Tesla Model S | Battery Upgrades | Gruber Motors
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- In this video, we explore Tesla main battery replacement options for the Model S.
Tesla was kind enough to provide us information regarding the technical considerations, and limitations for pack swaps and upgrades. This information presented is important to guide and set parameters for independent swap efforts to avoid safety and performance concerns.
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I am amazed on how clear and easy to understand he can explain! By explaining this way he can reach very large crowd. Excellent!
i must agree with you, being non-primary english language, this video is very entuative
Great video ! Holding out for a better cell with lighter weight to come out when my s needs a pack
I don't believe the 100kw upgrade story
the real story is.. gotta buy a new tesla if you want the biggest battery ;)
So this is where Cypher went after going back into the Matrix.
LOL
My Model S 70 wants to be a Model S 90 some day.
I got a 70D would be nice to have a 90D one day...
You should upgrade to the new 4860 when available, while it is a structural pack, that is mainly on the component itself and should still be able to fit into the bottom of your car.
@@theadventureinsider Fingers crossed.
Battery envy is the only thing I have for the new chars.
I have a bigger issue, my model 3LR thinks it should transforms into a P100D
I don't believe the 100kw upgrade story
If I upgrade battery, would I lose my free supercharging?
i wanna know also anyone??
I don’t think so, people have gotten warranty upgrades from 85 to 90 and no mention of losing any benefits
I would doubt it. If Tesla did it then it was a covered repair that you paid for. I believe this free supercharging follows the vehicle. If you have the battery repair or improvement done by a third party organization I'm not even sure your car is going to realize that it was done. So I again suspect it won't matter.
We would like to see folks like you and Sandy (M.) pushing Tesla to create backward compatible battery packs for the original Model S (s) when the new battery cell technology hits the market. Don't let Tesla pull a Steve J and violate all the customer base that took risk as early adopters only to be abandoned by their trusted brand by no longer making backward compatible SW or in Tesla's case, batteries. Just think how cool it would be to have a 2012 Model S with a new technology battery that gave it 300+ mile range........ at a cost of $5,000.00 installed by Tesla. The world would trust Tesla forever knowing they could invest in an expensive car and Tesla would not forget them.
I love these videos. When the model 3 starts getting out of warranty this company is going to see a huge spike in work orders. Would love to hear about model 3 battery upgrade options!
Another excellent video. Would be nice down the road to install a 90 pack into my 70
Do you currently work with Tesla on getting these battery packs? For example I have a 60kw 2013 model. How much would it cost now to get 90? Can you get a quote from Tesla and do the swap? Also are those packs new or refurbished? And what is the new warranty on a freshly purchased pack like that? I know a lot of questions just like Neo had at the beginning :)
would also love to hear a response to this question
Gruber has gotten ahead of the curve on this service and the technology to make it affordable. I see big things in your future. You’ve earned it.
If I upgrade my 60 kwh to 90 kwh, do I continue to get the free lifetime supercharging that came with the car in 2013? Thanks.
No Model S 40's were delivered with 40kWh batteries, they were all SW limited 60 kWh packs.
Why are you wearing sunglasses inside? Wearing sunglasses is not conducive to quality communication and makes you seem untrustworthy.
My hope is that my 2013 S85 battery will last until the new higher performance batteries (ie. 4680) enter the marketplace and I can replace it with the new/superior battery technology (yes, I am THAT happy with my S -- it's simply the best car I have ever owned). Do you think that will happen?
January 2024: 85Kw battery (remanufactured) price from Tesla in LA: $16K after tax
Absolutely love these videos. Love the product knowledge I’m gaining from them 👍🏻👍🏻 keep em coming
I would love to see you detail the process you use to find a parasitic cell.
If you upgrade the 85d battery does the free supercharging stick with the car? Or does that disappear with a battery upgrade?
When you upgrade from a old 60kW to new 90 kW what charging speed will you get ? The first charging curve when the car was new is not the same today. The question is will a new battery get a updated charging curve?
Why can't you add connection to external battery packs at the rapid splitter? Or add a 400V DC charge to the same area? Then maybe the car could charge stationary or while driving. The regenerative braking does this anyway!
didn't Rich rebuilds fit a P100D battery and motor into a 75D
Many people have done it. Same physical dimensions, and a few bits in the software. Collision safety, and handling will slightly be compromised ...
Yeah he did. Pretty sure Rich doesn't give a #$%& about safety. He probably was even aware that Tesla says not to do this, though this is the first time I've heard about it. I watched that Rich Rebuilds episode months ago.
@@jonathansage2147 - Rich used a kitchen knife to pop panels. safety is not a top priority there.
@@Andrew-vt7mi 100% agree lol
Question.
Will tesla remove my unlimited free supercharging if i swap my p85d battery with a p90d at a thrid party shop?
