Heartbroken Grandma Embraces Teen's Killer
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 9 ต.ค. 2022
- "I just don't want you to be disturbed by the things in my room."
In today's true crime documentary, we're covering the case of the Halloween Candy Killer.
VIDEO QUALIFICATIONS: The following interrogation has been analyzed by a qualified team, including a licensed attorney and former prosecutor, a licensed clinical psychologist, and a licensed professional counselor. - บันเทิง
Grandma survived her son AND grandson. Just so heartbreaking.
I don't think the father that died was her son
But her son-in-law
Heartbreaking, nevertheless
She’ll be a lot less stressed not having to take care of those two little shitz anymore though.
I looked up the game splatter house he mentioned. At first I was thinking looked ok to me it's actually a really old arcade style game. But as I read the plot it got disturbing. For example there is a mask in the game that the player wears. It looks like the horror movie character Jason's hockey mask. Anyways the mask is actually sentient and was an artifact from a Mayan sacrifice or something like that. If I didn't know any better I'd say that sounds like possession. At one point the player also has to kill his girlfriend who becomes possessed. After he does she turns back to normal and thanks him 😐
@@derekstaroba so. do you think he do that bc of that game or what?
@@Lothar526 prob bullied at school and the brother rubbed it in on em so dude killed his brother I guess 🤨🤔
I can’t imagine how the grandma felt once she got back home..the eerie silence and all the boys stuff all over. I hope she is okay now wherever she is. ❤
@@sheeshthagreat5562 that’s so heartbreaking 💔
@@sheeshthagreat5562 rest in peace
It’s just an empty murder home now
It's ok, her neighbors kept an eye on her.
@@EldestSauceyo 💀
It's really refreshing to see innocent party's interrogation footage every so often, and it also highlights a lot of the contrasting behaviors and talking points that you see when compared to the footage of the murderer.
It’s important not to look too far into it tho because it’s just one person, and everyone has idiosyncratic behaviors
@@dathunderman4 booooooo ummk
though he finds different explanations for the people even if its the exact same gesture or behavior. i wouldn't see any of it as truth because there would be too many contradictions
Gotta be the fastest transition I’ve seen from denial to confession.
“I didn’t kill him”
“I know you did I just wanna know why”
“Because he treats me like crap”
Autistic people have trouble with logic and reasoning and especially have trouble with consequences for their actions, they just don't quite understand the concept so they either think they're gonna be in way more or way less trouble for something than they actually would be
I know, I had to rewind it to make sure I'd heard correctly, I was so taken aback!
"I did not do it. Oh, hi Mark."
@@SergeantExtreme lulz
😂😂
It’s sad that the grandma basically lost both of her grandchildren for two very different reasons. I hope she’s doing alright
No, she will never be allright. Everything she lived for is deleted forever.
@@casecold1864 as if her whole life has had no meaning. I fear this the most.
@@casecold1864 u aint know shit lil bro
Spoiler alert?
@@BestOfTate23 Maybe watch the video first instead of coming to the comments?
God I feel so bad for the Grandma she has lost everyone. Her son died, her grandson was killed, and her other grandson was sent to jail. I can't imagine living with that.
Her son didn't die, it was her son-in-law that died. Those two boys were her daughter's kids.
@@jakebiassa thought the kids father also died tho so
@@juandedomenico4306 yeah but the point is it wasn’t her son who died
@@mars7609it is her son. A son in law is still a son.
@@mrbonjangleno it isn’t
Not to mention the grandmas son was also KILLED. The grandmas life is hell. I can't imagine the eerie feeling she felt going back to that house without her boys, basically suffering the loss of all her grandsons. So so sad.
Oh that explains the cameras and bats
I feel so bad for the grandma. Dead son, dead grandson, murder grandson. You can tell it’s so hard for her to accept that he killed his brother.
Raven
@@tavarix5893 pigeon
you feel bad for a murdering animal abuser?
@@SubverterGamingI’m assuming u can’t read
The grandma really tried to keep it together but I think the shock of him actually being murdered instead of suicide like she thought, really broke her down.
How could it have suicide though? Nobody beats their own head in with a baseball bat. Lol.
@@thaistomp my only explanation is that she didn’t know what happened at the time. All she saw was her dead grandson who went through a lot of trauma so her first assumption was that he took his own life
you realize shes prolly a trump supporter....right?
@@EyeOfThePhi what does that have to do wit anything?
It's so heartbreaking... It's better it was murder instead of suicide. With him being so young, he's almost surely in Heaven, because he possibly didn't reach the "age of accountability" yet.
Wild how she finds her grandson dead and covered in blood, and her brain still goes to fake blood being the most likely explanation. It's crazy what the brain does when confronted with the unimaginable.
right
It’s literally Halloween
I unexpectedly found a guy hanging (deceased unfortunately). Took me a few long seconds to process that it wasn't a mannequin I was looking at.
might have thought it was a Halloween prank at first. I'm only in 5 mins to video though.
@@Chancer jeezo! sorry you had to go through that.
The grandmother hugging him after finding out that he killed his brother, and still loving and supporting him, legitimately made me cry my eyes out. This was the hardest part to watch of any of these videos.
Bro I was looking for this comment. What a loving woman.
Bro I hope she’s okay, I’ve never felt actually hurt watching these videos but this exact moment did it to me.
didnt cry but felt it
I honestly dont see how she did it
Same.
I've been binging these videos so much lately, but none have broken my heart quite like this one. There isn't a single person involved here that my heart doesn't break for. It's so clear that those boys have had an incredibly difficult life already and have gone through things they shouldn't have at such a young age. It's also clear that their grandmother is doing her damndest for them to keep them safe and taken care of. So much of me feels that if they had simply had better circumstances, had help, this never would have taken place. And now their grandmother has to return to her home filled with possessions of family members that she's lost. I apologize if I'm being overly melodramatic but I've literally been sobbing for 30 minutes and I can't stop.
You aren't alone in feeling that way. This video is so different from other videos like this. What Nicholas did was terrible but if all you knew about him was his life before this you would say he probably just needs some good friends and his life will turn around. To then see that his life took such a tragic turn is in fact heartbreaking.
I hope for the best for this young man. I hope he will one day be truly happy despite what he did. He can't undo what he did but if he truly regrets it then I think he deserves to move on as sad as it is.
This video hit me exactly the same way. I'm glad the comments are feeling it too.
