Commenting before the battle truly starts, love seeing Minas Tirith v Isenguard. Both are armies I love seeing, and both players have been crucial in learning how to play the game for me. Top job boys, may the dice forever be in your favor.
U guys got me into this game. I play undead legendary legion and Moria legion as well. It’s been a great 2 years of playing. American based to guys! Keep making content both the noobs and conquest please!!!
I do rate the ranger build. It is super hard to look past the S3 bows, body guard and potential f5. Especially when I have a bunch of spears in my army already. It's Mainly the body guard tho. -Sean
Thanks for the awesome BatRep Sean and Jacob, it was great to see those bolt throwers in action. Will we get to see any footage from the tournament at a later date? Thanks
Sadly not from us as we didn't take any footage. But Jacob put up a video a few months ago. I believe it's called something like "I travelled 2000km to play MESBG" We will be doing more tournament recaps of this year tho, so keep an eye out. -Sean
@@NoobsandMen Thanks for the reply, and once again... thank you for the Batrep, I can't wait for the next one with your Minas Tirith and their awesome paint work.
I think there's two things to take from this (I'm in before the lines meet). If you take a bolt thrower, you take swift reload. If you talk one bolt thrower, you take two. If you take two...etc etc. That's some nasty stuff in a scenario where they have to come to you.
I would like to suggest a Turkish oil wrestling match between the 2 of you to once and for all determine who is the sexiest front man of true Aussie MESBG channels.
@The Last Alliance of Noobs and Men Well maybe you have and maybe you haven't. I haven't seen any evidence of it. This question needs to be answered for all the world to see. Film it and bundle it into my statue purchase.
The color scheme of Minas Tirith is awesome! Did you learn to paint that armor color from anywhere or was it your own experimenting? I’d like to paint my MT armor similar.
45:40 Hey guys, loved this BR. I know you played a lot of games prior so just confirming for my own learning. Didn’t Saruman’s horse get killed the turn prior by the Bolt Thrower? Was surprised to see him in combat, knocking guys prone, and rolling doubles strikes.
41:14 This is what I was referring to. But honestly, once Jacob hit that drum and opened up shooting for you again, we could all tell how excited you were! Loved the BR. Hope that tournament went well!
Nah swift reload every day of the week. You're going from 4 opportunities for a 6 down to 3 and even then you're more likely to be rolling worse amounts of shots. Off two dice you have a 30% change of a six, opposed to 16 with one dice $wift R3L0aD -Liam
35:30 you could not have hit the warg as your guys were on the floor because of the previous turn and Jacob had priority , so your guys would still be laying on the floor and thus not be able to strike blows
The way you struggled to keep track of what your're rolling for with the Bolt Thrower was something. You still ended up skipping over your to-hit rolls on Saruman (the first would've hit the horse instead of Saruman without wounding and the other two would've missed) ;P Nevertheless really cool game. Not too convinced by Jacob's choice to take the troll at 1000 where there's bound to be lots of stuff ready to take it on.
The whole bloody game was a struggle. We had played about 3 games before this one, we were just exhausted mainly tho I wanted to die. I dunno man, in the hands of a great player like Jacob a troll at 1000pts backed up by saruman can deal damage. Tho I know for a fact the troll is a decoy for the bomb. Get the troll in to a big hero or 2 or 3 and then send the bomb and blow them all to hell. -Sean
@@NoobsandMen Huh that's not too bad a thought actually. Still a pretty expensive decoy though. Are you telling me you had played three games before that *the same day*!?
Difference between a good player and a great player are things like the troll play. Same day no break and we ended up playing about 13 games over 3 days -Sean
A quick question about the bomb. You attempt to detonate it at the start of the fight phase but if Sean called a heroic combat would that go off before the bomb? Which would potentially allow him to get out of town
i know im very late to this one, but isn't rapid reload on two bolt throwers just ten points off the cost of another one? you could drop those and one citadel guard for three bolt throwers. pushes your average shot count from 9.5 to 10.5 so an extra shot but with extra might and an extra model to your total army size. rapid is absolutely worth it on one thrower, but on two i reckon you're better just getting another avenger
Great and funny BR :-) One question: what do you recommend to proxy the MT Bolt Thrower? The official mini is not available anymore. Maybe the Age of Sigmar Celestar Ballista?
