Wo Long: Nioh But Worse
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 18 มี.ค. 2023
- Lets take a look at Team Ninja's latest game that, sadly, insn't Nioh 3. It's instead something closer to Nioh .75. It's fine but Pliny had been hoping for better than fine. He'd been hping for Nioh 3.
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He said everything that I’ve been feeling in his video. Thank you so much for this video. I actually just went back to start playing Nioh 2 again.
To be fair, it was a task making a follow up to Nioh 2
I got sucked into nioh 2 for almost 4 years without stopping. Was so bs but fun
Also to touch on Nioh 2's character design one of my favorite/worst is the Oboroguruma (Yokai in the form of the moving Ox cart) there usually very fast and very deadly plus to add to it's features, the giant face it has changes from joy to anger when you attack it I've never seen an enemy design in any game like this.
Oh yea I hate that guy!!! I dunno how many times he pops out of nowhere and gave me a fright cause he has such a long petrol route yet he moves so fast. Luckily his detection isn't that great either.
don't sleep on stranger of paradise. its surprisingly good once it clicks . even the story . find a weapon you like and mostly stick with it. nothing comes close to nioh 2. but wo long was fun to. for what it is
Nioh 2 came out doring the pandemic. It was really a Rememberable gaming experience and moment seeing that we was all locked down. Those players now are vets.
It's crazy. Time flys.
Wo Long has improved greatly with the DLC1 & 2 releases - as an avid Nioh/Nioh 2 fan, they are two different games. Parry mechanics change it completely. Truth is Nioh 2 is a Masterpiece. Wo Long is a different beast. Team Ninja is doing Wo Long justice though and once the final DLC comes out in Dec, it will be a very satisfying and lengthy journey in combat. All in all, someone who hasn't finished the Abyss/Underworld/Depths cannot fully appreciate Nioh 2 (my opinion of course). The content is there but too few reviewers don't spend enough time on it - they shouldn't be reviewing these types of games. I'm glad though we have these amazing gaming experiences.
I played Nioh 2 for the first time after wo long. 300 hours later I don’t think I can play wo long again, Nioh 2 is just too good
Did you beat Wo Long? Is it harder?
@@mac1bc Wo long is by far the easier game
@@Ladiesman-wi2tm yep I agree. I'm playing it now 👍
This is the review I needed and now I hope to find one for Wildhearts/Toukiden 2
Fancy thumbnail my dude. I also like how you managed to squeeze a twofer of Wo Long and Nioh 2 reviews into one video. Crafty.
I broke down and got Photoshop. It took like two fucking hours to do that. It's not very good but it's better. Hopefully I'll get better at it as i do it more.
@Pliny The Welder Don't feel bad. I'm a cheapass who still uses MS paint all the time. 😂
Th me point of wo long is that its not supposed to be like nioh 2. But its own thing
@Sella Huncho Same tbh. Even with all its similarities, it does differentiate itself enough that it doesn't feel like an on-the-nose spiritual successor to previous games like many of Fromsoft games, including Dark Souls 1.
@@goldman77700 this!!
Thank you someone had to say it!
I do agree, mostly. But the picking your perks freely at the BS just feels nice. I remenber how angry I got when Nioh 2 gave me crappy stats😡
1) Nioh 1 was unbalanced, I've got myself an unkillable build using living weapon and can kill most abyss 900+ bosses in just 1-2 attacks.
2) In Nioh 1, you can only have attack +55 -ish (familiarity 0) on the arms, and if you want +attack on the 4 other armors, you must inherit it from a +30, it can also be on 2 accessories, so 7 pieces in total. In Nioh 2, you can have that on 5 armor pieces + 2 accessories + picture scroll + 3 soul cores, so a total of 11 pieces. Because of that, the stats must be decreased of course, otherwise the game would be even more unbalanced.
3) If you reach Dream of the Demon (or Wise, forgot) in Nioh 2, you can actually temper the accessories. In Nioh 1, good luck finding the ideal accessories!
4) In Dream of the Nioh, you also get extra set effects when you have the full armor set.
5) In Nioh 1, it's impossible to have +luck and +attack on all armor pieces. In Nioh 2, it's actually possible to inherit all that using the red inherit symbol.
6) In Nioh 2, star effects are actually quite high stats, like throw weapon damage, and ... yes it's possible to inherit star effects too! Impossible in Nioh 1.
7) In Nioh 1, you can only have 1 mystical skill activated, for a weapon or onmyo/ninjitsu. In Nioh 2, it's possible to have both activated at the same time!
So yes when you first start the game, you think the stats in Nioh 2 are crap, but once you reach way/dream of the Nioh, you understand that it's actually not the case at all.
