@StayTunedTA I thought u showed dome pistons in that old school? Was I mistaken, valve reliefs an all. But with that big cam 64cc chambers I was worried about piston to valve clearance
Shout out to Tick Performance. I was at LS Fest this year racing in Grand Champion (ax). My clutch felt funny in grid and then went to the floor. A spectator said something was dripping under my car. It was a bad o ring on the AN adapter for the GM slave cylinder. I ran from my trailer to the vendor row and went to any vendor that might have one. Tick was the only vendor that had a replacement. By that I mean he took the one off the display and refused to take my money. Got it slammed back together and bled. Back to racing! Good folks. Give them your money.
Tick is top quality when it comes to products and customer service. Not only Chris but even Matt is constantly answering huge questions in forums and posts and they go above and beyond in everything they do
As a 30 year old man whos lost his dad at 21 i so wish i could do these things with my pops. Your beyond lucky! Definitely keep at it! Id do nearly anything to have him back around.
I just turned 28.. lost my dad at 14 (he was 42). But I couldn't agree more man. My dad, brother & I were always massive car nuts. Always working on something.. doing repairs, engine rebuilds in the garage, engine swaps, house projects.. Or ripping around in his 69 Stingray as kids, racing people & doing burnouts in his manual 05 GTO etc. But I think about that often.. All the badass sh*t we'd be doing if he was still around. Shooting guns, working on our cooler car projects, talking about the insanity of politics, deeper conversations about life.. Or picking his brain on his engineering knowledge, business ideas, finances, rental properties etc. Its a shame cause he was a hilarious, great dad & a wealth of knowledge.
Thank you for the revised video, was planning on watching later tonight in Australia but all done. I have terminal pancreatic cancer and was given 5 months to live in February 2022 and still here with a head like a sponge absorbing all your valuable infomation. Thanks again and Take Care.
I don't know if this will help you but my understanding is that cancer lives off of the sugar you eat. Watched a video where a guy was diagnosed with stage 4 colon cancer and given 3 months to live. He did some research and became a vegetarian. He started out fasting for 5 days and then ate veggies for a week. Then he fasted for 20 days and then ate veggies for another week. He continued this process and in 3 months time the cancer was gone. He was also a bigger guy when he started and almost skinny at the end of 3 months. A woman was diagnosed with breast cancer and she didn't fast but did become a vegetarian. The cancer was gone after 2 years. I'm not saying this would work for you and I'm not giving medical advice, I'm just giving you some information that might help you in your current situation. I wish you the best of luck so that you can keep absorbing valuable information for many more years to come.
Father and son that's the way to go. My Dad passed on 2019, I sure wish he was still around. Anyhow, I enjoy the heck out of your channel Tony, keep them coming!
Great video but not exactly comparing apples to apples. The dome on the 327 pistons is worth roughly 2.5 points of compression and that is where the big power difference is. The 327 pistons are most likely a 6cc dome vs the 5.3 pistons are a 8cc dish. If the 5.3 had 6cc dome pistons, it would be closer to the 500hp range. I love both generations of sbc, but if your dad wants a car that he can just get in and cruise anywhere, the 5.3 is the way to go. I love seeing you working on this with your dad. I started working on hot rods with my grandpa 30 years ago and just lost him last week at the age of 86. He was still working on his 57 Bel Air until this past August and now I'm going to finish it for him. You will never regret any of the memories you're making with your dad in the garage.
@@chrisfinamore6364 Depending on the head gasket, but usually flat pitons and proper head gasket choice is 10:1 - 10:5 at most, any dome even with the thick felpro is minimum 11:1.......... Another variable is head chamber size, that too can increase or decrease compression!
I am 73 years old. My old Nova's 327 +.040" would just barely make 400 hp with the mildly ported 2.02 double hump heads, roller rockers and a Comp .565 cam. Was expecting to see 450hp on this 327, but this torque curve is probably a lot flatter than mine. Thanks for the great memories.
Cherishing that chapter in life is precious. The times spent twisting bolts and forming sheet metal. Pop was in the paint business as well as did some wrenching. We had some awesome car projects together. A few baja bugs that we built with roller bearing 1835's, Norris cams, Zenith carbs. A very nice paint job over meticulously cared for metal and fiberglass. The Mojave Desert would never be the same. Later was my 1964 Ford Fairlane. That one was restored carefully. A few years down the line, I latched my hooks on a pair of brand new 427 FE crate engines through a friend in the right place. One was earmarked for the '64. That 427 coupled up to a 2:80 rear end... Cruising the interstate, 75 mph with a casual ~1,500 rpm. Lotsa leg left in the throttle. That arrangement hauled ass and pulled 25 mpg out of a big block. Pop was a handful... But did we ever have some great times getting in trouble together! He sure did like to drive my '64... Still to this day confused by one or both of us never getting arrested in that damn car! Mom woulda beat both our asses to a pulp if we had been taken down town!! Cherish the memories!!
Great video. as a professional welder, I have to say when you welded on the engine oil pickup, you hooked the ground to the flax plate, forcing the current to go all the way through many parts up to the oil pump and the arc can jump across the bearings and leave a burn mark. You should have hooked the ground directly to the oil pump, so the current was directly there. Thus not jumping through parts. No, I'm saying as a negative just helping out for next time.
I came here to comment this and welp guess I don't need to anymore. Personally I would never weld one with a mig tig only. Another thing to take into consideration is if the pump is cast steel or cast iron both requiring a different filler rod. The one comment I haven't seen is that pickup they used had a tie bar that bolted to the main cap...🤦♂️
Tony, it's super rad to see you getting to tear into some engines with your dad. When I was 13 me and my dad tore down the 351w in what would eventually become my Bronco. He worked road construction and usually went on unemployment in the winter, so, winter was the perfect time...but, with no shop or garage, we yanked the 351w, set it in the kitchen on a heavy coffee table. We did a cheap overhaul kit ($238) at the time. Cut out a little bit of a Ridge, honed it, replaced 1 piston that had a bit of galling, cheap RV cam, flowtec long tubes, hand lapped the valves on the kitchen table. Then when the weather got nice enough we carried the short block out, finished it up, stabbed it, and it fired right up....core memory set in stone. Fast forward, my dad passed away in 2018. While I was dealing with all that emotionally, I decided to build a new 351w for my Bronco, that I still have 20+ years later. I spent a bunch of money and time putting together a pretty gnarly 363. I finally yanked the old 351w out, had the new one ready to go....but I can't do it. Seems dumb, but I'm now going through that 351w to put it back in. Unless I knock a window in it, I'll try to keep this engine with the old truck as long as I can. Keep at it buddy, I'm loving the channel.
I love that you shined a little light on the small block chevy. I'm so tired of LS's. I know they are great, and that the small block was what everyone did before. But that was preTH-cam and having to hear about it constantly.
