I tried hitting GM by HEALBOTTING as Ana
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To anybody saying that it's not how Healbots play - I made proper adjustments later in the video.
He will never drop the Lucio U2GM
@@henrywinnenberg6053 or doomfist
@@henrywinnenberg6053 He already did it on stream a while back.
Honestly try and catch his streams, they're really good and the community is awesome, plus it's basically a free lesson from someone who knows what he's talking about, so if you're bored you might as well get something out of it lol
This was great. Now do Brig healbot 😂
Its a 2 hours vid, when is later? Boring watching you purposely not shoot at all, heal bots heal OVER damage, they don't purposely avoid shooting when there is nothing to heal. Also although you are 100% right about damaging over healing, I belive your attitude to the "challenge" also effects how you played.
This may be a healbot video, but what It really is, is a MASTERCLASS in positioning 😂
😂😂😂
Literally said in the vid positioning in a spot to only heal is bad
@@kieranmurray-b9kliterally said in the vid that he was also taking off angles on reflex to do damage. So still good positioning
I realised how positioning is MAD important because of Awkward! It's amazing.
@@yomama2376ye an literally walked away from them every time cos ppl that play like this cry n say well im not dying so how are we losing
You play healboting playstyle wrong. You need to spam bullets on your full hp tank so he can feel confident and kill everyone.
😂😂😂😂
I think he summed it up quite nicely by saying if you healbot, you are begging your team to carry you. If you want to rank up, you should be the carry
Most people don't understand that. I'll give everyone one or two opportunities by Nanoing or Pocketing them. If they waste it, I'm not wasting resources on them until they prove they can actually get something done, be it numbers or creating space or whatever. I'll usually focus on whoever is getting sh*t done, and they usually realize I'm being helpful and stand for me if people start talking shit about my numbers.
Still, DPS players always manage to complain about supports/tanks they're such a pain in the a**. -_-
@@fernandocordeiro8830they don’t know any better and that’s okay
Yes but mercy etc cant get that much kill
@@Monika_Dreemurr lots of supports depend on team input, which is disgusting at low ranks
@@fernandocordeiro8830the average DPS player has literally 0 thought other than “haha pew pew “
I had 3k damage in like 2.5 minutes as ana and like 900 healing and my team was like “Why arent you healing ana?” All I said was, we are winning and you’re not dying, correct?
- mid masters player
So real, if the game is being won why are they complaining, people have misconception that the role of SUPPORT means strictly healing. Even supports are capable of doing damage so why are they trying to restrict their capabilities to only healing
Play dps if you have such good aim we need better dps
people always bring up healing when I have the most damage and elims on zen in the whole lobby but my healing is low they are idiots
@@rileyp3707why play dps when i can have 3 healthbars and deal the same dmg if not more at the same time?
DPS being insecure about being out-damaged by supports is such a common thing in ranked lmao.
Types in chat: “Am I’m playing good?”. Reinhardt: “no, no, no, no , no ,no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no”
“see, no one complains” 😭
I've only watched the first game so far and this is painful to watch. All the free damage lost and all the downtime is so weird to see.
now imagine every quick play lobby
evil awkward be like: heal heal heal
Enemies go forward I go forward, main angle, heal heal heal, open space
@@TheJulesdu974 unironically what a lot of players do
Healing before the fight. Healing healing healing. Healing after the fight😂
😂😂😂
seeing you, one of the best anas in the world, struggle to win in plat/diamond only healing was a real eye opener. I knew healbotting was way worse, but I didn't realize JUST how much worse it was; I figured you would start struggling around masters/low gm, but not lower rank than me lol
@@hikarioverwatchtrigger inspire triggers inspire
Plat to diamond is where you need to start learning your carry potential
hes showing the extreme end of healbotting. usually healbot players just focus on healing with sub focus on dmg. hes showing a player who doesnt deal any damage even when theres opportunity to
this really show your amazing mastery of positioning. In your U2GM Ana you kill everyone too fast so I didn't realize how positioning can make such a difference between average players and a pro like you.
Like look at all the windows of opportunities you have your scope on the enemy
Look at all the chasing the enemy have to do to get you
Look at how you manage to just survive from your positioning. I can't even survive for 5 seconds with max focus !
