@@Skylda Subaru is full time AWD (4 wheels in motion)! X mode ,for example, is for getting out of a snowbank or descending (5 miles/h or 10km /h) a slippery road. Sorry for my writting english!
Interesting field test. Definitely proves the point of applied technology in different awd platforms. I've owned a GC8 many years ago and now the wife and I own a 2018 Outback Touring 3.6R. it's truly an amazing car all around. We drove about an hour from home to Buck Rock up in the Sequoia Mountains. Got a little lost on a trail that turned out to be way trickier than we thought, ended up in a spot where only built 4x4s go. Got greeted by some good ole boys who thought we might need a tow. But, nope. She crawled right out after making a tight u-turn on an embankment and I know if were in my truck or Sorento, we'd be screwed. But man...this thing is can do it all.
Agreed! It's almost shockingly fast once we are at highway speeds. Plus, the paddle shifters are quite handy. We've relocated to North Carolina and I've switched to the new Michelin Climate 2s which handle the icy roads and snow when we get it just fine. I'm thinking of getting a summer set of Pilot Sport Cups on another set of OEM wheels. But it's performance and reliability over the last 5 years has been great. Other than the head unit which seems to be a problem across the board. Honestly, I'd be happy swapping this engine into an old GC8/6 with a simple STi 6-speed. But this engine deserves more respect. Felt much more responsive than the turbo option we test drove. I'm sure others would disagree with me but after 5 years, this engine just feels like it's broken in and actually pulls quite hard wide open. @@richardlove4287
Excellent choices. I hope to get a Subaru as my next car for long term ownership. Not sure which one yet, but leaning towards the XV (Crosstrek in UK).
Two different AWD systems. Subaru AWD is designed for wheel symmetry making it a beast handling any type of off road or snowy conditions. Audi AWD is designed for a sportier feel leveraging power to the wheels that have the most traction which is why it sucks when 3 of the wheels are on rollers. All down to personal preference on the type of driving you normally do but both are A+ systems compared to the field
Its not the awd system that is different is just the differentials that turn the axles. The Subaru’s LSD (limited slip differential) is simply better than the audi’s if it even has an lsd.
@@issavibez394Subaru grew doing rally. I don’t know what’s feminine about it. All these cars are rally ready out of the factory. That’s not something for ladies
My Legacy 3.0R was climbing very steep hills in the snow with 2 bald tyres this winter. every other car was stuck on the flats and most 4x4 drivers were struggling on average gradients. Says it all for me....I have 2 Subaru's and will stick with them
That story only tells me you're a horrible and dangerous driver. Bald tires in the snow? That's dangerous for other drivers and you can't stop as well. I'm realizing from these comments how slow Subaru owners are.
yeah subaru is better no doubt. but audi quattro (2008 a5) will do fine in winter conditions. on ice it still bulls good and i didnt manage to get it stuck. so i wouldnt say its bad. just not as good as the mighti subaru. 😀
I wish my Subaru had a locking diff in the front. It already goes like a tank in the snow and safely in the ice. Weight distribution on Subaru's are king.
Good video. No BS, just test. I'd also like to see these same tests on inclines, to see if the one wheel has enough torque to get you up a hill (like if you're driving up a snow-covered or icy driveway or live in the mountains). Another way to simulate this may be just to put a brick under the wheel with traction. I have seen, for example, a video of a subaru which wasn't losing too much traction but couldn't get over an exposed root on a steep hill off road (wheels just stopped spinning, even with X-mode) bc system couldn't/wouldn't transfer enough torque. To get over obstacle or up steep hills is not only a question of shifting power to wheels with grip but of how much power can be shifted.
Abe I do tests only on flat ground, it allows for comparison like this one. However rollers itself create kind of uphill cause they are not flat, car needs to climb up to get out of them.
@@migs8361 Both cars have more than enough traction to move forward, besides both are about 1700 kg. Tyres are very similar, they sit in rollers almost the same.
And this was with X-mode turned off! Subaru awd system is the best in the world. Now if someone would just build a 1967 resto-mod mustang or camaro with a subaru awd system....oh boy that would be killer.
Ok, thanks. Yeah, I'm curious how the new ones compare to the old ones, and how the WRX/Sti compare to other subies. I like your videos though, so just keep doing them with whatever cars you can get.
I was very impressed when i saw how much faster the subie reacted! I mean quattro is decent but japan is japan...no one can beat it in terms of car industry.
MAN IN BLACK Correct. You just need to know how to use it. In previous generation (C6) you also need to turn ASR off, otherwise car will stuck even on two rollers (cause rpm is limited to ~900 rpm, not enough for traction control to work effectively).
I was talking about with the ESP on.. Not saying that the quattro is not good, but in this comparison Subaru wins for me.. Should try xDrive vs quattro nex time!
Johnny There is no doubt that traction control in Audi isn't as fast as in Subaru. And it can be even faster if you turn x-mode on. But both cars passed all tests, in a different way.
Audi did it good, subaru did it better. Audi looks 10x better, but if you want a car for the winter that will plow through pretty much everything I guess Subaru is to go, if you want a luxury car with very good comfort and stability in the winter, go for an Audi I'm getting a Sti gen 3 the up coming weeks and im HYPED for this winter to see how real 50/50 Awd feels, never had one before :)
I've had both the Subaru Legacy and an Audi A6 Quattro. I still think the Subaru had the better AWD system although in real life conditions it's very close.
Owning both a b7 a4 2.0t Quattro and a 07 wrx sti, my Sti edges the Audi in terms of breaking loose less with both same tires. Regardless I’ve never got stuck with either both are excellent and Honda with the sh-awd is catching up lol
Just remember AWD does not make you stop any better than others, I love Subaru, very good car, very good price. My 2011 legacy now has 98,000 miles on it still going.
