Wo Long: Fallen Dynasty Endgame Misses the mark...
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 2 มิ.ย. 2024
- With the first DLC delivered, I'm reminded yet again of why I don't like its endgame compared to Nioh, so here is my feedback video. I will not make build videos going further till they are addressed
00:00 its a chore
00:50 major issue 1
3:26 issue 2
4:54 issue 3
5:21 bunch of other stuff that sucks
7:08 small build tips if you're still playing
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This reused copy paste nioh ng+/dlc structure simply doesn't work with this game due to various issues and design choices. so i'm just not having fun, the juice is not worth the squeeze. Let me know your thoughts, and 🙏for Ronin/Nioh 3 to be better.
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dupe bug was just patched as of july 4th.
I don't think there is ever going to be a Nioh 3. Pretty sure TN said that they are done with Nioh and are moving on. Honestly though, I would have preferred if they continued making nioh, don't really care about the story, just some new content to play.
Play final fantasy 16 better game than this trash game
@@ace8776Mannn they better make a Nioh 3.
@@ace8776 Also it is possible that they make a true spiritual successor to Nioh even if they don't use the Nioh name, sort of like Bloodborne or Elden Ring are to Souls.
@@machineofadream Isn't Wo long already a spiritual successor to Nioh though ?
after getting platinum on both Nioh 1 and Nioh 2 and putting tons of hours into the endgame content of both, I can honestly say this game is a huge step back. Looking back I would have rather skipped on this one.
There was no reason to not put out a trilogy first. Nioh 2 sucked in so many new players and just building upon that for a third game would of got them massive sales. Instead we got this and stranger of paradise both feeling like they want to be nioh so bad but miss the mark
I will compliment it for the fact that as a souls vet I missed a few. When Wo Long came out on gamepass I tried it and liked it. That got me to play the Nioh titles…so thanks for that Wo Long
I see what they were going for but I agree, definitely a step back from Nioh’s combat
Wo long felt like an afterthought. Lack or build variety, enemies, usefull spirit beasts.
@@rogerarayasaborio549t’s literally like they just want to milk Nioh 2 fans, but they’re burning bridges hard.
SoP I gave a pass because SE was involved. Though I couldn’t get by because the RPG (story) elements were so…bad…it ruined the action part (which was amazing).
I wanted a more original FF with the unknown protagonist and traditional FF aesthetic with a Nioh 2 artistry of mechanics splashed onto it.
But SoP is fine I guess.
100% dude I feel the same,
I just want Nioh 3 at this point. I havent lost interest in a Nioh like game so fast, and Wo Shlong seems like a massive step back from the original formula.
Wo Shlong made me chuckle.
Team Ninja should have stuck to their guns which was Nioh. The first one was well received and when they made a sequel, IT WAS ACTUALLY BETTER. The devs understand that game and how to improve it. Nioh still has lots of room for improvement and I know Team Ninja is capable of expanding the game they've done nothing but improve for all the players.
@@sobervision1049 i need nioh 3 depths mode but with new exclusive superbosses like a deity or more yokai god
@@77-7- they also need to allow you to change between Yokai Shift and Living Weapon (Rebalanced) to further add to the variety
@@sobervision1049 that would be even more perfect
As a huge Nioh fan who was heavily anticipating this game since it was announced, I slowly but surely realized this game just wasn't it. At this point, I'm just going to cut my loses and hope Ronin is good. Ain't playing any NG+ cycles
I will say though, I prefer the waifu fashion in this game to Nioh 2. That was nice
One of the things that really grind my gears is the lack of combo varieties. Each type of weapons only has a certain type of limited movesets, only 1 to 2 types of fatal strikes, couple with having only TWO martial arts per weapon make them bland weapons for melee builds that barely tickle any bosses.
And there is no new martial arts for existing weapons. They added 4 new slots for spells and NO new slots for martial arts as well. Correct me if I'm wrong but I can see that the Team Ninja devs want us to only play spell builds. Even then in NG+2 the spells only give limp flamboyant slaps to the bosses.
As someone who spend 1000+ hours on NIOH2, WO LONG just lacking due to its gameplay, it's tiresome because its too depending on parry to deal massive damage.
This is exactly why I stopped playing after the 2nd area, It just became so apparent to me that this game is too reliant on parrys, where a fight without one took me like 15 mins and when I did the same fight with a parry it took like 3 mins -_-
They made it seem like this was some amazing hybrid of Nioh and Sekiro, but its just the level design of Nioh(the worst parts of it) and the gameplay of Sekiro, I was hoping for the reverse where youd have this open world like Sekiro, but the gameplay/enemy variety of Nioh 2 which I think would have been better.
Same. 1000+ hours in Nioh 2. Best game in this genre by far! Wo Long clicked never with me. I had the best sets and weapons at the end of NG+ but it's so shallow vs Nioh.
Nioh 1 was the beginning but Nioh 2 is the masterpiece.
No cap bro
Nioh 1 was better.
Exactly
Yeah I've probably put more hours on Nioh 2 than Nioh 1 lol.
Facts
In regards to the "regular attacks do shit damage", it feels like they wanted this game to be their version of Sekiro so badly, but didn't realize the fun of Sekiro's gameplay was breaking the enemy posture. In Wo Long enemy posture gauge is so arbitrary, and there is no rhythm to the fight.
yes. the rhythm isn't there, but also the world locations, story, characters you care about, etc aren't all there either. and magic exist to blow that posture mechanic out half the time. its an in-between nioh and sekiro that doesn't quite appeal to either camp. also sekiro had the 2nd death mechanic. This game doesn't have a back up after you get 2 shot. and sekiro you never had to "build up" your power level to handle an enemy like you do here, I imagine sekiro would be hated a lot more if it had some morale system like function.
