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in 1994 my folks bought a Toyota camry from a Toyota dealer. several months later found avis stickers all inside the engine bay. car was great. folks sold it to my uncle in 1999. uncle kept it until 2007 before he killed it.
+Leigh Rich Yeah, older cars only really have major rust issues, but if it's been taken care of they will last FAAAAAAR longer than modern 90's and up cars.
I do work at some new car dealers in my area and they buy cars from car rental places. So even if your buying a used car from the dealer it still could be a rental car...
Yeah the people leave trash everywhere inside the car like it's a dumpster and then return it that way and leave it up to the rental guys to clean it up
I've long suspected that if a rental car has damage, the agency will sell that same damage to everyone that rents it, unless the customer spots the damage first.
@@walmartdog1142 you're wrong. Maybe the small mom and pop rental companies, but not the big guys. You can now clear your mind off that, since it's long been a question in your head.
@@clints4049 I rented two cars from Hertz in CA. Both had issues and when I called about it, they basically asked if it ran. As long as they did, they wouldn't do anything for me so I drove them with CELs lit for a week. Who knows if prior customers also drove it with issues.
I brought a used 2017 low milage rental car recently. 1 month went by, took it for a recall fix and the mechanic came out and told me the bad news. Major accident. Even frame damage. I contacted a lawyer and got all my money back etc but SCOTTY is so right. DON'T DO IT.
@olemissfan91 You must not have heard Scotty!!!! They are self insured!!!! They don't have to report the accidents!!!! Just like you if you if you hit a door post, and repair the damage out of pocket without contacting the insurance company that accident will not be reported to the Carfax or Autocheck.
Either the rental customer's auto insurance will pay for the wreck or the extra $20 per day paid by each customer for the rental collision coverage on the 250,000+ car rental fleet will cover the cost. So with a 2% annual vehicle accident rate in the USA, anything above the 2% of the car cost equal to $500 (or 25 days of $20 daily rental collision coverage) on a $25,000 car is extra profit for the rental companies.
Carmax is probably the biggest buyer in any lane at the auction. That's where the cars come from. They are also the highest bidder and this is why the prices are generally higher. They also do alot of recon to their cars which is why they generally look nicer. Drivetime is a large corporate buy here pay here and also buys their cars at auction but........theirs are much higher mileage and cheaper until they sell them to the credit challenged customers.
bought a 2012 tahoe off hertz for dirt cheap. Only had 40k on it. Got over 250k on her now and haven't done a thing but regular maintenance and a starter.
Yeah scotty may be thinking primarily of little economy cars and sports cars. Full sized sedans and SUVs tend to be driven by a more sedate crowd, with the exception of towing in some cases, but most often people that tow with an SUV, own it and tow the toy they also own, not renting one at some distant location. If they own the towed toy they own the way to haul it.
@@davidhorne2326 well I knew you had to have something to do with that end of the business one way or the other. I worked in the remarketing department so I sold the used cars off the fleet to dealerships and used car dealers. Not fun
Owen Odiase- it's much worse than that. I used to travel a lot with work, and often found myself eating fast food while driving a rental. Then I realized, past drivers were picking their noses, sticking their hands God-knows-where, taking a big dump at a truck stop and not washing their hands, and now I'm touching the same steering wheel. Time to start carrying some disinfectant wipes.
Remember Scotty said that he *generally* doesn’t recommend buying rental cars, not to never buy them. I bought my ‘09 Ford Fusion w/ 30k miles from a rental car company and it has never had an issue.
Me too! My 09 Fusion currently has 2009 150K miles and still going. I am now looking for a new car at that same rental company because I want a car with all the new features. Might give the fusion to my brother.
@@normanduke8855 I bought a 2006 Chevy Cobalt on 2007 from Enterprise. It had 26,000 miles when I got it. Except for things that needed fixing, and the usual maintenance, it gave me years of enjoyment. After 135,557 miles, I traded it in. It developed front end problems and an emission issue that I couldn't seem to get rid of. After all, I had it for 12 years (April 2007 to April 2019). I also had the ignition switch replaced at a Chevy dealer - free of charge!
My family bought 3 USED HYUNDAI SONATAS from Enterprise. The mileage 30-40,000 miles on each auto. The autos were EXCELLENT,each one has over 110,000 miles and still going strong . Scotty isn’t always full -proof!
This doesn't discount what Scotty says about the big rental companies but my 1998 Neon, which I still drive, came from a defunct rental agency in Florida with just 23,000 miles on it. And since Neons like many pre chipped and imobilizer cars were easy to steal they put this huge honking steel collar around the ignition switch. Not only has the car with regular DIY maintenance been incredibly reliable but the reinforced ignition has resisted 3 separate theft attempts. Once the thief's screwdriver actually broke off in the ignition cylinder trying to break it off the column and that cylinder still functions perfectly fine.
@mrlpn2 Someone looking for a ride. Most car thefts aren't about the vehicle. They are either crimes of convenience to get from A to B or to enable other crimes.
*used to work for enterprise rent a car* That's why they want you to pay for insurance thru them, rental places sell "insurance products" from actual insurance companies, you aren't covered by Enterprise self insurance when you rent one, the Damage Waiver is just that a waiver not to hold you responsible for damages to their vehicle. The supplemental insurance (aka state minimum coverage), is from a 3rd party. Rental companies, take no risk on your driving. Honestly though damage waiver is a must on those things, (make the rental company eat any damage costs). Which is also why Enterprise only makes like 200$ a year on damage waiver, if you think on it, after everyone who buys the DW, it only takes a handful of knuckle heads to wreck a 40k vehicle to eat up any profit. I'm rambling, but Scott is right, dont buy their cars.
Brookie Bookie thanks for the info, although I am a bit confused by it all. I typically deny insurance through the rental company and use a credit card that has insurance for rentals on it. I imagine that coverage isn’t that great, but... the exception to that is when I rent moving vans, in which case I buy their coverage. Wondering if this is the way to do it, or not. I don’t buy cars from rental companies. Thanks
At least the larger agencies would. And likely even if an insurance company would do collision or comprehensive insurance (the rental company WOULD have a general liability policy on the entire fleet), likely the premiums and deductibles would be unattractive. It's all about keeping the costs down. Also, most rental companies don't BUY cars from the auto makers, they LEASE them, with a dealership agreement to resell once they've had their run as a daily rental. That's also why the rental car companies don't budge on the price, they can, like any dealer, finagle with the financing as most buyers will finance these 2 year old cars anyway to get the MONTHLY payments that most buyers fixate on within their budget.
Many of the one to two year old cars that you find for sale at dealerships are former rentals, especially models people tend to keep for a long time such as Corollas, Camrys, etc. Very hard to find a one year old used Corolla that isn't a former rental. Bought a used Corolla from Hertz and put 440,000 miles on it with minimal problems.
@@itsmimi3154 They used carfax as their proof, once i brought it to their attention i had a lawyer they changed their tune. I lied about having a lawyer but it scared them enough to pay for 6k in repairs.
My vehicle was an enterprise rental car. It was a year old and $10000 below list. 6 years and 110000kms later, zero issues. I can understand the concern but like buying any car, do your research and have it checked thoroughly.
We bought a 2017 Toyota Camry from Enterprise, it had just under 46,000 miles on it. We are really happy with it, but they tend to take good care of it. And we bought it for under it's book value. And yeah, the system is corrupt, but the car runs and drives great, we even got a warranty on it.
I love all your input. I have bought dozens and dozens of rental cars for my Driving School businesses. Usually 1-2 years old, under 35K miles and they've worked out fine. No more problems than with new cars at a much higher price. So sometimes, if you pick the correct model(like a Corolla)...it can be good. Still appreciate all your good advice and experience sharing. Thanks
I bought a rental from hertz. It has worked really good for me. Got it with 55 000, I put 100,000 so far. You make a lot of great points though. The whole crash history thing I didn’t know about.
What I really like about Hertz is the whole 3 days you can try before buying (You basically rent it for 3 days and if you buy it you do not pay the rental) I used this time to take it to my mechanic to have it inspected - I inspected it for unreported damage as well. Everything looked solid and the car has worked out for me for the past 2+ years. I did know that they were self insured and all.. I know it can be hit or miss and why you need to have any used car inspected. CarFax does not catch everything. I got mine with 44,000 and put 11,000 on it in 2 years lol.
I bought one from a dealership. It was a rental / loaner. A 1992 Geo Prism with 8900 miles. Basically a Toyota Corolla. Paid about 1/3 less than market. I almost laughed when the guy said it would last 200,000 miles if I kept up on oil changes. Sold it to my brother with 212,000 miles and the only things I ever replaced were wear and tear items like tires and brakes. Oh and an alternator. Not bad. Loved that car. Edit: My brother gave it to his son- in-law and it got totalled a week later.
@@jjfrockets2 not really. If the repair is too expensive, they write it off. Did repair work for Avis for 2 years and they have incredibly high standards
@@blade1994111able yeah as in they sell it sooner I used to work for them they write it off by selling it what do you think happens to low mileage cars in need of expensive repairs not covered under warranty they don't go to mass auction lots like the high mileage cars they get the bare minimum to run half decent for a short period of time and they get sold individually for over blue book value.
@@jjfrockets2 in South Africa if you buy a used car from a dealer, it comes with a 6 month warranty. When a car is written off here, it goes to a salvage auction or is scrapped. Perhaps your laws are different and allow for people to be cheated and deceived, however here we have higher standards and regulations when it comes to used cars.