Ok, so I've always had this question about Subarus. Why is Subaru's awd full time (always on) instead of part time (only when needed). I went to their website and it only talks about why their system is the best or better than others. Wouldn't part time be more fuel efficient? I, for one only need it in heavy snow (few months in the winter) other than that, if I could turn it off to save fuel, it would be really cool!
Jonathan S Full time awd is one of the biggest (if not the biggest) marketing factors of Subaru brand. However majority of new models (with CVT transmissions) are very very close to part time awd systems.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers yeah but why doesn't subaru just make it fully part time or better with let the user control it with the switch of a button. Why is full time so great. I think BMW's x series has a part time one and does a better job while being more fuel efficient.
@@jonathans4503 I think it doesn't fit their ideology/marketing. They must be full time awd. Personally I also prefer systems where driver can choose between awd and 2wd (or at least some fuel efficient awd mode). Powering all wheels all the time doesn't make any sense in standard car.
@@jonathans4503 the reason is maximum traction. A system that's only engaging when the wheels has broken free has already started to lose momentum and need to reduce power to search for new traction. In a low traction situations you're not even playing catchup to symmetrical awd, your just crossing your fingers and hoping your getting up the hill at all. Maybe your car start sliding backwards and into the traffic behind you because their not keeping a safe distance.
Nice way to point out Subaru has always had an advantage with their awd system in this way The drawback to the Subaru system however is that it depends on electronic control and viscous couplings. Break a wire somewhere or lose an abs sensor and the awd system either becomes disabled or goes haywire. Audi uses mechanical torsen differentials, you would have to physically destroy the differential internals to lose awd functionality.
That's interesting, although i've never heard of that happening with anyone with a subaru i do know someone that had their audi turn into a doorstop however (engine seized)
Subaru 1 Audi (and all those using GKN AWD) 0 If your drives include snow, icy hill & driveway, take Subaru If you have money to toss, brand chasing and live south of snow belt, well, go for the lesser and less capable one.
Hey look, someone who can't afford an Audi. Not being an Audi fanboy or anything but if somebody buys an Audi, it doesn't mean that he "tosses money away". You're paying for build quality, design, technology, interior, etc... Yeah the Subaru won the AWD test on rollers, does it make it a better car ? Of course not. You probably wouldn't notice the difference in real world situation like 95% of the time because both systems are actually really good. It all depends on what you're looking for.
The real test would be to place the vehicle on an ice skating rink. Hose it down so the ice is the same for each vehicle Tie a rope to the center of the rear bumper on the vehicle and useing a large fishing scale see how much they can pull and Even that may vary depending on the weight of each vehicle
@Martin Evans That elitist argument becomes harder to make with the Touring XT versions of Outback and Legacy. Put Napa leather and EyeSight in a Subaru, and Audi starts to look like it's only riding on aesthetics and a 40yo racing reputation.
AWD in A6 C7 is the same, no matter what engine you choose. Outback has more traction oriented awd system while A6 has more performance oriented awd system.
Its rocking action that has to do with the gas pedal being played with that causes that back and forth momentum which inevitably gets the spinning tire to catch the frame on the roller and it gains forward traction. The rollers would have to be placed precisely and affixed to the ground , and even then the rocking action caused by pedal manipulation can still get the vehicle to lurch back and forth until a tire catches the fixed edge of the rollers frame and send it forward.
duszaniespokojna I will check out the link. I've been interested in the Subarus drive system for years. Saw a video last week where they had some deep mud and the subaru got thru it over and over again and all the big 4 wd trucks with big tires got stuck and had to be pulled thru. The little Subaru put them to shame xD
Hey, how would air lockers compare to Subarus electronic Limited slip differential. Which system is better in terms of a much quicker response in minimizing slip?
Edu.G I'm not sure what you mean. Air lockers are for offroad, they lock the diffs and that's all. When it comes to Subaru - what electronic limited slip diff you mean? For front and rear diffs they use only brake based systems (in the past they used lsd at rear). For center diff they use clutch instead of diff or a diff integrated with clutch in some models. Or mechanical LSD, but this one is already finishing its carieer.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers O.K. what am trying to say is that both air lockers and limited slip differential serve to minimize slip, considering that the vehicle is a rear wheel drive. Which is better?
I have the A6 Quatto 2015, super impressed with the Subaru AWD system, seems to be slightly better than the Quatto system, to me either one gets the job done! Win Win siuation...
Guys, remember. Every awd system is different. They are made for different applications. But the best, imo, is Subaru's Symmetrical AWD. Nothing beats it
Comparing vehicles with vastly different price ranges may not be entirely fair, but despite that, the Outback outperforms the Quattro. You can buy Outback starting from $36,000 CAD today.
Tomáš Opletal, exactly, SUBARU is ranked among the top 3 safest car-manufacturers at the moment according to EURONCAP... even audi's safety is below Subaru's rating :D
Flame Scorpion, because Subaru is safer, more reliable, has better AWD system and has a better value for money? Audi fanboys and their pathetic excuses :D
I've owned an Audi A4 and a Subaru, and both were very capable in snowy, icy Minnesota winters, with snow tires, of course. Where Subaru shines as a brand is that every model has the same AWD system, no need to research Audi's confusing use of different Torsen and Haldex systems in different models. Although Subaru wins for me (I ditched the Audi after the heater core blew), Audi's use of galvanized steel is superior to most other brands for durability. The 20-year old Audi I used to have had only a dime size of rust on the whole thing. My 10-year old Subaru keeps me spraying rust killer and stuggling with rusty bolts. Wish I could buy an A6 with a 3.6 flat six boxer engine :)
Shawn Pearson Not every model of Subaru has the same awd system, in non-sport versions it is like in Audi - center diff or clutch pack. Depends on type of gearbox.
i think Subaru’s AWD is more outdoor oriented, while Audi’s quattro is for better grip, agility and handling for road surface. Thats why Subaru performed better in harsh situations
Nice test but it's important to note that the Subaru AWD isn't mechanically any better. It's still got open diffs on both ends with no mechanical lockers. That's not to say it's not impressive however. Where they've got everyone beat is in software. The VDC sees that 3 wheels are spinning and one isn't, so it applies the brakes to the spinning wheels to send torque to the one with grip. Sounds simple but it's actually pretty difficult to do effectively. They use the same tech for the active torque vectoring on the WRX since it doesn't have DCCD like the STI.
