They would have still needed to build the roads for those forts on the move just as the Roman legions needed to build the roads so they could march more easily towards non-Roman territory.
@Elite_Tauren_Chieftain If they were following any traditions, much less Roman traditions, they wouldn't be having munitions and airfields getting bombed by drones hundreds of kilometers from the front.
Since the first two humans fought and one picked up a stick or a rock, we've always tried to get the advantage and stack things in our own favor, and why wouldn't we?😂
Funnily enough i was playing the Roar of Conquest mod last night and there's actually a unit called Gulay-Gorod in it ! Even funnier is what this translates into Filipino, my wife laughed when i showed it to her 🤣🤣
When you're enemy is mostly horse archers with little field artillery wagonforts make far more sense than pike and shot. The Qing mauled both Ming and Korean pike and shot formations with their horse archers. The horse archer reigned supreme well into the 17th century in the eurasian steppes. The bulk of the polish cavalry relieving Vienna was made up of medium horse archers equipped in ottoman fashion.
"Reigned supreme" is probably taking it a bit far. Horse archers remained _viable_ and could be fielded in large numbers by the type of societies that produced them, which made for decent armies that could perform very well when the stars aligned. But they were definitely losing the edge they had once held from at least the 15th Century onwards. Also worth bearing in mind that the far eastern pike & shot formations were lagging significantly behind westerns ones by the 17th Century, especially in the shot and artillery side of things.
Ming used to fight Mongolian with their version of wagon fortress, until they were crushed , well, by Qing's wagon fortress which has better fire power.
In the days war it go down the a big advantage because you can fit drone Jammers while operating your own optic cable drones. Because of the war in Ukraine I have a timer and I did build some optic cable drones.
Guliai-Gorod is just its own version of Wagenburg Russia at that time had a more interesting thing to protect against invasion from the steppes. "Zasechnaya cherta" Huge extended structures of forts, earthworks and wood, which can be called an analogue of the Chinese wall, the only difference is that it was not done with an emphasis on stone structures. The total length is more than 1000 kilometers
@@СергейТурутин-ч6г на территориях между самарской и Татарстаном можно со спутника угадать более древние черты. По Татарстану замечал много земляных валов, но не уверен, что это не новейшее время
@@Hasmasnafg Все возможно. На территории степной евразии и европы в районе рек часто есть древние стены и валы. некоторые остались даже от тех времен когда письменности не существовала. У людей всегда была тяга к созданию чего то большего
I'm impressed. For the first time I come across a story about Russia that is not nonsense. Moreover, such a rare topic. Thank you. You are the first to tell a reliable historical fact about my country
Then you are unlucky with the algorithm it seems, there are many great history channels and most of them cover various periods of Rus to Russian history.
@@INSANESUICIDE Indeed ! Many great English channels have covered Russian history including military very well for many years, it would be hard Not to find them.
@@INSANESUICIDE I do not agree that a huge number of these channels about the history of Russia stopped in the sources for their topic on the history textbooks of the 19th century in rare cases of the early 20th. Which, to put it mildly, are outdated or even have no real relation to the history of Russia or Rus
@@IceniTotalWar ребят, вы конечно правы, но все же на аудиторию восточной европы почему-то часто предлагают каналы прям таки омерзительные... Если искать - то да, хорошие каналы можно найти, а вот именно по предложке льется отборный мусор. Это первый нормальный водеоролик, который мне подкинул алгоритм за 2 года... Остальное - трешак полный.
@@СергейШерстов-п1е Всю свою историю россия вела бесконечные захватнические войны. Если посмотреть на карту россии- практически все регионы за пределами золотого кольца: чечня, дагестан, башкортостан, татарстан, карачаево-черкессия, тыва, да даже Новгород , ит.д. были захвачены военным путем.
"Эй, Пёс! Я слышал тебе нравятся кремли, так что мы прикрутили колеса к твоему кремлю, так что теперь ты можешь кремлить когда ты в пути!" Боярин Э.К. Зибитский.
@@danielomar9712 because that is exactly what i wrote. Kremlin is a type of castle in Russia\east Europe. Yes, most famous is Moscow kremlin but we do have others - like Tula kremlin, Tobol kremlin and Kazan kremlin.
“It’s easy, when we see their musketeers, we charge into melee. We don’t want to be stuck fighting them at range.” Later that day: “Ranged. Ranged is fine.”
It's bad that this feature was not implemented in the Cossacks game. There, the streltsy are only an analogue of the European musketeers and use the axe only as a prop for the gun, while in reality there is no documented case of using axe in this way.
I'd say "roaming" is probably a better word because "wandering" implies a lack of purpose, whereas to roam is to go where you want, which I think fits the meaning best.
@@geoserg6176Because "гулять" means "to go for a walk, wander" in Modern Russian. Back then, "гулять" meant "to move somewhere" in general. In fact, a flat, open plain is sometimes called "разгул", as in "a place to walk".
Magnificent video! Thank you from Russia 🇷🇺 Really, pikemen were not effective against tatar mounted archers. And what is more, to be effective, pikemen should be highly, professionally trained. Like in Spanish tercios. While Russian streltsi were busy not only with military service but with their own business like small trade and craft. I would like to add that during XVI-most of XVII centuries the Russian tsardom was not rich enough to have a big professional army like Spain or France. The situation changed only in the 2nd half on XVII century when silver was found in Siberia. However, experiments with western modelled professional troops like pike-and-shot infantry, dragoons and reitars (cuirassiers) started already before the Smolensk war 1632. Solder regiments of "new formation" were organised. They had russian clothes (caftan and colpack) like streltsi, but European weapons and tactics. A few years after 1632 all Moscow streltsi regiments adopted muskets and musketeer tactics too. Though, due to strong enemies' cavalries in that region, gulay-gorod was steel in use until the end of the XVII century. Well, again, thank you for this really high quality video! Deep research work and cool videomaps of the battles - some of them are not animated even in Russian segment of Internet. By the way, what about video about transformation of Russian cavalry during this period? Or about Siberian conquista battles and tactics?
@@IceniTotalWar total war doesn't really portray pike and shot, they never quite got mixed formations right. They do it in a very lame way. For example pike and shot existed in Three Kingdoms period in China. How they represent this? They give every spearmen in the unit the ability to use a bow or crossbow. Which is not how they fought IRL.
Who will win: Feared tartar horsemen, the scourge of the steppes, renown horse archers who bow for no man or One wooden russian hedgehog with concealed carry
@@arktisch36экономика централизованного государства кратно сильнее и более устойчива в перспективе, с постоянным ростом. В конечном счете кочевники были побеждены, а Русскому царству и российской империи удалось выстоять под натиском времени, при соседстве с великой степью 😮😊. Великая степь, как таковая, с недавних пор запомнилась независимыми государствами. Одна только Монголия сохраняет элементы кочевнической жизни и топят печи верблюжьим пометом, вместо угля, который сами же добывают 😂. Кочевники остались на задворках истории!
Ye it means wandering town but I mean, not literally. You can't translate it literally because it's a figurative expression. Gulai is an imperative form of "wander" not an adjective like "wandering", so the saying literally says "wander, town", or a bit less literal "let the town wander".
Good point. It seems that gunpowder weapons used from cover are very effective against bow armed nomads. Which is kind of strange considering that the compound bow had a greater effective range and rate of fire than the early hand guns.
@@cliffordjensen8725I think the fact that compound bow demands way more training might be the main factor here. I am not sure why crossbows didn't provide the same effect though.
It's like with a magic trick when magician stabs a box many times with a assistant inside. But instead of magician you have enemy crossbowmen/musketeers and instead of assistant you have a lot of angry Russians.
Полки нового строя формировались преимуществено на западе, для обороны от польских, литовских и шведских армий применявших пикинеров и рейтар. Связано это было и с тем, что эти полки комплектовались шведскими, шотландскими и голландскими офицерами, которые перенесли на русскую армию опыт тридцатилетней войны, когда аркебузиры набирались из слабо обученых крестьянских рекрутов. Однако, стрелецкие полки, хотя и были вооружены алебардами помимо аркебуз, делали ставку на "стену огня" вместо пик. Поддерживая высокий темп стрельбы, благодаря хорошей выучке и тренеровкам, они останавливали кавалерию залпом, как это делала пехота уже в 18 веке. Если стрелецкий полк был вынужден взяться за пики, считалось что он плохо сражался и мало тренеровался скоростной стрельбе.
@@alexandrkovalev5082также дополню еще одной причиной: стрельцы хоть и были часто проффессионалтными стрелками, но они часто участвовали в бунтах, мятежах и государственных переворотах, что делало их двольно опасными для правительства
@@Alex.HFA1 yep. as a russian i hear massive mispronunciations of everything russian all the times in these videos, but i just dont sweat. why would i.
For those of us who are curious, is that a rule across other Russian words? That words transliterated into the English Latin script, which end in"cki" should be pronounced like that?
@@Eamonshort1 Potocki is a Polish name. Russian names, e.g. Dostoyevsky, Tukhachevsky (in Russian they are written with the suffix "ский"), are read "skeey".
@@crazyharkonnen okay, I was even more ignorant than I thought. Thank you for putting up with me and explaining it. It is appreciated.
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At last, the themes of early modern military tactics are back; in this case it is striking, as well as funny, that it was the Russians in the steppes who managed to adapt the Hussite Tactics to the type of modern warfare with muskets, while the Czechs and Slovaks failed to give it a long-term use beyond the 15th century. Although, to be fair, the fact that in Western Europe the extensive use of infantry was normalized after the Battle of Pavia in 1525, made a tactic like that of the Hussites lose all sense (because it was a way of fighting against cavalry, above all), something that never happened in Eastern Europe (because cavalry was still very important until the end of the 17th century). Anyway, in this video you can see examples that the tactics of Guliali-gorod could work relatively well against infantry armies, although it was not entirely common.
