This is actually the rare example of someone with high game knowledge AND YET also have funny script writing occasionally, making for a top-tier channel.
Crazy how much different high level play is than ranked games. So much more IQ goes into cooldown trading and positioning, and it’s fascinating to see how deliberate key resources are poured into certain players to hold space and maintain cooldowns.
She is quite good right now. I was sleep deprived when writing the script so I feel as if I leaned a bit too far into Genji being better, but Mei is a viable and strong character at any rank.
@@RemedieX There's like 4 Mei players in T500 with hundreds of tracer/hitscan players for nearly the entire history of Overwatch, with nothing done about it. You'd think people would get tired of it...
@@Rara_owMei is a character that sees a lot more usage in coordinated play due to her abilities being more reliant on teamplay than other heroes. She’s pretty good, and she’s also way less popular than characters like tracer/genji.
@@soup3043 Never said she was bad, although even within coordinated play she will see struggles, it's just funny how quickly people complain about projectile heroes when they've almost always been subpar
This was really easy to follow. Thank you for breaking down some of the terms like "off-angle" and "wide swing" -- even though I've heard these terms before, it was still a good refresher, and it helped me make sure I wasn't interpreting the terms incorrectly.
Im sooo surprised no one is reacting to the amazing piano covers for Persona 5 music in the background. Extremely useful to focus without being too groovy like the original songs from Persona 5. AMAZING VIDEO idk your channel or anything, just TH-cam’s algorithm. I loved watching this video. Thanks for this interesting analysis and I’ll listen to your advices to get even better at Genji 😁🔥❤️
blade has never been a bad ult the only reason people say that is because the amount of stuff that gets put onto the genji to stop blade which is actually really good as either you win the fight with blade or force out a lot, its just most genjis don't realize that
bullshit again, do you even hear yourself? ' genji ult is not bad, it is good because there are many things that can stoop and they are being used against this ult and it is a good thing' yk what would make it a better ult? if there wasnt as many things to stop it, galaxy brain
All the dps ults are kind if shit tbh, for half the dps it just feels like another cooldown, for the other half it puts them at high risk of dying themselves. The exceptions to that are mei, ashe and ill also put widow in there. Dps ults have to be very opportunistic to get massive value, but if the opportunity comes up, you can 90 percent of the time win that fight without using ults. The dps ults that get the most value are the ones that you csn throw out and ignore whilst you continue to play your game… bob, blizzard, infra sight.
since my other comment got deleted, examine this logic. 'Genji ult is not bad, but there are two million things that stop it and they get used every time Genji uses an ult' You know would make a great ult? If it didn't have two million different things that stops it
I love the editing 💖 especially since with the adhd it's hard to keep concentrating, so it's nice that u make spotlight circles around things u are talking about. I'd would have liked it more if u talked a bit more slowly tho, and maybe with a bit longer pauses to separate thoughts.
Oh my goodness thank you for this comment!! I finished editing really late last night and messed up the exporting. I fixed it on youtubes side and it should reflect soon
Literally every genji knows it's possible to beat mei, it all comes down to accuracy and distance while baiting CDs, tbh if you are accurate enough u may even be able to kill Mei B4 she cryo
@@kenshimitsuX outside of this meta, mei counters genji. You realize that the mei can bait cooldowns and have accurate shots as well? Especially since her projectile is much more deadly than genji's. And im not talking about diamond or whatever low elo. Im talking about gm lobbies. In fact, the higher level you go, the harder she counters genji. I can get in masters lobbies and run circles around meis. Theyre just bad. It seems like you didnt watch the video if you actually think genji can reliably outplay a mei
It’s definitely a little bit about Korean teams being way better and more experienced with Genji than Mei. In EMEA and NA, the Mei performs a lot closer to Genji, looking at SSG and Fluffy Dreamland for example.
This is an amazingly good analysis video, but i dont think framing it as how genji counters mei really does it justice, it felt more like an analysis of great genji play and a reminder that at the highest level mei and genji (and their surrounding teams) arent going to interact in nearly the same way that a genji struggling hard against meis, its not as much about how he hard wins the 1v1, its the entirety of the mindset, approach, and team comp that made the difference rather than genji > mei
Yes, this much is true. The point of the video is moreso discussing how the tools of a characters kit can make them 1:1 better (or more effective if you prefer) in certain comps as compared to counters. At the top level, you can "counter" another hero pick if your character works well with the comp and you play it properly. Counterpicks just more or less make a characters game plan harder, and in this matchup Genji can do it as much to Mei as she can do it to him.
