Just wanted to say that I genuinely appreciate the long form content guys. It's entertaining, informative and I don't feel like I'm being rushed or manipulated by dodgy editing. Thanks a bunch for the show
Hang on, long form?! This one only goes for 46 and a half minutes! Bring back the 1 hour + shows! ; ) I agree, I too like that there's a level of depth into the topic and it doesn't feel too rushed. It probably helps that the lads are pretty amusing and personable too!
Not only that, but they have done it every week for nearly a decade! Never gets old and never changes. They do what they want and don’t bow to the algorithm gods. Never change, guys!
David Gilmour playing "Marooned" is what made me bring a pitchshifter onto my ambient board. He used it so naturally, almost just as someone would use a slide. Also, I thought it was odd you didn't mention that the reason most people are putting Pitchforks and Ricochets on their board: mostly for detuning their guitars rather than lugging around ones tuned to D, Eb, baritone, etc.
Pitch Shifting shows up on a few U2 songs as well. The intro to “Even Better Than The Real Thing” makes use of a Digitech Whammy pedal . The bridge from “Beautiful Day” has a guitar in the mix shifting its pitch up over two octaves and back down at a fixed rate. “MoFo” has an effected guitar track that bursts into high pitch squeals at times before returning to normal. “You’re The Best Thing About Me” has the second part of the guitar solo played with a whammy pedal or an Octave pedal playing below the original signal.
I’ve been using the Bigsby for almost a year now and absolutely love it with my tele and archtop. I have a lot of high output analog pedals running into it and it copes beautifully. It actualy feels analog, because of the spring resistance, and it’s surprisingly versatile: chorus, vibrato, leslie like effects - you can even plug it into ankother decice and use it as an expression pedal. Brilliant design beautifully executed.
Morello’s full use of the whammy sweep is to add a little crazy to a crazy solo in a crazy song, while Gilmour’s use in Marooned is to add a reeling shimmering beauty, yet both approaches are the technically same.
This episode gave me an idea for a challenge: Mick had to build a board to sound like Dan using only analog gear - Dan has to create a board to sound like Mick using only digital
Love this show.ive been watching since like 20-30k subs. It's been a while since than. Think that was like 5 years ago.i don't think I've gotten much better really.but it always fascinates me that you both know so much,yet every single episode you guys are still somehow teaching each other new things. There's always a few "oh really...wow/fascinating!" Comments made from either of yous. Glad your still doing it. Wish you'd have another pedal made or start making your own pickups or something like that. That'd be killer. You two are guitar royalty
Even though I think it came out after Killing, Pantera's "Becoming" is the first time I remember hearing Whammy and wanting to know what it was and how to do it.
As a young man and big Radiohead fan in the mid to late nineties, I desperately wanted a whammy pedal. I ended up with the Digitech Xp100 Whammy/wah. So much fun.
Really educational episode. Also love to see Mick struggling with something, but still having the will to learn more about it. One band that combines two Whammy’s on one board are While She Sleeps. They are heavy but got really melodic and interessting lead sounds. You find a lot of small clips on Instagram by the guitarist Sean, that are amazingly creative.
Exactly what came to mind immediately. I was also about to say The Evil has Landed, but that’s some custom 10 string Echopark guitar monstrosity Josh is playing.
For the non Phish fans, Trey Anastasio uses a Whammy pedal a lot and in ways that it isn't often used by most guitarist. Pitch shifting into the note is heard all over the live solos. Very cool video!
I’m a huge phish fan, been to over 100 shows from 1997 up until today. It’s my least favorite thing Trey does. Hahaha, that and whale calls and the siren during First Tube a song I otherwise absolutely love.
@@smelltheglove2038 My main point is that people don't know how much he actually use it. I bet he's used the Whammy for soloing in more tracks than Tom Morello. Lol
I still can't stand them for some reason but I hear so much praise that I constantly leave some room for doubt. I heard captain beefheart way too early in my musical journey, fucked my taste buds up.
@@michaelfowler3187 i genuinely think it's an emperor's clothes situation man. i've given them so many tries and had people try to explain the appeal to me, i would like to like them, but it just sounds so bad to me. like a bunch of rich kids who've never actually heard music and just read a bunch of descriptions.
@@smelltheglove2038 When you uses the whammy and loops during jams, it sort of makes a lot of the jams sound more the same. Lol, i got pretty sick of that sound too.
I bought Tom Morello's masterclass a couple years solely because I wanted to know how he gets the sound from the intro to "Voice of the Voiceless" (same sound also heard in the guitar solo for Audioslave's Shadow on the Sun). Turns out all he's doing is playing one note and turning the interval knob back and forth on the whammy. Gave me a whole new appreciation for how useful pitch shifting stuff can be.
Oh, man. That was fabulous. Some amazing and creative sounds. I remember figuring out how to do the Gilmour version using my old ART midi board that controlled my rack fx. It was amazing fun. Oh, yeah: Edge uses to great effect as well - especially in the Pop & Popmart era. Loved it, fellas!
