Barry Rowland is the Bob Ross of sim racing. I love watching these videos, even if its a review of something I don't plan on buying / don't have a particular interest in.
Picked up a set of these yesterday and did about an hour of driving, they feel really good. Huge upgrade from my T3PA Pros with load cell mod. Plus, they look fantastic.
Me as well. They seem like a good set of pedals but no one has really reviewed them as thoroughly as the sim racing garage would. I’m kinda concerned about the build quality of them.
its mesmerizing to watch you drive. i dont care for most of the stuff you review but i enjoy watching your videos anyway would be cool to see you review software and games too
Just bought my first set. Have to say, so disappointed. I went straight to the Red Spring, just like Barry and referred to the instructions. When I went to unscrew the bolt/spring assembly, nothing happened, it just kept spinning and spinning and spinning. Fiddled with it for about 2 hours. Nothing moved. I went to re-assemble it, and the pin that goes in the middle no longer fits in. It catches, and gets stuck, unless I get another pin to hammer it out. Spent about 3 hours trying to put it back together with those nylon washers. Failed completely. Brake dis-assembled. Unable to test the set after waiting 1 month for delivery. I have emailed Moza and will update you all their reply. UPDATE: Still awaiting reply. Finally re-assembled the pedals after one whole day, had to use a slightly thinner nylon washer I had laying around and tap the pin in with a hammer. Brake overall feels quite good, however this is a noticeable amount of grain and crunchiness for the first 30% of the pedal stroke when depressed or releasing very slowly. Almost like it has cogging. Almost impossible to have a smooth depress or release. My Thrustmaster TLCM are smoother than this. This is a major concern. Next problem. The clutch. By far the best part about it was using the clutch, amazingly smooth and felt great. Well after 5 hours of use, I kept hearing a rusty creak. I inspected the pedals and it was the clutch. The clutch refuses to return to its original position in line with the brake and throttle. The clutch tends to bind and make a squeaky sound as it is pressed in. Clutch feels different on the foot than it did when I used them. Yes we are talking about 5 hours of use. So far, I am disappointed. I will continue to use them until I hear a reply (might be a while due to Easter break) and update accordingly.
Obviously many rooms for improvement on design details/QC/reliability for many Chinese sim racing equipment manufacturers, I have my P2000 pedal from Simagic which works and feels fantastic (upgrade from fanatec csl) but after 4 months only the electronic controller box died, nth major and had a new one sent to me but I guess this is why big western sim racing brands can still justify the price premium
Nice review, thanks ! Suggestion for mounting back the loadcell part of the brake pedal : perhaps you should separate the loadcell from the electronic and cover parts, let them hang behind, and try to mount the loadcell first, being able to push it from behind. It should make it easier to align the holes and put the screws back. Once done, you should be able to put the electronic and cover parts back over the loadcell, don't you think ? Are the cables long enough ?
46:25 Looks to me, that you should first install the loadcell and bolt it, only then place the cover instead of fiddling with aligning the holes like you did. I love how you take everything apart and show us the guts of these products. Thank you for having this channel Barry
I've ordered the new GS and R9 from Moza. Can't wait for your review. Although I'll be keeping my csl elite loadcell till I get a set of HE Pedals. Thx for the review.
@@OhItsThat price point and a few reviews I recently saw. I have the CSL DD and I love it, but I don't want to spend much more and want a better wheel. I love my Mclaren and it's size, but Fanatec doesn't offer a better wheel at a decent price point. I saw this and figured I have spent the same and with fanatec increasing in price. Now is the time to try. If I don't like it. Send it back and keep my Fanatec gear. If I do, sell fanatec and keep the Moza gear. Although I will not get their pedals.
We can arguee the size, but Fanatec Formula V2.5 and V2 are excelent wheels, better than McLaren in all aspects (besides size), carbon fiber and aluminium, comes with metal QR and magnetic shifters by origin...cost 360 and 380 EUR, it's 140, 120 diference...even if we take a better size of Moza, the diference is considerable...but nice to see alternatives, and Moza (and others coming), looks promissing! Good Luck
Hi! I recommend you to do a review on the Cammus wheelbase and their pedals, maybe if you get to buy the shifter and or the handbrake it would be nice!