Don't forget off-angles, map and game type. Positioning is soooo important that it carries you even with subpar aim. Even if the competitive scene is played differently, so many tips in this video can be used in ranked. I loved every second of it. Coach got a new sub. 🫡
Thanks for the upload... great analysis!! Love your videos, I hope God gives you all the strength and wellbeing to continue doing what you love and what's right.. 🙏😇
@@coachwhistle264 It's just so nicely done for educational purposes. It's like a VOD review but not 40 minutes long which I really appreciate. I don't really know what else to say, just straight to the point!
Really good video, rare these days, but the thing with genji is that its kinda sad that hes only viable when other characters that really synergize with him are, and also his many annoying bugs make it worse, the hp changes didnt help much either when they nerfed his shurikens to the lowest it has ever been either, hes really only good when u have a really organized team around you, or as I said really good synergizing chracters, and thats the problem with that character itself
It's more of a matter of principle. I know that all of these players identify as he, but I don't know the same for all the teams I will be looking at in this channel, so I will be continuing to use they/them for everyone, that includes cis men, cis women, trans men, trans women, non-binary people, gender fluid people, etc.
Would be interested to know why genji is played over tracer. A few months ago it felt like any good genji map you'd just play tracer instead but I wonder what changed.
Tracer is more sustained pressure onto a backline, whereas Genji has less longevity of his engagement but more kill potential + he can play without setup for some fights. Since Juno brig is good against longevity, and good at enabling a hero like Genji, he eventually overtook tracer.
even at the absolute highest level of play metas are not always solved in soloq its a word of mouth thing and in pro play its usually teams just scrimming the comps they already practiced for months not wanting to change so quick nothing happened to make genji more meta really since junos release he has been good people just didnt pick him up and realize how strong he is right now until recently. most likely came together after people realized juno brig was good, you dont need the constant dive+survivability of tracer with this meta. its just way easier to kill juno brig backline with a genji too and juno ult makes him just invincible be able to 1 tap and blade is op in it. (juno ult is just broken in general) but patch released nerfing orisa juno so ana will most likely be picked more often over juno rn
I'm definitely considering it, purely depends on what the timescale is for putting them together. I'm just starting out, so some things take me longer than others. For instance, this video took about 15 hours of work total to produce. Once I figure things out better and have a more efficient process, shorts will hopefully come!
YIPPEEE :3 it just reinforces all ive thought in recent time with genji being better to execute brawl and to finish fights much faster. especially brawling w/ blade has been so good t-t mei still strong but genji just feels so good rn :3
while i agree it's true it's important to note that to pull this off, it relies heavily on your team. Genji does not beat every Mei or is "broken" (this is for those that didn't watch the whole video). Basc good team = opportunity to do well as genji.
Generally, you're not too far off. That's definitely what he wants to do in poke phase, but he also looks to take angles and contest backline in the midfight. Some things are only done because of the matchup and map and threats the other team can create.
The concept of counter picks is flawed as a whole and it is a shame it is still being used today. Regardless, you've said it yourself : Mei has better poke, Genji has better brawl. Yet Alphayi is attempting to meet the Genji head on every single fight, even though the map geometry could totally allow ZETA DIVISION to rotate away from the Genji and keeping him at bay through poke, taking better angles, eventually forcing cooldowns out and winning. There is no reason Alphayi should play such a static position and lose ice block while Crazy Raccoon takes the entire map. Of course none of this is easy to make work, and maybe the Genji is favored regardless, but I really do wish ZETA played differently.
I don't fully agree, tbh Genji has been pretty well balanced in OW2. He's had a place in dive comps with lucio kiriko, queen comps, spam comps with brig bap, and now this brawl comp. I would be hard pressed to find a meta where he wasn't at least mid tier.
Mei is easy to defeat with Genji but I think people get countered by the amount of possible cover and the ice block and wall which just wastes time I like playing against pharaoh or Meis in junker town, Genji has a lot of walls and cover making it fun
Genji can be great in brawl comps, though I'm not quite sure about Genji blade being better than blizzard for any other reason than fortify. Also, The main reason Genji is good is partially because of Brig, however, it is also because Genjis have become so good.
