Subaru Outback Wilderness Slip Test note: Incredible traction but thanks to the famous Dual X-mode! Dual-function X-MODE can help get you out of sticky conditions like deep snow and mud, where a little wheelspin can be helpful. On the roller, you could feel how the power was sent to the only wheel with grip since the car was changing direction on the roller! It's among the best AWD system we had the chance to test on the roller. Just use the first X-mode and leave TCS on. If you want more momentum, use x-mode in Deep Snow/Mud Mode! As you can see, it can push our roller sideways and roll away! #subaruoutback #wilderness
@@kc0lif it's on all the time. There is no need to turn it off in regular driving either. Just when you get off-road or when you want to send it sideways on a nice blanket of snow!
Great video! I own the Outback Wilderness, and I always use Deep Snow and Mud Xmode when off-roading as it offers the low end torque and power needed when moving over river rocks or up steep gravel/sand. It also really launches the car on the pavement...which is a secondary fun use of the 2nd Xmode.
@@gardenst4398 that car is able to change direction is due to the fact that it can send enough torque to the available wheel with traction, thereby, pivoting the car as there is no traction on the other 3 wheels. If it did not transfer enough power to the wheel with traction, the car simply would not move. This was stated by Car Question and is accurate.
Probbaly the best use of electronics to send torque to the gripping wheels in the industry. It's amazing how proper computer logic can make a relatively simple drivetrain setup work so well.
I have been driving Subarus in Chacago for 30 years, and I have never been late for work due to snow ever. Never got stuck where I had to get out if the car, never had winter tires. I did put winter tires on my daughters Forester, and it goes through snow like a half track.
Winter tires are not only good for off the line traction but also braking and cornering. If there is an unforeseen situation it makes a big difference having winter tires in the winter. That is why it is mandatory in scandinavia.
Real world in ice and snow, it'll get stuck here n there, but not as often as a regular fwd. I have a forester xt, gets stuck at least twice a snow season. Winter tires really help!
@@Stevenseagull666 I actually didn’t have a market adjustment! Not sure if I got lucky, but I made sure when I ordered my vehicle that there was no markup.
The 3 wheel spin reverse was achieved thru traction when it slid sideways. Yes it was transferring power well enough to the 1 wheel with traction to make it spin so the system is doing a great job channeling the power.
Had a 2009 Outback, which was the biggest pile of junk I’ve ever owned; the head gasket needed to be replaced 2 times, then the transmission sensor went bad. All before 100k. Traded in for a used 2015 WRX, which was a great little car. Just traded in my WRX with 98k original clutch for a Bronco Sport. So far, it’s a freaking beast. Time will tell, but really surprised by Ford.
As a technician and enthusiast I still believe subaru should have dug back out at least the old viscous lsd and slapped it in the rear diff. But seems like the Xmode system has been working decently so far so we shall see.
@@CarQuestion De rien Cousin, ta chaîne est top, tes commentaires justes et tu présentes des modèles que nous verrons jamais en France. Tout pour me plaire. J'ai aussi l'autocollant de ta chaîne sur le coffre de ma voiture 😉
Great beast. But i wonder one thing, may be part of the success in the reverse test is due to the car sliding a bit sideways on the rollers and grabbing the edges so it gained grip?? I don't know Another thing, the test is brilliant, but if you could do some trials in an incline it would be awesome, i know that's what the diagonal test is for, but three wheels with no grip on a small incline or two wheels from the same side...i think that adds for a great test too!
To send the car sideways like that, it needs to send power to the wheel with traction. The WIlderness tends to go sideways more VS other AWD vehicles. Many of them just stay straight, and they never make it past the 3 wheel slip test. We have more coming for this car: Diagonal test, Sand Test, and Off-road diagonal test in natural condition. I take notes of your suggestion and will try to make it happen.
Looking at this performance and look back the AWD CVT system since 2016 or earlier, I want to comment that Subaru is progressively improving this piece of work.
Wait until you see a vehicle with front and rear locking differentials on the roller test. That’ll make the Subaru look like a retard doing a math problem! 😂
@@Asientabs you’re right. Subaru reacted when people first complained the the auto start/stop button was on a different page on the interface. They uploaded an update so the button was permanently on the screen at the bottom. I think they can do the same about the TCS and Xmodes, in permanent view on the screen.
@@spol1622 Subaru’s system is to directly active the spinning wheel’s brake individually It’s computer control and not by locking the differential gear..that’s why it got some delay, cause the computer is logically thinking/trying which wheel to be locked(braked)would have best results But that is another way without using differential lock, outcome is the same, stop the spinning wheel and redirect the engine output to the wheel that have traction
A real downfall to this system is that it relies so much on wheelspin that the car would dig itself deeper in certain situations making it even more stuck. The less time spent spinning, the better.