Love seeing Mr Angelo out here working side by side with the boys building his dream ride. Can’t beat those memories, can’t buy them. Love it. Also side note, the small joke about moving to the “clean” room had me laughing way harder then it was probably meant to
GREAT video, thanks for sharing ! I`m pleased to see the 327 put down some serious HP numbers. 40 years ago, I built a similar small journal 327 to install in the back seat of my `66 Corvair (Crown conversion). 400 HP and 2500 lbs. makes for a fun ride. Many Chevelles, Camaros, Goats, Cobra Jets, Road Runners, etc. got humbled by "a lowly Corvair".
Best 327 comp I’ve seen yet. Your dads a boss and the good vibes he’s getting is adding more to his life than pizza could ever take. Guess we get to see a ripper 327 in the shop truck and show barb how bright the tail lights are when you slow to let him catch up. You boys are legends!!
so the higher compression engine with more aggressive cam made more power. surprise to no one. love this channel, couldn't think of a better way to spend a Friday night! shout out Tony's dad for the cameo see you guys at duck tape drags! nothing but love brotha 🍻
There are other factors that came into play like the shorter rod ratios of the 327 hurt it's peak HP numbers but helped the torque and the 4" inch bore un-shrouds the vales for better flow but hurt efficiency, not to mention the terrible 23 degree valve angle compared to the 5.3's 15 degree
Regardless we build naturally aspirated Small blocks and LS with similar cam design and compression but the small blocks absolutely destroy the LS and cost less to make the power. Our 9° DLM small block engines made 950-1050HP carbureted. No Matthias hard everyone try’s (and they do annually) no one can make the LS as competitive in these environments without forcing air down its throat. If a team tries an ls it never makes a full season without going up for sale. They just aren’t there yet. Even if you go factory available head vs head the 24502517 11° splayed valve head will destroy any GM LS head. A LS out of the GM box gets slapped across the mouth by a flat top GM Ct400 604 out of the box.
The small block had a lot going for it compared to the LS. Also I'm pretty sure summit heads are copies of other manufacturers with their name machined into it. But the summit 195 small block head is most likely a better design than the summit 210 LS head. That combined with 17 degrees more intake duration and 18 degrees more exhaust duration, almost a point more compression on the small block, a 4.04" bore compared to the LS 3.78...its really no surprise it made more power. With a bigger cam and a GOOD intake (fast or NNBS truck) that LS could easily have made more. About the only thing comparable in this "test" was the fact they had similar displacement..and still the small block had 7ish more cubes over the LS.
Old school for me I just see alot of LS swaps that nobody can get running right Popping cutting out long starts running rich high idling. A buddy is putting a 350 back in his 86 regular cab dually he had a brand new setup 6.0 4l80 3 1/2 years nobody could get it to run right he gave up he said never again. Love the channel Tony
LS swaps are generally regarded as one of the easiest, most bang for your buck swaps with a ton of aftermarket support and very easily tunable. The live datastream that you can get from the LS platform allows for simple adjustments, especially when paired with something like the Holley EFI Terminator X system. Take that brand new 6.0L LS to a good tuner, my hunch is that it would be running top shape.
them people just dont know how to tune a ls u was talking about there easy to tune in efi form or carb form aint nothing change fuel air and spark and that 5.3 l they tested here is only a 325cid vs a 333cid so that is why the 327 made alil more apple to apple would have been both cids matched then it would have been more interesting not knocking the small block at all tho i had just watched a motor shop today take a stock 350 and pout a tq storm on it and make 1000 hp on 7 passes i will say the small block will hold more boost than a ls i bet
My only complaint is the ground on flywheel when welding. Can arc on main bearings as the current takes those paths. I would ground straight to the tube or oil pump. Everything else I liked to see. Wish I could do more of this stuff with my dad!!!!
Me and my dad built my first car when I was 16. A 57 Chevy 2 door hard top that we bought for $85! Rebuilt the 283 and converted it from auto to 3 speed manual with a Hurst floor shifter. Many hours in the garage together turning wrenches and skinning knuckles. Freezing our butts off in the garage in the cold PA winters. I miss those days. I lost my dad back in 2008 and miss him every day. Enjoy the time you have with your dad.
My dad ONLY used Melling oil pumps in his engines. He was rebuilding old stuff back in the 50's, so he had a few years to see what worked and what did not work.
Paternity test right off the bat at 0:55. "whichever makes the numbers" Like an episode of Maury Povich "you ARE the father"! Now he just needs to rev it to the moon and blow that tihs up! Awesome!
Fantastic Video! I grew up in my Pop's Machine shop building engines with him. This video reminds me a lot of the good old days. Thanks for the memories Tony...
Great video Tony. Literally felt like an episode of engine masters 🤯Also gotta love the collab with the dad makes me wish mine was closer. Keep up the great work and im still happy to see you doing your own thing with this channel and seeing it prosper.
So nice to see your father and you spending this time together and doing this! We only have so much time and this is such a special thing for both of you! ❤
The best days of my life were just my dad and me working in the shop together all winter one year. We kept warm with my old wood burning stove while we finished up a rock bouncer build. It's my favorite memory of him. He passed in 2022 at only 65. It makes me happy to see you working on an old hot rod with your dad, and reminds me of better days. Take in every little moment.
Hey Tony what a beautiful awesome video helping your dad out I lost my dad several years back and I miss him every day God bless you and your dad and enjoy all the time you have with him
This video is awesome. I'm a mustang guy all my 44 years. I drive a procharged 12. My wife and daughter wanted a project car. We found a 92 Z28. I debated going ls. But decided to just get a scat rotating assembly, some eBay 2.02/1.6 aluminum heads. I forget the cam but it was around .515/.515.We went with sniper EFI. 2400 stall built 700r4. Dynoed 325/390 @ 5600. 12.4 @ 111. My wife and daughter love it. Building the SBC was easy compared to modern engines.
283 fuelie and the 327/365 engines loved 7000-8000rpms all day long. They thrived on it. Is a LS a great engine yes. But what makes it is its heads . Newer SBC engine blocks by dart has the same / similar oilling systems . Sbc has a better clapping force around the cylinders then the LS engines unless you buy a tricked aftermarket block. Grubworm if grubworm racing proves it in his video about sealing under boost. He has the or one of the fastest SBC stick car in the country. Also LS fanboys do some research. Bill Grumpy Jenkins was making 327s into 331cid SBC making 750-850+ hp back in the late 1970's thru 1980's and winning championships. Tony its great to see you and your dad building a car together. I never got to do that before my dad passed away. Family is everything! Your a good man.
True. Spending money on good heads changes things. I have built a small block with RHS heads. A friend bought it from me becuae it reminded him of the LS he had before.
