8 hours/8 cores? The GPD Win Max 2023 Handheld PC (w/Oculink!)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 27 ธ.ค. 2023
- I spent my own money on this and the g1! Am I a crazy person?! This is really innovative!
Want a tiny laptop to travel around with? Want to play video games on the go, but you're pc master race? Well then you might be interested in this mini laptop from GPD!
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Wendell rocking a ‘utility belt’ all through school is the meta we didn’t know we needed.
The lore!!!
But does it have bat-shark repellent?
The lore we could have guessed
Hey Wendell, thank you for taking the time to chat with me at O'Hare this morning! You're such an amazing guy and meeting you was a great joy! I'm such a big fan of yours and I watch your TH-cam content every day! Thanks for showing me your GPD Win Max 2 briefly. This thing is pretty awesome! I'll look into grabbing one for my trips. Cheers! 😊👍🏻
An old friend of mine rocked a utility belt as an professional slot-tech and general electrical engineer. Utility belts are the sign of one who gets things DONE. Thank-you Wendell for being one of those people.
I have the GPD too. For me Nvidia GPUs work with the error script fixer, AMD GPUs work, although some behave oddly with connection speed, ARC is not detected. Note that the GPD Win Max 2 external connector is limited to PCIe 3.0 due to some firmware issue that causes those lanes behaving unstable at 4.0 with CPU boosting (you can force it to 4.0 but it disables CPU boost). The 2230 SSD lanes can be also used and those can work at 4.0 with CPU boost:D On Linux Nvidia does not work (only the open source nouveau which hangs quite often), Arc is not detected, AMD does work.
The new GPD Win Mini is completely bonkers, stuffing the same 7840u CPU with 64gb ram and 2TB in a laptop that's not much larger than a cellphone. I got mine a few weeks ago and have been loving it!
Oculink Bros!!🎉
No way I found you here too lol
Very entertained despite no interest in subject. Popped up in feed. Excellent presentation style. Pacing and delivery spot on. Bravo Sir! Best Regards and Best Wishes!
I had a "Side bag" so I can agree. Mine was mostly for my medication though, but I did store my pens, pencil, protractors, rules and calculator as well as my schools day, activity and information planner in it.
You're looking good buddy. Definitely can tell you've lost some weight and been exercising!
Im fascinated by the small form factor devices, but hardware integration is one of the areas many vendors struggl. Even with custom solutions in Windows (see handheld gaming devices not from Valve) and Linux often (it is getting better) struggled with power and device specifics.
Im really excited to see this journey. I think that the Legion Go with a folding keyboard (ProtoArc) would be my sweet spot, butni havent seen a lot of talk about linux on it.
Hi Wendell! I've got the 6800u version and I've really been enjoying it.
Was waiting for a review . Wendell you're looking slim. Keep up the amazing work. 👍👍👍
I'm gonna need a L1T utility belt now 😁maybe with a batman-style "W" for "Wendell" emblem 😎.
Looking forward to your updates on customizing the experience on the GPD Win Max (2023)! I've always thought palmtop-style devices were neat but definitely could use improvements to make them handier for everyday use. Instant (or at least faster) wake would be a big usability improvement.
Wow just wow. Staggering. Thanks
Thanks for the overview Wendell! I have a GPD Win 2 from 2018 - I really should think about a decent dedicated use for that for 2024!
If you have the GPD Win 2, the new GPD Win Mini is truly amazing, mine arrived about three weeks ago, same processor as the Win Max 2023, and up to a 64GB RAM... because you can, of course.
I have two Win 2s, first one stopped working (battery and charging issues) and so I bought a one off eBay I liked it so much, and it turned out to be the newer m3-8100y rather than the m3-7y30, and empirically it certainly performed better. But the Win Mini is a whole new ball game.
@@nezbrun872That's great to hear that the new units are up to snuff - I'm working on expanding my HomeLab and am thinking of repurposing my original Win 2 for some kind of mini-server for non-essential tasks. I have better handheld retros with more modern horsepower so I'll keep mulling it over.
My best experience was with my Psion series 5 . 2 AA batteries for 2 or 3 weeks, a great OS, very responsive and a great keyboard for it's size . I was very sad after it's third broken touch screen cable .
Amazing mini-laptop no doubt !
I love it when my predictions come true. This kind of thing is what I have been looking forward to. Modular is the future
More laptops should include this port.
Laptops with ports?! Unheard of.