Thanks for one more great test. I know that this model should be one of my next vehicle options if it remains on the market in the upcoming 4 years. So I presume the X-Mode is the high tech alternative to the Lock mode in other vehicles like my 2016 Outlander.
The lock mode on most vehicles split the power 50:50 without delay. It doesn't send power to the wheel that needs traction. X-mode is a more complex algorithm and way more performant than some old-school lock mode. Still, I would love to have a rear limited-slip differential like I used to have in my 2001 2.5 RS.
@@CarQuestion you nailed it, most vehicle "lock" modes turn them into a "full-time" AWD 50:50 split, but usually only up to a certain speed...so basically a non-symmetrical Subie LOL.
@@maithem212 that's not how Subarus awd system works. The only subarus that are 50/50 split are manual transmission WRX and STIs. Subaru symmetrical AWD only means all the drive axles are the same length.
On the 3 wheel slip with the front wheel on the ground it looks like the slipping rear tires are sliding over to the edge of your rollers and then gripping off the roller rather than truly testing the AWD traction performance.
On my old Subaru Impreza, you get no movement if you have the two tires on one side (right or left) on a low traction surface, even if there is traction on the other side.
@@ComradeTrace only happens when BOTH wheels of one side are on the slick stuff, not when only one is. I suppose the center front to back diff is ltd slip.
Maybe im wrong, but doesnt subaru pretty much just repackage the same 1-2 engines and AWD system into every vehicle they make? They use their global platform for every single vehicle now except the BRZ. They are all they same friggin thing, just stretched, shrunk, raised or lowered to each models specs. The only AWD system that is truly different is the STI which is user adjustable.
with X-mode, the car is dragged to the sides and it runs over the roller mounting bar, which does not move and it catches the hook and jumps out. So she would not have left. The test is not indicative. In our time, there are already systems with wheel braking, and this is already at the level of a computer, not mechanics. With such systems, it is not difficult to leave such rollers.
@@icecreammanrocker360 no matter what system. (even VW Tiguan or Prado 150) The computer throws the torque from the slipping wheel, that is, it strangles it and, accordingly, drags the car with better grip. Now, most new cars in general are capable of this. Where such toys will enter the hill on a diagonal hanging, then frame jeeps will not enter (only with acceleration). And you don't need experience, just push the gas to the floor and the main thing is that the engine has enough power to turn the wheels holding the brakes. The rest was taken care of by the auto developer.
When spinning tire loses forward grip vehicle moves on lateral direction which is the least path of resistance. You can see this phenomenon on powerful engine rear wheel drive sports car when rear tire spins out and car rear end begins to fishtail. Rear wheel drive vehicle doing donuts on the parking lot is another perfect example of what happens when tire spins out under power.
These test are too easy for the Subaru. You should step it up by testing these rollers on an incline and decline. That would be most likely when you lose traction is going up or down a hill. I have a feeling when the one tire tries to push the Subaru weight up a hill backwards, it's not going to work
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In the situation with three rollers and only one front wheel on ground it never moved. After a bit of slippage wheels touch the FRAME of the rollers and only after that car starts to move. There are other test in real conditions where Subaru completely sucks with its traction control
Don’t have any accidents requiring you to order any major parts! You could be waiting 6 months for these!!!! I have been waiting for a gear selector assembly for nearly this time!!!!!!!
Nice. I still think Subaru's older systems were better. I owned two older Subaru's and never once got them stuck, now they appear to need the high-end system/model to get even remotely close to being decent.
I still have a Subaru with manual transmission and LSDs which I love. But the new systems definitely have upsides like being lighter and less mechanically complex (behind the transmission). It seems like they have finally gotten performance to match that older, heavier, more expensive system. Which is great news because I finally bought a new model for my wife.
@@Dominick0080 - Good, I hope her new Subaru gives her many trouble-free years. I love Subaru so much and will likely be looking for an older Forester XT with manual in the coming year, that is, unless I decide to the new Ford Maverick, I love that thing!
@@27Zangle yeah I'm planning to checkout a Solterra once they launch. I really want to try out an EV next. Hopefully for both our sakes the chip supply chain will be sorted and used car market comes back to earth in the next 12 months.
@@27Zangle the Maverick does look really cool too. I definitely want to drive one. I'm hesitant to drop the kind of money on a new brand to get a Rivian. But a small to medium sized EV Truck is exactly what I want.
I've never owned an awd vehicle but I've owned lots of 4wd vehicles. Is this considered a good test result? I'm not trying to be funny, I'm actually asking because this seemed terrible to me. It barely has any limited slip functionality. Looks like it's basically one front wheel and one rear wheel getting 95% if the power with just a little bit going to the other two.