How timely! I just bought a Whammy (bass version), and I realized I don't know why I suddenly wanted one or what to do with it..... You guys are my (GAS) saviours! :-D
The Whammy DT is fantastic. Another good option is the Boss PS6 harmonist pedal where you connect an expression pedal. Then you can do a solo like Killer Queen where you have normal notes 42:45
24:29 shout out to Gamechanger Audio!!! Thanks Mr Mick Taylor for echoing my own feelings about Gamechanger; every single pedal (albeit only 4?) has been conceived from the ground up to be nothing like anything else. They’re the only pedal company I can think of that I’d happily have everything they do. Keep up the great content pedal friends!!❤
Been wanting this episode for a long time! Seems like pitch shifting hasn't advanced so much in recent years, would love a Chasebliss Automatone style state-of-the-art shifter...
Good news to hear that DigiTech is back. I have their old TimeBender delay which does some amazing things for a single unit. I'm surprised it wasn't more popular. Been wanting a Whammy pedal for years....thinkin' it's high time I get one! An expression pedal would work with the TimeBender, but then I'd lose the ability to use it in its other numerous functions. Great video guys...as always! I really appreciate all that you guys do. Thanks🙏
Great fun episode - thank you! The Digitech EX7 does many of the whammy functions but has a tone control for the pitch-shifted notes - makes a HUGE difference in sounding more natural (if that’s what you’re after!)
Scofield uses the whammy on the high settings to get a glitchy almost ring-mod thing, its very cool in that way. I love the glitchy-ness of early octavers opposed to using them for accurate harmony recreation. Something about how processed the signal becomes can be fun
I have absolutely no interest whatsoever in pitch shifting, but I still get an enormous amount of enjoyment from watching you two play around with it. ❤
This episode is like a mash up of everything I use/want. I play a semi-hollow gretsch complete with Bigsby in conjunction with a Whammy when doing Audioslave tunes. Also have a TC Sub N Up essentially as an organ generator for doing any sort of ambient stuff.
It's high time I share a wonderful discovery I made when playing with old gear- I found a fully functional whammy setting on my Digitech RP100 (and hopefully the others in that line if people still have this 2000's piece hiding somewhere:) all that's needed is an expression pedal and some menu diving! I was over the moon when I found this, and hope someone else can enjoy having an unknown whammy in their setup! D&M - Thank you for the fun content, as always!
YAY, WHAMMY TIME! If you put two shifters together, one set to something like a 7th and the other an octave, you're on 4 notes, and it starts to sound really thick. You can then play around with different intervals for some really crazy harmonies. Then go 75-%100% wet reverb and do volume swell with the volume knob, and you're basically getting synth chords from one note on your guitar. I got a Whammy 2 (the black one) fairly cheap nearly 20 years ago. I regret selling it now.
We have both the Digitech Whammy pitch shifting pedal & Drop tune pitch shifting pedal .Both the latest models bought new last year. Have to say both are amazing fun and we’re still learning what they can do.👌👍
I´m using the Whammy since the first LP from Rage against the machine came out. A couple of years later i used to listen to "Korn" and felt in love with the whammy again
Mick, you are absolutely the most unbelievably grumpy person in the world when you don’t like a pedal or a tone or a thing…. And we love you for it!!! So good! Keep it up! X
If you find the video Pete Thorn did with GuitarGuitar going through his rig for the Classic Rock Show he uses pitch shifting to do the end of War Pigs. It’s the two seconds in which I went wow I’d really like a pitch shift pedal (and Pete’s hands).
I love my whammy. It definitely requires subtlety to use viably nowadays (unless you want to be accused of being a Tom Morello wannabe), but it can add a tiny bit of colour used sparingly to create a weird moment in a song or used with a consistent sound almost like traditional modulation. My only problem with mine is that I have the v4 (had it since the early 2000's) and I don't want to upgrade, so I'm limited on PSU's because of the AC/AC power requirements. I have the Truetone CS12 OneSpot but the AC slot on that is toroidal and causes havoc with my wah being anywhere on the board. Price I pay for stubbornness. TPS - really appreciate you doing something that feels a bit leftfield to your usual preferences! Also love Mick's constant grimace at the soundscape!
Wonderfully fun episode, very highly entertaining. The Bigsby pedal is really intriguing! Also, much love and support for anyone with dyslexia, my wife and son in law both struggle to varying degrees, and it's shameful how little attention society pays to accommodating them, especially since they are generally quite brilliant in other areas. Don't let others get you down! 👍
Pitch shift pedals are very popular in the Japanese music scene. It's being used a lot and in very creative ways for texture and stuff. Also Royal Blood's entire sound is based on stuff like this, but just with a bass.
Thank you very much, that's intriguing! Can you mention a couple of bands and/or any online resources or magazines? I'm hopeful that today's translation software will help me understand what's written. Thank you in advance
@@Herfinnur One of my favourite Japanese musicians is called Enon Kawatani. He has three main bands he plays/sings in and he writes and produces music for a lot of other artists too. Very unique player and songwriter. He uses octave pedals a lot and in one of his bands (Indigo La End) he and the other guitar player uses a lot of octave and pitch shifter pedals in a lot of their songs. I suggest you check out Indigo La End and his other main band called "Gesu No Kiwami Otome". Indigo is more jindie style while Gesu is a hybrid of pop, funk and experimental styles. Really cool music, I highly recommend it. You can start with searching for this song "gesu no kiwami otome watashi igai watashi ja nai no" in youtube. Their four in the band all wearing pink coloured clothes. Pitch shitfting all over the guitar. Really cool song.