That could definitely work mate. I know a dude who built his own from bolsa wood. But also the DnD miniature usually have some cool models to proxy with -Sean
It's partially the psychological effect it has on your opponent. Boz is seen as a massive threat when on horse back and is thus Targeted early from bow fire, this will usually kill the horse anyway so he's basically a foot troop and your down 10pts, give me an extra model plz. Your opponent will also save might to deal with him, we want that might drained by heroic moves, strikes, combats and so on. When boz is off his horse sitting behind his lines your opponent doesn't see him as a major priority, especially if you don't keep throwing him into combat. They will also be alot more liberal with their might usage. 90% of my games with him, he sits behind my line buffing the troops. My other hero's drain might where possible, I always have a lot of strikers, this is a great way of draining might, I also call heroic moves in hope my opponent will counter. If my opponent finally breaks through my lines with their big hero, now it has to face a F7 boz who has used maybe 2 might all game. He's also great for making spell casters waste Will transfixing him whilst I have no intention of him doing much, as I'm focusing on my troops and my smaller heroes. Boz isn't a killing machine, he is a hand grenade, throw him at a hero or a monster with a bunch of support and he will kill anything. Boz is a late game hero, none can deal with a F7 Boz, with a bunch of might during the late game. -Sean
Thanks for the detailed response. Makes a lot of tactical sense! If mounted it’s too tempting to fly him straight into combat to get shot at or surrounded
*Copy and pasted from a comment I responded to also on this video* It's partially the psychological effect it has on your opponent. Boz is seen as a massive threat when on horse back and is thus Targeted early from bow fire, this will usually kill the horse anyway so he's basically a foot troop and your down 10pts, give me an extra model plz. Your opponent will also save might to deal with him, we want that might drained by heroic moves, strikes, combats and so on. When boz is off his horse sitting behind his lines your opponent doesn't see him as a major priority, especially if you don't keep throwing him into combat. They will also be alot more liberal with their might usage. 90% of my games with him, he sits behind my line buffing the troops. My other hero's drain might where possible, I always have a lot of strikers, this is a great way of draining might, I also call heroic moves in hope my opponent will counter. If my opponent finally breaks through my lines with their big hero, now it has to face a F7 boz who has used maybe 2 might all game. He's also great for making spell casters waste Will transfixing him whilst I have no intention of him doing much, as I'm focusing on my troops and my smaller heroes. Boz isn't a killing machine, he is a hand grenade, throw him at a hero or a monster with a bunch of support and he will kill anything. Boz is a late game hero, none can deal with a F7 Boz, with a bunch of might during the late game. -Sean
hope u guys agree! with "functional" i mean more verity cause there are like "fewer" options in lower points. some of the heroes/models are too expensive points wise in lower point games. Me and my friends always play like team games like 2v2 each have 1k points so 2k vs 2k
@@NoobsandMen yup. i know the feeling we also play team games Warhammer Fantasy 8th Edition. Everyone has 2,7k 3 vs 3 and it takes like 6-12h. And after that your brain is veeeery exachausted. Ofc we have a quick lunch break for like 30 min. but its a lot of fun! but anyways love the content! Defintley Top-3 mesgb content on youtube, so keep up with the good work!