Actually Lenovo is working on laptop devices with this port! Hopefully we see even more soon. Would love to see something like a ROG Ally or Legion Go with an Oculink port
Laptops could just do with a couple more ports regardless.
Or we get a TB5 to Oculink adaptor :)
@@smashed_penguin Particularly funny when you consider the 10.1" Win Max 2 has OCulink, HDMI 2.1, USB-C 3.2, USB-C 4 40Gbps, two USB-A 3.2, SD, microSD, and a 3.5mm jack, along with a fingerprint reader (integrated into the power button).
1 m (~3+ feet) Oculink cable GPD Win Max 2 RX 7900 XTX in use here, Gen4 all the time, wrapped the cable in a layer of aluminium foil and spiral cable wrap.
PCI-passthrough to KVM/qemu working okay, but unfortunately my Sapphire Nitro+ RX 7900 XTX has the reset issue.
lol, that s kind of funny xd
I had a GPD Win Max until recently, and I really liked it - it was my "do everything" machine.
I've since replaced it with a GPD Win Mini and a Framework 13 AMD, both of which I'm also loving. The framework is a little bit better for coding on and general PC use, meanwhile the Win Mini fits in my pocket and runs Cyberpunk 2077!
But, if I had to use just one device, I'd go back to the GPD Win Max.
I was on the fence about these GPD machines; I pulled the trigger right after your appearance on Gamers Nexus earlier this week - if Wendell says the keyboard is productive, it sure as hell is going to be fine for me.
The keyboard is great. The only niggle is the spacebar, which requires that you hit it within the centre third of the bar for reliable actuation. If you hit it on the edges, especially when lacking any gusto, it's likely not to register. I adjusted pretty quickly though and can now type without issue. The rest of the keys are fantastic, and the spacebar is fine once you learn the positioning to hit it reliably.
@@nickthaskaterthe only WHAT
@@RamdozaCh nig·gle
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@@goosewoman thank you good sir
I have a Win Max 2r 64gb. It's my absolute work horse. I compute small point clouds at school, game at home
I'm so disappointed Intel Meteor Lake doesn't come with Thunderbolt 5 integrated. I really love the GPD Win Mini, Win Max and Win 4. We have to wait a little longer for Thunderbolt 5.
Lenovo Thinkbook 14+ 2024 will feature an Oculink port.
I have the Pocket 3 with the KVM module which is fantastic for how portable it is.
Thank you for the review. Would you be able to do a long term review of this? Wondering if should purchase one for my daily driver.
I sported a fanny pack in HS as well. Held my Walkman and couple of tapes, whatever Star Trek novel I was reading that day, batteries, pens, gum keys and the little notebook I wrote stuff down in. And floppies, because it was that long ago.
"It looks so small in his hands"
Yup, I know that feeling...
For what it's worth Wendell I had all kinds of issues with the fingerprint reader on Windows as well until I found the tip to register your finger/thumb multiple times as different fingers (ideally different parts of it too) - the fingerprint reader just struggles to capture the same part of your digit each time due to the swipe you need to do, so if you give it multiple versions to work with it has a better chance of matching. As far as I can tell it also insists on swiping downwards, which is kind of awkward on a table given the location but doable when handheld
It fucking sucks
Also find that tapping rather than swiping across the sensor when setting up fingerprints registers more accurately
@@FS-zt6tm this is the real trick. I guess Windows just hasn't updated their instructions since the days of the old "roller" fingerprint sensors. If you just tap repeatedly the same way you would actually tap when trying to use the sensor, it registers the print perfectly and it will work pretty much without issue. My Win Max 2 registers my fingerprint every time now after doing it this way, whereas it didn't work at all when following the "swipe" instructions.
I use the GPD WinMax 2 (7840u/64GB/6TB) as my main machine for both work and personal use. When at home, I dock it with the G1 using the 80W BIOS. Performance has been great for all of the games that I play at 1080p/60. It's really hard to beat the WM2 for portability. Performance and battery life are incredible for the size. I have large hands, so the size of the device for handheld gaming is no problem and I find it more comfortable than smaller devices like the Switch. If you're a fan of performance/watt and portability, the GPD WM2 is definitely worth a look. I had the LTE module in my last WM2 and wasn't happy with the performance, so I didn't get it with the 7840u model. Mobile hotspot is working well.
I'm getting Palmtop vibes with this 'mini laptop.'
This is really cool, and if I had a need for it, I'd definitely get it.