Thanks for the fun episode fellas! Also, with the new Mood MKII out, it would be awesome to get a Chase Bliss featured That Pedal Show. Much fun to be had with the Thermae, Blooper, Dark World, Habit, Generation Loss and Mood! :D
I stack my Boss CH-1 Super Chorus, with the detune of the Whammy, to get the ultra chorus sounds that I used to get from my old DOD FX-67. I get Alex Lifeson type of sounds, that way.
Never owned a whammy but love how many other great songs it’s appeared on like Muse-Newborn, Radiohead-Just & My Iron Lung, and not forgetting U2 even better than the real thing and hold me thrill me kiss me kill me. Thanks for the great video. Have a great weekend!!
With the Boss GP10 and the esaphonic pick-up the fun is that you can bend/detune individual strings, so for example you can do the B-bender thing, or imitate (if you are capable) the pedal steel...You can also get a 12 string sound, and choose instant tunings (quite weird if you play at low volumes, because you'll hear the acoustic sound is different from the amplified one...). With it, I imitate the Bigsby by setting the expression pedal at 1/2 tone below
Gentlemen, I love the show. At first I thought there would be some pitch detune. You brought up the Eventide H3000 and I got giddy. Have you covered pitch detune before? EVH of course and a lot of 80s session guys had that still chorus detune thing going. Anyway love the show, keep doing what you are doing 🙏
D&M - Fun video…I can see how these toys could be fun in the studio. Unfortunately, I would struggle in a live setting. Dan - your Tele through that amp configuration sounded epic! Mick - great interview on Dipped In Tone. Some really great insights….
I'm not and have never been a big chorus fan, but of the 3 or so I've ever used much, the detune mode on the Whammy is an all-timer. The chorus from a Memory Man, the Whammy detune, and the TC Stereo Chorus/Flanger have long been my go-to "modulation for people who don't like most modulation" devices.
Worth saying that Digitech took the Detune function from the Whammy and put that in a stand-alone pedal called the Luxe. I have one and it is my favourite modulation pedal.
I have an Earthquaker Pitch Bay, which is now discontinued. Unfortunately, it does not do the sweep thing. You can set an up interval and a down interval and mix them along with the root, and it has a distortion too. I usually have it set to up a 5th, down an octave, with the root mixed in, nothing too intense. It adds a great, synthy quality to solos. But I do wish it took an expression pedal for the sweeps! Nice episode, gentlemen!
Dan resampling doesn't actually create pitch shifting. Resampling takes a sample at one sample rate and changes it to another. Most of the time this is done with what is called upsampling. In that a rate of say 44.1Khz is then converted to 192Khz which in one way diminishes jitter errors. I think this thing is taking the raw signal determining the frequency and then applying that to the selected algorithm. The amount of processing would be crazy which is why there is latency. I started writing a digital pedal kind of info. It was so confusing that I stopped :) I think Mick is going to stick to the analog domain! Thanks guys always look forward to these, thanks Gordon
The comment about the real estate a whammy takes on a pedal board is a pain, but I have mine in a drawer in the amp rack and then run it via a midi foot controller. It changes the mode patches and does the expression pedal via midi too. And avoids the constant need to re calibrate my old pedal (it’s quite worn out) so I love it. I will be looking at the chorus possibilities. I hadn’t even thought about that. Cheers fellas.
Late to the party… but here are some thoughts: Adding a pitch up +7 or down -5 (50/50 blend of dry and fx) with a great clean tone gets you into Alan Holdsworth sounding territory. Up +4 gets you the clean parts of Metal Fatigue, where down -2 on a dirt tone gets you the lead sound. Going up +3 with a 50/50 blend on a dirty tone gets you some Robert Fripp tone from the “ProjeKts” era. Be sure and move it around for maximum dissonance. And lastly… Adrian Belles was a master of controlling the delay time to get odd pitch shifts - using an old Boss DC-10 (or maybe a DC-30) delay unit that had an input jack to control the delay time with a pedal. Listen to “Ballet For A Blue Whale” to here him on a GR-300 guitar synth and sweeping thru the delay time.
I love the serious episodes, with all the circuitry details, love them! But when a fun episode like this comes out I also love the "just try stuff" element of guitar playing comes out of you two! Is there any risk with lower pitch with guitar cabs/amps? When can pitch be too low for a 12" speaker to handle I wonder? Just a thought of using this frequently with an amp gigging a few times per week.
Just wondering if we were gonna get a video on Mick’s 1970 strat that he got from Aynsley Lister. Loved his appearance and can’t wait for him to come back
My boys bought me the new Whammy pedal for Christmas. On my list of pedals since age 15 Achtung Baby and RATM. Love it, although I find the pedal very sensitive in sweep. Subterranean Homesick Alien is a masterpiece of a song, the whammy makes it sublime. I still can’t fathom the exact settings!
On the new Black Honey album their guitarist, Chris makes great use of pitch shifting, it's all over those songs and sounds amazing, but for me personally I'm with Mick - Box of Rock is my favorite. As usual so much useful information on the pedals and more importantly how to use them. Even if D&M are covering something I would probably never use I tune in cause I will always learn something.