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I feel like the first mission for Nioh 2 didn't exactly help with the whole stat issue. Kinda made Hide feel less like feudal Japanese Dante and more like feudal Japanese Lester the Unlikely. I've always held that Nioh 2 feels like its difficulty goes in reverse. With the exception of a few bosses, I was just about curb stomping most endgame bosses, yet Mezuki, Yatsu-no-Kami... Those bastards had me ready to put my fist through my monitor.
Seeing this after beating the worst gang fight ever in any Souls (if you played wo long you’ll know what I mean). Nioh 2 was my favorite game of 2020 and Wo long is not a bad souls game, just overrated and way inferior than Nioh 2.
Yes I do
Overrated? All I've seen is hate for it
This king came out right
Nah nioh 1 has the worst gank fights by far. Ninetails and hideyoshi, the two yokai dudes, so many more
Since I don't like that loot aspect very much, it seems I maybe like Wo Long when I try it
I personally prefer wo longs combat, weapons, and story. But nioh 2 has better levels and progression.
Really. I find it just way too easy. Maybe if they had kept a stance switching system but it just feels so much less substantial to me
@@PlinyTheWelder I just prefer having special moves mixed over stance switching also you have to think of this game like it's team ninjas sekiro like and nioh is a souls like. Sekiro is radically different than the souls series and I think wo long is better then sekiro just like nioh is better than dark souls
Also people were praising the story because most of us loved dynasty warriors and they made a fantasy fiction version of the story if you are not familiar with romance of the three kingdoms which dynasty warriors is based off you don't realize how good the story actually is.
@@goldenglowmaster8510 Still found the story mid asf
I love your descriptions of what makes Nioh 2 so amazing. Truly one of the best and most in-depth action games ever made, if not the. I do think Wo was a good game but the issue really is a lack of variety and continuity among the systems. Nioh just has more creativity on offer and you can tell that Wo was trying to be more of a Jack of all trades rather than a master.
i like the jumping, its my Elden Ring to Darksouls 3
I appreciate this review. Just saved me time and money.
Currently playing through Nioh2 again. One thing i will say about the gear, while it has become better, i still think the randomness is Niohs weak point.
In NG you can equip whatever you want and you'll be fine. Way of the strong is basically a trap, as the best you can do is just get past into the next NG+ as quickly as you can while wasting the least amount of time / ressources.
As in the Way of the Demon, your gear from Way of the Strong becomes largely worthless as the now available sets are often just better. Way of the Wise brings new stuff again.
Which is phenomenal, if not for the fact you have to grind dozens of hours to get one (1) set of equipment to where you want it.
Let alone the hundreds of possible builds possible.
Less rng or more targetted crafting options would have enabled a lot more build diversity to actually be enjoeyed instead of becoming a distant dream for most players.
There is a reason so many people use cheat engine to "craft" gear.
The asian approach to grind gaming is strong with this one and it is so weird to me that they would make a game that has tons of possibilities but then bar you from accessing it unless you quit your job and become a fulltime player.
Most of these points are also in nioh 2 but without the grind. Nioh 1 and 2 level design was just awful. I like them both for different reasons.
Nioh 2 had some good levels but unfortunately they are later on in the story like mid- end game. So a new player won’t see it if they decide to quit early. But yes I agree compared to from soft the level design is just worse. But that’s like my only complaint- if your looking at the combat system nioh 2 is just flat out better than any souls game period.
The game could be so much better if they had a bigger budget. I read the financial report on the game and it basically boiled down that team ninja spent had almost 60 percent (compared to nioh 2) less cash to spend and if thats not bad enough they had 14 months less time to make the game when compared to nioh 2. The re used battle music towards the end was nauseating...lol. another great vid bud!!!!
what financial report?
I agree with everything you said in this video.
This is the most accurate Wo Long review well done
to be fair it was literally made by the same people. And Nioh 1 took 13 years to make, so I think it'd be hard to top that system.
Wo long is fun none the less, easily feel like a bad ass. My main gripe is enemy diversity.
Yes, it's difficult enough, comparing it with other modern games. It must not be crushing difficult. If you learned it's systems, you deserve to win. Is still fun.
Wolong missed out on gear drops and ability building/hero building
Nioh 2 doesn't have a lot of reviews because most people can't beat it, including me. Ego aside, it's just beyond me.
It's not that hard though. If you utilise everything at your disposal Niho 2 is a pretty easy game.all the elites are cheese able if you feel like you didn't approach them properly (except that stupid tengu , KFC chicken has no weaknesses.)
I died like 20 times from the first boss and 50 from the stupid snake .
But both taught me 2 different play styles which is enough to beat the game.