Not TFL. It was fairly decent maybe 8 years ago. I stopped subscribing to them a few years ago, horrible. They went off the rails. This was a much better video Put tfl to shame.
The only real advantage the ivtm4 system has is the active torque vectoring. It also doesn't have the same heat capacity as the Subaru system. With that being said, i would certainly count the ivtm4 as a true top tier awd.
@@edwardlaw797 He does have a video of the latest gen Acura RDX doing his other test and it did good. The Acura SH-AWD is the Honda ivtm4 system with different logic in order to take more advantage of the torque vectoring rear diff.
The Dual X mode in the wilderness is different from any other x mode as it's not limited by speed. The gear ratio and tires in a wilderness also changed so it has a bit going for it compared to other Outback models.
I like the Wilderness. However, the things I do not like is the Touch Screen and no Manual Transmission Option. Give me normal buttons that do not move and change like they do with a Touch Screen and give me a Manual Transmission Option.
The speed at which it redirects power. While driving in normal road conditions you want the car to redirect power instantly or while driving at speeds exceeding 30 MPH you want a faster reaction to road conditions. That's why normal X-modes in other Outback models are limited to below 25 MPH before they shut off automatically.
@@joshuacampagna1175 The ideal system would be that, the x-mode would shutdown if you're going to fast, except if the system detects slipping and that the car isn't actually going at that speed (combining gps and speed)
I've actually offroaded in some very steep terrain for 1h+ in my forester, no cvt overheating, only the engine was getting to some high oil temps sometimes (>105°C) but would come back to normal temps quickly. I've done about 30K more kilometers after that, no cvt problems. I hope they won't happen soon though lol
Nope! even at 3000m of altitude with 4 persons and fully loaded up to a trail, cvt didn't overheated. PS. mine is a 2014 2.0 diesel turbo outback with TR-640 CVT (147.000 kilometers on it)
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This doesn't look any different than any other Outback performing this test. They handle wonderfully in snow/ light trails but until Subaru goes to a locking diff it's always going to be just a decent but not great off-roader. To see what I mean, look up Sarah N Tuned's review of the Wilderness.
I believe the theory is that Subaru knows most of the people buying their cars are going to spend most of their time on the road. Subaru’s AWD system is more than excellent on the road. Subaru isn’t nearly as big of a manufacturer as Chrysler or GM or Toyota so it’s harder for them to meet global government gas mileage constraints. This means that besides most of their cars being used on the road they also have to make them fuel efficient. Locking differentials add weight and rob engine power which translates to lower miles per gallon.
@@porsche558 For about 99% of the average buyers, it's more than capable. I often see them on logging roads, no issues. - If it had better approach/departure angles (and locking diff), I would consider it.
Херня, нужны реальные тесты. Да и смысл это делать на горизонтальной поверхности, все проблемы в основном начинаются при движении в гору по грязи, снегу или льду.
Well that's a little bit disappointing. I hoped the Outback would not stutter even if only 1 wheel had traction. I daily drive an STI, so maybe my expectations are a little too high.
@@setoman1 AWD will not get you out of hydroplaning... That's what TCS/ABS are for.😉 and unless you are alone on a private road, you might want to slow down
@Michel T AWD and TCS work in tandem. And sure it will. A robust AWD system, especially one with a center diff lock, will help regain traction while hydroplaning.
I can see that tires pressure is way between 15 to 20 psi. So it seems that you Lowered tire pressure to get more grip (cheating). If you asked me how did i know, you can clearly see the tires bouncing like sponge.
I see what you did there. :) Personally, I take the extra step of opening up the back and putting rollers under the spare. th-cam.com/video/CMhEW-ei-pE/w-d-xo.html
Subaru really needs to make an enthusiast level off-road SUV. Something that competes more with the Jeeps and Bronco and the Tacoma, etc. The outback would be a great starting platform. Just ditch the CVT and get some better goodies underneath it
Can someone explain to me how this is better than traditional limited slip differentials? I will concede that my wife's 2013 2.5i Outback has a notably tighter turn radius than my 2007 WRX, but it seems that the electronic nannies have to protect the Outback's CVT from overheating/ grenading. I guess I'm an analog man and stuck in my ways of mechanical diffs and manual locking hubs 😅 edit: I know this is testing the Outback's AWD system and not driver technique, but maybe adding slight brake pressure to create artificial "traction" would make the slipping wheels slow down and transfer power to the wheel with traction.