The big revelation for me here is that Mick has trouble with the latency even with gear where I can’t feel the latency at all. I’m not surprised that different people will feel latency different, but that the difference can be that extreme. If you guys revisit this topic someday, a couple of things I think are worth checking out are the Virtual Jeff-the elevator pitch would be a Whammy with a bar to attach to your guitar rather than a pedal…but I think there are more differences than that-and the way that Roland’s VG gear can pitch shift each string individually. The latter can not only be used as a more flexible way of imitating a B-bender than the whammy, but it can also open up “virtual retuning”, which is great for exploring alternate tunings while writing. (Best to actually retune for performance, but being able to nigh instantly retuning when experimenting is great.)
Interesting point Robert, and a very important reminder that context is everything. I’ve played single coils and very loud amps my entire life, well, since I was about 14 anyway… and I can feel that latency even in super posh expensive digital things that shall remain unnamed. The whammy is like old school recording latency to me! I’m sure I could attune to it and learn how to deal with it as you have…… but I don’t want to. That immediacy of response and pick attack is what I love second most about the electric guitar. The first is Volume! Cheers!
Loved this (as always)! Gamechanger is such an apt name. Thanks for featuring the Box of Rock! The SHO (left) side can be so helpful for just slightly boosting another pedal, making it come alive. Do you find that some pedals just need a little help to “speak” with a fuller voice?
I like the Double Rock Vexter, as it can be used as two Distortion, two Boosts or like the Box of Rock, with either boost before or after. It’s basically two box of rocks in one, with more options.
I bought a Whammy pedal when I got into Rage Against the Machine (as you said on here, like a lot of people). I then bought the Whammy DT with drop tuning and that is very useable. It depends what styles of music you're playing or into, so maybe not so much for your classic blues players, but for rock / alternative it's got some great sounds i.m.o. It's definitely a Marmite thing!! ... I forgot to say, I can tell Mick loves Marmite. 🙂
I haven't noticed much in the way of latency on the Bigsby Pedal in my usage. Really wish Dan could have lowered the depth a bit more, in the attempts to get the "bigsby" sound without over-doing the diving. That is the key to dialing it in. Check other videos, it really does a great job at capturing that vibe.
I’ve never warmed to pitch shifting. As Mick pointed out, the latency makes it feel odd to me. I had the Nano Pod, but I couldn’t get used to it. But great show none the less!
Some (maybe all?) of the old Digitech RP multi-effects units have Whammy built in, some have better processing than others. You might be able to find them used for a good price, but they take up quite a bit of floor space, some units more than others
Just wanted to say that I genuinely appreciate the long form content guys. It's entertaining, informative and I don't feel like I'm being rushed or manipulated by dodgy editing. Thanks a bunch for the show
Ditto!
Hang on, long form?! This one only goes for 46 and a half minutes! Bring back the 1 hour + shows! ; )
I agree, I too like that there's a level of depth into the topic and it doesn't feel too rushed. It probably helps that the lads are pretty amusing and personable too!
The long form content is great, crucially, it doesn’t feel like advertising! I hope it’s always that way 🤞🏼
Not only that, but they have done it every week for nearly a decade! Never gets old and never changes. They do what they want and don’t bow to the algorithm gods. Never change, guys!
I loathe “shorts”
David Gilmour playing "Marooned" is what made me bring a pitchshifter onto my ambient board. He used it so naturally, almost just as someone would use a slide.
Also, I thought it was odd you didn't mention that the reason most people are putting Pitchforks and Ricochets on their board: mostly for detuning their guitars rather than lugging around ones tuned to D, Eb, baritone, etc.
Dan - “come on, just give that a go”
Mick - “but, but, I don’t want to”
Proceeds to kick ass.
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Pitch Shifting shows up on a few U2 songs as well. The intro to “Even Better Than The Real Thing” makes use of a Digitech Whammy pedal . The bridge from “Beautiful Day” has a guitar in the mix shifting its pitch up over two octaves and back down at a fixed rate. “MoFo” has an effected guitar track that bursts into high pitch squeals at times before returning to normal. “You’re The Best Thing About Me” has the second part of the guitar solo played with a whammy pedal or an Octave pedal playing below the original signal.
Nothing else in his life has captured my one year old toddler’s attention as long as this episode. Thank you!!!
Letting my kids use a microphone into a whammy back when they were young was a lot of fun for them.
There’s something about the episodes where you can see Mick absolutely hates what’s going on, that really bring out a sincere belly laugh for me 😂
I've never seen Mick look so uninterested lol
I’ve been using the Bigsby for almost a year now and absolutely love it with my tele and archtop. I have a lot of high output analog pedals running into it and it copes beautifully. It actualy feels analog, because of the spring resistance, and it’s surprisingly versatile: chorus, vibrato, leslie like effects - you can even plug it into ankother decice and use it as an expression pedal. Brilliant design beautifully executed.
Morello’s full use of the whammy sweep is to add a little crazy to a crazy solo in a crazy song, while Gilmour’s use in Marooned is to add a reeling shimmering beauty, yet both approaches are the technically same.
This episode gave me an idea for a challenge: Mick had to build a board to sound like Dan using only analog gear - Dan has to create a board to sound like Mick using only digital
Harmonizers stacked with fuzzes sound otherworldy, like synth sounds. I love how this combination is used by Jack White.