There were no horse archers in western Europe, and this is in fact an ultimatum warrior, even long after the invention of firearms and gunpowder, there were not so many professional archers in Europe, also good riders, and there were whole nations in their steppes
Вы путаете причину и следствие. Собственно изрядная часть армии гуситов состояла из огромного сборища славян. Часть из них казачила в степи и привезла с собой соответствующую тактику. Собственно вагенбург и гуляй-город это очень древняя тактика возникшая одновременно с появлением повозок. Просто первые упоминания о ней в контексте западной военной историографии началось с гуситских войн, когда рыцарская конница западного образца встретилась в бою с оборонительной тактикой торговых караванов в степи.
The Hussite tactics failed even before Pavia. During the War of the Succession of Landshut in 1504 the Bohemian mercenaries fighting in Hussite style were defeated by the Landsknechte who used field artillery to blast their wagon fort open before storming it at the battle of Wenzenbach.
Вряд ли автор прочтет,тем более придется воспользоваться гугл переводчиком,но как раз в гуляй городе и крылась одна из основных слабостей русской пехоты,они были великолепны в обороне,но почти бесполезны в атаке.Собственно поэтому и пришлось Алексею Михаиловичу,царю Тишайшему),проводить военную реформу и создавать войска нового строя.И 1630 годов в русской армии появляются пикинерские роты.Правда количество пикинеров,было пропорционально не велико,примерно 2 роты из 10.
@@ЕвгенийРжавцев Ага расскажите об этом Суворову,почему то при нем, и под его руководством,реформированная по европейскому образцу русская армия,умудрялась даже крепости брать меньшим числом и без арт поддержки.Про тот же Туртукай почитайте к примеру,1 его подвиг,про штурм Измаила,хотя тут конечно артиллерия поработала на славу).Так что не надо приплетать характер,там где вопрос касается вооружения и обучения.Характер скорее в том ,что русские боле стойко переносили осады,это да,Но тут момент скорее связанный,с привычкой воинов,в том числе и дворян к суровым условиям в походах.
@@УральскийСлон , спасибо за ответ. Но Куликово поле, Молоди, Полтава, Бородино и Сталинград с Курской дугой - главные переломные битвы: это те, где русские стояли, перемалывая врага, а уже потом добили в преследовании.
@@ЕвгенийРжавцев Согласен,)ну так это еще по фон Клаузефицу(если правильно написал)если есть возможность всегда лучше сражаться от обороны,да еще и построив полевые укрепления.потери раз в 5 меньше),ну или хотя бы в 3.
Кстати в связи с этой темой рекомендую к прочтению книги Алексея Лобина "Артиллерия Ивана Грозного" и "Пушки смуты". Есть ещё " Артиллерия Романовых" но это уже по времени несколько позже да. I recommend reading Alexey Lobin's book "Artillery of Ivan the Terrible" and "Guns of the Troubles". There is also the "Romanov Artillery", but this is already somewhat later in time.
As one of my characters in my (still unfinished) novel says: "Fair fight is for morons and suiciders. Generals are not here to ensure a fair fight, but to ensure an unfair one."
Не льсти себе.. "Правила ведения войны.. Это говорят полные идиоты. У войны нет правил.. Бей первым.. На отмашь.. Пока противник не захлебнеться кровью.. Потом добей поверженного.. Любая подлость и преступление на поле боя ими не является, если они приносят победу.. " 17 век. Слова уж не помню какого английского адмирала.. 😂
@@zuundasz1700 They are an almost 20 year old power metal band that make songs almost exclusively about historical events, and especially battles and such. Winged Hussars, Last Stand, Bismark, Unkillable Soldier... are some of the tracks you here or see referenced a lot in history buff circles.
Turns out it was not just them, similar tactics were used not just by Hussites but also Hungarians, Ottomans, Persians and even the Mughals in India. Rather it was these western weirdos with just their pikes
@@ZS-rw4qq Seems like the Ottomans, Safavids and Mughals were the only ones not bothering with hardcore pike formations. They had polearm troops to protect their firearm infantry, but it wasn't a big part of their infantry doctrine. I guess it had to do with them fighting their toughest battles in horse archer friendly terrain. Far eastern factions not bordering the steppes fielded pike and shot like everybody else. It's the logical evolution. Light missile troops need polearm troops to protect them from shock. And since gunpowder made shields obsolete polearm troops would like a longer polearm.
The word "gorod" (town) in Russian comes from the word "ograda" (fence). That is, it is a settlement protected by walls. For example, a "ogorod" (vegetable garden) = a territory fenced off from pets. Therefore, a more correct translation into English is a "walking fence" (not a town).
Gulyay Gorod- the walking-carryinh fortress was used on Battle of Molodi in 1572 and saved Russia by this. Russian army was a 20.000, a outnumbered of Khanate and Ottoman armies, winned those war.
Weill, thank you! I really enjoyed the video. It's very interesting to see the western view on my native history. I've never met the exact classification of our Gulai-Gorods in russian studies, but it was very interesting to listen. I guess one of the most important battles in Russian history in which Gulai Gorod tactic had a key role was the Battle of Molody in 1572. I would strongly recommend to look at it as it was the turning point for Moscow and Russian Tsardom no doubt. And one more note, just for information. Polish hetman's name Stanislav Potocki should be pronounsed Po-to-TS-ki, with "c" sounds like a "ts" in Tsushima.
"битва при Молодях" or smth "battle of Molodi" is far more greater example of use of gulyai-gorod (гуляй-город) i suggest you looking into that. it one of the coolest battles ever and by its importance is easily top 1-3 in Russian history also gulyai gorods or tabors were used by Hussites during Hus wars in czechia
@@РомаПетров-ж1нyep, both words have come from Proto Indo European *gʰerdʰ, which means to encircle or enclose. But the ways how they end up in modern languages are different.
In Russian there's also a word "ogorod" - a vegetable garden. It also usually separated with "ograda" - fence. As well as a typical gorod - town with a wall. That's why one of the names of the land is Garðaríki. It's funny to think all these words have the same root.
0:15 - Are you kidding me? In Russia, a spear has been used since ancient times and it was called Rogatina. It is so popular that even now it is possible to notice at some hunters of amateurs that very spear-Rogatina.
Very enlightening. In medieval Sweden we had a tradition of making "brötar", which were log fortifications that let militia face down Danish mercenaries most of the time - but they were static and vulnerable to outflanking. This continued into the 16C and often led to pyric victories for the Danes - they won the battle but were delayed and took heavy losses fighting Swedish irregular forces that didn't cost the Swedish state much. It did cost farmer lives, but those were considered cheap back then. I hate to admit it, but it seems the Russians were better than us at this. But their tactics would not work in the forests of Sweden and Finland - too seasy to ambush a wagon train, and they'd be vulnerable travel along the rare road.
This video is certainly a much-needed voice in a historical debate on Early Modern Warfare and the Pike&Shot period not always being so... Pike&Shot. There is no surprise that out of all the TH-cam channels out there, it is your channel that is the first to touch this topic in depth. You guys are definitely ahead of the curve. Much respect for that. However, I definitely have my fair share of remarks. The video, perhaps because of the source material definitely appears very Russia-centric. Although it is made clear in the latter part of the video that tabors weren't exclusively a Russian thing it almost appears it was. The absence of Cossacks in the video is concerning. Especially since wagon-forts/tabor/gulay-gorods were their primary way of warfare which they learned from the armies of the Commonwealth and dear I say perfected it. The tabor marching order as depicted in the video is very simplified. A shame since it was described in great detail in military treatises of the era like *"Consilium Rationis Bellicae"* written by no other but Jan Amor Tarnowski which you mentioned in your video. The video also makes it look like Tabors In Central-Eastern Europe were used instead of Pike&Shot formations while in reality they were used side by side by both Muscovy and Commonwealth. Finally, the army led by Sheremetev *DIDN'T* get away. The Cundnów campaign ended in complete catastrophe for the Russian army and could be a case study for limitations of tabor/gulay-gorods. Which brings me to the final gripe. You didn't discuss any failed attempts of using guliai gorods/tabors and what weaknesses/problems were encountered while utilizing them. In short, I treat this video as an appetizer, which definitely left me hungry for more and I hope you guys plan on unpacking this topic in more detail in the future. As I'm sure time constraints and video formula simply didn't allow you to do it in one go. Cheers!
@@profeseurchemical he's obviously Polish don't give it too much thought. He literally cannot help going into a video about Russian history and seething that Poland isn't mentioned as much as possible. If you've been around places on the internet where Eastern Euros inhabit you will become very familiar with this phenomenon.
@@LiterallyWho1917 Poland received sufficient coverage in previous videos. I am more concerned about the absence of Cossacks and details about the tabor marching order. I literally wrote that they (the cossacks) *MASTERED* it. Somehow I am still accused of Polish bias... like WTF?
@@PyromaN93 They didn't. Cossacks fall into two major groups. Zaporozhian Cossacks and Don Cossacks. Zaporozhian Cossacks, since the establishment of the first Sitch were pretty independent but mostly aligned with the Commonwealth and were employed by Polish nobility. And it was the Zaporozhian Cossacks who were famous for their employ of wagon forts.
The particular medieval / early modern focus of your channel really tickles my brain in the perfect way, I love learning about the warfare of this period
@@david-468 I doubt that children even in those times were particulary familiar with military tactics. And the Janissaries were taken from Christian families in conquered countries as kids being "blood tax" fee.
@@ВасилийПупкин-т2т well I was more so meaning later in life returning to there motherland but actually they would sometimes hold older boys “hostage” a 14 year old for example, he would’ve learned a little about his own country’s military especially if he was born to a nobility
Muskets and other guns came from cannons Cannons were the turning point Before, you had these weird ass weak unreliable trebuchets and catapults that had to be built only after the start of the siege due to their weight and the complex logistics that came with them Then you had these cannons that were practically ranged battering rams/stronger ballistae And then they replaced archers as the main source of (comparably) long range combat There is a reason why cannons were integrated into the newly formed Russian army before muskets and arquebuses and it's not the fact that cannons simply predecessed them
The first muskets were very inaccurate. This is their main problem. Therefore, they fired a volley in the hope of a positive outcome. In addition, they were very slow (they took a long time to recharge), but as soon as the first musket was invented, it marked the sunset of the bow. The bow is a good weapon, but it has reached its peak and had nowhere else to develop. Unlike powder guns.