Personally I believe the game is at its best around 600pts. I absolutely love the game so enjoy playing all pts lvls, even 1000pts. We recently played 5, 1000pt games over 2 days and it was bloody brilliant. I will say tho if your playing 1000pts, you need a timer, cause the game will turn into a slog with no timer. I'd recommend 2:30-3hr -Sean
Guys...PLEASE cut the swearing. I watch this with my 10yo son, who plays MESBG. The odd shit...ok, but stop the F bombs please! Id really like to be able to watch this with him :(
I apologise mate but we won't be cutting the swearing. This is who we are as ppl We don't swear for the sake of swearing it's just part of our vernacular and vocab whilst growing up. Im just grateful i grew up understanding words like shit, the Fword, the Cword, ect can't hurt me. In fact many of those words are ways we emphasize our happiness, excitement, sadness and use them as words of endearment. Once again i do apologise if this has caused you and your son any distress but we don't intend on changing our personalities. There are plenty of other amazing channels for you and your son to watch and we highly recommend W.A.R.G, conquest creations and reaper squadron gaming. We do hope you stick around -Sean
@@NoobsandMen I'm not prudish about the swearing guys, I'm from the UK and love a good swear but it's F bombs galore not just the odd one! That's fine, but makes it a bit difficult to to watch which is a shame. It's worth thinking that this might limit the number of views and also it would be handy to perhaps just update the description to note it includes quite a lot of swearing? Cheers D
You might be right mate but honestly we're just here for fun, not really in it for the views and stuff, it's more of a bonus. Plus we're well exceeding any expectations we had when we first started this channel so it's really not a priority for us. If we had to keep constantly self censoring ourselves it just wouldn't be as fun or genuine anymore. I totally understand if that's too much for you or your son, but it's just not something we're going to change. The videos are always marked not for kids and our main audience is well over 18+. Like Sean said, Warg, conquest, reapers, are all stellar channels that definitely focus more on keeping their videos more PG than us if you're looking for MESBG content to watch with your son. We still do genuinely hope you stick around despite this. -Liam
Commenting before the battle truly starts, love seeing Minas Tirith v Isenguard. Both are armies I love seeing, and both players have been crucial in learning how to play the game for me. Top job boys, may the dice forever be in your favor.
Your kind words are too much mate.
Keep playing and learning.
And my the dice forever be in your favour
-Sean
U guys got me into this game. I play undead legendary legion and Moria legion as well. It’s been a great 2 years of playing. American based to guys! Keep making content both the noobs and conquest please!!!
Glad to hear it mate! We're not stopping anytime soon!
-Liam
Such great guys and playing great armies!!!! Thanks guys, keep it coming!!
You're a legend Mr Sam J.
-Sean
Top notch content Do enjoy the different perspective running mass Citadel Guard bows over Rangers with spears backline which is what I normally take.
I do rate the ranger build.
It is super hard to look past the S3 bows, body guard and potential f5.
Especially when I have a bunch of spears in my army already.
It's Mainly the body guard tho.
-Sean
Wow, that's the best thumbnail I've ever seen.
Great batrep as always!
Liam did a killer job on the thumbnail didn't he.
That face will haunt my nightmares for days to come.
-Sean
what did saruman do during movement at 22:10 ? No spells cast? Just letting Boromir free reign over the poor unpainted troll?
From memory he attempted a transfix and failed.
-Sean
Thanks for the awesome BatRep Sean and Jacob, it was great to see those bolt throwers in action. Will we get to see any footage from the tournament at a later date? Thanks
Sadly not from us as we didn't take any footage.
But Jacob put up a video a few months ago.
I believe it's called something like "I travelled 2000km to play MESBG"
We will be doing more tournament recaps of this year tho, so keep an eye out.
-Sean
@@NoobsandMen Thanks for the reply, and once again... thank you for the Batrep, I can't wait for the next one with your Minas Tirith and their awesome paint work.
The banter is hilarious
I think there's two things to take from this (I'm in before the lines meet).
If you take a bolt thrower, you take swift reload.
If you talk one bolt thrower, you take two. If you take two...etc etc.
That's some nasty stuff in a scenario where they have to come to you.
upgrade the siege vets to captains and just take all bolt throwers my dude
-Liam
I would like to suggest a Turkish oil wrestling match between the 2 of you to once and for all determine who is the sexiest front man of true Aussie MESBG channels.
How do you know we haven't already partaken in Turkish oil wrestling
@The Last Alliance of Noobs and Men Well maybe you have and maybe you haven't. I haven't seen any evidence of it. This question needs to be answered for all the world to see. Film it and bundle it into my statue purchase.
Jacob's face in the thumbnail is so fucking ominous. He's the real dark lord here
He's always been the dark lord
-Sean
The color scheme of Minas Tirith is awesome! Did you learn to paint that armor color from anywhere or was it your own experimenting?
I’d like to paint my MT armor similar.
Nah just experimenting mate.
We have a video where I paint irolas, that goes over how I did everything.
-Sean
Why did grima step asinde? He could have easly stayed before the bolt thrower, isn't he?
