Logitech G923 vs. Thrustmaster T248: Which is the Better Wheel in 2023?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 มี.ค. 2022
- The entry level in simracing has the most important job. It needs to provide competent equipment set at a decent entry price. Decent all things considered because the chip shortage has been a crunch. They need to provide all the features, like force feedback, a good deal of buttons, console compatibility and a decent enough set that lasts years. And with that the two to look at, at this moment are the Logitech G923 and the Thrustmaster T248.
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Which one would you go for?
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If I was new to sim racing I would go for the Thrustmaster. For console gamers you have more options with Thrustmaster. You can buy into the eco system get the TH8A, TSSH+, T-LCM's and then when you outgrow the T248 you can take all those accessories with you to your next Thrustmaster wheelbase. If you only play on PC of course this makes no difference as you can use any gear you want with the Logitech or Thrustmaster.
The Logitech (and did), because I found it new for $200 shipped, so it made the decision very easy.
@@Nitrousbird where do you find it for 200 shipped, ive been looking for days, thanks
found a t248 on sale. paid 250 euros and i'm happy with the thing. logitech looks better tho.
Thrustmaster because my Logitech rattles like crazy.
Playing on a v9 taught me something i never thought i'd learn. While its important to have ffb, having pedals that give you confidence makes world of difference in consistency. I could catch the slide visually but could never consistenly apply the correct pedal inputs to balance the car. Thanks for the comparison!
Owning a g923 myself,I think the best point of it rn (if the prices are exactly the same for both) is the modding scene. There will be available a plethora of mods that can change the experience of the wheel even for cheap,like magnetic paddles,brake mods and etc. Since the form factor is just so old and stablished.
Another benefit of there being a massive community is that you can get a lot of help and setups from other people for certain games as well as help if something goes wrong
Here's a stupid question, is there a way to change the wheel? I love the g923, but I can't stand how small the wheel is.
@@a.dudeman7715 acelith formula mod. Or those universal 3d printed adapters that allow you to put car wheels on it.
@@neblolthecarnerd Thank you!
@@neblolthecarnerd yeah,that too. I had the G29 for a couple of months before have to send it to the warranty and Logitech kindly offered me the g923. The frustating part is that the time I've spent learning about the G series up to the G29 was a total waste of time when the g923 arrived. Its the same but completly different in a few points as no need of LUT in AC for example (which is a god sent to me).
Keep up the great work mate 👍
Went ahead and ordered the G920 a few days back. Just barely getting into sim racing. Will be saving up for a Fanatec, but the more reviews I see, the more I'm thinking I probably won't even need an expensive wheel.
if ur on xbox fanatec most things on the wheel wont work ik this myself as i have a fanatec mclaren gt3 v2
Fanatec are too expensive
You can turn the dampening off in the Thrustmaster's software. This is advised for anyone who buys this wheel, as well as setting the spring to zero
How do you set the spring to 0
Only in PC?
can you do that on playstation?
There is one downside to the G923 pedals, and that's that you cant use them up against a wall very well. The cable gets trapped between the wall and the base, and the back of the unit is convex so it can move when you press the accelerator, then again when you press the clutch or brake.
I haven't used the TM pedals so couldn't comment on them.
Thanks I gout 1 4 200 cause a u
T248 my first steps into Sim Racing. My times have dramatically improved, braking is better...NEVER going back to control pad.
The only things i dislike are the noisy shifters..but that can be modded and the slightly spongy Accelerator..I'm sure a mod with appear for that
The higher you go up the sim ladder the noisier they get depending on the route
You have no idea how much I was waiting for this comparison! Thanks (for the second time lol)
Thanks for the review! Can we also take a moment to appreciate that delta in the showcase laps barely going anywhere, positive or negative, and have a round of applause for that consistency! :D
RC, do you think there will be any significant revisions to the T248 FFB software in the future (since it is still a comparatively new product)? That lack of feeling in the rear of the car would be really concerning to me as someone who prefers setups with a car that oversteers on the limit, but I have a feeling that the T248's limitation could be overcome with custom FFB files, further tweaking, etc.