It’s tragic for all involved.
just know that all your feelings are valid! you never need to apologize for feeling the way you do, this video broke me down as well. I can't imagine what she must be going through and how hard it wouuld be
I just want to say I really appreciate the addition of context and explanation that grief can manifest in all kinds of ways.
Same
For sure! Also if you are in any way involved I feel you would really try not to even come CLOSE to cracking wise.
Yes! Alot of people expect grief to look one way, and if it's anything other than that, something must be off. They don't recognise that humour and being nonchalant is a coping mechanism
I remember the day my grandfather died, I shed not one tear, just drank and cracked jokes at every opportunity I could - basically made a fool of myself. It wasn't until the next day that reality hit me.
@@captron420 I'm sorry that you had that experience, but selfishly I'm glad I'm not alone
Same bro
This hurt. When my brother died (he was 21) I had to supress my grief to be the rock for the family. Choosing the casket, the flowers, informing others...even calling the coroner's office. It was all on me, as my parents and grandparents fell apart. I cracked jokes at his funeral. Looking back I probably looked psycho to anyone who didn't know me well. Humor is a coping mechanism and unexpected loss is shocking.
I'm so sorry 😞
thats both very honorable of and very sad at the same time. Hope you have had the opportunity to grief at some point of you life. Terrible this has happened to you're family.
Wow, what a strong person you rose to be. I am sorry that it was such an ordeal, but (if there is a but), you certainly would have grown for this. Maybe one day in the future of your life, you will be that person to help another through a similar life changing event.
It was the same for me an my grandmom. At her funeral i was confronted by my mom "well its great that ur having such a great time". Well no mom, i am doing this for us. I dont know what else to do.
I hope you have allowed yourself to heal. Thanks for sharing.
To be honest, as a person with severe anxiety and bad memory, I feel like I'd be suspicious just by being me.
The narrator be like "you see how he blinked 2 times? That means he's a psychopath plotting murder as we speak" lol
Same here!
And this is undoubtedly all part of your master plan, knowing your internet activity will be looked at - a nice excuse for you apparent inability to remember anything and couldn't have been that gregarious, chill knife-wielder a few witnesses saw.
wait no frl i forget what i eat if its over one day before so i would be the top suspect 😂😂😂
We know what you did
As a person with ASD, I wanted to shed light on something.
Some of us cannot handle eye contact. Some of us have been trained to force ourselves through it in order to seem “normal”. We have a hard time knowing when and if to drop eye contact. Uncomfy amounts of it is not a sign someone might not be autistic.
👏
I have so much trouble with eye contact and social situations im super awkward 😂 I think I need tested
As soon as someone is known to be neurodivergent, the “usual cues” should be ignored, and even a baseline might be difficult as most learn by their teen years to mask but it can come and go under stress. Like the hole in the wall. My brother would’ve definitely noticed and fixated, and he also fidgeted and avoided eye contact, even when speaking to him directly. He had high levels of anxiety to begin with. He almost wouldn’t have been able to have a conversation about things outside of whatever topic was on his mind, so the extra details about the dogs wouldn’t have been out of character. He definitely wouldn’t have been able to follow a normal conversation and would have about 16 non sequiturs within that timeframe. We learned to just roll with it as that was how he was built but someone just meeting him might’ve made some unfair judgments.
‼️This‼️I was thinking his sustained eye contact could be an even clearer indication as he's masking
Im so glad we got to see someone who s not guilty talking for once and listen to the science behind her every move
They have A few other videos of honest people, some being falsly accused
@@zombiegoddess1524
Especially bc of the Reid technique...I despise it
Yeah, I feel like it kinda helps in reading Normal ppl
Signs that a killer needs to know!
@@thelittledetailscr7231 watch before reading comments, there are no “spoiler alerts” in the real world. Put on your trousers one at a time and it’ll be ok
This poor grandmother. Her daughter is in and out, her son in law dies, her grandson is murdered by his brother and now shes lost him too. Breaks my heart.
i’m pretty sure their dad was her son and their mom was her daughter in law, but i could’ve misinterpreted.
@@hey8985 I honestly don't know either tbh I was just assuming.
@@Josh-bd3mt ah yes. You're right. I'll go back to being emotionless. Thanks for the reminder.
That poor grandma! Prayers to her
@@zwaggerblack543 my heart aches for her as well. Gosh how much grief can a woman take? It's awful. Don't let Josh get to you, he's obviously got problems or perhaps just simply demented.
That ending was so emotional. I wasn't expecting him to be tried as an adult.
When he cried at being given the food that hit me hard. When you've done something wrong and you're shown even just an ounce of kindness, if you aren't too far gone by then, it crushes you.
This is the first time I feel bad for both the victim and the perpetrator.
tysm for feeling bad for someone who split his own brothers head in w a baseball bat in 15 hits & to top it off w stabs to lil bros neck multiple times aswell
@@user-ws3hh2rn4v You live in a sad world where bad people can't change.
Don't be self righteous, you have no clue what was going on in the kids head. Yeah it's terrible, and he deserves punishment. But he can still be considered human and empathized with.
You might not realize it, but everyone is capable of murder if under the right circumstances.
@@chaytonhurlow840 I assume you're directing that to the other guy.
I feel so sorry for the grandma, and at the same time I think she's so unbelievably strong. I really hope she gets over this and becomes happy and peaceful
🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽
She won’t “get over” the murder, but she’ll learn to live with the loss-it becomes a “new normal”.
“They’re not mad at you, they’re hurt. “ was the most heartbreaking and perfect comment to say to him to make him break.
I've noticed this hurts a people a lot more than saying you're mad at them. I used it once and the guy I said it to just looked at me and I saw so much pain in his eyes. It makes them instantly think about what they did wrong and how it may have really effected people
I was completely calm and collected when I found my father had passed away in his sleep in a dramatic manner. I remember the Police Officers questioning me about how close I was to my Dad and why I wasn't as shook up as my older brother was about things. I never shed a tear over his death, but think about Dad with each passing day. I suppose everyone deals with things in their own way, whether guilty or not.
@@Ruder6163
Noah Merkley: I found my father dead as a child and think about it every day.
You: Yeah well, I'm Black and gay. 🐵
@@Ruder6163 why did you feel the need to tell us that ? Jw.
@@Ruder6163 what's the relevancy of your statement here ? Your skin colour and sexual preference has zero connection to someone's emotions about the loss of their father.