If I could read Jacobs mind I'd tell ya.
-Sean
Awesome battle report!
How do you get the red Gondorian cloaks (on the Fountain court Guards:) ?
Hey mate there is a video where I painted irolas.
That will give you a detailed explanation on what paints were used and how.
- sean
Dude where did you get the shields for your fountain court guards? They look quality 👌🏼
I'm pretty sure they are shields from the Khazad Dum dwarven warriors.
-Sean
45:40 Hey guys, loved this BR. I know you played a lot of games prior so just confirming for my own learning.
Didn’t Saruman’s horse get killed the turn prior by the Bolt Thrower? Was surprised to see him in combat, knocking guys prone, and rolling doubles strikes.
From memory there was a mistake in my shooting with the bolt thrower, allowing sarumans horse to stay alive.
-Sean
41:14 This is what I was referring to.
But honestly, once Jacob hit that drum and opened up shooting for you again, we could all tell how excited you were!
Loved the BR. Hope that tournament went well!
I think you should do an entire batrep with 5x zoom.
I’ve always been on the fence with swift reload on multiple bolt throwers. It’s 10pts more for no swift reload and just taking a 3rd.
Nah swift reload every day of the week. You're going from 4 opportunities for a 6 down to 3 and even then you're more likely to be rolling worse amounts of shots. Off two dice you have a 30% change of a six, opposed to 16 with one dice
$wift R3L0aD
-Liam
That troll deserved his fate for daring to show up unpainted
It's well known that unpainted models don't do well in game
-Sean
It must have been draining at 1000pts, but it was a very good battle report. Good job guys 👏
We were absolutely knackered after filming this batrep.
-Sean
What’s crazy about that is when I started the competition games for 1500-1800 points 😂😂😂😂😂 lucky they were timed.
35:30 you could not have hit the warg as your guys were on the floor because of the previous turn and Jacob had priority , so your guys would still be laying on the floor and thus not be able to strike blows
That's a great pick up mate.
Slip of the mind, happens a lot when filming.
-Sean
brah, watching the Isengard line i'm like shit son, then i see the immaculate warband of Gondor they look clinical cant wait to see the result
Both scary lines to see facing each other
-Sean
The way you struggled to keep track of what your're rolling for with the Bolt Thrower was something. You still ended up skipping over your to-hit rolls on Saruman (the first would've hit the horse instead of Saruman without wounding and the other two would've missed) ;P
Nevertheless really cool game. Not too convinced by Jacob's choice to take the troll at 1000 where there's bound to be lots of stuff ready to take it on.
The whole bloody game was a struggle.
We had played about 3 games before this one, we were just exhausted mainly tho I wanted to die.
I dunno man, in the hands of a great player like Jacob a troll at 1000pts backed up by saruman can deal damage. Tho I know for a fact the troll is a decoy for the bomb.
Get the troll in to a big hero or 2 or 3 and then send the bomb and blow them all to hell.
-Sean
@@NoobsandMen Huh that's not too bad a thought actually. Still a pretty expensive decoy though.
Are you telling me you had played three games before that *the same day*!?
Difference between a good player and a great player are things like the troll play.
Same day no break and we ended up playing about 13 games over 3 days
-Sean
@@NoobsandMen Jesus fing christ my brain would be melted after that. Probably pretty good endurance training though
Yeah man it was wild. Not to mention the heavy drinking hahaha.
5 of them games were tournament games aswell.
-Sean
A quick question about the bomb. You attempt to detonate it at the start of the fight phase but if Sean called a heroic combat would that go off before the bomb? Which would potentially allow him to get out of town
No cause the bomb attempt happens at the start of the fight phase before anything else.
-Sean
Great game lads! How’d you both get on at the tournament?
Jacob came 4th and I came 8th I think.
Got a bit drunk after day one.
The hangover was legendary hahaha.
-Sean
i know im very late to this one, but isn't rapid reload on two bolt throwers just ten points off the cost of another one? you could drop those and one citadel guard for three bolt throwers. pushes your average shot count from 9.5 to 10.5 so an extra shot but with extra might and an extra model to your total army size. rapid is absolutely worth it on one thrower, but on two i reckon you're better just getting another avenger
I don't own a 3rd bolt thrower, that's why I didn't do that 🤣🤣
@@NoobsandMen come on dude, you cant be dropping reality into my game math bullshittery😆had decimals and everything. get another one 🤣
Sorry if this is a dumb question but is there a reason the uruk beserkers on objectives aren't prone to help protect them against ranged attacks?
