Pokémon Punches are JANK, this is why
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 26 ส.ค. 2024
- A Pokémon with Iron Fist ability is supposed to boost the power of punching moves, but what is a punching move really? Why do pokemon without arms learn punching moves and why do moves that use arms and fists sometimes not count as punches? I explain that here on my tutorial about Iron Fist ability.
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Don't let this distract you from the fact that Hitmonchan has Iron Fist, but Hitmonlee has no boost on kicking moves
Hi jump kick is strong enough!
Jump Kick and Hi Jump Kick can both do recoil so Reckless still kinda makes sense and in Gen4 the only non fighting kick move was blaze kick, so the ability would be kinda pointless
Iron Soles - 20% Boost on kicks. (Because I like My Hero Academia)
Lead Foot
Reckless boosts the power of High Jump Kick
2:10 Oh wow, they REALLY should've gone with "Cheap Shot". It's such a perfect, yet understandable name. It just _feels_ right. It feels like a name for a Pokemon move.
...But then people might wonder why Bulletproof doesn't block Cheap "Shot".
A sucker punch is a cheap shot or surprise attack
That may be confused with a ranged attack though, like a shot, so then people might think it's a special move.
I like ambush personally
@@ellie8272 Sucker Punch makes more sense as it's a well established term thats more easily understood as what it is
Don’t forget that iron fist is strictly inferior to all the other specific attack style boosting moves. Sharpness and strong jaw both give a 1.5x boost vs iron fists 1.2.
I'm hype for Sharpness, for sure.
I realized this with my iron fist palmi in my violet playthru and it really confused me when I realized it's so much worse then all other abilities like it. Including tough claws which boosts all contact moves...
I mean reckless is also 1.2×
@@CammyMeeleTea it's alr there on Gallade and Veluza
That might be to keep GF weird sense of how balance is supposed to work. If iron fist was 1.5 then things like Melmetal and Conk would be absurd damage dealers. Well they already are but drain punch doing all that damage while healing could be busted
My most frustrating localization moment was finding out that Bulletproof blocks Acid Spray. Don't know why they couldn't have kept the name as Acid Bomb.
Wow, I didn't know that, it's kinda hard to keep up with all the jank localization at times. That move was added in Gen 5 too, so there wasn't a character limit issue (Acid Bomb is shorter than Acid Spray). Maybe I have to do a Bulletproof video...
Its animation even looks like a bomb
Acid Bomb might be too... Intense?
Nintendo of Europe wouldn't be very happy at least
@@1stCallipostle Acid attacks in Europe weren't common at the time of BW's release
@@CarboKill Fair enough, but I had to take a jab at them anyway.
Regardless, it is a rather intense name
Headlong Rush being a sumo thing is why Hariyama has it despite not being a Ground type (and by extension, why it used to have Brine, another sumo reference I imagine)
Imagine if Hariyama got Purifying Salt or Salt Cure?
@@CammyMeeleTea Its signature move is Smelling Salts after all.
@@boianko That's the weird thing about it, in Japanese, it's means something like 気付け, resuscitate/restorative. I wonder why it wasn't called 気付ケ薬 in Japanese, cause that's what some labels for Smelling Salts say.
Edit: They both say similar things, but why not be specific.
Doesn't explain whirlwind
@@ytk2508 it has massive hands to create large gusts of wind (because surface area and all) is probably what they were going for
Maybe Comet Punch should've been named Rapid Punch. Would make more sense. Not that I don't like the name Meteor Mash though, it sounds pretty cool.
Why we went with Mash is confusing
Yes I get the alliteration
But would Comet Punch and Meteor Punch coexisting really be that weird
Also gen 3 didn't have transfers from 2, so just changing Comet Punch to Rapid/Consecutive/Meteor/Star punch to give JP Comet Punch it's name back wouldn't have caused issue really
@@1stCallipostle what is confusing about mash
@@leaffinite2001 It's a punch move, and even with "Comet Punch" being taken, there's no reason we had to change the "Punch" part to "Mash" outside of alliteration being pleasing
@@1stCallipostle idk, i feel like mashing is typically done with fists, at least in a fighting context. Something like close combat not counting is far more confusing to me
pokemon could really use a QOL for move icons representing their categories like punching, cutting, biting etc and effects like crit chance+, flinch, paralyze, etc.
also could be opportubity for more specific move subtype boosting abilities. like one for boosting kicks, headbutts, claws (we just got cutting move boost, claws is close to it but dont get boosted)
but honestly at this point they should consider localization renaming for many moves, but theyre stubborn about retroactive changes for some goddamn reason.
Tough claws?
@@anusthing though claws boosts every contact move. i was thinking just claw moves, like metal claw, shadow claw, crush claw, perhaps scratch and others that dont have claw in the name but are claw moves.