CJRhoades The truth is that nowadays all 'awd wars' are about software, including not only braking, but also active torque split via clutches instead of center diffd.
CJRhoades It is good to point such things out. Sometimes two technically identical systems behaves totally different (for example haldex-based awd), all up to software.
Now it is clear why I saw so many Subaru Outback's and Forresters in Alaska. Not only do they run forever, the AWD system is definitely good for extreme conditions.
How would you say this translates into road or track performance? From what I've seen so far on your channel, this AWD system on the Subaru seems to be by far the best in low-grip scenarios.
There is no correlation between roller tests and track performance. Road or offroad - yes, when you need to start in slippery conditions or climb a hill. I am preparing video with examples of fails on rollers and their reflection in real conditions. Subaru is one of the best in these tests, among Jeep, Suzuki, Tesla.
Why buy a car for good looks? You can't see it when you drive it. I buy engineering and reliability (when was the last time you saw a Sub on the side of the road with the bonnet up?)...and resale value. Enough said
mechanically the awd systems are almost identical. the difference is the traction control. subaru applies brakes allowing power to be transferred to the wheel with traction. you can do this manually by lightly pressing the brake pedal.
Audi A7 From "Warranty Direct" and "What Car?" reliability ratings. Here is the last one from September 2018: 1. Suzuki 2. Lexus 3. Toyota 4. Kia - Mitsubishi - Subaru (same rating) 7. Skoda 8. Alfa Romeo 9. Hyundai 10. Seat ........ 20. Audi Some people like to spend the time on driving their cars, some people like to drink coffee while sitting in service waiting room for repair of their cars.
Audi A7 Nope, not a shitty list. That's a list showing the truth, research was made on 18 000 cars. It is really not my fault that Audi is far away from reliable. Seat or Skoda do not have so "much more advanced components" as Audi, that's probably they got better result.
Audi A7 That is not MY list, but British "What Car?". Another one made by Warranty Direct (ooohh and they MUST know reliability very well...) is very similar. I don't have any problem with that, but I see you have huge one, so go and fight with that, I don't really care.
What are we looking at here? I think it would be hugely beneficial and informative, of course, to include the year, chassis code, motor, optional equipment, and type of AWD systems being used. What kind of diff? How many? What kind? I mean, surely you guys know snd have all that info when performing these tests. Who do you provide that i info to? This channel can’t be the only, uhh, channel by which you funnel your work? Is it all published somewhere as well? Anyway, thst info posted here in the description would be amazing! That way all the “know it all” TH-cam warriors would have nothing to lie and pretend to know about. And I would just like to know as I’m an Audi Addict!
Basic info is in description - production year, engine, transmission. AWD systems - torsen in Audi, multiplate clutch-pack in Subaru. We publish a little bit more info on channel community tab and on our Facebook page but discussions with viewers are what we like the most 🙂
I have a new Subaru Outback and is great on snow but the build quality and materials don't even come close to Audi. Same with ride and handling. Both cars are great on snow and with winter tires they can go anywhere. Audi is for more demanding people who can pay $50k for a premium car. Subaru is best for people who can't afford a $50k car.
n8834 Sorry, I’m going to disagree! Took apart 03’ Audi all road when doing timing belt/ water pump. Everything I touched either almost broke, broke, or cracked. I’m so glad I sold it at a huge loss. Japan designs a much better vehicle.
JJJ SMITH .. a 2003. That's long in the tooth. What was its history? Good maintenance? Taken care of? Any car would fall apart if not taken care of. I had a timing belt pulley blow apart on a Forrester while cruising on the highway. A PLASTIC timing belt pulley. PLASTIC on an interference engine. Not quality to me. Their AWD system is good for sure. Just not their tech and quality. It is was it is.
Francis Grabetz Year doesn’t matter in this situation. The whole engine compartment was manufactured with plastics. History wasn’t the best but not too bad. Replaced everything myself with oil leaks, breaking plastic parts, all very expensive to replace all the time. Was the pulley aftermarket? Never heard of factory timing pulley made of plastic. Bought 03’ outback with H-6 After Audi and although a lot of things were wrong, I spent not even half the money and nothing has broken outside of the radiator which I replaced factory for around 200.
excuse me there's more than awd... you guys can't judge a car just because another specific car has better grip than another specific car ... another thing to consider its the weight of the car, the length and the condtion of the tires...
Helder Paulo atleast Subaru doesn’t use fake exhaust tips. It also is a brand that does what she wants, it isn’t a mainstream brand that takes over the design from german brands like other Asian carbrands do. You can see here who’s boss in terms of drivetrain. I like Subaru because it’s different, and I like it cause I can still do the speedlimit when there is a meter of snow. :)
I have an Outback (2014 2.5 CVT), my wife has a 2013 TDI Q7. Where we live is mountainous and we get a lot of snow and ice. I manage to get stuck a few times each winter, my wife never gets stuck. Both cars have winter tires. Her car is nice, my car is just basic transportation.