Usually that would be the play mate,
-sean
Can't wait for the atop the walls legendary legion with blinding light gandalf and bare buffed up bolt throwers
OP as fuck
Ive seen Gandalf bolt thrower combo and it's cooked.
-Sean
@@NoobsandMen give your boy Irolas some buffs in there too and we'll really be cooking
@@AtomicCards I'd love to use irolas he's such a cool model but just really lack luster compared to others.
-Sean
Great and funny BR :-) One question: what do you recommend to proxy the MT Bolt Thrower? The official mini is not available anymore. Maybe the Age of Sigmar Celestar Ballista?
That could definitely work mate.
I know a dude who built his own from bolsa wood.
But also the DnD miniature usually have some cool models to proxy with
-Sean
I've seen one made of sprue plastic and green stuff. If painted well it can look alright.
Oi oi it's my boys! Looking forward to watching this later, got to route for the white hand on this one I'm sorry mate 😞
Mate I absolutely respect your choice.
It's a sexy sexy army and a hard nut to crack
-Sean
What’s the reasoning behind preferring Boromir on foot rather than mounted?
It's partially the psychological effect it has on your opponent.
Boz is seen as a massive threat when on horse back and is thus Targeted early from bow fire, this will usually kill the horse anyway so he's basically a foot troop and your down 10pts, give me an extra model plz. Your opponent will also save might to deal with him, we want that might drained by heroic moves, strikes, combats and so on.
When boz is off his horse sitting behind his lines your opponent doesn't see him as a major priority, especially if you don't keep throwing him into combat. They will also be alot more liberal with their might usage.
90% of my games with him, he sits behind my line buffing the troops. My other hero's drain might where possible, I always have a lot of strikers, this is a great way of draining might, I also call heroic moves in hope my opponent will counter.
If my opponent finally breaks through my lines with their big hero, now it has to face a F7 boz who has used maybe 2 might all game.
He's also great for making spell casters waste Will transfixing him whilst I have no intention of him doing much, as I'm focusing on my troops and my smaller heroes.
Boz isn't a killing machine, he is a hand grenade, throw him at a hero or a monster with a bunch of support and he will kill anything.
Boz is a late game hero, none can deal with a F7 Boz, with a bunch of might during the late game.
-Sean
Thanks for the detailed response. Makes a lot of tactical sense! If mounted it’s too tempting to fly him straight into combat to get shot at or surrounded
4:08 on foot with banner hurts my soul
*Copy and pasted from a comment I responded to also on this video*
It's partially the psychological effect it has on your opponent.
Boz is seen as a massive threat when on horse back and is thus Targeted early from bow fire, this will usually kill the horse anyway so he's basically a foot troop and your down 10pts, give me an extra model plz. Your opponent will also save might to deal with him, we want that might drained by heroic moves, strikes, combats and so on.
When boz is off his horse sitting behind his lines your opponent doesn't see him as a major priority, especially if you don't keep throwing him into combat. They will also be alot more liberal with their might usage.
90% of my games with him, he sits behind my line buffing the troops. My other hero's drain might where possible, I always have a lot of strikers, this is a great way of draining might, I also call heroic moves in hope my opponent will counter.
If my opponent finally breaks through my lines with their big hero, now it has to face a F7 boz who has used maybe 2 might all game.
He's also great for making spell casters waste Will transfixing him whilst I have no intention of him doing much, as I'm focusing on my troops and my smaller heroes.
Boz isn't a killing machine, he is a hand grenade, throw him at a hero or a monster with a bunch of support and he will kill anything.
Boz is a late game hero, none can deal with a F7 Boz, with a bunch of might during the late game.
-Sean
Oh so that's why you bring bombs.
THATS how you use Saruman *gets cut in half* xD
There should be a best things about Australia tier list.
Could be a good live stream idea
Betting on Sean on this, curious to see all the siege weapons perform
It's a doosy mate.