I used to work for Enterprise and bought one of their cars. It was a great car. I put 300,000 miles on it over the last 16 years. Never had to replace anything other than the normal wear and tear items. I wish I could get another.
His point of view is very flawed in saying don’t by used rental cars... As long as it is in good condition and a fair price at the time of purchase nothing else matters. This speech is one of sweeping generalizations and paranoia...
P M Basically this Scotty loser is just making idiotic statements. The guy clearly knows very little about vehicles and the required maintenance. He expresses a lot of opinions that are very well disproven. He is just a failure that started a TH-cam channel filling the heads of idiots with his propaganda. The guy is a joke to all car guys. I’m a crew chief on a NHRA super/gas team and it’s funny to see all the guys making fun of him. The Force crew waits for his videos and they all watch them and make fun of him. He is nothing but a joke to actual gearheads.
I worked for enterprise, they're no! good, they put regular gas in BMW's and Mercedes and when a car gets a check engine light instead of solving the issue they just get someone to keep turning the light off when it's just going to come right back on
Barry Ervin those cars require premium unleaded gasoline. it is the way they are engineered. also the same for a Ford mustang GT, cobra and a Chevrolet Corvette which says "premium unleaded fuel only"
Bought a 2012 camry with 45000 miles end of 2013 from hertz now have 139000 on it no problems just regular fluid changes and brake pads. Gonna get another camry from hertz or avis next year 2024.
What people don’t realize is that the rental cars are maintained well. They CANT go out on rent if they need an oil change..they get 30 and 60K 20 point inspections, they are washed and cleaned out every time the car returns, and many of them are not owned by the rental car company. In fact, more than half of their fleet are leased for a fixed amount of time or mileage (whichever comes first) and are returned to the dealer. Also, because of vicarious liability, the customers renting the car are ultimately responsible for damages, so the idea that everyone just beats the hell out of them at will and there is zero accountability is simply not correct…..and as far as the insurance goes, they are self insured for collision..not liability. If the car is an accident, the rental company pursues whoever was responsible or at fault for the accident and often those claims are subrogatable..therefore would appear in the carfax history. Scotty knows a lot about cars but not much about the inner-workings of the car rental industry.
In January 2017 I got a 2015 Prius C with 38k miles on it from Hertz for $11,500. Still runs perfectly, not a single problem. In August 2017 I purchased a 2013 Class C motor home from Cruise America - high mileage but about half price of new. Runs great, everything works....
Three Dogs and a Camper Nice. 11.5k for a 2 year old car. My best deal so far for newest was a 2002 I bought in 2006 for 15k with 83k miles. It was a lawyers car. It's sitting now though because I beat the living crap out of it. The one I'm currently driving was a rental with 56k. 2008 I bought in 2013. Currently 162k on it.
I worked a few years for two well known rental car franchises in the 90's. The advice in this video is spot on. - The wrecks are always fixed in-house, usually by some sketchy body shop you wouldn't take a bicycle to. Not for resale purposes or to avoid CarFax reporting, but simply just to keep insurance costs down. Wrecks are only reported when the vehicle needs to written off entirely, or injuries were reported. - Build quality on fleet cars is *abysmal*. I remember taking 1992 Camry's off the truck, direct from the factory, with reverse gear not working. We had Buick Skylarks (1992,1993) where the steering columns literally were pointed toward the door, not straight in line with the driver. Those were *weird* to drive. And the thing to remember, unlike a private owner buying a car, there was no dealer prep on any of these, they were all factory direct right off the car carrier.... take the plastic off the seats, put the plates on it, gas it up and in service they went. The break in was typically done by some 18 year old in the mile or two it took to bring it to the airport location, usually at full throttle lol - GM's where the cars would just shut-off... no reason, just shut off. Wouldn't restart without an ECM reboot. early Malibus and Olds Intrigues were notorious for this. Door gasket leaks, trim pieces falling off, you name it we saw it on all manor or make/models. No manufacturer sent us a perfect vehicle with any consistency. Oddly the crappiest cars we had in inventory (older high mileage k-cars and the sort ) ended up being totally fine with rental duty. Even we were shocked by that. Simplicity in design, we assumed. - As far as modern cars go for rentals, steer VERY clear of any mini-van or pickup truck. You know that thing was either hooned majorly, has more human waste in it than a public restroom (esp minivans w/ built-in child seats) or used to move lord knows what. And definitely don't buy if over 12,000 miles, Anything under 12k usually indicates a factory buy-back car, and those were generally kept up better as they were leased by the rental company and are usually resold at the dealer. (CarFax will indicate if it was a rental) Anything over that, it's been beat on, probably had its oil changed every 10k and only the good lord knows how many drivers and how many objects/animals/etc were hit with it.
I am still considering buying a vehicle from enterprise. I feel like you have to come off better than buying from a dealership. at least with enterprise all the scheduled maintenance will be done. they give a 12 month power train and 12 month roadside assistance warranty as well
I worked for Alamo in 1994- 1996. Cars were redlined cold and neutral slammed into drive. Our 1996 Taurus was 'grounded' at the 36K mile lease. Spin on a replacement filter because usually the oil was rarely changed. They were flagged for service but the service was never done. It was recorded so the car could be rented again. Some big cars like the Olds 88 were cornered so hard the tires came off the bead.
Kenny C I drive a DTS and before that a Deville. I can't believe I never popped the bead. Especially the Deville. One time I left about a 1.5 inch tire mark the entire way around a curve because of the speed.
I bought a Hyundai accent from a rental company with only about 25k miles I now have 110 k and no issue just normal maintenance it's been really good to me.
Never say never got a 2001 Jeep Grand Cherokee from enterprise rentals. This Jeep now has 253,000 miles on it going strong. A rare exception maybe but it worked out for us! Any used car is a risk and I’m about to enter that realm. Looking at a Honda Pilot now. Any thought folks just reply thanks
I bought my 2012 Ford Fusion from a car rental. Paid low, and it’s going strong 5 years later. Bought it with 30xxx and now I have 150xxx. Taken it into the shop total of 4 times. 3 or which were for normal wear and tear. 1 was for a faulty throttle.
Rental cars do get beat up on and ran hard however most of those goto auction and get bought up by your local Chevy and Ford dealers. I’ve worked at both and trust me if it’s on a used lot at a dealership and it’s not a trade in 60% of the time it was a rental. On the other hand Enterprise hertz etc choose the BEST cars in their inventory and sell those on their own lot. Bought two and current have a 17 Ram Promaster 2500 with 286k now driven hard, ex rental no problems. Used is used take care of it while you own it you’ll be fine.
Bought my 2010 Cobalt at a used car Fitzmall Superstore that was a rental car in it's 1st year of life. Besides a bent rear rim which I fixed she's been trouble free.
I would beware of rental cars retired after only one year. Usually, if they are retired that early instead of 2-3 years, it's because they're seeing an elevated # of problems with that make and model, is something a car rental agency can track and have better data on than just about anyone else besides the automaker (and the automaker isn't going to admit to anything unless there's a recall). That, and Chevy Cobalt so yeah, it's going to become a nuisance to repair pretty soon, I'd get rid of it while it seems okay still to avoid the more expensive period in its lifespan unless you're really good at DIY (or pro mechanic) so you minimize the cost of the repairs as much as possible.
@@stinkycheese804 or because they got enough miles... i bought a 2008 Chevy Cobalt with 60 000 miles, and after 9 years, runs like a champ with 140,000 miles.
I used to work in a shop that specialized in BMWs but the owner had lots of friends who were into road racing. Sometimes they would rent Neons and bring them in and we would take out the backseat and install fire extinguishers, and change the brake fluid and do a few other small mods and the guys would race them on Sunday and then bring them back in to be put back to original. Apparently there was some Neon Racing Association or something? But I think this was a relatively unusual use of rental cars? I hope so.
Another winning video from Scotty. (sarcasm) We bought a Chrysler van 5 years ago that started life as a rental. It's been an excellent family vehicle and very reliable. But according to Scotty, It should have exploded 10 times by now. A rental can be a great used car deal. Just take the time to do an extremely thorough inspection of it to make sure it hasn't been wrecked or abused.
The percentage and probability of buying one that's been beaten up is much higher. Certainly you can't say every rental car is bad, but it's like 90% of them. Still wouldn't want to gamble on that 10%
@@triparadox.c I agree that the likelihood of an abused one is much higher than a private party owned vehicle, but that's why I said to do an extremely thorough inspection.... even more thorough than a private party car. There are some ex-rentals that I wouldn't even look at. Any sort of rental sports car is a no-go, as well as most lower end or middle market cars. Those are usually rented by people who want to abuse them or are insurance rentals for when they wrecked their own car. On the other end, luxury cars, premium cars, minivans, and such are typically driven by business people who just need to get to a meeting or families on long trips and can be a fantastic deal, saving thousands over comparable used vehicles.
Used to work for Enterprise Holdings. All rentals are filled with 87, even the turbocharged and expensive cars. Also, cars were sometimes rented even when they needed routine maintenance. No rental car is worth the money, these cars get beat into the ground until they reach about 50K and they're sold off.
When you purchase a high-end rental car (I've bought several) they are always relatively new, and immaculately maintained. You can generally get a current model year rental, for thousands less than new sticker.
I bought a 2016 Elantra w/ 35k miles from Hertz- got 25k powertrain warranty and 3 years of roadside assistance- and I've put 32k of trouble free miles on it so far. It came with a few door dings and minor blemishes- but it runs great. So I disagree with this video somewhat
I bought a 2016 Passat w/36k miles from Hertz. I have power train warranty to 60k. Im at 52k now. Changed one of the spark plugs and oil changes so far. We'll see........