To be fair, the 327 had dome pistons where the LS has dished. Big difference in compression with same 64cc heads. I would love to see the 5.3 have the flat top 4.8 pistons or 5.3 HO flat tops to see how it compares. Great video. Will have to see if summit does those heads with smaller cc chambers to keep compression up.
I weighed both, Ready to run weights is 406(no coolant, 5qt oil alum head, mid intake, 750dp carb, torque starter, standard 90s flexplate fuel pump hei) the LS6 weighed 425lb, (starter. Alum block head. Pan everything. Standard 04 flexplate, tbss intake, same scenario *note no fuel pump, stock everything else.) Both without coolant, acessories or water pump, exhaust, air filter, both measured on the same scale. The gen 1+2 sbc 350 is smaller and lighter despite having a iron block and fuel pump. Also worth noting a sbc holds more coolant to make up for weight
I enjoy making videos with my dad . The man taught me so much about car life. We build cars together race together always enjoy our time together. We just started a new series called muscle car corner . We talk about racing and for him what is was like owning and living in the Golden era of muscle cars. The storys I grew up on and made me want to build muscle cars.
I enjoy your channel and the cars you build. I just noticed you started a New addition to the channel. Who doesn't like to hear stories of people who actually bought those muscle cars in the day and to hear how fast they actually went. That's why I'm hooked on channels like These
This was one of the best episodes of any car show I think I've ever seen. It was just a guy and his Pop and his buddies hanging in the shop doing what they do! When Pops said, "I'll take the one that makes the better numbers" I literally felt more AMERICAN than I've ever felt. I was just as surprised as y'all were when that SBC put down those numbers. The slap ass that was going on the entire video made me feel like I was at work with my friends, and the fact that Pops was there, I don't get that pleasure anymore, mines been gone since 2018, was the greatest part. Don't ever take that for granted! I love the show, and will continue to watch! Merry Christmas and have a wonderful New Year! Peace!
My first car, in ‘86, was a ‘67 Caprice. To this day I still own the 327 Turbofire, 192 doublehump heads (not the more sought after 202’s). It’s a 275 horse engine, bone stock and I’m anxious to go through it. It’s been a in a controlled climate since I pulled it from my ‘67 in 1998. The old school small blocks need new main bearings if you’re going to do the top end… or so I’ve been told. Old school small blocks made great strokers. Block size through the 60’s remained the same for a 283 to a 400 (thanks Freiburger for that tidbit). Hardened valve seats for the SBC, since they love leaded fuel? Nice job moving engine to the clean room, Tony. This was a lot of fun to watch all the way through. It’s fantastic that you and your Pops are doing shit together. Gimme my old cast block, it’s good enough for me and now I know what to do. Thanks, Tony.
Australia had a lot of 307/327's floating around in the day and they literally got scrapped when the LS bug bit. I've had a play with them as a Mopar guy and I quite like the iron blocks and the 327's go have when they breathe but youre spot on with the leaks and fumes and they need love regularly especially in Aussie Climate where the LS you can run hard and put away wet and then daily the thing but they dont look or smell as cool :-)
@@tony66au the LS bug, along with Covid and various other factors put some very reputable machine shops out of business. Very few were building. Just swapping. It’s evident in the bloviated LS is superior talk.
Tony it is amazing to see you working with your old man in the shop. I love it. ALSO, that dude has a wicked RMMF - Resting Mean-Mug Face LOL. Intimidating as HELL!!!
@StayTunedTA as an avid watcher of StayTuned I have no idea how you do not have over 500k subscribers already. Great content. Great people. Just does not make sense to me.
Awesome engine builds guys , I love Tony's Dad is working with you guys ! He is in there cleaning up sons mess as usual ! Lol That 327 isn't a 327 punch 30 over ? But still killer motor ! Fantastic episode, Love the Dino , Tony looks like engine master guy ? David lamo !
😂😂😂 the Oracle, who's that? Fryburger. You are a very lucky man to have helped build you father his dream car I wish mine was still around to be able to do that love ya pops
Just for those who didn't already know. Flat tappet cams are ground with a miniscule taper to them to cause them to naturally want to "push" toward the rear of the engine.
The proper way to build the front end is to mount the inner fenders into the outer fenders 1st. It's gonna be a struggle otherwise. When I swap my Camaro's engine I pull the entire front clip off intact after just disconnecting the engine harness.
You can't forget the 327 had some pretty aggressive dome pistons and solid lifters. I'm sure the 5.3 would make a bunch more power with a different set of pistons
The 275 hp 327 came with flat tops, the 340-360hp 327 from the earlier 60s Corvettes came with dome pistons, you need some small chambers to get any real compression out of these with flat top pistons
My Dad and I tore down our first engine together when I was 16. A old school 283 in a '67 Malibu. We did it in a single bay gadage with a junk winch tied by chain to a rafter. That was 1984 and it seems like yesterday. RIP Dad.
Was not gonna watch all of this long video,but man it was sooo good I watched every second.Loved the father/son time together with good friends.The Oracle nod was killer and the fun with Wilson dyno guys rounded out good times.Yall are doing great shtuff,keep it up
1:00:50 Tony clamped the welder's ground onto the flex plate to weld the pickup tube onto the oil pump, thereby running the current through the bearings, because they're the only thing connecting the crank to the block. Hopefully it didn't try to weld any of the bearings to the crank. Personally I would have clamped it on the pickup tube instead.
@@gabrielh5937 Depends what comes through the shop, but it's rare for a week to go by with no welding. Tell me master welder, what is the flaw in my reasoning?
@@gabrielh5937One of the first things my instructor taught us in our welding class at my local community college was never ground through a bearing. In this case it likely left a small arc crater on one of the bearings. If you ground through greased ball bearings, they can explode with enough current. Have you ever heard of Electrical Discharge Machining? Same principle here, the arc vaporizes a small amount of material. If you ever have a bad ground connection and it is just touching the workpiece, you can see these small arcing marks.
the only reason i would not use the og motor is the oil leaks with the rear main and valve covers it took till 86 before GM addressed those issues. plus it's heavier
At the end of the day its the heads/cam/top end that makes power. You throw similar top ends on similar displacement engines and they'll do exactly what you would expect-make similar numbers (regardless if its sbc, Ls, ford, chrysler, whatever). Ls's got popular back in the day cause it was a cheap easy way to get creature comforts like fuel injection and overdrive transmissions etc. But I still remember the days when guys thought Ls blocks were "glass". Now everybody thinks they're magic (to be fair, there are a lot of benefits with them). I did love seeing that old school 327 rip though-that thing just sounded pissed off 💪😎
My favorite is arguing with LS guys over big blocks. A big block is pulling those HP numbers at 9:1 with a milder cam at 6000 rpm and gobs more torque down low. LS guys are a special kind of people.