@@DedHobbit muskets are still reliant on accuracy by volume of fire unless the musket is rifled. It's just that, as long as local government is willing to pay the expenses of foundry for firearms, they can field more shooters than they can replaced archers.
The Russians seem to have always been pretty good at building fortifications and defensive lines... Also, would be cool if you covered the Ottoman tactics against pike and shot (which were somewhat similar, at least from what I know). EDIT : nevermind me, I finished watching the video.
"Russian troops are manually changing the terrain prior to the battle in order to make their enemy get lost on the battlefield" - old joke about typical russian field fortifications scope
Excellent! A handy way to combine tactics and logistics. I will definitely include wagon-type fortifications in my novel, should I ever get around to writing it.
History of the art of warfare is my biggest passion in history. My dream is to build a big ass museum with all blades, pikes, muskets, artillery pieces, uniforms from all eras of history that would show the evolution of warfare
I cannot tell you how thankful I am for this video, I’ve been doing substantial research into Muscovite Expansion and Logistics and this just is the cherry on top of the sundae! Thank you so much!!!!
Please make a video about Ottoman doctrine in this era. I know it has some similarity, but it must go way deeper. I've always been curious how the Ottomans stayed dominant in their turf during the Western age of pike and shot, with a completely different doctrine. I've heard they had a much higher proportion of (sipahi) cavalry, and the infantry relied heavily on prepared positions, but I'd love to learn more, and anything their generals wrote about theory. I've always wondered how janissaries were so feared while they were fighting with swords and bows or firearms, and lightly armored; but I'm sure it was smarter than it sounds to us at first.
There were always much more Janissaries than their opponents. The core itself reached around 70-80 000 men at its peak, which is more than most European armies at the time. Thats not counting yaya auxillaries, sipahis, combat engineers, backlines troops and bashi bozouk light infantry. They were feared due to the massacres they perpetrated systematically, and becaus eof their large pool of manpower. It was never a problem, since all Janissaries were essentially abducted Christian boys, and the Christian population in the Empire was always large.
@@TheTeodorsoldierabvb the devşirme ended in the early 17th century and the recruitment of the Janissaries at their peak numbers came from Muslims who joined not conscripts
@@Corvinuswargaming1444 It was abolished during Ahmed III's reign, so in the 1680s - 90s, the beginning of the end for Ottoman expansion and successes.
Havent watched this yet but just want to say thanks in advance. Many years ago I went to a streltsy museum in Moscow and wished this era had more representation.
Well, in fact, in Russia for a long time it was not possible to have a good cavalry. Because before the 18th century, war horses in Russia were imported from the steppe states and European countries. There was not enough fodder for its own horse breeding industry
@@DVXDemetrivs Тут нужны уточнения. В России ещё с 15 в. существовала Конюшенная Изба (министерство, учреждена Иваном III с резиденцией в Хорошее; в XVI в. преобразована в Конюшенный приказ, занимавшийся в т.ч. коневодством, разведением "царских" и "боярских" коней (для парадов, для тяжёлой конницы и др.), и в 17 веке было уже 16 государственных конезаводов, и целая "Конюшенная волость" для государевых табунов; но расцвет коневодства действительно наступил с начала 1700-х гг., когда Конюшенный приказ был реформирован в Конюшенную канцелярию, и стал учреждать конезаводы по всей стране (тогда появились и первые всемирно известные русские конные породы -- тяжеловесы, рысаки, Конюшенная школа (готовившая конезаводчиков, ветеринаров и др.), а к 19 веку Россия стала обладательницей почти половины мирового поголовья лошадей (25 млн. из 60 млн.). Т.к. все началось не 18 в., а раньше, -- иначе к 19 в. Россия не стала бы мировым лидером в конском поголовье.
Geography 101: Mainland Russia is forest country with a semi-Nordic climate (much like Canada), where the ground (and all the plants and weeds) are covered with snow at least 3 months a year. Ergo: not a horse country by design, unlike the Steppes that stretched farther to the east and south
@@ranting.russian I wonder why TH-cam censorship deleted my excursion into the history of Russian horse breeding (I made a selection from the period of the 15th century)? The purpose of TH-cam is for its customers to cook in their own conjectures, instead of objective facts?
@@Olga-de3ru TH-cam doesn't seem to mind all those Brit-made documentaries on WW2 with an evident soft spot for the Wehrmacht, but we all realize they have different standards for anything Russia-related ;)
@@agaggaabagGgagagagagGagagga It's in the Med 2 Total War mod Roar of Conquest. And War Wagons are also in some other Med 2 mods like Tsardoms Total War and Call of Warhammer. Sometimes they're very useful other times nearly useless.
A good example of the phrase "never fail to respect your enemy". They could have all sorts of tricks up their sleeve; after all, they could be just as ingenious as you.
1914: "Hey, what if we advanced to contact, dug in, established fire superiority, and THEN attacked? That's completely the Russian tradition." "Nyet! Rush forward with the bayonet only, regardless of the situation!"
Eastern Front being a hot mess at all times proves that there was merit to this change of pace Nothing new on the Western Front Shit hit the fan again in the Eastern Front Brusilov with a comically large cavalry army making a breakthrough the size of Spain be like:
Gee, I guess Russians were fighting at Soma then :D good luck digging in on a 1300 km long front, like it was in the east. Its not like Belgium, where you do a long spit and it lands in France or the Netherlands.
@TheTeodorsoldierabvb Not sure what "Soma" is, but you do realize that I'm talking about launching an attack at the tactical (battalion or regimental level), right? You don't "achieve fire superiority" at the level of a Front
@@ethanmckinney203 If you're not sure what Soma is then why are you trying to be smart :D its one of the biggest Western Front battles, where both sides and especially the English charged with bayonets across the open field. Casualties were so high they had to let commoners into the officer core :D imagine the shock! But of course, its Russia's that does it. Only :D
God I found this video profoundly fascinating, effective alternate strategies that are true alternatives rather than an evolution are really interesting and a rarity
The Han Dynasty (200s BC to 200s AD) actually used armored chariors/armored wagons to great effect in the Han Xiongnu wars as well. Their archers and crossbowmen would be stationed on top of the wagon forts where they were safe from cavalry charges and partially protected against arrows.
Looks a bit like the Oda-Tokugawa tactics at Nagashino. Both used field fortifications made of wood to blunt an enemy charge and maximise the advantages provided by ranged weapons. The only difference is that the Russian Guliai Gorod can be moved around.
so movement is the most important thing, stationary fortifications made of wood have been done very often throughout history, especially in places where there was no stone or clay (for bricks), but there was a lot of forest
After watching this video and also thinking of the Second Battle of Geonosis, is it possible to really improve and/or improvise the tactics of the wagon forts and gulial-gorod similar to the one during the Second Battle of Geonosis in real life as well?
I think anything would be better than what the republic pulled in that battle. However, that tactic was used in that battle in Point Rain by Obi-Wan's contingent using LA-ATs and AT-TEs.
@@lerneanlion Turns out, that using lightly armored gunships and Walkers with the bulk of their armor 4m in the air isn't ideal for field fortifications.
@@mill2712 I asked such a question because in my view, it's either wagon forts and trenches. And we all know no ones like living in trenches and fighting from there.
@@TheWampam So does digging, living and fighting by the trenches. I asked this qustion to find an alternative from using the trenches and hoping the wagon frots can provided one.
Interesting! I remember reading that’s also why I Iran a tradition of musket shooting developed that emphasized accuracy and range over rate of fire, since their main foes were horse archers.
@@ИгнатПонамарёвгуляй город не бродил по мостовой, а шел на вы потому не wandering town а ходючий (walking) или roaming (хз как на нусский перевести но че то между маршем и гулянием ордынцев по просторам Руси)
Странно что не упомянули Битку при Молодях. Так также использовался весьма эффективно Гуляй город. Вообще, насколько я знаю, это не наше новшество, у нас его подсмотрели и Германии вроде. А вообще хороший обзор, автор молодец.
Россия это бескрайние реки, холмы, долины, поля, поля, поля. Нельзя сражаться в чистом поле против конных лучников. Поэтому основаня тактика Руси это лёгкая подвижная кавалерия и много тяжеловооружённых лучников, готовых вступить в ближний бой после расходования всех стрел. Такая тактика обусловлена расположением Россия. Центр мира, центр двух идеологий, запада и востока. На западе тяжёлая пехота, тяжёлая кавалерия. На востоке много лёгкой кавалерии и лучников. Поэтому русская армия всю свою историю учитывает тактику и концепции запада и востока.
Russian cavalry before establishing of Empire always was troublesome branch of army. Before conquering Siberian and southern steppe, Russia did not had source for good horses and also had much worse profit from their serfs, then in Europe, because, ya know, climate. For example, you can make profitable agriculture 3 month longer in Normandy, then in Russia. So, it is just local result of the military tendency in Europe, when cavalry armour become heavier, but Russian nobility just did not had enough money to provide full plate-armour knight steel statue, and had lighter chainmails with some little plates.
More than half of the Russian cavalry wore Tatar-Mongolian-style armor and employed similar tactics the weakest armor was not made of metal or leather, but of fabric instead funnily enough it was called a "tegilyai" (mongol word) and it later fell under the classification of "vatniks" similar tactics were necessary to deal with the ever-so-present Mongol Hordes on their Mongol Horses™ oh yeah and we never really had any of these bloody leviathans that you lot call warhorses WeAk AsS CaVaLrY my ass weird ass *heavy cavalry* ? now that's more like it!
Interesting to compare the concept with pike & shot. I wonder (without much background in this area at all) if the later dominated in more settled and densely populated areas because it's more tactically aggressive and can directly seize ground by moving pike squares forward. This is advantageous when warfare is about controlling land, and field battles about clearing the way to the next siege. But in the steppes, and especially against fluid light cavalry armies, this is not really the aim. Rather than controlling land yourself, the more workable tactic is to deny it to the enemy. That way you can slowly push them back and logistically starve them out of a wider area. Mobile fortresses that can be used to project fire and prevent the enemy from making use of an area do that brilliantly, even if they would be less good at forcing an infantry army out of the way.