I hope you're doing as good as you can considering your loss. I wish you all the best
Very rare..
All I learn from these is that in an interrogation, I'd be the most suspicious person, because I'm a very nervous and non-committal person in general, and I say things like "not that I'm aware of" all the time, even if the answer is "no."
Best not commit not crimes then 😂
@@jordandoughty1970 lol That's just no fun.
Good thing you can just ask for a lawyer :P
Also... he said palms up is not sus when the grandmother was interrogated... but another video when they interrogated a guilty suspect he said it was. I don't understand.
I love how you compared the two of them and pointed out why her grief presented non-predictably but innocently, while his was suspicious. People need to realize that everyone reacts differently to things like trauma and grief.
Would much rather watch these than any documentary from television or Netflix. *Keep up the great work, guys!*
Agree, @MCN Music!
No fucking shit, TV is for old people and idiots.
At least on the internet I get to pick what gets spoon-fed to me.
So true, these are so interesting
Yep me too lol 😅😂😅
Agreed！
As an autistic adult. Thank you for putting your video about statistics and that most with ASD are not violent or commit such acts.
Whatever
Yeah every one of you who are mentally disabled and end somebody else's life is not innocent.... You killed somebody you kill somebody I don't care what's mentally physically wrong with you are guilty you don't even care about the victims all you care about is having the mentally handicapped being able to have a free pass when a morality is at stake and consequences are clear as day. I went to school in the '80s and '90s we're mentally handicapped people were made fun of constantly with my kidney failure my education was taken away from me and denied while put into a mentally unstable classroom with other violent kids all because I had kidney failure... You won't convince me that these unfortunate souls with something mentally wrong didn't know what they were doing so they should just get away with it.... Explain your case to the throne.
I am autistic also
@@colorad6018 whatever? Why whatever?
@@Shy__wolf he's probably a child trying to troll very poorly.
I’m noticing a weird trend with all these crime scenes, everybody’s house is just an awful wreck. Like a bomb went off in there or something, just such a mess
I’ve noticed that too. I wonder why?
I could not help buy cry when his grandmother and aunt came to see him, their love for him didn’t change even after what he did - RIP Harley and love to the family especially the grandmother
That poor woman. Lost both of her babies, and still hugs the one who killed the other. My heart breaks for the family.
Pretty sure she wasnt allowed to hug a body
@@aapowo I don’t think you understand what I was saying.
I know! What a sad sad case SMH
It’s insane. A moment of selfish rage ruins lives.
@barbekue huh? Lol such a snarky response too. You said it so matter of fact yet didn't realize she wasn't talking about the body. Try actually understanding what you read. Give it some thought. That's your daily tip.
31:50 Just listening to the detective say “You killed him” to a teenager, referring to his brother is gut-wrenching. This is an action that he took against his brother. He took his brother’s life by beating his head in. I can’t imagine what it would be like to be on Nicholas’ side of the table as an adult, let alone a kid and one that brutally bludgeoned his brother at that. And then carried on like nothing happened and set it up for his own grandmother to find the body covered in blood and maimed. It just boggles my mind.
Everyone handles emotions but mostly shock differently aswell. When my dad passed away my first words to the detectives were that I just bought him new seat covers for his truck... my dad was my best friend. We did everything together and I still feel weird and don't know why those were my first reactions when they told me he died.
because it’s completely unexpected and you were in shock thinking about the regular stuff you were doing with him suddenly just never being able to happen again, it’s completely normal there’s so many small interactions and details and memories between family like that
My nephew committed suicide when he was 10 (mental illness is a strong, strong battle in my family, it runs deep and hard for so many of us).
This was my third suicide I have had to handle.
When they told me I said "Wow.. I'm glad he's not in pain anymore but I am so sad that he felt he had no other option"
No tears. Just understanding.
I was the one who had to go tell my mom (who was actually the step-grandmother and divorced from my father by then) because I was the only one who had been through this and I was the only one calm enough to get it out.
Grief is an odd thing.
When my mom passed I was living out of state. Got a call from a family member one night telling me she was gone. The only thing I could say was “what?”. And not like in a frantic way. It may or even sounded unfeeling, or monotone. But it’s all I could muster while I was attempting to process what happened. Walked back into my house to my gf at the time, she looked at me and I just fell apart.
Definitely right everyone handles these things differently.
I feel so sorry for his grandma. She ended up losing both of them. Bless her. 💔
That’s 3 🥺
Her son ( the boys father) too. Lost her whole family.
First her son, then her grandsons. Its so fucking tragic. Totally heartbreaking
@@SupremeGrand-MasterAzrael and the cat…
I truly hope that Joana is doing okay if she is still alive. Hearing her break down in the interrogation room was absolutely heartbreaking.
Lost her son just two years ago and now this. That's a lot to bear. Hopefully her partner who is mentioned will be reliable and strong and help her through it.
she suicided 1 years later
@@brt5273 I am a friend of somebody close to the family, you'll be glad to hear that Johna and the family is doing much better since this happened almost 6 years ago now. She has an amazing daughter and 2 adorable cats
@@alex-ep4wt I'm so glad to hear that! Thanks for the update👍
@@alex-ep4wt still in Springfield? Me too
"Because of his young age" HE IS 17!!! I'm glad no one bought that crap
Jesus the poor cats!
I was looking for a comment 🙀
As someone with ASD, some of us struggle with eye contact not because it's inherently stressful but because we're worried of doing too much or too little eye contact. I tend to stare and not take back eye contact and sometimes it freaks out people a little bit
I was looking for this comment!! The eye contact comment threw me off a bit. As someone with ASD who struggles with eye contact, it isn’t the actual eye contact but not knowing the appropriate amount of it (and also getting anxious).
As someone without ASD i think this is a problem a lot of people have, even i myself have had problems with it. I do know of others that have had them thoughts aswell and as far as i know dont have ASD.
@@Displayme4 It’s less so asd and moreso adhd. It’s also just something people can develop. It’s so inconclusive it’s abysmal.
Exactly! One minute, I look like a shy kid. The next, my stare is stealing your soul through your pupils.
My boyfriend is on the spectrum and he refuses to make eye contact sometimes too lol. I make too much eye contact and people seem to be uncomfortable. I look away at that point. I’m not on the spectrum but I do have different learning disabilities. So I feel this and understand now much better with my boyfriend so thank you for this.