Hi, sorry if I'm a little off topic but do you think the Fanatec CSL with LC kit would be a nice upgrade for my G29 pedals? I also plan to change the shifter with a Thrustmaster TH8A. I think it could be a good setup until I get rich and I can buy a good wheel with DD base (probably never)
Hi Barry, just came across your channel a few weeks ago and subbed. You are amazing. Do you think you could do a top tier a mid tier and entry tier review of equipment. Like say the top 3 or 4 in each category, say pedals, then in another video cockpit, wheel hub, monitors, etc. maybe even only doing the videos dedicated to the 3 tiers separately so as to break them down. With so many equipment choices, it would be helpful to newbie’s so we don’t waste money by upgrading, instead of being informed and saving or waiting for the right equipment within your respected budget. Thank you.
Man I've been using the CRP pedals for a couple of days and going from a T-LCM pedals to this is wild. I can't understand using anything stiffer than what it's default stiffness is, it's so unlike any car I've ever driven and so stiff that my knee hurts after a 20 minute session.
I just got my crp pedals. The brake pedal is a brick wall. I’m using the yellow stock spring with 0 preload and the sifted rubber and it still still coming for a thruster T3PA lol. I need to the pedals and seat sturdy before I make my judgment.
Which spring settings were you using with the T-LCM's if you don't mind me asking? I have taken the same route as you and my CRP will be arriving in a week.
@@wheelshifter Never changed the springs in my T-LCMs, so I can't say. Whatever they shipped with as a default. I remember reading in the manual that it represented a "medium stiffness".
@@wheelshifter apparently realistic from many real life race drivers who sim race, is black spring on the bottom, then 4 spacers then red on the top for T LCMs
Coming from modded g29 pedals. With this newer updated model, I don’t know whether to go with these or Fanatec V3’s. About $100 difference when you add the performance kit to the V3’s. Trying to decide before the Fanatec price hike
@@AmirPomen I actually ended up going with Moza. There were just shipped a couple of days ago so we’ll so how that goes! The Simagics are absolutely awesome but I couldn’t justify spending $300 extra for those when I’m still rocking a g29 wheel lol
I have been using these pedals for 3 weeks and continue to have issues with the clutch pedal signal. For some reason the clutch software thinks the pedal is engaged. This is a problem that goes away I unplug the usb and plug it in again. The problem returns shortly after. I opened a case with Moza but no response after 1 week.
Finally bought it very disappointed I can't adjust anything it's like hercules has built it out of the three adjustment I can't do a single one on any pedal... Plus my throttle is pretty noisy and not smooth at all even after lubing (without disassembling because I can't :'c )... Did I get bamboozled and got one of the first version wtf ?
Did yours come with that 90 degree usb cable. Mine are not at 90 degrees.. also the back of the r5 base looks like it takes some kind of ethernet cable. What do i hook up there.. i don't have that cable.
hey can put the brake instead of the clutch... I would like to buy this kit but I want to configure it with 2 pedals and I wonder if the cable is long enough? if this is not the case is it possible to extend it and what is the connector? thank you
These guys are legit. I just think the should have pitched a slightly cheaper market - where there is a real gap - between the enthusiast fanatec and casual thrustmaster
Seems like they're trying to compete directly with fanatec, and so far everything they've released looks like it's at least on the same level as fanatecs stuff
hey... compliments on your reviews... your calm manner and technical curiosity are great... just like your english pronunciation, which you can understand very well even if you don't speak english very well... it's really nice to hear and watch you... Thank you and greetings from Germany (translation powered by google 😅 )
Hello barry I’m currently in the market for some pedals and deciding between the moza crp and heusinkveld sprints and since you tried them both i thought i would ask you which one is better
Got my P1X 62 hours after ordering from their website. It shipped from the Netherlands to east coast US in 62 hours. I had it assembled shortly there after. I'd highly recommend ordering soon as they go out of stock frequently. Make sure you order all accessories with it that you could want as shipping after the fact is very expensive (at least to the US ~75 Euro)
@@Mistio. Make sure depending on your shifter you have a correct shifter mount. If you're going with the fanatec one or one styled like that you should pick up the mount for it. If you want the monitor mount, include it. Sliders for both the seat and the pedal box (being that I'm the only one using my rig I decided against these). If you're close then shipping probably won't be as high.