For someone lacking background in the area, you are grasping it fairly well. Another thing one has to take into account is sparse population density which in turn means that in Eastern Europe infantry and armies in general had to rely much more on their wagon trains to carry needed supplies and equipment. The tail-to-teeth ratio will be different than in Western Europe. *"That way you can slowly push them back and logistically starve them out of a wider area."* --- This is one point of your comment in which I think you missed the spot. But the video also didn't explain it well. Tabors are unable to deny terrain and supplies. In the stepps, only cavalry can. This is the tabor's greatest vulnerability. They can be easily cut off and starved by enemy cavalry force. That's why they need a cavalry screen to function. To forage and scout. This is why all Cossack uprisings against the Commonwealth failed until the Cossacks allied themselves with Tatars which could provide capable cavalry.
@@Velesus101 Thanks! The good thing about history is that a lot of the understanding gained about one period can be transferred (carefully, and with some modifications) to a new context without having to start completely from scratch. What I meant by the latter isn't that the Tabors themselves push the enemy back, but that a (grand) strategy that uses armies with Tabor's can do that in the long run. It allows armies to move between villages and towns safely so that they together form a single defensive network, rather than being taken out in detail. Over the long term, this leads to a sedentarisation of the landscape, making it more suited for settled armies and less ideal for nomadic-pastoralists. For precisely the population density reasons you mention.
Another aspect is the cost. During Ivan the 4th, several traditional pike and shoot regiments were organized, with European officers. It was found out that they require great training for coherent movement, so, required a regular force. It was found too expensive to maintain such force. Tabors, on the other hand, didn't require extensive maneuver training for infantry, thus, they were manned by strelets forces. They were regular men, who lived their normal lives but trained once a week and didn't receive any salary during a normal life, only tax quotas. It was much cheaper to maintain such force
@@ВячеславФролов-д7я Good point! I'd have thought that the logistical cots of Guiai-Gorods (and the need for draft animals to carry them) would be very high. But that's a "campaign only" cost, rather than a permanent one.
Warhammer 40,000. Russia, this is the IMPERIUM. The Emperor protects. People from the edge of the iron mountains and the taiga greet you, our manufactories choose iron from the depths of the earth for the glory of the Empire. Greetings from holy Terra, the world of beehive Moscow. Glory to the Emperor! Heresy will be defeated!
@@janaussiger4111 Present time West is slaaneshian, it is obvious. If Russia was a chaos power, it were Tzeentchean. Revisionist power, two revolutions in last 100 years.
@@xalekcey Soviets did not just fight for the Stalin or Motherland, they fought against literal genocide, and "For Stalin" and "For Motherland" was just used to boost morale. While in Warhammer, everyone dies for nothing and it never stops
@@eusouocarameuirmaoMy bad, you are right! It was an Arthas quote when he was in Northrend chasing the dreadlord Mal'Ganis. I initialy though Grom was saying this quote to his comrades during the Cenarius campaign!
Interesting… the romans used a mobile fort formation to move slowly across territory whilst under fire…. Of course, their walls were their iconic shields…. And the effectiveness of the British military square is a thing of legend
The Romans always lost to nomadic armies, based on horse archers, Remember the campaign of the legions of Marcus Crassus against the Parthians in a desert area, they were simply pelted with arrows day and night, and when they could not keep up, they were crushed by heavy cavalry with Cataphracts, Rome had no troops capable of resisting horse archers, This is the Second Rome =Constantinople thought of pitting or bribing some tribes with an army of horse archers against others
probably when the bayonet got improved and didn't hinder the muzzle of the gun and when the industrial capacity of nations was capable enough to produce enough firearms for every soldier. About the end of the 17th century!
As the number of guns increases, and the number of field artillery too, you see a transition towards thinner lines to maximize firepower and make themselves less vulnerable to cannonballs. The bayonet was the last evolution to make pikes redundant.
Take the battle to the Warhammer 40.000 universe and play Tacticus for free: play.tacticusgame.com/SandRhomanHistory
Any chances we can get more siege content?
edit for you : The Muscovite Alternative
@@adamradziwill +1
Can you post the bibliography you cited?
@@dennisivan85 it's in the description box. at the bottom!
Russia: I am the true heir of Roman Empire!
Everyone else: prove it!
Russia: I carry my forts everywhere with me.
They would have still needed to build the roads for those forts on the move just as the Roman legions needed to build the roads so they could march more easily towards non-Roman territory.
@@3baxcb Направления более чем достаточно
@@3baxcb >Builds roads
>Turns to mud half the year during rasputitsa
@@3baxcb welcome to the railroad military regiment. Russia XXI century. Still following traditions of the Roman Empire
@Elite_Tauren_Chieftain If they were following any traditions, much less Roman traditions, they wouldn't be having munitions and airfields getting bombed by drones hundreds of kilometers from the front.
Proof that Total War cheese tactics like sitting on the edge on the map are "Historically accurate"
Since the first two humans fought and one picked up a stick or a rock, we've always tried to get the advantage and stack things in our own favor, and why wouldn't we?😂
Insert the "if you found yourself in a fair fight..." quote
@@daniellxnder "...then you're a fool."
Funnily enough i was playing the Roar of Conquest mod last night and there's actually a unit called Gulay-Gorod in it !
Even funnier is what this translates into Filipino, my wife laughed when i showed it to her 🤣🤣
1 greek mercinary phallanx or whatever its called vs 2 full stack Roman armies.😂
In Renaissance Russia, fortresses attack you
I stole your joke in a different comment, my bad
In Renaissance civilization, nobody jumps for wandering city
More Baroque than Renaissance.
😂
I appreciate a good "in russia" joke
Everbody gangsta untill the town starts moving and shooting
on soul bruh
🤣🤣🤣
TC drop FTW!
@@calebnasiatka5711 Nah Castle drop much better
"The town just did a drive-by shooting."
"You mean someone DID a drive-by in the town?"
"No, I mean the TOWN did the drive-by shooting."
in Russia, bad neighborhood walk to you
@@kaleidomaidendead
Западенцы - играют в Вархаммер
Русские - живут в Вархаммере всю свою историю
Гооол
Everybody's gangsta until you see a tank in 16th century.
😂
Small/medium land-ship (according to party)
that's what i thought..tank of that time
@@xboya7643 *партия Советского Союза одобрила ваш комментарий товарищ, ждите миску риса и кошкажену
@@Более-длинный-псевдоним ты державу попутал
Но почти
When you're enemy is mostly horse archers with little field artillery wagonforts make far more sense than pike and shot. The Qing mauled both Ming and Korean pike and shot formations with their horse archers. The horse archer reigned supreme well into the 17th century in the eurasian steppes. The bulk of the polish cavalry relieving Vienna was made up of medium horse archers equipped in ottoman fashion.
WHEN THE WINGED HUSSARS ARRIVED!
...sorry... Needed to get out my system
*your
"Reigned supreme" is probably taking it a bit far. Horse archers remained _viable_ and could be fielded in large numbers by the type of societies that produced them, which made for decent armies that could perform very well when the stars aligned. But they were definitely losing the edge they had once held from at least the 15th Century onwards. Also worth bearing in mind that the far eastern pike & shot formations were lagging significantly behind westerns ones by the 17th Century, especially in the shot and artillery side of things.
Ming used to fight Mongolian with their version of wagon fortress, until they were crushed , well, by Qing's wagon fortress which has better fire power.
In the days war it go down the a big advantage because you can fit drone Jammers while operating your own optic cable drones.
Because of the war in Ukraine I have a timer and I did build some optic cable drones.
Before watching let me just say that the topic is amazing and criminally underrated
Fucking sex
Always remember, switching to your giant spear-axe is faster than reloading!
Game hints of the 16th century:
Bardiche
Guliai-Gorod is just its own version of Wagenburg
Russia at that time had a more interesting thing to protect against invasion from the steppes. "Zasechnaya cherta" Huge extended structures of forts, earthworks and wood, which can be called an analogue of the Chinese wall, the only difference is that it was not done with an emphasis on stone structures. The total length is more than 1000 kilometers
да до сих пор можно найти следы данных черт, например "вал Анны Иоанновны" до сих пор стоит под Волгоградом с равелиными и бастионами
@@СергейТурутин-ч6г на территориях между самарской и Татарстаном можно со спутника угадать более древние черты. По Татарстану замечал много земляных валов, но не уверен, что это не новейшее время
@@Hasmasnafg Все возможно. На территории степной евразии и европы в районе рек часто есть древние стены и валы. некоторые остались даже от тех времен когда письменности не существовала. У людей всегда была тяга к созданию чего то большего
And, because it wasn't built of brick or stone, it's all but gone now. I prefer the Chinese wall.
@@thecandlemaker1329 ok....but to say that this did not exist or that there are no traces of it is also wrong
Wagons: *start moving and speaking russian*
Horse archers: *chuckles* "i am in danger"
I'm impressed.
For the first time I come across a story about Russia that is not nonsense. Moreover, such a rare topic.
Thank you. You are the first to tell a reliable historical fact about my country
Then you are unlucky with the algorithm it seems, there are many great history channels and most of them cover various periods of Rus to Russian history.
@@INSANESUICIDE Indeed ! Many great English channels have covered Russian history including military very well for many years, it would be hard Not to find them.
@@INSANESUICIDEand even more lie and seem to be factual from a western biased perspective when in actuality they spread lies so others hate Russia
@@INSANESUICIDE I do not agree that a huge number of these channels about the history of Russia stopped in the sources for their topic on the history textbooks of the 19th century in rare cases of the early 20th. Which, to put it mildly, are outdated or even have no real relation to the history of Russia or Rus
@@IceniTotalWar ребят, вы конечно правы, но все же на аудиторию восточной европы почему-то часто предлагают каналы прям таки омерзительные... Если искать - то да, хорошие каналы можно найти, а вот именно по предложке льется отборный мусор. Это первый нормальный водеоролик, который мне подкинул алгоритм за 2 года... Остальное - трешак полный.