TM recently updated the firmware of their wheels so some will now have a boost mode option in the settings, unsure exactly how much extra but some are saying it improves the strength and detail on TM wheels. I'm not sure for the T248 but it works amazingly well with the T300 and feels much more detailed.
Having bought the T248 a few months ago, I definitely understand what you mean with "not feeling the rear" - I do league racing in F1 2021 and I have suffered from this ever since I switched from a controller to the T248 as my first wheel. I am not able to extract more laptime out of my car than what I am able to feel and that is a reality with this wheel. The lack of feeling on the rear of the car seems to be less problematic on ACC for example but it's still something present. Apart from that and the loudness from the Paddle Shifters, everything is awesome with this wheel :) happy to not have to return my wheel 2 months after buying it due to sensor problems as the Logitech buyers unfortunately have to do often.
I advise everyone that owns a T248 to crank up the Strenght to a high level (80%) on the wheel itself (and reduce to 60-80% ingame, depending on the title) to counter the "ghost rear" effect a bit and turn off Dampening in the software (type "Control Panel" on Windows Search bar and a wheel icon should come up).
How is the steering wheel today? I don't know if it gets software updates, but is it better?
if you prefer strong arcade like force feedback, would you go with logitech or thrustmaster?
After owning both I think the t248 has the better base but the g923 has the better wheel imo. The g923 also integrates better with the Ps5 as it replaces the controller. It will turn ps5 on by pressing the ps button. The t248 you still need to use the controller. The brake pedal is better on the t248 but but you need to mount the pedals on a stand or rig to keep them in place. G923 has the carpet grippers built in so you don’t need a stand/rig. For me, price being the same I would choose the g923 or spend more on a direct drive wheel
U don’t need a controller for the t248 I start the ps5 with it and scroll through the menus… maybe an update
Finally someone is talking properly about the pedals!!!
what is your setting for the logitech wheel in ACC?
I'm still rocking the T-150, lol. I like it. I just did what everyone else did and upgraded the pedals. In my case I chose the exact same set as the T248's, the magnetic actuation is such a game changer. I use a PC so I didn't get the $200 shifter from them, I saved a fortune and got the hugely popular 7+R ebay Chinese shifter, all metal and shifts with authority. I added the also hugely popular ebay Chinese handbrake as well keeping my costs to a minimum and allowing me to have fun on a budget. Just got the NLR GT Lite for Xmas as well, so now my cheapo rig is complete. You don't have to spend a fortune to Sim race people!
I’ve just recently ordered a g923 but it took be a while to decide between the g923 and the t248. I went with the g923 since theres cheap mods and the shifter is only $60 while the thrust master is $200.
I run a logitech g29 with a thrustmaster shifter only because with the thurstmaster shifter you get what you pay for, way better feel not feeling plastic, plus the thrustmaster shifter runs of magnets so it will never wear down. I have ran it for 2 or so years and haven't had a single issue out of it and I have abused the ever living hell out of it so in my opinion from someone who has ran both the thrustmaster shifter is the way to go if you are playing pc.
You can get a Lego Bodnar adapter to use the Driving Force Shifter withoit the G923 just so you know! I had used it when my shifter for my G27 bit the dust.
However the shifter on the TM side is so much better with hall effect sensors (if i'm not wrong)...
@@kalebasphalt Your right, the TH8A is built to last, had mind for years without any issues.
Cancel your order and get a t300rs gt. You can thank me later.
as a kid, i got the g923 for my first sim racing wheel and i'm very happy with it other than the brake pedal i'm a bit annoyed with because of the stiffness, but other than that, do any of you guys think that i should've gone with the t248 or should i stick to the g923?
there should be a way to fix the brake pedal stiffness. theres a couple of videos that show how
The trustmaster is going for the same price as the G29 right now. Although effectively the same wheel, is the trustmaster a better deal when compared to the slightly older model?
The t248 is a decent upgrade from both the t150 and the g29. But the g29 will last longer
Why can't you hear your wheel in the background? Is there some kind of fix to the loudness
My problem is that neither my G29 nor G920 wheels will calibrate anymore.