My guess is for now you're not their target demographic, the domestic Chinese market is probably bigger for them and unless they can sell this through dealers in Europe or other countries shipping cost will continue to be extremely high.
@@jujoboha Might be, but Chinese have usually the best shipping contracts on this planet. Why even offer shipping costs as high as the product itself is over me.
As awesome and thorough as his videos are it's missing a point of reference. I think a lot of us watch his videos to see if we want to buy something vs another thing. These videos have a TON of information but I can never really determine the benefits of these pedals VS another set. He never compares his reviews of equipment with other equipment.
The brake pedal was too hard for me.. I basically had to stomp on the brake to get full range with my heal off the plate.. very uncomfortable.. Sold my CRP and went back to my Fanatec V3's
39:35 red spring or softest rubber, which one is softer? my break is way too harder than actual car. I changed from rubber to red spring, but still too hard. should I change it to softest rubber, which is more softer than red spring?
A little niche company that is fine for pc, but why not go for a company that will survive this economic disaster? This company will disappear and be forgotten soon. Bye.
my yellow brake spring is really really tight. the brake does not move at all. when i try to unscrew the spring out it won’t turn. also i am put it the pedals on the floor. it tilts back ward when i press on the brake too hard. don’t know how to mount it to the floor or on a board neither.
15:04 When Barry sees a hole, he wants to fill it.
Nice.
This is going down as one of the all time greatest quotes.
😅
@@jhnnsr22:32 -"You're screwing into the same spreader" LOL
Barry Rowland is the Bob Ross of sim racing. I love watching these videos, even if its a review of something I don't plan on buying / don't have a particular interest in.
it's DELRIN - pronounced DEL RIN. You say DER LIN. Drives me nuts. I love you Barry.
I keep wondering who this Darrell Lynn person is.
Barry is the Chuck Norris of SIM Racing... If he says it's called Derlin, Derlin it is forthwith 🤷♂️
15:05
Barry: "When I see a hole ... I want to fill it"
Every guy in the world: "We agree with you Barry :)"
Words to live by
lmao i heard that and ran to the comments
@@ekeemekalu7124 Barry is a man of wisdom ... and culture :P
I want to hear you say "looks like the spider caught himself a couple of flies" 😂
Picked up a set of these yesterday and did about an hour of driving, they feel really good. Huge upgrade from my T3PA Pros with load cell mod. Plus, they look fantastic.
Love your videos, even if I don’t need new gear I watch
would love to see the review for Simagic P2000!
Me as well. They seem like a good set of pedals but no one has really reviewed them as thoroughly as the sim racing garage would. I’m kinda concerned about the build quality of them.
Barry "typically if I see a hole, I want to fill it" Rowland
"If I see a hole, I wanna fill it" ;)
Quote of the year. BRAVO!
word.
its mesmerizing to watch you drive. i dont care for most of the stuff you review but i enjoy watching your videos anyway
would be cool to see you review software and games too
Just bought my first set. Have to say, so disappointed. I went straight to the Red Spring, just like Barry and referred to the instructions. When I went to unscrew the bolt/spring assembly, nothing happened, it just kept spinning and spinning and spinning. Fiddled with it for about 2 hours. Nothing moved. I went to re-assemble it, and the pin that goes in the middle no longer fits in. It catches, and gets stuck, unless I get another pin to hammer it out. Spent about 3 hours trying to put it back together with those nylon washers.
Failed completely. Brake dis-assembled. Unable to test the set after waiting 1 month for delivery. I have emailed Moza and will update you all their reply.
UPDATE: Still awaiting reply. Finally re-assembled the pedals after one whole day, had to use a slightly thinner nylon washer I had laying around and tap the pin in with a hammer. Brake overall feels quite good, however this is a noticeable amount of grain and crunchiness for the first 30% of the pedal stroke when depressed or releasing very slowly. Almost like it has cogging. Almost impossible to have a smooth depress or release. My Thrustmaster TLCM are smoother than this. This is a major concern.
Next problem. The clutch. By far the best part about it was using the clutch, amazingly smooth and felt great. Well after 5 hours of use, I kept hearing a rusty creak. I inspected the pedals and it was the clutch. The clutch refuses to return to its original position in line with the brake and throttle. The clutch tends to bind and make a squeaky sound as it is pressed in. Clutch feels different on the foot than it did when I used them. Yes we are talking about 5 hours of use.