In russia, you dont attack fortress, fortress attack you
In Soviet Russia you dont siege fortress, fortress sieges YOU!
@@Andrey_Gysev KV-2 assault moment
На кого нападала Россия😊
@@СергейШерстов-п1е Всю свою историю россия вела бесконечные захватнические войны. Если посмотреть на карту россии- практически все регионы за пределами золотого кольца: чечня, дагестан, башкортостан, татарстан, карачаево-черкессия, тыва, да даже Новгород , ит.д. были захвачены военным путем.
"Эй, Пёс! Я слышал тебе нравятся кремли, так что мы прикрутили колеса к твоему кремлю, так что теперь ты можешь кремлить когда ты в пути!"
Боярин Э.К. Зибитский.
Translation:
"Yo dawg, i heard you like fortresses so we put wheels on your fortresses so you can fortress while you ride!"
Boyar E. X. Zibitsky
@@user-uq9se1nx9q *kremlins 🤗
I love how google translates it to Kremlin , im just thinkinf a dozen kremlins on wheels now 😂
@@danielomar9712 because that is exactly what i wrote. Kremlin is a type of castle in Russia\east Europe. Yes, most famous is Moscow kremlin but we do have others - like Tula kremlin, Tobol kremlin and Kazan kremlin.
@@alxsblv6164 Ohh , god it
Imagine trying to climb over an enemy field fortification to storm it, then you realise every enemy musketeer has a massive axe.
“It’s easy, when we see their musketeers, we charge into melee. We don’t want to be stuck fighting them at range.”
Later that day:
“Ranged. Ranged is fine.”
It's bad that this feature was not implemented in the Cossacks game. There, the streltsy are only an analogue of the European musketeers and use the axe only as a prop for the gun, while in reality there is no documented case of using axe in this way.
I am always so happy when SandRhoman posts video from the early modern period, thank you so much
I'd say "roaming" is probably a better word because "wandering" implies a lack of purpose, whereas to roam is to go where you want, which I think fits the meaning best.
They did have a lack of concise goals, they are opportunistic
@@lolasdm6959 No
@@skywillfindyou yes they operate independently they roam because a precise target is not often given
In russian that's exactly "wandering" (and I have no idea why)
@@geoserg6176Because "гулять" means "to go for a walk, wander" in Modern Russian. Back then, "гулять" meant "to move somewhere" in general.
In fact, a flat, open plain is sometimes called "разгул", as in "a place to walk".
Magnificent video!
Thank you from Russia 🇷🇺
Really, pikemen were not effective against tatar mounted archers. And what is more, to be effective, pikemen should be highly, professionally trained. Like in Spanish tercios. While Russian streltsi were busy not only with military service but with their own business like small trade and craft.
I would like to add that during XVI-most of XVII centuries the Russian tsardom was not rich enough to have a big professional army like Spain or France. The situation changed only in the 2nd half on XVII century when silver was found in Siberia.
However, experiments with western modelled professional troops like pike-and-shot infantry, dragoons and reitars (cuirassiers) started already before the Smolensk war 1632. Solder regiments of "new formation" were organised. They had russian clothes (caftan and colpack) like streltsi, but European weapons and tactics. A few years after 1632 all Moscow streltsi regiments adopted muskets and musketeer tactics too. Though, due to strong enemies' cavalries in that region, gulay-gorod was steel in use until the end of the XVII century.
Well, again, thank you for this really high quality video! Deep research work and cool videomaps of the battles - some of them are not animated even in Russian segment of Internet.
By the way, what about video about transformation of Russian cavalry during this period? Or about Siberian conquista battles and tactics?
Žižka aprooved 👍
Based and český pilled.
Call it guliai-gorod or a wagenburg - slavic ingenuity reigns supreme all the same :)
Still worked when the Boers got attacked by the Zulu.
@@wolfgangkranek376oh I bet it even worked on Oregon Trail lol
жижа есть?
Pike and Shot warfare my beloved we all miss you so!!!
It still exists today. Its called mines and ATGMs, and counters, more or less, the same target - steel cavalry.
@@LiezAllLiez no, modern technology doesn't favor direct clashes of large formations anymore.
@@lolasdm6959 Which is why modern wars are inconclusive and small conventional wars last for years, rather than days.
Go play some Total War, lots of mods devoted specifically to this period.
@@IceniTotalWar total war doesn't really portray pike and shot, they never quite got mixed formations right. They do it in a very lame way. For example pike and shot existed in Three Kingdoms period in China. How they represent this? They give every spearmen in the unit the ability to use a bow or crossbow. Which is not how they fought IRL.
"Sir, the tartars are attacking and the army is still beseiging Ikea"
"How's Boris my cousin at command?"
"Gudenuf"
Who will win:
Feared tartar horsemen, the scourge of the steppes, renown horse archers who bow for no man
or
One wooden russian hedgehog with concealed carry
Economy wins
@@Hasmasnafgok, let's compare economies then.
Who will win:
A massive slave-trading empire
OR
Peasants in the fields.
Honestly, those vans with guns also have defeated European knights just as well in Hussite wars
@@arktisch36экономика централизованного государства кратно сильнее и более устойчива в перспективе, с постоянным ростом.
В конечном счете кочевники были побеждены, а Русскому царству и российской империи удалось выстоять под натиском времени, при соседстве с великой степью 😮😊. Великая степь, как таковая, с недавних пор запомнилась независимыми государствами. Одна только Монголия сохраняет элементы кочевнической жизни и топят печи верблюжьим пометом, вместо угля, который сами же добывают 😂.
Кочевники остались на задворках истории!
@@arktisch36 let's compare economies then: shovel handle and a horse
Ye it means wandering town but I mean, not literally. You can't translate it literally because it's a figurative expression. Gulai is an imperative form of "wander" not an adjective like "wandering", so the saying literally says "wander, town", or a bit less literal "let the town wander".
interesting!
It’s amazing how nomadic armies which dominated the battlefield where near helpless against first stage gunpowder armies
Good point. It seems that gunpowder weapons used from cover are very effective against bow armed nomads. Which is kind of strange considering that the compound bow had a greater effective range and rate of fire than the early hand guns.
@@cliffordjensen8725I think the fact that compound bow demands way more training might be the main factor here. I am not sure why crossbows didn't provide the same effect though.
@@sodinc
Perhaps the nomads and their horses were intimidated by the thunder of the guns so to say
@@FranOfBattle hm, makes sense. Horses can be easily spooked by loud sounds if they are not specially trained
@@FranOfBattle Fog of war from early black powder as well
- But are the mobile walls as reliable as regular walls?
- They're Godunov!
Worth a 🤣🤣
It's like with a magic trick when magician stabs a box many times with a assistant inside. But instead of magician you have enemy crossbowmen/musketeers and instead of assistant you have a lot of angry Russians.
Godunov - good enough
Also to mention the Russian Tsardom did in fact use pike and shot armies.
The New Order Regiments started to be commissioned in 1630s.
Полки нового строя формировались преимуществено на западе, для обороны от польских, литовских и шведских армий применявших пикинеров и рейтар.
Связано это было и с тем, что эти полки комплектовались шведскими, шотландскими и голландскими офицерами, которые перенесли на русскую армию опыт тридцатилетней войны, когда аркебузиры набирались из слабо обученых крестьянских рекрутов.
Однако, стрелецкие полки, хотя и были вооружены алебардами помимо аркебуз, делали ставку на "стену огня" вместо пик. Поддерживая высокий темп стрельбы, благодаря хорошей выучке и тренеровкам, они останавливали кавалерию залпом, как это делала пехота уже в 18 веке. Если стрелецкий полк был вынужден взяться за пики, считалось что он плохо сражался и мало тренеровался скоростной стрельбе.
@@alexandrkovalev5082также дополню еще одной причиной: стрельцы хоть и были часто проффессионалтными стрелками, но они часто участвовали в бунтах, мятежах и государственных переворотах, что делало их двольно опасными для правительства
A friendly tip: Potocki should be pronounced "pototsky", not "potoky".
Friendly tip as in : it grated my ears every time I heard this. Because I can relate 😌
@@Alex.HFA1 yep. as a russian i hear massive mispronunciations of everything russian all the times in these videos, but i just dont sweat. why would i.
For those of us who are curious, is that a rule across other Russian words? That words transliterated into the English Latin script, which end in"cki" should be pronounced like that?
@@Eamonshort1
Potocki is a Polish name.
Russian names, e.g. Dostoyevsky, Tukhachevsky (in Russian they are written with the suffix "ский"), are read "skeey".
@@crazyharkonnen okay, I was even more ignorant than I thought. Thank you for putting up with me and explaining it. It is appreciated.
At last, the themes of early modern military tactics are back; in this case it is striking, as well as funny, that it was the Russians in the steppes who managed to adapt the Hussite Tactics to the type of modern warfare with muskets, while the Czechs and Slovaks failed to give it a long-term use beyond the 15th century.
Although, to be fair, the fact that in Western Europe the extensive use of infantry was normalized after the Battle of Pavia in 1525, made a tactic like that of the Hussites lose all sense (because it was a way of fighting against cavalry, above all), something that never happened in Eastern Europe (because cavalry was still very important until the end of the 17th century). Anyway, in this video you can see examples that the tactics of Guliali-gorod could work relatively well against infantry armies, although it was not entirely common.
There were no horse archers in western Europe, and this is in fact an ultimatum warrior, even long after the invention of firearms and gunpowder, there were not so many professional archers in Europe, also good riders, and there were whole nations in their steppes
Вы путаете причину и следствие. Собственно изрядная часть армии гуситов состояла из огромного сборища славян. Часть из них казачила в степи и привезла с собой соответствующую тактику. Собственно вагенбург и гуляй-город это очень древняя тактика возникшая одновременно с появлением повозок. Просто первые упоминания о ней в контексте западной военной историографии началось с гуситских войн, когда рыцарская конница западного образца встретилась в бою с оборонительной тактикой торговых караванов в степи.
The Hussite tactics failed even before Pavia. During the War of the Succession of Landshut in 1504 the Bohemian mercenaries fighting in Hussite style were defeated by the Landsknechte who used field artillery to blast their wagon fort open before storming it at the battle of Wenzenbach.