1. He is able to work more alone, particularly with my comments regarding walking up as well as blade, you can utilize these in many more situations than just this team comp. He's not as self sufficient as tracer, for example, but when played well he's pretty much viable at any rank and team comp I'd say. 2. Yep.
Genji has been sort of a hybrid for a long time, his best pairing in OW2 has historically been Queen and even Mauga to an extent, who also *kinda* fit that bill, very very fast unstoppable brawl engages, with Genji dealing with high grounds or dashing behind enemy team to create another angle on engage.
Pro players are really good at having uptime, and they typically only go in whenever the conditions are just right. This usually means slightly longer phases without kills coming out, leading to more poke happening. Add the uptime, more poke and overall better mechanics, and pro players build ults very quickly.
To say that would be to disregard how many parts of her kit make Genji's game plan harder, this video is designed to show how teamplay and smart decision making allows Genji to do the same to her
I dont get zeta going for the low ground here in the first place thier comp can fight for high ground effectivly and IMO the lower ground on Hanaoka C is just worse than the high ground,
In real, it's not that Mei isn't against Genji. Genji only showed experience to deal with her, if both Genji and Mei have the same level of experience and are placed to face each other in a clean space, Genji will take a beating from Mei. If it goes by the logic that the video brings, Genji wouldn't have any counters.
Don't you worry, she's plenty playable and a very strong pick nonetheless. I mentioned this in a different comment but I leaned into Mei's flaws a bit too hard. For example the EU grand finals of OWCS featured a team playing Mei 4-0'ing a team playing Genji.
team fight 1: this genji deflected over 3x without dashing. not 1 follow up nade from flora despite being in position. orisa pushing stairs on right why are we not walling it. genji comp didn't counter mei comp, they just played like shit out of confusion ? perma standing in LoS of high ground while entire enemy team is split and providing nothing but left clicks as aggression is pretty cool high level gameplay. team fight 2: they were only able to force that positioning because mei's cree was afk. orisa should've lost all his cds on that approach , followed by a wall and death while genji was also made afk by mei having to dash out while their orisa is dying.
There's a lot more things that go into this than you think, yes top players make mistakes that's for sure, but treating them like they're idiots is silly. If you think you can do better in this same lobby, by all means go tryout for Crazy Raccoons.
@@coachwhistle264 making a video about how genji is countering mei when its clearly player error centric by not being prepared/knowing what to do vs unexpected pick =/= a counter , is silly. i'm sure they'll know for next time.
Imagine being so out of touch with reality you think not dashing into 3 people with no follow-up is throwing, I would love to see your statline in this lobby
What are you doing? The Genji Main narrative is that he's terrible at every level against every character! How is Blizzard going to put him on levels of Broken similar to initial moth Mercy if he can be good at something???? I kid but I keep seeing Genji mains state things similary about how bad he is apparently
A pro player being great at Genji doesn’t negate the fact that genji overall performs terrible against other characters, specifically against ones that require the least amount of effort to get value off of.
I wouldn't say overall, this is a sentiment that still remains from OW1, but to be completely honest Genji has been pretty well balanced in OW2. He's had a place in dive comps with lucio kiriko, queen comps, spam comps with brig (and even zen) bap, and now this brawl comp. I would be hard pressed to find a meta where he wasn't at least mid tier.
As good of a player as Necros is, in comparison to the top pro players in each region, I'm unsure if they even rank in the top 10. They're a very good ranked player, and have performed quite well in several tournaments even at the T2 level, but I think the experience and game knowledge of many T1 players would outperform.
I call bullshit on this one as it relies on your other dps being able to pose a threat. In ranked people do whatever the fuck they want most of the times. Next
It's all on your abilities to recognize the situation. All I pointed out was how Heesang played around the situation created by Crazy Raccoons. If you can recognize situations in ranked and make the right decisions, you can do similar things.
@@coachwhistle264 I ended s9 as rank 120 on EU, in ranked teammates excluding pro players do not know what cohesion is and the situations you talk about come up maybe once every 50 games. Most of the time you are far better off just being greedy and search for kills, which is something Genji sucks at. There is a reason why poke is so oppressive right now. I can only imagine how bad it is in lower ranks where Orisa straight up walks into the whole team, spears you into the wall and kills you. Most coaches are doing VOD reviews at least for content, do you not notice this or what?