There's way more factors involved in this, you can only really compare the two with the same driver. As a male you more prone to taking chances etc. Not a level comparison.
Audi A6 Allroad vs Subaru Outback: th-cam.com/video/pOWsu7NnLfQ/w-d-xo.html
I’m an Quattro guy but damn Subaru just owns it and Subies X mode was off as well. Two well respect systems from rally, off-road, and to the streets.
Agreed, Quattro and Subies symmetrical awd are the best around.
iam a dumb guy when it comes to car. can you explain that? was is X mode? so you tell us the subaru was only 2wd not 4wd in this video?
@@Skylda all subarus with the exception of the brz are symmetrical all wheel drive. Symmetrical meaning all the axles are the same length
@@Skylda Subaru is full time AWD (4 wheels in motion)! X mode ,for example, is for getting out of a snowbank or descending (5 miles/h or 10km /h) a slippery road. Sorry for my writting english!
@@didierdelobel8663 so subaru with x mode is better to get out of snow or driving slow thorugh snow?
I appreciate Subaru for his wonderful engineering.
Os Paladin yep, that Subaru dude is guru
@@gerrett108 useless in real conditions th-cam.com/video/kv_wKK1rM2I/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=SUVBattle
Interesting field test. Definitely proves the point of applied technology in different awd platforms. I've owned a GC8 many years ago and now the wife and I own a 2018 Outback Touring 3.6R. it's truly an amazing car all around. We drove about an hour from home to Buck Rock up in the Sequoia Mountains. Got a little lost on a trail that turned out to be way trickier than we thought, ended up in a spot where only built 4x4s go. Got greeted by some good ole boys who thought we might need a tow. But, nope. She crawled right out after making a tight u-turn on an embankment and I know if were in my truck or Sorento, we'd be screwed. But man...this thing is can do it all.
I have the exact same outback….it’s a fantastic piece of kit. It makes everything look easy and has a good turn of speed about it if needed.
Agreed! It's almost shockingly fast once we are at highway speeds. Plus, the paddle shifters are quite handy. We've relocated to North Carolina and I've switched to the new Michelin Climate 2s which handle the icy roads and snow when we get it just fine. I'm thinking of getting a summer set of Pilot Sport Cups on another set of OEM wheels. But it's performance and reliability over the last 5 years has been great. Other than the head unit which seems to be a problem across the board. Honestly, I'd be happy swapping this engine into an old GC8/6 with a simple STi 6-speed. But this engine deserves more respect. Felt much more responsive than the turbo option we test drove. I'm sure others would disagree with me but after 5 years, this engine just feels like it's broken in and actually pulls quite hard wide open. @@richardlove4287
@@MirisDesignStudio Wow, that's some history :D
Just brought my second Subaru and love the awd
15 crosstrek and now 18 outback
Excellent choices. I hope to get a Subaru as my next car for long term ownership. Not sure which one yet, but leaning towards the XV (Crosstrek in UK).
Im an audi owner and subaru/audi enthusiast. This vid was badass, thanks for the upload.
Two different AWD systems. Subaru AWD is designed for wheel symmetry making it a beast handling any type of off road or snowy conditions. Audi AWD is designed for a sportier feel leveraging power to the wheels that have the most traction which is why it sucks when 3 of the wheels are on rollers. All down to personal preference on the type of driving you normally do but both are A+ systems compared to the field
Wow the Subaro is quite impressive.... I didn´t thought that theres so much of a difference
Oliver Lasch The Subaru was effortless
+Jaes Carroll
"i didn't thought" lol
Sameee
Its not the awd system that is different is just the differentials that turn the axles. The Subaru’s LSD (limited slip differential) is simply better than the audi’s if it even has an lsd.
This is why I drive an Outback. I drive on hilly, mountainous terrain and the Outback drives well, especially in the winter months.
That car is very feminine looking
@@issavibez394Subaru grew doing rally. I don’t know what’s feminine about it. All these cars are rally ready out of the factory. That’s not something for ladies
Wow. Awesome video. Thanks.
At first it seemed silly but turned out to be one of the best tests I have seen.
Dilshan Fernando Thanks. Check my channel, there are many cars tested on rollers and new ones coming soon.
My Legacy 3.0R was climbing very steep hills in the snow with 2 bald tyres this winter. every other car was stuck on the flats and most 4x4 drivers were struggling on average gradients. Says it all for me....I have 2 Subaru's and will stick with them
Only an idiot would brag about climbing steep snowy hills with bald tires.
3 points on the license for each tyre if below the legal limit.
That story only tells me you're a horrible and dangerous driver. Bald tires in the snow? That's dangerous for other drivers and you can't stop as well. I'm realizing from these comments how slow Subaru owners are.
yeah subaru is better no doubt. but audi quattro (2008 a5) will do fine in winter conditions. on ice it still bulls good and i didnt manage to get it stuck. so i wouldnt say its bad. just not as good as the mighti subaru. 😀
I wish my Subaru had a locking diff in the front. It already goes like a tank in the snow and safely in the ice. Weight distribution on Subaru's are king.
can add it - lsd
Good video. No BS, just test. I'd also like to see these same tests on inclines, to see if the one wheel has enough torque to get you up a hill (like if you're driving up a snow-covered or icy driveway or live in the mountains). Another way to simulate this may be just to put a brick under the wheel with traction. I have seen, for example, a video of a subaru which wasn't losing too much traction but couldn't get over an exposed root on a steep hill off road (wheels just stopped spinning, even with X-mode) bc system couldn't/wouldn't transfer enough torque. To get over obstacle or up steep hills is not only a question of shifting power to wheels with grip but of how much power can be shifted.