In Italy we got a relocalozation of some moves once
How long did it take to fix "faint attack"? Gen 6?
@@intensellylit4100 I think so.
The fact that Ledian can have the Iron Fist ability, yet has a pathetic attack stat will never not be hilarious to me.
Not to mention that ledian only naturally learns 2 punches, both of which are weak in power. (Comet punch with an odd 18 bp, and mach punch with a 40 bp. And no STAB)
And its dex entry mentions its weak punches
iron fist really needs something with more oomph than a damage boost that's inferior not only to abilities like strong jaw, but to even tough claws or adaptability. It would be cool to see it changed to +2 crit ratio on punching moves, or have it ignore one resistance for punching moves, like a more limited tinted lense.
Iron fist giving a focus energy/scope lens boost while a dmg boost? I love this idea actually (since like you mentioned iron fist is inferior to its sibling abilities that function better and easier to understand)
When your Fire Punch does more damage with Sheer Force
@@1stCallipostle the funny thing I love abt tough jaws is how the ability gives you a dmg boost while BOTH chances to flinch+inflict status 🥰🥰🥰 counter balance is that most jaw/bite moves are decently weak in power
Ironfist should be like 1.2 boost and unaffected by contact. (Cuz your iron fists doesnt get hurt by iron barbs and the likes)
Would make it stronger than just more damage
@@TheRedAzuki bypassing static/flame body/effect spore and the like, hell even even aftermath would be miraculous.
Fav punch is consecutive normal punch
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The character limit is also why certain moves, items and abilities used to have no spacing between words, e.g. Ancient Power was Ancientpower, Thunder Stone was Thunderstone and Compound Eyes was Compoundeyes. Those got 'fixed' in Gen 6 because the character limit increased.
For the hammer moves, it at least makes sense for Wood Hammer to not be boosted by Iron Fist (and thus not be counted as a punching move). It is specifically stated to be more like a tackle in the move description, although that still means its name is flat out incorrect ("hammer" in an attack name usually refering to a hammer fist, a specific type of strike with... well, your fists). In the long list of names for a Grass-type Double-Edge, a type of punch isn't one I'd come up with, personally. "Wood Charge," as basic as it is, would at least be a more accurate pick.
As for Crabhammer, that move is just an anomaly. What else would a crab attack with, if not its big ahh forelimbs that are used primarily for grasping?
A pincer isn't a a fist
Why not “Tree fall”?
Would you care to restate that last statement, rapscallion?
Wood Hammer was a punch in the anime
@@philiphunt-bull5817 Used by what pokemon? iirc, it was mostly used by Torterra or Abomasnow, one was a tackle, one was a punch (kind of)
As a translator and interpreter, I find profound joy when this matter is finally brought up.
That's so cool. I love foreign language, I love hearing it, I love writing in it, I love singing in it.
Want to remind that headlong rush (120 BP move) is boosted by iron fist :v
But honestly seeing how iron fist boosts drain punch and the melmetal move I can totally understand why is only a 20% increasement
You know what is really stupid, punching gloves don't stack with iron fist.
Whack
Say sike right now
it actually does, you can check in-game, idk why serebii and bulba etc still write it as they didn't (it as outdated test, ppl had been retesting it and confirmed they do stack) even tho they did
Ahmmm it does v:
Apparently it does, but if it doesnt would putting on a punching glove over an iron fist make the fist more punchy? May make it softer.
Wicked blow, surging strikes, plasma fist, and rage fist are all boosted by the punching glove, which raises the power of punching moves by 10%(as well as prevents contact)
I love the idea of this! I've always been interested in these type of move "Archetypes" so to speak such as sound based moves and ballistic moves. I always get blocked by bulletproof when I don't realize that certain moves are ballistic.
I love that you made an entire second move template for Smash Bros. attacks that appears for a whole 1 second. That kind of effort is why I'm subscribed
I do it for viewers like you.
Very good explanation of a good topic that not that many players know about. You won a subscriber!
iron fist is (most of the time) just used to get 90 bp elemental punches (maybe stronger priority moves if they have them) and maybe a stronger drain punch.
they should add more punching moves
My favourite pumching move is Focus punch bc it becomes a ridiculous power of not hit. And with follow me it can be a easy KO.
It is very fun. It is a fighting type Giga impact but stronger and if done right has no recoil/after effect. Just very fun to use on Terra fighting Crabbrawler😄❤
You would've loved playing 20 years ago when SubPunch was a common strategy
Wait, headlong rush is boosted by iron fist? I mean based on it's inspiration, it makes some sense. In-game, where the move is just running at someone with a big body tackle and none of the pokemon who learn it have real fists, nor the ability iron fist? Little weird.