I bought my Chrysler Sebring (2010 limited) from a Carmax in Houston. It was a rental car for one year and had 21k miles on it. I paid 16k for it and have had it ten years. It has 118k miles on it now and even though I had had to put about 2k in repairs I still love the car. Your video was very insightful and I will learn from this for my next car. I’m hoping to get 5 more years/200k miles out of it.
Buying a previous rental is a terrible idea UNLESS you buy directly from the rental company. For example, I know that Enterprise only sells about the top 5% of rental cars to the public, the rest go to auction. Only vehicles with a meticulous maintenance history and zero accident history are available to the public. Stay far away from any previous rental that is being sold from anywhere other than directly from the source.
One exception. Dad bought a 82' Dodge K car, in 1987 from Budget. had 67,000 miles on it. Lasted until 1994 when it had 240,000 miles. Transmission went out, and scrapped it.
I rented an Impala a few years ago, and I discovered the governor kicked in at 115 mph and since I was going downhill, I also discovered the engine SHUTS OFF at 120 mph! That scared me for a second...I thought something blew up or something, lol. Once the car slowed down to about 80, I was able to put it in neutral and get it started back up.
That's not a surefire statement. I've known several people who bought a car, keep it garaged, waxed and carefully maintained, only to fall on hard times.
What about people with lots of money? There time is worth more and they are less worried about the car blowing up since they can easily afford a new one, thus are more likely to skip maintenance.
Everybody does. It’s not your car, who cares 🤷🏻♂️. I had a rented Nissan Sentra. I smoked in it, hit a trash can with it, had sex in it, accidentally peed on the steering wheel, then finally crashed it on the way to work. I’d never treat my own car like that.
I was dumb enough to buy a 83 Buick Regal from a rental car company years ago. After about 2 years the oil light came on. A mechanic pulled the valve cover and it was caked with muck. Although I had changed the oil frequently, the rental company did not. I think we put 20w40 oil in it to keep the oil light off long enough to trade it in. Scotty is right on this one!
Idk. I kinda disagree. For one, the company is gonna get all the maintenance done regularly. That one owner on another car was probably owned by Christy who doesnt even know what a oil change is. Also the miles are mostly highway miles, and in my experience, im extra careful in a rental car cuz i dont wanna end up having to pay money for damaging a car thats not mine.
Regular maintenance isn't always what it should be though. I used to service rental cars they only want the bare minimum. Whatever conventional oil and a store brand filter.
Buying a used car from car rental companies is fine. I've had two and neither have given me problems. I've gotten wonderful deals on both of them as well. Just get the car checked out.
Same here.. I did take the time to have the Car inspected by my mechanic before purchasing. I also got under it at the mechanic and inspected everything for any previous damage. The price I got was fair for what I got. So far 2 years in and no problems.
It is a crap shoot. I bought a low mileage Optima for my wife which was a nightmare. It was one of the only cars I got rid of less than two years after buying. I will not buy another car from a rental company.
I bought a 2013 Nissan maxima, 9000+ miles. 2 1/2 years ago 2017. For a little over $ 18,000. I have 100,000+ miles on it. Knock on wood, runs great and no issues
Eddie Jackson That's kind of crazy a rental that old with only 9k? Seems odd. NM didn't think about "2.5 years ago". Still seems pretty low for a rental.
You can't really get away from them. Even if you buy from a dealer or road side it could still be a rental. I bought a Pontiac LeMans from Enterprise back in the early 1990s for my father in law. He ran it into the ground. Probably the best car he ever owned. Eventually the oil pump broke I think he said. Could be it didn't have enough oil. As always do your research. Take it out for a ride.
Bought a used 2016 Toyota Sequia, I went through the whole vehicle, top and bottom, over and under. Got a great deal, changed ALL fluids and filters, had mechanic go through it. Been a great vehicle so far, had 31,000 miles when I bought it. 🤞
@@geebee6010 Depends on how you keep vehicles, till the wheels fall off or you like newer vehicles. The Sequoia is a truck that will last till the wheels fall off.
Yep, bought a two year old low mileage mustang from Enterprise my kid got rear ended insurance adjuster was doing the estimate and asked us when the car was last in a collision then started pointing out all the over spray in the trunk. It wasn't on Carfax and Enterprise didn't disclose it.
Sometimes cars have been in accidents but people don’t report it to their insurance because it’ll go up. So they fix them out of pocket. With no record of the accident the carfax won’t tell you anything about an accident.
I've bought 3 cars from Enterprise car sales. Never had an issue. One I drove for 13 years, the other two I still own And over 10 years old and other 9. Both are paid off. I felt I got great values on those cars.
when looking at pricing a used car i'm looking to buy, i ask my insurance company how much they'd give me for a totaled out value for that vehicle and that is what i go by.
Waste of time. Look at average prices for comparable cars in your area. That's the usual replacement price. Which company is going to answer that for 5 or 6 cars while you shop anyway?
my first car is a chevy impala 2015 lt limited for $13999 with 37k on the odometer from enterprise car sales and i got it 2 years ago and so far no big issued; no damage thank god just one alignment needed and i done so far lot of self maintenance. no issues so far i guess i was lucky and I still drive it to this day not any issues so far; even with 1 flush of coolant and transmission flush, brake change and just yearly filter change and oil change done myself.
Joe Luis - bought a 2014 LT Impala with about 11K on it. This was back in 2015 and purchased it for 19K. This car has been SO reliable. Currently have 124K on it and I’m sure it will go a long time from now.
I bought a rental car 2011 honda Accord 8 years ago only 40,000 miles and it's been the best car I bought from Enterprise and I would definitely buy another one .
That's because you got a Honda haha. Good choice! My friend had bought a 2015 Chevy Cruze LTZ ( big mistake) that was a previous rental and the dealership was like, "it had leather so it was executive package" and by 45,000 miles the motor is now running like a tractor. 😂 stick to your Honda or a Toyota!
I worked at a rental car company, and the employees drove them like madmen shuttling them back and forth across the city, and the customers returned them it terrible shape. The only maintenance that was done was cosmetic (wash and vacuum). When any real maintenance or repairs were needed it was sold off. Stay away from icar, that's where all the crap goes from car rental companies.
lusl1094 Most rental cars are service at new car dealerships,no independent mechanic shops they go through 5000 mile service,10000,15000 etc...anything that needs to be fix or replace are done, Where single owners avoid most of those appointments because they can get pretty expensive
Mr.Kilmer, In 1981 I bought a 1980 Pontiac Firebird Esprit with a V6. I never had any problems with that car. In fact that Firebird is still on the road.
Bought a Toyota Corolla for my son which was a previous rental. Got rid of it years later with well in excess of 100K miles. Only unscheduled repair was coils that had to be purchased at about 90K. Like Scotty said, some cars are hard to break...Corolla a good example of a previous rental that usually works out.
My 2019 Toyota Tacoma SR5 DCLB was an ex Enterprise Canada rental. It was only a year old and has 12k mi on it. Stickered new for 42K CDN. Picked it up for $34K. It was like new and got the balance of the warranty. Being a Toyota, I felt it was a pretty fair deal. Now if it had 40K on it or was a GM or Chrysler product I would have passed.....
Not necessarily. A coworkers daughter bought a Toyota Camry which was a rental car. The engine blew at 120K. He said that she will never buy a Toyota again. I thought that this wasn't fair as the car was likely abused. Definitely be careful when buying a rental car.
@@JonnyDIY Yeah and sometimes as Scotty indicates the mechanics are at fault. I once rented a Jetta that was running perfectly. After returning from grocery shopping, I found a puddle of oil in the front. I checked the oil and it was definitely low. The rental car company told me it recently was serviced at a local Firestone and gave me another rental. On that day, I also learned where not to take my personal car for maintenance as well. 😊
Exciting is what you do with it, not necessarily the vehicle itself. You'd be amazed at what a Dodge Caravan is capable of when the driver just doesn't give a damn.
As someone that works at a rental place this is true. some cars are hit and miss but the nicer fast cars generally get beat on more than a optima, esp chargers and challengers.
3 cars from Enterprise. None with major issues and warranty was still in effect. 1 year bumper to bumper engine 100k. All lasted a decade or more still have 2.
Scotty I can't help how anyone drives a rental car, and I know it's only a sample size of ONE, but I bought a rental car at two years old, kept it 20 years, and had no signs of abuse nor any unusual problems (every eventual repair issue was typical of that make/model/age/miles). In my opinion, you have to treat each used car as its own unique specimen, look at what the (negotiated) price is, what the condition is, and have it checked out by a mechanic experienced with that model if it's worth more than a couple thousands dollars or if there are any concerns. As far as cheaper made ( 4:50 ) I didn't notice that at all, though it was the base trim of that vehicle, had nothing luxurious on it but the base model of that particular vehicle had the same engine and tranny as any other trim (besides the sporty model that had a turbo I didn't want), and there were certain minimum features that even the base model had like tilt steering, power windows and locks, AM/FM radio, cruise control, ABS, and of course airbags. Heck, these days I'd rather have base model without all the very expensive things that will eventually fail if you hold onto a vehicle as long as you and I do, except in some cases that can be more work, for example power windows are easy to find the buttons or motor for but go to a junkyard and try to find the spin lever or mechanism for manual windows on anything made in the last 30 years and you may be looking for a long time because so few vehicles had manual windows in recent years besides the very cheap domestic econoboxes that you may not want to keep driving enough to repair (lol).