I'm surprised that the tactics devolved from utilising cover to just standing in ranks shooting at each other in wigs
Вряд ли автор прочтет,тем более придется воспользоваться гугл переводчиком,но как раз в гуляй городе и крылась одна из основных слабостей русской пехоты,они были великолепны в обороне,но почти бесполезны в атаке.Собственно поэтому и пришлось Алексею Михаиловичу,царю Тишайшему),проводить военную реформу и создавать войска нового строя.И 1630 годов в русской армии появляются пикинерские роты.Правда количество пикинеров,было пропорционально не велико,примерно 2 роты из 10.
Слабость русских в атаке и несокрушимость в обороне идёт из национального характера. Поэтому наш Бог войны - артиллерия, сразу как появилась.
@@ЕвгенийРжавцев Ага расскажите об этом Суворову,почему то при нем, и под его руководством,реформированная по европейскому образцу русская армия,умудрялась даже крепости брать меньшим числом и без арт поддержки.Про тот же Туртукай почитайте к примеру,1 его подвиг,про штурм Измаила,хотя тут конечно артиллерия поработала на славу).Так что не надо приплетать характер,там где вопрос касается вооружения и обучения.Характер скорее в том ,что русские боле стойко переносили осады,это да,Но тут момент скорее связанный,с привычкой воинов,в том числе и дворян к суровым условиям в походах.
@@УральскийСлон , спасибо за ответ. Но Куликово поле, Молоди, Полтава, Бородино и Сталинград с Курской дугой - главные переломные битвы: это те, где русские стояли, перемалывая врага, а уже потом добили в преследовании.
@@ЕвгенийРжавцев Согласен,)ну так это еще по фон Клаузефицу(если правильно написал)если есть возможность всегда лучше сражаться от обороны,да еще и построив полевые укрепления.потери раз в 5 меньше),ну или хотя бы в 3.
Он кстати упомянул вскользь. Англицкий гость был свидетелем стычки, и прокомментировал как они не могли пробить по нам, но и мы (город)были неспособны
Кстати в связи с этой темой рекомендую к прочтению книги Алексея Лобина "Артиллерия Ивана Грозного" и "Пушки смуты". Есть ещё " Артиллерия Романовых" но это уже по времени несколько позже да.
I recommend reading Alexey Lobin's book "Artillery of Ivan the Terrible" and "Guns of the Troubles". There is also the "Romanov Artillery", but this is already somewhat later in time.
As one of my characters in my (still unfinished) novel says: "Fair fight is for morons and suiciders. Generals are not here to ensure a fair fight, but to ensure an unfair one."
Не льсти себе.. "Правила ведения войны.. Это говорят полные идиоты. У войны нет правил.. Бей первым.. На отмашь.. Пока противник не захлебнеться кровью.. Потом добей поверженного.. Любая подлость и преступление на поле боя ими не является, если они приносят победу.. " 17 век. Слова уж не помню какого английского адмирала.. 😂
8:01 don't say those Sabathon song didn't start playing in your head
Run from it, hide from. Sabaton songs arrive into history videos just the same...
It did not
Yes!
Who is this Sabaton ?
@@zuundasz1700 They are an almost 20 year old power metal band that make songs almost exclusively about historical events, and especially battles and such. Winged Hussars, Last Stand, Bismark, Unkillable Soldier... are some of the tracks you here or see referenced a lot in history buff circles.
Normal people: Use pikes
Russians: Just carry around a fort
Turns out it was not just them, similar tactics were used not just by Hussites but also Hungarians, Ottomans, Persians and even the Mughals in India.
Rather it was these western weirdos with just their pikes
@@ZS-rw4qq Also both Poles and Russians made use of pike so... one doesn't exclude the other.
@@ZS-rw4qq I know
@@Velesus101 point taken!
@@ZS-rw4qq Seems like the Ottomans, Safavids and Mughals were the only ones not bothering with hardcore pike formations. They had polearm troops to protect their firearm infantry, but it wasn't a big part of their infantry doctrine. I guess it had to do with them fighting their toughest battles in horse archer friendly terrain.
Far eastern factions not bordering the steppes fielded pike and shot like everybody else. It's the logical evolution. Light missile troops need polearm troops to protect them from shock. And since gunpowder made shields obsolete polearm troops would like a longer polearm.
Potocki and Lubomirski: surrender! We have you surrounded!
Sheremetyev: NUH-UH, WATCH THIS!
The word "gorod" (town) in Russian comes from the word "ograda" (fence). That is, it is a settlement protected by walls.
For example, a "ogorod" (vegetable garden) = a territory fenced off from pets.
Therefore, a more correct translation into English is a "walking fence" (not a town).
movable fence. Not "walking fence"
Он правильно перевёл. Просто в русском языке город и стена понятия неразрывно связаны. Грубо говоря нет города без стены)
@@ЕгорШапран-к2о в данном конкретном случае перевод неверный
Hello, I am Russian! Magnificent overview, thank you so much!
Gulyay Gorod- the walking-carryinh fortress was used on Battle of Molodi in 1572 and saved Russia by this. Russian army was a 20.000, a outnumbered of Khanate and Ottoman armies, winned those war.
Weill, thank you! I really enjoyed the video. It's very interesting to see the western view on my native history. I've never met the exact classification of our Gulai-Gorods in russian studies, but it was very interesting to listen. I guess one of the most important battles in Russian history in which Gulai Gorod tactic had a key role was the Battle of Molody in 1572. I would strongly recommend to look at it as it was the turning point for Moscow and Russian Tsardom no doubt. And one more note, just for information. Polish hetman's name Stanislav Potocki should be pronounsed Po-to-TS-ki, with "c" sounds like a "ts" in Tsushima.
При Молофьях))) ахаха)). При Молодях!)
Молофьёй залили татар крымских)))
The fact they had MOBILE fortress just screams "tanks!" to me lol
This tactic has shown its real potential in battle of Molodi 1572. Recommend to read
"битва при Молодях" or smth "battle of Molodi" is far more greater example of use of gulyai-gorod (гуляй-город)
i suggest you looking into that. it one of the coolest battles ever and by its importance is easily top 1-3 in Russian history
also gulyai gorods or tabors were used by Hussites during Hus wars in czechia
uhm, how about you watch the video. you'd find out that this is literally coverd in the video. and no, this is not the same thing as the hussites did.
This shows us again that there's no "best" tactic or weapon. It all depends on who you're fighting, and where you're fighting them.
Improvisation is the key.
In the Russian word Gorod emphasis is on the first "o": gOrod.
"guard" is a variation of the same word
@@РомаПетров-ж1нyep, both words have come from Proto Indo European *gʰerdʰ, which means to encircle or enclose. But the ways how they end up in modern languages are different.
In Russian there's also a word "ogorod" - a vegetable garden. It also usually separated with "ograda" - fence. As well as a typical gorod - town with a wall. That's why one of the names of the land is Garðaríki. It's funny to think all these words have the same root.
chill, bro. nobody cares about russian language anymore
@@andrewwolles1429 By the way, words "town" and "тын" (tyn) are of same root and original meaning (fence).
0:15 - Are you kidding me? In Russia, a spear has been used since ancient times and it was called Rogatina. It is so popular that even now it is possible to notice at some hunters of amateurs that very spear-Rogatina.
Very enlightening. In medieval Sweden we had a tradition of making "brötar", which were log fortifications that let militia face down Danish mercenaries most of the time - but they were static and vulnerable to outflanking. This continued into the 16C and often led to pyric victories for the Danes - they won the battle but were delayed and took heavy losses fighting Swedish irregular forces that didn't cost the Swedish state much. It did cost farmer lives, but those were considered cheap back then. I hate to admit it, but it seems the Russians were better than us at this. But their tactics would not work in the forests of Sweden and Finland - too seasy to ambush a wagon train, and they'd be vulnerable travel along the rare road.
This video is certainly a much-needed voice in a historical debate on Early Modern Warfare and the Pike&Shot period not always being so... Pike&Shot. There is no surprise that out of all the TH-cam channels out there, it is your channel that is the first to touch this topic in depth. You guys are definitely ahead of the curve. Much respect for that. However, I definitely have my fair share of remarks.
The video, perhaps because of the source material definitely appears very Russia-centric. Although it is made clear in the latter part of the video that tabors weren't exclusively a Russian thing it almost appears it was. The absence of Cossacks in the video is concerning. Especially since wagon-forts/tabor/gulay-gorods were their primary way of warfare which they learned from the armies of the Commonwealth and dear I say perfected it.
The tabor marching order as depicted in the video is very simplified. A shame since it was described in great detail in military treatises of the era like *"Consilium Rationis Bellicae"* written by no other but Jan Amor Tarnowski which you mentioned in your video.
The video also makes it look like Tabors In Central-Eastern Europe were used instead of Pike&Shot formations while in reality they were used side by side by both Muscovy and Commonwealth.
Finally, the army led by Sheremetev *DIDN'T* get away. The Cundnów campaign ended in complete catastrophe for the Russian army and could be a case study for limitations of tabor/gulay-gorods.
Which brings me to the final gripe. You didn't discuss any failed attempts of using guliai gorods/tabors and what weaknesses/problems were encountered while utilizing them.
In short, I treat this video as an appetizer, which definitely left me hungry for more and I hope you guys plan on unpacking this topic in more detail in the future. As I'm sure time constraints and video formula simply didn't allow you to do it in one go. Cheers!
Youll be pleased to know that there is a previous video on this channel all about the hussites c:
@@profeseurchemical he's obviously Polish don't give it too much thought. He literally cannot help going into a video about Russian history and seething that Poland isn't mentioned as much as possible. If you've been around places on the internet where Eastern Euros inhabit you will become very familiar with this phenomenon.
@@LiterallyWho1917 Poland received sufficient coverage in previous videos. I am more concerned about the absence of Cossacks and details about the tabor marching order. I literally wrote that they (the cossacks) *MASTERED* it. Somehow I am still accused of Polish bias... like WTF?