My autopilot brain is making me hug payload in OT with 9 other players on cart
Your autopilot brain is making you keep a safe distance and kill/save everyone in OT, off angle, have aim on the enemy, using your cooldowns effectively.
This is just impressive
This is what kept me in metal ranks for almost 4 seasons. Even with amazing aim its very hard to climb consistently without great positioning. A player named YZNA really shows his godlike positioning by always positioning by natural cover as Phara.
It's the boring play style.
Would hate overwatch if I had to healbot all the time
Play dps or is dps too hard?
Lol if you only heals in yr games why do you play😊@@rileyp3707
@@rileyp3707 play better or is bronze too hard?
@@rileyp3707 I main DPS... lol
I couldn't bear to watch healbotting after 15 mins so I skipped to the end and he was jus shootin everybody!
People would rather lose on their own terms than win on someone else’s.
People's egos are astoundingly desperate.
I appreciate you suffering through playing heal bot to educate people.
Hahaha excellent ! For be more realistic, you musnnt off angling ! Healbotters are always behind their tank, they follow them to death; with a bad positionning. Good video it was painful to watch
After a year or so of watching Awkward, I’ve just hit Masters yesterday for the first time in support. Quite an achievement (I know it’s only a video game) for me as I was for long hard stuck in Gold.
Keep up the good work and content, and thank you!
pros and cons of damage mentality
pros: You climb
cons: Your team flames you almost every game because you have least healing and more damage than the 3 other supports combined
Awkward playstyle is like watching two girls one cup: Once you see it, you cannot unsee it.
Seeing myself on the enemy team in the game at 15:30 feels weird xD I was not expecting to see myself here at all lmao
I got flamed today because I was playing zen with 8k dps and 7k healing in 10 min while we had a dps at 0-13 i guess this is the support life
AS long as you were keeping heal orb at least out and moving it as needed they can't ask for more healing out of a Zen. Big chunk of his healing is his ult if used when alot of dmg is coming in.
I just love how in the first game, the Cassidy requests a Mercy because they can’t sustain damage on the Pharah when they literally had a slept one right next to them and they didn’t shoot at all. I started trying to focus more on damage as Ana and support in general and have been slowly climbing my way up.
I see why awkward does damage, because he can’t heal. He’s not good enough to healbot. What a noob.
It hurts to watch, but even worse, it hurts knowing I used to be this guy
HEAL HEAL HEAL
heal heal heal when they go back i go back
Literally my last game I had 6000 heals 5000 dmg and my ana had the same. The enemy kiri had 180 dmg and 11000 heals. Of course they lost and the kiri was crying in match chat saying "WHAT MORE CAN I DO". I simply replied, "Damage". 😂
Started taking your advice on prioritising damage on support and I've started winning a lot more games. Now whenever I switch back to healbotting to compare, our team immediately starts getting trounced and we get pushed back further and further from objective. People just don't realise how important damage is in deterring pushes. If your healthbar is getting lasered, no healer is going to heal you for enough to let you retake that position. You need to reposition and start doing damage when they occupy the space you gave up to them. People just don't understand that there are two currencies in this game. Damage, and positions. Those are the only two factors that affect how the game will end. When people throw positioning to the sharks and think they can just face tank everything and blame healers when the enemy team all get a free go on their fat head, games are lost.
Naww the instinctive flicks onto the enemies in the beginning is funny asf
13 minutes in and it's already THE MOST panful experience I've ever wittiness
Lucio unranked to gm? So far not a lot of people did that and I for example would be very interested in your approach to the character (I know damage, damage, damage but still).
I think its a balance. Usually my ratio is 30-50% damage and 50-70% heals. My aim isn't as good as yours to be killing as much, but offensive nades is where it is at.
Lower ranks, you're forced to heal because everyone has bad position and aim they take so much damage and dont die because enemies miss. In high ranks if u in a bad position u dead. No chance to even heal.
Healbotters are like the type of people in real life that relies on others instead of taking actions themselves
You just described every mercy player
Literally mercy’s kit and player base described in one sentence lmao.