Abe I do tests only on flat ground, it allows for comparison like this one. However rollers itself create kind of uphill cause they are not flat, car needs to climb up to get out of them.
Ok, no worries, just a suggestion (easy to put a brick under a tire), but I see your point about rollers.
Subaru symmetrical vs Audi Quattro, Subaru is winner clearly, even if X-Mode off
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Im an audi fan, but audi got destroyed on this one lmao
SUV bigger tires and more weight = more traction
@@migs8361 Both cars have more than enough traction to move forward, besides both are about 1700 kg. Tyres are very similar, they sit in rollers almost the same.
@@migs8361, besides, that's not even an SUV.
Audi got destroyed
And this was with X-mode turned off! Subaru awd system is the best in the world. Now if someone would just build a 1967 resto-mod mustang or camaro with a subaru awd system....oh boy that would be killer.
Oh, and I'd also love to see you compare different subaru AWD systems (viscous coupling vs clutch patch vs planetary center diff in WRX, etc.).
Abe This is hobby channel, so I don't have easy access to cars... Besides new Subarus are no longer available with viscous coupling diff...
Ok, thanks. Yeah, I'm curious how the new ones compare to the old ones, and how the WRX/Sti compare to other subies. I like your videos though, so just keep doing them with whatever cars you can get.
No comment, video says it all
The Subaru magic so fascinating
I was very impressed when i saw how much faster the subie reacted!
I mean quattro is decent but japan is japan...no one can beat it in terms of car industry.
haha where are the quattro fans, bravoo Subaru
Johnny In fact, Audi did quite well but with ESP turned off.
MAN IN BLACK Correct. You just need to know how to use it. In previous generation (C6) you also need to turn ASR off, otherwise car will stuck even on two rollers (cause rpm is limited to ~900 rpm, not enough for traction control to work effectively).
I was talking about with the ESP on.. Not saying that the quattro is not good, but in this comparison Subaru wins for me.. Should try xDrive vs quattro nex time!
Johnny There is no doubt that traction control in Audi isn't as fast as in Subaru. And it can be even faster if you turn x-mode on. But both cars passed all tests, in a different way.
Yeah, but why you have to deactivate the ESP to make it work? Subaru works with the ESP turned on. If Subaru works with ESP on, why Audi shouldn't?
Audi did it good, subaru did it better. Audi looks 10x better, but if you want a car for the winter that will plow through pretty much everything I guess Subaru is to go, if you want a luxury car with very good comfort and stability in the winter, go for an Audi
I'm getting a Sti gen 3 the up coming weeks and im HYPED for this winter to see how real 50/50 Awd feels, never had one before :)
Very neat to see it work. Love my subaru. Started with a 2002 legacy. Ditched it for a turbocharged 2005. Love em.
Gotta love those outbacks
I have forester same, reliable.
€40000 vs €25000 omg
A4 Price 15k
new A6 quattro is €50,000+ and Outback is €39,000
I love my Subaru even more after watching this video
if i good understand your test , so subaru win vs audi ?
Audrius Gedrimas Traction control is faster in Subaru, but both cars pass all tests, so for me there is no winner/loser.
Audrius Gedrimas duh
duszaniespokojna so getting stuck in place is a good thing?
Angealswings Who claims it is?
I've had both the Subaru Legacy and an Audi A6 Quattro. I still think the Subaru had the better AWD system although in real life conditions it's very close.
Which one would you say has the best planted feel around corners?
@@dimprabowo The Audi.
@@dimprabowosubaru, of the boxer engine and better balance
You're tests are very good and accurate
Keep on doing these nice tests
Owning both a b7 a4 2.0t Quattro and a 07 wrx sti, my Sti edges the Audi in terms of breaking loose less with both same tires. Regardless I’ve never got stuck with either both are excellent and Honda with the sh-awd is catching up lol
WRX STI has much more advanced awd system than both cars from this test 🙂
Wow, always heard Audi had the paragon of production car AWD systems.
I own a Subaru so yay.
中々、興味深い比較でした
Just remember AWD does not make you stop any better than others, I love Subaru, very good car, very good price. My 2011 legacy now has 98,000 miles on it still going.
Advantage thanks to the symmetrical awd😆
Ok, so I've always had this question about Subarus. Why is Subaru's awd full time (always on) instead of part time (only when needed). I went to their website and it only talks about why their system is the best or better than others. Wouldn't part time be more fuel efficient? I, for one only need it in heavy snow (few months in the winter) other than that, if I could turn it off to save fuel, it would be really cool!
Jonathan S Full time awd is one of the biggest (if not the biggest) marketing factors of Subaru brand. However majority of new models (with CVT transmissions) are very very close to part time awd systems.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers yeah but why doesn't subaru just make it fully part time or better with let the user control it with the switch of a button. Why is full time so great. I think BMW's x series has a part time one and does a better job while being more fuel efficient.
@@jonathans4503 I think it doesn't fit their ideology/marketing. They must be full time awd. Personally I also prefer systems where driver can choose between awd and 2wd (or at least some fuel efficient awd mode). Powering all wheels all the time doesn't make any sense in standard car.
@@jonathans4503 the reason is maximum traction. A system that's only engaging when the wheels has broken free has already started to lose momentum and need to reduce power to search for new traction. In a low traction situations you're not even playing catchup to symmetrical awd, your just crossing your fingers and hoping your getting up the hill at all. Maybe your car start sliding backwards and into the traffic behind you because their not keeping a safe distance.
@@vectraB97 You are missing one thing - majority of new, proactive awd systems power all wheels before any risk of lower traction may appear.
