Would love to see these blowers tested on some of the larger dispacement 6 cylinders. Ford 240/300, GM 4.3 v6, maybe the 4.3 v8 too. Also on some popular 4 cylinders if possible.
@@Dan-gj1hz it would require a bit more, not a ton though. The Ford 300 efi intake could be adapted for this pretty easily I think, as far as the 4.3 V6 goes, take a sbc intake for blowers, cut two runners off, close the holes and make an adapter plate for the blower. The 4 cylinders would be a little harder, there are a few blower manifolds for a few different 4 cylinders but not many.
I'm going to put mine on a plenum that feeds a 3" tube to the intercooler then intake. A setup like that will make it easier to run on anything inline. Maybe not v engines.
I’ve not seen a single one in a junk yard. Damn it lol! Great video and test. My first serious girlfriend drove a sc thunderbird way back when. Dang it was fun
There's a dude that got 12 psi from 2 on the same engine, factory pulley side to side on a old ford v8. Its carbed. So I'm assuming that on the ls with a water heat exchanger and replacing the pulley you could get good performance out of it
Great video Richard! You really got me thinking about building a blower baseplate to carb spacer to mount on a 4bbl sbc intake and carb on top. Thanks for all the inspiration. Also ever think about doing a mikuni draw thru turbie on the metro?
I had always wanted to take two m90s and stick them on a ^ shaped intake with one on each side and a tensioner pulley in the middle and slap it on a 351w I was going to put in my foxbody. Sadly health has gotten the better of me and I sold the car and most of the parts I was collecting.
I've got a 5.0 302 I found a bbk insta charger kit that the guy put a gen 5 ported blower on it, and I've got a mild cam setup with gt40p heads and I'm excited to see how much powe it makes
Great job! Very respectable on the torque gains. It's the height I'm worried about. I can get the Caddy M122 for about $1900 new but the adapter plate is $2300(gulp). But it's intercooled and plug and play. The M90 is a lot more sweat equity and making sure things fit and line up. I'm sure I could get costs under $1000 easy without an intercooler. I'm only interested in low end torque for towing just as you stated.
This is the first video I have seen using the M90. I would like to put an Eaton style supercharger on a GEN1 SBC, only Edelbrock makes one, don't know if it's available. How about a 4.3 v6, how could I mount the blower, nobody makes a Eaton based blower application, do they? Oh no....another crazy combo I won't be able to resist looking into.
I bet if you look at the Fuel flow data off of the first pull. Where it made little to no boost. You could calculate how much horsepower it took to drive that blower knowing the bsfc
Probably a stupid question..... Is there a place i can find the Plate Pattern you guys used? The M90 and the M122 would be nice. Cannot find adapters for these anymore.
Ok Richard. I mentioned this before awhile back and you blew me off with something to the effect of "thats not how turbos work" which doesn't apply to what i was asking/theorizing. Maybe the answer was confused on a different question. I'm thinking of compounding the stock turbo into the m90 blower on a 3.0 diesel. Now hear me out and think about this. If you blow into a m90 intake side with a turbo while the blower is attached to nothing, its going to spin like mad which is obviously making power to the pulley to some degree since it is now spinning. So if you are compounding the turbo into the blower on the engine, as soon as the turbo is making more boost than the blower, wont the blower now be putting power into the belt drive(and therefore the crank) rather than being a parasitic loss? The m90 isnt a twin screw blower so its not compressing air inside the case/rotor pack. So once the turbo is spooled up and making more boost than the blower there will be a low pressure area on the engine side of the blower, which should now be trying to spin faster than the engine is driving it. Am i missing something that would make that theory untrue? I just want instant throttle response with a couple pounds of boost under 2000rpm since its out of breath at like 4400 and is terrible 0-10mph. Like dangerous with an auto when you cant spool it up and need to rip across traffic. It wont even spool on the foot brake stock. I was thinking of gearing the blower to make boost at idle speed but have the bypass butterfly open until the throttle is pressed at all.
running the blower by itself makes the na motor more powerful, which in turn increases boost response. Positive pressure on the inlet side of the blower dramatically increases the flow rate of the blower and makes the blower much more efficient. You attributing this to the air pushing the blower is stepping over dimes to get dollars. You are looking at a possible tiny change in power compared to where all the power is actually coming from.
@@richardholdener1727 well I'm not looking at it as an increase in power. I'm.loking at it as a reduction of the power needed to drive the blower. In a discussion I had about it with another guy he was trying to say that the already compeessed air from the turbo would cause the blower to work harder(and use more power). Would you say that opening up the butterfly at cruise speeds and/or over a certain amount of pre blower boost would be good for economy, rather than forcing all the air through the blower? It makes about 14 psi full boost but is like 130hp. I guess I don't really know what the blower will make with out trial and error on the pulley ratio.