That poor grandma. First her son, then shortly after her grandson and her other grandson is lost to prison. Since it's just her I imagine her husband is also deceased. She also gets to learn that her cat was tortured. Sheesh.
A boyfriend was mentioned at the beginning, so the grandmother does have a boyfriend at least (the police asked if the boyfriend did it, she said no definitely not. They then asked if Nicholas did it and she said I don't think so.)
Lovely family wouldn't you say, I guess it goes along with the Confederate flags and everything else. You raise your kids like that that's your business that's what happens. He's staying in the past it's not a good place to be at
@@raylady0 thats not even really relative is it, His motive wasn't clearly drawn out by anything to do with the confederate flag, that is no different then saying someone was going to commit murder due to having a bible in their possession
@@raylady0 I don't know if you've never been to the South or ever met just regular non-racist southerners, but there are PLENTY of people that rock the rebel flag as a southern pride type of thing. Don't believe all the media and twitter propaganda about it just being about white supremacy.
@@raylady0 yeah confederate stuff definitely sucks but it has nothing to do with the murder.
Yeah Nick was defo on the spectrum. As someone with ASD I would probably find myself doing and saying the same random things if I were in that situation. Overexplaining random things, being mesmerized by a hole in the wall, it seems so close to things I've done in, say, doctors appointments. It's fascinating to see how similar us ASD kids actually are. Granted I haven't killed anyone or hurt animals
I'm dont have autism but my brother does and he also would've been just as fascinated by the hole in the wall, but he probably would've just randomly interjected the conversation with talk about the hole in the wall. But people with autism tend to notice things like that imo, like my brother sees all sorts of things no one else does
My son has autism, and does precisely these things you've mentioned.
Dude i was thinking the same exact thing. I dont have ASD but have lots of friends with ASD and this guy was overanalyzing the heck out of the kid. When he pointed out the hole in the wall it seemed totally normal for someome with ASD to do. Even his initial posture that was not looking directly at them can be attributed to ASD depending on the severity. I found it odd that some behaviors the narrator posit may have to do with ASD symptoms, but then completely ignored others. In fact, it made me realize that psychologists really arent trained or used to doing these interrogations with people who have ASD. It makes me worry thay people with ASD may be inclined to be falsely charged more often because of these behaviors.
@@TurncoatCharles I have two sons that are autistic and that was exactly what I thought, although it should be noted that most professionals still tend to analyze neurodivergent people the same way they would someone who is neurotypical. My family has experienced it time after time in various settings. It’s very concerning in the case of crime and punishment. Especially if a child has been undiagnosed and never learned any coping skills. Several things he was pointing out were fairly typical behaviors for someone on the spectrum- noticing the hole, fidgeting and hand rubbing included. His mannerisms and speech made me wonder, but when I saw his room compared to the rest of the house, that pretty well settled it for me. And making eye contact once does not discredit that theory at all. Both of my boys will make eye contact in different situations, and oftentimes the way they inspect and watch your face to try to figure out how you feel or how they should respond may appear to someone less familiar with them as eye contact. I hope that as more people are recognizing their neurodivergence and being diagnosed that we can understand what types of services and therapies children with these behaviors need to prevent this type of situation and we can learn to manage a case like this and provide the kind of help and rehabilitation this kid needed.
@@TurncoatCharlesI was going to make this comment! This is why so many of us with ASD get falsely accused and interrogated and abused into wrong confessions
Someone once told me you're supposed to grieve in a certain order. But grief looks different on everyone. Grief knows no rules.
Yeah its called D.A.B.D.A
DEPRESSION
ANGER
BARGAINING
DENIAL
ACCEPTANCE
i may have the two D's mixed up.
When my mom passed I was in shock for a few hours and had no real emotions. It felt like a lucid dream so it’s important that people are aware that everyone reacts to things differently
True
For real
My condolences and I hope you the best
Me too. I remember the shock of seeing my grandparents and my father at the dining table and my brain shutting off as I was being told. The weeks after I don’t really remember much, only that most of my class had to corner me during a class break in the playground for me to tell them the actual truth. I could not fathom her death so I chose to tell lies and they eventually knew because my brother told them the truth as naively as a 6-yo child can be. This happened 20 years ago. My condolences for you and hope you’re doing good.
It has been years for me without emotions.
..Well maybe I shouldve went to the funeral? Nah.
Not about the case itself, but I really like the fact one of the investigators actually took time to take photos of the cats. I can't help but imagine the guy being like "oooooh cute kittiiiies" while photographing them when a dead body is lying close in the house.
Considering one of the cats had A STRING TIED AROUND ITS NECK- it wasn’t just “cute kitties”. It’s “Damn. One kid murdered, and the other kid is possibly exhibiting weird behaviors. Should note this for later.”
This would be me as a crime scene photographer. Oh the murdered family has a cute ginger cat. This definitely needs documenting, after all this macabre shit it's nice to see a happy cat, completely oblivious to the situation
When my foster dad had told me that my little foster brother had committed suicide, he almost seemed cold and calm. I later realized how much shock he was in. I can’t imagine how he was feeling in that moment
At first I thought the Grandma was somehow involved, someway. But I think after watching the entire video, the poor woman was just broken. She had ran out of emotions from too much pain and suffering.
She comes across as someone that's good in an emergency, like she shuts down emotionally to get the important things done and then she can open up. I'll be honest I thought she was guilty as sin when they played the phone call because it was so matter of fact.
That's why it's important to not judge how someone reacts to tragedy because sometimes it's our brain shutting down to protect us. Some might scream and cry, while some talk calmly and coldly, because they're in shock. I know myself that I react like this sometimes.
@Chairman same, I really thought she was involved. She seemed a bit off in the police interview.
Just because someone isn't hysterical doesn't mean they killed someone. It's very important to not make assumptions like that and to not judge other people's actions based on how we "think" they should act. I don't think I would cry or be hysterical if I found a family member dead. I'd just want to get the police involved and looking for the killer ASAP - being emotional would delay that.
@@MarkT1700 same, I wouldn't know how I'd react but I'd try to be calm to get sht done and find the killer
Oh man, I used to work relatively close to where this happened. It was all over the news in Springfield and was super devastating for the whole community. I’m glad this is being covered in such a respectful way, thank you.
nice dog!
I grew up there and moved out in 2017 I never heard of this. Any idea where in the city this was?