Subaru Outback Wilderness Slip Test note: Incredible traction but thanks to the famous Dual X-mode! Dual-function X-MODE can help get you out of sticky conditions like deep snow and mud, where a little wheelspin can be helpful. On the roller, you could feel how the power was sent to the only wheel with grip since the car was changing direction on the roller! It's among the best AWD system we had the chance to test on the roller. Just use the first X-mode and leave TCS on. If you want more momentum, use x-mode in Deep Snow/Mud Mode! As you can see, it can push our roller sideways and roll away!
#subaruoutback
#wilderness
only use traction control in rain
@@kc0lif it's on all the time. There is no need to turn it off in regular driving either. Just when you get off-road or when you want to send it sideways on a nice blanket of snow!
Great video! I own the Outback Wilderness, and I always use Deep Snow and Mud Xmode when off-roading as it offers the low end torque and power needed when moving over river rocks or up steep gravel/sand. It also really launches the car on the pavement...which is a secondary fun use of the 2nd Xmode.
If the car changes direction on rollers ( to the edges), is it a fair judgement to Best AWD? Cos in edges of rollers most cars would make it🙋🏼♂️
@@gardenst4398 that car is able to change direction is due to the fact that it can send enough torque to the available wheel with traction, thereby, pivoting the car as there is no traction on the other 3 wheels. If it did not transfer enough power to the wheel with traction, the car simply would not move. This was stated by Car Question and is accurate.
Probbaly the best use of electronics to send torque to the gripping wheels in the industry. It's amazing how proper computer logic can make a relatively simple drivetrain setup work so well.
I have been driving Subarus in Chacago for 30 years, and I have never been late for work due to snow ever.
Never got stuck where I had to get out if the car, never had winter tires.
I did put winter tires on my daughters Forester, and it goes through snow like a half track.
Winter tires are not only good for off the line traction but also braking and cornering. If there is an unforeseen situation it makes a big difference having winter tires in the winter. That is why it is mandatory in scandinavia.
Got a Subaru over the summer and this is the first year that Im actually looking forward to winter, because I want to see what it can do.
Not stop especially well without snow tires!
I'm literally in the same boat. I even got a wilderness edition to boot
Me too!! And I got winter tires hahah.
I got an impreza last year very fun to drive here in canada winter
Real world in ice and snow, it'll get stuck here n there, but not as often as a regular fwd. I have a forester xt, gets stuck at least twice a snow season. Winter tires really help!
Got my wilderness last Friday! Loving it!
Dang!!The market adjustment price on top of MSRP was insane I bet
@@Stevenseagull666 I actually didn’t have a market adjustment! Not sure if I got lucky, but I made sure when I ordered my vehicle that there was no markup.
@@johnknudsen3587 wow that’s a steal!!! Congrats on your new vehicle man! I’m very jealous:)
@john how is it performing so, anything we should be aware of?
@@impala5108 everything working well! No issues. Just debating on a roof top tent or not. Possible awning too.
The 3 wheel spin reverse was achieved thru traction when it slid sideways. Yes it was transferring power well enough to the 1 wheel with traction to make it spin so the system is doing a great job channeling the power.
I wasn’t really into this car until I saw one in person. Very nice.
I have a 2013 subaru outback I bought used in 2014. 222,000 miles and still hums. Cannot complain.
Had a 2009 Outback, which was the biggest pile of junk I’ve ever owned; the head gasket needed to be replaced 2 times, then the transmission sensor went bad. All before 100k. Traded in for a used 2015 WRX, which was a great little car. Just traded in my WRX with 98k original clutch for a Bronco Sport. So far, it’s a freaking beast. Time will tell, but really surprised by Ford.
все ждал тест на 4 колеса.. не дождался))
As a technician and enthusiast I still believe subaru should have dug back out at least the old viscous lsd and slapped it in the rear diff. But seems like the Xmode system has been working decently so far so we shall see.
why you should change it, as long as it works :)
@@vzheka1981…why wouldn’t one prefer better over good? 🤔
Merci cousin d'apporter la preuve que la traction Subaru est une des meilleures au monde 👍🏻
Merci à toi de nous suivre Ludo! :)
@@CarQuestion De rien Cousin, ta chaîne est top, tes commentaires justes et tu présentes des modèles que nous verrons jamais en France.
Tout pour me plaire.
J'ai aussi l'autocollant de ta chaîne sur le coffre de ma voiture 😉
now this is a real slip test. not afraid to push the car!
Great beast. But i wonder one thing, may be part of the success in the reverse test is due to the car sliding a bit sideways on the rollers and grabbing the edges so it gained grip?? I don't know
Another thing, the test is brilliant, but if you could do some trials in an incline it would be awesome, i know that's what the diagonal test is for, but three wheels with no grip on a small incline or two wheels from the same side...i think that adds for a great test too!