@@jsomething2 that's actually an interesting product. One of the best things about ls's is the availability of really decent flowing heads. That's why I said in my original post "with similar flowing heads". But yes, sbc's are mostly limited to vortex heads, at least as far as factory stuff. With that said, I've used vortecs and they're pretty damn good. But I'd be interested to see a 383 or 406 with some decent LS heads, that would be cool
Fun fact, early model LS1 engines have with non-coated copper bearings. I SHAT myself initially when I pulled mine apart (because I could see the machining lines in it very clearly) but they're factory. GM switched to babbit in 2000 model year.
@@frigglebiscuit7484 give and take. You take cam bearings that likely wont ever wear but you make 450hp on unicorn piss of great heads great intake large cam, Ill take being good about maintenance and make 500hp with just a cam on a stock engine.
@1:29:00 Spoke like a wise man who's been there and done that. Real enthusiast's love to drive and enjoy the car, not chase 10 HP for horrible reliability and frustrating maintenance. Well done guys!
People been building these for many years. My old CNC shop supervisor took junk yard engines and made 383 strokers. We used to go out kilkare and watch him run into the tens in his 68 firebird and 69 Camaro. Hard to beat Chevy small blocks. They been running America all my fifty years
RIGHT !!! The 327 was punched 40 over w/ high compression pistons. 333ci sbc vs 325ci LS More displacement / higher compression more power. LS held its own for completely stock bottom end
Old school small block all the way. Just think Duntov came up with this in what 53 or 54? and it is still rocking today!! I love the way they sound and you can tell it had more grunt. Ls is good but 327 is better. But hey I`m old also LOL. Great video man you always make the longer vids that I love. Thanks Guys.
Having experience as both a dad & a son, doing intergenrational stuff is the best. Cherish these moments guys. Great show! The motor stuff was good too.
Great builds, but I`m 67 and the old school 327 screamer is from my childhood, like that Camaro tickles the little kid in me. Those leaks can be sealed, I pick the old SBC. My cousin still has his 67 Camaro with a 327 and it still RIPS! It`s his baby and has been meticulously maintained.
Another great video. I love the family aspect and the new school / old school aspect. Keep up the great work. I also think it is HILARIOUS that Richard Holdner made a video about your video. T/A forever!!!
This is awesome, great way to spend time with dad, doing something you both enjoy! Wish I had this kind of relationship with my father, and the means to do things like this with him as well.
I’d give anything to be able to work on something with my dad again. Cherish those moments man.
Same here brother
Same here.
32 years since he passed, and he was with me everyday on my last restoration. Making good memories is what it is all about brother!
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Same here brother.
" we may have to contact the Oracle, Frieberger". That one got me😂😂😂 awesome video!
HAHAHAH, he said he can be in the videos in the near future.
@@StayTunedTA The knowledge will flow
@@StayTunedTA awesome! Can't wait to see what you guys come up with
@StayTunedTA I thought u showed dome pistons in that old school? Was I mistaken, valve reliefs an all. But with that big cam 64cc chambers I was worried about piston to valve clearance
Hope Dave gets to guest in a show soon!
Shout out to Tick Performance. I was at LS Fest this year racing in Grand Champion (ax). My clutch felt funny in grid and then went to the floor. A spectator said something was dripping under my car. It was a bad o ring on the AN adapter for the GM slave cylinder. I ran from my trailer to the vendor row and went to any vendor that might have one. Tick was the only vendor that had a replacement. By that I mean he took the one off the display and refused to take my money. Got it slammed back together and bled. Back to racing! Good folks. Give them your money.
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As a 30 year old man whos lost his dad at 21 i so wish i could do these things with my pops. Your beyond lucky! Definitely keep at it! Id do nearly anything to have him back around.
I just turned 28.. lost my dad at 14 (he was 42). But I couldn't agree more man. My dad, brother & I were always massive car nuts. Always working on something.. doing repairs, engine rebuilds in the garage, engine swaps, house projects.. Or ripping around in his 69 Stingray as kids, racing people & doing burnouts in his manual 05 GTO etc.
But I think about that often.. All the badass sh*t we'd be doing if he was still around. Shooting guns, working on our cooler car projects, talking about the insanity of politics, deeper conversations about life.. Or picking his brain on his engineering knowledge, business ideas, finances, rental properties etc.
Its a shame cause he was a hilarious, great dad & a wealth of knowledge.
Thank you for the revised video, was planning on watching later tonight in Australia but all done. I have terminal pancreatic cancer and was given 5 months to live in February 2022 and still here with a head like a sponge absorbing all your valuable infomation. Thanks again and Take Care.
I don't know if this will help you but my understanding is that cancer lives off of the sugar you eat. Watched a video where a guy was diagnosed with stage 4 colon cancer and given 3 months to live. He did some research and became a vegetarian. He started out fasting for 5 days and then ate veggies for a week. Then he fasted for 20 days and then ate veggies for another week. He continued this process and in 3 months time the cancer was gone. He was also a bigger guy when he started and almost skinny at the end of 3 months. A woman was diagnosed with breast cancer and she didn't fast but did become a vegetarian. The cancer was gone after 2 years. I'm not saying this would work for you and I'm not giving medical advice, I'm just giving you some information that might help you in your current situation. I wish you the best of luck so that you can keep absorbing valuable information for many more years to come.
Father and son that's the way to go. My Dad passed on 2019, I sure wish he was still around. Anyhow, I enjoy the heck out of your channel Tony, keep them coming!
2017 here
Lost my Dad the same year and miss him so much. I love the father son videos
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With those heads and 30 over should be slightly higher than 111;to 1 looks pretty legit
Tony,s dad is man of few words, but yet you can tell he is exited about this build, and happy to be doing this Tony.
1:28:43. Dad says a lot with those eyes.
Miss my pops. Been 15 years w/o him. I got a 15 yo son who wants to work with me and I love it.
Miss working with my son different states! Hope he moves back soon!
Miss working with my son different states! Hope he moves back soon!
The clean engine building area of the shop killed me😂
Great video but not exactly comparing apples to apples. The dome on the 327 pistons is worth roughly 2.5 points of compression and that is where the big power difference is. The 327 pistons are most likely a 6cc dome vs the 5.3 pistons are a 8cc dish. If the 5.3 had 6cc dome pistons, it would be closer to the 500hp range. I love both generations of sbc, but if your dad wants a car that he can just get in and cruise anywhere, the 5.3 is the way to go. I love seeing you working on this with your dad. I started working on hot rods with my grandpa 30 years ago and just lost him last week at the age of 86. He was still working on his 57 Bel Air until this past August and now I'm going to finish it for him. You will never regret any of the memories you're making with your dad in the garage.