I still can't beat the first boss and its been patched twice
Boss fights are slot machines designed as encounters. Thats literally all you need to know
I don’t understand how anyone can say the first boss is hard at all I literally ran through that man no problem dodging his attacks at all I blitz this man I just can’t believe anyone struggled
I disagree about the first boss being bad design. I actually think he's good design.
1st phase - tougher human enemy, basic rules apply. It's testing if you have learned that aggression is best against human opponents, while respecting their "red" attacks. Teaches that some bosses can do two "red" attacks in a row.
2nd phase - tougher demon enemy. Big demons cannot be staggered, you must play by their rhythm. Tests that you have learned the deflect mechanic. Teaches that deflects can break parts of demons when countering "red" attacks, preventing them from using certain abilities.
The problem is that the level leading up to him doesn't do enough to teach all of this and emphasize the deflect mechanic before the boss tests you on it. The demon tiger does, but he's off of the main path and many players might not fight it.
That's what I'm saying. Actually it's a GREAT designed boss. The issue is it's terrible design after that level. The level needed several enemies that demand parrying. I actually think he's one of the best bosses in the game but he's just at the end of a very bad tutorial level.
Nioh and Nioh 2 have first levels that do a much better job. But yeah he's a great boss but the tutorial is awful. I might have misspoke if that's what i said
Love the HS references at the end!!! Lol
I finished Wo Long and not Nioh 2.
Maybe now I’ll go back
Everything you said makes me wanna buy wo long and not nioh 2.
I like jumping
I dont like crafting and complex item stuff .
I like to unlock weapons , and use , play, slay .
Finish the game once with everything maxed out . I dpnt like grinding .
The only thing I like complex is gameplay and combat - platforming
I actually really liked “Strangers of Paradise”! I thought it was a great mix-up of the Souls formula with Final Fantasy.
my main issue with wo long is that it gets 20 fps and feels awful on mouse ;-;
Finally, a video that actually goes over what Nioh 2 did way better than Wo long if you look at the combo vids of Nioh 2 vs Wo long the combat is night and day difference. Nioh 2 strongest feature is the fact that comboing felt like you were doing a Tekken combo meanwhile wo long is... just mainly light atks...
Already achieved platinum for both games.
Story and Gameplay is way better in Nioh 2 compared to Wo Long.
I still hope that Wo Long would improve with the DLC's.
Played every dark souls just beat so long my second time playing nioh 2 rn that’s why I’m watching this and I hate this game combat
Thank you for voicing my inner thoughts in regards to Wo Long. I platinumed both Nioh 1 and 2 because the gameplay loop in both games was just so much fun but Wo Long's gameplay loop honestly sucks. Doesn't help the lack of combat options compared to Nioh 2 is quite a giant issue. I was planning on reserving my full judgement for it though until all the DLC (just like with Nioh 1 and 2's additional DLC stories) might add more stuff to it, hopefully it's GOOD stuff...
I know I'm late but after playing wo long I noticed none of you youtubers actually understand the game that's why you guys keep saying the same thing
I'm not a TH-camr dude. I'm a manual laborer. But I'll bite. What, exactly, don't i understand about the game? There's not too much to understand. It's an action game that's shallower and easier then the Nioh games.
Obviously team ninja ALSO didn't think it was as good because they put this one right on game pass instead of selling it.
If a big third party studio puts something directly on game pass that's a pretty good sign they don't consider it one of their best games.
Also just to let you know. I literally never watch any other video or read any review about a game if i plan on doing a video.
@@PlinyTheWelder all I'm saying is is you missed stuff in the game simple so did many others and I played the other games I think they are better by a little and person opinion nome of the souls like games are hard just have a learning curve that is easy if you just take the time to learn
@@agentxhollow7798 The game is too easy and parts that are hard are hard for bad reasons. It is objectively worse than Nioh 1 and 2 feelings are not a factor in it.
My theory is that they wanted to make a game easy for beginners of souls like games that could allow for a broader audience to enjoy.
I love Nioh & Nioh 2, but got damn i sucked ass at it for a while. Its very hard at first to understand all the mechanics.
yeh most of these complaints kind of come off as it just being easier/more accessible and less complex. Which is a sin to allot of gamers lol.
Wo long is a lot easier than Nioh. The parry system is tweaked Soul shield system from SOP. Which I disagree with you saying it's the worst game of last year. The combat is excellent it just needed more mobs and bosses so it didn't get repetitive. Also Wo long can only be judge till after all dlc is released
I think it's kinda unfair to compare Wo Long to nioh 2, it is however fair to compare it to Nioh 1. Which between these 2 is better isn't as straight forward an answer and I'm sure if Wo Long would ever get a sequel, just like Nioh 2, it would build and deepen all of it's system and be a solid title, but Wo Long has seen such a negative reception that I highly doubt a sequel will ever see the light of day. It was fun for what it was, and now with 2 of it's DLC out, it gave us new enemies, new mechanics and so on' But even then it still falls a bit short, those extra enemies should have been in the base game and it still lacks in many areas that makes the game quite hard to enjoy a NG+ run, the power up from 4 to 5* just isn't good enough and I do not feel like getting to NG+++ to start having fun with custom builds and unique effects.