To send the car sideways like that, it needs to send power to the wheel with traction. The WIlderness tends to go sideways more VS other AWD vehicles. Many of them just stay straight, and they never make it past the 3 wheel slip test. We have more coming for this car: Diagonal test, Sand Test, and Off-road diagonal test in natural condition. I take notes of your suggestion and will try to make it happen.
Have people supporting the car on the sides like old school burnouts
Looking at this performance and look back the AWD CVT system since 2016 or earlier, I want to comment that Subaru is progressively improving this piece of work.
Buddy, CVT has to die. It's shit.
@@maxd6663 It's not.
@@Traumatree Enjoy
@@maxd6663 CVT systems are indeed getting better...
Living up to their reputation of being one of the best AWD system’s🤙🏾😎✌🏾
Awd powa
スバルのレガシーアウトバックも進化しているのですね!発売が楽しみです!
Wow! Very impressive AWD system
What a beast!! It’s the best car I’ve ever owned!
Wow, that's gotta be the best performance I have ever seen on a roller, EVER! Subaru rocks!
Check out the Bronco Sport Badlands on TFL
Wait until you see a vehicle with front and rear locking differentials on the roller test. That’ll make the Subaru look like a retard doing a math problem! 😂
they can't even give us a real xmode dial? hate that touch screen.
Maybe u should talk to them about it. Share ur thoughts. How should they know in advance that johnny444 prefers a dial over s screen
@@Asientabs you’re right. Subaru reacted when people first complained the the auto start/stop button was on a different page on the interface. They uploaded an update so the button was permanently on the screen at the bottom. I think they can do the same about the TCS and Xmodes, in permanent view on the screen.
Never mind the x-mode... Those big touch screen might look nice... that is, until you want to use any fonction with your gloves on.
Impressive, for a car with CVT and no low range gear, it’s doing good
low gears wouldn't help more in this test, but for the rest yeah indeed.
Lockable differential would also help.
@@spol1622 Subaru’s system is to directly active the spinning wheel’s brake individually
It’s computer control and not by locking the differential gear..that’s why it got some delay, cause the computer is logically thinking/trying which wheel to be locked(braked)would have best results
But that is another way without using differential lock, outcome is the same, stop the spinning wheel and redirect the engine output to the wheel that have traction
A real downfall to this system is that it relies so much on wheelspin that the car would dig itself deeper in certain situations making it even more stuck. The less time spent spinning, the better.
Turn on X-Mode -_-
that's literally what xmode is for. to control wheel spin and prevent yourself from getting more stuck
I don’t believe that would be the case with a Subaru
@@martinr8278 what? that makes no sense
@mmm vvv234 LSD or a clutch system. Absolutely agree.
Thanks for one more great test. I know that this model should be one of my next vehicle options if it remains on the market in the upcoming 4 years. So I presume the X-Mode is the high tech alternative to the Lock mode in other vehicles like my 2016 Outlander.
The lock mode on most vehicles split the power 50:50 without delay. It doesn't send power to the wheel that needs traction. X-mode is a more complex algorithm and way more performant than some old-school lock mode. Still, I would love to have a rear limited-slip differential like I used to have in my 2001 2.5 RS.
@@CarQuestion you nailed it, most vehicle "lock" modes turn them into a "full-time" AWD 50:50 split, but usually only up to a certain speed...so basically a non-symmetrical Subie LOL.
@@CarQuestion that's not how lock mode works on the Mitsubishi Outlander
@@maithem212 that's not how Subarus awd system works. The only subarus that are 50/50 split are manual transmission WRX and STIs.
Subaru symmetrical AWD only means all the drive axles are the same length.
@@hitthemafia I did not say that Subaru lock 50/50 either
Finally almost as good as the better ones that came out years ago.
Still some other systems are more intelligent and are fully completely automatic.
And cost 25k$ more...
excellent demonstration. Thanks for sharing
On the 3 wheel slip with the front wheel on the ground it looks like the slipping rear tires are sliding over to the edge of your rollers and then gripping off the roller rather than truly testing the AWD traction performance.
Yeah physics will do that dam things to pull the vehicle sideways
Wonder how much the clutch packs were worn down from this test.
They wouldn’t be worn at all. The slippage is through the open differentials and controlled with brakes.
Subaru's awd is pretty robust. The awd components are not a common failure points and generally last the life of the vehicle.
На х моде на газ силнее нажимает, с ролика скатывается и цепляется за края
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I bought one and i enjoy the outback wilderness trim
Great choice
Subaru outback is the best of Bests.
I wander if they still consume oil
On my old Subaru Impreza, you get no movement if you have the two tires on one side (right or left) on a low traction surface, even if there is traction on the other side.
@@ComradeTrace only happens when BOTH wheels of one side are on the slick stuff, not when only one is. I suppose the center front to back diff is ltd slip.