I love Ford's blower drives for their lightnings and cobras. You can get like 10.25 inch lower pullies and keep your stock blower pulley for all the belt wrap
I've been looking into adding a turbo or supercharger to my 94 1500 Magnum truck and ran into your videos. So I thought I'd ask the expert. I am looking to add torque to my truck. It's used as a ranch truck so I am not needing a hot-rod and I don't have much to spend. Do you have any suggestions?
@@richardholdener1727 I will be fabricating most of the extras that will be needed. My question is what would be a good cheap junk yard blower to start with.
Yeah I've been debating buying a long runner sbc intake with a top like the Holley intake and cutting 2 runners off for my 4.3 and getting one of these superchargers.
Fun fact: this same engine with stock manifold and the same cam with no blower made 452hp and 431tq. Wonder why he didn’t point out it actually lost power with the smaller pulley?
When you compare the run in the other video with the truck manifold, you lost power with the stock pulley and only gained around 25hp with smallest pulley. The 100ft lbs of torque is a worthwhile improvement however.
@@aarons.5523 These blowers can be remote mounted and came that way from the OEM on several applications. It's regularly had for under 100$. A cam swap is not cheap either, especially with the "while you're in there" mods like springs, retainers, rockers, pushrods etc
These are never going to put out more than 600-650hp on anything. It's not suited well for a high rpm power mod. Like the man said, would be best on a mild small displacement engine for torque production.
RIP. COURTNEY. I know you got to really know him from the Cadillac engines of course.
Would love to see these blowers tested on some of the larger dispacement 6 cylinders. Ford 240/300, GM 4.3 v6, maybe the 4.3 v8 too. Also on some popular 4 cylinders if possible.
The problem is mounting it up. hes using a holley lowram as the base. It would require a lot of fabrication to run.
@@Dan-gj1hz it would require a bit more, not a ton though. The Ford 300 efi intake could be adapted for this pretty easily I think, as far as the 4.3 V6 goes, take a sbc intake for blowers, cut two runners off, close the holes and make an adapter plate for the blower. The 4 cylinders would be a little harder, there are a few blower manifolds for a few different 4 cylinders but not many.
I'm going to put mine on a plenum that feeds a 3" tube to the intercooler then intake. A setup like that will make it easier to run on anything inline. Maybe not v engines.
Richard you got me pulling two of these out of Reno’s pic n pull over the weekend 2 blowers for $180
😂
thanks brotha
I’ve not seen a single one in a junk yard. Damn it lol! Great video and test. My first serious girlfriend drove a sc thunderbird way back when. Dang it was fun
Grand Prixs, Park avenue ultra, Bonneville ssei, Rivieras and regal gs's all boast easy to find m90s
There's a dude that got 12 psi from 2 on the same engine, factory pulley side to side on a old ford v8. Its carbed. So I'm assuming that on the ls with a water heat exchanger and replacing the pulley you could get good performance out of it
You got me hooked on these cheap blowers. Any ideas so far on mounting to the 2.2/2.5L?
I can only envision fabrication in my future.
You will lose power on a engine that small. If you are doing that find a ecotec blower from a 1st gen cobalt ss
Tom Demeuse showed me a pic of something he's working on for you. Can't wait for the video. Might just be seeing double.
Great video Richard! You really got me thinking about building a blower baseplate to carb spacer to mount on a 4bbl sbc intake and carb on top. Thanks for all the inspiration. Also ever think about doing a mikuni draw thru turbie on the metro?
Aww shucks! I recently sold my M90 pulley puller tool on eBay. I should've sent it to you instead.
These M90 videos are fun
I had always wanted to take two m90s and stick them on a ^ shaped intake with one on each side and a tensioner pulley in the middle and slap it on a 351w I was going to put in my foxbody.
Sadly health has gotten the better of me and I sold the car and most of the parts I was collecting.
Great video as always!! Have you thought of messing with the pentastar 3.6? Maybe with the M90🤔
I put a 04 cobra SVT m112 blower on my fwd v6 grand prix. Talk about torque :D (lot's of cnc machining to make adapter plates for this to work)
I've got a 5.0 302 I found a bbk insta charger kit that the guy put a gen 5 ported blower on it, and I've got a mild cam setup with gt40p heads and I'm excited to see how much powe it makes
Any chance we could see one of these on a 2JZ sometime soon?