Got a rental from Alamo, 75K miles on the car. Got it home and battery went out. Had to jump start it with my car to get it back to Alamo. Lot attendant told me off the record that at one time rental companies took cars out of rotation at 10k miles now they keep them much longer. Yes, and don't care about basic maintenance.
I bought a 2012 Impala in 2013 for dirt cheap with 30k miles on it. I put 100k more miles on it and then gave it to my son. It still runs and drives good. The engine light only recently came on for the first time for a purge selenoid. An easy fix. Scotty is not always right.
Okay... so your anecdotal experience means buying a rental always works out great? Think the point of the story is, hey you take more risks buying a rental than buying a single owner used car. But sure your story means all rentals are good and you shouldn't be aware of the increased risks.
I can agree with the rental cars. We rented a current model mini-van in FL and the rubber lining on the windows weren't glued down. So when you roll-up the windows the rubber lining would pop off. Luckily we just kept the windows closed and used the AC.
More than half the time I don’t know what he’s talking about. For once I sat through a whole video and I learned a few things. I don’t know much about cars but to drive them and schedule oil changes. This is the reason I subscribed and force myself to watch these videos. Thanks Scotty!
I also used to work for two big rental companies and trust me they don’t do the oil change the way is suppose to, most of the time they reset the oil light just because they don’t have the time for an oil change and customers are waiting for a clean car and that’s it...there it goes another thousand miles away without a oil change.
Frank Denardo I learned a long time ago that those don’t off road well. The dealer was supposed to have my Jeep for 3 days, but it turned into 5 weeks. I very specifically told them that I go to the off-road park every week. I would take one week off, but after that, if I didn’t have my Jeep back, their car would be getting it. Let’s just say that the little Stratus didn’t like whoops at 60.
I'm a part-time driver who delivers rental cars to the purchasing dealers. What I say is if you buy 50 cars, 5 will look like new, 5 will be rough, and the rest are somewhere in between; usually closer to new.
2012 Dodge Caravan bought in spring 2013 20,000 miles from Enterprise. Drivers side visor was kinda wore from everyone cramming rental agreement, needed tires & back brakes within a year. Been very dependable since recent front brakes 2nd set of tires100,000 miles low payment finally paid. I do wish I would’ve talked to new dealer . But satisfied with experience.
One thing Scotty forgot to mention that I found out about Enterprise: some of the cars they sell were not even rentals. I aw the fine print on one of their brochures that stated that the car may have been bought at an auction. This can go both ways: auction because it was damaged then repaired or it was reprocessed from one owner that may have taken good care of it. Also, I knew from before never to buy a sports car from a rental agency as those cars ARE beaten to death by renters. I have always taken care of cars that I rented.
Lots of the cars they sell weren't rentals. They buy crap from the "back lot" of dealerships. Scotty is only scratching the surface. They are self insured and are extremely cheap. Cheapest repair wins their work.
0:56-2:17 Wow!!! I never knew rental car companies have their own in-house insurance instead of using an insurance company like most consumers. All the time I thought buying from a rental car was good because they take good care of maintenance and most sell them before they reach 50,000 miles/80467.2km...
They do it because of the speed with which they can get their cars in for body work, not to hide past damage. They sell the public their best cars anyways. The beaters usually go to auction.
Ive purchased two vehicles form rental companies, no issues love them. Just try to get a good deal, inspect the car, ask for their own history record, try to get the less likely rentals like SUV’s , higher trims, and if you can get their powertrain insurance. They’ll always give you a good deal. I’ve used enterprise they are awesome!
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The Drive it like a Rental probably started with the Mustang Hertz car.....(for us old enough to remember what that is)
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What if the rental car is a 94 celica?
Scotty: *nervously revs up his engine*
What if it's a 04 Celica now they like to use oil!
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He has upset the market on 94 celicas . There is now a premium
That will never happen. Scotty bought all of them.
i roll an 86 MR2. runs harder than my woman.
When I rent a car, I drive it like I bought it. Because that's the way I was raised. Treat other people's stuff like your own. But that's just me.
Same.
Same
Same here.
I do the same cuz I still have to buy my own gas lol
Me too 😊
In 1985 my parents bought a used rental car: a 1983 Buick Skylark with 39,000 miles. That car served us flawless until 2002. Exception to the rule.
Cars back was built better. Some do fall through.
in 1994 my folks bought a Toyota camry from a Toyota dealer. several months later found avis stickers all inside the engine bay. car was great. folks sold it to my uncle in 1999. uncle kept it until 2007 before he killed it.
@@PapascoffsThey would just rust
99% are great vehicles.It's that last 1% that can be a bit rough around the edges
+Leigh Rich
Yeah, older cars only really have major rust issues, but if it's been taken care of they will last FAAAAAAR longer than modern 90's and up cars.
I do work at some new car dealers in my area and they buy cars from car rental places. So even if your buying a used car from the dealer it still could be a rental car...
Jan Mcwilliams That's how I got mine. I knew ahead of time though.
It's like that everywhere. thats how they make money and get new cars to rent out and the cycle starts over.
Got mine from dealers too.
I think in California if you ask, they have to tell you.
100% true
I have watched a number of Scotty's videos and feel like if I listen to him I will be walking everywhere or on a bike.
Seriously tho! 😅 I wanna trust him but I also wanna vehicle 😂
Myself, I walk everywhere... No CVT transmission bills or engine failures etc..
I worked for a rental car company and believe me I won't buy those cars...
Yeah the people leave trash everywhere inside the car like it's a dumpster and then return it that way and leave it up to the rental guys to clean it up
@Ray Ray
Those used car dealers sure buy those
Here in Canada dealerships have to disclose if they are selling a former rental. I stay away from them.
me too
Yeah I just learned today...
What goes 70 MPH in reverse? A rental car!
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Except a Toyota, you can't even kill them.
but only if you're doing 70 MPH in drive when you shift to reverse
Drive it like you stole it! (or rented it)
Mannard Mann yeap lol
Or "Whip it like a rental!" Haha
Scotty. Worked at Hertz for 2 years. Our cars would be locked out and unable to rent if an oil change or any maintenance is not done.
Surname Currently worked for hertz and it’s still the same way. We will be sold out of cars and cannot rent the cars that need PMs
Surname same at ERAC
I've long suspected that if a rental car has damage, the agency will sell that same damage to everyone that rents it, unless the customer spots the damage first.
@@walmartdog1142 you're wrong. Maybe the small mom and pop rental companies, but not the big guys. You can now clear your mind off that, since it's long been a question in your head.
@@clints4049 I rented two cars from Hertz in CA. Both had issues and when I called about it, they basically asked if it ran. As long as they did, they wouldn't do anything for me so I drove them with CELs lit for a week. Who knows if prior customers also drove it with issues.
I brought a used 2017 low milage rental car recently. 1 month went by, took it for a recall fix and the mechanic came out and told me the bad news. Major accident. Even frame damage. I contacted a lawyer and got all my money back etc but SCOTTY is so right. DON'T DO IT.
Shane B what car was it?
@olemissfan91 You must not have heard Scotty!!!! They are self insured!!!! They don't have to report the accidents!!!! Just like you if you if you hit a door post, and repair the damage out of pocket without contacting the insurance company that accident will not be reported to the Carfax or Autocheck.
To be fair, that should have been suspicious from the get go. Why would they sell a fairly new, low milage car if there was nothing wrong with it?
Which rental car company?
How many horror stories about buying a regular car from a used dealer?? You must do due diligence no matter what, bottom line.
The self insured part I didn’t know.
Most large companies are self insured not just rental co
Either the rental customer's auto insurance will pay for the wreck or the extra $20 per day paid by each customer for the rental collision coverage on the 250,000+ car rental fleet will cover the cost. So with a 2% annual vehicle accident rate in the USA, anything above the 2% of the car cost equal to $500 (or 25 days of $20 daily rental collision coverage) on a $25,000 car is extra profit for the rental companies.
truck and other transport companies are as well
yes and thats why they PUSH YOU so hard to get their insurance
Public transportation companies, city buses are also self insured.
Scotty should do a similar video about buying a used car from one of the big, national used car stores, like Carmax or Drivetime
Yes! Great topic!
@Wegocgsgc Feather They both rip you off, specially Drivetime, they cater to people with bad credit.
CARMAX!!! what a ripoff !! The money they charge is outrageous
Carmax is probably the biggest buyer in any lane at the auction. That's where the cars come from. They are also the highest bidder and this is why the prices are generally higher. They also do alot of recon to their cars which is why they generally look nicer. Drivetime is a large corporate buy here pay here and also buys their cars at auction but........theirs are much higher mileage and cheaper until they sell them to the credit challenged customers.
He has already said not to. Buy a used car private party and have a mechanic look it over
I bought my car from Enterprise....love it and never had a problem....I’ve had it for 14 years and still going strong.
bought a 2012 tahoe off hertz for dirt cheap. Only had 40k on it. Got over 250k on her now and haven't done a thing but regular maintenance and a starter.
Trevor Jones well that's pretty cool. did you barter for the good price ?
You just got lucky.
Trevor Jones bet youre going to sell it online for the same price you bought it 🤔
Yeah scotty may be thinking primarily of little economy cars and sports cars. Full sized sedans and SUVs tend to be driven by a more sedate crowd, with the exception of towing in some cases, but most often people that tow with an SUV, own it and tow the toy they also own, not renting one at some distant location. If they own the towed toy they own the way to haul it.
Same here. Got 100k on a rental car with no issues.
