Tier List: Iron Hills & Army of Thror (Ft Conquest Creations)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 22 ส.ค. 2022
- Some how we convinced Jacob to step down outside the 10k club to join us in another video, this time helping us sort out a few hobbit era Dwarves on a tier list.
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as a dedicated khazad dum player, it pisses me off slightly that army of thror get TWO different versions of 'better durin' for -40 points. i love th guy, but 160 plus HG upgrade costs stings a little more now🤣
I'm in the same boat.
Dudes amazing and I love him but for what he does hot damn bring those points down just a touch
To build an army of this I would get a box of erebor warriors, a box of grim hammers thror and thrain, thorn and convert a grim hammer into a captain. This makes an 800 to 850 point list.
Great video guys. I think army of Thror should really have archers of some kind at least! It's just one more troop type. They could honestly just sell them in a blister and I'd still buy them.
I kinda like the difference between Khazad-Dum and Army of thror being the bow aspect, tho AoT also gets access to waaaaay more might than K-D
-Liam
What you can do is ally army of thror with dale because they're green allies and Dale has bows.
I'd rather ally with iron hills gets you cavalry and that crossbow unit.
Dale is a great ally it really depends on play style and preference.
Well this is what i use at 500 points. And i love it!
Warband 1
thror (leader)
16 grimhammers (guadrians of the king)
Warband 2
Captain of Erebor (shield)
12 Warriors of Erebor (shield + Spear)
497 Points 30 Models
Nice list! Very good for 500 that's for sure
-Liam
Good to see you all grew out your beards for this episode
It's was for a special occasion
-Sean
Thrain solves objective scenarios with his tablewide stand fast.
Ahhh man I do want to get my hands on some dwarves! Though I don't think I could ever bring myself to get Iron Hills as cool as the models are
Khazad dum mate, bring back their glory.
-Sean
doesn't help that Iron Hills also cost 40 billion dollars to make a decent army out of
-Liam
@@NoobsandMen They are the most likely, couple different heroes and you have 2 different armies there as well!
It’s not that the chariot is hard to use it’s that it needs some FAQ as I and many others have requested for years now. It was mentioned it’s easy to surround but this is why I always take the chariot with a captain and dain in high points matches as it’s now hard to charge your heroes into the chariot once it has might and if you fail you will suffer badly. A huge part of it falls down to how well you can deploy it. As for mattocks they are super handy to flesh out and get all your points filled. Sometimes it’s worth dropping a few spear guys to get even better numbers as numbers is something an expensive army like iron hills suffers from. They can be super handy to keep near dain or other heroes that might be targeted to come and and put down a sneaky bash.
Fine video guys. I love dwarfy boys, but can't get into any of the Hobbit era minis. Unfortunately.
- Sad Sean
Honestly fair enough, I'm dipping my toes with Thorins Co and technically Erebor reclaimed, though the war of the ring era version 😅
-Liam
@@NoobsandMen You need to give Sean's furries a good shellacking.
@@briarsandbantams I really bloody do, he's been really kicking some ass with them lately
-Liam
@@NoobsandMen I just got up and am drinking coffee, slowly waking up. I read kicking as "licking". Either way, good luck.
W/young Thorin, Dwalin, and Balin currently oos, how would you build the army beyond Thror, Thrain, and a box of GHs?
Not so easy with Dealing and Balin but using Thorins co version of them works well enough, but if conversion needed for Balin and Dealing but the Thorins works out the box really
-Liam
I was already planning on running an all mounted iron hills and now I shall
Now this excites me beyond belief.
Make sure you share the building and painting journey on our Face book page.
-Sean
So my 15 Beornings have arrived...Beon and Grimbeorn are build and ready to paint...Sean totally got me hooked on them, you guys should ask GW for 10% or smth xD
They are alot of fun to use mate, you will have an absolute blast playing them. They either win big or lose big no inbetween.
-sean
@@NoobsandMen did you have problems building the two handed boys and girl? I cant eem to get the arms in a postion that fits the axe...
I’m a year late to the party but I had a question. Is disliking heroic march a result of the veto system being so popular and being able to eliminate the scenarios where it’s useful, or do you think Heroic March is less than optimal even when rolling randomly without the veto system?
Its just an overrated heroic action, it's nice to have in certain situations but too many people compromise the make up if their army to get it into their list. It's nice, but not necessary
-Liam
Similar to Isengard Crossbows, Crossbows with spears are at least A Tier if not S Tier for me!
The big upside to isengard crossbows is the ability to shoot into combat.
The ironhill crossbows can't.
If you are playing static, sitting and not moving yes they would definitely be in A tier. But spread across all the scenarios you can't just sit still the whole game.
They are where they belong
-Sean
How viable is a fully mounted Iron Hills army? Ignoring having to sell my internal organs for it 😂
Don't have to sell organs if you 3rd print it 😘
Personally I really like it, ran all mounted with all the big boys that can be mounted and it slaps really hard if you're rolling alright, can get stomped if your dice betray you however
If it's just Iron Hills so Dain and Captains I'm not sure how well it goes tbh
-Liam
Do you have a Discord server?
Nah but it's something we've been meaning to set up at some point
-Liam
Corporate overlord 😅
Yeah we a bunch of sell outs
-Sean
I'd take a captain just to get heroic march.
But March is trashhhhhhh.
-Sean
@@NoobsandMen That is kind of true, but allying with dale can get heroic march for 20 points less with the captain, idk just my opinion.
You need march, thats what captains are for
Need is very strong reaction.
March is a cool tool to have, and 100% has a place but absolutely you don't need march, in alot of cases it's a waste of might.
Good deployment and movement is just as good as march. Id never make sure I have march in a list, but if I have it due to my hero selection awesome, if not no stress.
it may get used once every 6-7 games if I have it and is also scenario dependent.
-Sean
@@NoobsandMen thnx for the reply, and I agree it is not a thing you use alot, but it can win games lategame to steal objectives etc. After a legendary hero, i always add a march. In dwarves thats usually a captain, so on that note i follow Alistair kings school of dwarving. I rate them over named killy heroes i suppose on that note(march). But other than that, i agree with your list.
Nah I'm with ya Endre, dwarves need march for sure, their stumpy legs just can't get em places. March is fantastic and Sean hates it for no reason 😉
-Liam
Hot take: IH is bad as a faction. Dain and the Ballista are bonkers but 12 points, slow warriors with low-ish fight just don't cut it
Having been playing some War if the ring era Erebor Reclaimed I can say I really don't agree the d8 wall you can build from them where they live through just about anything while your heroes cut sick, they're great little tanks
-Liam
@@NoobsandMen Fair point. To me, they have too many problems to make up for with their heroes.
They move slowly and cost a lot per piece, so you're not fielding a lot of warriors UNLESS you skip on the Ballista and the great heroes (apart from the auto take that is Dain). If you're fielding a lot of warriors you're just worse army of the dead (or maybe more like Return of the King) with high defense, low fight models but no fast models apart from very costly and quite slow goats. On the other hand, with a lot of great heroes and the Ballista you have so few models you'll just get trapped and eventually die to numbers.
Also, the Ballista hits on 4s with no rerolls and that makes me mad 😂😂
I stopped watching when u said the grim hammer captain was the better captain......
Then you missed why mate 😂 str6 +1s to wound mate
@@NoobsandMen Hi, if you see my message. I dont understand how str6 +1 de wound is possible. +1 to wound with spear, str 5+1 to wound with two handed weapon, but why str- ? thanks you