Can't wait for the GPD Pocket 4 variant, using the Pocket 3 with KVM module it has been indispensable.
I quite like the Pocket 3 but I don't use it as much as I expected. The keyboard layout isn't anywhere near as good as the Win Max series and it doesn't really fit in any pockets except for those in a coat, and even then not all coats. I wish they'd come out with some other modules for it.
True, the KVM is handy sometimes, but it's HDMI, not VGA, so it's of limited use on a server farm. The supporting software is pretty basic too. So typically I go old school and get out the crash cart.
It's truly amazing tech though, the i7 1195G7 was the step change these UMPCs needed.
I want to send gpd an hp 100lx and say here. Clone this key board. This is what you want.
I suppose building the PSU into the gfx card is one way around 12VHPWR connector problems: no issues with IEC connectors!
Ooh, when you called out the HP 200lx at the end I jumped up and went looking for mine. Could you imagine if a pc today ran off of a few 18650's the way that thing ran off of AA's?
I've got a 95 lx, a 100 lx, and a 200 LX. Somewhere on the web there is a demonstration of a guy rewiring a 100lx to run off a raspberry pi 0. If only I had his soldering skills I'd try it, because the hp is still the best mobile keyboard and form factor.
I have a GPD G1 and the use case is to travel in my bag along with my zenbook flip when I am away, using Thunderbolt. It works really well, much better than an Nvidia eGPU.
I did test it against an RTX3070 in a Razor Core X eGPU box and the 7600M XT was just shy of it performance wise.
Yes Thunderbolt is a bottleneck but you can still play most games.
We just need AMD to get FSR3 into games, then we should see an even better experiance.
'fannypack' - still funny for us Brits
Do you have any videos why clustering is good, and what you can do with it in a home lab? I understand clustering, spread the load you know. But what load? What can you actually do with it that makes sense at home? I'd love to learn! @Level1Techs
i really like that device. wow pcie 4.0 x4 external! 😀yeh intel should of had it in the Z790 refresh, im shure they could of put it in their, and enabled it later.
A well made video, as always Wendell make his videos interesting to watch. Could anyone please recommend a short well shielded oculink cable, the oculink with my Win max 2 2022 and GPD G1 does not work very well, and Wendell said he had to use a shorter oculink cable to make his work as well. Even if my oculink connection create havoc, the USB4 and GPD G1 works very well with both my USB4 laptops. Not sure of the Win max 2 2023 but on my WM2 2022 the USB4 port is your rigth hand USB-C connector facing the keyboard so Wendell seems to be using the wrong USB-C port trying to get USB4 connectivity while also using oculink cable even if the USB4 connection is not used for transfer of egpu data.
On the subject of mini pc, hoping for review on nvidia jetson agx orin running ubuntu
is there some kind of shielding tape? im shure their is.
It's nice that powerful handheld x86 laptops are making comeback, I still sometimes use my 90s Toshiba Libretto 100CT.
What else can one do with OCuLink? Is there any chance for a high-bandwidth point-to-point network connection by hooking up two hosts by OCuLink?
Very very interesting.
A very nice video Wendell, and through the camera work and cuts it is even more personal 👌🏻These CPUs are also "AI capable" or so AMD says. It would be interesting to see how it performs for model training and inference with a local LLM, CPU based only and then with the external GPU. Now I'm rambling... Great job again
Unfortunate that the 4G module option is limited to poor performance units. I like that laptop a lot and having 4G onboard would simplify some equipment work I do. Wonder if dual wifi modules could be run instead(one for connecting to a phone hotspot, one for connecting to a device wifi).
I have 4g in my work laptop and it's handy. It can take a while to connect at times though.
Okay I think we all deserve to see the utility belt
Interesting laptop. I stil much prefer my Lenovo x1 nano gen 1. Runs Ubuntu well. Running arch on it now. Really love it, more than my old MacBook (that also ran Linux)
The Nano is ok, but the Intel chips it uses run way too hot and it throttles horribly. It also lacks virtually any ports, unlike the Win Max 2, which has IO to spare. It runs Linux well, too. Oh, and the Nano is a lot bigger.
What’s the best handheld for triple A games and emulation. With good portability
There are a few chinese mini pc manufacturers that just announced devices with oculink ports this week!