Love this show.ive been watching since like 20-30k subs. It's been a while since than. Think that was like 5 years ago.i don't think I've gotten much better really.but it always fascinates me that you both know so much,yet every single episode you guys are still somehow teaching each other new things. There's always a few "oh really...wow/fascinating!" Comments made from either of yous. Glad your still doing it. Wish you'd have another pedal made or start making your own pickups or something like that. That'd be killer. You two are guitar royalty
Thank you guys for all the awesome content without any ads, you rule
Even though I think it came out after Killing, Pantera's "Becoming" is the first time I remember hearing Whammy and wanting to know what it was and how to do it.
As a young man and big Radiohead fan in the mid to late nineties, I desperately wanted a whammy pedal. I ended up with the Digitech Xp100 Whammy/wah. So much fun.
Really educational episode. Also love to see Mick struggling with something, but still having the will to learn more about it.
One band that combines two Whammy’s on one board are While She Sleeps. They are heavy but got really melodic and interessting lead sounds. You find a lot of small clips on Instagram by the guitarist Sean, that are amazingly creative.
The solo at the end of Queens of the Stoneage's "I Appear Missing' is great!
Exactly what came to mind immediately.
I was also about to say The Evil has Landed, but that’s some custom 10 string Echopark guitar monstrosity Josh is playing.
A few songs on the new album use it to great effect too, usually I think it sounds ugly but they made it work. As they tend to do.
For the non Phish fans, Trey Anastasio uses a Whammy pedal a lot and in ways that it isn't often used by most guitarist. Pitch shifting into the note is heard all over the live solos. Very cool video!
I’m a huge phish fan, been to over 100 shows from 1997 up until today. It’s my least favorite thing Trey does. Hahaha, that and whale calls and the siren during First Tube a song I otherwise absolutely love.
@@smelltheglove2038 My main point is that people don't know how much he actually use it. I bet he's used the Whammy for soloing in more tracks than Tom Morello. Lol
I still can't stand them for some reason but I hear so much praise that I constantly leave some room for doubt. I heard captain beefheart way too early in my musical journey, fucked my taste buds up.
@@michaelfowler3187 i genuinely think it's an emperor's clothes situation man. i've given them so many tries and had people try to explain the appeal to me, i would like to like them, but it just sounds so bad to me. like a bunch of rich kids who've never actually heard music and just read a bunch of descriptions.
@@smelltheglove2038 When you uses the whammy and loops during jams, it sort of makes a lot of the jams sound more the same. Lol, i got pretty sick of that sound too.
From the secret sauce in the tones of SRV to Fat Time & beyond, you guys have been hitting it out of the pedal park lately thank you!
& love the White Falcon trem-in-cheek
Another great episode. I love the Whammy & have a few. Dimebag Darrell was the Whammy guy for me, he used it to great effect.
I bought Tom Morello's masterclass a couple years solely because I wanted to know how he gets the sound from the intro to "Voice of the Voiceless" (same sound also heard in the guitar solo for Audioslave's Shadow on the Sun). Turns out all he's doing is playing one note and turning the interval knob back and forth on the whammy. Gave me a whole new appreciation for how useful pitch shifting stuff can be.
Seeing the Box of Rock made me happy. Haven't seen that pedal in a decade but it's still talked about in my circle of guitar friends.
Oh, man. That was fabulous. Some amazing and creative sounds. I remember figuring out how to do the Gilmour version using my old ART midi board that controlled my rack fx. It was amazing fun. Oh, yeah: Edge uses to great effect as well - especially in the Pop & Popmart era. Loved it, fellas!
How timely! I just bought a Whammy (bass version), and I realized I don't know why I suddenly wanted one or what to do with it..... You guys are my (GAS) saviours! :-D
The Whammy DT is fantastic. Another good option is the Boss PS6 harmonist pedal where you connect an expression pedal. Then you can do a solo like Killer Queen where you have normal notes 42:45
24:29 shout out to Gamechanger Audio!!! Thanks Mr Mick Taylor for echoing my own feelings about Gamechanger; every single pedal (albeit only 4?) has been conceived from the ground up to be nothing like anything else. They’re the only pedal company I can think of that I’d happily have everything they do. Keep up the great content pedal friends!!❤
Been wanting this episode for a long time!
Seems like pitch shifting hasn't advanced so much in recent years, would love a Chasebliss Automatone style state-of-the-art shifter...
Let it be - loud. I’ve got to put one of these in my living room now, thanks Andy.
Have you guys tried the pitchfork? Does everything the whammy does and more i think (except midi) and is tiny. I love the sound of it.
Good news to hear that DigiTech is back. I have their old TimeBender delay which does some amazing things for a single unit. I'm surprised it wasn't more popular. Been wanting a Whammy pedal for years....thinkin' it's high time I get one! An expression pedal would work with the TimeBender, but then I'd lose the ability to use it in its other numerous functions. Great video guys...as always! I really appreciate all that you guys do. Thanks🙏
I love that delay. Replaced my Nemesis!
Great fun episode - thank you! The Digitech EX7 does many of the whammy functions but has a tone control for the pitch-shifted notes - makes a HUGE difference in sounding more natural (if that’s what you’re after!)