Great job! Very respectable on the torque gains. It's the height I'm worried about. I can get the Caddy M122 for about $1900 new but the adapter plate is $2300(gulp). But it's intercooled and plug and play. The M90 is a lot more sweat equity and making sure things fit and line up. I'm sure I could get costs under $1000 easy without an intercooler. I'm only interested in low end torque for towing just as you stated.
this adapter plate is $250 or so, but the lo ram intake is $800
@@richardholdener1727
Where did you get the adapter plate? Could you please send website or link. Thanks in advance, I looked and couldn’t find it
I believe he had someone make it @@Aboyzwildin_
Hi .
Could someone recommend a gerbox /where to buy .for silverado 2002 4wd
5.3l 700hp
sorry-I'm not a transmission guy
I would like to see you make that work on the 292 or 250 inline 6. That would some cool videos
Great video sir. Thank you for all the work!
This is the first video I have seen using the M90. I would like to put an Eaton style supercharger on a GEN1 SBC, only Edelbrock makes one, don't know if it's available. How about a 4.3 v6, how could I mount the blower, nobody makes a Eaton based blower application, do they? Oh no....another crazy combo I won't be able to resist looking into.
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I wonder how well this will work on the lt1 in my 96 T/A WS6
I bet if you look at the Fuel flow data off of the first pull. Where it made little to no boost. You could calculate how much horsepower it took to drive that blower knowing the bsfc
we have blower dyno data on an M90
I would like an adapter for a gen iii 5.3 to gen iii eaton m90 i have a mild btr cam and dod delete and its set up to run on 93... with strate pipes.
the adapters are avail
Probably a stupid question..... Is there a place i can find the Plate Pattern you guys used? The M90 and the M122 would be nice. Cannot find adapters for these anymore.
BOTH PATERNS WON'T WORK ON TEH SAME PLATE-BUT DEMEUSE ENGINEERING SELLS THE M90 PLATE AND A 112 PLATE
Use the M90 as a stepping stone on your way up to a M122H. Budget Boooost
I'd like to see what happens if the super ritchie plate turned into a super ritchie triangular prism with an idler pulley on the front.
Lol, I was literally searching all his vids trying to see if He'd already doubled up a pair of these puny blowers on a V8..
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There is a guy on YT that has a Monza with a twin setup
@@richardholdener1727coming slowly, going FAST!!!🎉
Ok Richard. I mentioned this before awhile back and you blew me off with something to the effect of "thats not how turbos work" which doesn't apply to what i was asking/theorizing. Maybe the answer was confused on a different question. I'm thinking of compounding the stock turbo into the m90 blower on a 3.0 diesel. Now hear me out and think about this. If you blow into a m90 intake side with a turbo while the blower is attached to nothing, its going to spin like mad which is obviously making power to the pulley to some degree since it is now spinning. So if you are compounding the turbo into the blower on the engine, as soon as the turbo is making more boost than the blower, wont the blower now be putting power into the belt drive(and therefore the crank) rather than being a parasitic loss? The m90 isnt a twin screw blower so its not compressing air inside the case/rotor pack. So once the turbo is spooled up and making more boost than the blower there will be a low pressure area on the engine side of the blower, which should now be trying to spin faster than the engine is driving it. Am i missing something that would make that theory untrue? I just want instant throttle response with a couple pounds of boost under 2000rpm since its out of breath at like 4400 and is terrible 0-10mph. Like dangerous with an auto when you cant spool it up and need to rip across traffic. It wont even spool on the foot brake stock. I was thinking of gearing the blower to make boost at idle speed but have the bypass butterfly open until the throttle is pressed at all.
running the blower by itself makes the na motor more powerful, which in turn increases boost response. Positive pressure on the inlet side of the blower dramatically increases the flow rate of the blower and makes the blower much more efficient. You attributing this to the air pushing the blower is stepping over dimes to get dollars. You are looking at a possible tiny change in power compared to where all the power is actually coming from.
@@richardholdener1727 well I'm not looking at it as an increase in power. I'm.loking at it as a reduction of the power needed to drive the blower. In a discussion I had about it with another guy he was trying to say that the already compeessed air from the turbo would cause the blower to work harder(and use more power). Would you say that opening up the butterfly at cruise speeds and/or over a certain amount of pre blower boost would be good for economy, rather than forcing all the air through the blower? It makes about 14 psi full boost but is like 130hp. I guess I don't really know what the blower will make with out trial and error on the pulley ratio.