This thread is full of menace and I like it 😂 I can't tell you how HILARIOUS it is to watch a Mercy mains brain melt over doing anything other than yellow beam full health players and sit on point all game. I had someone complain EVERYTIME about having to pull out her pistol to finish off a rein and then act like she was 1v1ing the tank. Like no, you don't wanna blue beam and just expect the enemy team to fall over while you stand there,and I got sick of having to turn around to protect her lazy ass so she had to start using her Barbie blaster AND beam juggle me whenever we would start losing team fights. like the fucked part is that this person embodies the delusional support player mentality and others just enable it cause they're just thirsty for a healslut😂😂
@@germanluque9756 if that was the case then how would some mercy's be ranked higher than you while others are in bronze? Cope
The main reason for which I decided to play a little more in your style (because let's face it I'm not on your level.. yet) Is because I feel that whenever I healbot, y can't heal my buddies enough to where they live. They usually take more damage than I can heal so taking the pressure from them by shooting my opponents is better.
It makes perfect sense. 5 people doing damage can never be outhealed by 2 people healing, hell, even a single hanzo or widow on the enemy team can't be outhealed at all for certain characters.
what does this say about lifeweaver
Could you get to GM on DPS while only shooting the tank
Bad cosplay, a true heal bot picks mercy at the beginning of the game. Holds left click on the tank the entire game and types team diff if they lose thinking they did nothing wrong.
Terrible Ana. You're ignoring the payload way too much! Because you are a long range healer, you have the ability to heal from a distance. This means you can push the payload and heal simultaniously. This is just math.
I do respect your attempts to learn the true way though. It was amazing to see you finally getting into doing your jumping jacks. Jumping makes sure you're hard to hit because now you're not just moving horizontally but also vertically.
The no scopes were also pleasing to see. You have great mechanics even if your positioning suck! Only the most mechanically adept Ana's can hit all their shots without scoping which is why you should never scope or else you will never learn. Your positioning however as mentioned really needs work. If you can see the enemy then you're too close, you only need to see teammates. Except during overtime, at which point you should bodyslam the objective and exhaust all your cooldowns immediatelly. Unless of course you recently used it to try to stop an enemy ult.
Last thing are your heal grenades. You're wasting them on subpar situations. Only use them when your teammate is half hp about to die and you won't have time to no scope. Else you might not have it when that happens or you yourself get low. Ana has no other self heal ability so you have to save it for dangerous genjis.
- Support Main, Quickplay Warrior
This is bait right?
My girlfriend doesn't pocket on Mercy. She, always says "I pocket everyone" (she does not). Love her to death no matter what though 😂❤
Well...to play devils advocate. Of the games I watched, you were mostly looking at the targets you COULD be damaging instead of actually healing. Lol. You still are proving a point but you made it so much harder than it actually is.
I also don't think any ana would land a sleep or a anti without following up with at least one shot. Just starting at the enemy and doing nothing is worse than bronze players.
I had a game earlier today where two enemy supports were flaming their dps for not killing our team. And the funny thing was they were both Lifeweaver and Mercy. And they BOTH had 0 dmg. It could be excusable for the Mercy maybe if she was dmg boosting but the LW had absolutely zero excuse. He definetly had time to spray some bullets in between heals but spent his time hiding behind a wall and typing to flame his team instead. Amazing to watch.
its legit always the lw players that have the mouth to flame when their hero requires zero mechanical skill... imo if youre playing mercy and lw, you should never open your mouth to flame your dps for not killing anything because the dps role automically requires 3 times the mechanics of the heroes theyre playing
@@symp_phony it's kinda fair for mercy but at the same time i still don't think they should flame their teammates at all.
@@sh4d0w-r0ss-8 But Mercy players should also understand that since their character requires very little mechanical skill, honestly very little game sense, and very little direct damaging capabilities that they really don’t have a right to complain to their teammates. They chose to play a character which can only enable their team and struggles to carry alone. They can either be quiet and keep playing their character which is fair, or they can swap to another hero who can carry. Complaining is just very sad.
@@Memo-yh4nc Ridiculous take. If mercy requires very little game sense and skill, then just play mercy all the time and get to grandmaster 1. There are mercy players that do this, so if it's easy then do it. Let's not forget mercy is the only character Awkward will never do a GM speedrun for, because he will need to change his play style too much to do well on her he won't be able to get good at her in one stream
@@Ulalamulala The reason people don’t just play her to GM is because she’s boring as shit. She’s also pretty reliant on other teammates instead of carrying by herself. If you suck at mechanics, just play her with a good dps/tank and you’ll get boosted to GM.