Stranger of Paradise did the Sekiro posture break mechanic better than Wo long did. Once you filled up enemy break gage they were dead. If it was a boss it just went into a 2nd phase. In Wo Long even if you get a fatal strike you may have to rinse and repeat depending on the enemy.
Man......I played ENTIRELY through Nioh 2(Including Underworld). Sick game, combat, and builds. I played the demo for Wo Long and I could already feel it. Nioh was a real grind to at times, but the combat was SO good. I feared TN would commit the same mistakes minus the exceptional combat. It seems I wasn't far off. I still wish we had gotten Nioh 3 instead of Wo Long (or Stranger of Paradise)
No cap. I have played Nioh 2 a million times at this point.
So many games have come out, I've played others but I just keep coming back to nioh 2
@@flavioluis8218I swear man lol
I picked up SoPFFO on sale recently and its so good, better than Nioh 1 and WoLong, but not on Nioh 2's level.
fr.. had around 2k hours from expedition mode alone
Same dude, I was also on the last floor underworld, I feel you. Absolute masterpiece. Wo Long is a HUUUUGE step back. Same was Sekiro to me. But they came back with Elden Ring, loved it. But it was...well too easy but ok.
I'm not sure what their goal was with Wo Long. Everyone was expecting Nioh 3 and instead we got sekiro, which is fine, but then they removed most of the mechanics that made Nioh so fun to play. My favorite part about Nioh was how the combat changed drastically depending on the weapon you had equipped. Every time I learned a new weapon class the game felt brand new again, but in Wo Long the combat doesn't change at all regardless of weapon class. The martial arts should have followed the Nioh 2 skill tree structure to some extent instead of hard locking us to 2 martial arts that we can't even change out. The spell system isn't bad, I like that they don't limit spells to consumable items, but they should be auxiliary tools to assist in our melee combat. Instead, spells are the only way to make progress on a boss's health bar, making melee and martial arts damage obsolete. The morale rank system was a cool idea at first, but like mentioned in the video, it became a massive chore to get max morale. The idea that boss fights are inherently unfair is another slap in the face. I'll be honest, if they don't buff the hell out of melee combat I'm not going to be playing the NG+ cycles. From what I've experimented with, your build is irrelevant to the combat as each weapon plays exactly the same and spell spamming is the only efficient choice of play. I'm also not going to spend countless hours fighting end game bosses melee only if I'm only doing 0.1% of their health bar per melee attack. DLC 1 is certified trash IMO, the levels were generic and lacked any new elements to them while also looking the same as previous levels, the new enemies barely added any variety, and out of 3 bosses, only the hammer guy was a fun fight. The 2nd boss was just lazy design, and Dian wei is just straight up unfair. If Dian wei was at 20 morale from the start, I might have found the challenge fun, but as it stands it took me forever to get through that fight using melee only. There's still a chance Team Ninja can fix this game but given how much focus they are putting on Rise of Ronin, I'm doubtful we will see any improvements in the core gameplay loop.
yes, the flow is pretty repetitive across all the weapons, none of them feel unique. the side effect of buffing weapon dmg (which in turn buffs MA), is that you have a alternative way to play than just parry parry, which puts more power into defining each weapon class more. hammer may be slower, but now it can crush yellow turbans heads in with its charged attacks.
I think skill swap will be something they do, but the other stuff i can only be pessimistic about based off this dlc. I separate the qol stuff from the dlc, and the dlc content itself was just lackluster all around. nioh 2s tengu dlc was just spot on good all around, like the wiki shows all the content it added, and compare that to this dlc lol: nioh2.wiki.fextralife.com/The+Tengu%27s+Disciple
I love the new weapon, but I'd like more reasons to keep playing, like gaining passive buffs, passive skills, or enhance Martial Arts to +10 or whatever.
It really is baffling, because I went into Nioh 1 + 2 with low expectations, and came out thinking they were among the best games I ever played. They got me to go all the way to NG++++, which is something I never even did in Souls. So someone like me should love Wo Long, right? I do kind of, but man that endgame feels like a game from 10 years before Nioh, not NEWER. You're supposed to grind gear that's barely even better unless you are lucky enough to get the perfect drops to form a set, and even then, only a few sets are that great. I killed the monkey boss in Wo Long NG+ literally 200 times, and only got the gear to put together one single grace set, and it was not one of the good ones. In Nioh you can at least get a basic set together just from farming some graves that have a set you like, or just crafting a lower rarity version of a piece you're missing. Never had an issue putting a set together in Nioh after some effort.
I def see the reasons here and agree with a lot but I personally enjoy the game and do think it can come back with a few more key updates to change some things.
Happy for your transparency as always 🙏 we need to bring down the hammer when TN doesn't deliver.
Yea...I definitely feel what your talking about with mele and martial arts. I feel like I do no damage when I play. It's disappointing to here that it's the same in NG++ with just +10 upgrades The flags really should have been like abyss and underworld in Nioh 1and 2. Get a flag remove a debuff gain a buff. This give players a choice on how they want to play and challenge themselves if they want.
1. MA are focused on spirit damage (that accelerates FS), if u combo with elemental imbue you do panic. The tick of fire debuff is almost 300. Melee in Wo Long is just a more skill-based approch that differs from spamming sorceries from a distance.. 2. Taking all flags now give you additional buffs, but the morale farming is a bit slow, that is true. Probably too hasty a review? In my opinion, the problems are: the lack of complexity of the dlc's main missions, the impossibility of filtering equipment based on graces and/or the possibility of farming specific equipment, the few differences in the gameplay of the third run, which make everything repetitive despite the higher challenge and, finally, the level cap too high compared to the objective difficulty.