-Sean
@@NoobsandMen absolutely! I still have an old metal bolt thrower lying around. This batrep definitely convinced me to paint it ASAP
They are bonkers good.
Maybe too good.
Just remember if you are gonna use it always pay the 20pts for swift reload.
-sean
yeeees! 1000p. it should be the standard. cause u get so many things and imo u can do more "functional" lists than in lower point games.
That is very true but it takes all bloody day to film 1000pts and by the end you wanna die hahahaha
We do endeavour to do more 1000pt games
-Sean
hope u guys agree! with "functional" i mean more verity cause there are like "fewer" options in lower points. some of the heroes/models are too expensive points wise in lower point games. Me and my friends always play like team games like 2v2 each have 1k points so 2k vs 2k
@@NoobsandMen yup. i know the feeling we also play team games Warhammer Fantasy 8th Edition. Everyone has 2,7k 3 vs 3 and it takes like 6-12h. And after that your brain is veeeery exachausted. Ofc we have a quick lunch break for like 30 min. but its a lot of fun! but anyways love the content! Defintley Top-3 mesgb content on youtube, so keep up with the good work!
Should be a great game
It's a good one mate
-Sean
$ on Jacob. Let’s see how it turns out
Is it cause boz is on foot ????? Hahahaha
-Sean
as soon as you said hide your nieces my mind went right to that clip and i actually died when you followed with in the edit lol
oaaath
Love the channel guys but do ye not find that mesbg turns into a slog at this high points. Personally I think the game flows nicely at lower points
Personally I believe the game is at its best around 600pts. I absolutely love the game so enjoy playing all pts lvls, even 1000pts.
We recently played 5, 1000pt games over 2 days and it was bloody brilliant.
I will say tho if your playing 1000pts, you need a timer, cause the game will turn into a slog with no timer.
I'd recommend 2:30-3hr
-Sean
Welp the Algorithm has brought me here
And aren't you glad that it did 😂
-Sean
Need to remember to actually roll to hit with the bolt throwers 😂 Saz lost his horse and used a fate without you actually rolling to hit 🤫
Yeah man we done gone goofed.
Happens to the best of of us.
-Sean
Ingold 4:28
Yes
"here for the bomb to blow off" doesn't shoot bolt throwers at the bomb.... Pathetic
I wanted it to kill my shit and it bloody well did hahaha
-Sean
Guys...PLEASE cut the swearing. I watch this with my 10yo son, who plays MESBG. The odd shit...ok, but stop the F bombs please! Id really like to be able to watch this with him :(
I apologise mate but we won't be cutting the swearing. This is who we are as ppl We don't swear for the sake of swearing it's just part of our vernacular and vocab whilst growing up.
Im just grateful i grew up understanding words like shit, the Fword, the Cword, ect can't hurt me. In fact many of those words are ways we emphasize our happiness, excitement, sadness and use them as words of endearment.
Once again i do apologise if this has caused you and your son any distress but we don't intend on changing our personalities.
There are plenty of other amazing channels for you and your son to watch and we highly recommend W.A.R.G, conquest creations and reaper squadron gaming.
We do hope you stick around
-Sean
@@NoobsandMen I'm not prudish about the swearing guys, I'm from the UK and love a good swear but it's F bombs galore not just the odd one! That's fine, but makes it a bit difficult to to watch which is a shame. It's worth thinking that this might limit the number of views and also it would be handy to perhaps just update the description to note it includes quite a lot of swearing? Cheers D
You might be right mate but honestly we're just here for fun, not really in it for the views and stuff, it's more of a bonus. Plus we're well exceeding any expectations we had when we first started this channel so it's really not a priority for us. If we had to keep constantly self censoring ourselves it just wouldn't be as fun or genuine anymore.
I totally understand if that's too much for you or your son, but it's just not something we're going to change. The videos are always marked not for kids and our main audience is well over 18+. Like Sean said, Warg, conquest, reapers, are all stellar channels that definitely focus more on keeping their videos more PG than us if you're looking for MESBG content to watch with your son.
We still do genuinely hope you stick around despite this.
-Liam
Isengard is the army I'm going to win it with - old mate chuckles - that's how we get it going.