How close is this to cleveland
Yeah I’m from Mansfield and I remember this happening
@@ericg4915 Springfield is northeast of Dayton.
I hope Mittens and the other cat are safe now.
“Did watching those violent video games make you mad?”
Man, old people don’t know anything about technology or video games.
I appreciate the clarification that people with autism are not usually violent. All three of my brothers are on the spectrum and I can't imagine any of them hurting anyone. They're the sweetest people.
Edit: Him pointing out the hole in the wall isn't that out of line with autistic behavior. They get fixated on funny things like that.
The saddest part is obviously not getting the diagnosis and assistance he needed being on the spectrum. This can lead to other mental health problems like uncontrolled anxiety and depression, especially when hurt or trauma is involved.
Ok o
Autism is just a politically correct way of saying the person is retarded.
My sons on the spectrum and he finds all things that are right. Shoes, cracks, clothes, toys.. so the hole he would have picked out
Exactly" Whole in the wall' absolutely typical interest for ASD people
Ive never been into criminals docs but i cant stop watching this channel. The content is so well edited and doesnt stall leading up to big details. Great work
I’ve always liked them, but never consistently watched any channel in particular until I found this and ThatChapter. Best 2 murder documentary channels on TH-cam imo. I know they have completely different styles though.
I’ve always liked them, but never consistently watched any channel in particular until I found this and ThatChapter. Best 2 murder documentary channels on TH-cam imo. I know they have completely different styles though.
Just watched 2 other ones in the past days and you are spot on w that comment!
It's the natural style of criminal interrogation that makes it compelling I think. The detectives only let on a portion of what they know at the very beginning and start to reveal more as it goes on. So every 20 or 30 minutes you get a "wait wtf?!" moment. It actually makes for great tv and I can't believe no one's really done this before.
Besides the sadness of this case, I love the cat in the picture 18:55 it’s so cute 😭
The fact that the defense argued that the whole thing should be dismissed due to age is wild.
The thing is at the time there was a sort of tug of war going on at the state level regarding how cases like these ought to be tried.
As a result this case went back and forth between juvenile and adult court on technicalities until the state level issue was resolved. That argument probably had something to do with that.
Such a heartbreaking story, I really thought the grandmother had something to do with it at first, she was so calm on the phone.. just goes to prove how everyone handles grief differently and of course she must have been on auto pilot due to the shock, I admire her for going to see him after he confessed. To be honest I don’t think I could do that 🇬🇧
I think I would honestly act similar to her. When you see so much death in your life and horrible things just seem to keep happening you kind of feel like "of course this would happen" and it becomes very matter of fact.
When my brother died it was the same for a lot of us, but every so often it would hit like a wave before the shock came back. People are all wired differently
When I found out my grandmother died my only reaction was to smile and laugh. Not because I was happy about it, but apparently inappropriate smiling is a nervous reaction
When my daughter’s first child died in the womb at full term, after she gave birth to her and handed her to me, in front of her and her husband all I could do was smile and tell them how beautiful she was…then I kissed that baby girl’s forehead, passed her back to my daughter, went out into the hallway and completely lost my shit.
@@catherineeckstein2705 oh my god, how absolutely heartbreaking, there are no words to convey how devastating that must be, sending you hugs and love 💕
This case is heart breaking. He definitly shows GIANT signs of ASD, and his break down at the end feels like a realization of just what he's done. Rest easy harley
Yeah. I have ASD and knew immediately, and sort of had my thoughts confirmed with his room being organized the way it was. Very sad overall
@@mallorii86110
Yes! I also have ASD and I knew immediately just from that first wave that Nick was likely on the autism spectrum. I didn't need all of that other information like a neurotypical person would. It never ceases to amaze me what our neurodivergent brains are capable of that neurotypical brains aren't! It's like a 6th sense. We just know!
@@mallorii86110 it's weird how we with autism share almost a sort of autism radar.
it seems like we immediately recognize someone in the spectrum
Legit I hate that you seppos have gone back in time to autistic spectrum disorder. Autism isn’t a fucking spectrum it has many different unique illnesses. We learned this about 40 years ago but you seppos decided let’s make it harder for people with autism to get specialised help.
@@sharpshooter_Aus lot of autists in the us agree
That’s the calmest 911 call I’ve ever heard from a grand parent or parent.
This channel does such a good job of stating out mental disorders, physical actions/appearance and the tactics in investigations. This really teaches u a lot about understanding of victim/suspect stories and how investigations work, very interesting contents!
I wouldn’t recommend using this show for reference. He clearly doesn’t know what he’s talking about.
As someone whos going for a psychology major, It's always so fascinating how much research you guys probably did to make videos like this, it's always so entertaining and very educational!
Switch majors! There's too many psychology majors and not enough psychology jobs
@@matthewishunting you don’t have to have a psychology job if you major in psych. There’s many jobs that have aspects of psychology
I do personalky think they didn't fully understand Nicholas' autism. For example when he checks the damage to the wall and that being a possible way to eliviate stress.
For someone with asd, it's not out of the ordinary to notice such things and show that kind of behavior.
I love ur pfp!😭
I love this field of study, good luck on your major
I was a senior when this happened. He was just a freshman starting in my school. It shook me to my core hearing that this poor kid was murdered that way. I felt horrible for the grandma who found him.
Wait really? What more do you know?
@@fellowmemer5693 Lol
@@520jrw3 I’m sorry but it’s not a funny to “lol” at someone’s death
@@sleepy7291 They know that, they're just trying to be edgy... and "cool". Or even possibly to get attention.
@@sleepy7291 theyre not even replying to the original comment. How are they lol at his death?
I'm OK with his sentence. He is not capable of living in society. Doesn't matter that he is on the spectrum. It is no good
You are one of very few you tubers I don’t mind watching adverts for. You deserve all the revenue you get. Keep up the great work
One thing I always realise seeing these interrogations is that I’d probably seem pretty sus in the same kind of situation. I’m a verbal processor so I tend to over share info when most people just want a quick answer. Plus I’m constantly doing self soothing techniques to ease my general anxiety. Body language certainly is interesting
This is a reason people advise to never talk to police without a lawyer, even if you're completely innocent and want to help. Especially with people who are neurodivergent, any behavior seen as ""abnormal"" can become a false red flag, especially if a cop is already biased against someone.
Same, I couldn't keep eye contact if my life depended on it.