I think you are pretty much on point in this vid PWAR. I was feeling immense burnout like 4 hours into the DLC. I couldn't put my finger on it but yeah I would agree it's because I never felt powerful. I hated the spirit costs of spells so I just focused on MA on weapons and those as you mentioned are so weak you just feel anemic and sickly the further you get into new game cycles. It also struck me that we should feel so weak in close combat in a kung fu game but whatever it was vindicating to see I wasn't the odd man out in that feeling. Think I am done with Wo Long. Good video though.
I think the rank morale thing is the real issue .
Completely agree. Played more hours than healthy on nioh 2. You’re spot on with your assessment. Why is team ninja not striving to make the game fun?? Being powerful and feeling the gains is the addiction, not repetitively doing the same things. Uphill battle also good call.
solid take my man. Keep the good work
I enjoyed watching your build videos. They helped me get through some tough stages starting out, but I don't blame you for stopping if you're not having fun. I still don't understand why we can't switch out martial arts or change weapon scaling since it makes weapons feel either too RNG or too limited in what you can use them for.
They added an embed in the DLC that lets you change weapon scaling. I forgot what it's called. I think Virtue of X. So if you embed a lighting onto a fire scaling weapon lightning now becomes the scale.
Finished DLC on ng+ and moved on to soaring dragon. I’m on map 3 and I’m 21 levels under…..am I suppose to mindlessly farm for days just to play the next play through? The point you made about constantly being just under leveled is spot on. What are they thinking?
I came back here because youtube recommended this video again for some reason. Well when DLC 1 came out I was Meh on the game (even have a long comment talking about my issues), but I done a 180 on the game after DLC2-3 and overtime it has become a guilty pleasure type of game where I always go back to to try new builds and things like that. Imo it sucks for the release and early months of the game because DLC2 fixed most of the issues I had with the game.
Its funny because Rise of the Ronin is also getting this early release negative press, yet most of the players are loving the crap out of that game. Thankfully by the time that game comes to PC it will be in the best state it can be in.
Bro you are so on the point. It took me days to get the 5 star grace sets and build just to realise now its a waste of time because 6 star level gear is out. I was so hype with this new DLC to beat complete it within the first 4 hrs of the release and these tome don't even seem to drop. Got 4 on the first play through of the DLC then nothing else after that. Beaten like characters 17 on soaring dragon and nothing so go back to rising dragon and tried 25 times and still nothing. I had with this game now.
I agree whole heartedly with all the points in your video. I'm so far as too avoid using damaging sorceries, only buffs ones. Even then, I still rips through bosses with ease, I used all the elemental weapon spells, and just stack the elemental debuffs on the enemy one after the other, but I do still need to hit enemies with melee to apply it, so that what keeps me engaged in the gameplay. As far as my recommendation, weapon specific skill tree like nioh would be a nice addition, in order to learn/replace the martials arts you need unlock them in order to get them. But that seem a huge task to implement so I won't hold my breath.
I still like the game, but yeah this dlc kinda lackluster.
An arena area for pvp would be dope kinda like the one they have in elden ring and the ability to change the weapons to fit with other elements and virtues so your not locked in to one weapon type depending on your build
They did update it to show you what bosses drop what new magic skills. I beat the dlc also. I’m not sure if they updated it since this video but I’m using a sword and my melee damage is really high. But I do agree, +20 or even +15 armor and weapons would be ideal and transferring Martial Art skills would be great also. My biggest issue is there’s no -1 set bonus on accessories or even graces on accessories. To me that’s where they missed the mark. But I’m still going to get the trophies and max out everything in hopes the next DLC is much better. I’m also patiently waiting for a DLC to drop for FF 16.
what you spec into like how many points in to earth and other stuff for the element build you was talking about
I don't think it matters much but with the lv300 cap, ideally 150 if you want to stick with slab, then at least 30 wood. I would also have fire at 15-30 for the fire buffs like overpowered burst or damage amplify. so looking at around 100 wood for more life, and 150 earth, and whatever else you want.
You can change the scaling of fist or any weapon now with a 6 star effect that can change the scaling. idk how you get it tho outside of rng, but you would use that to make guding/fist benefit from earth virtue for damage
I feel like magic is good to an extant, the issue is it uses stamina so you get 2 casts without blue and your capped, you get 3-4 with blue bar but then capped again leaving no room for marital arts and to top it off the recovery time is so low compared to other games so you get hit and winded for a while, they need to adjust this in my opinion
We need more spirit bar or to just keep it separate from a unique posture bar for defense and spirit bar for special attacks as well as wizardry……plus this game is stiff af with dodging , the roll is so iffy and I’m talking about the light roll at that
I feel the same as you man although i liked this dlc and I've almost 300 hours on this game, i don't feel like playing the new difficulty and farming to get the new spells it just feels pointless and there's no achievement/trophy if you complete it so actually there's no point
I didn't even know a dlc came out.
I was so disappointed with wo long, I don't think I'll even give it a shot.
Thanks for the update!