I just did a repair on my alienware alpha system and tried to setup my wheel but neither one will go through the auto calibrate process at system startup so now I have to purchase yet another wheel and shifter combo and it's definitely not going to be another Logitech wheel.
Is it worth upgrading from a g920 to a t248
9:32 does that third party kit with the elastomer come with the springs as well? Was thinking of ordering it for my T3PM set that came with my T248, but don't want to waste my money if I'm supposed to have the springs from the TLCM set already
no
@@randomcallsign Well I won't order it then. Thanks for the reply
@@combatwombat594 the t3pm does not need tlcm springs for the elastomer upgrade from 3drap. you use the stock silver spring that comes with the t3pm. the video showed the tlcm elastomer upgrade, that also uses the stock springs. you dont need to buy the springs for either one. just buy the appropriate elastomer.
Will either wheel work on pc gamepass?
does any one know how i can mount the logitech wheel into moza r9 wheel base? i think there is an adapter but i dont know the size
Wow I was waiting for a side by side comparison of the g923 and the t248. Gonna buy the t248 tho cause it is 100€ off in Greece lol (and decent pedals)
@Sister Mary Clements I already got it. Seems awesome
Which of these could I use for both the PS5 and Forza on PC?
Thanks in advance.
Both
do you know if thrustmaster and Logitech warranty is transferable if you buy it used?
check the law of your country
My thrustmaster tx has broken and I'm using my old logitech dfgt for the time being (suprisingly good). How does the t248 compare with the tx/t300?
The T300 is going to be overall a better wheel, the T248 would be a bit of a downgrade over the T300.
@@F1DrivingZombie Agreed. And they're about the same price so no idea why someone would choose the t248 or the g923.
@@regibson23 Depends on the region mate, T248 cost here 239 euro and T300 is 350.
Yeah, i like the Driving Force wheels too. Returned my new G923 and decided to keep using the Driving Force wheel instead!
@@andymaxwell23 I'm using the ffbclip app in assetto corsa set to dynamic mode with the gain set to 130-140%. Even better now!
My G29 pedals are starting to fail on me a bit. The throttle seems to glitch out a bit and misinterprets how far I'm pushing the pedal. Not sure if the T3PM is any better but the potentiometers in the Logitech pedals seems pretty iffy from everything I've read.
All potentiometers are going to fail sooner or later, so t3pm will run into same issues given enough time.
t3pm is much better.
I've only used t3pa which I think are good (great compared to logitech), and t3pm are supposed to be a lil better, but also much better in reliability and long term use (no wear)
After 4 years heavy use, my g920 gas pedal stopped working correctly, a simple fix which does work, I used this method on my g25 years ago as well. The Potentiometer is dirty inside, take the pedals apart and spray the Potentiometer inside with spray silicone lubricant ( buy it at Toolstation) work the pedal at the same time, repeat a few times. My pedal works perfectly now, I fixed it 3 months ago . Hope this helps 👍
My sensors fail on t248
T3pm pedals use magnetic Hall-effect sensors, so unless the electronics go haywire or the wiring fails, they're much less likely to have problems.
(The "m" in TM nomenclature means "magnetic", or Hall-effect.)
The older T3pa pedals are analog, with potentiometers, and are still sold with other TM wheels. Both because those sets have been in production for a while, and also they have well-established load-cell mods.
I would prefer the g923,the only thing holding me back is the reviews I’ve seen about the pedals failing because of the senses
You just clean them and they are good to go, it's easy to do
My G920 pedal cable broke between the wall and the paddle unit.
The Trustmaster cable go from the left or right side and will never brake between the wall and the paddle unit.
Never ever a Logitech wheel again for me !!!