Nice way to point out Subaru has always had an advantage with their awd system in this way
The drawback to the Subaru system however is that it depends on electronic control and viscous couplings. Break a wire somewhere or lose an abs sensor and the awd system either becomes disabled or goes haywire.
Audi uses mechanical torsen differentials, you would have to physically destroy the differential internals to lose awd functionality.
That's interesting, although i've never heard of that happening with anyone with a subaru
i do know someone that had their audi turn into a doorstop however (engine seized)
We own both, both great cars to own up here in the great white north. Subaru is better off road but on road they are both good
Subaru 1 Audi (and all those using GKN AWD) 0
If your drives include snow, icy hill & driveway, take Subaru
If you have money to toss, brand chasing and live south of snow belt, well, go for the lesser and less capable one.
Sorcerer Stone It is not the point of GKN, but individual software. There are awd systems based on GKN which are on top level.
Hey look, someone who can't afford an Audi. Not being an Audi fanboy or anything but if somebody buys an Audi, it doesn't mean that he "tosses money away". You're paying for build quality, design, technology, interior, etc... Yeah the Subaru won the AWD test on rollers, does it make it a better car ? Of course not. You probably wouldn't notice the difference in real world situation like 95% of the time because both systems are actually really good. It all depends on what you're looking for.
The real test would be to place the vehicle on an ice skating rink.
Hose it down so the ice is the same for each vehicle
Tie a rope to the center of the rear bumper on the vehicle
and useing a large fishing scale see how much they can pull
and Even that may vary depending on the weight of each vehicle
Alternate title for video:
*BUY A SUBARU*
Why would by a overpriced volkswagen when you can buy good japanese car?
Dude this is like bmw vs audi but subaru i mean that s a whole new level of *awesome* and *4x4*
@Martin Evans That elitist argument becomes harder to make with the Touring XT versions of Outback and Legacy. Put Napa leather and EyeSight in a Subaru, and Audi starts to look like it's only riding on aesthetics and a 40yo racing reputation.
@@evokki0075 enjoy your glass transmissions.
@@evokki0075knock knock head gasket
On 4 cylinders motors, the AWD is not the same with the 3.0 v6 quattro system
Which is better? Which has the best traction?
AWD in A6 C7 is the same, no matter what engine you choose.
Outback has more traction oriented awd system while A6 has more performance oriented awd system.
Facelift Audi A6 AllRoad vs Subaru Outback
Which is better? Which has the best traction?
Its rocking action that has to do with the gas pedal being played with that causes that back and forth momentum which inevitably gets the spinning tire to catch the frame on the roller and it gains forward traction. The rollers would have to be placed precisely and affixed to the ground , and even then the rocking action caused by pedal manipulation can still get the vehicle to lurch back and forth until a tire catches the fixed edge of the rollers frame and send it forward.
Blocked User Edge of the roller doesn't help much, check this outtake of Mazda test: th-cam.com/video/H_lM_vXwRSo/w-d-xo.html
duszaniespokojna I will check out the link. I've been interested in the Subarus drive system for years. Saw a video last week where they had some deep mud and the subaru got thru it over and over again and all the big 4 wd trucks with big tires got stuck and had to be pulled thru. The little Subaru put them to shame xD
SUBARU No.1
JAPAN quality
Built in the USA (Lafayette, IN)
American factory
With Japanese Engine and Transmission
Michael Lewis W American production
rx400h 2008 Ive 2 Tribecas..... badassery. Made in America.... aint yo daddys ford though
How would an STI model will do in a test like this since it has limited slip differenential front and rear and a locking center ?
Alex Betancourt Like this th-cam.com/video/MCqiawRJIa8/w-d-xo.html
Love my Outback🖖
Hey, how would air lockers compare to Subarus electronic Limited slip differential.
Which system is better in terms of a much quicker response in minimizing slip?
Edu.G I'm not sure what you mean. Air lockers are for offroad, they lock the diffs and that's all.
When it comes to Subaru - what electronic limited slip diff you mean? For front and rear diffs they use only brake based systems (in the past they used lsd at rear). For center diff they use clutch instead of diff or a diff integrated with clutch in some models. Or mechanical LSD, but this one is already finishing its carieer.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers
O.K. what am trying to say is that both air lockers and limited slip differential serve to minimize slip, considering that the vehicle is a rear wheel drive.
Which is better?
Edu.G Depends on needs. You can't drive in normal or slippery conditions with lockers. That's for offroad applications. LSD exactly the opposite.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers
Thanks for the answer, keep up the good work
I love my Subaru. Audi are really beautiful cars but I want just AWD on my car!
i own a subaru forester 2002 for almost 6 months, and never got stuck with a subaru but towed past 6 months 4 times my friends audi quattro
I have the A6 Quatto 2015, super impressed with the Subaru AWD system, seems to be slightly better than the Quatto system, to me either one gets the job done! Win Win siuation...
Which is better? Which has the best traction?
@@claudiu-razvanrus725subaru
yesterday i was stuck in snow. i never thought about turn off esp and give more gas. i should try that next time.
Guys, remember. Every awd system is different. They are made for different applications.
But the best, imo, is Subaru's Symmetrical AWD.
Nothing beats it
Love my outback and wrx.
Great video thanks for the upload!
where do you get these stands? i would like to see the outback against vw/audi haldex.
They are diy. You can find such vidoes on my channel, for example:
th-cam.com/video/S1d9wMLo-Tg/w-d-xo.html
th-cam.com/video/elFM6qg9rM8/w-d-xo.html
Wow great experiment
Comparing vehicles with vastly different price ranges may not be entirely fair, but despite that, the Outback outperforms the Quattro. You can buy Outback starting from $36,000 CAD today.
you have to make a pulling contest on wet streets or something
Very show the detail’s video,it’s easy to show Subaru is really focus the AWD technology
Sorry Audi! Close but no cigar.