@@Velesus101you know, majority of cossacs served to tsars
@@PyromaN93 They didn't. Cossacks fall into two major groups. Zaporozhian Cossacks and Don Cossacks.
Zaporozhian Cossacks, since the establishment of the first Sitch were pretty independent but mostly aligned with the Commonwealth and were employed by Polish nobility.
And it was the Zaporozhian Cossacks who were famous for their employ of wagon forts.
Greeks in 1821 vs ottomans used tabors. Basically they were small walls and and earthworks but vs undisciplined bashi bazuks were effective
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Music choice is great 🔥
The particular medieval / early modern focus of your channel really tickles my brain in the perfect way, I love learning about the warfare of this period
I love your channel because you cover niche and fascinating topics in an interesting period. Thanks for what you do.
dang kind of reminds me of hussites and sometimes janeissaries
Have you maybe watched the part of the video that discussed hussites and janissaries?
@@sodinc no, i'm saving this video for later on the bus.
Well most if not all janissaries were kidnapped from orthodox Christian nations like Russia so that would be why
@@david-468 I doubt that children even in those times were particulary familiar with military tactics. And the Janissaries were taken from Christian families in conquered countries as kids being "blood tax" fee.
@@ВасилийПупкин-т2т well I was more so meaning later in life returning to there motherland but actually they would sometimes hold older boys “hostage” a 14 year old for example, he would’ve learned a little about his own country’s military especially if he was born to a nobility
Fantastic work as always, the best source on TH-cam for Eastern Europe armies
amazing how video games and movies made us believe muskets are a big jump from arrows, but in reality musket bullets can't go through wood
so are arrows. A 6mm wood laminate is enough to protect against arrows. Not sure about longbow and heavier crossbows, but they aren't that many.
Muskets and other guns came from cannons
Cannons were the turning point
Before, you had these weird ass weak unreliable trebuchets and catapults that had to be built only after the start of the siege due to their weight and the complex logistics that came with them
Then you had these cannons that were practically ranged battering rams/stronger ballistae
And then they replaced archers as the main source of (comparably) long range combat
There is a reason why cannons were integrated into the newly formed Russian army before muskets and arquebuses
and it's not the fact that cannons simply predecessed them
But there is one thing Musket balls can do
Splinters , wood cracks from the force , and splinters as as dangerous
The first muskets were very inaccurate. This is their main problem. Therefore, they fired a volley in the hope of a positive outcome. In addition, they were very slow (they took a long time to recharge), but as soon as the first musket was invented, it marked the sunset of the bow. The bow is a good weapon, but it has reached its peak and had nowhere else to develop. Unlike powder guns.
@@DedHobbit muskets are still reliant on accuracy by volume of fire unless the musket is rifled. It's just that, as long as local government is willing to pay the expenses of foundry for firearms, they can field more shooters than they can replaced archers.
The Russians seem to have always been pretty good at building fortifications and defensive lines... Also, would be cool if you covered the Ottoman tactics against pike and shot (which were somewhat similar, at least from what I know).
EDIT : nevermind me, I finished watching the video.
Try watching the video before commenting next time, you'd look like less of a tool.
"Russian troops are manually changing the terrain prior to the battle in order to make their enemy get lost on the battlefield" - old joke about typical russian field fortifications scope
Два солдата из стройбата заменяют экскаватор
Ottomans never found any counter to pike and shoot,that's why they kept on taking L's.
@@ФедяКрюков-в6ь our soldiers paint grass green for a reason
Excellent! A handy way to combine tactics and logistics. I will definitely include wagon-type fortifications in my novel, should I ever get around to writing it.
History of the art of warfare is my biggest passion in history. My dream is to build a big ass museum with all blades, pikes, muskets, artillery pieces, uniforms from all eras of history that would show the evolution of warfare
Why would a museum dedicated to big asses have any of that stuff?
Why would a museum dedicated to big asses have any of that stuff?
I cannot tell you how thankful I am for this video, I’ve been doing substantial research into Muscovite Expansion and Logistics and this just is the cherry on top of the sundae! Thank you so much!!!!
more love Novgorodis because Russians oldest city is Novgorod though
@@shadowops4509Старая Ладога намного старше.
I'll just say that The Mantle is one of the best albums ever produced
@@nebojsarodic1720 well recognized lmao, heard their back together now and I’m excited for their new shit.
Please make a video about Ottoman doctrine in this era. I know it has some similarity, but it must go way deeper. I've always been curious how the Ottomans stayed dominant in their turf during the Western age of pike and shot, with a completely different doctrine. I've heard they had a much higher proportion of (sipahi) cavalry, and the infantry relied heavily on prepared positions, but I'd love to learn more, and anything their generals wrote about theory.
I've always wondered how janissaries were so feared while they were fighting with swords and bows or firearms, and lightly armored; but I'm sure it was smarter than it sounds to us at first.
most of the popular secondary books on Ottoman warfare are bad and the videos on TH-cam about it are worse
There were always much more Janissaries than their opponents. The core itself reached around 70-80 000 men at its peak, which is more than most European armies at the time. Thats not counting yaya auxillaries, sipahis, combat engineers, backlines troops and bashi bozouk light infantry. They were feared due to the massacres they perpetrated systematically, and becaus eof their large pool of manpower. It was never a problem, since all Janissaries were essentially abducted Christian boys, and the Christian population in the Empire was always large.
@@TheTeodorsoldierabvb the devşirme ended in the early 17th century and the recruitment of the Janissaries at their peak numbers came from Muslims who joined not conscripts
@@Corvinuswargaming1444 It was abolished during Ahmed III's reign, so in the 1680s - 90s, the beginning of the end for Ottoman expansion and successes.
@@TheTeodorsoldierabvb that isn’t what I’m talking about
Yeah! Jan Zizka! My favorite military history figure.
Havent watched this yet but just want to say thanks in advance.
Many years ago I went to a streltsy museum in Moscow and wished this era had more representation.
I learned more than I expected, very good video.
Overlooked subject, awesome vid
There is something special about his pronunciation of guliai-gorod for a Russian like me
Maybe in With Fire and Sword mode for M2TW
Он неправильно перевёл
great video as always!
Everybody: "Why don't you just use cavalry to deal with the Tartars?"
Russia: "Is harder than you would think to ride bear."
"What?"
Well, in fact, in Russia for a long time it was not possible to have a good cavalry. Because before the 18th century, war horses in Russia were imported from the steppe states and European countries. There was not enough fodder for its own horse breeding industry
@@DVXDemetrivs Тут нужны уточнения.
В России ещё с 15 в. существовала Конюшенная Изба (министерство, учреждена Иваном III с резиденцией в Хорошее; в XVI в. преобразована в Конюшенный приказ, занимавшийся в т.ч. коневодством, разведением "царских" и "боярских" коней (для парадов, для тяжёлой конницы и др.), и в 17 веке было уже 16 государственных конезаводов, и целая "Конюшенная волость" для государевых табунов; но расцвет коневодства действительно наступил с начала 1700-х гг., когда Конюшенный приказ был реформирован в Конюшенную канцелярию, и стал учреждать конезаводы по всей стране (тогда появились и первые всемирно известные русские конные породы -- тяжеловесы, рысаки, Конюшенная школа (готовившая конезаводчиков, ветеринаров и др.), а к 19 веку Россия стала обладательницей почти половины мирового поголовья лошадей (25 млн. из 60 млн.).
Т.к. все началось не 18 в., а раньше, -- иначе к 19 в. Россия не стала бы мировым лидером в конском поголовье.
Geography 101: Mainland Russia is forest country with a semi-Nordic climate (much like Canada), where the ground (and all the plants and weeds) are covered with snow at least 3 months a year. Ergo: not a horse country by design, unlike the Steppes that stretched farther to the east and south
@@ranting.russian I wonder why TH-cam censorship deleted my excursion into the history of Russian horse breeding (I made a selection from the period of the 15th century)?
The purpose of TH-cam is for its customers to cook in their own conjectures, instead of objective facts?
@@Olga-de3ru TH-cam doesn't seem to mind all those Brit-made documentaries on WW2 with an evident soft spot for the Wehrmacht, but we all realize they have different standards for anything Russia-related ;)
serfs wake up, new sandrhomanhistory video dropped
Это было в сотню раз информативнее чем в моих школьных учебниках истории)))
I discovered guliai gorod while playing Realism Invictus. pretty stronk ngl
I discovered it through playing Total War Med 2 mods.
Guliai gorod was cut from main game 😔@@IceniTotalWar
@@agaggaabagGgagagagagGagagga It's in the Med 2 Total War mod Roar of Conquest.
And War Wagons are also in some other Med 2 mods like Tsardoms Total War and Call of Warhammer.
Sometimes they're very useful other times nearly useless.
A good example of the phrase "never fail to respect your enemy". They could have all sorts of tricks up their sleeve; after all, they could be just as ingenious as you.
Interesting, thank you!
I love the vibe of this channel, keep it up!
1914:
"Hey, what if we advanced to contact, dug in, established fire superiority, and THEN attacked? That's completely the Russian tradition."
"Nyet! Rush forward with the bayonet only, regardless of the situation!"
Eastern Front being a hot mess at all times proves that there was merit to this change of pace
Nothing new on the Western Front
Shit hit the fan again in the Eastern Front
Brusilov with a comically large cavalry army making a breakthrough the size of Spain be like:
@The-jy3yq You're not reading the words that I wrote; You're responding to something different.
Gee, I guess Russians were fighting at Soma then :D good luck digging in on a 1300 km long front, like it was in the east. Its not like Belgium, where you do a long spit and it lands in France or the Netherlands.
@TheTeodorsoldierabvb Not sure what "Soma" is, but you do realize that I'm talking about launching an attack at the tactical (battalion or regimental level), right? You don't "achieve fire superiority" at the level of a Front
@@ethanmckinney203 If you're not sure what Soma is then why are you trying to be smart :D its one of the biggest Western Front battles, where both sides and especially the English charged with bayonets across the open field. Casualties were so high they had to let commoners into the officer core :D imagine the shock! But of course, its Russia's that does it. Only :D
God I found this video profoundly fascinating, effective alternate strategies that are true alternatives rather than an evolution are really interesting and a rarity
Great video! Would love to hear more of Russian history. Thank you :)
The Han Dynasty (200s BC to 200s AD) actually used armored chariors/armored wagons to great effect in the Han Xiongnu wars as well. Their archers and crossbowmen would be stationed on top of the wagon forts where they were safe from cavalry charges and partially protected against arrows.