I just bought T248 for under 200 GBP :D
I went for the g923, and I regret it. My main usage, being drifting, is a pain, and racing is almost boring. It is so freaking loud, very weak, and dare I say overpriced. Trueforce is cool, and the only reason I don't use it much is because ACC is the only game I own that supports it. The pedals are also loud if you fiddle with them, or let them loose from the bottom, but the progressive spring in the brake is at least a redeeming quality. That is my short review
Logitech G923 TRUEFORCE because of mods from 3DRap and available Load Cell Conversion Upgrade kit V3 from Ricmotech
I just ordered the T248 not that I am a sim racer, but just to cross things off my bucket list. I watched a few videos and the T248 was slightly better than the G923 on those videos. However, I loved the fact that it has a display on the wheel that tells you speed etc. I would have preferred the G923 based on the wheel leather, but the boys toy display was far too much to resist. I will try it out at some point, but I am waiting until they make the Driving Miss Daisy game as that is more my speed. However, one thing that I notice is that none of the videos mention anything about additional products such as the gear stick, but I guess I am going to have to find out the hard way for myself. A very big negative, but I do not watch all the way through, so it might have been mentioned, but I just wish youtubers would do chapters and just say which one is the best at the start of the video and then let the viewer to decide if they want to watch the rest of the video or not.
I am in doubt guys, I can get a g293 plus playseat challenge for €200. Is it a good deal?
yes
@@randomcallsign thanks man, just bought it 😁
Since upgrading from the G29 to the G923 last year, it felt like I had gotten slower in terms of pace. It's taken forever just to feel like I'm improving again. Anyone else feel that way?
Curious, what made you take the side grade?
@@robertt9342 I thought the Trueforce would be a game-changer, but it didn't necessarily help with my pace. I've naturally gotten quicker since then, but it's hard to beat a Fanatec. I should have just saved up my money and waited to get the DD1.
Hey for me the t248 is 250 brand new and the g923 is 380! I will get the t248.
video came out 2022 March, title says which is better is 2023? are you a fortune teller?
2023? uploaded 9 month ago?
Thrustmaster just for the extremely smooth feel and to match up with the shifter you will have a perfect set instead of Logitechs cheap chucky cheese shifter
Logitech shifter is ass lol guess that’s why it’s only 60
Personally, I would say the T300 RS would be a better buy on this level of beginner wheel bases. However, I wouldn't recommend any of them. After a couple of months, people *usually* start craving more power, and feedback.
Right now, these plastic belt driven wheel bases are getting phased out, and a lot more companies are coming out with smaller direct drive wheel bases.
Sadly, as of right now Fanatec is the only company that is offering a plug-and-play DD system to both Console, and PC. I'm not a fan of that company, but it's the best bet for future proofing one's investment. If money is an issue, wait a little bit longer to save more money.
I’ve been using my t300rs nearly daily for 3 years now with 0 problems, also doing heavy stuff like dirt rally with it, I guess Im lucky then XD
@@stidjen_3042 I guess? I don't remember stating any problems?
@@atrain132 yea I know, but was just giving my positive experience
Why aren’t you a fan?
@@MarkNOTWfor starters, because there's better quality products out there than Fanatec, which gets more credit that they deserve.
where I live the t248 is 450$ not including the shifter, absolutely not worth it, at that price I would just get the t300 rs gt, the t248 is a cheap plastic toy that is a diminishing return, my friend bought it and I played it and he sent it back within 3 days, it feels even cheaper than the g920 which is significantly less expensive
Sure if you want to throw an extra 100 dollars out the window for the 923. Its a gimmick from Logitech. How many game support this new true force? The same number the g923 launched with not to mention the games supported are not the most note worthy. Go with the G920 and save a lot of cash or thrustmaster if your budget allows.
Owned the G923, great wheel for what it is. Personally I think it overpriced compared to the one it replaced. The Logitech shifter is absolute trash though. I kept my Logitech setup for 3 weeks then returned it and ordered a Fanatec GT DD Pro with shifter and some accessories. I recommend just saving more and getting the Fanatec since it’s a direct drive and better value
Logitech g29 feels more comfy and will encourage you to go for that if you don’t care about DD still waiting for Logitech to make a DD
I'm a fan boy.... Not even gona lie, went from my g29 to the 923 and I'm happy. My t80, t150 before failed on me.... So am happy with less power for reliability aswell as the really nice ffb feel from the 923....there is something very unique feeling with the logitech gear regardless of it being outdated tech. Going to get trufebrake mode soon so should still do the job. Also here in South Africa the thrustmaster is about R3000 rand more..... I only paid 5000 for my 923. Circumstances I suppose, but happy non the less. Great review btw.
yeah, thats definetly the trade off. I've tried g29 and t150 (pro).