327 w that tiny dome is 10 to 1. Factory 11 to 1 domes are a much bigger dome.
@@chrisfinamore6364 Depending on the head gasket, but usually flat pitons and proper head gasket choice is 10:1 - 10:5 at most, any dome even with the thick felpro is minimum 11:1.......... Another variable is head chamber size, that too can increase or decrease compression!
I am 73 years old. My old Nova's 327 +.040" would just barely make 400 hp with the mildly ported 2.02 double hump heads, roller rockers and a Comp .565 cam. Was expecting to see 450hp on this 327, but this torque curve is probably a lot flatter than mine. Thanks for the great memories.
Father and son jam! I do miss my Dad. Keep having good times with Pop!
Cherishing that chapter in life is precious. The times spent twisting bolts and forming sheet metal. Pop was in the paint business as well as did some wrenching. We had some awesome car projects together. A few baja bugs that we built with roller bearing 1835's, Norris cams, Zenith carbs. A very nice paint job over meticulously cared for metal and fiberglass. The Mojave Desert would never be the same. Later was my 1964 Ford Fairlane. That one was restored carefully. A few years down the line, I latched my hooks on a pair of brand new 427 FE crate engines through a friend in the right place. One was earmarked for the '64. That 427 coupled up to a 2:80 rear end... Cruising the interstate, 75 mph with a casual ~1,500 rpm. Lotsa leg left in the throttle. That arrangement hauled ass and pulled 25 mpg out of a big block. Pop was a handful... But did we ever have some great times getting in trouble together! He sure did like to drive my '64... Still to this day confused by one or both of us never getting arrested in that damn car! Mom woulda beat both our asses to a pulp if we had been taken down town!! Cherish the memories!!
Great video. as a professional welder, I have to say when you welded on the engine oil pickup, you hooked the ground to the flax plate, forcing the current to go all the way through many parts up to the oil pump and the arc can jump across the bearings and leave a burn mark. You should have hooked the ground directly to the oil pump, so the current was directly there. Thus not jumping through parts. No, I'm saying as a negative just helping out for next time.
Exactly!
I'm not a professional welder but I was thinking the same thing 😂
I don’t weld oil pumps I Braze them just feel it’s over kill to weld
I came here to comment this and welp guess I don't need to anymore. Personally I would never weld one with a mig tig only. Another thing to take into consideration is if the pump is cast steel or cast iron both requiring a different filler rod. The one comment I haven't seen is that pickup they used had a tie bar that bolted to the main cap...🤦♂️
@@coltonwancho2735 Not overkill to weld anything inside an engine that can come apart.
Hell yeah! This one’s for Dad! I love this for y’all! Hugs from Texas
Thanks so much!
He was very respectful of trying to not make noise while Tony talked but joined in on the noise making very quickly 😂
Tony, it's super rad to see you getting to tear into some engines with your dad. When I was 13 me and my dad tore down the 351w in what would eventually become my Bronco. He worked road construction and usually went on unemployment in the winter, so, winter was the perfect time...but, with no shop or garage, we yanked the 351w, set it in the kitchen on a heavy coffee table. We did a cheap overhaul kit ($238) at the time. Cut out a little bit of a Ridge, honed it, replaced 1 piston that had a bit of galling, cheap RV cam, flowtec long tubes, hand lapped the valves on the kitchen table. Then when the weather got nice enough we carried the short block out, finished it up, stabbed it, and it fired right up....core memory set in stone. Fast forward, my dad passed away in 2018. While I was dealing with all that emotionally, I decided to build a new 351w for my Bronco, that I still have 20+ years later. I spent a bunch of money and time putting together a pretty gnarly 363. I finally yanked the old 351w out, had the new one ready to go....but I can't do it. Seems dumb, but I'm now going through that 351w to put it back in. Unless I knock a window in it, I'll try to keep this engine with the old truck as long as I can. Keep at it buddy, I'm loving the channel.
I love that you shined a little light on the small block chevy. I'm so tired of LS's. I know they are great, and that the small block was what everyone did before. But that was preTH-cam and having to hear about it constantly.
Prob is i can get a ls cheaper than a sbc.
Plus he helped the SBC with the camshaft choice
That 327 is a stout little motor on a very reasonable budget. Excellent episode today. Well done!
That’s cool father and son working together 🎉
Love seeing Mr Angelo out here working side by side with the boys building his dream ride. Can’t beat those memories, can’t buy them. Love it. Also side note, the small joke about moving to the “clean” room had me laughing way harder then it was probably meant to
When you grounded your welding lead to the fly wheel it arced across a main bearing somewhere in your motor.
I don’t know why he did that No Idea
GREAT video, thanks for sharing ! I`m pleased to see the 327 put down some serious HP numbers. 40 years ago, I built a similar small journal 327 to install in the back seat of my `66 Corvair (Crown conversion). 400 HP and 2500 lbs. makes for a fun ride. Many Chevelles, Camaros, Goats, Cobra Jets, Road Runners, etc. got humbled by "a lowly Corvair".
Best 327 comp I’ve seen yet. Your dads a boss and the good vibes he’s getting is adding more to his life than pizza could ever take. Guess we get to see a ripper 327 in the shop truck and show barb how bright the tail lights are when you slow to let him catch up. You boys are legends!!
I love how every time Tony mocks the 327 HP prediction he reduces the number. It's much easier to get over a shorter and shorter bar. 😜
Yep 🤣
HAH, I was spooked by Chris but my thoughts were 425 and 450 for the 5.3!
so the higher compression engine with more aggressive cam made more power. surprise to no one.
love this channel, couldn't think of a better way to spend a Friday night! shout out Tony's dad for the cameo see you guys at duck tape drags! nothing but love brotha 🍻
There are other factors that came into play like the shorter rod ratios of the 327 hurt it's peak HP numbers but helped the torque and the 4" inch bore un-shrouds the vales for better flow but hurt efficiency, not to mention the terrible 23 degree valve angle compared to the 5.3's 15 degree
Also the pistons are .060 over
Regardless we build naturally aspirated Small blocks and LS with similar cam design and compression but the small blocks absolutely destroy the LS and cost less to make the power. Our 9° DLM small block engines made 950-1050HP carbureted. No Matthias hard everyone try’s (and they do annually) no one can make the LS as competitive in these environments without forcing air down its throat. If a team tries an ls it never makes a full season without going up for sale. They just aren’t there yet. Even if you go factory available head vs head the 24502517 11° splayed valve head will destroy any GM LS head. A LS out of the GM box gets slapped across the mouth by a flat top GM Ct400 604 out of the box.