Looks a bit like the Oda-Tokugawa tactics at Nagashino. Both used field fortifications made of wood to blunt an enemy charge and maximise the advantages provided by ranged weapons. The only difference is that the Russian Guliai Gorod can be moved around.
so movement is the most important thing, stationary fortifications made of wood have been done very often throughout history, especially in places where there was no stone or clay (for bricks), but there was a lot of forest
RUST “walls PvP” are historically accurate
After watching this video and also thinking of the Second Battle of Geonosis, is it possible to really improve and/or improvise the tactics of the wagon forts and gulial-gorod similar to the one during the Second Battle of Geonosis in real life as well?
I think anything would be better than what the republic pulled in that battle.
However, that tactic was used in that battle in Point Rain by Obi-Wan's contingent using LA-ATs and AT-TEs.
@@lerneanlion Turns out, that using lightly armored gunships and Walkers with the bulk of their armor 4m in the air isn't ideal for field fortifications.
Just watched that battle covered by Wizards & Warriors.
@@mill2712 I asked such a question because in my view, it's either wagon forts and trenches. And we all know no ones like living in trenches and fighting from there.
@@TheWampam So does digging, living and fighting by the trenches. I asked this qustion to find an alternative from using the trenches and hoping the wagon frots can provided one.
Interesting! I remember reading that’s also why I Iran a tradition of musket shooting developed that emphasized accuracy and range over rate of fire, since their main foes were horse archers.
The literal translation is not "wandering town", it's "walk(ing) town" in imperative.
Гулять - to walk; Город - city/town
Нормально он перевёл, по смыслу wandering town ближе
@@ИгнатПонамарёвгуляй город не бродил по мостовой, а шел на вы
потому не wandering town а ходючий (walking) или roaming (хз как на нусский перевести но че то между маршем и гулянием ордынцев по просторам Руси)
@@ИгнатПонамарёв "Wandering" подразумевает незнание куда направляется, то есть отсутствие плана.
Чего пристали? Это вообще историзм
7:38 That’s amazing, these are pre-steam engine tanks 😂 so cool
Странно что не упомянули Битку при Молодях. Так также использовался весьма эффективно Гуляй город. Вообще, насколько я знаю, это не наше новшество, у нас его подсмотрели и Германии вроде. А вообще хороший обзор, автор молодец.
Ah mój ulubiony polski hetman Dżerzi Lubomirski
Cool video dude!
Pike men would have been useless to Russia - as the Tartar horse archers would shot them down.
Россия это бескрайние реки, холмы, долины, поля, поля, поля.
Нельзя сражаться в чистом поле против конных лучников.
Поэтому основаня тактика Руси это лёгкая подвижная кавалерия и много тяжеловооружённых лучников, готовых вступить в ближний бой после расходования всех стрел.
Такая тактика обусловлена расположением Россия. Центр мира, центр двух идеологий, запада и востока.
На западе тяжёлая пехота, тяжёлая кавалерия. На востоке много лёгкой кавалерии и лучников.
Поэтому русская армия всю свою историю учитывает тактику и концепции запада и востока.
Very interesting indeed
The history and development of the Gentry cavalry of Russia would be interesting.
Russian cavalry before establishing of Empire always was troublesome branch of army. Before conquering Siberian and southern steppe, Russia did not had source for good horses and also had much worse profit from their serfs, then in Europe, because, ya know, climate. For example, you can make profitable agriculture 3 month longer in Normandy, then in Russia. So, it is just local result of the military tendency in Europe, when cavalry armour become heavier, but Russian nobility just did not had enough money to provide full plate-armour knight steel statue, and had lighter chainmails with some little plates.
More than half of the Russian cavalry wore Tatar-Mongolian-style armor and employed similar tactics
the weakest armor was not made of metal or leather, but of fabric instead
funnily enough it was called a "tegilyai" (mongol word) and it later fell under the classification of "vatniks"
similar tactics were necessary to deal with the ever-so-present Mongol Hordes on their Mongol Horses™
oh yeah and we never really had any of these bloody leviathans that you lot call warhorses
WeAk AsS CaVaLrY my ass
weird ass *heavy cavalry* ? now that's more like it!
finally good content
Interesting to compare the concept with pike & shot. I wonder (without much background in this area at all) if the later dominated in more settled and densely populated areas because it's more tactically aggressive and can directly seize ground by moving pike squares forward. This is advantageous when warfare is about controlling land, and field battles about clearing the way to the next siege. But in the steppes, and especially against fluid light cavalry armies, this is not really the aim. Rather than controlling land yourself, the more workable tactic is to deny it to the enemy. That way you can slowly push them back and logistically starve them out of a wider area. Mobile fortresses that can be used to project fire and prevent the enemy from making use of an area do that brilliantly, even if they would be less good at forcing an infantry army out of the way.
For someone lacking background in the area, you are grasping it fairly well. Another thing one has to take into account is sparse population density which in turn means that in Eastern Europe infantry and armies in general had to rely much more on their wagon trains to carry needed supplies and equipment. The tail-to-teeth ratio will be different than in Western Europe.
*"That way you can slowly push them back and logistically starve them out of a wider area."* --- This is one point of your comment in which I think you missed the spot. But the video also didn't explain it well. Tabors are unable to deny terrain and supplies. In the stepps, only cavalry can. This is the tabor's greatest vulnerability. They can be easily cut off and starved by enemy cavalry force. That's why they need a cavalry screen to function. To forage and scout. This is why all Cossack uprisings against the Commonwealth failed until the Cossacks allied themselves with Tatars which could provide capable cavalry.
@@Velesus101 Thanks! The good thing about history is that a lot of the understanding gained about one period can be transferred (carefully, and with some modifications) to a new context without having to start completely from scratch.
What I meant by the latter isn't that the Tabors themselves push the enemy back, but that a (grand) strategy that uses armies with Tabor's can do that in the long run. It allows armies to move between villages and towns safely so that they together form a single defensive network, rather than being taken out in detail. Over the long term, this leads to a sedentarisation of the landscape, making it more suited for settled armies and less ideal for nomadic-pastoralists. For precisely the population density reasons you mention.
@@QuantumHistorian In that case you are spot on.
Another aspect is the cost. During Ivan the 4th, several traditional pike and shoot regiments were organized, with European officers. It was found out that they require great training for coherent movement, so, required a regular force. It was found too expensive to maintain such force. Tabors, on the other hand, didn't require extensive maneuver training for infantry, thus, they were manned by strelets forces. They were regular men, who lived their normal lives but trained once a week and didn't receive any salary during a normal life, only tax quotas. It was much cheaper to maintain such force
@@ВячеславФролов-д7я Good point! I'd have thought that the logistical cots of Guiai-Gorods (and the need for draft animals to carry them) would be very high. But that's a "campaign only" cost, rather than a permanent one.
Great content! Keep up the good work! I am hoping a new Total War or EU5 will implement this age well.
Warhammer 40,000.
Russia, this is the IMPERIUM.
The Emperor protects.
People from the edge of the iron mountains and the taiga greet you, our manufactories choose iron from the depths of the earth for the glory of the Empire.
Greetings from holy Terra, the world of beehive Moscow.
Glory to the Emperor! Heresy will be defeated!
Nah, Russians are chaos legions. Putin is a Slaanesh worshiper
@@janaussiger4111 Present time West is slaaneshian, it is obvious. If Russia was a chaos power, it were Tzeentchean. Revisionist power, two revolutions in last 100 years.
While I'm in love with Imperium from Warhammer, I'm not sure if I'm happy seeing Russia compared to it
@@Piece-Of-Time But it's true. The universe does not depend on whether you like it or not. The facts tell us the opposite.
@@xalekcey Soviets did not just fight for the Stalin or Motherland, they fought against literal genocide, and "For Stalin" and "For Motherland" was just used to boost morale. While in Warhammer, everyone dies for nothing and it never stops
Спасибо бро, очень интересно было послушать)))
15:15 _"To hell with the undead! We'll cut our way through the woods, men!"_
I didn't expect a Grom Hellscream Warcraft III quote here but the place is full of men of culture!
@@TeutonicEmperor1198 The quote actually belongs to the "Captain" from the Human campaign, but i appreciate the sentiment all the same :)
@@eusouocarameuirmaoMy bad, you are right! It was an Arthas quote when he was in Northrend chasing the dreadlord Mal'Ganis.
I initialy though Grom was saying this quote to his comrades during the Cenarius campaign!
@@TeutonicEmperor1198 not Arthas, but rather his captain, as mentioned in my previous comment
I only knew it from the Total War Warcraft mod !
Interesting… the romans used a mobile fort formation to move slowly across territory whilst under fire…. Of course, their walls were their iconic shields…. And the effectiveness of the British military square is a thing of legend
The Romans always lost to nomadic armies, based on horse archers, Remember the campaign of the legions of Marcus Crassus against the Parthians in a desert area, they were simply pelted with arrows day and night, and when they could not keep up, they were crushed by heavy cavalry with Cataphracts, Rome had no troops capable of resisting horse archers, This is the Second Rome =Constantinople thought of pitting or bribing some tribes with an army of horse archers against others
when did warfare transition from pike and shot to massed line formations?
probably when the bayonet got improved and didn't hinder the muzzle of the gun and when the industrial capacity of nations was capable enough to produce enough firearms for every soldier. About the end of the 17th century!
As the number of guns increases, and the number of field artillery too, you see a transition towards thinner lines to maximize firepower and make themselves less vulnerable to cannonballs. The bayonet was the last evolution to make pikes redundant.
When you are content to be simply yourself and don't compare or compete, everybody will respect you.
A Monday video drop?!? That's heresy, but I'll take it