I have a 7840HS on a gaming laptop which also features a 4060. The cpu is, I shit you not, destroys my 5800X3D in every benchmark, they have fucking avx 512 on that little thing too. You might say damn that's a good 55W cpu. Well it's an APU as AMD calls it, it has the best iGPU to date, the 780m. There are two hardware AV1 encoders on that laptop. AMD really killed intel this time. I mean there isn't anything Intel is better at than AMD right now, except for heating performance.
Wait, "Alt + F5"?! Secret advance debug menu??? Wow...
That's a lot of capability in a really small form factor, so tempting to get one, even at $2k for the high end package.
They went on sale on Droix during Black Friday for a great price. I got my 7840U/32GB/2GB version for $1,600 CAD.
Yeah GPD's little clamshell computers have been tempting me for a long time for that reason. Though I think this is the first model that is really making my wallet nervous, AMD's little APU are completely bonkers and PCIe is just so useful.
respect for ordering from a site where their hero banner uses comic sans
or is that just a font not being on Wendell's machine?
I've seen that Oculink connections can go as high as Pcie x8, but so far these kind of external connections only go to x4. I wonder how much more expensive it would be to get the extra lanes, probably a lot given that we haven't seen them yet.
The cables i have seen is just two cables mashed together. Its more like space issue.
I got the previous gen max 2 with the 6800u, and honestly love it, I use it for all sorts of crap, and I've ran more flavors of linux than with probably any other machine I own. It handles blender just fine, and that made the engineers at my job crap themselves to see this tiny machine doing the same sort of work as their z books. I too have thought about making a coat, or a belt attachment for this thing because it's so much compute and connectivity for it's size. I have a dvd and sata adapter for my type c, and it's the best Swiss army knife of computers I've used. My gripes are with not being able to find a service provider for the 4g module I actually bought on Aliexpress after I got it, and the screen resolution should have been lower, and with a higher refresh rate, 60hz just feels a bit dumb for a gaming first device.
Hey! Is the GPU of this thing compatible with OpenGL? Does somesone used it for CAD software like Solidworks? would be awsome to be able to work traveling with such a small thing.
can you do an exllama tutorial with rocm please?
yep, i allways turn off fast boot. ive been rollin with thunderbolt on pc, since Z87-DELUXE/QUAD
KAWAII!
I thought MCIO would be the the interface connecting pcie since there was no proper standardisation with Oculink ?
Yeah, I heard that too.
@@BlacklandsAll new serverboards have MCIO connectors either with 8 pcie lanes or 4, OCULINK was ditched.
@@rudypieplenbosch6752 nice
nice to see MS tech making its way into Linux for gaming!
Wendel: Whats better than this?
**Star Trek Voyager theme playing in another tab**
Wendel: This is the win GDP
Me: Wow Level1 has upgraded music to make me like this... wait a minute...
No one is going to mention that the site used comic sans for the device description.
why does their website NOT click to a place to actually buy it for me?
Can the eGPU be used for video transcoding when connected to an older server class motherboard that has PCIe but doesn't have M.2/USB4/Thunderbolt/etc, and doesn't have a motherboard GPU/CPU/Chipset capable of video transcoding? For example: by using a PCIe to thunderbolt or M.2 adapter card -> eGPU.
Well Oculink is actually an internal server connector that's been adapted for external use here so there's no reason you couldn't connect it to a server, it's just not a great way to upgrade a server GPU since it's an expensive mobile GPU
I'm looking to make an old server into a media server using something like JellyFin. However, the server's BIOS doesn't permit access to the internal Intel CPUs HVEC (HP Gen8 Microserver locks this out to implement iLO). And the single PCIe slot also with a AMD low profile GPU also fails for transcoding for the same reason. So, I have to look for some other way to do HVEC transcoding and was hoping a M.2 or Thunderbolt bridge would bypass the BIOS/iLO limitations.
Please test the G1 with MST hubs to verify if it can handle 6 monitors.
2 Club3d CSV-7300 might in theory enable this.
The RX 580 can do 6 but all spec sheets say 4
You could use one of the gamepad as a mouse instead of the touchpad.
Did you purposely showed gpuz for integrated gpu or maybe by mistake? You wanted to show us 7600m xt right? Or I just didn't understand what was happening at that part of a video? 🤔
Does this one not have the plastic pieces that cover the game controls and store in the cool slots in the back when not covering the controls?
It does, but they flop around a little bit in the storage slots so there's something to be said for taking them out (they fit really well when over the controls tbf)
Hello there! It does as well.
The covers are metal, not plastic.