This is why I never understand why people pretend Genji is bad, like he has a good matchup against 90% of characters and almost no DPS can genuinely hard counter him like he can for so many characters.
Constantly using "they" and "their" to refer to a single person can be confusing, especially when all the players are known to be male. Using "they" for its ambiguity with respect to gender identity introduces ambiguity regarding singular versus plural. For example, if you say "walls them off," it can-and by default does-imply that multiple people are walled off, even though you are trying to convey that only one person is walled off. If your principle is to avoid possibly misgendering someone, I suggest writing scripts in a way that eliminates the use of pronouns altogether. This approach would allow you to uphold your principles without sacrificing clarity. Otherwise, the commentary is well narrated and well written.
This is actually the rare example of someone with high game knowledge AND YET also have funny script writing occasionally, making for a top-tier channel.
Really appreciate the compliment! Much more to come!
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Couldn't have phrased it any better. I second this statement :D
We got coach Ocie, coach Mills, and now coach Whistle .
The holy trinity has assembled🗣️
Don't forget about tommathan!
@@benniboi7231 he really ain't a coach if you think about it
yeah but he's one of the funniest ow creator
@@benniboi7231 hes the meme guy, peak commentary but dosent really go deep into analasis
Spilo over mills any day
4:46 😂😂😂 i respect the stutter, not everything is perfect. great vid!!!
"Heesang was able to pretty much kiss AlphaYi the entire team fight" god I fucking wish
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what u mean by that?
@@SamuelDinneny-k1o a poker face player also said heesang was cute lol
@@helloworld2723 which one !??
Crazy how much different high level play is than ranked games. So much more IQ goes into cooldown trading and positioning, and it’s fascinating to see how deliberate key resources are poured into certain players to hold space and maintain cooldowns.
It really is fascinating! Even as a coach who's seen different levels for years I get surprised by it sometimes.
Love your videos! Im a newer player so these are super helpful for me, I dig how you break it all down
I'm glad! Really hope it helps you improve!
This vid rlly opened my eyes to how situational everything about this game is. Great coaching 👍
great video❤️ with that 170 headshot damage i feel inspired to start playing mei now...
She is quite good right now. I was sleep deprived when writing the script so I feel as if I leaned a bit too far into Genji being better, but Mei is a viable and strong character at any rank.
She's been meta for a while now. Interestingly, not much has been done about it recently... You'd think people would be tired of Mei.
@@RemedieX There's like 4 Mei players in T500 with hundreds of tracer/hitscan players for nearly the entire history of Overwatch, with nothing done about it. You'd think people would get tired of it...
@@Rara_owMei is a character that sees a lot more usage in coordinated play due to her abilities being more reliant on teamplay than other heroes. She’s pretty good, and she’s also way less popular than characters like tracer/genji.
@@soup3043 Never said she was bad, although even within coordinated play she will see struggles, it's just funny how quickly people complain about projectile heroes when they've almost always been subpar
This was really easy to follow. Thank you for breaking down some of the terms like "off-angle" and "wide swing" -- even though I've heard these terms before, it was still a good refresher, and it helped me make sure I wasn't interpreting the terms incorrectly.
Oh my god it’s been so long since I’ve seen such high quality analysis videos like this, Coach Ocie + Spilo + you are now my top 3, love it keep it up
Dude I love your style! Please make more analysis!
Crazy amount of work put into this video man good job 🙌
Thank you! More to come and it'll be even better than this!
Im sooo surprised no one is reacting to the amazing piano covers for Persona 5 music in the background. Extremely useful to focus without being too groovy like the original songs from Persona 5.
AMAZING VIDEO idk your channel or anything, just TH-cam’s algorithm. I loved watching this video. Thanks for this interesting analysis and I’ll listen to your advices to get even better at Genji 😁🔥❤️
as a genji main this vid made me really happy to see and gave me some inspiration. thank you
Glad that there is another great addition to the "digestable 10ish minute breakdown of ow pro stuff for the layman" channel.