Probably you are right, I agree with you, obviously the game could be much better, deeper, better performance, they could add so many things, every idea you are asking for,hopefully they’ll do it in the future DLCS but still I am enjoying the game, anyway I think our biggest problem or at least what I see it is that we all compare this game with Nioh and even though we all want Nioh 3, they are trying to do something different, so let’s see what happens at the end
I hope Team Ninja listen us and the game it is what we expect to be in the future and for sure Pwar you come back to the game and make more good content about it, cheers from Spain
i'm all ears for trying something different, but the dlc DIDN'T. so actually, keep trying something different. I encourage it at this point. the dlc just felt like half content additions, and just, well look a that: copying nioh and just adding 1 new difficulty, one new rarity, 1 new weapon, new spirit, etc etc. spells being new is great, too bad you have to farm the content that people are not playing to use them. people say they are being different from nioh, but the content added is not reflecting that, least this dlc. hopefully they add new mechanics and such in the future to differ from nioh more than just the base game.
Wo Long imo is a game where the devs listened to all the people that complained about the "complexity" of Nioh 1 and 2 and decided to remove every single damn feature that made those games unique and stand out in order to cater to the fans of Sekiro (which way fewer people enjoyed anyway compared to Bloodborne or DS). They completely missed the mark and pretty much decided to keep the only thing people hated about their other games, which was the Diablo-esque gear, yet somehow they considered all those other unique mechanics had to go.
Personally, I don't really like how they removed all the crazy things you could do with Ninjutsu, consumables, Yokai spirits, and just dumbed it down to man with wepon sometimes uses magik.
can we alter weapon moveset now? im tired getting >5 star with stupid side moving set
see issue 3 of the video, if thats what you mean. so no, we cannot change the moveset of a weapon, nor have they added any new skills to use, or a 3rd skill slot to play with. nothing.
The grind should be made bearable by forcing specific sets to drop ONLY in specific missions(I.E Flying General from a stage where Lu Bu is the final boss etc...). Martial Art REPLACMENT should have been in the from the day the game was in its beta build there is 0 excuses on that front because both Niohs let you swap the weapon skills around when multiple skills were tied to similar inputs so there's no really justifiable reason Wo Long should have been any different.
The Rank 1-9 and Cold Steels should be buyable with GOLD and NOT ACCOLADES or only be obtainable through the dismantling function because that is an even bigger hindrance than the wrong Marital Art being on a given weapon you are trying to farm in order to make a build you want to experiment with. And the final point that should never have been a problem in either of the 2 Nioh's and or Wo Long IS THE LACK OF ACCESSORY RE-ROLLING sweet mother of christ WHY? It is the single most infuriating thing in the entirety of these 3 games is for the grind for a MANDATORY piece of your build to come out the wrong way or not have a proper skill you crutch far too much because you can't roll it on another piece of your set-up.
If you're going to lock the "Fun" behind the grind MAKE THE GRIND BERABLE and NOT make it feel like pure suffering. It's not funny for me as a player to go "Oh hey Team Ninja put out Nioh 3" instead of go "YO WO LONG DOES NIOH BUT BETTER" you actively make it hard to either enjoy or play the game when you all but literally make the SAME GAME 3 DIFFERENT TIMES WHILE MAKING IT WORSE EVERY INSTALMENT.
Short term answer to make this game anywhere near half as fun as other farming games like Diablo or the like is to just NOT make its rng WORSE than its competitors cause that WILL drive your player base away and further deter them from your current game and all future games to be released.
target farming would be nice. graces are honestly not that well designed. if you had those graces tied to normal sets like other sets, all of sudden, people can create builds more reliably. pure rng is not gonna sit well with people, especially if you can't, get this, kill or beat a stage fast to make that farm bearable. but its funny, because they did have semi-target farming for graces, in nioh, with the abyss system.
The abyss/depth system should have NOT been locked to final dlc, where you have 1+2 chances of people dropping your game before than. ADD the abyss dlc 1, then just expand on it every dlc. but it'll provide power through upgrade levels, target farming for certain floors giving certain graces/sets, and well, scaling challenge that avoids the morale system entirely. had this dlc done that, they would have made the game so much better. but now they'll wait till final dlc, and then they'll probably expect people to have gotten high tiered gear and high character level just to even attempt it. or add something completely new, instead of a new difficulty. a rogue like system, abyss, chalice dungeon type mechanic, something FRESH. at this point throw ideas out and see what sticks instead of being purely safe/lazy and just adding something that doesn't work for this game like it did the other. if the game is doomed to fail than experiment with things to hopefully find something good you can use in future games.
You are overcapped on the bosses on the first difficulty and then goes downhill cause its supposed to be harder but you can still easily farm mobs to raise your morale.
We basically need a gauntlet type farm like in Niohs 3rd DLC
What's frustrating is that if they tweaked melee damage and martial arts to be on par with magic and if only defenses would mean something, the game would be great.
The results are a lack of choice and stuff to do pretty quickly.
I did manage to get a minus requirement on sets on my fist weapon, I don't know if it's cumulative with the one on accessories since I don't have one. That could open a few triple sets.
not cumulative, it was possible to roll -1 on armor pieces pre-dlc, even weapons too i think, so wont stack unless it was changed in some update, which I doubt. based off nioh dlc which this seems to be going exactly by, they'll hold off unlocking that stuff for 2nd or 3rd dlc as "content".
@@PWARGaming Ok then I think I'm done with this dlc too after 5 hours of play... Thank you for your answer and your honest review. Cheers from France!
Rise of the Ronin is my most anticipated game and I expect it to be pretty different from Nioh/SOP/Wo Long. I personally wouldn't mind if it was more like Ghost of Tsushima in structure but with a great Team Ninja combat system and solid weapon variety.
I just want a new nioh game, what a step back!