Can someone please tell me which car is which? I'm having hard time differentiating between the two. Thanks!
Martin Kostov Like in description, Audi goes first.
I have subaru, this is more safety car than overpriced audi.... Good choice.
Tomáš Opletal i'm using a my2015 outback Diesel, i know Subaru is the best and this video proves it😉
Tomáš Opletal, exactly, SUBARU is ranked among the top 3 safest car-manufacturers at the moment according to EURONCAP... even audi's safety is below Subaru's rating :D
SubaruOutbackBoxer subaru is a shit
Tomáš Opletal not good choice
Flame Scorpion, because Subaru is safer, more reliable, has better AWD system and has a better value for money? Audi fanboys and their pathetic excuses :D
I've owned an Audi A4 and a Subaru, and both were very capable in snowy, icy Minnesota winters, with snow tires, of course. Where Subaru shines as a brand is that every model has the same AWD system, no need to research Audi's confusing use of different Torsen and Haldex systems in different models. Although Subaru wins for me (I ditched the Audi after the heater core blew), Audi's use of galvanized steel is superior to most other brands for durability. The 20-year old Audi I used to have had only a dime size of rust on the whole thing. My 10-year old Subaru keeps me spraying rust killer and stuggling with rusty bolts. Wish I could buy an A6 with a 3.6 flat six boxer engine :)
Shawn Pearson Not every model of Subaru has the same awd system, in non-sport versions it is like in Audi - center diff or clutch pack. Depends on type of gearbox.
i think Subaru’s AWD is more outdoor oriented, while Audi’s quattro is for better grip, agility and handling for road surface. Thats why Subaru performed better in harsh situations
Subaru AWD is also for on road grip and handling with being a permanent system.
La reina de las suv y tracción es Subaru saludos desde Medellín Colombia
Audi 0 points ,Subaru 1 points ! Subaru à toujours été maître dans l art du 4×4 , bravo SUBARU !
Nice test but it's important to note that the Subaru AWD isn't mechanically any better. It's still got open diffs on both ends with no mechanical lockers. That's not to say it's not impressive however. Where they've got everyone beat is in software. The VDC sees that 3 wheels are spinning and one isn't, so it applies the brakes to the spinning wheels to send torque to the one with grip. Sounds simple but it's actually pretty difficult to do effectively. They use the same tech for the active torque vectoring on the WRX since it doesn't have DCCD like the STI.
CJRhoades The truth is that nowadays all 'awd wars' are about software, including not only braking, but also active torque split via clutches instead of center diffd.
Right, the comment wasn't really for you but for other people that might watch and think otherwise.
CJRhoades It is good to point such things out. Sometimes two technically identical systems behaves totally different (for example haldex-based awd), all up to software.
Now it is clear why I saw so many Subaru Outback's and Forresters in Alaska. Not only do they run forever, the AWD system is definitely good for extreme conditions.
Subaru fan here. Does it make a difference that he used a Subaru SUV vs an Audi sedan? I mean weight Wise and size of the tires? Just a thought
Oscar De La Rosa Here is Audi SUV vs Subaru SUV: th-cam.com/video/j0Je3hxim-Q/w-d-xo.html
Hahaha, the fr@udi A6 skating all the time. Its real value must be divided by Quattro...
How would you say this translates into road or track performance?
From what I've seen so far on your channel, this AWD system on the Subaru seems to be by far the best in low-grip scenarios.
There is no correlation between roller tests and track performance. Road or offroad - yes, when you need to start in slippery conditions or climb a hill. I am preparing video with examples of fails on rollers and their reflection in real conditions.
Subaru is one of the best in these tests, among Jeep, Suzuki, Tesla.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers Cool, thanks for the info.
Subaru it's best ever..number 1 yes 1
SUBARU SymmetricalAWD is NO.1oftheworld!!!!!!!!!!!wow!!!!!!
At this point in time. . there are 2.8k likes and 335 audi A6 owners, that watched this video
Yo Roger. 1997 Subaru Loyale wagon - 180,000 miles. 2007 Legacy wagon - 240,000 miles.
2016 Outback - 30,000 miles and counting.
Who's here after watching the Tesla roller test??
would like to see how would wrx sti perform
Respect for the 100% Made In JAPAN " SUBARU "!
Outback is made in Indiana USA then shipped to other parts of the world.
Not 100% Japan
@@HOTPLATEGAMING In The Middle East region the outback is the Japanese Made Version not the usa one ;)
I don’t think this is a torsen quattro system? Aren’t the new ones haldex?
It's torsen. There is no haldex in any A6. Some C8 have quattro ultra.
If Subaru could only make a good looking car I'd probably buy another one
Why buy a car for good looks? You can't see it when you drive it. I buy engineering and reliability (when was the last time you saw a Sub on the side of the road with the bonnet up?)...and resale value. Enough said
@@gbsailing9436 today actually. A subie forester on the side of the road with hood up.
mechanically the awd systems are almost identical. the difference is the traction control. subaru applies brakes allowing power to be transferred to the wheel with traction. you can do this manually by lightly pressing the brake pedal.
Nope, mechanically these systems are completely different.
Subaru is Subaru!! Better 4WD in the Word. Or not?
but does Subaru make an AWD 3.0L diesel sedan?
Japanese technology is the best in the world.
Holdisch Bjorn No
Audi A7 Have you seen latest "What Car?" or "Warranty Direct" reliability ratings? European cars are far away from the top of this list....
Audi A7 From "Warranty Direct" and "What Car?" reliability ratings. Here is the last one from September 2018:
1. Suzuki
2. Lexus
3. Toyota
4. Kia - Mitsubishi - Subaru (same rating)
7. Skoda
8. Alfa Romeo
9. Hyundai
10. Seat
........