Anybody knows? Please, any answer will help
Hi, Pete. What are your thoughts on using "end of life" Model S packs as power walls? When it comes time for me to upgrade to a newer pack for my 2016 P90D, I would like to use the old pack as stationary storage for my house. It seems to me that this sort of 2nd life for the pack would be ideal.Is this at all feasible? What are the cons of such an idea?
A question for the near future. I have a late 2018 MS P100D. If the battery was to replaced, do you think that using 4680 cells would be possible? No idea how many things that would impact in the 2018 design. But if it can be done, even if it's 50% the cost of a replacement 100 kwh pack, that would be a great option.
Love to hear your thoughts on this. Maybe not enough info right now. But, when the time is right, looking forward to seeing an analysis. And obviously this would apply M3 and Y owners.
Was recently quoted a 85 kw battery replacement of 12.5k out the door from tesla
Can you upgrade a Tesla Model S 85D to increase the charging speed? Even with a little battery degradation, the range is still acceptable. But the time spent at the supercharger is miserable. My wife's 2022 M3LR charges *so* fast (at V3 chargers). Even though it has longer range, we really don't stop any more often than in our MS. But the quicker charge times make a huge difference on a several-hundred-mile trip. There was some kind of charging upgrade available when we got the MS that was supposed to decrease charging times. Maybe that option can be retrofitted? Thanks!
That is important news to a lot of model S owners
If upgrading an 85 to 100 is not possible, why was there an upgrade possible from the 90 to 100kWh packs on the first European Model X?
He is talking about the Model S, no word on Model X
The upgrade is totally possible, packs have the same physical dimension. Few bits of firmware change, and you are good. However, collision safety and handling will be slightly compromised. As this is not under warranty, some people deem it acceptable.
Great video. It would be cool to see a high mileage Model S that you give a full refresh to and document the process such as cleaning/maintenance on the drivetrain, going through wear items to bring it back to close-to-new condition. It would also be cool to see putting next gen seats in an older car, if that's possible.
We are listening, and adding new videos based on feedback like this. Thank you - Pete
Bjorn Nyland (a yt channel) has bought back his 7 yo Model S and is, like you want to see, getting it back to its new state.
Thanks for the info. So what's the sweet spot for upgrades with a good used battery ... Say I had a 60. What would you recommend?
The 85 was a popular size, readily available, and priced well.
@@grubermotorcompany from what i heard on the TMC forum the 85 is the battery that had the most issues though.. along with degradation. also it wasn't much better than the 75kw from the 75
At 14k plus 2k installation this is getting close to something I would like to do. My question is how much is the 75k pack in my X worth? Is it possible (cost effective) to convert it to stationary storage for a home or would selling it cover some of the costs of the upgrade?
If just degraded(10% - 15%), almost the same 10k+ on the second hand market. They are in high demand!
@@tamasstrezi If I could get 10k for it the upgrade would be a no brainer at 6k out of pocket.
But Tesla won't replace the battery unless it degrades to at least 70%
@@anmarams How is that relevant? It's very rare for these to degrade anywhere close to that if taken care of. Even cars that supercharger as a primary charging method don't often degrade that much. But it's not even pertinent to my comment/question
So well explained as always Mr. Gruber! Very informative video on why you can't upgrade to 100 kWh from smaller sizes.
Thanks, these are great videos! Informative and entertaining. I'm a new Tesla owner and I'm learning so much by watching your videos.
What about newer cells with higher energy density? Could they be used to avoid the extra weight? Also new more efficient motors. It's a shame if the the Model S body which is solid aluminum and will never rust couldn't be retrofitted with the latest technology.
Well I’m going on 2 years with my Model 3 which has a 75kWh battery pack. Plan to keep it for a long time.
Be so sure. Our three Model S cars are from 2014 and 2015 with 300.000 km on each. Charging speed much slower at SuC but batteries only dropped like 10%. degradation should slow down with time so maybe 80% left after 20 years and still enough for our every day commute.
Love your videos! Not sure about the black on black attire though. 😉 Keep the content coming.
Why is he wearing sunglasses inside?
Hi, is it possible to add modules in the penthouse of a 2018 Model S 75D?
The roadster just had it's 15 year anniversary now in 2023. Most batteries are still very good.
Does an upgrade from battery pack increase the performance or just the drivable miles? I.e., 85 battery with 4.9 seconds to 60 upgraded to a 90 battery increase the 0-60 time?
I'm not even a Tesla owner but videos are so informative and pleasant to watch. Thanks! I hope Gruber Motor Company's business will succeed exponantially.
My early 2013 model s 60 exhibited signs of module failure 2000 miles after my warranty ended. Tesla quoted me $15k, $17.5k, and $20k for a 60, 75, and 85kwh replacement respectively.