After hearing this I don't wanna buy the game I'll wait for nioh 3 for the time being nioh 2 is still alive that's a wonderful thing I'll keep grinding on nioh 2
Why is the level capped at 125 unless you buy dlc, is there anything I'm missing? I'm not pay for lvl up that's dumb.
One thing that really pissed me off about wo long is that there is NO option to do expeditions like nioh 1 and 2. Jump into a lobby and do a bunch of missions with people or tackle new dlc with people. Everyone got loot, gold and amrita. Was really hoping for dlc to give this game new life but fuck it they dont give a fuck
They need to increase the damage value of all melee based ability’s and tweak fatal strike and wizardry spells damage, increase the percent bonuses of both graces and tempered effects not just one limited to 6 stars and still below 10 percent, and add an abyss type endgame on top the things you suggested. That would keep me engaged enough to say that this game is worth you’re time. I have hope for the future but it does seem bleak tbh :(
I saw new info on Rise of the Ronin and I'm skeptical to say the least. GIVE US NIOH 3!
I feel like TN heard people want to be able to swap out martial arts but completely misunderstands it lol
yah uh, must have been a translation error...
Fully agree.
You’ve nailed everything I’ve been upset about, but two more things I want to add:
-Literally no endgame stuff to do. Nioh 2 had nightmare missions and clans.
-No random expeditions.
-No Reforge.
I’ll play the DLCs because I got the season pass, but honestly, I don’t know what will get me to do endgame.
Maybe adding Reforging in so we can use the new Damage Shift embed to actually make weapons usable in different Virtue builds.
But dropping the whole combo system that was in Nioh1/2 and SoP was the worst idea ever. I fucking hate how they tried to copy Elden Ring with invasions and Art of War.
But in their argument, you said this is a king fu game. It’s actually a Xianxia game (cultivation). Hence all the talk about qi, elixirs, immortals, Taoism, meridian channels, divine beasts, etc.. Progressing from one difficulty to another.
Someone mentioned Xianxia in the subreddit and I’ve been looking into it since Wo Long dropped. The game makes a WHOLE lot more sense now.
Edit: I’ll also add that Cestus is just not good without the combo system from Nioh 2. It just encapsulated everything that’s wrong with the game: fast and flashy but no depth or soul.
They gave us more magic slots and then allowed us to use them regardless of morale rank but they take all of our spirit if we do that. Morale is really terrible in this game for it supposed to be a "help" with the bosses it doesn't. Plus it makes you bottom out really fast.
I played a Ninja and Mage in Nioh 2.
I'm bad at this game and Nioh 2 but I love Nioh 2. I like this game too but the morale is just plain stupid it doesn't make you feel powerful and everything 1 shots you anyway.
100% agree...
I'm just gonna wait for all the dlc to come out and then buy the season pass under 10 bucks on sale once the endgame is made better.
I played Nioh and Nioh 2 a lot but the Wo Long demo before release didn't hook me so I never bought the game. Now, I don't think I ever will.
But, I'm still hopeful for Ronin (and Ninja Gaiden 4).
Personally for me, I have never really been into end game grinds, but I do get where you are coming from. I enjoyed what they did with this game for the most part, while still feeling like Nioh in some aspects, but while still feeling different enough. I still enjoy Nioh 2 more, but that's fine as I didn't feel like it was trying to be Nioh. I also respect TN for saying that they felt like they did what they wanted to do with Nioh, and don't want to jusy drag it out.
Loved team ninja since dead or Alive 1 on PS1. when ninja gaiden 3 failed they came back with razors edge which was much better. Hopefully they replicate that with rise of ronin. Also play the ninja gaiden games if you haven't! Great action games
How do you get 6 star weapons?
go to soaring dragon difficulty, hit triangle in main map menu. you need to beat most of rising dragon difficulty to unlock it, which is only unlocked after you beat the base difficulty story. the same will happen the next dlc difficulty most likely, where you need to beat most of soaring dragon to actually play the next one...
It's sad but true. All the things that made Nioh 2 fun to grind are missing in Wo Long.
They already have the formula from nioh and nioh 2, i mean all the ds games up to elden ring just felt like polishing what already worked same with nioh 1 to 2. I literally have no idea how this came from team ninja, the only consistent with the nioh games is there massively obtuse and confusing level designs
Hoestly starting playing the game again and did noticing i need to complete new games plus 1 just ti unlock 6 star gear sad me and barely make me went to play it
The problem I have with these games is the weapon system. Getting multiple weapons and and them being the same weapons with different stats is too much of a chore to handle. And Neil I spent hours trying to break down all the weapons I didn't need and trying to forge new ones.
I pre ordered this game based on the thousands of hours of enjoyment and satisfaction I got from Nioh and Nioh 2. Despite having prepaid for the dlc I have no enthusiasm to even look at it or continue with this game.
I was so pissed, my game bugged out and was locked out of the final sub mission. I enjoyed it but super buggy and my game hard crashed multiple times. Also im not sure of your build but my was double sword melee strong with magic as a support.
I beat the dlc and stopped there it just wasn’t all that I never even got the new weapons
Yeah I realized this as soon as I got the platinum on the base game all on base difficulty. They have neutered the loot so much in this game there is almost no reason for it to even be in there. Most bonuses are in the 2-5% range on each piece so if you stack it you are at anywhere from 10% to MAYBE 20% on some things that don't even matter. It was fun to play through the one time but nothing about the post game content and now the DLC even appeal to me and this video confirms it. I really hope they bring back the loot and build aspect of Nioh in a future game, I really do.