@@rioluluver200 Isn’t calling a lawyer a red flag by itself? Most innocent people wouldn’t want to call a lawyer because they tend to think they have nothing to hide and nothing bad could happen to them, requesting a lawyer could look suspicious.
@@javiwewqre5733 this sentiment is often promoted by law enforcement, but it’s actually illegal to consider someone automatically guilty because they invoked their right to an attorney or their right to remain silent. (It’s been a bit since I learned that, and I don’t remember where I got the information from, so feel free to correct me if you find a disagreeing source)
@@javiwewqre5733
"Isn’t calling a lawyer a red flag by itself?"
This is a manipulation tactic, it is in fact untrue especially because they can't use it in court, people believe its a red flag, they believe it makes them look guilty, in reality any smart person even if innocent would choose the lawyer because cops are not in fact your friend. Cops rely upon this tactic of manipulation because it makes performing an interrogation impossible and getting open-shut case convictions impossible as now you have to deal with the defendant and his attorney watching everything they say and regulating what they can produce from that point on. Cops have and will find or treat you as if you're guilty regardless so long as you appear guilty to them, they over-analyze things and assume things that can result in responses that may not actually be a guilty response but what they'd call "abnormal" resulting in unnecessary harm just to catch someone out. In some cases people get wrongly convicted for this despite innocence, in some cases even the evidence could contradict and it still wouldn't matter.
At first, I thought the poor boy died by poisoned Halloween candy
we all did
I did, too. Like poisoned that last piece of chocolate.
I thought this was the story of the dad that poisoned the sugar sticks to kill his children for life insurance money. He gave them to 5 kids total I think. He even helped his son eat it and wash it down with juice when the boy said it tasted funny. It’s a horrendous story. I think Stephanie Harlowe covered the story on TH-cam.
I thought it was a man killing kids, whoever knocked their door for halloween candy 🤦🏻♀️
If only
"We can't make statements about a persons mental state based on interrogation tapes"
Dude you had me howling with this. That's the entire premise of your channel hahahaha
@@LethalBubbles I like these videos just because they do a good job documenting things and telling the story, but sometimes the commentary is cringeworthy.
*guy sips water* DRY MOUTH IS A SIGN OF NERVOUSNESS OR IT COULD BE SEEN AS A DISREGARD FOR THE AUTHORITY OF THE INVESTIGATOR COMMON WITH PEOPLE WITH DISCONDUCT DISORDER
like idk man maybe the guy is just thirsty.
They have to cover their ass. They can't outright claim he has ASD or any other mental states without it being proven by doctors
I feel sorry for the Grandma, I just hope she doesn't blame herself in any way. It is a very tragic case and thank you for showing it.
This was a terrible story and I feel horrible for the grandmother and aunt. Another amazing video
I started crying when grandma went in to see him. This was so sad 😭
@@udontevenwannaknowbruv yeah same here
@@udontevenwannaknowbruv I watch it at x15 speed
@@udontevenwannaknowbruv they are a member and have early access to videos.
Who do it????????
@@udontevenwannaknowbruv TH-cam membership, people who are members of the channel get it early
"Did it make you angry playing those games, or listening to that music?"
As someone who listens to deathcore, bruh 💀
that poor woman took on two kids later in life and loved them only to lose both of them. Heartbreaking
I want to say thank you a thousand times to the lovely crew of EWU for the subtitles. This is so helpful and very comfortable to watch for foreigners like me.
Or for people like me, who like to chew on crunchy snacks while watching! 😉
@@olvo33nyp0pon True, true 😄
As a native English speaker, I like subtitles in these because the police cameras and audio is so poor quality I can’t understand what they are saying otherwise. ❤
Im hard of hearing and this helps so much!
British English is my first language. Thank god for subtitles, some Americans are diifficult to understand.
one of my greatest fears is being wrongly accused of something and then reacting in ways that neurotypical people perceive as guilty
edit: as stated by everyone, of course, your very best course of action is to refuse to speak until you've spoken to a lawyer. Refuse even small talk to that point because even that is a manipulation tactic meant to get you to open up.
My own issue is that I am a people pleaser to the extreme and my first impulse is to pacify whoever I perceive as a threat, which will always include investigators and police if I were being detained. I behaved that way towards perfectly friendly teachers and professors just because they had authority over me. I've made an effort to internalize the reaction of asking for a lawyer and refusing all other conversation, but I just don't know that I'd be stronger than my instincts in that situation. I would be incredibly easy to get a false confession from.
I have a lot of paranoia about whether I’m perceived as lying bc of some childhood stuff, so I will get in my head and then worry that because of that I will seek unnatural and look like I’m lying …and then I think I definitely start behaving unnaturally as a result and become aware of that and panic more. I deeply hope I never get accused of a crime bc I am too much in my own head and have too much anxiety to not look suspicious I worry.
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I try so hard to not over explain but then i end up over explaining why im not over explaining-
I swear growing up my mom freaked me out for things I didn’t do and still got beat up and blamed for soooo much that I automatically look guilty all of the time! If something happens now (I’m 36 years old now) and it still happens where I automatically feel guilty of things even if I never dreamed of doing the things! If I am ever interrogated on anything serious I’m sure I’m going to jail lmao
yes. These behaviour analyses shouldn't be used on us, if you're ASD like me. I have firmly resolved to not talk to police and get a lawyer asap, because the way I'm wired: I'd want to solve this puzzle so badly I'd be talking about all the ways I'd possibly could've done this.
@@TerraSapien don't worry. Just use your right to be silent. Ask for a lawyer, clearly, and immediately. Let somebody else solve this puzzle in which you have no part. Don't help, don't talk. Let someone else handle it.
That poor Grandma. I can't imagine what she's going through. He caused her so much pain and grief.
I haven’t finished watching and don’t know if they mention how the dad died, but he was shot and killed by the mom’s ex-husband. The grandmother had both her son (maybe son in law) and grandson murdered by people she knew, feel so bad for her
Where did you get that information?
My heart breaks for the grandma. She lost her son and grandson, and her other grandson is a murderer. She might be calm because it all didnt seem real, and all she could feel was emptiness. The shock was just too great. At least that’s how I felt when I experienced a tragedy years ago. I hope she’s doing well today.