So far, I am disappointed. I will continue to use them until I hear a reply (might be a while due to Easter break) and update accordingly.
Obviously many rooms for improvement on design details/QC/reliability for many Chinese sim racing equipment manufacturers, I have my P2000 pedal from Simagic which works and feels fantastic (upgrade from fanatec csl) but after 4 months only the electronic controller box died, nth major and had a new one sent to me but I guess this is why big western sim racing brands can still justify the price premium
I was going to go for the two pedal - I'm going for the three pedal . Thanx .
Nice review, thanks !
Suggestion for mounting back the loadcell part of the brake pedal : perhaps you should separate the loadcell from the electronic and cover parts, let them hang behind, and try to mount the loadcell first, being able to push it from behind. It should make it easier to align the holes and put the screws back. Once done, you should be able to put the electronic and cover parts back over the loadcell, don't you think ? Are the cables long enough ?
They've just released new SRP pedals! I'd love to see your thoughts
They released a 9 nm DD wheelbase for under 400€ two days ago.
This is really amazing, thanks for showing us the review 😊✨
Finally, something that's not a clone of Heusinkvelds.
Good ol’ Barry knows. When you see a hole, you fill it.
Thanks for your great reviews! Just curious about what pedal set and wheelbase Barry use on his personal rig?
Pre-ordered.
Same here...
46:25 Looks to me, that you should first install the loadcell and bolt it, only then place the cover instead of fiddling with aligning the holes like you did. I love how you take everything apart and show us the guts of these products. Thank you for having this channel Barry
I've ordered the new GS and R9 from Moza. Can't wait for your review. Although I'll be keeping my csl elite loadcell till I get a set of HE Pedals. Thx for the review.
Why did you choose Moza?
@@OhItsThat price point and a few reviews I recently saw. I have the CSL DD and I love it, but I don't want to spend much more and want a better wheel. I love my Mclaren and it's size, but Fanatec doesn't offer a better wheel at a decent price point. I saw this and figured I have spent the same and with fanatec increasing in price. Now is the time to try. If I don't like it. Send it back and keep my Fanatec gear. If I do, sell fanatec and keep the Moza gear. Although I will not get their pedals.
@@anonymousgaines4044 Update?
We can arguee the size, but Fanatec Formula V2.5 and V2 are excelent wheels, better than McLaren in all aspects (besides size), carbon fiber and aluminium, comes with metal QR and magnetic shifters by origin...cost 360 and 380 EUR, it's 140, 120 diference...even if we take a better size of Moza, the diference is considerable...but nice to see alternatives, and Moza (and others coming), looks promissing!
Good Luck
@@toivonen1310 I know. We had a long chat about it on my post. Lol
Honestly a good looking set of pedals.
Position sensor is for the brake light switch, I think.
Hi ! I have "Fanatec ClubSport Wheel Base V2.5" . And I want buy "MOZA SR-P Pedals" . Can I use it together ? I will not lose anything in the games?
Hi Barry, I also have the prosim quaife shifter, and I'm wondering where you got your shifter knob. Thx for the vid!
Hi! I recommend you to do a review on the Cammus wheelbase and their pedals, maybe if you get to buy the shifter and or the handbrake it would be nice!
Can you review moza's new wheelbase and wheel please
As an enginner I don't like designs where you use the spring as a stop and thus over compress the spring.
Hi, sorry if I'm a little off topic but do you think the Fanatec CSL with LC kit would be a nice upgrade for my G29 pedals? I also plan to change the shifter with a Thrustmaster TH8A. I think it could be a good setup until I get rich and I can buy a good wheel with DD base (probably never)
Toute pédale sera au dessus des logitech !!!
Really great video. There are only a few like it. Thank you very much sir 👍
Hi Barry, just came across your channel a few weeks ago and subbed. You are amazing. Do you think you could do a top tier a mid tier and entry tier review of equipment. Like say the top 3 or 4 in each category, say pedals, then in another video cockpit, wheel hub, monitors, etc. maybe even only doing the videos dedicated to the 3 tiers separately so as to break them down. With so many equipment choices, it would be helpful to newbie’s so we don’t waste money by upgrading, instead of being informed and saving or waiting for the right equipment within your respected budget. Thank you.