And to answer the last question: What would entice me to play Wo Long past base difficulty? Make any given stat be at least triple what their current value is now. For example Melee Attack Damage 5% now should be Melee Attack Damage 15% at a minimum if not 20% or so.
Totally agree bro. This game is solely just DLC Story Content
or abyss/depth system that purely ignores morale completely and grants bonuses in the form of scaling upgrade level for weapons, or some kinda neat rogue like mechanic that gives you random bonuses after each floor you beat. more difficulties are just not the content that serves this game that well.
@@PWARGaming massive buff to all weapons, and +20 on dlc 1, +30 dlc. They should of followed what Nioh already excelled upon.
This game is my first souls-like, I enjoyed boss fights and trying out a few weapons but I have to say, I felt that the levels themselves were kind of boring, I didn't really like regular enemies either as it felt really repetitive and it was just waves of them. I'm used to games like MH, so that may be why I prefered the boss fights with a single target.
When I finished it the first time and unlocked NG+, I pretty much stopped. I didn't want to do everything over again, with a higher difficulty as it didn't really add anything. The only thing to get out of it was 5 star gear which I could try to get by spamming that mission in chapter 2 with a magic build.
That magic build definitely helped me play through the DLC easier, but here I am, with a completed game, completed DLC and a blank NG+ and NG+2.
I think I'll just wait and do the story and sub battlefields of the 2 remaining DLCS in crouching dragon difficulty, and won't touch the NG+ features. It feels like it's a lot of effort for minimal rewards sadly.
What souls-like would you guys recommend me to play ? I already have Elden Ring and Nioh in my wishlist and also Lords of the Fallen and Lies of P which are upcoming.
first soulslike? well you got a ton of stuff you could play nioh is ofc closest to this, Elden ring is amazing, no idea of lords, and lies of p seemed pretty good based off the demo. naturally the suggestion would be to play dark souls, unless you already tried that. specifically dark souls 3 since its a bit more modernized than ds1, which can feel a bit clunky. if you got a ps5, there's also demon souls remake too. the world and level designs of those far exceed wo long or nioh.
but yah, nioh and elden ring otherwise if you tried the og souls series already
@@PWARGaming Thanks for the answer ! I only have a PC, but I never played the Souls series at all. I'll add DS3 to my list, would you recommend me trying Elden Ring or DS3 first ? I don't know which would be the best and most welcoming as a completionist
Keep hearing a friend of mine complain that Demon Souls and Bloodborne are not on PC :D
tbh i thought the dlc for wo long would be huge upgrade compared to nioh 2 i mean they have dynasty warriors characters and so many weapons that could have been added just one new weapon ? seriously...i guess i expected to much hopefully team ninja will fix this
I'll go back to it in December I already platinum'd it no reason to play now.
As a big Nioh 2 fan, this is a shame to hear. I'll just wait until all dlcs are out before playing. Hopefully they fix it by then.
My biggest issue so far with the DLC is the Boss design. All the hard bosses in the main game and dlc follow the same tactics for killing them.
Wait till they try a critical, counter, maybe get 1 or hits in, run away....rinse and repeat.
We need boss fights that can just be a good old fight, some that reward aggression, some that at least allow reasonable windows of aggression.
These boss fights are so tedious, and as a result of the tactics you should follow, they take sooooo long to finish.
Can we also have at least a little bit of follower scaling in the new difficulty levels, or maybe add some weapon/armor skills that can boost follower survivability/damage.
I really do believe that because they only gave the parry to players and not to mobs, they didn't create ways around parries, so parry became automatically the beginning and the end of the gameplay, making everything happen.
My melee damage does more damage then my spells
Planning to get this but not sure if elden ring or sekiro is much more a better choice.
And yes, nioh 2 was way too good for team ninja's new game.
So another words sounds like just hold off for next dlc
I been tapped out GG THOUGH GUYS
They gave us 8 spell slots but couldn’t spring for 4 MA slots? I honestly thought the vanilla game was a lot of fun but they really missed the mark on NG+ and beyond. Melee needs a huge buff, as does MA and customizing MA and it would be in a good spot.
Oh yeah - and then they decided to nerf grace set drop probability again? Wtf? The only thing to give you a little bit of an edge in endgame. Graces also need buffs FWIW, and also need more variety.
TN did the same thing with Stranger of Paradise DLC 1. I’m not sure why, but it seems Wo Long and Strangers of Paradise are both significantly lacking in the DLC department compared to nioh 2
Kind of unfortunate, i was in a way looking forward to the dlc. I got until the second final mission of ng+ then dropped the game. Its hard to say anything that hasn't already been said, the weapon damage feels too low compared to the power of spells, too much emphasis on fatal strikes. At this point i would be ok if they took a page out of sekiro's book and made it so you have to damage the enemy a decent amount before the stance bar builds up for a finisher. The morale system is just confusion, in the base game getting maxed out on it would make the game too easy but now not getting enough of it makes it really hard, there's too much of a reliance on how it affects your power imo
So. I have to ask, and this is for everyone to answer. The game is currently on sale with all dlcs for $60, is it worth buying?
I stopped playing at level 199. It's just too much of a grind to level. I will wait for the next DLC.
Wow 151 reviews, so many
they put in another Yu Ji slurp, 10/10 dlc
I was disappointed with how short the DLC, I not only finished it but got all the trophies in a few hours of play. And now I know why the DLC wasn't really marketed that much . I would have liked more new enemy types, I mean one main mission out of the three and 1 submission was reskins of bosses from the base game. For me I am not sure if I need an endgame as I have other games to play that have that. But would have liked a reason to play Soaring Dragon outside of just 6 star gear
Still FF16 gets boring after a couple hours. Ill be playing Diablo 4 and TOTK. Might even play Nioh 2 again then come back to Wo Long for the next DLC in September.
