having some weight to it, so I think the MPress would be nice for me if I ever decided to take the dive and go to a tourney. As for PS5 compatibility, I'm not exactly afraid of tinkering with my tech, and the whole mid-tournament update thing isn't something I think would happen often.
My only gripe is the lack of some kind of non-slip base, but it's nothing a rubber mat and some glue can't fix. The nice thing about these kinds of controllers are how easy they are to personalize, the overall shape is way simpler than your typical pad. The hardest part might be finding the right adhesive for the job.
EDIT: I just got to the sound test and I like the MPress the best here too. It's perfect.
To cut down on hand sweat while using Razer Kitsune, I bought a skin for it and it helped a lot
Can u link the site pls
If you're feeling ambitious, you can even make your own!
The GP-2040 firmware is open source and has a friendly, helpful discord community
the kids can barely update firmware slow down
All fight sticks shoken star layout with a ufb is what ive been using for the past 5 years its been perfect
Thinking about getting one but honestly the inputs are very fun to input on the stick. I have an 8bitdo black wireless arcade stick for Xbox.
I ordered myself a custom AFS leverless case that ive used for about a year and i love it to death. Recently though, i stumbled on an Akuma Kitsune at one of the Razer stores so i bought it.... I have been loving the Kitsune ever since i got it and i dunno if i ever go back to a big fightstick again.
I’d say the kitsune is bigger , button wise , unless you had a shiokenstar panel then the action buttons would be 30mm while the movement would be 24mm
Fun fact, i was the first person to ever order a Raindrop, the guy sent me extra buttons when i had an issue, and sent me two cases for it
Kitsune user here, and I'll probably never go back to an arcade stick. My inputs and execution are so much sharper with this thing it's unreal.
No hate towards arcade sticks, they're great, but with the characters I play leverless is so much better for me.
I got a Custom AFS Split layout with a Brook Universal Fusion, and a SpeedyLabs LightFox
The hautepads are the goats of budget friendly controllers, feel really expensive and premium but dont cost too much
The PXN N5 steering wheel dongle also works for GP2040 passthrough. They have the same authentication chip that the wingman and magicboots use
I have a Hitbox. It now has a converter that you can buy for PS5 play. Biggest drawback is the proprietary cord it uses. Might look into a different leverless simply for that fact. It does the job for now. I do like the beefy-ness of it although I had to switch the buttons out. They felt too soft for my tastes.
I hate the base layout for leverless controllers, the way I have to hold my wrists makes them hurt pretty quickly. I'm a big fan of the Mavercade spacebar style ones, they have a lot more space between left and right hand, and expand the jump button like a spacebar so you can still hit it with either hand.
I'd love to hear from anyone else if there are other less cramped options
I made mine using a surplus army ammo box. Outlined my natural finger positions with my wrists/arms relaxed, drilled the holes, added the buttons, mounted a brook universal board inside, done. Built it over five years ago and still love it to this day. Also quite economical (~$80 for all the parts and borrowing my dad's power drill).
oh very nice! how long did it take you to put it together?
God I love that evo artwork on the snackbox
Something I don't see people mention when talking about switching controllers is the fun factor. It's only really worth it to swap to a different controller type if you think it's going to be fun for you to use.
In my case I always saw Mad Catz sticks in Gamestop as a kid, and always wanted one but never got one. That nostalgia made it really fun for me to use, which made it significantly easier to get past the learning barrier of a new device, and it made me play fighting games more because it.
If you're having fun on your Xbox controller, or DS4/5, but you're just thinking about getting a competitive edge, I would only recommend swapping if you have a specific thing in mind that you want out of a new controller. Like easier 720s, or Charge motions, or Electrics in Tekken or something like that. No controller change is going to give you a "general" advantage.
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