If it wasn’t for the rental car companies, there wouldn’t be many used cars for sale.
Spoken like someone who works for the car sales dept at hertz or ERAC Lol
@@blacjackdaniels200 no I worked at a Chevy dealership and went to the auctions to pick up rental fleet turn ins. “One owner”!
@@davidhorne2326 well I knew you had to have something to do with that end of the business one way or the other. I worked in the remarketing department so I sold the used cars off the fleet to dealerships and used car dealers. Not fun
What's the fastest car you've ever driven?
*A Rental!*
The fastest car... *in the world*
@@frooz442 trueee
LOL
A company car
A Dodge Journey I rented for a weekend lol.
Hundreds of people renting the car means hundred farts in the driver seat. NO THANK YOU
What about the people with stinky asses they sit on those seats.
Strange way to loook at it but you’re not wrong
Desinfection Spray, problem solved
@@Icymagic97 yep,disgusting like buses's seats but a good point nonetheless.
Owen Odiase- it's much worse than that. I used to travel a lot with work, and often found myself eating fast food while driving a rental. Then I realized, past drivers were picking their noses, sticking their hands God-knows-where, taking a big dump at a truck stop and not washing their hands, and now I'm touching the same steering wheel. Time to start carrying some disinfectant wipes.
Remember Scotty said that he *generally* doesn’t recommend buying rental cars, not to never buy them. I bought my ‘09 Ford Fusion w/ 30k miles from a rental car company and it has never had an issue.
My husband bought a rental...Chevy Cobalt. Trouble free for 100,000 mi. till he sold it.
that's cause its a ford.. if it were a chevy... *shivers*
-worker at a car rental company
Me too! My 09 Fusion currently has 2009 150K miles and still going. I am now looking for a new car at that same rental company because I want a car with all the new features. Might give the fusion to my brother.
@@normanduke8855 I bought a 2006 Chevy Cobalt on 2007 from Enterprise. It had 26,000 miles when I got it. Except for things that needed fixing, and the usual maintenance, it gave me years of enjoyment. After 135,557 miles, I traded it in. It developed front end problems and an emission issue that I couldn't seem to get rid of. After all, I had it for 12 years (April 2007 to April 2019). I also had the ignition switch replaced at a Chevy dealer - free of charge!
@@knowbodiesfull5768 I found the Cobalt to be very peppy and fun to drive, like a sports car.
My family bought 3 USED HYUNDAI SONATAS from Enterprise. The mileage 30-40,000 miles on each auto. The autos were EXCELLENT,each one has over 110,000 miles and still going strong . Scotty isn’t always full -proof!
I agree my rental has been excellent 👌🏽
Scotty is right about this one they dont care about thier cars they do the least maintenance as possible
I’ve worked at a car rental agency and let me say that maintenance isn’t a priority
@@john9790 its true . I used to work at one. You just got lucky.
I bought a 2016 rav4 awd le from enterprise with 72,000 miles… best purchase of my life. No problems 100,000. Only oil changes.
This doesn't discount what Scotty says about the big rental companies but my 1998 Neon, which I still drive, came from a defunct rental agency in Florida with just 23,000 miles on it. And since Neons like many pre chipped and imobilizer cars were easy to steal they put this huge honking steel collar around the ignition switch. Not only has the car with regular DIY maintenance been incredibly reliable but the reinforced ignition has resisted 3 separate theft attempts. Once the thief's screwdriver actually broke off in the ignition cylinder trying to break it off the column and that cylinder still functions perfectly fine.
you must live in a big city to have so many theft attempts?
@mrlpn2 Someone looking for a ride. Most car thefts aren't about the vehicle. They are either crimes of convenience to get from A to B or to enable other crimes.
@@ronvalley1973 At the time I did live in a fairly big city and not in the best part of it either.
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@@JohnDoe-jn4ex What?
Wow. Did not know about rental agencies being self-insured. Thank You VERY much for that info, Scotty.
*used to work for enterprise rent a car*
That's why they want you to pay for insurance thru them, rental places sell "insurance products" from actual insurance companies, you aren't covered by Enterprise self insurance when you rent one, the Damage Waiver is just that a waiver not to hold you responsible for damages to their vehicle. The supplemental insurance (aka state minimum coverage), is from a 3rd party. Rental companies, take no risk on your driving. Honestly though damage waiver is a must on those things, (make the rental company eat any damage costs). Which is also why Enterprise only makes like 200$ a year on damage waiver, if you think on it, after everyone who buys the DW, it only takes a handful of knuckle heads to wreck a 40k vehicle to eat up any profit. I'm rambling, but Scott is right, dont buy their cars.
Brookie Bookie thanks for the info, although I am a bit confused by it all. I typically deny insurance through the rental company and use a credit card that has insurance for rentals on it. I imagine that coverage isn’t that great, but... the exception to that is when I rent moving vans, in which case I buy their coverage. Wondering if this is the way to do it, or not. I don’t buy cars from rental companies.
Thanks
At least the larger agencies would. And likely even if an insurance company would do collision or comprehensive insurance (the rental company WOULD have a general liability policy on the entire fleet), likely the premiums and deductibles would be unattractive. It's all about keeping the costs down. Also, most rental companies don't BUY cars from the auto makers, they LEASE them, with a dealership agreement to resell once they've had their run as a daily rental. That's also why the rental car companies don't budge on the price, they can, like any dealer, finagle with the financing as most buyers will finance these 2 year old cars anyway to get the MONTHLY payments that most buyers fixate on within their budget.
Many of the one to two year old cars that you find for sale at dealerships are former rentals, especially models people tend to keep for a long time such as Corollas, Camrys, etc. Very hard to find a one year old used Corolla that isn't a former rental.
Bought a used Corolla from Hertz and put 440,000 miles on it with minimal problems.
reputable rental companies generally follow maintenance schedules. private owners don't necessarily.
You got lucky because I purchased one from hertz and damn thing was in an accident and they lied to me saying it had a clear history.
Ken S yea they don't like to stock cars they are more than 2 years old
@@jessehernandez3305 did you find out from the CarFax?
@@itsmimi3154 They used carfax as their proof, once i brought it to their attention i had a lawyer they changed their tune. I lied about having a lawyer but it scared them enough to pay for 6k in repairs.
My vehicle was an enterprise rental car. It was a year old and $10000 below list. 6 years and 110000kms later, zero issues. I can understand the concern but like buying any car, do your research and have it checked thoroughly.
If you buy a rental, stick with slow 4 cylinder types like Toyota Corollas, Nissan Sentra types. Less chance of people going nuts in those cars.
We bought a 2017 Toyota Camry from Enterprise, it had just under 46,000 miles on it. We are really happy with it, but they tend to take good care of it. And we bought it for under it's book value. And yeah, the system is corrupt, but the car runs and drives great, we even got a warranty on it.
You sound like a smart car buyer. I always go by the wisdom of my DAD, "Let the buyer beware."
I love all your input. I have bought dozens and dozens of rental cars for my Driving School businesses. Usually 1-2 years old, under 35K miles and they've worked out fine. No more problems than with new cars at a much higher price. So sometimes, if you pick the correct model(like a Corolla)...it can be good. Still appreciate all your good advice and experience sharing. Thanks
I bought a rental from hertz. It has worked really good for me. Got it with 55 000, I put 100,000 so far.
You make a lot of great points though. The whole crash history thing I didn’t know about.
Rental car is a hit or miss, no amount of checking can finds all the wear and tears.
What I really like about Hertz is the whole 3 days you can try before buying (You basically rent it for 3 days and if you buy it you do not pay the rental) I used this time to take it to my mechanic to have it inspected - I inspected it for unreported damage as well. Everything looked solid and the car has worked out for me for the past 2+ years.
I did know that they were self insured and all.. I know it can be hit or miss and why you need to have any used car inspected. CarFax does not catch everything. I got mine with 44,000 and put 11,000 on it in 2 years lol.
I work on enterprise rental cars here in Avondale Arizona . Purcell tire is the shop , we take great care of those rental cars thank you
I bought one from a dealership. It was a rental / loaner.
A 1992 Geo Prism with 8900 miles.
Basically a Toyota Corolla.
Paid about 1/3 less than market.
I almost laughed when the guy said it would last 200,000 miles if I kept up on oil changes.
Sold it to my brother with 212,000 miles and the only things I ever replaced were wear and tear items like tires and brakes.
Oh and an alternator.
Not bad. Loved that car.
Edit: My brother gave it to his son- in-law and it got totalled a week later.
I worked for Avis rentals. We did a pretty through check of our cars when we cleaned them. If you damaged it we'll know.
And when a car needs an expensive repair they'll sell it
@@jjfrockets2 Seems about right. They'll sell it above Bluebook value
@@jjfrockets2 not really. If the repair is too expensive, they write it off.
Did repair work for Avis for 2 years and they have incredibly high standards
@@blade1994111able yeah as in they sell it sooner I used to work for them they write it off by selling it what do you think happens to low mileage cars in need of expensive repairs not covered under warranty they don't go to mass auction lots like the high mileage cars they get the bare minimum to run half decent for a short period of time and they get sold individually for over blue book value.
@@jjfrockets2 in South Africa if you buy a used car from a dealer, it comes with a 6 month warranty.
When a car is written off here, it goes to a salvage auction or is scrapped.
Perhaps your laws are different and allow for people to be cheated and deceived, however here we have higher standards and regulations when it comes to used cars.
I used to work for Enterprise and bought one of their cars. It was a great car. I put 300,000 miles on it over the last 16 years. Never had to replace anything other than the normal wear and tear items. I wish I could get another.