Hi,i am from Brazil and what you said is The Truth both dificcult in the game suck and the balance in boss battle are broken Lu Bu and Liu Bei i really hate them. The new dificult is more ridiculous.
They tried something different I agree it is a chore but this isn’t nioh 3 hopefully nioh 3 rectify these issues
@@ryanshoults123 I’m speculating that nioh 3 is in development that or a new ninja gaiden wo long was a risk they wanted to take hopefully we get news on nioh / ninja gaiden after all the dlc has come out they usually announce a new game months after the last dlc of the previous game.
They had announced back in 2021 that they will not be making a Nioh 3. Rise of Ronin is our only hope for a Nioh like game but who knows if they will butcher that one like they did Wo Long
@@Koballin if rise of ronin flops which I’m not saying it will they will make a nioh 3 or ninja gaiden especially since they had hit the mark with nioh 1 and 2
@@ryanshoults123 No they said that there are no plans for nioh 3 at this time they are focused on new IP’s at the moment. With that being said nioh 3 can happen in the future
@@ryanshoults123 My guy it’s been almost 13 years since they announced a new tenkaichi game anything is possible it’s not false hope, it’s speculation just gotta wait if they don’t then they don’t but they said as for right now no plans.
I do wonder what Wo Longs end game is. Team Ninja basically added the equivalent of ethereal gear in the 1st DLC . Where do we go from here? Will they add seven and eight star gear next? This would give wo long more tiers of gear than nioh. I have gotten some six star gear and upgraded to +10, but it still isn't as good as 2-3 star stuff I have on that's +9. In Nioh you can fix this by soul matching, but Wo long doesn't have that. I honestly think they should have done away with rarity tiers of gear this time around. Once you became sworn bros with and NPC or farmed a boss/enemy and got their gears that's it. The loot could have focused on the jewel essence. The more you upgrade your gear the better gems you get to slot. The higher you go in difficulty the better gems you get. Merge gems of the same effect to get better stats.
It''s crazy that the same company that can pump out a near masterpeice like nioh 2 can also make a game like... this... Eugh.
They're making the ronin game (forgot the title) at the same time and wo long is more a filler than a sequel to nioh. Given that DLC I don't even think they care about this game at all.
And sell it for more than nioh 2 too... that dlc should have been free lol
The drop rate for the new stuff needs to be buffed. It’s annoying
ironically, IF they actually gave the spells outright (like nioh games), I MIGHT push through the new difficulty more just to play and enjoy using them. but the fact I have to progress and grind for ALL of them with them only dropping from specific bosses so i can't access them till i get to those bosses? nah, f that.
I completely agree about the weapon upgrading, I got to +10 and was excited to get above 1000 in base damage, and then... It stopped. Whats the point??
Other things that piss me off is chests, you kill a whole mob of enemies to get to a chest, then boom, one 2* piece of gear. Not worth it!! I love the game, I like the combat and glad they added more spells. I farmed Hong Jing about 50 times and got both her tomes, it wasn't worth it. One jumpy ice shard attack and the ability to infuse arrows with ice. Its alright, but not worth it.
Another thing is the whole 5&6* idea. There's no damage increase, just one more stat bonus, considering how valuable and almighty these things are supposed to be, you get one additional stat? That it?
I'm hoping the DLCs add more, ive bought the season pass so I'm gonna try it, otherwise I'll just be wasting my money. The Nioh games added so much more in their DLCs, so I'm hoping Wo Long do too.
Happy deflecting!!
people want a carrot they can chase that's guaranteed, like niohs upgrade system was (or hell, ANY rpgs game is...). the +10 was like the devs broke off the tip of the carrot and thats all we could eat till 3 months from now and yah i knew the spells would be hit or miss too. have to grind them out a bunch and them not be OP or that useful? why bother
i seriously dont see any problem with just going from +9 to +10 coz this made all of my set from before DLC still useful. Unlike in nioh 1, the gear level gap was so high between each dlc, which makes all the set that i had become completely useless.
i personally really enjoying plays nioh 1 and nioh 2 more than wo long
This was the director's first project and it shows. How Team Ninja allowed an amateur to head this, while marketing the game as from the makers of Nioh, is beyond me. Can't trust brands no matter what. And never pay full price for a game because you just never know and gems worth the money are stupidly rare. For me, the greatest sins were not improving the pvp which there were never going to do, and not allowing you to change weapon skills. Looking back, the game was doomed from the start because it was made out of cheap plastic and the gameplay was waaaay too simplistic.
How... how can you get it all so right 🥲
@@glatykoffi6672 painful experience, putting way too many hours in. Thank you for your kind comment.
gems full price are not rare, Elden Ring, Sekiro, Dmc and more, i just buy MH world and oh boy the game is so awesome, the deal here is that TN could have done much more and put a lot more effort with some aspects of the game in my opinion
@@lalouwu6371 those are as mainstream as you can get and most of those have big problems. Popularity does not mean quality. Fromsoft games are always B level work at best, not gems. DMC sucks, but devil may cry 3 and 5 are great, 4 is good, but not gems. Monster hunter has always had a huge grind problem even if World is the least invasive about it, it's still there in a big way. Hollow Knight, Shovel Knight, Undertale, Nioh, Star Renegade, Into the Breach are gems. They were not expected to be as great as they were. They play great, sound great, look great, story is great, have depth, and have a quality that elevates them higher than most games. They have it all. Hollow Knight is what ER tried to be for example.