I'd chose t150 any day because of superior pedals and better ffb, while being cheaper. But logitech's wheels are as you say more reliable. Older g29's are in better shape than older t150's. And logitech has better materials, also a bit less noisy. Still, I think it's too much of a sacrifice on the ffb for me, even a bit on smoothness.
although I dont understand why you went from g29 to 923? theyre the same wheel..
@@user-wq9mw2xz3j nope
Defs not
Similar, but enough imo to get a bit more out of the experience
I advice anyone to skip this price bracket and go straight to a budget dd like the CSL DD.
Okay, but it costs $1000 for that full kit. You can get a refurb G923 for $250
@@Skippernomnomnom 350 for the base, 200 for a good wheel, 80 for the basic pedals. 630 all in for a setup that is futureproof and even has a nice upgrade path with the boost kit and load cell addons in the future. For 250 you get a frustrating slow wheel with bad pedals. After 6 months you'll be upgrading anyway. I know this because thats exactly what happened to me. I had the t150 pro and i regret not going straight for dd instead.
Second hand T500? Hehehe
I have the T248 and i'm in love with it. For the price I got that (265€) it's hella good
With g923 being a bit more expensive than g29/g920 and t248 now dropping in price, they are the same price. T248 imo is the obvious much better choice, both pedals and wheel.
Right now at this point in time the T248 is a no-brainer to me as the best entry level wheel. You get stronger force feedback than the G923, and better pedals than the T300 RS GT. And it's less expensive than both.
@@armandoalvarado5840 i meant purely compared against g923 though. You can get a g29/g920 for cheaper or t300 a bit more expensive but better. So I wouldn't call it a no brainer.
Then it's also totally different if you are open to buying used ones too.
t248 or g923 woh is better?
its on the video
Owning both.....get the t248 !!its way better
Idk why im looking this when i bought a t248 for 230€ .... And g29 its 300€ Or more Lol.
Ship shortage??
Chip shortgae. You know, the reason why there arent any ps5 around and everything electronic is expensive
Neither. The answer is T300RS GT. Done. No video needed.
All 3 of these are around $400 but the t300rs wheel base is leagues ahead of the t248 and g923.
T300 RS GT is $450. T248 is $350 with better pedals.
in my opinion the t300rs GT is a better choice than the t248.
Yeah and 150 more money
And not xbox compatible
almost every problem from t248 is solved
T300RS no dubt
Avoid the Logitech wheel. The software hardly works which means you can spend 20-40 min everytime you want to race screwing with the program to get it to recognize the wheel. The software causes stutters in multiple sims (Codemasters and WRC games mostly). Avoid it at all costs. Look at the Thrustmaster offerings. In all fairness, the G series wheels do feel the best in hand with a nice leather wrap but the downsides make it unusable.
You're using the wrong foot on your brake pedal. Left foot should only control the clutch. Right foot controls gas and brake.
Never heard of left foot braking?
@@randomcallsign never heard of heel toeing?
@@realestreaIist yes. It's unrelated to left foot braking. One is for downshifting and the other one is for minimizing the lag between braking and throttling up and even creating overlap between inputs for, say, stability out of a corner.
It's a really common technique used in rally, fast driving and GT racing. Check it out, there's plenty of videos about it.
@@randomcallsign Touche, good point.
I bought a G923 a month ago, I returned it for the T248 because Assetto Corsa kept crashing with Ghub installed. The T248 is the superior product when compared to anything logitech.
You still happy with the purchase? I just bought a T248 From Thrustmasters website for 300$ and was deciding on that or the 923 but I read reviews the force feedback was better than logitechs
You still happy with the purchase? I just bought a T248 From Thrustmasters website for 300$ and was deciding on that or the 923 but I read reviews the force feedback was better than logitechs
Seems kinda bias
The G29 is better than both of them without a doubt. I don't care what anybody says. It's the best wheel available and I love it!!