Wo Long looks like a PS2 game with PS4 graphics. And parts of me loves it, but it could have been so much more.
I agree with your points. After doing all the Wo Long main and side missions, I can safely say it was a fun game.... but not even close to the enjoyment I got out of the Nioh games.
I guess some people like the more watered down mechanics, but I certainly hope Rise of the Ronin brings back the complexity and spectacular combat variety of Nioh 2.
I certainly hope Rise of Ronin is not a flop like Wo Long and strangers of paradise. Right now they don't have a good track record going
In Wu long ke not make elemenat wepons or not call any on some side mission do not call any
im pretty sure it feels cheap cause nioh 2 was able to reuse a lot of assets form nioh 1
pretty sure if we get wo long 2 itll look and play better
Wo Long is more akin to Sekiro than Nioh to me
I mean nioh series...
I think a lot of people that think wo long is better than nioh 2 probably haven't spent enough time on nioh 2 to understand it or see what it has to offer.
Agreed. If you've spent any time with Nioh 2 you realize how much depth there really is. You can beat that game without using any of the weapon skills but once you really dig in that whole system takes the combat to another level
Honestly, I played through and beat both Wo Long and Nioh, but here's the thing. I mainly prefer Wo Long for one simple thing:
The early game in Wo Long didn't make me wish the game had an easy mode.
And not to mention that it's just kinda ridiculous and illogical that a bandit who's hardly equipped with much in the way of armor and something just sharp enough to cut and be called a sword can make mincemeat of a decked out half demon with protective armor and works as a demon hunter by trade in just a few swings.
This is 100% correct.
Duh, theyre two different games.
I was listening to the part about the last boss, called the "Blindfolded boy", and you said "your eyes don't matter". It is almost like Team Ninja did that on purpose! :D
Other than that, I am not purchasing Wo Long. I had a feeling Nioh2 was better. The only reason why Wo Long is better is the consistent deflects. I like deflecting, and Nioh2 is all over the place with limitations on what can be parried. Not cool, but also the reason I always come back to using the Odachi.
Aw man this is the first review I saw of this game (didn't even know it existed) and wow is your take on it making me lament the fact that just because trophy stats show like 50% or more of people never get past Nioh or Nioh 2's first one or two bosses Team Ninja decided to make their game more mainstream for the sake of appealing to reviewers rather than those who've been singing Nioh's praises for years now. I'm not one of those "all game journalists are toxic" types but in this case I think they really are the cause for the issues here (likewise with why Elden Ring makes Sekiro 2 less likely to happen or at least be deprioritized... hell Sekiro didn't even get DLC and there was so much hinted at in the story that could have been built upon)
Nah man, this game wasn't made by the same team that worked on Nioh. Still the same company obviously but comparing the credits between this game and Nioh, you will see why this game is worse than Nioh. This is the director's first game. I'm not sure what they have the Nioh team working on, hopefully Nioh 3, but it's probably that Ronin game they have coming out on PS5 next year.
@@JohnDoeWasntTaken Which is good news because it means nioh wasnt a one hit wonder.
The game journalists are just a defence mechanism, they are appealing to souls players
Elden Ring was a hit despite any backlash, and id say Sekiro went under the radar since it was too intense for most souls players and also it wasnt really a souls-like, you know, like Nioh
I liked Wo Long, but it has some serious baffling issues. Agro range My god enemies follow you over the entire map. The camera is too low and not of centre so if you have a big weapon on your back you can't see the enemies in front of you. enemies and NPC running in place because the path finding system is buggy. The Story is basically nioh 1 and 2 combined but in China.
Dude. WHY is the camera so low? It's really odd isn't it? As i was playing i was thinking "Was the nioh camera this low and i just didn't realize?". But no. The camera is much lower. It's not a problem when you're fighting the big monsters which is probably why that's when the game feels great. But any normal human sized boss is a mess. That final boss is insane. Surely they realized you literally can't see him because the camera is behind the player?