Scofield uses the whammy on the high settings to get a glitchy almost ring-mod thing, its very cool in that way. I love the glitchy-ness of early octavers opposed to using them for accurate harmony recreation. Something about how processed the signal becomes can be fun
I have absolutely no interest whatsoever in pitch shifting, but I still get an enormous amount of enjoyment from watching you two play around with it. ❤
This episode is like a mash up of everything I use/want. I play a semi-hollow gretsch complete with Bigsby in conjunction with a Whammy when doing Audioslave tunes. Also have a TC Sub N Up essentially as an organ generator for doing any sort of ambient stuff.
"thank's for tom" and then claps! hahahahahaha! made my night!
It's high time I share a wonderful discovery I made when playing with old gear- I found a fully functional whammy setting on my Digitech RP100 (and hopefully the others in that line if people still have this 2000's piece hiding somewhere:) all that's needed is an expression pedal and some menu diving!
I was over the moon when I found this, and hope someone else can enjoy having an unknown whammy in their setup!
D&M - Thank you for the fun content, as always!
Instant like, I've been using these pedals to great effect for years, thanks!
YAY, WHAMMY TIME!
If you put two shifters together, one set to something like a 7th and the other an octave, you're on 4 notes, and it starts to sound really thick. You can then play around with different intervals for some really crazy harmonies.
Then go 75-%100% wet reverb and do volume swell with the volume knob, and you're basically getting synth chords from one note on your guitar.
I got a Whammy 2 (the black one) fairly cheap nearly 20 years ago. I regret selling it now.
We have both the Digitech Whammy pitch shifting pedal & Drop tune pitch shifting pedal .Both the latest models bought new last year. Have to say both are amazing fun and we’re still learning what they can do.👌👍
I´m using the Whammy since the first LP from Rage against the machine came out. A couple of years later i used to listen to "Korn" and felt in love with the whammy again
Hey Mick - Dan owes you one! Idea for next show: "Ways to torture Dan" hehe
Mick, you are absolutely the most unbelievably grumpy person in the world when you don’t like a pedal or a tone or a thing…. And we love you for it!!! So good! Keep it up! X
Ha! Thanks Bill. Yeah, it really does sound like ass to me. Hahaha!
If you find the video Pete Thorn did with GuitarGuitar going through his rig for the Classic Rock Show he uses pitch shifting to do the end of War Pigs. It’s the two seconds in which I went wow I’d really like a pitch shift pedal (and Pete’s hands).
Base line Kings Of Leon Closer is a grest Whammy sound.
Great show !
I love my whammy. It definitely requires subtlety to use viably nowadays (unless you want to be accused of being a Tom Morello wannabe), but it can add a tiny bit of colour used sparingly to create a weird moment in a song or used with a consistent sound almost like traditional modulation. My only problem with mine is that I have the v4 (had it since the early 2000's) and I don't want to upgrade, so I'm limited on PSU's because of the AC/AC power requirements. I have the Truetone CS12 OneSpot but the AC slot on that is toroidal and causes havoc with my wah being anywhere on the board. Price I pay for stubbornness. TPS - really appreciate you doing something that feels a bit leftfield to your usual preferences! Also love Mick's constant grimace at the soundscape!
Wonderfully fun episode, very highly entertaining.
The Bigsby pedal is really intriguing!
Also, much love and support for anyone with dyslexia, my wife and son in law both struggle to varying degrees, and it's shameful how little attention society pays to accommodating them, especially since they are generally quite brilliant in other areas. Don't let others get you down! 👍
Pitch shift pedals are very popular in the Japanese music scene. It's being used a lot and in very creative ways for texture and stuff.
Also Royal Blood's entire sound is based on stuff like this, but just with a bass.
Thank you very much, that's intriguing! Can you mention a couple of bands and/or any online resources or magazines? I'm hopeful that today's translation software will help me understand what's written.
Thank you in advance
@@Herfinnur One of my favourite Japanese musicians is called Enon Kawatani. He has three main bands he plays/sings in and he writes and produces music for a lot of other artists too. Very unique player and songwriter.
He uses octave pedals a lot and in one of his bands (Indigo La End) he and the other guitar player uses a lot of octave and pitch shifter pedals in a lot of their songs. I suggest you check out Indigo La End and his other main band called "Gesu No Kiwami Otome". Indigo is more jindie style while Gesu is a hybrid of pop, funk and experimental styles. Really cool music, I highly recommend it.
You can start with searching for this song "gesu no kiwami otome watashi igai watashi ja nai no" in youtube. Their four in the band all wearing pink coloured clothes. Pitch shitfting all over the guitar. Really cool song.
Thanks for the fun episode fellas! Also, with the new Mood MKII out, it would be awesome to get a Chase Bliss featured That Pedal Show. Much fun to be had with the Thermae, Blooper, Dark World, Habit, Generation Loss and Mood! :D
Wow, never even considered mine could be used as a chorus! Thankyou oh wise TPS, great show as always.
I stack my Boss CH-1 Super Chorus, with the detune of the Whammy, to get the ultra chorus sounds that I used to get from my old DOD FX-67. I get Alex Lifeson type of sounds, that way.