The small block had a lot going for it compared to the LS. Also I'm pretty sure summit heads are copies of other manufacturers with their name machined into it. But the summit 195 small block head is most likely a better design than the summit 210 LS head. That combined with 17 degrees more intake duration and 18 degrees more exhaust duration, almost a point more compression on the small block, a 4.04" bore compared to the LS 3.78...its really no surprise it made more power. With a bigger cam and a GOOD intake (fast or NNBS truck) that LS could easily have made more. About the only thing comparable in this "test" was the fact they had similar displacement..and still the small block had 7ish more cubes over the LS.
Hey Tony I'll give you two pizzas for that 327.
Old school for me I just see alot of LS swaps that nobody can get running right Popping cutting out long starts running rich high idling. A buddy is putting a 350 back in his 86 regular cab dually he had a brand new setup 6.0 4l80 3 1/2 years nobody could get it to run right he gave up he said never again. Love the channel Tony
The Sbc need only a few tool to tune it , LS need computer... Generation gap is the main issue. But both can be tuned and run perfectly
307 ci in 3,200 lb 1968 Chevelle ran 13.0 with cheap Holley 600 cfm, cheap erson cam, Torker 2 manifold and cheapo headers.
LS swaps are generally regarded as one of the easiest, most bang for your buck swaps with a ton of aftermarket support and very easily tunable. The live datastream that you can get from the LS platform allows for simple adjustments, especially when paired with something like the Holley EFI Terminator X system.
Take that brand new 6.0L LS to a good tuner, my hunch is that it would be running top shape.
them people just dont know how to tune a ls u was talking about there easy to tune in efi form or carb form aint nothing change fuel air and spark and that 5.3 l they tested here is only a 325cid vs a 333cid so that is why the 327 made alil more apple to apple would have been both cids matched then it would have been more interesting not knocking the small block at all tho i had just watched a motor shop today take a stock 350 and pout a tq storm on it and make 1000 hp on 7 passes i will say the small block will hold more boost than a ls i bet
My only complaint is the ground on flywheel when welding. Can arc on main bearings as the current takes those paths. I would ground straight to the tube or oil pump. Everything else I liked to see. Wish I could do more of this stuff with my dad!!!!
That Small Block NEEDS to go into the shop truck. ASAP!
Yes ! With throttle body efi!
So lucky to have your dad working with you to make HIS dream happen ! Loved this channel before but now we are hitting the apex . Decent!!!
Dude. What a treat to hang out with your pops all week like that. Building a lot more than engine there. More like life long memories. Cool.
Me and my dad built my first car when I was 16. A 57 Chevy 2 door hard top that we bought for $85! Rebuilt the 283 and converted it from auto to 3 speed manual with a Hurst floor shifter. Many hours in the garage together turning wrenches and skinning knuckles. Freezing our butts off in the garage in the cold PA winters. I miss those days. I lost my dad back in 2008 and miss him every day. Enjoy the time you have with your dad.
Give the LS more fuel and a couple degrees of timing and it would probably match the old school 327 but who knows. The 327 was an amazing motor…
LS gets a Snyder's lifter oil bath. Old school 327ci gets a Utz lifter oil bath. Always a method to the madness with this channel. Five star video.
My dad ONLY used Melling oil pumps in his engines. He was rebuilding old stuff back in the 50's, so he had a few years to see what worked and what did not work.
Paternity test right off the bat at 0:55. "whichever makes the numbers" Like an episode of Maury Povich "you ARE the father"! Now he just needs to rev it to the moon and blow that tihs up! Awesome!
Fantastic Video! I grew up in my Pop's Machine shop building engines with him. This video reminds me a lot of the good old days. Thanks for the memories Tony...
Thanks!
Great video Tony. Literally felt like an episode of engine masters 🤯Also gotta love the collab with the dad makes me wish mine was closer. Keep up the great work and im still happy to see you doing your own thing with this channel and seeing it prosper.
That is really high praise I super appreciate it! Was a long week but a great week with Dad in the shop.
Barb has come a long way from mid level corporate life to a very knowledgeable guy in the shop. Props!
So nice to see your father and you spending this time together and doing this! We only have so much time and this is such a special thing for both of you! ❤
The best days of my life were just my dad and me working in the shop together all winter one year. We kept warm with my old wood burning stove while we finished up a rock bouncer build. It's my favorite memory of him. He passed in 2022 at only 65. It makes me happy to see you working on an old hot rod with your dad, and reminds me of better days. Take in every little moment.
Hey Tony what a beautiful awesome video helping your dad out I lost my dad several years back and I miss him every day God bless you and your dad and enjoy all the time you have with him
This video is awesome. I'm a mustang guy all my 44 years. I drive a procharged 12. My wife and daughter wanted a project car. We found a 92 Z28. I debated going ls. But decided to just get a scat rotating assembly, some eBay 2.02/1.6 aluminum heads. I forget the cam but it was around .515/.515.We went with sniper EFI. 2400 stall built 700r4. Dynoed 325/390 @ 5600. 12.4 @ 111. My wife and daughter love it. Building the SBC was easy compared to modern engines.
I winced a little when you grounded to the crank,.You should have grounded to the pump. I love the show😁
Me too....
Oh shit moment for me ! arch the main bearings lol
283 fuelie and the 327/365 engines loved 7000-8000rpms all day long. They thrived on it. Is a LS a great engine yes. But what makes it is its heads . Newer SBC engine blocks by dart has the same / similar oilling systems . Sbc has a better clapping force around the cylinders then the LS engines unless you buy a tricked aftermarket block. Grubworm if grubworm racing proves it in his video about sealing under boost. He has the or one of the fastest SBC stick car in the country. Also LS fanboys do some research. Bill Grumpy Jenkins was making 327s into 331cid SBC making 750-850+ hp back in the late 1970's thru 1980's and winning championships. Tony its great to see you and your dad building a car together. I never got to do that before my dad passed away. Family is everything! Your a good man.
Ls junkyard motor. 327 small journal with 11.1 comp. U make the choice.
True. Spending money on good heads changes things. I have built a small block with RHS heads. A friend bought it from me becuae it reminded him of the LS he had before.
@tonyangelo your dad has the calmest demeanor I have ever seen. Dude is super chill on screen and easy to watch. Doesn't interrupt etc
To be fair, the 327 had dome pistons where the LS has dished. Big difference in compression with same 64cc heads. I would love to see the 5.3 have the flat top 4.8 pistons or 5.3 HO flat tops to see how it compares. Great video. Will have to see if summit does those heads with smaller cc chambers to keep compression up.
Tony's dad is a cool cat. It would be cool to see him more often on the channel.
Super cool! Don't forget the 5.3 is all aluminum... the weight savings will make a big difference in the car. What a great combo!
non adjustable valve train stinks!
@@andrewslagle1974hydraulic roller! What are you adjusting? 🤦🏽♂️
Yes, A much better choice for that Camaro. That was not an apple to apple comparison either...