She died.. her home is now just an empty home with bad memories
@@Mybasedworld that is absolutely heartbreaking. Once a full house with two vibrant young boys. May she and Harley rest in peace ❤️🕊️
Yeah when my best friend died I didn't cry for the whole first day because I just couldn't process it
Every person has different ways handling emotion
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He was 16...arguing about chocolates in a box 😂
I've never heard of this case. This is going to be interesting. Thank you for spreading awareness and bringing us such thorough content.
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Just imagine the amount of unheard evil doers in this world who are seeking to harm, hurt and outright cause deterioration. These people are horrible and sadly, they reach an unsolicited conclusion.
I'm the opposite- I've watched and read a lot about this case. It was still fascinating even from the opposite end of the scale.
I’ve never heard of it either and I thought I knew them all!
I haven’t heard of this either. I’m only halfway through & I’m totally enthralled!
Thank you so much for adding that disclaimer about ASD ❤❤❤
This is the first video of yall's that really got me tearful. Just the whole air of grief and distress was so sad. The moment when they were all stood together, hugging and crying was heart wrenching.
Once again, I am here to thank the EWU crew for bringing such detail to these with editing, researching and vocals. There isn’t a channel comparable. The amount of work put into this shows. Thank you again
I thought WE were the EWU crew, otherwise he's saying "What is up" to himself!
@@Sinsteel crew as in the actual workers, our fanbase name is the same though
facts
@@_JustJoe yea, I meant their crew but dont you dare question the Ravens logic. Even when he is wrong, he is right lol
I haven’t finished this, but I just wanna say that I feel people often forget how people handle grief and traumatic incidents very differently. We too often think that if they aren’t having a mental breakdown and bawling their eyes out, they had something to do with it. When sometimes, that’s not true. Sometimes people go numb, sometimes people enter a state of denial and refuse to believe what their eyes saw to be true. We all handle situations differently.
This is true. When I find out my dad passed (I was 13), I kinda laughed and thought it was a joke. Then I went into a numb state for months until it eventually led to anger, depression, and finally peace & acceptance. Crazy how grief can work.
Very true. The truth is you don’t know how to act.
You don’t want to smile or laugh because you don’t want people to think you aren’t taking it seriously. Or u don’t think it’s appropriate to happy in lieu of a tragedy or death.
And at the same time, u want to be strong and not throw yourself on the floor weeping. And you think being upset like that, people might think you are putting on a show or acting.
You really don’t know how to act. Your emotions are everywhere.
Grandma was just trying to save her last one. She could smell the blood beyond the closed door.
I have ADHD and OCD and I can surely see myself clinging on a hole in the wall in such kinds of interrogations, even if not guilty. I might even ask for another room because depending on my state I wouldn't be able to focus because of the wall
He clearly has ASD, I am surprised they didn't put him in a facility that would work with him while incarcerated. Being supervised would let them know if he could be patrolled at all.
What a sad story. To remember the victim, here’s some words from Harley’s obituary:
STARLING, Harley Lee 14, of Springfield, passed away unexpectedly October 30, 2016 in his home. He was born August 12, 2002 in Dayton, the son of Earnest Starling Jr. and Antoinette Lancione. Harley enjoyed playing video games, repairing broken things especially cars and spending time with his friends. He was a student in the 9th grade at Springfield High School. Survivors include his grandmother; Johna Pulliam and her friend; Victorino, two brothers Nicholas Starling and Derrick Allen, one aunt; Angela Starling, two step aunts; Stephanie and Rebecca, cousins; Destiny, Noah, Liam and Roland, grandfather; Earnest Starling Sr. and many friends. He was preceded in death by his father.
Really bizzaro wording that looks entirely normal knowing nothing. Sounds like a freak accident or something. Usually you don’t see killers in the list of survivors and I’ve seen “taken from us” or “left this world” used in cases like this rather than “unexpectedly” - this was probably really hard to write.
That poor grandma 😢
Damn, that’s cold of them to put his brother Nicholas in the obituary as a surviving family member, when he’s the one who took his life… he should not be in that obit imo. Doesn’t deserve to be
@@umungus518 reread it and you’re right 🥲
"passed away unexpectedly" and put his killer brother in the obituary? Tf?
i think the grandma's reaction is interesting in how it actually proves shes innocent. the fact that she's nonchalant until the detective talks her through the shock and then stricken with grief for the rest of the visit is more likely genuine. someone who knows 1. that hes dead 2. that he was murdered and 3. all of the details of the scene know in advance everything the detectives are going to tell them, meaning that thier 'grief' will be unaffected by further developments. they'll be at the same energy from start to finish because its not real. genuine emotional ditress is more chaotic, it goes up and down, reacts in weird ways, dips in and out of aggression, despair, and paranoia. the real thing is a lot harder to fake
Me, you and Sampson should get together and make a sandwich...... with our bodies. 😀
I react like that when it comes to grief. My brain just puts like a wall that won't let me access that reality until like months later.
@Millennial Smark im sorry for your loss, i hope you and your family have recovered well
As a mom of a son on the ASD Spectrum, I really appreciate you pointing out specially, that people on the ASD Spectrum are no more likely to commit acts of violence, murder or any other crime, than people not on the Spectrum. A lot of other TH-camrs fail to do so when they cover true crime cases involving perpetrators and/or suspects on the Spectrum, therefore making it sound like people on the ASD Spectrum have a higher likelihood of being involved in violent crimes or crimes in general.
So, again, I REALLY APPRECIATE you pointing out specifically, that this is NOT the case.
Sending greetings from Germany ❤
This is so sad on so many levels. Rip little man
Man, seeing the grandma and aunt hug him without a single reproach even then is such a gut punch.
There's nothing like family.
I think sometimes people over analyze someone’s actions in an interrogation situation.
People don’t take enough into account nervousness.
How often does someone come in for questioning regarding a murder?
I’m sure that even though you are completely innocent that you might exhibit odd gestures or speech like stuttering because you can’t help but feel nervous.
exactly
And he uses words like “may be a sign”, “could be a sign”, etc
@@jessim97 he uses those words because he knows strange behavior in these situations doesn’t always mean the person is guilty or lying. Those strange actions and behaviors CAN mean those things but aren’t 100%
And when it comes to analyzing speech patterns too. What if saying “as far as I know” is a normal part of my vocabulary but now I’m automatically being suspected of deception because that fits into some category?
Exactly!
I don't know how that poor woman was able to have the strength to hug her grandson after what he had done but it shows exactly what kind of person she is and I admire that about her. RIP to that poor boy and I hope Nicholas and his family are doing ok today!