waaa, no way it got good reviews as nioh2 wu long is at 82 nioh 2 at 89
i totally agree with everythingb you have said about this game 100%
calling stranger of paradise combat boring is an absolutely insane take and simply proves you didn't play it for more than an hour
I love Nioh 1/2 but I had way more fun with this game, probably cause it’s a lot easier lol
i love Nioh 1,2
“Wo long is NOT nioh 3, it’s like a de-evolution of nioh- it’s like nioh .75” 😂😂😂 all jokes aside nioh 2 will go down as one of my favorite games ever. I think it ranks even higher than bloodborne for me and that’s saying something
Wo Long is great
Nioh 2 should have been SO much better reviewed. Even though the story isn't great and some of the sound is a bit wonky, the world is absolutely beautiful and...THAT COMBAT! It's so much evolved from regular Soulslike's that it's not really even fair to call it one anymore. No other game in the genre is so rewarding to ultra-aggressive play. Most Fromsoft games are best played defensively, but if you try those tactic's with Nioh you're really gonna have a bad time lol. Every enemy will PUNISH defensive play. It's so much fun to absolutely wreck an entire level! I really can't praise this game enough.
To the enemy variaty comparison to souls games. Yes, Nioh 2 has prolly far less, but they have a lot more depth. Most Souls enemies have like 2-3 different moves/attack strings and that's it. Nothing wrong with it and they make the area feel unique, but it's still an unfair comparison. Great video! You pretty much mentioned everything that is an issue for me with Wo Long. Especially the performance on PC. Loading times being like 10-15 seconds between maps??? Nioh 2 has a loading time of maybe 1-3 seconds. This year seems to be the year, where japanese companies realize how much money they make with PC games in the west, but don't have the budget to optimize their games for PC, but instead deliver a poor PC port without ever fixing it. Wo Long, Wild Hearts, ... I'd much rather have games release on consoles first like Nioh 2 did and then there's a PC version 9 months later.
Nioh 2 is my favorite game to date on PS4/5, but Wo Long was also really fun and enjoyable - and I enjoyed it a lot more than any of the "souls" games. Team Ninja makes combat so good that those games just aren't enjoyable and awkward to play
thye have a bigger game coming up which is rise of ronin
not nioh 3 but i wish it is
The loot system in Wo long is meant to behave as materials for your gear customization. It works great if you look at it that way.
I moved to Wo Long from Nioh 2 and am having more fun because of deflect 🎉
I played the Wu Long demo and thought it was garbage compared to Nioh 2. I'll stick to Nioh 2 thanks (over 1000 hours easily). I look forward to Nioh 3 🙏
I love strangers of paradise 😂
5 minutes in and you convinced me to redownload Nioh 2 😌 I do miss it. I still enjoy Wolong so far though, takes me back to when Nioh first came out and moreso now that I'm on ng+. I will say the loot system is hell and we could use more enemy and overall weapon attack variety.
As someone who wants to have fun and not do PhDs on video games, not having to deal with a stamina bar and stance switching makes Wo Long infinitely better than Nioh 1/2 for me. Appreciate the insight though. Maybe once I’m done with WomLong I’ll come back to Nioh 2
so basically Nioh is too hard for you and that's why you think wo long is better
so basically Nioh is too hard for you and that's why you think wo long is better
Is it even a souls game, or comparable to Nioh or RotR, when it has no R1 Ki Pulse ?
I'm playing it right now and to me it feels like a AA game. If it was realesed before nioh 1, I would have called nioh 1 a good improvement on the predecessor. Thanks for the review, I hope more people get to subscribe to your channel.
Thinking about trying Wo Long. I played Nioh 2 for about 20 hours and I just can’t get the stamina down. I also dislike the stance system, and I hate the key burst mechanic. I do however really enjoy the combat, so I’m thinking Wo Long might be just what I’m looking for, similar combat without all the extra stuff like stances and stamina and ki bursts to think about.
That is the combat? How can you hate all of that, but like the combat?
I just told you. What? @@KIMBER45izlegit
How about take some time to actually learn it. You just described basically the entire game, don't be a fucking quitter
Some things are better done, defense, parry, dodging, control response, jumps, co-op, also, does someone else need to tell you how to fight an enemy? if you can parry parry there is no need to avoid but you can do both, if you can do both what suits you, this is no nursing game that will let you just parry everything or dodge, you can make decisions and adapt based on your playstyle and your enemies, oh but the game did not tell me, is because you came in destroying everything and did not pay attention, most reviewers are like that, they come to play thinking in their review without understanding the game, just another task, the camera is just normal, you can move it or you can as you said check out how to fight aerial attacks, final boss is done in that way so you can make mistakes when parrying, this people. difficulties may improve the game indeed, a harder mode for example or letting you play as the team would be great, being Guan Yu sounds awesome.
Bosses are better in a few places, designs, their pace, how you interact with them etc. We need more weapon variety and combos indeed.