My car is only worth $20k, so I'm interested in not only getting the bad cell replaced, but upgrading the pack. Is this possible through a 3rd party without risking supercharger access?
That is a very good question. Probably something only Tesla can answer.
@@darkenergy5686 Tesla will disable supercharger access if they find out work has been done outside of their service centers....so of there's a way to upgrade the battery without it pinging home and telling the servers that would be ideal.
well thats why he made these videos, to drum up customers. contact them and tow your car to grubber motors duh
@@heins4745 not helpful. It drives fine, and I'm not going to waste my time going there without talking to them.
Thank you for another interesting feature!
Excellent information and how the information is delivered is very professional. Huge Fan. love the videos. I am an owner of a model 3 performance more videos of battery upgrades potential and degradation would be great. Cheers
Would be interesting to know what the typical repair on an older Model S battery is - if it is cells that fail, or if it is other components connected within the battery structure like cables or circuit boards
Hearing something about a water leakage defect on the forums
It is just wasteful and detrimental to the environment the way they manufactured these non-serviceable batteries. It is ironic that the EV industry is supposed to save the environment. The EV industry is following Apple with the iPhones.
Could you do a video on swapping a 100D to P100D with the rear performance unit?
Very informative, thanks for this video! Would those replacement 90 packs expected to be brand new or refurbished? Did they also say something about charging speed improvements over old packs?
I am very curious about if there's any information currently available on upgrading a 100d pack to even higher levels. I read somewhere that if the cells currently used in model 3 were inserted into a model S pack, it would increase battery capacity by 50%.
If is it only 60 can i upgrade it to 75D?
As a fresh electrical engineering graduate, I feel I would learn so much just by working at Gruber.
Me too
Are you planning to operate in Europe?
I wish you were nearer, or at least someone like you, with your passion and your clear way to explain things.
You said the 60 kWh MS has a 14 module battery pack, but those 60 kWh MS-es actually have 75 kWh battery packs software-limited to 60. Do you know how Tesla does the limitation (activating/using only 12 of the modules, or charging all at 80% capacity)?
Great video. Very precisely worded and explained well for the average viewer. Keep it up. = ) - 2023Dec16Sat
Can you upgrade a 60kwh 350 V pack in a 2014 Model S rear wheel drive, to a 90 kWh 400 HP pack? If possible does it need a software upgrade too?
I wish EV's were more affordable. The Tesla Roadster was released in 2008. That was 14 years ago. The hope was that the cost of EV's would come down as production ramped up. I recall Elan Musk saying the model 3 was going to be in the 30K range. I just looked on craigslist and used model 3's with 40,000 miles are going for high 40's. New Ford Mach E's are going for 65K+. A new Toyota Camry or Chevy Malibu is less than half of that.
Electric Cars are in many ways are mechanically more straightforward than their gas and diesel counterparts. They should be cheaper to make. When are EV's going to be made for the masses? I feel like we need a new Henry Ford to show up. When cars first came out, they were hand-built and extremely expensive. Very few could afford them.
What's the deal? When will the excuse of ramping up battery production go away? How many laptops and cell phones use lithium-Ion batteries. This is the same technology used in EV's.
Mr Gruber, great information. I ask, if I heard correctly, there are battery pack with “empty penthouses”? I have a 75D Model X; can I add to those empty areas? Increasing my range from my current 200 miles?
OK. I have a 2013 Model S P85 with 140,000.0 Miles. So far so good. However, if my battery dies, what is the range of cost to repair my main battery pack?
Thank you for a great video, it is good to know that it is possible to both replace and upgrade the battery of my 75D!
Great info and much appreciated! I do have a situation that has given me some pause with Gruber's info. I'm looking at a S90d that was fitted with a 100d, after the 90 pack failed. I hear that is a 100 pack with 2 modules removed, giving it 288 range instead of the original 330. Is this correct? The software shows it is now identified as a 100d vehicle.
You are awesome. I would love to upgrade my 70d to a 90d! Is the NEW 90KW packs an LFP chemistry?
Hello, did I understand correctly if I say, may be after 9 years of usage, I can change my old 75kWh Tesla Model S battery into a new 90 kWh battery taking fully benefit of the extra capacity? Can I do this at any Tesla SeC or have I to go to your shop?
Excellent and informative presentation. I plan on keeping my 6 1/2 years MS 90D, well into the foreseeable future, it is a classic. Factory-built to order with $25K in options, most options no longer available. This video put my mind at ease re future drive replacement considerations.
Going from a 85 or 90 battery to a 100 battery would only ad maybe 75kg of weight. I don't see how that would affect anything. It's less then a passenger.
Im getting a new 85kw put in my 2013 model s. Because tesla doesnt make 85kw for the S anymore, my new battery is actually a 100kw that has been software reduced to 85
If anyone is curious.....its currently 14k to replace a P85+ battery
Sir thank you for what you do. When I upgrade my cars battery, I plan to have your company do it. Stay in business.