Neither, get a T300.
That thing costs twice as much ad a g29
T300 doesn’t work with pc version of Xbox game pass either. Wanted to in preparation for fm8 but gamepass only supports Xbox wheels
Getting a t300 for retail price is a lot easier said than done. You can’t even order one from Thrustmaster. Not on the U.S. site anyhow.
@@sambessey7946 then get a tx
@@sambessey7946 I use a ps4 g923 with Xbox game pass on pc
In this new age, both are not a valid option, get a low force DD, like the csl DD. geared or belts wheels don't compare. Don't believe the hype, 5 Nm or 8 Nm is more than enough, unless you enjoy racing with sore wrists. VRS DFP user here. 30 % of it's the force is way more than enough.
The force and smoothness did not meet my expectations. Eveyone thinks bigger is better.
I'm pretty sure if people have $1,000 USD (CSL DD + Pedals + wheels) laying around, they will get the CSL DD over these cheaper entry level wheel bundle.
@@RoMeeHang this is why you upgrade it slowly like I did. Went to pedals a year later bought the csl dd with a rim. All you have to do is price it out and should be good. Sold my txm pro for $200 and pretty much paid for the rim that way
Both are crap, unsuitable for purchase.
In fact, literally the ONLY reasons I can think of for why you'd think Logitech's G923 has the higher clarity/fidelity, aka "resolution" of force feedback vs Thrustmaster's T248 are these two. 🤷 ↓
1. Because you tested w/ ACC, which is one of the ONLY "TrueForce" compatible games in existence. (Aka, it's one of literally like THREE total games which can use the standard video game controller-esque "TrueForce" rumble motors in the G923 for vibration effects... well, at least until those rumble motors seemingly WITHOUT FAIL end up breaking & failing and from then on sounding & feeling like absolute ASS, that is. 🤷)
2. Because you had to T248's force feedback settings set incorrectly. Aka, either it wasn't actually maxed out at 100% and/or arguably MORE importantly/likely, you had the feedback style preset set to the arguably worst "FFB1" stock default instead of the by FAR most detailed "FFB3" setting that you actually should have been using!!!
Hi, thanks for the input. You seem rather worked out and aggressive about this with no reason whatsoever
1 - In this video only ACC is checked as a matter of comparison, though in the review just for T248 done a couple of weeks before and took about a month to do, multiple other titles are checked, AC, GTSport, ACC and AMS2.
2 - The G923 felt always better even in the titles outside trueforce.
3 - You have a misunderstanding of what the FFB settings are. FFB1 isn't "stock", its the linear torque curve setting. FFB3 makes all canned effects present and muddies the overall experience. It's an option, that's about it. FFB3 doesn't eliminate the slow steering rack nor the lack of back-end feel that other users have reported including in this same video.
Have a nice day
You are literally the ONLY PERSON I've yet heard who has used both wheels claim that the force feedback "fidelity/resolution" is HIGHER with the much lower power, "GEAR ONLY" motor in the G923 when compared the significantly higher power & physically smoother feeling wheel to turn "gear + belt hybrid" motor in Thrustmaster's T248... 🤦😑
I've ALSO personally used both wheels before, and couldn't POSSIBLY DISAGREE WITH YOU MORE!!!
IMO in my hands on experience, the ONLY WAY that the G923 actually FUNCTIONS better than the T248 is in terms of their max motor driven wheel spin speed, where Logi is a noticeable bit faster.
But in LITERALLY EVERY OTHER WAY POSSIBLE related to a FFB wheel & pedal set's actual core function/functionality (aka Logi's better external wheel materials quality is irrelevant here), the T248 is anywhere from "moderately better" to "ABSOLUTELY FUCKING STRATOSPHERICALLY AHEAD"!!!
Logitech g29 feels more comfy and will encourage you to go for that if you don’t care about DD still waiting for Logitech to make a DD