His point of view is very flawed in saying don’t by used rental cars...
As long as it is in good condition and a fair price at the time of purchase nothing else matters.
This speech is one of sweeping generalizations and paranoia...
P M Congrats on your 300,000 mile vehicle!!! Make I please know the year, make, model of the vehicle you purchased from Enterprise?
@@brendame 2003, Mitsubishi, Galant.
@@brendame Also my daughter's 2013 Malibu 140k and still rolling. The biggest repair was wheel hub bearings.
P M Basically this Scotty loser is just making idiotic statements. The guy clearly knows very little about vehicles and the required maintenance. He expresses a lot of opinions that are very well disproven. He is just a failure that started a TH-cam channel filling the heads of idiots with his propaganda. The guy is a joke to all car guys. I’m a crew chief on a NHRA super/gas team and it’s funny to see all the guys making fun of him. The Force crew waits for his videos and they all watch them and make fun of him. He is nothing but a joke to actual gearheads.
I worked for enterprise, they're no! good, they put regular gas in BMW's and Mercedes and when a car gets a check engine light instead of solving the issue they just get someone to keep turning the light off when it's just going to come right back on
my friend told me the same... he worked for hertz
Sounds like another great reason never to buy a used BMW or Mercedes, no matter who owned it.
Kaprise Edwards I have a Mercedes Benz S klasse and being equipped with a V8 engine requires super unleaded gasoline.
Barry Ervin those cars require premium unleaded gasoline. it is the way they are engineered. also the same for a Ford mustang GT, cobra and a Chevrolet Corvette which says "premium unleaded fuel only"
Frank Denardo modern cars with knock sensors will tolerate it I think
But old cars won’t survive
Bought a 2012 camry with 45000 miles end of 2013 from hertz now have 139000 on it no problems just regular fluid changes and brake pads. Gonna get another camry from hertz or avis next year 2024.
What people don’t realize is that the rental cars are maintained well. They CANT go out on rent if they need an oil change..they get 30 and 60K 20 point inspections, they are washed and cleaned out every time the car returns, and many of them are not owned by the rental car company. In fact, more than half of their fleet are leased for a fixed amount of time or mileage (whichever comes first) and are returned to the dealer. Also, because of vicarious liability, the customers renting the car are ultimately responsible for damages, so the idea that everyone just beats the hell out of them at will and there is zero accountability is simply not correct…..and as far as the insurance goes, they are self insured for collision..not liability. If the car is an accident, the rental company pursues whoever was responsible or at fault for the accident and often those claims are subrogatable..therefore would appear in the carfax history.
Scotty knows a lot about cars but not much about the inner-workings of the car rental industry.
In January 2017 I got a 2015 Prius C with 38k miles on it from Hertz for $11,500. Still runs perfectly, not a single problem. In August 2017 I purchased a 2013 Class C motor home from Cruise America - high mileage but about half price of new. Runs great, everything works....
Three Dogs and a Camper Nice. 11.5k for a 2 year old car. My best deal so far for newest was a 2002 I bought in 2006 for 15k with 83k miles. It was a lawyers car. It's sitting now though because I beat the living crap out of it.
The one I'm currently driving was a rental with 56k. 2008 I bought in 2013. Currently 162k on it.
I work at Avis and I can tell you now they do not get treated very well. Lots of starting and stopping, revving when cold and going through carwashes
Amos Y car washes are bad? What about the touchless ones?
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Stay away from touchless. I wash trucks, the detergent they use is very strong, hard on your finish.
I worked a few years for two well known rental car franchises in the 90's. The advice in this video is spot on.
- The wrecks are always fixed in-house, usually by some sketchy body shop you wouldn't take a bicycle to. Not for resale purposes or to avoid CarFax reporting, but simply just to keep insurance costs down. Wrecks are only reported when the vehicle needs to written off entirely, or injuries were reported.
- Build quality on fleet cars is *abysmal*. I remember taking 1992 Camry's off the truck, direct from the factory, with reverse gear not working. We had Buick Skylarks (1992,1993) where the steering columns literally were pointed toward the door, not straight in line with the driver. Those were *weird* to drive. And the thing to remember, unlike a private owner buying a car, there was no dealer prep on any of these, they were all factory direct right off the car carrier.... take the plastic off the seats, put the plates on it, gas it up and in service they went. The break in was typically done by some 18 year old in the mile or two it took to bring it to the airport location, usually at full throttle lol
- GM's where the cars would just shut-off... no reason, just shut off. Wouldn't restart without an ECM reboot. early Malibus and Olds Intrigues were notorious for this. Door gasket leaks, trim pieces falling off, you name it we saw it on all manor or make/models. No manufacturer sent us a perfect vehicle with any consistency. Oddly the crappiest cars we had in inventory (older high mileage k-cars and the sort ) ended up being totally fine with rental duty. Even we were shocked by that. Simplicity in design, we assumed.
- As far as modern cars go for rentals, steer VERY clear of any mini-van or pickup truck. You know that thing was either hooned majorly, has more human waste in it than a public restroom (esp minivans w/ built-in child seats) or used to move lord knows what. And definitely don't buy if over 12,000 miles, Anything under 12k usually indicates a factory buy-back car, and those were generally kept up better as they were leased by the rental company and are usually resold at the dealer. (CarFax will indicate if it was a rental) Anything over that, it's been beat on, probably had its oil changed every 10k and only the good lord knows how many drivers and how many objects/animals/etc were hit with it.
I am still considering buying a vehicle from enterprise. I feel like you have to come off better than buying from a dealership. at least with enterprise all the scheduled maintenance will be done. they give a 12 month power train and 12 month roadside assistance warranty as well
I worked for Alamo in 1994- 1996. Cars were redlined cold and neutral slammed into drive. Our 1996 Taurus was 'grounded' at the 36K mile lease. Spin on a replacement filter because usually the oil was rarely changed. They were flagged for service but the service was never done. It was recorded so the car could be rented again. Some big cars like the Olds 88 were cornered so hard the tires came off the bead.
Kenny C I drive a DTS and before that a Deville. I can't believe I never popped the bead. Especially the Deville. One time I left about a 1.5 inch tire mark the entire way around a curve because of the speed.
I bought a Hyundai accent from a rental company with only about 25k miles I now have 110 k and no issue just normal maintenance it's been really good to me.
famous last words...
Hyundai cars are a great value at rental dealers.
I bought a Mazda3 from Hertz 2 years ago still running strong
My family bought 2 grand ams 😂 that were rental cars and they ran almost 20 years each. But that’s was the 90s and people respected rental cars then
Never say never got a 2001 Jeep Grand Cherokee from enterprise rentals. This Jeep now has 253,000 miles on it going strong. A rare exception maybe but it worked out for us! Any used car is a risk and I’m about to enter that realm. Looking at a Honda Pilot now. Any thought folks just reply thanks
tdk74 you must be lucky.
I bought my 2012 Ford Fusion from a car rental. Paid low, and it’s going strong 5 years later. Bought it with 30xxx and now I have 150xxx. Taken it into the shop total of 4 times. 3 or which were for normal wear and tear. 1 was for a faulty throttle.
Rental cars do get beat up on and ran hard however most of those goto auction and get bought up by your local Chevy and Ford dealers. I’ve worked at both and trust me if it’s on a used lot at a dealership and it’s not a trade in 60% of the time it was a rental. On the other hand Enterprise hertz etc choose the BEST cars in their inventory and sell those on their own lot. Bought two and current have a 17 Ram Promaster 2500 with 286k now driven hard, ex rental no problems. Used is used take care of it while you own it you’ll be fine.
Bought my 2010 Cobalt at a used car Fitzmall Superstore that was a rental car in it's 1st year of life. Besides a bent rear rim which I fixed she's been trouble free.
I would beware of rental cars retired after only one year. Usually, if they are retired that early instead of 2-3 years, it's because they're seeing an elevated # of problems with that make and model, is something a car rental agency can track and have better data on than just about anyone else besides the automaker (and the automaker isn't going to admit to anything unless there's a recall). That, and Chevy Cobalt so yeah, it's going to become a nuisance to repair pretty soon, I'd get rid of it while it seems okay still to avoid the more expensive period in its lifespan unless you're really good at DIY (or pro mechanic) so you minimize the cost of the repairs as much as possible.
@@stinkycheese804 or because they got enough miles... i bought a 2008 Chevy Cobalt with 60 000 miles, and after 9 years, runs like a champ with 140,000 miles.
My dad used to work with a guy who rented cars on the weekend and took them drag racing
I used to work in a shop that specialized in BMWs but the owner had lots of friends who were into road racing. Sometimes they would rent Neons and bring them in and we would take out the backseat and install fire extinguishers, and change the brake fluid and do a few other small mods and the guys would race them on Sunday and then bring them back in to be put back to original. Apparently there was some Neon Racing Association or something? But I think this was a relatively unusual use of rental cars? I hope so.
Racing four bangers! How daredevilish! lol
Right.
Another winning video from Scotty. (sarcasm)
We bought a Chrysler van 5 years ago that started life as a rental. It's been an excellent family vehicle and very reliable. But according to Scotty, It should have exploded 10 times by now.
A rental can be a great used car deal. Just take the time to do an extremely thorough inspection of it to make sure it hasn't been wrecked or abused.
The percentage and probability of buying one that's been beaten up is much higher. Certainly you can't say every rental car is bad, but it's like 90% of them. Still wouldn't want to gamble on that 10%
@@triparadox.c I agree that the likelihood of an abused one is much higher than a private party owned vehicle, but that's why I said to do an extremely thorough inspection.... even more thorough than a private party car.