10:56 Wendell, no! Don't use the chaingun to blow off demons' weak points! That's what your shotgun's grenade launcher mod is for.
To anyone who considers buying the Win Max: you can allocate up to 16GB to the iGPU if you buy the 32GB+ model.
Took me ages to figure out...
Mine comes in next week. Did you see any noticeable gains and was it done in the bios?
@josephk6136 Yep, needs to be changed in the BIOS.
Also, there you can change the memory from 6400 to 7500MT/s (dunny why 7500MT/s wasn't default).
About did I see any changes? Well, I mostly play at 1600x900 with 40fps and can change higher texture settings.
Other than that I just enabled what the device was capable of.
Oh and: you're gonna wanna tweak the software. Took me a few days to finally be happy with clocks etc. :D
I am appealed that a legit business is using coming sans in 2023 😂
Link to the video mentioned at the start of this video?
th-cam.com/video/5IfArhUdAm8/w-d-xo.htmlfeature=shared
Around 13:30, the bios monitor is utterly unreadable. due to bad camera focus.. Of course, Wendell is in perfect focus.
Return of the Netbook =)
Finally with the hardware they always deserved.
Since you won’t be gaming, you won’t mind the ~8-10fps drop with enabling wsl2 and virtualizing your windows as a guest on the type 1 hyper visor. You might even let discord run in the background 😂
That 100W charging brick is tiny holy shit.
Lets do something silly. NAS with 25Gbps NIC. Lets go.
Is there a modern and usable PSION like device?
Not that I know of. That's what I hoped the Planet Computers Gemini would be.
I can use both sd card slots with my 6800u version
I literally just got my GPD Win Max 2 (2023) today, crazy.
how is it? gaming and productivity?
@@michaelthompson7217 Really good. It is surprising how good the typing experience is on it, and gaming is also pretty decent.
Can't the analogue sticks be used as pointing devices for your Windows/GNOME GUI?
Nevermind. I just hadn't watched far enough.
But what does it have to do with eyes? Why ocular?
No, it's OCuLink for optical or copper link.
Is is practical to use a pen with that screen?
Not really, since it doesn't fold flat against a desk. You can if you want, but it's not particularly ergonomic. Good in a pinch to sign a document or something, I guess.
i'd say, it's impractical, because the surface pen technology is utter trash. Not gpd's fault, it's trash on just about everything... but its trashiness is even more troublesome due to screen being small.
Wendell wore a utility belt all thru school? Is he Batman? I knew it
Was hoping for a 8hr video 😢
14:35 -- the sure and earnest effusiveness around futurism with instant wake and the merits of better UX/UI like HP100X . . . I feel your energy, and frankly I'm staying hopeful there's a timeline for us all where we have that again.
Kindest regards, friends and neighbours.
8 gigabytes or gigabits?
is phawx your brother?
I wish we could get decent Thunderbolt docks @ work, but we're stuck with the crap Dell tosses out for too much money and hit or miss performance with their laptops. Never mind that their USB docks are laughably bad, and their laptops don't seem to have enough USB controllers or bandwidth (or both) to actually work properly with a dock, webcam and wireless keyboard/mouse dongle.
how much weight have you lost so far Wendell ?!
AMD does not have the mind or market share for them them to develop a hardware interface standard that is going to go anywhere. Intel being partnered with Apple did a lot to promote industry support of Thunderbolt. Microsoft forced Intel to adopt AMD64/X86-64 compatibility, because legacy support is their bread and butter. There aren't really masses of consumers even in need of thunderbolt, let alone something that could be better but with an AMD stamp on it. And I own 2 AMD boards with TB3 and TB4, and a 5800H laptop without either. I'm certainly somewhat a fan of AMD products, but also a realist.
Ah yes, Wendell.
Is it just me or does Wendels voice sound a little different here?
Norm!
Anyone else getting odd background noise?
I'm thinking somebody said that's what she said
2TB in a handheld 😳
Wait 'til you see the GPD Win Mini, same 8 core processor, 2TB NVMe SSD and 64G RAM. Truly a pocketable handheld device. TBF, the keyboard is way better for serious work on the Win Max though.
You can actually get at least 6TB of M.2 storage in these (4TB M.2 2280 plus 2TB 2230), and on top of that they have 2 SD card slots, although one is microSD
...... why is their website in Comic Sans -___-
Seriously!? I thought I was on the wrong site at first lol ~Editor Autumn