I was not expecting to break into tears when Nick saw his family. It shows Johna's incredible strength for still loving Nick after such a horrific murder. Also seeing Nick's potential regret for his actions makes it that much more tragic.
I agree. It is an absolute tragedy. The kid did something indescribably horrific but I do feel bad for him. He has to live with the fact that he took his own brothers life and deeply hurt his family.
They should have a say about his release since it’s like losing 2 children
I dont agree at all, I actually think that was kind of ridiculous. If my grandson murdered his brother with a baseball bat under my roof I wouldn't be giving him a hug and being supportive. He is a murderer, my guy.
@@riosnetocriminal yeah lol its not like he stole a car he killed his own blood 🤬
@@riosnetocriminal it probably hadn't sank in yet. She was in shock and hadn't had time to process it. At that point, she just knew she loved her grandsons.
My heart aches for the grandmother!!!😭😭😭 she lost both her son & now both of her grandsons!!!
It's so important to show the same body language analysis for innocent people too. Because sometimes body language is treated as the be-all and end-all of someone's innocence and in actual fact humans are much more complicated than that. Not everyone reacts the same as you said. Sometimes people may use body language that's recognised as lies or deception when in fact they're not. Thanks for doing this.
This. Just because a young boy is anxious about strangers going through his room doesn't mean he's hiding a sinister secret.
I can't look people in the eye, I move my hands and feet all the time. Not been diagnosed with anything other than I have anxiety. But I'd absolutely look suspicious when being questioned rather than innocent..
Great point!
@@stephanym9210 same here! Personally it’s due to my autism & anxiety. Traits I exhibit looks suspicious/sketchy, but it’s not intentional.
The boy's had JUST lost their Dad and now live with grandma, I can't help but think that some RED FLAGS concerning this boy's behavior were either looked over or completely missed or justified by his Dad's death... He talked about choking out the cat like he was describing taking off his socks... Like it was normal thing. You could see how quickly his personality came out when the detective made the remark about the video game he was playing. Now the grandma lost their Dad and a grandson... I wkidsould like to know more of this history, Because I have a feeling he didn't JUST wake up that morning and start choking small animals ect.
Yeah hes a freak. Ugh so disgusting
I would’ve thought the whole house became a crime scene the moment they found that young boy murdered. I don’t understand why they ask that other boy for permission to search his room. At the very least, all they would need, would be the grandmother’s permission. It’s her house. Great video again thank you!
This case is sad on so many levels.
I enjoy watching the interrogators hound the suspect and find justice for the victim and their families. I didn’t enjoy it in this case. I felt sorry for ALL.
It is unfortunate how preventable this could have been. It seems like this was a result of Nicholas not being able to cope or seek out resources to help him deal with his brother's constant aggression/bullying towards him and his father's death. This story is a great example of why it is crucial to have mental health resources for people in low income families to help them deal with these kind of situations and help people like Nicholas navigate their world. I do not mean to take away from the severity of the crime committed, for all parties it is a tragedy.
I completely agree with this statement. This whole case really upsets me with our justice system with mentally ill patients. This case really reminds me of my brother. My brother is autistic and when he gets very angry he will get violent. But he would never kill someone. Everything he does, he thinks its for self defense. I really feel like this kid could've got the help he needed. Not 15 years in prisons. He is on the SPECTRUM for crying out loud. He cannot comprehend human emotions. But once he saw how hurt his family was, he immediately knew it was wrong and he shouldn't of done it.. I just feel like this kid deserved to get help. Not prison for 15 fucking years.
@@xocelise i hear you and i hear you chief but it's a little bit strange of you to claim that people on the autism spectrum can't relate to human emotion.
@@xocelise Hi just wanted to ask that you please not say that people with ASD can't comprehend human emotions. We absolutely can.
@@xocelise They can comprehend human emotion and you are just doing them a disservice and discrediting them by saying this.. It's just harder for them to pick up the nuances of human emotions
The right support makes a huge difference!
He should never get out. Torturing the cat and beating in his brother's skull, then just going to sleep is frightening AF. You can't fix that kind of crazy.
he should get out actually, he should only stay in prison for a maximum of 1 year
@@michelestefanini5466 you're trash. I'll find you.
@@jessebailey5962 can you bring me a pc? asked my parents if I can have one but they're not buying me one still. Man I wanna play dcs
@@jessebailey5962 I suggest you start searching in the Philippines
sez who? you, sweetie?
I have a grandson low on the spectrum and he maintains eye contact just fine. They aren’t all the same.
thank you for this! very common misconception and i’ve been told i’m faking autism because of my ability to keep eye contact
I can understand the grandma being a bit more calm at first since she thought he killed himself... if you know someone is suffering and they choose to end it, it can give you mixed feelings-- I'm sure this is not easy for her to come to terms with already. I accredit her being calm to her maybe having been through tough shit in life-- some people learn how to compartmentalize when dealing with trauma. Once she finds out he was killed, you can see the mask slip in her turning from robotic-shock to being in horror-shock and disbelief as it continues on. Poor woman, she was just trying to do the right thing. My grandma saved me too.
It was so heartbreaking to see Johna hug him at the end, I can’t begin to imagine the trauma she has gone through. What a strong woman.
Keep making these videos. They’re so interesting to watch.
This is a brilliant channel. Well done to the producers. Very professional and informative 🤓
As someone with autism, all of the “weird” things you mentioned him doing make complete sense to me. I would also do this, I have trouble focusing on conversations that are not engaging to me, or when someone asks me questions I know the answers too.
You're a murderer?
He does mention a lot of "this all seems weird put together, but on its own is actually normal and doesn't signify anything without other, unrelated things."
@@Neremworld yeah he explained that a few times actually
yeah I do all these things in normal conversation. hopefully I never get accused of committing a crime bc it's over for me if I do lol
@@spicymeatball4441 You're an autistic murderer? Why do you have compulsions to kill humans? Don't you know its wrong to murder people?
The fact he pointed out the window was open even though the curtain was shut should instantly have arroused suspicions. First of all you would have to physically check that it was actually open by drawing back the curtains to confirm, rather than just blurting it out as a fact; so it seems a weird thing to point out. Especially when faced with his dead brother in the exact same room, the window should've been the last thing on his mind.
Not if you're neurodivergent.