I think doing this on lifeweaver would work a little better bc his kit is kinda built around healbotting
Nobody plays like that tho. Who doesn't ever shoot an enemy and doesn't nade enemies. I've never been NOT shot at by an enemy ana. This is more of a challenge than making a point. Nobody plays this game way. Even a bronze ana will shoot at you
If you've never seen a 0dmg ana, you've not been in bronze
First lol nice work awkward I have one question when is genji u ranked to GM plz
Healbotting is a huge red flag
hmmm.... i stumbled upon your video, am agreeing with the "healbotting is throwing" ideology, hopped into a few games on a masters account, had triple digit dmg with 15k heals per 10, no sleeps, several times 0 (!!) healing prevented, nano only on tank in the most boring situations, all games won. makes me mad that it worked.
Awkward I never wanna see you take this challenge again... the 2nd hand suffering we all felt is outrageous.
For the rest of you healbotters out there:
Healbotting is only valid when all threats are consistently being handled by your team.
When they arent... its up to you:
damage damage damage.
When you start thinking, "i dont think i can kill x character" ask yourself:
Why NOT you?
I love your videos and they are educational. But nah, the focus healing isn't bad. Not optimal but isnt bad especially if u lower rank. What you doing is dumb because it's not that you don't do damage but rather you position yourself in places where you can heal safely and poke when your team isnt in danger. Ignoring the pharah when you can't shoot or heal anyone is dumb. If you want to convince someone make it believable. "The player base plays like this", try to get the same healing and damage stats as the average player not sit doing nothing. If your chance of surviving and getting a kill is high I.e sleeping a squishy, kill them. Your not playing like the supposed player base your criticizing about
Please do an unranked to GM on sigma I’d appreciate it so much ‼️
I get the point of this video but it's also kind of a bullshit version of the healing focused playstyle here...which is that you generally focus on healing, but you still do damage when no healing is needed, or people are taking duels with you, etc. I'm not a support main but a tank main, and yes of course I prefer when my Ana players are more damage focused, but I've never seen any Ana players even in Plat who aren't shooting enemies a lot and using nade offensively.
Also there's a big difference between playing heal focused and just playing badly on purpose which is basically what you did for the last bunch of games.
Just saying.
I ended up having 2000 damage / 10 minutes (without the damage game) which is what most players average.
the fact that everyone is detesting healbotting here proves that my region has a bunch of dumbasses
I've seen shxxs like 0 damage kiriko and bap
and 2 days ago I just had this ana blaming me for not being to kill pharah, after she says she will heal after I killed pharah (ofc I lost, they had barriers and heals to help the pharah, and I never got healed) and the tank won't ever push highground
dear god dps isn't supposed to 2v5 to win a fight
Do this with mercy too and turn off the dmg boost bind
Jokes on u all my gold mercy's do this
Like 90% of my dimound mercy's do this too😭
Man could you make a video where first round you only heal bot. Second round you play normal or only damage. Third round you choose heal bot or normal play based on what worked. What do you think?
People who heal bot, don't have a rule that they can't do damage ever, its not a thing. This is not demonstrating anything
As a heal bot in gold, you need to be up ur tanks butt and healing 1000k per 10 sec
Played as Moira yesterday and the other support was mad at me for not healing more. She only had 1k more heal than me. I had 27 kills (team high) and we won the game 🤷♂️
Yeah...this only works at your elo man that shit isnt happening in metal ranks.
Might as well play mercy
23:02 "Tank is alive, life is so good *widow snipes a teammate* can't do anything for that", I laughed so hard
Great video awkward! Your tips helped me get out of bronze on tracer for the first time! Thanks for all you do!
#awkwardisgod lol
"I can deal damage bc nobody needs healing" WDYM?? You're legally obliged to pocket the full hp tank
Unranked to gm genji next?
My brother came into my room the other day and was bragging about how he was playing with a GM ranked dude and that he out healed him by 20K and was telling me “you know what that means, I should be GM!” I just sat there quietly and sipped my “what about your damage numbers” tea.
Should have sent him awkwards channel.
Guessing it was qp?
@@DontBeBad nahh, only plays ranked
@@ScreamScreamer702 oh ok
@@DontBeBad To be fair though, qp actually does have skill based matchmaking to some extent, so he probably could be a 'decent' player if he's getting gms in his lobbies.