Maybe its me, I could not stand Elden Ring, you are supposed to be able to go everywhere then you go and die against every enemy so you need to farm or play in the most slow possible way, or spam spells, I think this game is not a 9 it can be a lot better, but not sure about the extremely aggresive attack on it, the plot is also better, parry is not done with Y but B, do you really know what you are talking about? for example Cao Cao is multiple times with you and mentioned, so yeah, not sure I guess its taste after all, I feel strangers of paradise more like Nioh than Wo Long and there are some things I enjoy more in SoP like the plot, the speed, the parry system the perfect defense, Wo Long has better magic also, they are different but not mediocre, people worked hard and you can see it, it definitely could have been better.
Team Ninja can do it better, a better story will help, less approach to the from software terrible designs, but players need to stop thinking if a game is good because you die a lot or not, oh but how many times did you die on animal crossing, you could get a real challenge in life, a game is not good if the enemy is infinitely stronger than you, take for example the Monk in Sekiro good pace, good moveset, good timing, that's a good boss, but you can say that Demon of Hatred is a better boss because you cannot see shit and you are hacking at his crouch for minutes, oh what a masterpiece well, no, that's the thing, that's why Owl and Ishin are better bosses.
Isshin is the best boss in games history. I liked Wo Long but you have to admit the combat isn't up to the standards of Nioh 2. I liked Elden Ring well enough but i found many bosses annoying and i don't like the open world map.
Wo Long feels like a game I'll probably play a couple more times because the combat feels really good and fluid but i play Nioh 2 like twice a year every year.
The stance switching, skills and Yokai abilities makes that combat system second to none. DMC 5 had a great system too but Nioh 2 is basically perfect.
Personnaly I LOVE THIS GAME ! Why ?! Because I love his story, and of course his combat system ! Easy ? Maybe when you have in hand his mecanics but combat are dynamic, it's speed, quick ... love that ! And the progression in level. I have take a lot of pleasure with it.
Did they fix the lore of the characters scrolling Down automatically too fast lol. I quit reading it because of that
The developers didn't even care to make a manual drop down on the bestiary lore. Let alone the simpliest complain that they have constantly got since the game being released for months (SWITCHING MARTIAL ARTS BETWEEN SAME TYPE OF WEAPON), they could have released the function and then limited it like they did with Tamahagane in NIOH 2 but once again they don't. Instead we - gamers who play the game got the M.A switching active button which is the function already had to have for a decent gameplay. And i haven't mention about Equipment comparison function didn't exist in 1.0.0
nioh 2 is peak gaming, nioh2 is literally better than darksouls
Nioh 2 is dog shit
agree and its even harder (in the first playtrough if you dont min max) and ive playied the whole series
@@cykablyat3680I personally found the first playthrough pretty easy other than the areas up to the snake god which were pretty rough (later NG+s tho hoo boy)
They should of just made nioh 3 lol
Seriously.
I have never seen anything so relatable than this, I do not think we'll ever get a game like nioh 2 . let's just appreciate what we had and move on.
@@baikamdajel That's my thoughts, as well. Nioh 2 raised the bar pretty high. My expectations for anything better are very low.
But, hey. Maybe they'll surprise us and Rise Of The Ronin will be an ACTUAL 9/10 game.
Judged by the fans, NOT the mainstream game journalists.
Rise of the Ronin is their next game coming out in probably 2024 for PS5.
@@tb1235 Yeah, I'm aware.
I have high hopes for Rise Of The Ronin.
Just give it amazing combat and make everything else decent, and I'll be happy
Great combat in a game is the main source of entertainment for me. Although, I am starting to really appreciate other areas of games, like level design and good music.
But for me, those are just a plus.
But if they're good or great alongside amazing combat, that's just the cherry on top! Haha
Wholeheartedly agree - Wo Long is perfectly _fine_ and fun and all, but its flaws become _really_ apparent once you compare it to the Nioh games. Hell, in my mind even when comparing it to Stranger of Paradise (which I actually loved, fascinatingly moronic story and all) - even setting aside the comparative lack of complexity and the confusing absence of obvious QoL features, a lot of the systems in play in Wo Long are just sloppily integrated and border on being pointless.
It feels like an ill thought-out side project, not a step forward. Comparing it to Sekiro does it absolutely no favours either. It's a stylish, but shallow title - which is fine!
I think wo long is better because how streamlined it is. I really hate that diablo loot system. I just want to focus on the action and it's what wo long is more leaning into
Facts not to mention the parry system is way better than Nioh 2. Nioh is over the top complicated while wo long is simple but did right
@@jaybud400And your character didn't feel like a sniveling whimp whom the lore hyped up as this big demon hunting badass.
This game does things differently for different purposes. It has extremely satsfying combat. I am not saying its better than nioh 2 but its certainly also not worse. Wo Long's game feel is insanely great
They took all the complexity of Nioh out and just made it a generic soulslike, same as the 100 other clones.