Where have you been all my life, great educational content
Really appreciate it, I'm planning on keeping it up!
blade has never been a bad ult the only reason people say that is because the amount of stuff that gets put onto the genji to stop blade which is actually really good as either you win the fight with blade or force out a lot, its just most genjis don't realize that
bullshit again, do you even hear yourself? ' genji ult is not bad, it is good because there are many things that can stoop and they are being used against this ult and it is a good thing' yk what would make it a better ult? if there wasnt as many things to stop it, galaxy brain
All the dps ults are kind if shit tbh, for half the dps it just feels like another cooldown, for the other half it puts them at high risk of dying themselves.
The exceptions to that are mei, ashe and ill also put widow in there.
Dps ults have to be very opportunistic to get massive value, but if the opportunity comes up, you can 90 percent of the time win that fight without using ults.
The dps ults that get the most value are the ones that you csn throw out and ignore whilst you continue to play your game… bob, blizzard, infra sight.
@@jamesmiddleton8335 bob is a great one now, with two passives and ability to build it while using it
since my other comment got deleted, examine this logic. 'Genji ult is not bad, but there are two million things that stop it and they get used every time Genji uses an ult' You know would make a great ult? If it didn't have two million different things that stops it
It's good technically but in the moment never FEELS good, many genji's know this we just hate how it feels.
So glad your first video wasnt a one off. Love your analysis cant wait to see more man!
More is absolutely on the way! Just gotta keep grinding away at it.
great video, please keep uploading!
one day, this channel is gonna be big
and im here to support it
Really appreciate the support! More to come soon.
I love the editing 💖 especially since with the adhd it's hard to keep concentrating, so it's nice that u make spotlight circles around things u are talking about. I'd would have liked it more if u talked a bit more slowly tho, and maybe with a bit longer pauses to separate thoughts.
virgin blizzard vs chad dragon blade - haha love it
Insane review, keep up with the good work
Your commentary is very educational. Was there supposed to be additional commentary after 12:07? Was confused why there's ~3 minutes of silence.
Oh my goodness thank you for this comment!! I finished editing really late last night and messed up the exporting. I fixed it on youtubes side and it should reflect soon
Literally every genji knows it's possible to beat mei, it all comes down to accuracy and distance while baiting CDs, tbh if you are accurate enough u may even be able to kill Mei B4 she cryo
same goes for any character honestly
did you not watch the video?
@AgentOrange502 no? /S
@@gawizard4980 agreed
@@kenshimitsuX outside of this meta, mei counters genji. You realize that the mei can bait cooldowns and have accurate shots as well? Especially since her projectile is much more deadly than genji's. And im not talking about diamond or whatever low elo. Im talking about gm lobbies. In fact, the higher level you go, the harder she counters genji. I can get in masters lobbies and run circles around meis. Theyre just bad. It seems like you didnt watch the video if you actually think genji can reliably outplay a mei
Yoooo the background song. At 9 minutes is PERSONA 5 😼. NICEEE and great video
Proper owns this fraud
It’s definitely a little bit about Korean teams being way better and more experienced with Genji than Mei. In EMEA and NA, the Mei performs a lot closer to Genji, looking at SSG and Fluffy Dreamland for example.
EDM Concert had me ded brother, great job on this gg
I respect the piano Beneath the mask makes this a calming leaening session
I personally loved the piano music too, it made the editing a lot easier of a process on me personally
This is an amazingly good analysis video, but i dont think framing it as how genji counters mei really does it justice, it felt more like an analysis of great genji play and a reminder that at the highest level mei and genji (and their surrounding teams) arent going to interact in nearly the same way that a genji struggling hard against meis, its not as much about how he hard wins the 1v1, its the entirety of the mindset, approach, and team comp that made the difference rather than genji > mei
Yes, this much is true. The point of the video is moreso discussing how the tools of a characters kit can make them 1:1 better (or more effective if you prefer) in certain comps as compared to counters. At the top level, you can "counter" another hero pick if your character works well with the comp and you play it properly. Counterpicks just more or less make a characters game plan harder, and in this matchup Genji can do it as much to Mei as she can do it to him.
Don't forget off-angles, map and game type. Positioning is soooo important that it carries you even with subpar aim. Even if the competitive scene is played differently, so many tips in this video can be used in ranked. I loved every second of it. Coach got a new sub. 🫡
I liked the vid. This meta is silly and arose from individual characters that weren't balanced well (Orisa/Juno).
Thanks for the upload... great analysis!! Love your videos, I hope God gives you all the strength and wellbeing to continue doing what you love and what's right.. 🙏😇
Really enjoy the analysis! I got a little lost with the use of they/them used for individuals AND the teams though😅
Yeah, this is something I am aiming to fix for the next video!