Never owned a whammy but love how many other great songs it’s appeared on like Muse-Newborn, Radiohead-Just & My Iron Lung, and not forgetting U2 even better than the real thing and hold me thrill me kiss me kill me. Thanks for the great video. Have a great weekend!!
The double pitch shifting delays is a GREAT idea!
With the Boss GP10 and the esaphonic pick-up the fun is that you can bend/detune individual strings, so for example you can do the B-bender thing, or imitate (if you are capable) the pedal steel...You can also get a 12 string sound, and choose instant tunings (quite weird if you play at low volumes, because you'll hear the acoustic sound is different from the amplified one...). With it, I imitate the Bigsby by setting the expression pedal at 1/2 tone below
What a Dan Riff!! ULTRA SUPER COOL! AMAZING! LOVELY!
Gentlemen, I love the show. At first I thought there would be some pitch detune. You brought up the Eventide H3000 and I got giddy. Have you covered pitch detune before? EVH of course and a lot of 80s session guys had that still chorus detune thing going. Anyway love the show, keep doing what you are doing 🙏
D&M - Fun video…I can see how these toys could be fun in the studio. Unfortunately, I would struggle in a live setting.
Dan - your Tele through that amp configuration sounded epic!
Mick - great interview on Dipped In Tone. Some really great insights….
Mick with the hilarious burn at 16:25 hahaha. What a classic.
10 seconds in and I love that Dan has a baseball hat for the full Tom Morello vibes
I ignored the whammy for a decade plus. But just had to get one after hearing Gilmour use it in Division Bell. So good!
I'm not and have never been a big chorus fan, but of the 3 or so I've ever used much, the detune mode on the Whammy is an all-timer. The chorus from a Memory Man, the Whammy detune, and the TC Stereo Chorus/Flanger have long been my go-to "modulation for people who don't like most modulation" devices.
Worth saying that Digitech took the Detune function from the Whammy and put that in a stand-alone pedal called the Luxe. I have one and it is my favourite modulation pedal.
@@peterstorey5397 Hey, cool, didn't know that! Thanks for the heads-up. If it can do both versions of the detune, I need to look into it.
@@corpse-in-orbit It's a one trick pony. But what it does is great. There are plenty of demos of the Luxe. I'm surprised that Dan didn't mention it.
Thanks for the great episode gents! I learned a great deal. Not my kind of thing but the knowledge gained is sincerely appreciated. Cheers!
One of those (rare) episodes where Mick looks like the bloke at the company Christmas party trapped talking to the boss's slightly dotty wife :-))
Been waiting on this one for a long time. Thank you!
Dan, that telecaster is the sound mate! Truly beautiful! 😁👍
I have an Earthquaker Pitch Bay, which is now discontinued. Unfortunately, it does not do the sweep thing. You can set an up interval and a down interval and mix them along with the root, and it has a distortion too. I usually have it set to up a 5th, down an octave, with the root mixed in, nothing too intense. It adds a great, synthy quality to solos. But I do wish it took an expression pedal for the sweeps! Nice episode, gentlemen!
You guys got me mentally through lockdown
Dan resampling doesn't actually create pitch shifting. Resampling takes a sample at one sample rate and changes it to another. Most of the time this is done with what is called upsampling. In that a rate of say 44.1Khz is then converted to 192Khz which in one way diminishes jitter errors. I think this thing is taking the raw signal determining the frequency and then applying that to the selected algorithm. The amount of processing would be crazy which is why there is latency.
I started writing a digital pedal kind of info. It was so confusing that I stopped :)
I think Mick is going to stick to the analog domain!
Thanks guys always look forward to these, thanks Gordon
I was really expecting the begining to "kickstart my heart"
The comment about the real estate a whammy takes on a pedal board is a pain, but I have mine in a drawer in the amp rack and then run it via a midi foot controller. It changes the mode patches and does the expression pedal via midi too.
And avoids the constant need to re calibrate my old pedal (it’s quite worn out) so I love it.
I will be looking at the chorus possibilities. I hadn’t even thought about that. Cheers fellas.
I said "oh no" out loud when I saw the theme for this vid. There goes my money again. Bless you!
Love the show great fun in your demos guys😊
"Mick here. That's not very Blues Dad, Dan" 😂👏👏
Late to the party… but here are some thoughts:
Adding a pitch up +7 or down -5 (50/50 blend of dry and fx) with a great clean tone gets you into Alan Holdsworth sounding territory. Up +4 gets you the clean parts of Metal Fatigue, where down -2 on a dirt tone gets you the lead sound.
Going up +3 with a 50/50 blend on a dirty tone gets you some Robert Fripp tone from the “ProjeKts” era. Be sure and move it around for maximum dissonance.
And lastly… Adrian Belles was a master of controlling the delay time to get odd pitch shifts - using an old Boss DC-10 (or maybe a DC-30) delay unit that had an input jack to control the delay time with a pedal. Listen to “Ballet For A Blue Whale” to here him on a GR-300 guitar synth and sweeping thru the delay time.
You guys are awesome! How would I get the Portishead GloryBox sound like Adrian Utley?
The smile on my face during that intro!
I actually had fun with an old one back around 2005 ish for about eight minutes. Oh well. Cool video, as always!