When reassembling the brake on the bumper side: isn't it easier to install and screw on the LoadCell block first and then the black "cap"?
Hi! How many kg load cell?
Thanks
Man I've been using the CRP pedals for a couple of days and going from a T-LCM pedals to this is wild. I can't understand using anything stiffer than what it's default stiffness is, it's so unlike any car I've ever driven and so stiff that my knee hurts after a 20 minute session.
I just got my crp pedals. The brake pedal is a brick wall. I’m using the yellow stock spring with 0 preload and the sifted rubber and it still still coming for a thruster T3PA lol.
I need to the pedals and seat sturdy before I make my judgment.
Which spring settings were you using with the T-LCM's if you don't mind me asking? I have taken the same route as you and my CRP will be arriving in a week.
@@wheelshifter Never changed the springs in my T-LCMs, so I can't say. Whatever they shipped with as a default. I remember reading in the manual that it represented a "medium stiffness".
@@wheelshifter apparently realistic from many real life race drivers who sim race, is black spring on the bottom, then 4 spacers then red on the top for T LCMs
Coming from modded g29 pedals. With this newer updated model, I don’t know whether to go with these or Fanatec V3’s. About $100 difference when you add the performance kit to the V3’s. Trying to decide before the Fanatec price hike
Try gave a look on simagic p2000 pedal
@@AmirPomen I actually ended up going with Moza. There were just shipped a couple of days ago so we’ll so how that goes! The Simagics are absolutely awesome but I couldn’t justify spending $300 extra for those when I’m still rocking a g29 wheel lol
Did I miss it or is there no calibrating software? Great review as always
Moza do have software for calibration, it is called Moza Pit House.
I have been using these pedals for 3 weeks and continue to have issues with the clutch pedal signal. For some reason the clutch software thinks the pedal is engaged. This is a problem that goes away I unplug the usb and plug it in again. The problem returns shortly after. I opened a case with Moza but no response after 1 week.
What modification did you do on the ProSim H Shifter? the shaft looks different.
what is that shifter?
Look a bit cheap compared to other pedals in the same price range.
Hello guys could some one explain me what does pressure bonding spot means and which is the best value on the moza Pit House for the crp brakes?
Can you elaborate a little on the brake having a hall sensor and loadcell combined?
Finally bought it very disappointed I can't adjust anything it's like hercules has built it out of the three adjustment I can't do a single one on any pedal... Plus my throttle is pretty noisy and not smooth at all even after lubing (without disassembling because I can't :'c )... Did I get bamboozled and got one of the first version wtf ?
Did yours come with that 90 degree usb cable. Mine are not at 90 degrees.. also the back of the r5 base looks like it takes some kind of ethernet cable. What do i hook up there.. i don't have that cable.
And now the big question what is the best buy fanatec csl dd +f1 wheel +csl pedal v3 or monza crp pedal+ gs+r9 base
@Marv Dondokambey you think crp pedal is not better than fanatec..?
@Marv Dondokambey tanks i think il Will buy r9 +gs f1 wheel + fanatec v3 :) i hope i won't regret my choice not to buy csl dd
hey can put the brake instead of the clutch... I would like to buy this kit but I want to configure it with 2 pedals and I wonder if the cable is long enough? if this is not the case is it possible to extend it and what is the connector? thank you
its a good first set from moza but that brake pedal needs redesigning, looks like a proper faff to adjust it
Do you mean “Delrin”? If so it’s pronounced just like it’s spelled
Do you recommend CRP Pedal of Moza Racing or ClubSport Pedals V3 of Fanatec?
hhmmmm i didnt get the softer clutch spring in my package ill see how it goes. great vid!
GREAT REVIEW! Thanks! :)
This Moza vs Fanatec V3?
THX!
These guys are legit. I just think the should have pitched a slightly cheaper market - where there is a real gap - between the enthusiast fanatec and casual thrustmaster
Seems like they're trying to compete directly with fanatec, and so far everything they've released looks like it's at least on the same level as fanatecs stuff
They did, check out the new 5 nm combo set.
hey...
compliments on your reviews...
your calm manner and technical curiosity are great...
just like your english pronunciation, which you can understand very well even if you don't speak english very well...
it's really nice to hear and watch you...