Best overwatch video I've seen
That's a really huge compliment, thank you so much!!
@@coachwhistle264 It's just so nicely done for educational purposes. It's like a VOD review but not 40 minutes long which I really appreciate. I don't really know what else to say, just straight to the point!
In short terms, just hit your shots.
now make a genji can counter symmetra
Omg COach Whistle : D
Really good video, rare these days, but the thing with genji is that its kinda sad that hes only viable when other characters that really synergize with him are, and also his many annoying bugs make it worse, the hp changes didnt help much either when they nerfed his shurikens to the lowest it has ever been either, hes really only good when u have a really organized team around you, or as I said really good synergizing chracters, and thats the problem with that character itself
That's can happen in extremely coordinated teams only, never in random.
cute video. one correction though. all of them are 'he'. I know 'they' is techinally correct but it's better to be precise. hope this helps.
It's more of a matter of principle. I know that all of these players identify as he, but I don't know the same for all the teams I will be looking at in this channel, so I will be continuing to use they/them for everyone, that includes cis men, cis women, trans men, trans women, non-binary people, gender fluid people, etc.
Really good video
2:49 LMAO YES THANK YOU I FEEL LIKE I'M THE ONLY ONE WHO COMPLAINS ABOUT MEI DOING 170
Would be interested to know why genji is played over tracer. A few months ago it felt like any good genji map you'd just play tracer instead but I wonder what changed.
Tracer is more sustained pressure onto a backline, whereas Genji has less longevity of his engagement but more kill potential + he can play without setup for some fights. Since Juno brig is good against longevity, and good at enabling a hero like Genji, he eventually overtook tracer.
even at the absolute highest level of play metas are not always solved in soloq its a word of mouth thing and in pro play its usually teams just scrimming the comps they already practiced for months not wanting to change so quick
nothing happened to make genji more meta really since junos release he has been good people just didnt pick him up and realize how strong he is right now until recently. most likely came together after people realized juno brig was good, you dont need the constant dive+survivability of tracer with this meta. its just way easier to kill juno brig backline with a genji too and juno ult makes him just invincible be able to 1 tap and blade is op in it. (juno ult is just broken in general)
but patch released nerfing orisa juno so ana will most likely be picked more often over juno rn
grant me rein meta or grant me big die
I hate rein please do not
@@coachwhistle264weapons grade oof take
@@coachwhistle264 how
Saw the title and thumbnail and thought you were talking about me…. Not watching. I’m gonna go talk to Dad (Coach Cuffy) instead
I hope u use more shorts like ocie
I'm definitely considering it, purely depends on what the timescale is for putting them together. I'm just starting out, so some things take me longer than others. For instance, this video took about 15 hours of work total to produce. Once I figure things out better and have a more efficient process, shorts will hopefully come!
The most impressive part is being able to hit left clicks on genji... idk why but i cant hit those to save my life lmao
YIPPEEE :3 it just reinforces all ive thought in recent time with genji being better to execute brawl and to finish fights much faster. especially brawling w/ blade has been so good t-t mei still strong but genji just feels so good rn :3
Glad it helped you!
5:05
'Heesang makes a very interesting dash'
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Heesangs dash is straight trash
while i agree it's true it's important to note that to pull this off, it relies heavily on your team. Genji does not beat every Mei or is "broken" (this is for those that didn't watch the whole video). Basc good team = opportunity to do well as genji.
I don’t get why they don’t wall off top on 1st fight then pressure genji
omg whistle goat
1:58 mei should counter by walling the sight line
dank analysis
Really appreciate the support! More to come soon.
My coach
Why does it end so suddenly lol
Because I was up till 4am editing and sleepy whistle CBA to make an outro. Hoping to have something like that next video.
here before 1k
This vid ated😋
So genji's job in this comp is to take aggro off orisa, control space that orisa cant be and follow up whenever she does push?
Generally, you're not too far off. That's definitely what he wants to do in poke phase, but he also looks to take angles and contest backline in the midfight. Some things are only done because of the matchup and map and threats the other team can create.