I love the serious episodes, with all the circuitry details, love them! But when a fun episode like this comes out I also love the "just try stuff" element of guitar playing comes out of you two!
Is there any risk with lower pitch with guitar cabs/amps? When can pitch be too low for a 12" speaker to handle I wonder? Just a thought of using this frequently with an amp gigging a few times per week.
Also, Dan going all guns blazing into the Morello solo is absolutely crackin!!
Speaking of playing with pitch and glitches, I would love to see you experiment with the Chase Bliss Audio Habit
Just wondering if we were gonna get a video on Mick’s 1970 strat that he got from Aynsley Lister. Loved his appearance and can’t wait for him to come back
I told the story in the Three New Strats for Mick video a while back. Could revisit I guess!
I'm dyslexic and cannot believe I have not yet heard that joke. Good one, mate!
My boys bought me the new Whammy pedal for Christmas. On my list of pedals since age 15 Achtung Baby and RATM. Love it, although I find the pedal very sensitive in sweep. Subterranean Homesick Alien is a masterpiece of a song, the whammy makes it sublime. I still can’t fathom the exact settings!
On the new Black Honey album their guitarist, Chris makes great use of pitch shifting, it's all over those songs and sounds amazing, but for me personally I'm with Mick - Box of Rock is my favorite. As usual so much useful information on the pedals and more importantly how to use them. Even if D&M are covering something I would probably never use I tune in cause I will always learn something.
Great video! Thanks for your work guys, it is much appreciated.
Id LOVE a spring loaded pitch shifter. A model with software updates would be interesting as they may create more efficient code.
The big revelation for me here is that Mick has trouble with the latency even with gear where I can’t feel the latency at all. I’m not surprised that different people will feel latency different, but that the difference can be that extreme. If you guys revisit this topic someday, a couple of things I think are worth checking out are the Virtual Jeff-the elevator pitch would be a Whammy with a bar to attach to your guitar rather than a pedal…but I think there are more differences than that-and the way that Roland’s VG gear can pitch shift each string individually. The latter can not only be used as a more flexible way of imitating a B-bender than the whammy, but it can also open up “virtual retuning”, which is great for exploring alternate tunings while writing. (Best to actually retune for performance, but being able to nigh instantly retuning when experimenting is great.)
Interesting point Robert, and a very important reminder that context is everything. I’ve played single coils and very loud amps my entire life, well, since I was about 14 anyway… and I can feel that latency even in super posh expensive digital things that shall remain unnamed. The whammy is like old school recording latency to me! I’m sure I could attune to it and learn how to deal with it as you have…… but I don’t want to. That immediacy of response and pick attack is what I love second most about the electric guitar. The first is Volume! Cheers!
Zack de la Taylor and Daniel Morello - Loving it!
Loved this (as always)! Gamechanger is such an apt name. Thanks for featuring the Box of Rock! The SHO (left) side can be so helpful for just slightly boosting another pedal, making it come alive. Do you find that some pedals just need a little help to “speak” with a fuller voice?
I like the Double Rock Vexter, as it can be used as two Distortion, two Boosts or like the Box of Rock, with either boost before or after.
It’s basically two box of rocks in one, with more options.
I bought a Whammy pedal when I got into Rage Against the Machine (as you said on here, like a lot of people). I then bought the Whammy DT with drop tuning and that is very useable. It depends what styles of music you're playing or into, so maybe not so much for your classic blues players, but for rock / alternative it's got some great sounds i.m.o. It's definitely a Marmite thing!! ... I forgot to say, I can tell Mick loves Marmite. 🙂
Mick, you were killing it on the H9 👍
I want all of them the all on sounds were glorious!
I haven't noticed much in the way of latency on the Bigsby Pedal in my usage. Really wish Dan could have lowered the depth a bit more, in the attempts to get the "bigsby" sound without over-doing the diving. That is the key to dialing it in. Check other videos, it really does a great job at capturing that vibe.
Micks face says it all... "Why am I here Dan? This is so not for me and, honestly, its rubbish!" 🤣
The Scofield Band record (or at least one of them) with Avi Bortnick that has loads of Whammy on is called Uberjam.
I’ve never warmed to pitch shifting. As Mick pointed out, the latency makes it feel odd to me. I had the Nano Pod, but I couldn’t get used to it. But great show none the less!
Thanks guys! I was going to buy a Whammy pedal this weekend, now the seller want's $20,000 for it. :)
Hahaahhaha!
On The Division Bell album, David Gilmour uses the Whammy to great subtle effect on some of his solos especially on the instrumental Marooned.
Once saw this used for about 3 notes in a riff during a jazz/blues solo, was used so tastefully used I went out and bought one the next week
i only use 5th for everything and it so mind blowing, i recommend, also -2nd gives you that vibrato shoegazing type
You know things are getting real when dans strapped up
Whilst watching, my new hat and enamel mug from TPS showed up, and the sun came out. What a day!!
Thank you kindly for buying stuff!
@@ThatPedalShow just wait until I move closer! (Germany)
man that tele sounds incredible
It’s a pretty crazy guitar
Some (maybe all?) of the old Digitech RP multi-effects units have Whammy built in, some have better processing than others. You might be able to find them used for a good price, but they take up quite a bit of floor space, some units more than others