@@shadysorkin9214 You don't know what you're talking about. Show me any other soulslike or even any other game that comes close to this level of satisfying parries.
@@darshanlimbu2904 Feels far more satisfying to parry in Sekiro.
@@shadysorkin9214 Sekiro is a Goat but the game isn't designed specifically with satisfaction and game feel as a priority. Wollong Fallen Dynasty is
@@darshanlimbu2904 Literally no clue what you mean by 'satisfaction and game feel'. You asked me to name any game has more satisfying parries and Sekiro does. The core combat mechanic is just a worse Sekiro and build variety is simplified from the Nioh franchise. Not sure why you are defending the title so hard when it's shadowed by better games.
While nioh 2 is my second favourite game of all time I think you are being too harsh on wo long.
What you need to remember is that wo long is ultimately a new game and a new IP and that is exactly the time to experiment with new stuff and bring in a different audience. And being a new Ip it obviously doesn't have as much budget as an established ip.
The intention with wo long was clearly to simplify the gameplay as much as possible to appeal to an audience that prefers simplicity and getting into the action. And these are the people that mostly prefer wo long to nioh 2. Which isn't to say that team ninja are appealing too much to casuals, I mean check out lilaggy, he's one of the best sekiro players ever and really didn't like nioh 2 but actually played and is finishing wo long.
The game has faults of its own in that regard because sometimes I feel its not simple enough. Such as having far too much loot for a game of this nature.
Ultimately nioh is nioh and wo long is wo long. Which you will like more is dependent on your preferences and the success of either will only bring more players to both and future team ninja games.
Nioh is king of all games in my humble yet truthful opinion
Wu Long= what happens if you listen the casuals crying in a game which ment for sweatis.
I get it and we all have opinions but one thing idk if you’re going to talk about, is Nioh is only on PlayStation so so many didn’t get to play Nioh or 2. I barely got a PlayStation so yeah I get how it’s basically the same but different too. I like both but so far Nioh is better. Don’t get me wrong there’s some thing about Wo Long I like better. I also don’t want my games the same like some will complain about with Dark Souls and which one they like better. I like them all bc they’re different but the same. I’m About to play the second. Hell I’m still waiting on Team Ninja to come out with NG4 that will never happen. Ninja Gaiden black on master ninja difficulty is still one of my fav game play to this day. Yeah a $10 copy I got delivered from GameStop that game still plays well today. Playing NG Black and NG2 on master Ninja is still some of the hardest game play today and since all these hardcore gamers don’t talk about it makes me feel like a lot of gamers didn’t get to master ninja difficulty.
I agree with on the skill tree in wo long. It’s horrible and you can get so many skills you can lose. Nioh is way better even on the first game. If they only improve things on the second game makes me think all I’ll do on first game is beat it then go to 2 bc I’m lvl 120 or so and at the end boss.
I’m mixed with you on putting what I want into a weapon. I agree makes it easier but it does ruin the over n over grinding. I guess it depends what n how bad RNG is. I definitely don’t agree on the martial art attacks. I refused to use some so I would definitely grind for those attacks being what I want
After listening to you at the end some of the problem is you yourself 🤣 no diss but seriously just bc you won’t do something doesn’t mean all games should make that for you. I mean do you but don’t knock something bc you don’t do a certain thing and refuse to change. Honestly I know you won’t care bc I’m getting I look at everything else can be but myself vibe
I heavily agree with you and n taking it easy on devs. At least these games we play aren’t near as bad as some out that I’ve refused to buy most day one games. I wait for a sale and maybe I’ll play it honestly. Games in general are so much worse today that my catalog of games are filled with games I paid $10-$20 for bc I wasn’t gonna take a chance at $70 and still might not play them
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I feel I'm drawn to more simplistic combat mechanics, like sekiro for example. all you need is an attack and parry mixed with other minor stuff. I'm not one to dive into every little detail and all the core mechanics of the game. i just simply want to fkup bosses, and with nioh 2 you have to learn so much. not saying nioh 2 is a bad game, I'm actually enjoying it, but compared to sekiros simplicity it just doesnt hit the same. hopefully rise of the ronin nails it for me, if not im all in for phantom blade 0 lmao.
The hear system in WL is way way way better than nioh
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You put a lot of what i didn't like into words. I thought i was feeling pessimistic, but yeah. It didn't look like a 60$ game based on the demo. My thoughts about the last demo was wether that was the worst part of the game. Which already was a red flag. I did enjoy the demo, but I'll wait for a sale. I think it did better then Nioh, because it's easy. That's all it is. Reviews on Nioh 2 were harsh, because the game picked up right after nioh 1, and cut you no slack. That difficulty was cranked for new players. Total turn off.