Maybe im wrong, but doesnt subaru pretty much just repackage the same 1-2 engines and AWD system into every vehicle they make? They use their global platform for every single vehicle now except the BRZ. They are all they same friggin thing, just stretched, shrunk, raised or lowered to each models specs. The only AWD system that is truly different is the STI which is user adjustable.
Not in the outback wilderness.
I think that’s good.
Subaru awd system is great, but cvt off road - sucks. Why didn’t they put normal transmission and couple of lockers?
Amazing it can move like this on a slippery flat surface, I wonder how it actually does in the real world up and down some hills?
subs and hit the bell because it's coming soon :)
Watch Driving Sports TV youtube for how the Wilderness does in real world situations.
with X-mode, the car is dragged to the sides and it runs over the roller mounting bar, which does not move and it catches the hook and jumps out. So she would not have left. The test is not indicative.
In our time, there are already systems with wheel braking, and this is already at the level of a computer, not mechanics. With such systems, it is not difficult to leave such rollers.
I am unfamiliar with other vehicles with similar systems, what else may be comparable?
@@icecreammanrocker360 no matter what system. (even VW Tiguan or Prado 150) The computer throws the torque from the slipping wheel, that is, it strangles it and, accordingly, drags the car with better grip.
Now, most new cars in general are capable of this. Where such toys will enter the hill on a diagonal hanging, then frame jeeps will not enter (only with acceleration). And you don't need experience, just push the gas to the floor and the main thing is that the engine has enough power to turn the wheels holding the brakes. The rest was taken care of by the auto developer.
Why is it slipping out to the edges of rollers? Its not going straight in or out of rollers...why? Too much on gas pedal??🤔
When spinning tire loses forward grip vehicle moves on lateral direction which is the least path of resistance. You can see this phenomenon on powerful engine rear wheel drive sports car when rear tire spins out and car rear end begins to fishtail. Rear wheel drive vehicle doing donuts on the parking lot is another perfect example of what happens when tire spins out under power.
Now the question is: can it pass a 4 wheel slip test?
Isn't that what traction-aids are for?
Does xmode even do anything?
Автомобиль сносит с роликов и он цепляется за боковину и выезжает, нужно усовершенствовать конструкцию установив боковые ролики от смещения
Как вариант,да, но если передается тяга на колесо стоящее на асфальте, то автомобиль будет поворачивать, соответственно тяга есть
These test are too easy for the Subaru. You should step it up by testing these rollers on an incline and decline. That would be most likely when you lose traction is going up or down a hill. I have a feeling when the one tire tries to push the Subaru weight up a hill backwards, it's not going to work
we are working on that right now :)
I like the new Wilderness, I just hate the black plastic around the tires.
Полностью согласен с комментами!
У меня был и форик и импреза - старших поколений. Такой тест для этих машин просто смех!!! Жаль марку, Субару была легенда!
Р.С.
Зато приборку красивую сделали (наверное у китайцев прикупили).
Straight to the point. Love it!
There is nothing off road about this thing!!! It’s a lifted economy wagon with some plastic crap on the sides! Subaru people will love it!!
If you live with Jesus and he learn that you used bad Words and that you are blinded by the dark side of the bible... he is not gonna be happy...
Damn you are correct! I will try to choose different words to describe Subaru’s!
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@@CarQuestion Yes Jesus definitely would drive a Subaru!..... In the left lane about 15mph slower than the flow of traffic!😁
In the situation with three rollers and only one front wheel on ground it never moved. After a bit of slippage wheels touch the FRAME of the rollers and only after that car starts to move.
There are other test in real conditions where Subaru completely sucks with its traction control
Yeee
IT works same like Forester 20 years ago
Amazing 😅
Don’t have any accidents requiring you to order any major parts!
You could be waiting 6 months for these!!!!
I have been waiting for a gear selector assembly for nearly this time!!!!!!!
what material are the tow hook covers made of?
Cause the sound of a chain being thrown into a fan from wheel spin, screams longevity and reliability.
It's the sound of the rollers.... not the Outback.
I hear similar sounds when the car loses traction on other channels, off road.
Damn, about as good as it gets.
Nice. I still think Subaru's older systems were better. I owned two older Subaru's and never once got them stuck, now they appear to need the high-end system/model to get even remotely close to being decent.
I still have a Subaru with manual transmission and LSDs which I love. But the new systems definitely have upsides like being lighter and less mechanically complex (behind the transmission). It seems like they have finally gotten performance to match that older, heavier, more expensive system. Which is great news because I finally bought a new model for my wife.
@@Dominick0080 - Good, I hope her new Subaru gives her many trouble-free years. I love Subaru so much and will likely be looking for an older Forester XT with manual in the coming year, that is, unless I decide to the new Ford Maverick, I love that thing!