There are some ex-rentals that I wouldn't even look at. Any sort of rental sports car is a no-go, as well as most lower end or middle market cars. Those are usually rented by people who want to abuse them or are insurance rentals for when they wrecked their own car. On the other end, luxury cars, premium cars, minivans, and such are typically driven by business people who just need to get to a meeting or families on long trips and can be a fantastic deal, saving thousands over comparable used vehicles.
I agree... I bought a Chrysler 300 years ago and it is a great car. I can’t see many people abusing luxury cars or mini vans.
@@triparadox.c that's why you should buy used rentals from rental dealerships. Usually the bad ones end up at the other lots.
We've bought two cars from Enterprise and had no issues.
Used to work for Enterprise Holdings. All rentals are filled with 87, even the turbocharged and expensive cars. Also, cars were sometimes rented even when they needed routine maintenance. No rental car is worth the money, these cars get beat into the ground until they reach about 50K and they're sold off.
When you purchase a high-end rental car (I've bought several) they are always relatively new, and immaculately maintained. You can generally get a current model year rental, for thousands less than new sticker.
When you want to sell, get $thousands less too because it was a rental. Try it.
I bought a 2016 Elantra w/ 35k miles from Hertz- got 25k powertrain warranty and 3 years of roadside assistance- and I've put 32k of trouble free miles on it so far. It came with a few door dings and minor blemishes- but it runs great. So I disagree with this video somewhat
I bought a 2016 Passat w/36k miles from Hertz. I have power train warranty to 60k. Im at 52k now. Changed one of the spark plugs and oil changes so far. We'll see........
I bought my Chrysler Sebring (2010 limited) from a Carmax in Houston. It was a rental car for one year and had 21k miles on it. I paid 16k for it and have had it ten years. It has 118k miles on it now and even though I had had to put about 2k in repairs I still love the car. Your video was very insightful and I will learn from this for my next car. I’m hoping to get 5 more years/200k miles out of it.
Buying a previous rental is a terrible idea UNLESS you buy directly from the rental company. For example, I know that Enterprise only sells about the top 5% of rental cars to the public, the rest go to auction. Only vehicles with a meticulous maintenance history and zero accident history are available to the public. Stay far away from any previous rental that is being sold from anywhere other than directly from the source.
One exception. Dad bought a 82' Dodge K car, in 1987 from Budget. had 67,000 miles on it. Lasted until 1994 when it had 240,000 miles. Transmission went out, and scrapped it.
When I rent a car, it becomes the fastest car I have ever driven.
I rented an Impala a few years ago, and I discovered the governor kicked in at 115 mph and since I was going downhill, I also discovered the engine SHUTS OFF at 120 mph! That scared me for a second...I thought something blew up or something, lol. Once the car slowed down to about 80, I was able to put it in neutral and get it started back up.
Sounds right, I had a Mustang in a Colorado. Worth it
Same could be said about repo’s. Someone who doesn’t make payments isn’t exactly worried about maintenance.
That's not a surefire statement. I've known several people who bought a car, keep it garaged, waxed and carefully maintained, only to fall on hard times.
What about people with lots of money? There time is worth more and they are less worried about the car blowing up since they can easily afford a new one, thus are more likely to skip maintenance.
Scotty just admitted to abusing rental cars😮🤫🤫🤫🤫🤫🤫
Everybody does. It’s not your car, who cares 🤷🏻♂️. I had a rented Nissan Sentra. I smoked in it, hit a trash can with it, had sex in it, accidentally peed on the steering wheel, then finally crashed it on the way to work. I’d never treat my own car like that.
@@dixonyamowthe6087 😂😂😂😂😂
@@dixonyamowthe6087 it all made sense up to the peeing on the steering wheel part. Was it windy or something?
NO! not everyone does!!! @@dixonyamowthe6087
Eti Zex lmao
In Aug2019 I bought a used 2018 Toyota Corolla with 46k miles for 14,500 from a used car dealership. I'm happy so far, looks and drives like new.
I was dumb enough to buy a 83 Buick Regal from a rental car company years ago. After about 2 years the oil light came on. A mechanic pulled the valve cover and it was caked with muck. Although I had changed the oil frequently, the rental company did not. I think we put 20w40 oil in it to keep the oil light off long enough to trade it in. Scotty is right on this one!
Idk. I kinda disagree. For one, the company is gonna get all the maintenance done regularly. That one owner on another car was probably owned by Christy who doesnt even know what a oil change is.
Also the miles are mostly highway miles, and in my experience, im extra careful in a rental car cuz i dont wanna end up having to pay money for damaging a car thats not mine.
Regular maintenance isn't always what it should be though. I used to service rental cars they only want the bare minimum. Whatever conventional oil and a store brand filter.
Buying a used car from car rental companies is fine. I've had two and neither have given me problems. I've gotten wonderful deals on both of them as well. Just get the car checked out.
Same here.. I did take the time to have the Car inspected by my mechanic before purchasing. I also got under it at the mechanic and inspected everything for any previous damage. The price I got was fair for what I got. So far 2 years in and no problems.
make sure the rod bolts havent been streatched out by my 7000 rpm shifts
It is a crap shoot. I bought a low mileage Optima for my wife which was a nightmare. It was one of the only cars I got rid of less than two years after buying. I will not buy another car from a rental company.
Scotty I just want to thank you for all the videos changed my life
I bought a 2013 Nissan maxima, 9000+ miles. 2 1/2 years ago 2017. For a little over $ 18,000. I have 100,000+ miles on it. Knock on wood, runs great and no issues
Eddie Jackson That's kind of crazy a rental that old with only 9k? Seems odd.
NM didn't think about "2.5 years ago". Still seems pretty low for a rental.
@@caddyguy5369 Hey! I was not going to look a gift horse in the mouth. Right place right time.
Eddie Jackson No doubt. Can't go wrong with that.
You can't really get away from them. Even if you buy from a dealer or road side it could still be a rental. I bought a Pontiac LeMans from Enterprise back in the early 1990s for my father in law. He ran it into the ground. Probably the best car he ever owned. Eventually the oil pump broke I think he said. Could be it didn't have enough oil. As always do your research. Take it out for a ride.
Robert Thomas so true. My wife’s Altima was a rental for the first 30K miles.
Bought a used 2016 Toyota Sequia, I went through the whole vehicle, top and bottom, over and under. Got a great deal, changed ALL fluids and filters, had mechanic go through it. Been a great vehicle so far, had 31,000 miles when I bought it. 🤞
Toyota, duh!
I’m debating buying my lease out which is a Toyota.
@@geebee6010 Depends on how you keep vehicles, till the wheels fall off or you like newer vehicles. The Sequoia is a truck that will last till the wheels fall off.
You are a smart buyer.
It’s a 2018 Rav 4
Yep, bought a two year old low mileage mustang from Enterprise my kid got rear ended insurance adjuster was doing the estimate and asked us when the car was last in a collision then started pointing out all the over spray in the trunk. It wasn't on Carfax and Enterprise didn't disclose it.
Sometimes cars have been in accidents but people don’t report it to their insurance because it’ll go up. So they fix them out of pocket. With no record of the accident the carfax won’t tell you anything about an accident.
I want a refund AND I want to keep the car. Dude could have wrecked them for more and they know it.
Not really, you have to prove damages, and he had none except for the value of the car being diminished.
WCGwkf he knows it too, considering he’s a rich lawyer that didn’t want to spend to much time on a petty case, he just kept it easy
I've bought 3 cars from Enterprise car sales. Never had an issue. One I drove for 13 years, the other two I still own And over 10 years old and other 9. Both are paid off. I felt I got great values on those cars.
Bought a 16 Ford Escape rental with 13k miles. I even treat it like a rental, but with proper maintenance. 95k miles with zero problems.
when looking at pricing a used car i'm looking to buy, i ask my insurance company how much they'd give me for a totaled out value for that vehicle and that is what i go by.
They won't fish themselves' SMART!! I will borrow this idea lol
Waste of time. Look at average prices for comparable cars in your area. That's the usual replacement price. Which company is going to answer that for 5 or 6 cars while you shop anyway?
my first car is a chevy impala 2015 lt limited for $13999 with 37k on the odometer from enterprise car sales and i got it 2 years ago and so far no big issued; no damage thank god just one alignment needed and i done so far lot of self maintenance. no issues so far i guess i was lucky and I still drive it to this day not any issues so far; even with 1 flush of coolant and transmission flush, brake change and just yearly filter change and oil change done myself.
Joe Luis - bought a 2014 LT Impala with about 11K on it. This was back in 2015 and purchased it for 19K. This car has been SO reliable. Currently have 124K on it and I’m sure it will go a long time from now.
Dixie Normous it’s been 3 years now. 87k now, sooo it’s still up and running
Well, it depends...
Grandpas last car was a rental - had it in the family for about 22 years.
Rock solid.
Is it a Toyota?
Bought a rental chev impala for cheap. It's been running for 8 years with 210,000kms (120k miles). Do a good inspection and you should be okay.
Older Impalas go forever. Just buy a car with a good track record with some factory warranty.
Based on all of Scotty's videos I'm going to stay locked up in my house, and only venture out to buy a used low maintenance moped.
Or a 94 toyota
It's an endless money pit!!!
I bought a rental car 2011 honda Accord 8 years ago only 40,000 miles and it's been the best car I bought from Enterprise and I would definitely buy another one .