Iron Fist not boosting Close Combat, a move who’s animation typically involves a lot of rapid punches, will always bother me
Especially when Headlong Rush (which is the exact same in terms of effect but ground type) and has no *obvious* punching is
pokemon really needs to add a more advanced screen for attacks which show what 'traits' it has, like if it's a powder or punching move or something. If it makes contact, if it's a sound move, just pretty much anything you need to know.
I think they don't want to confuse children or whatever but it's much more confusing to see "A boost to punching moves" and then not know exactly what those are. or that powder moves don't work against grass types, sure you can google it but relying on your community to explain your games for you is pretty bad.
honestly this sort of thing is standard in games now, it wouldn't be hard to do. have the base damage number be white and then have a green number next to it that's the boosted number. if you select it then it explains what it's being boosted by.
have the stats screen show what the base stats are along with the new boosted stats if you've used sword's dance or something. What do the arrows mean? I use swords dance and get two arrows? ok? how much is each arrow? my attack was sharply increased? cool?
What about the “Fang” moves? A measley 65 BP, and 95 accuracy for absolutely no reason at all.
Holy smokes so much info in 4 minutes great video
the biggest flaw with iron fist is, that it is a way worse tough claws in every aspect
“Consecutive Punches” gives off a very One Punch Man-like vibe.
Great video, surprised when I saw the amount of subs you have! Hope you continue to grow
Latr Gatrs is such a great outro line.
Drain Punch and Meteor Mash are my favourite punching moves
Drain punch, by far. It's so satisfying having pulled off two-three bulk ups and having drain punch to just regain the lost hp.
I used to run a pawmot with all the elemental punched (fire, ice, and electric) and revival blessing. It was a blast in singles
This doesn’t even come close to how convoluted bulletproof is. „Does the move have Cannon, Ball or Bomb in it‘s name in japanese“ is already difficult enough (acid spray and aurasphere are affected, for example) but you also need to remember that some moves like Flash Cannon aren‘t affected for no reason at all. Also, it literally changes every generation
Also Focus Blast ("Fighting Spirit Bullet").
Charizard was the OG user of Headlong Rush. Just like Warlock Punch (which was in TOTK), Headlong Rush started as an attack in Smash that made it back to its user’s native franchise.
We agree.
Woth the hammer moves. One is a reckless tackle and another uses pinchers to hit the enemy. At least Hammer Arm and Ice Hammer state them using there fists
Yeah, it's just a reality that you have to Google so many of these moves to make sure.
"Iron fist Golurk would like to know your location"
Serious Series Consecutive Serious Punches
Is mayonnaise a punching move?
How about horseradish?
I think my favorite punching move is Fire Punch, followed by Pound.
With the new Punching glove item, this is really helpful.
Punching Glove’s buff and Iron Fist don’t stack.
2:27 Or that one Proto learns in the Fossil FIghters games. That's all I can think of when I see that move tbh.
You forgot Jet Punch, which is Palafin’s signature move
Nope, I intentionally left it out.
The video is about:
1. Moves that don't have Punch in the name, but are punches.
2. Moves that have punch in the name, but are NOT punches.
Jet Punch is called a punch, and boosted by Iron Fist. It and the other elemental punches work as intended.
Some moves say "punch" but aren't a punching move. I don't know about all of them, but it makes sense with a move like "Sucker Punch." When you sucker punch someone, yes, you could actually punch them, but the whole point of a sucker punch is that it's a sneak attack. This also explains why a pokemon like Hitmonchan logically can't learn that move (too honorable).
Bullet punch is insane on Sizor it make fairy types look like like nothing but a inconvenient thing in the way
Mystic Fire getting reduced distribution doesn't exactly hurt either
Imagine a pokedex In game where you can see what moves are affected by Iron fist.
Favorite punching move drain punch. Holy shit its strong. Ever time i used it even against pokemon who are resistant against fighting type it would either crit or be super effective for some reason.
A Great, Interesting, and Informative Video! 💛💛💛
They couldve localized Consecutive Punch into...i dunno Rapid Jabs?
The reason that Ice Hammer and Hammer Arm are boosted is because their descriptions in both English AND Japanese explicitly state that the user swings its arm or fist to attack. Wood Hammer references slamming the *body* into the foe, and Crabhammer references Pincers, which are not fists.
I guess that depends on the shape of the pincers and the body shape and motion of the Pokémon using the attack.
Crabominable clearly had a sort of hybrid fist/pincer thing going on in its confusing ass design. The only other mon that has limbs with pincers and punching moves that comes to mind is Scizor with its Bullet Punch, but its pincers are enclosed and rounded, and it's more humanoid than insectoid so the action that it's making is definitely a punch, there's no reason it should be excluded from learning them.