@@27Zangle yeah I'm planning to checkout a Solterra once they launch. I really want to try out an EV next. Hopefully for both our sakes the chip supply chain will be sorted and used car market comes back to earth in the next 12 months.
@@27Zangle the Maverick does look really cool too. I definitely want to drive one. I'm hesitant to drop the kind of money on a new brand to get a Rivian. But a small to medium sized EV Truck is exactly what I want.
I wish they'd bring the old transfert case for true high/low mode... and while at it, add a locking rear!
- I'd be ready to trade my FJ
Нужно такие же тесты на 30ти градусном склоне провести
Why do you hammer it in x mode 2 when you don't in the other modes lol
I don't hammer it... tcs turns off in xmode 2 vs X-mode 1
А сидушки там такие же деревянные скамейки как в субару форестер 4, 5 поколения?
What is that rachety sound though? Just the rollers spinning or is it coming from the car?
the rollers, not the subi
Движка уже застучала?
I've never owned an awd vehicle but I've owned lots of 4wd vehicles. Is this considered a good test result? I'm not trying to be funny, I'm actually asking because this seemed terrible to me. It barely has any limited slip functionality. Looks like it's basically one front wheel and one rear wheel getting 95% if the power with just a little bit going to the other two.
That's good if you check other videos where we had to push cars off the roller or tow them! SUVs are rare to offer LSD.
Test any year Lexus GX or LX
It’s like watching the TFL channel.
Is that good or bad
Not TFL. It was fairly decent maybe 8 years ago. I stopped subscribing to them a few years ago, horrible. They went off the rails. This was a much better video Put tfl to shame.
Its really impressive but I still think the Honda IVTM4 is better i just hope Subaru keeps improving their tech
The only real advantage the ivtm4 system has is the active torque vectoring. It also doesn't have the same heat capacity as the Subaru system. With that being said, i would certainly count the ivtm4 as a true top tier awd.
Don't know about IVTM4 system I assume it will also pass the tests like this one? Would love to see it.
@@edwardlaw797 He does have a video of the latest gen Acura RDX doing his other test and it did good. The Acura SH-AWD is the Honda ivtm4 system with different logic in order to take more advantage of the torque vectoring rear diff.
Crocodile Dundee would be proud.
Mate.
Loll that’s a good one :)
I have an Onyx 2020 Outback XT and it features the Dual X mode, is it using the same AWD system?
The Dual X mode in the wilderness is different from any other x mode as it's not limited by speed. The gear ratio and tires in a wilderness also changed so it has a bit going for it compared to other Outback models.
I fail to see how this is considered good?
I wonder how a car like the Ford Ranger would do.
What does subaru have against making a vehicle with high clearance?
This has pretty high ground clearance.. more than a Tacoma and about the same as a g wagon
They know that nearly all of the driving will be done on roads. That’s why
where is the 4 wheel slip test :D?
Still on the rollers ;)
осталось найти эти ролики в реальности :D
Икс драйв всех уделал в этом тесте
I like the Wilderness. However, the things I do not like is the Touch Screen and no Manual Transmission Option. Give me normal buttons that do not move and change like they do with a Touch Screen and give me a Manual Transmission Option.
Beautiful car it will sell well👍😁
Im holding out for there truck!!
Why even bother with a normal mode?
X-Mode 1 should be the default normal mode. That way you're far less likely to get stuck in the first place.
@@tinymito yeah but you're never going to think about it while doing something offroad
The speed at which it redirects power. While driving in normal road conditions you want the car to redirect power instantly or while driving at speeds exceeding 30 MPH you want a faster reaction to road conditions. That's why normal X-modes in other Outback models are limited to below 25 MPH before they shut off automatically.
@@joshuacampagna1175 The ideal system would be that, the x-mode would shutdown if you're going to fast, except if the system detects slipping and that the car isn't actually going at that speed (combining gps and speed)
Just wondering if there was any slipping or overheating of the CVT?
None at all
Spoiler : not even in the sand
I've actually offroaded in some very steep terrain for 1h+ in my forester, no cvt overheating, only the engine was getting to some high oil temps sometimes (>105°C) but would come back to normal temps quickly. I've done about 30K more kilometers after that, no cvt problems. I hope they won't happen soon though lol
Not yet...
Nope! even at 3000m of altitude with 4 persons and fully loaded up to a trail, cvt didn't overheated. PS. mine is a 2014 2.0 diesel turbo outback with TR-640 CVT (147.000 kilometers on it)
Where I can buy that fender kit?
41k on the new outback wilderness
Well looks like the tires have some air out of them
No they don’t they flex more
Why the masive acceleration?
when? where? except in X-mode 2, TCS is NEVER turned off.