Video was from April 2021 and is now outdated. 100kWh packs can be installed in cars and is not as difficult nor costly as Tesla wants you to believe.
I don't need your services yet, but man I wish you were closer to me for the future. Hopefully other independent shops take up this calling.
Has anybody heard about Tesla shutting down older Battery in case if a BMS-counter overflow?
When Tesla incorporates battery pack as structural member of vehicle (as presented on Battery Day), battery “swap” and/or “repairs) will be a future “opportunity” to be solved. I would hope Tesla engineers have thought about this in design change, “we hope”.
Good point! I'm really curious about this as well!
Bullshit, batteries on all EVs are actually a structural part, they are designed very strongly to perform very well on crash incidents and many other situations.
My mother in law has a 2013 Model S 60KWh battery. What is the current cost to replace it with an 85KWh battery?
0:10 All EVs will need a battery replacement after 30-40 years or more.
Batteries aren't going out in 10 years or 20 years.
It's a lie about 100kw tesla not interested in this..
If you put 4 guys 100kg each then by tesla claims car must be not safe car at all.
Very informative. Thinking about getting back into Tesla's with a high mileage S as a second car.
The explanation that the added weight affects crash behaviour would imply to me that the crash behaviour is different if single passengers or multiple are in the car. If net weight is higher one can load less up to max load - as long as I don't exceed max weight I don't need to do anything on suspension , control arms etc. otherwise I would need to change all this , as soon as more than 1 person sits in the car. I believe they have made up this explanation and need the 100 kwh packs for production
Quick correction, Model S 100D 335 mile range is at 100%, not 80.
If you get your battery pack refurbished from a 3rd party repair, do you lose the supercharging for life feature some owners have on the model S / X ?
This was such a nicely done video. Excellent explanation and super super informative.
Tesla has now "done away with" pack sizes and now just have LR & LR+.
Will those be able to retrofit into older Tesla's that have say a 75 or 85. Etc? How does the new packs compare and differ?
I have an 85D and drive well pasty battery limit everyday. When my batteries finally die, I am hoping to retro 9n a LR+ battery. A girl can dream, right??
Is the unlimited free supercharger recharge voided when you replace the battery?
If tesla kicks people off of superchargers for un-authorized repair, can people still use CCS's DC chargers?
You can still use Tesla's superchargers, just not for free.
Tesla modifies the car's software. It won't fast charge anywhere. Effectively bricks the car for long distance travel. Rich Rebuilds has some videos on this.
2013 tesla s 85. Need a replacement battery in Tampa area. Any ideas
At the newer lower pricing for a full replacement, the $14,000 fee seems better than multiple $5k repairs over time. Of course this depends on how long one plans on keeping the vehicle.
Great video!!! 👌🏽 My 2017 needs better range 😅
Thank you for the video, just what I wanted to know.
I did inquire at a service center if they were upgradable, service guy simply smiled and said "Tesla wants you to buy a new car."
He will probably go through customer service retraining.
Does this conversion cause the car to lose the unlimited free supercharging?
I'll always watch anything about fixing 1st gen Model S. My trade-in value [just so I know] bumped up $2k in last 6 months. There are fewer of these cars, a couple 100K, so their used-prices will stop dropping and maybe rise a little. An 'old' Tesla with a 'bad' battery may be a bargain to someone in the know. Will never become rusty junk.
Especially as mostly made of alumin(i)um :D
Is there an upgrade option for a 2019 model 3 standard range?
Are the replacement packs that go into an 8yr old car going to have the new battery chemistry and battery cell size? Or is it simply a new battery of the same spec?
They will have the original 1865 cells, with the latest chemistry for those cells.
I really like listening to your explanation on how the Tesla works and what to look out for. I do own a model S.
I want my 2017 75D model S to turn to a 90kw.
kWh please. Mind your units.
@@geraldh.8047 i just picked up a 100,000watt model
Im hoping by the time I need to replace it there will be a better technology available
At 2:16, the P85D is missing from the chart?
dude is the sun shining in your workshop, whats with the sun glasses
Any options for Chevrolet Bolt EV ?
Awesome! Keep clarifying what Tesla refuses to tell us or what’s unknown 👌🏼
Why not place superchargers at truck stops food bathrooms showers all in one plus they are everywhere
Some of them are at truck stops.
@@johnmolloy4878 cool I live in the south I've seen some at gas stations and malls but non here so far
Great video. Don’t think you covered how the 100 pack is structured and how they get the extra capacity compared to 90. Also, the battery packs have a letter suffix that seems to indicate battery pack version; e.g. I have MX 100 ‘E’ pack. What is difference between E, F, G, H? Some of the range increases seem to be linked to battery pack version?
they put it under your butt in the rear seats so it doubles as seat warmers