Drop rates are HOT GARBAGE and im about ready to put Nioh 2 back in. Ive gotten one 6 star item all weekend and a handful of 5 star, outside of rewards for completing ng+2 missions. I did get one of the new spells farming the zhuyan boss in the tale of guiguzi on rising dragon. Plus theres still no forge mechanic so you can only farm for everything, which is too damned grindy and not fun.
at this point scrap wo long dlc and just make new nioh 2 dlc
"guys, we decided to return and revive the nioh series with new content!". TN would be absolute giga chads if that happened
I never felt like doing ng plus for wo long.
Not a fan of ng plus I’m general, but the Nioh games implemented it really well with their gear system keeping it fresh.
Nioh 2 I finished and platinumed the game then went straight to the ng plus and did dream of the strong without a second thought as just enjoyed replaying the whole game in divine kingo gear!
Wo long really messed up the gear system, I also dont like all the best sets with bonuses are from npc characters do don’t feel unique.
I totaly agree with all you've said, this game still needs a lot of polish. We're still getting 1 star level drops in a ng+ diff in a dlc ! Like come on.
They can't treat this game like nioh without adjusting some things in it that nioh doesn't have. One thing they can do imo is that they remove the moral rank in upcoming dlcs in the difficulty beyond soaring dragon. Like congratulations you've made it this far, you can now spam anything you want and clearly we need it cz some enemies with their one shot bs are a joke.
I agree with most of your points. Wo Longs biggest issue is that unlike past TN games it pigeonholes the player into a very particular playstyles, with builds really just coming down to elemental damage and things like that. The game was fun on its first playthrough or 2 but it just doesn't hold my attention like other TN games have.
Also forget Nioh 2 for a minute because everyone love to bring that game up in comparison. What about Strangers Of Paradise? A game that came after Nioh 2 and before Wo Long that did many things Wo Long tried to do much better. In SoP not only was the universal parry mechanic more balanced, but it was a PART of the players tool kit not the end all be all of every encounter. It also already did the weapon skills system (or martial arts) far better then Wo Long. You had 7-8 skills per weapon class, all of which could be swapped out at any time, and there was RNG based weapons skills that were attached to weapons. In Wo Long you just get the RNG martial arts system.
I like the idea of Wo Long and did enjoy the first couple of playthroughs, but the execution the mechanics/systems were not very good considering most them have been done better in older TN games. I tried to playthrough the DLC but it felt like I was forcing myself to playthrough something I just had no interest in anymore and it was mainly due to the repetitive combat and focus on Fatal Strikes, along with deflect.
I booted up SoP and started a new playthrough with the gun class added in its last DLC and I'm still having so much fun even after dropping 200+ in that game.
Edit: To add in one more thing. I find if funny people were expecting Wo Long to be Nioh 3 when that is what I felt when playing Strangers Of paradise which came out before Wo Long. Until a Nioh 3 comes out (which won't be anytime soon because if the Rise of the Ronin game they are working on) SoP will be the closet thing to Nioh in terms of gameplay variety, depth, RPG mechanics, Builds, endgame....etc. People who love Nioh or other TN games 100% need to give SoP a try and even if you dislike FF its worth it imo.
I'm probably gonna wait until all three dlc are released. Nioh 1/2 endgame was cool, so Wo Long doing the exact same thing doesn't compel me to do the same this time around. I love the game, just don't care for having to play it from the beginning 3 more times!!!
"What would make you want to play Wo Long DLC/Endgame more?"
Literally everything you said before asking this question. I wanted to have the option or opportunity to change Martial Arts and have melee do more damage AND have more Morale Gains in higher difficulty but most important is the Flag system and overall upgrade system/RNG system. I don't mind farming upgrades or new skills but the upgrades don't speak for themselves at all and any "new skills" you unlock is abysmal since even with 230 luck it would take hours to days nearly to drop the "skills" you want. So yeah new DLC was gonna be a "hit or miss" ANYWAY and oh boy did it miss 🤦
I agree spells scale too much better than melee especially in higher difficulty settings and they definitely need to buff MA the same way as they did spells, but I don't think it's a mistake that fatal blows deal exceptional damage. The game is clearly intended to be like Sekiro where deflection is a primary mechanic, and I consider sekiro head and shoulders above the other From games. There are other options but they want you to master one and I prefer games that prioritize efficiency over freedom.
The issue though is spells are still the best way to get to fatal blows, and just have much better utility alround.
Also enemy variety is by far the worst part, it just gets stale when you see them so many times.
I try the demo of wo long & like it. I bought the game cause I liked the demo but I don't know what it has that I just stopped playing not even getting to mid game. That game is... weird.
because it played the same way it did in the demo, allllll the way through to the very end. you were hoping for more diverse tools, more impactful weapon arts, cool bosses that challenged you in new ways, variety of enemies, but it devolved to the same flow as the demo had, with, quite literally, the same enemies. strange indeed.
I stopped playing before end of ng+. I spent a lot of time grinding gear, but it felt pointless. Endgame was so dull compared to nioh. Maybe haters saying this is game worth only gamepass were right. Nothing will bring me back, we got d4 here lol
I have the DLC but I’m still playing FF 16 hopefully by the time I get to it all the stupid shit is fixed
Team ninja please listen to everything he’s saying, and we need a variety of weapons skins!
Brother...how the f loved wo long?
I played a lote this game, dlc also finished and try everything...and after nioh 1 and nioh 2 this is...not enough