@@CarQuestion Your throttle is way harder than the test with the Bronco Sport.
@@ABXPONCE yess maybe the Bronco Sport requires less throttle while X-mode 2 turns off TCS. But we use the power needed to get off the rollers.
Subaru are best in the world
Посмотрите тест полноприводных машин, там аут в горку даже не может заехать, там вроде проблема в вариаторах
I'm disappointed by why there was no test with all 4 wheels on platforms 🗿
The only reason it works when 1 wheel got traction, its because the car slips and then grips on the side of the rollers
Офигенный! Но ценник космос ваще :( для моего образе жизни, задач и т.д. - самое то автомобиль был бы! На рыбалку, в горы на сноуборде покататься - да и вообще для Сибири самое то 👍🏻😎
Here, take my money!!!
XMODE ONLY ON A FEW SUBERUS YOU ALSO NEED WINTER TIRES IN SNOW
I hear this really awful sound a lot in the video is this from the rollers or is this like differential noise
Rollers make noise as they get abused
This doesn't look any different than any other Outback performing this test. They handle wonderfully in snow/ light trails but until Subaru goes to a locking diff it's always going to be just a decent but not great off-roader. To see what I mean, look up Sarah N Tuned's review of the Wilderness.
I believe the theory is that Subaru knows most of the people buying their cars are going to spend most of their time on the road. Subaru’s AWD system is more than excellent on the road. Subaru isn’t nearly as big of a manufacturer as Chrysler or GM or Toyota so it’s harder for them to meet global government gas mileage constraints. This means that besides most of their cars being used on the road they also have to make them fuel efficient. Locking differentials add weight and rob engine power which translates to lower miles per gallon.
@@porsche558 For about 99% of the average buyers, it's more than capable. I often see them on logging roads, no issues.
- If it had better approach/departure angles (and locking diff), I would consider it.
Херня, нужны реальные тесты. Да и смысл это делать на горизонтальной поверхности, все проблемы в основном начинаются при движении в гору по грязи, снегу или льду.
А там это гавно будет как и другие понторезки, зато полный привод как люди считают
Да в реальных условиях всё по другому.
Well that's a little bit disappointing. I hoped the Outback would not stutter even if only 1 wheel had traction. I daily drive an STI, so maybe my expectations are a little too high.
In daily driving, what are the odd that you will have zero traction on 3 wheels? Even icy roads will provide more traction than a roller.
@Michel T The odds are pretty high, going 90+ MPH over puddles, in a location that rains 150 days out of the year.
@@setoman1 AWD will not get you out of hydroplaning... That's what TCS/ABS are for.😉 and unless you are alone on a private road, you might want to slow down
@Michel T AWD and TCS work in tandem. And sure it will. A robust AWD system, especially one with a center diff lock, will help regain traction while hydroplaning.
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great video ,
I can see that tires pressure is way between 15 to 20 psi. So it seems that you Lowered tire pressure to get more grip (cheating).
If you asked me how did i know, you can clearly see the tires bouncing like sponge.
Oem pressure
Tires are just flexing more than usual
We never test anything outside the oem specs
So you might want to revise your analysis
Not a complete test. Didn't test with 4 wheels on rollers.
I see what you did there. :)
Personally, I take the extra step of opening up the back and putting rollers under the spare.
th-cam.com/video/CMhEW-ei-pE/w-d-xo.html
Suzuki did 3rollers 10 years ago )
Судя по видеоролику трансмиссию доработали.
Subaru really needs to make an enthusiast level off-road SUV. Something that competes more with the Jeeps and Bronco and the Tacoma, etc. The outback would be a great starting platform. Just ditch the CVT and get some better goodies underneath it
Right now they are selling them as fast as they can make them, so something that makes subarus MORE popular isn't such a hot idea.
У меня Forester предыдущего поколения без всяких X-mode. Глядя на это видео мне стыдно за Субару и больно на это смотреть.
Lexus NX 2022 AWD test please!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
А на 4 ролика поставить роликов не хватило ? Чем это может удивить ?
Way too many spins before the other side kicks in, will be dug into snow or mud on the spinning side.
Can someone explain to me how this is better than traditional limited slip differentials? I will concede that my wife's 2013 2.5i Outback has a notably tighter turn radius than my 2007 WRX, but it seems that the electronic nannies have to protect the Outback's CVT from overheating/ grenading. I guess I'm an analog man and stuck in my ways of mechanical diffs and manual locking hubs 😅 edit: I know this is testing the Outback's AWD system and not driver technique, but maybe adding slight brake pressure to create artificial "traction" would make the slipping wheels slow down and transfer power to the wheel with traction.
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