Thanks for all the videos I originally found you by watching your Ana unranked to GM. I joined at the start of overwatch 2. I’ve been using Zenyatta this season a lot! Managed to carry or at least be very helpful towards my teams victor. Which got me up to Masters 4 on support. I don’t really play tank or dps at all but they are still at mid plat.
I just need to go back over some of your unranked to GM videos to refresh some of the basic principles since I have noticed myself slipping into old habits.
I love how simply you describe how to play. Not focused on the tiny details but focused on the fundamentals. Mastery of the basics can get you pretty far in every aspect of life really. Even when I go to the gym I am focused on the basic principles to make progress. Actually going to enter my first bodybuilding competition in May. I might become a personal trainer too, hopefully I can learn not just from your overwatch advice but how you teach. So simple anyone can understand it.
Oh and if you taking suggestions for future unranked to GMs I would love to see one on Dva. The way she can fend of flankers from taking out the support, taking out dps who are pressuring your team too much etc seems she would be useful in many situations and be a good tank to master. Some of the abilities she has I don’t really know how to get the most out of them. As in when I should be using them and how.
Not sure if you’ll even read this but thanks for making your videos! Wish you well.
The reaper ulting the sombra he hallucinated 25:16
If you can’t climb as dps, switch to support and do dmg and start climbing
We gonna need a masterclass on you positioning for the next video
You were doing emotional damage with the death glare you gave the pharah
I think y'could've done "good" healbotting by following the reverse of your healing advice, instead of "damage damage damage unless teammate is going to die", "heal heal heal unless you're going to die or punish", more realistic way of healbotting that I could see being actually practical
This definitely felt like an extreme. The only time I see people with no damage is on mercy. This isn’t realistic and I haven’t seen even the lowest ranked players refusing to damage in a 1v1 or refusing to use purple on enemies and such.
The first few minutes were just an unscripted comedy skit
Muito bom que eu literalmrnte jogo assim de ana mas n é trolando eu só sou pessima com ela 😭
Ah yes, the little Andrew Tate of the community
its too painful to watch this 💀
Healing healing healing!!!1111
Overwatch the only fps where people get mad at you for playing properly
bro that first match is so infuriating knowing that enemy team would just get washed if you shot at them lolllll
Only if they’re a bad mercy main
This is a stupid video. I doubt there are any Ana’s besides bronze ones that don’t use their nades offensively or don’t shoot an enemy or is literally right in front of them.
You'd be surprised even in master there are some like this but hey I’m not complaining it’s way more fun as a master player
Hopefully this teaches plat chat a lesson that HEALING ONLY does not yield WINS, and that a mixture of damage, applying pressure and assisting your teammates in elims is what gets you to Top 500
I mean if anyone only heals they are an idiot even as mercy you dmg boost. There is always some downtime when you can dmg even if focusing more on heals.
I'd love to see Awkward play a different game competitively other than Overwatch. I could see him killing it in some fighting game or something
watching this game me anxiety LOL, my respects to you for getting through this challenge
Can I just say: the game that starts at 45:30 is just a perfect example of why Mauga is a shit hero in OW. I just teaches very bad fundamental skills and teaches the one that plays him to don't use cover and pump your damage into the enemy tank. The times Awkward isn't able to keep him alive is when he is interlocking into a pissing contest with the entire enemy team while LoS-ing his healers.
This is how people WANT you to play btw. I have been flamed incessantly for doing damage instead of saving cooldowns to save my DPS twiddling their thumbs waiting for healing rather than picking up a damn health pack. Sometimes I gotta mute folks for ts man and we stay winning 😂
So haply this finally came out i already can see whats gonna happen youll succeed but prove damage is better 😂
Nope wow heslbotting is that unoptimal 😊
Just now, an enemy phara had no mercy entire game. He only died twice. Meanwhile our dps are sombra and soldier. U tell me who they both blamed? The tank for not switching to dva. Like u need 2 ppl to counter a lone phara? So sad. The funniest thing is i switched to ana and easily killed that fly. This is why we as supports prefer to play chars like zen, kiri, moira and bap because then we can kill more (but get flamed the second we lost point 1)
you discovered a new playstyle here: healing from the off angle
8:55 The way to torture Awkward is by making hold his shots about damage, resist those and only try to carry as healing 😂. Thanks for the content my amigo always, I’m waiting for the next unranked to GM ❤
Can you do Torbjörn next
Got to masters by manly healing and staying alive and distracting a bit. Started damaging more and boom gm. Still bottom barrel of gm cause my mechanics suck. I dont get how people are still stuck on supports shouldnt be dealing dmg its stupid
Yesterday Awkward I was playing some Kiri and got into a game with this Bap player. I noticed after a few fights he had 0 damage, and at the end of the game he racked up a total of 275 damage ALL GAME. I let him know he had a gun and he said "if you wanna play dps then queue dps" lmfao.