@ Cool, thank you! Looking forward to your next videos for sure
The concept of counter picks is flawed as a whole and it is a shame it is still being used today. Regardless, you've said it yourself : Mei has better poke, Genji has better brawl. Yet Alphayi is attempting to meet the Genji head on every single fight, even though the map geometry could totally allow ZETA DIVISION to rotate away from the Genji and keeping him at bay through poke, taking better angles, eventually forcing cooldowns out and winning. There is no reason Alphayi should play such a static position and lose ice block while Crazy Raccoon takes the entire map. Of course none of this is easy to make work, and maybe the Genji is favored regardless, but I really do wish ZETA played differently.
Bro it takes me 5 slashes and a dash to kill a mercy these days with blader how is Genji in the best place he's ever been in ow2?
only in this team comp everywhere else genjis shit
@@iloveferrets5859 fr, when I play him it makes the game 4v6, and Im not even that terrible
I don't fully agree, tbh Genji has been pretty well balanced in OW2. He's had a place in dive comps with lucio kiriko, queen comps, spam comps with brig bap, and now this brawl comp. I would be hard pressed to find a meta where he wasn't at least mid tier.
9:17 😂
Pronouncing Junbin correctly 🥲
I'm pretty sure I pronounced many names wrong and in multiple different ways, lingustics aren't my strongsuit unfortunately!
@ Oh no, you did Junbin right! I was thanking
ace attorney ost :3
if armor wasnt so strong, would reaper be the top pick over genji then?
I doubt that, reaper has wraith, which can more or less act as either deflect or dash, but only one of them. Tp isn't a good enough in or out tool.
So it’s not that Genji is better than Mei - it’s that with the team composition and with this specific positioning, Mei gets *outplayed* by Genji.
mei counters genji you are kidding it is hard to kill genji with mei even in overwatch 1
Mei is easy to defeat with Genji but I think people get countered by the amount of possible cover and the ice block and wall which just wastes time
I like playing against pharaoh or Meis in junker town, Genji has a lot of walls and cover making it fun
Could have just swapped to zarya.
Genji can be great in brawl comps, though I'm not quite sure about Genji blade being better than blizzard for any other reason than fortify. Also, The main reason Genji is good is partially because of Brig, however, it is also because Genjis have become so good.
1. So genji is good only if he has a team that is able to enable him or can we work more alone?
2. 9:15 Was that song Beneath the Mask? LOL
1. He is able to work more alone, particularly with my comments regarding walking up as well as blade, you can utilize these in many more situations than just this team comp. He's not as self sufficient as tracer, for example, but when played well he's pretty much viable at any rank and team comp I'd say.
2. Yep.
Dive heroes being best in brawl is wild
Genji has been sort of a hybrid for a long time, his best pairing in OW2 has historically been Queen and even Mauga to an extent, who also *kinda* fit that bill, very very fast unstoppable brawl engages, with Genji dealing with high grounds or dashing behind enemy team to create another angle on engage.
pro level matches are something else, do they even enjoy the game anymore?
5:42 How did he get dragon blade in one fight?
Pro players are really good at having uptime, and they typically only go in whenever the conditions are just right. This usually means slightly longer phases without kills coming out, leading to more poke happening. Add the uptime, more poke and overall better mechanics, and pro players build ults very quickly.
Mei never countered genji anywhere outside of silver
To say that would be to disregard how many parts of her kit make Genji's game plan harder, this video is designed to show how teamplay and smart decision making allows Genji to do the same to her
1:30 and wall climb but everyone gets the point
I dont get zeta going for the low ground here in the first place thier comp can fight for high ground effectivly and IMO the lower ground on Hanaoka C is just worse than the high ground,
9:33 💀💀💀
What about Symetra?
its so ironic that genji is good only because brig/juno is busted, cant wait for genji to get nerfed mid season because hes obviously the problem
In real, it's not that Mei isn't against Genji. Genji only showed experience to deal with her, if both Genji and Mei have the same level of experience and are placed to face each other in a clean space, Genji will take a beating from Mei. If it goes by the logic that the video brings, Genji wouldn't have any counters.
As a Mei OTP I am sad now D:
Don't you worry, she's plenty playable and a very strong pick nonetheless. I mentioned this in a different comment but I leaned into Mei's flaws a bit too hard. For example the EU grand finals of OWCS featured a team playing Mei 4-0'ing a team playing Genji.
team fight 1: this genji deflected over 3x without dashing. not 1 follow up nade from flora despite being in position. orisa pushing stairs on right why are we not walling it. genji comp didn't counter mei comp, they just played like shit out of confusion ? perma standing in LoS of high ground while entire enemy team is split and providing nothing but left clicks as aggression is pretty cool high level gameplay.
team fight 2: they were only able to force that positioning because mei's cree was afk. orisa should've lost all his cds on that approach , followed by a wall and death while genji was also made afk by mei having to dash out while their orisa is dying.