I weighed both, Ready to run weights is 406(no coolant, 5qt oil alum head, mid intake, 750dp carb, torque starter, standard 90s flexplate fuel pump hei) the LS6 weighed 425lb, (starter. Alum block head. Pan everything. Standard 04 flexplate, tbss intake, same scenario *note no fuel pump, stock everything else.) Both without coolant, acessories or water pump, exhaust, air filter, both measured on the same scale. The gen 1+2 sbc 350 is smaller and lighter despite having a iron block and fuel pump. Also worth noting a sbc holds more coolant to make up for weight
Yeah they keep saying similar parts but in what world would anyone expect a hydro to keep up with a solid roller?
Dude, your dad is great. "I'll take whichever one puts up the numbers." I can't wait to see more of this build. Nice work on the engines guys!
Stone is an absolute gem. I am very glad he is part of this channel.
Thank you for the kind words 🙏
I enjoy making videos with my dad . The man taught me so much about car life. We build cars together race together always enjoy our time together. We just started a new series called muscle car corner . We talk about racing and for him what is was like owning and living in the Golden era of muscle cars. The storys I grew up on and made me want to build muscle cars.
I enjoy your channel and the cars you build. I just noticed you started a New addition to the channel. Who doesn't like to hear stories of people who actually bought those muscle cars in the day and to hear how fast they actually went. That's why I'm hooked on channels like These
Hey I love your channel. Awesome grassroots channel. You and the old man seem to have a blast together.
Old school small block with 18° or 15° heads and a roller lifter/cam setup 💪
This is cool ! I have a 327 and I was wondering what to do with it.. Thanks for sharing, had a lot of fun...
Awesome video !! I drove a 68 Convertable to high school !! 327 ! Same color and gut !! So stoked to see dads car finished !! Dad Rocks 👍🏻💯
Lucky you! Thanks for watching!
This was one of the best episodes of any car show I think I've ever seen. It was just a guy and his Pop and his buddies hanging in the shop doing what they do! When Pops said, "I'll take the one that makes the better numbers" I literally felt more AMERICAN than I've ever felt. I was just as surprised as y'all were when that SBC put down those numbers. The slap ass that was going on the entire video made me feel like I was at work with my friends, and the fact that Pops was there, I don't get that pleasure anymore, mines been gone since 2018, was the greatest part. Don't ever take that for granted! I love the show, and will continue to watch! Merry Christmas and have a wonderful New Year! Peace!
My first car, in ‘86, was a ‘67 Caprice. To this day I still own the 327 Turbofire, 192 doublehump heads (not the more sought after 202’s). It’s a 275 horse engine, bone stock and I’m anxious to go through it. It’s been a in a controlled climate since I pulled it from my ‘67 in 1998. The old school small blocks need new main bearings if you’re going to do the top end… or so I’ve been told.
Old school small blocks made great strokers. Block size through the 60’s remained the same for a 283 to a 400 (thanks Freiburger for that tidbit). Hardened valve seats for the SBC, since they love leaded fuel? Nice job moving engine to the clean room, Tony. This was a lot of fun to watch all the way through. It’s fantastic that you and your Pops are doing shit together. Gimme my old cast block, it’s good enough for me and now I know what to do. Thanks, Tony.
what a bad ass episode it was really cool to see the old school small block stand up to the LS. I’m very glad to be a member.🍕
I would love to see you guys do more of these motor comparisons
Australia had a lot of 307/327's floating around in the day and they literally got scrapped when the LS bug bit.
I've had a play with them as a Mopar guy and I quite like the iron blocks and the 327's go have when they breathe but youre spot on with the leaks and fumes and they need love regularly especially in Aussie Climate where the LS you can run hard and put away wet and then daily the thing but they dont look or smell as cool :-)
@@tony66au the LS bug, along with Covid and various other factors put some very reputable machine shops out of business. Very few were building. Just swapping. It’s evident in the bloviated LS is superior talk.
I may have missed it but what was the cost breakdown? I imagine the LS build was a lot more than the SB
Tony it is amazing to see you working with your old man in the shop. I love it.
ALSO, that dude has a wicked RMMF - Resting Mean-Mug Face LOL. Intimidating as HELL!!!
It is good to see your Dad helping you Fellers building his motor.!!
My Jedi like awareness senses a VGG fan in this feller???
Let's go. Was worried Tony was on vacation this week.
What's a vacation?!
@StayTunedTA as an avid watcher of StayTuned I have no idea how you do not have over 500k subscribers already. Great content. Great people. Just does not make sense to me.
I was starting to sweat too!
This build and compare is frickin awesome, but you doing this with your dad is awesomer
Love the father son video. I’m currently building a camaro with my dad as well. Hopefully will be a ripper this coming spring
I enjoy these type of videos, building them , then testing, great video.
Awesome engine builds guys , I love Tony's Dad is working with you guys ! He is in there cleaning up sons mess as usual ! Lol That 327 isn't a 327 punch 30 over ? But still killer motor ! Fantastic episode, Love the Dino , Tony looks like engine master guy ? David lamo !
You also told him the pistons were flat top 10.5 to 1 When clearly they are 11.0 to 1 pop ups. lol. I love this channel!!
😂😂😂 the Oracle, who's that? Fryburger. You are a very lucky man to have helped build you father his dream car I wish mine was still around to be able to do that love ya pops
One of the best(and most on the level) sbc vs. LS shootouts on TH-cam. Awesome job!! Another great feature vid. You guys are killing it!!!
Just for those who didn't already know. Flat tappet cams are ground with a miniscule taper to them to cause them to naturally want to "push" toward the rear of the engine.
7:04 thought i was watching a deberti video for a min "muh dad muh dad" 😂😂😂
So cool that your Dad is there working with you guys. Special times for you, Tony. Cheers from near Aspen, CO.
Love you tony, near America in the south above the equator west of the Mississippi
The proper way to build the front end is to mount the inner fenders into the outer fenders 1st. It's gonna be a struggle otherwise. When I swap my Camaro's engine I pull the entire front clip off intact after just disconnecting the engine harness.
Figured this out the hard way
Just bumpin this up. Hope Tony catches this. 😎👍
Yes, lol we have learned that. I got them a whole order of operations off of the Camaro forum.
Man do I wish my dad was still around. I miss him dearly. Great video, I felt some tears welling up. Thanks.
Great episode Angelo!
Keep doing this type videos.
Is it just me or is Tony's dad kind of a badass
You can't forget the 327 had some pretty aggressive dome pistons and solid lifters. I'm sure the 5.3 would make a bunch more power with a different set of pistons
Just a bigger cam would put it over the top, flat tops, 58-61cc chambers, thinner head gaskets would all just be gravy.