In his profile, he had a TEN TO ONE healing to damage ratio, he's been stuck in low diamond for five seasons, and these are the players that make me so mad... I watched the replay and he spent the entire game healing his full hp teammates. He did not click left click for five minutes and twenty seven seconds. He windowed... to HEAL THE TANK... telling me to play dps when I just watched the most boring gameplay of my life lmfao
Just wanted to give an update, i solo queued with Brig. I went from diamond 5 to #456 in a little over a week. Thanks bro 👀
How does the winning playstyle apply to Mercy tho?
Damage boost anyone who is in los. And if you see an easy kill do it yourself
Healbot means you prioritize healing all damage that comes in, it doesn't mean you don't shoot things right in front of your face while nobody is taking damage lol.
Thats why lifeweaver mercy is a pain to play with , yes u sustain for a while but ultimatly u crumble because theres not enough pressure on they enemy team plus your damage isn’t as effective cause u only run with 3 potentionally people that do damage so if you don’t focus all on the same person u can’t get that kill of in time and they enemy team has easier job keeping everything a life
I just started watching your videos and wonder about something. I understand that doing damage as a support is important, but you also DO heal when you see that it's necessary and in many games still have a higher healing number at the end of the game than the damage you've done. So is this how it SHOULD be? I notice many supports how hyper-focus on healing and their damage is HUGE but their healing is low.. is that bad?
I do not have your aim but since I start practicing your 4 sets plan Im winning way more than before and enjoying playing support. If I can give an advice mute chat in low ranks, you will never ever get good advices from there.
You should do one but only damaging and no healing
reflex dmg : "I cant!!"
relfex nade in 2nd round : "I cant!"
"that pharah would be dead by now"
cass stall on nano and get barraged
"I want to dmg but so hard I cant"- like awkward hands are tied
I laughed so hard !!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 but painful. goodness. I think balance of dmg/heal is better than just heal bot unless 2nd healer is not able to keep up. The whole reason supp have dmg kit ,is to do dmg if not using it, is like playing only 50% of potential. But funny video tho hahaha
Man I think this is his shortest video where he played Ana he must have got to GM fast looks like it’s the optimal play
I'm trying to follow your advice but... I cant leave silver. I win 5 lost 1 the result is silver 5 85% to silver 4 17%... I win 5 lost 3 result silver 17% to silver 4 30%...
With my tank I also win 5 in raw 0 lost = silver 5 to silver 5 and i was also silver 5 before after winning 5 lost 1... I fucking dont understand this broken ranked
i really dont think these kind of healbots exist and even if this happens, its very rare. The only time i see these kinds of stats is in one of those impossible to win games where your team just presses W and keeps dying
They exist but it's really just at super low ranks. Most supports will do some dmg unless they are like a mercy but even then they dmg boost.
My question is how???? That’s diamond or master! In my gold lobby, when u first hit a flying plr they immediately target u. If i try to kill that phra id prob be death in 5 sec. They escape like rats and hunt u like pros. Just saying, me while shooting phra im invulnerable, someone is 100% trying to head shot me. Its a death wish im seying. And plus my teammates die, so. 😊
i noticed the times i had to heal the most as is when my team is taking damage for being in bad positions. In better games when the team dominates, my healing, and damage are about equal and my eliminations are roughly in the same range as the whole team.
I’m a newish player, I’m in silver and I belong there atm.
But I try and play aggressive as Ana and get dmg and hit some good cool downs. But am always to blame.
I still can’t climb, idk. The amount of people that stop playing because of heals is mind boggling.
Like bro… their dps is asleep beside you for a free kill quit whining