Stock cam supercharged cathedral port 4.8 or 5.3 versus cammed square port 6.0
Overdrive crank pulley and larger supercharger pulley to help belt slip so you dont need to run the 2.6" Or maybe a better belt compound
I love Ford's blower drives for their lightnings and cobras. You can get like 10.25 inch lower pullies and keep your stock blower pulley for all the belt wrap
I have a bigger crank pulley-this truck pulley is already bigger than a stock 3800 V6 crank
I've been looking into adding a turbo or supercharger to my 94 1500 Magnum truck and ran into your videos. So I thought I'd ask the expert. I am looking to add torque to my truck. It's used as a ranch truck so I am not needing a hot-rod and I don't have much to spend. Do you have any suggestions?
not sure of bolt on kits for that combo-this was all custom stuff
@@richardholdener1727 I will be fabricating most of the extras that will be needed. My question is what would be a good cheap junk yard blower to start with.
Am i seeing it right that the N/A made more power then with the 3.8 pulley? 450 NA vs 437 w/3.8
the 3.8 pulley only made .7 psi, but you had the losses to drive the blower and a different intake
@@richardholdener1727 Thank you. I should have known that but didn’t factor it in. Appreciate it
Have you done the Gen 5 on a BTR Truck Norris 6.0 317 heads?
no sir
is that the same style blower they used on? What was it the Monte Carlo and the Bonneville SSE
planned
Why these wasn't a kit made for 4.3. Or a dodge 3.9
Yeah I've been debating buying a long runner sbc intake with a top like the Holley intake and cutting 2 runners off for my 4.3 and getting one of these superchargers.
Is there other intake options to mount blower to a 5.3?
I have an idea for the other guys videos, 4.0 Jeep inline 6
Awesome work! Now just gotta figure it out how to get one under the hood os my c5 😂.
Twin blower 6.2 ! 750hp ?
more
U should try the ford m112 blowers Richard
no need
@@richardholdener1727why?
What would you recommend for a rocker upgrade on a 1700 hp335 5.3
335?
Likely bored the cylinders. 335 C.I.? @@richardholdener1727
@@richardholdener1727well maybe. Seems like 12 C.I. is kind of a big difference for just an overbore. At least on a smallblock bore.
Where can we buy the adapter plates
Demuse Engineering
How about run twin m90’s 😇
I’d love to see this same test with a M112 or M122
I have other blower tests up
SUPER RITCHIE FTW!!!
Where could we get the adapter??
available through Demuse Engineering
Fun fact: this same engine with stock manifold and the same cam with no blower made 452hp and 431tq. Wonder why he didn’t point out it actually lost power with the smaller pulley?
fun fact-he had the na run in the video-there is a hole in your agenda
When you compare the run in the other video with the truck manifold, you lost power with the stock pulley and only gained around 25hp with smallest pulley. The 100ft lbs of torque is a worthwhile improvement however.
Are those supercharger plates for sale?
yes
@@richardholdener1727where can we get the plates?
+150 ft-lb, that a fire breathing towing machine!
Maybe use two of them 🤔😊
Interesting video
Somebody needs to make a manifold to put it on a Mopar magnum engines 😊
Could probably make one out of the stock keg manifold if you're handy with fabrication.
I have one side mounted on a 01 360
🥝✔️ Man , I love this swap.
I want to see two m90 superchargers on a 5.3…
Toss the m90 and put a 750 atm carb and e85 and a cam.. should be around 426hp @ 6500
Also lockout timing at 36*
LS motors don't want 36 degrees of timing
Oddball olds 307 with it!
I’m going to run a m90 on my vr6
Yeap, but the Holley manifold is a grand. So
Love this
I just want to hear it go ZZZZZZZZZZZZ!
🎉 Run 2 M90s PLEASE! 🎉
I think he's a GM guy...if somone knows him plz let him know its ford guys that watch some of his vids
if you think that, you must be new or have not watched the 100s of videos on other than GM motors tested (I'm an engine guy)
@richardholdener1727 I'm new to your channel, love your videos I'll look up the ford vids you've posted sir
8:57 she lost power ! Over na so sad ahahaja
1st lol
doesnt really seem worth it... a decent cam is almost as good. looks like you need twin super chargers to get solid numbers lol
A used blower costs a lot less than a cam
@@madmod not really... theres a lot of modding required. the intake alone is more than a cam...
@@aarons.5523 These blowers can be remote mounted and came that way from the OEM on several applications. It's regularly had for under 100$. A cam swap is not cheap either, especially with the "while you're in there" mods like springs, retainers, rockers, pushrods etc
Is a cam going to add the 100+ pounds of torque down low?
These are never going to put out more than 600-650hp on anything. It's not suited well for a high rpm power mod. Like the man said, would be best on a mild small displacement engine for torque production.