There's a lot more things that go into this than you think, yes top players make mistakes that's for sure, but treating them like they're idiots is silly. If you think you can do better in this same lobby, by all means go tryout for Crazy Raccoons.
@@coachwhistle264 making a video about how genji is countering mei when its clearly player error centric by not being prepared/knowing what to do vs unexpected pick =/= a counter , is silly. i'm sure they'll know for next time.
Imagine being so out of touch with reality you think not dashing into 3 people with no follow-up is throwing, I would love to see your statline in this lobby
@@sument6015 the fact u read this and thought i meant dash into the enemy, so much so you decided to leave a reply, speaks volumes
What are you doing? The Genji Main narrative is that he's terrible at every level against every character! How is Blizzard going to put him on levels of Broken similar to initial moth Mercy if he can be good at something????
I kid but I keep seeing Genji mains state things similary about how bad he is apparently
A pro player being great at Genji doesn’t negate the fact that genji overall performs terrible against other characters, specifically against ones that require the least amount of effort to get value off of.
He's popular to hate on, but I honestly think what makes ppl say so much about him specifically is some of the jank/inconsistency with his entire kit
I wouldn't say overall, this is a sentiment that still remains from OW1, but to be completely honest Genji has been pretty well balanced in OW2. He's had a place in dive comps with lucio kiriko, queen comps, spam comps with brig (and even zen) bap, and now this brawl comp. I would be hard pressed to find a meta where he wasn't at least mid tier.
@@Tundra2004 And theres the Genji main with their weird narrative lmao
Another reason to nerf genji
Best genji in the world?
Where is necros then?
As good of a player as Necros is, in comparison to the top pro players in each region, I'm unsure if they even rank in the top 10. They're a very good ranked player, and have performed quite well in several tournaments even at the T2 level, but I think the experience and game knowledge of many T1 players would outperform.
you speak like TierZoo :p
I appreciate the "neutral" pronouns for everyone
I call bullshit on this one as it relies on your other dps being able to pose a threat. In ranked people do whatever the fuck they want most of the times. Next
It's all on your abilities to recognize the situation. All I pointed out was how Heesang played around the situation created by Crazy Raccoons. If you can recognize situations in ranked and make the right decisions, you can do similar things.
@@coachwhistle264 I ended s9 as rank 120 on EU, in ranked teammates excluding pro players do not know what cohesion is and the situations you talk about come up maybe once every 50 games. Most of the time you are far better off just being greedy and search for kills, which is something Genji sucks at. There is a reason why poke is so oppressive right now. I can only imagine how bad it is in lower ranks where Orisa straight up walks into the whole team, spears you into the wall and kills you. Most coaches are doing VOD reviews at least for content, do you not notice this or what?
Symm counters genji
Genji can't counter mei. This is literally a skill dif.
a bit washed ...
Out of curiosity, what do you mean?
You use the 'they' pronoun for even an individual player and it is very confusing!!
This is why I never understand why people pretend Genji is bad, like he has a good matchup against 90% of characters and almost no DPS can genuinely hard counter him like he can for so many characters.
Why use the pronoun 'their', if we know the players are guys?
makes it impossible to watch this tbh
It's a matter of principle. Some things we know and some things we don't. I will be doing this for all future videos to avoid any possible confusion.
@@g0hma437 imagine getting triggered by pronouns
Constantly using "they" and "their" to refer to a single person can be confusing, especially when all the players are known to be male. Using "they" for its ambiguity with respect to gender identity introduces ambiguity regarding singular versus plural. For example, if you say "walls them off," it can-and by default does-imply that multiple people are walled off, even though you are trying to convey that only one person is walled off.
If your principle is to avoid possibly misgendering someone, I suggest writing scripts in a way that eliminates the use of pronouns altogether. This approach would allow you to uphold your principles without sacrificing clarity. Otherwise, the commentary is well narrated and well written.
@@ironman1458 not triggered, its just stupid lol