20. Audi
Some people like to spend the time on driving their cars, some people like to drink coffee while sitting in service waiting room for repair of their cars.
Audi A7 Nope, not a shitty list. That's a list showing the truth, research was made on 18 000 cars. It is really not my fault that Audi is far away from reliable. Seat or Skoda do not have so "much more advanced components" as Audi, that's probably they got better result.
Audi A7 That is not MY list, but British "What Car?". Another one made by Warranty Direct (ooohh and they MUST know reliability very well...) is very similar. I don't have any problem with that, but I see you have huge one, so go and fight with that, I don't really care.
What are we looking at here?
I think it would be hugely beneficial and informative, of course, to include the year, chassis code, motor, optional equipment, and type of AWD systems being used. What kind of diff? How many? What kind? I mean, surely you guys know snd have all that info when performing these tests. Who do you provide that i info to? This channel can’t be the only, uhh, channel by which you funnel your work? Is it all published somewhere as well?
Anyway, thst info posted here in the description would be amazing! That way all the “know it all” TH-cam warriors would have nothing to lie and pretend to know about. And I would just like to know as I’m an Audi Addict!
Basic info is in description - production year, engine, transmission.
AWD systems - torsen in Audi, multiplate clutch-pack in Subaru.
We publish a little bit more info on channel community tab and on our Facebook page but discussions with viewers are what we like the most 🙂
Now that's the key advantage of a symmetrical AWD vs a really good AWD system
Sounds like you've fallen for the marketing. They're both technically symmetrical.
How about Subaru vs. Acura SH-AWD??
this is not true Quattro though, this is haldex, which is still sold by audi obviously. anything with a 5 cylinder or bigger has true quattro
Nick Harlow This is not haldex. Anybody who has basic knowledge about awd systems can even see it in the video.
duszaniespokojna it actually is, any Audi with a 4 cyl. is haldex awd
Nick Harlow You have no idea what you are talking about. Besides video clearly shows that this is not haldex.
duszaniespokojna okay yes you're right, and you clearly know everything.
Nick Harlow No Nick, I don't know everything. But I know that there is no haldex, beyond any doubts.
We've the 2014 Outback in North East USA . Snow or not, no issue.
I have a new Subaru Outback and is great on snow but the build quality and materials don't even come close to Audi. Same with ride and handling. Both cars are great on snow and with winter tires they can go anywhere. Audi is for more demanding people who can pay $50k for a premium car. Subaru is best for people who can't afford a $50k car.
n8834
Sorry, I’m going to disagree!
Took apart 03’ Audi all road when doing timing belt/ water pump. Everything I touched either almost broke, broke, or cracked. I’m so glad I sold it at a huge loss. Japan designs a much better vehicle.
JJJ SMITH .. a 2003. That's long in the tooth. What was its history? Good maintenance? Taken care of? Any car would fall apart if not taken care of. I had a timing belt pulley blow apart on a Forrester while cruising on the highway. A PLASTIC timing belt pulley. PLASTIC on an interference engine. Not quality to me. Their AWD system is good for sure. Just not their tech and quality. It is was it is.
Francis Grabetz
Year doesn’t matter in this situation.
The whole engine compartment was manufactured with plastics.
History wasn’t the best but not too bad. Replaced everything myself with oil leaks, breaking plastic parts, all very expensive to replace all the time.
Was the pulley aftermarket?
Never heard of factory timing pulley made of plastic.
Bought 03’ outback with H-6
After Audi and although a lot of things were wrong, I spent not even half the money and nothing has broken outside of the radiator which I replaced factory for around 200.
JJJ SMITH who buys a car and drive it for over 15 years these days ... Those who can afford the AUDI probably replace their car every 3-5 years
yyt101
Smart people.
Интересный показатель.
А КПП какие у представленных, интересно
Subaru 4eva!!!
excuse me there's more than awd... you guys can't judge a car just because another specific car has better grip than another specific car ... another thing to consider its the weight of the car, the length and the condtion of the tires...
Audi is for someone likes the looking and feel of the luxury car. Subaru is for MAN! A real MAN CAR!
Yinqiu Cheng real man? U pay for the design too and brand. Subaru is only impreza, the rest is ugly as f**k
right......that's why they call it Lesboru
MAN is a truck .... or bus :-)
Yinqiu Cheng Men is aircraft!!! We are child 😂
Helder Paulo atleast Subaru doesn’t use fake exhaust tips. It also is a brand that does what she wants, it isn’t a mainstream brand that takes over the design from german brands like other Asian carbrands do. You can see here who’s boss in terms of drivetrain. I like Subaru because it’s different, and I like it cause I can still do the speedlimit when there is a meter of snow. :)
476 Audi owners disliked this video from the waiting room of the auto repair shop
Ive had two Audis, one brand new and both had faults. Waste of money, never again.
Subaru the best!
Do audi quattro 4wd vehicles have a longitudinal engine layout?
Bigger models do (starting from A4).
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers So the front wheel drive vehicles have transverse engine layout.
@@johankhadka7157 A4 and bigger are also available in FWD versions.
I have an Outback (2014 2.5 CVT), my wife has a 2013 TDI Q7. Where we live is mountainous and we get a lot of snow and ice. I manage to get stuck a few times each winter, my wife never gets stuck. Both cars have winter tires.
Her car is nice, my car is just basic transportation.
Don't lie
Cvt
Cvt not good
There's way more factors involved in this, you can only really compare the two with the same driver. As a male you more prone to taking chances etc. Not a level comparison.
Ayeote99 Sounds like your wife is a better driver.