Maybe the Japanese subconsciously or not? Didn't want to make a Chinese myth game better or equal that of Niohs lol
I not played Nioh. I think me is to complex. Wo long is fast action game, with some souls mechanic.
For me personally, Wo Long is better than Nioh games. It suits my playstyle better. Personal preference is important people.
Wo Long is better this guy is just making click bait
@@unrhu Wo Long is so shit compared to Nioh 2 it's not even funny 🤦🏾♂️
Wo long is top tier crap, I should've been paid for playing it.
Nioh 2's base combat is a bit more deep than Wo Long w the different stances, but I think the Yokai abilities were kinda tacked on and unfinished vs the magic in Wo Long (magic and martial arts on are a pretty low cooldown so they are fun to use). Nioh 2 also looks a lot better. I think the level design is pretty good in Wo Long and I enjoy the boss variety. I think the combat in Nioh 2 is too jank and sometimes too unbalanced and hard, like the giant snake boss took me forever in Nioh 2 and I'm usually good at this stuff, it just felt cheap (my experience was the same as the Dunkey video and I watched his after I gave up, I wasn't biased by his vid going in). I think a more polished Nioh 2 in terms of difficulty would be the better game due to it's enemy variety and graphics and stances, but Wo Long just feels way more fun to play and manageable despite the ugly visuals.
also Nioh 2 has you replaying the same areas a lot more than Wo Long, I've found so far
I can tell you probably just did one play through and didn’t really master the combat cos
1. You think it’s a bit deeper than wo long… it’s oceans deeper than wo long.
2. Yokai abilities were not tacked on they were great and and fully fleshed out as intended. Each one had its own utility and strength. Some did big damage but left you open and cost a lot of anima. Others where short and fast just designed to be a cancel on some of your high commitment moves or to keep combos going. Others did great ki damage, some were elemental, some where great situationally such as enki getting you in the air which avoided any low hit boxes… Such a great system.
3. If you struggled with the snake then no offence but you never got good at the game. Compared to some of the dlc bosses and even regular enemies on higher difficulties he’s a joke
I like how you start each sentence with "I think". Fair enough.
I think that yokai abilities have 1000% more flavor than a coloured particles shooting out of your hands. They also have way more effective variety. Tacked on? What does that even mean? You can use Yokai abilities often if you choose the right ones for your style of play.
In my opinion, if you are bad at Nioh2 combat, you will think it is too jank (whatever that means). The fact that the giant snake boss is an example proves that fact. I don't have problems with that boss, because I have a strategy for my weapon with him. If I overextend, I die, but just yesterday I discovered a direction to a dodge against a certain move that will make that fight even simpler in the future.
The Dunkey video is a comedy. He could do better if he wanted to, I am sure, but the game's style is not for everyone, and he has other videos to make. As a comedy piece I think that his review of Nioh2 was great.
I, too, bashed Elden Ring bosses a lot for their neverending combos etc. I understand. I was not interested in slogging through the boring open world to sometimes experience fun, meaningful combat enough to learn the ins and outs of boss movements. Others have learned enough to find openings in boss patterns that I never thought possible.
In conclusion, it is totally fair for you to feel that Wololong is more fun to play. Those are your feelings afterall!
Damn this guys talking about the game being easy as shit meanwhile im getting slapped by the second boss lol
Just re started playing nioh2 and its such an amazing game. I wouldn't mind playing in a Chinese lore game but they messed it up honestly. I feel like there gonna make a wolong 2 but better just like they did with nioh 1 and 2.. nioh is just simply better. I get they wanted to change it up and stuff with the seikro thing but if i wanted that id just play seikro. We'll never get a nioh 3 or something close to it huh? :( lol
I even read some comments under here not liking nioh 2. It's understandable. But no. Wolong is all simple. It's simple boring and stale. Wolong is simple for simple minded people. Team ninja dumbed it a down for players. Those "I'm not good at souls games" it's that simple. Think about it. THINK MARTIN. THINK. USE YOUR BRAIN lol
This is so petty lol
probably has not played the very endgame....
havent even played this game and probably never will, nioh in general is amazing to me and i have played both…story sure is kinda bad but everything out of that makes my fav souls like game probably the only one i wanna play tbh…make nioh 3 ffs
I agree 100% with you. this game is a disappointment... And i can't understand why so many people compare it to nioh and talk about evolution. critics always praise new products, but in reality many games backtrack to promote sales to as wide an audience as possible
Wo Long is amazing. I just 100/100 it on Xbox
Asmongold TV rage quit because the difficulty.
Maybe the game isn't easy, maybe you are that good.
Also remember that, as many other games, the first playthrough is the Easy Mode.
Finish it again, fulfill all the content, then claim it was easy.