Thank you and greetings from Germany
(translation powered by google 😅 )
Moza CRP or Simforge pedals? They're the same price here.
15:57 somehow pattern of mine was painted oppositely.
― pattern is front
They need to price like Fanatec! I also don't want a Clutch!
" typically when i see a hole i want to fill it " X-D Sorry dirty Barry , had to say it haha . like always good review
Finally someone reviews their pedals... Been waiting forever!
You and me both ^^
for $500 I wonder how they compare to Simforge MK-1, which are similarly priced
I laughed harder than i should have when you said when i see a hole i wanna fill it !.. lmao
Do you plan on reviewing the new Fanatec CSL load cell pedals anytime soon?
Great video the socks ruined it at then end tho ;)
I thought you wore the Vans because they made you go faster ;)
Hello barry I’m currently in the market for some pedals and deciding between the moza crp and heusinkveld sprints and since you tried them both i thought i would ask you which one is better
We will never knows :(
How about the force which is needed to press the brake pedal with the softest spring and bushing setup?
Is like much force needed for it to make the brake pedal travel
@@UCXTSane brick wall
Does he every reply 🤔
In the market for a sim rig ! Keep them coming. I have settled on the p1-x so far .
I think this guy and boosted both use a P1-X for their personal rigs so I assume it must be a good choice.
@@TwoLeftSh0es It is. 🙂🏁
Got my P1X 62 hours after ordering from their website. It shipped from the Netherlands to east coast US in 62 hours. I had it assembled shortly there after. I'd highly recommend ordering soon as they go out of stock frequently. Make sure you order all accessories with it that you could want as shipping after the fact is very expensive (at least to the US ~75 Euro)
@@protoxxpaintball I am next to the Netherlands :). Hopefully Shipping won't be very expensive! Thanks for the feedback. What accessories do I need?
@@Mistio. Make sure depending on your shifter you have a correct shifter mount. If you're going with the fanatec one or one styled like that you should pick up the mount for it. If you want the monitor mount, include it. Sliders for both the seat and the pedal box (being that I'm the only one using my rig I decided against these). If you're close then shipping probably won't be as high.
That's what she said
They really needed to consult someone before choosing the identifier 'CRP'
Congrats on the 100k!
Has anyone tried to invert them?
they seem kinda noisy for pedals.
They want 439 dollars shipping costs to Austria. 😂 Seriously?
My guess is for now you're not their target demographic, the domestic Chinese market is probably bigger for them and unless they can sell this through dealers in Europe or other countries shipping cost will continue to be extremely high.
@@jujoboha
Might be, but Chinese have usually the best shipping contracts on this planet. Why even offer shipping costs as high as the product itself is over me.
You can buy it from Sim-Motion (Germany). 499€ plus shipping.
@@Leynad778
That's great, Thank You!
As awesome and thorough as his videos are it's missing a point of reference. I think a lot of us watch his videos to see if we want to buy something vs another thing. These videos have a TON of information but I can never really determine the benefits of these pedals VS another set. He never compares his reviews of equipment with other equipment.
for real, im considering these or the fanatec v3s. For the limited options out there, these seem legit.
The brake pedal was too hard for me.. I basically had to stomp on the brake to get full range with my heal off the plate.. very uncomfortable.. Sold my CRP and went back to my Fanatec V3's
That is just personal preference, because I much prefer a rock solid brake pedal with very little travel.
39:35 red spring or softest rubber, which one is softer?
my break is way too harder than actual car.
I changed from rubber to red spring, but still too hard.
should I change it to softest rubber, which is more softer than red spring?
Quality aside, that’s an unfortunate name for some sim gear. Surely there was a language barrier here?
What do you mean?
What does that mean?
A little niche company that is fine for pc, but why not go for a company that will survive this economic disaster? This company will disappear and be forgotten soon. Bye.
my yellow brake spring is really really tight. the brake does not move at all. when i try to unscrew the spring out it won’t turn. also i am put it the pedals on the floor. it tilts back ward when i press on the brake too hard. don’t know how to mount it to the floor or on a board neither.
Hey Barry any chance you could review the new Buttkicker gamer plus?