The cam really cuts the balls off the LS,there are bigger factory LS cams then the one they used
They probably ended up at similar compression ratios, stock ls is in the 10.5:1 range
The 275 hp 327 came with flat tops, the 340-360hp 327 from the earlier 60s Corvettes came with dome pistons,
you need some small chambers to get any real compression out of these with flat top pistons
Probably could have dialed in that tune also
My Dad and I tore down our first engine together when I was 16. A old school 283 in a '67 Malibu. We did it in a single bay gadage with a junk winch tied by chain to a rafter. That was 1984 and it seems like yesterday.
RIP Dad.
First engine rebuild for me was a 283 in a 65 Impala in 1975. My sis had a 67 Malibu with a 327 and I always have loved those cars!
My neighbor has a Twin Turbo 283
He can spin 8200rpm no problem
REPEATEDLY @ 12lbs boost
Insane
Try a gen 1 sbc with AFR Heads and solid roller Cam ! Put it in two identical cars and race 🏁 😎
Was not gonna watch all of this long video,but man it was sooo good I watched every second.Loved the father/son time together with good friends.The Oracle nod was killer and the fun with Wilson dyno guys rounded out good times.Yall are doing great shtuff,keep it up
Tony is definitely getting the buzz with this video. Just left a live discussion about it on Richard Holdener's channel.
Coming in clutch with the ever "Holy" dad jokes
1:00:50 Tony clamped the welder's ground onto the flex plate to weld the pickup tube onto the oil pump, thereby running the current through the bearings, because they're the only thing connecting the crank to the block. Hopefully it didn't try to weld any of the bearings to the crank. Personally I would have clamped it on the pickup tube instead.
Looking for this comment… I cringed a bit when he did that.
You don't weld much do you
@@gabrielh5937 Depends what comes through the shop, but it's rare for a week to go by with no welding. Tell me master welder, what is the flaw in my reasoning?
@@gabrielh5937One of the first things my instructor taught us in our welding class at my local community college was never ground through a bearing. In this case it likely left a small arc crater on one of the bearings. If you ground through greased ball bearings, they can explode with enough current. Have you ever heard of Electrical Discharge Machining? Same principle here, the arc vaporizes a small amount of material. If you ever have a bad ground connection and it is just touching the workpiece, you can see these small arcing marks.
Dads face when he seen the numbers on the 327 was awesome Great episode From you and the guys Tony and really cool seeing pop
the only reason i would not use the og motor is the oil leaks with the rear main and valve covers it took till 86 before GM addressed those issues. plus it's heavier
At the end of the day its the heads/cam/top end that makes power. You throw similar top ends on similar displacement engines and they'll do exactly what you would expect-make similar numbers (regardless if its sbc, Ls, ford, chrysler, whatever). Ls's got popular back in the day cause it was a cheap easy way to get creature comforts like fuel injection and overdrive transmissions etc. But I still remember the days when guys thought Ls blocks were "glass". Now everybody thinks they're magic (to be fair, there are a lot of benefits with them). I did love seeing that old school 327 rip though-that thing just sounded pissed off 💪😎
My favorite is arguing with LS guys over big blocks. A big block is pulling those HP numbers at 9:1 with a milder cam at 6000 rpm and gobs more torque down low. LS guys are a special kind of people.
at one time they sold a aftermarket cast sbc block that used ls heads and top end. it made good power from what I remember
@@jsomething2 that's actually an interesting product. One of the best things about ls's is the availability of really decent flowing heads. That's why I said in my original post "with similar flowing heads". But yes, sbc's are mostly limited to vortex heads, at least as far as factory stuff. With that said, I've used vortecs and they're pretty damn good. But I'd be interested to see a 383 or 406 with some decent LS heads, that would be cool
Love seeing pops in the mix!!
LS cam bearings are line honed from factory, the cam tunnels are all over the place. theyll always have copper showing.
Fun fact, early model LS1 engines have with non-coated copper bearings.
I SHAT myself initially when I pulled mine apart (because I could see the machining lines in it very clearly) but they're factory. GM switched to babbit in 2000 model year.
I came here to look for this comment
wow, thats got to be the dumbest thing ive ever seen. sbc doesnt have that problem.
@@frigglebiscuit7484 give and take. You take cam bearings that likely wont ever wear but you make 450hp on unicorn piss of great heads great intake large cam, Ill take being good about maintenance and make 500hp with just a cam on a stock engine.
@1:29:00 Spoke like a wise man who's been there and done that. Real enthusiast's love to drive and enjoy the car, not chase 10 HP for horrible reliability and frustrating maintenance. Well done guys!
People been building these for many years. My old CNC shop supervisor took junk yard engines and made 383 strokers. We used to go out kilkare and watch him run into the tens in his 68 firebird and 69 Camaro. Hard to beat Chevy small blocks. They been running America all my fifty years
Acetone to your cut: "Call me elf one more time. " Is Stone a liar liar? 2 builds and dyno same episode? Thats 3 videos for mortal youtubers.
You forgot the small block was 40 over with Dome Pistons compression is horsepower
Yea and you could tell it had more Comp. it was louder in DB / Audio gain for sure!!
RIGHT !!! The 327 was punched 40 over w/ high compression pistons.
333ci sbc vs 325ci LS
More displacement / higher compression more power.
LS held its own for completely stock bottom end
Yep.
The displacement differential is too small to matter. The LS is 9,4:1, the SBC with dome pistons will be over 10.5:1.
@@DBSSTEELER I point of compression = 2 to 3 percent more power. So at 400 hp one point of compression is worth 8 to 12 hp.
@@Rogue_Moose the LS also had a better flowing larger runner head.
Old school small block all the way. Just think Duntov came up with this in what 53 or 54? and it is still rocking today!! I love the way they sound and you can tell it had more grunt. Ls is good but 327 is better. But hey I`m old also LOL. Great video man you always make the longer vids that I love. Thanks Guys.
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Zora Arkus-Duntov
19:44 and there it is that’s the clean engine building area! too funny!
Having experience as both a dad & a son, doing intergenrational stuff is the best. Cherish these moments guys. Great show! The motor stuff was good too.
Great builds, but I`m 67 and the old school 327 screamer is from my childhood, like that Camaro tickles the little kid in me. Those leaks can be sealed, I pick the old SBC. My cousin still has his 67 Camaro with a 327 and it still RIPS! It`s his baby and has been meticulously maintained.
tunedbyai AI fixes this. SBC vs LS1 engine showdown
Hi Tony’s mom!
Another great video. I love the family aspect and the new school / old school aspect. Keep up the great work. I also think it is HILARIOUS that Richard Holdner made a video about your video. T/A forever!!!
This is awesome, great way to spend time with dad, doing something you both enjoy! Wish I had this kind of relationship with my father, and the means to do things like this with him as well.