That's because you got a Honda haha. Good choice! My friend had bought a 2015 Chevy Cruze LTZ ( big mistake) that was a previous rental and the dealership was like, "it had leather so it was executive package" and by 45,000 miles the motor is now running like a tractor. 😂 stick to your Honda or a Toyota!
@@owenp5730 oh man that's rough
I worked at a rental car company, and the employees drove them like madmen shuttling them back and forth across the city, and the customers returned them it terrible shape. The only maintenance that was done was cosmetic (wash and vacuum). When any real maintenance or repairs were needed it was sold off. Stay away from icar, that's where all the crap goes from car rental companies.
Many of the big rental conglomerates also sell their problematic vehicles to CarMax.
lusl1094 Most rental cars are service at new car dealerships,no independent mechanic shops they go through 5000 mile service,10000,15000 etc...anything that needs to be fix or replace are done, Where single owners avoid most of those appointments because they can get pretty expensive
Mr.Kilmer, In 1981 I bought a 1980 Pontiac Firebird Esprit with a V6. I never had any problems with that car. In fact that Firebird is still on the road.
Bought a Toyota Corolla for my son which was a previous rental. Got rid of it years later with well in excess of 100K miles. Only unscheduled repair was coils that had to be purchased at about 90K. Like Scotty said, some cars are hard to break...Corolla a good example of a previous rental that usually works out.
My 2019 Toyota Tacoma SR5 DCLB was an ex Enterprise Canada rental. It was only a year old and has 12k mi on it. Stickered new for 42K CDN. Picked it up for $34K. It was like new and got the balance of the warranty. Being a Toyota, I felt it was a pretty fair deal. Now if it had 40K on it or was a GM or Chrysler product I would have passed.....
...Unless it's a Toyota of course 😁👍🏻
Not necessarily. A coworkers daughter bought a Toyota Camry which was a rental car. The engine blew at 120K. He said that she will never buy a Toyota again. I thought that this wasn't fair as the car was likely abused. Definitely be careful when buying a rental car.
@@kevinkeeney6693 ohh wow thats too bad. Toyotas can usually handle quite a bit of abuse. But who knows what kind of maintenance they did
@@JonnyDIY Yeah and sometimes as Scotty indicates the mechanics are at fault. I once rented a Jetta that was running perfectly. After returning from grocery shopping, I found a puddle of oil in the front. I checked the oil and it was definitely low. The rental car company told me it recently was serviced at a local Firestone and gave me another rental. On that day, I also learned where not to take my personal car for maintenance as well. 😊
Buying a 'boring' family type ex-rental car might be O.K. Stay away from anything remotely exciting to drive.
Exciting is what you do with it, not necessarily the vehicle itself. You'd be amazed at what a Dodge Caravan is capable of when the driver just doesn't give a damn.
As someone that works at a rental place this is true. some cars are hit and miss but the nicer fast cars generally get beat on more than a optima, esp chargers and challengers.
@@gtasandman I can relate. We have to replace rear tires on ours about every 4 rentals. Gets old quick.
That actually makes sense. I'd imagine that those crazy drivers wouldn't be interested in driving a Corolla in the first place.
I bought a car from enterprise in 2006. It's still running to this day. 134k miles
RTS Replays U. R. Super lucky !
I drive more carefully when i'm driving a rental.
Details please, make & model, whether you had it checked by a pro-mechanic,...Did you?
@@MrPopo-bd1ix 2006 Ford Fusion SE. I didn't have it checked before purchasing.
3 cars from Enterprise. None with major issues and warranty was still in effect. 1 year bumper to bumper engine 100k. All lasted a decade or more still have 2.
Scotty I can't help how anyone drives a rental car, and I know it's only a sample size of ONE, but I bought a rental car at two years old, kept it 20 years, and had no signs of abuse nor any unusual problems (every eventual repair issue was typical of that make/model/age/miles). In my opinion, you have to treat each used car as its own unique specimen, look at what the (negotiated) price is, what the condition is, and have it checked out by a mechanic experienced with that model if it's worth more than a couple thousands dollars or if there are any concerns.
As far as cheaper made ( 4:50 ) I didn't notice that at all, though it was the base trim of that vehicle, had nothing luxurious on it but the base model of that particular vehicle had the same engine and tranny as any other trim (besides the sporty model that had a turbo I didn't want), and there were certain minimum features that even the base model had like tilt steering, power windows and locks, AM/FM radio, cruise control, ABS, and of course airbags.
Heck, these days I'd rather have base model without all the very expensive things that will eventually fail if you hold onto a vehicle as long as you and I do, except in some cases that can be more work, for example power windows are easy to find the buttons or motor for but go to a junkyard and try to find the spin lever or mechanism for manual windows on anything made in the last 30 years and you may be looking for a long time because so few vehicles had manual windows in recent years besides the very cheap domestic econoboxes that you may not want to keep driving enough to repair (lol).
Got a rental from Alamo, 75K miles on the car. Got it home and battery went out. Had to jump start it with my car to get it back to Alamo. Lot attendant told me off the record that at one time rental companies took cars out of rotation at 10k miles now they keep them much longer. Yes, and don't care about basic maintenance.
Strongly disagree. Hertz and Enterprise will throw extra warranty, return policy, etc and sell for less than retail.
The extended warranty is a scam.
@@K9River The 12 month, 12,000 mile warranty included at no extra charge with $0 deductible is no scam...
Got a 2016 nissan altima at hertz for 12k runs alright I guess
@@adrianvasquez1743 - Have Scotty or a reliable mechanic check it out with a scan tool to see if any system fault codes are present.
@@K9River The 12 month is not for sell, it comes standard!
I bought a 2012 Impala in 2013 for dirt cheap with 30k miles on it. I put 100k more miles on it and then gave it to my son. It still runs and drives good. The engine light only recently came on for the first time for a purge selenoid. An easy fix. Scotty is not always right.
James Last Scotty IS always right occasionally
Okay... so your anecdotal experience means buying a rental always works out great? Think the point of the story is, hey you take more risks buying a rental than buying a single owner used car. But sure your story means all rentals are good and you shouldn't be aware of the increased risks.
Had a buddy buy a rental car, Ford Fusion, transmission went out within 60 days
Transmission would have been covered for a year if he bought from Enterprise.
I can agree with the rental cars. We rented a current model mini-van in FL and the rubber lining on the windows weren't glued down. So when you roll-up the windows the rubber lining would pop off. Luckily we just kept the windows closed and used the AC.
More than half the time I don’t know what he’s talking about. For once I sat through a whole video and I learned a few things. I don’t know much about cars but to drive them and schedule oil changes. This is the reason I subscribed and force myself to watch these videos. Thanks Scotty!
I also used to work for two big rental companies and trust me they don’t do the oil change the way is suppose to, most of the time they reset the oil light just because they don’t have the time for an oil change and customers are waiting for a clean car and that’s it...there it goes another thousand miles away without a oil change.
If Chrysler knew what I did to their Sebrings i rented in the early 2000's I would be facing an indictment.
79 thump I have rented a Few of them along with the cousin Dodge stratus.
Your the one that caused chrysler to be bad lmao
Frank Denardo I learned a long time ago that those don’t off road well. The dealer was supposed to have my Jeep for 3 days, but it turned into 5 weeks. I very specifically told them that I go to the off-road park every week. I would take one week off, but after that, if I didn’t have my Jeep back, their car would be getting it. Let’s just say that the little Stratus didn’t like whoops at 60.
Lol
A little know fact is that many, many used cars on a dealer's lot are former rentals and program cars. I know this because I am in this racket.
...and rental companies seldom sells their rental fleet
I'm a part-time driver who delivers rental cars to the purchasing dealers. What I say is if you buy 50 cars, 5 will look like new, 5 will be rough, and the rest are somewhere in between; usually closer to new.
2012 Dodge Caravan bought in spring 2013 20,000 miles from Enterprise. Drivers side visor was kinda wore from everyone cramming rental agreement, needed tires & back brakes within a year. Been very dependable since recent front brakes 2nd set of tires100,000 miles low payment finally paid. I do wish I would’ve talked to new dealer . But satisfied with experience.
One thing Scotty forgot to mention that I found out about Enterprise: some of the cars they sell were not even rentals. I aw the fine print on one of their brochures that stated that the car may have been bought at an auction. This can go both ways: auction because it was damaged then repaired or it was reprocessed from one owner that may have taken good care of it. Also, I knew from before never to buy a sports car from a rental agency as those cars ARE beaten to death by renters. I have always taken care of cars that I rented.
Lots of the cars they sell weren't rentals. They buy crap from the "back lot" of dealerships. Scotty is only scratching the surface. They are self insured and are extremely cheap. Cheapest repair wins their work.
I make sure to throw the transmission into park while driving at highway speeds at least once before returning it
Any Chance of a Neutral Drop 🌋
Rogue Ranger lol
0:56-2:17 Wow!!! I never knew rental car companies have their own in-house insurance instead of using an insurance company like most consumers. All the time I thought buying from a rental car was good because they take good care of maintenance and most sell them before they reach 50,000 miles/80467.2km...
They do it because of the speed with which they can get their cars in for body work, not to hide past damage. They sell the public their best cars anyways. The beaters usually go to auction.
Ive purchased two vehicles form rental companies, no issues love them. Just try to get a good deal, inspect the car, ask for their own history record, try to get the less likely rentals like SUV’s , higher trims, and if you can get their powertrain insurance. They’ll always give you a good deal. I’ve used enterprise they are awesome!