Keep in mind these are the games in which both Wooper and Gastly can learn Ice Punch, despite both lacking arms entirely. Logic isn't exactly the strong suit here, we kinda have to make our own.
@@danieldavies3092 Wooper sorta makes sense. Its beta design had front limbs, so they probably forgot to change it after the design change, which stuck to this day. Gastly though... no idea. I _do_ recall however that Haunter couldn't learn the punches in Gen 2, only Gengar could, so perhaps when they fixed it in a later gen, they overcorrected and let Gastly learn them too.
@@robertlupa8273 the reason is primarily because the punches are egg moves in later gens and that means Gastly has to learn them if Haunter and Gengar aren't to be excluded from learning them
@@danieldavies3092 Ah, that makes sense.
1:36 They are Consecutive NORMAL Punches.
The Sucker Punch situation is funny cuz they coulda just gone the route of calling it Low Blow (which is exactly the name it has in Spanish) but I guess Sucker Punch has more of a ring to it which is what matters
I really like that name.
Im german it has the literal translation as name.
Chad uses a siivagunner rip as his outro
We got Sharpness for slice moves and still no ability that boosts kicking :(
The descriptions on screen explain away the inconsistencies of the hammer moves, though.
Yeah, but Headlong Rush and Woodhammer both are described as Full body tackles, but one is a punch and the other isn't.
@@CammyMeeleTea Totally agree Headlong Rush shouldn't be a punch move.
The translation oddities from times before pokemon was developed with translation in mind is fascinating. It's especially interesting as I remember how it changed my perception of words I first learned from moves! I particularly remember being confused by the meaning of "feint", as feint the normal type attack and feint attack the dark type move have such different effects and availability.
Surprise surprise, feint is actually feint (フェイント) while feint attack is sneak/trick attack (だましうち). In general i think a lot of the early dark type moves in were translated terribly
But then there's things like つばめがえし (aerial ace) where i can't really blame them. I remember being extremely confused as to why so many pokemon that cannot remotely fly at all could use a move called "aerial ace". But of course, it was a pun of a sword technique in japanese 🙃
Curse was one of the most confusing. Apparently in Japanese it's a Japanese word that can mean either "curse" or "slow", hence the speed drop.
I'm not sure if the localizer got that pun and just translated one meaning for lack of a better idea, or just missed the pun altogether, but I'd probably have called the move "Pokey" to both reflect the voodoo pin reference of the ghost version of the move and the speed drop of the regular version.
I thought "Faint Attack" was faint, as in hard to see, because the Gen 3 animation made the pokémon fade away.
To be fair on Ice Hammer, it‘s animation used to be Hammerarms animation but with a blue arm and fist.
and this is why Ledian needs a base 95 attack
Why would you name a move called consecutive punch comet punch in English? Rapid Punch would have fit much better and is the same amount of letters.
Exactly! Rapid Punch, Multi Punch, Rush Punch, etc.
Double Punch instead of Double-Slap
The Sucker Punch thing has driven me mad to no end. I immediately realized the meaning of it when I first played Gen IV, but it's still unnecessarily confusing. I've been seeing questions about "Why can Gastly learn Sucker Punch when it has no hands?" for over a decade now. Should've named it Ambush if "Surprise Attack" couldn't fit.
[Also, I had no idea about the hammer conundrum. I find that one to be really silly and also unnecessarily confusing.]
As a Japanese speaker, I want to give a few corrections or clarifications
● At 1:09 you explain Japanese kanji, but the word used on TH-cam for "subscribe" is not 加入 but actually 登録 which roughly translates to "register"
If you switch the TH-cam UI to Japanese, you can clearly see the subscribe button with チャンネル登録 written on it, and the subscriber number is called 登録者数. It's pretty common for Japanese TH-camrs to say stuff like チャンネル登録、高評価よろしくお願いします which pretty much means "please like and subscribe"
It kind of amused me that you wrote an explanation about the word choice, even though it was still wrong.
● It's also worth noting that whilst kanji is something that reduces the number of characters used, kanji isn't actually used in any games until generation 5, and even then it was completely optional, and kanji were still not used in the names of moves, items, and a few other things.
Part of it was due to technological limitations, especially back in the days of the Game Boy, but also because the game is aimed at kids, and kids generally start off learning hiragana and katakana, and then gradually learn kanji as they go through school. As such, stuff for younger audiences typically write with no or minimal kanji in order to be readable.
Legends Arceus was the first game that removed the kanji option from gen 5, and they replaced it with a furigana system, which basically means it's written normally with kanji, but has hiragana written above each kanji so kids can understand. However items and moves are still written without kanji to this day.
● At 2:31, you talk about the Move headlong rush, and when you bring up the Japanese name ぶちかまし I can understand that the word is difficult to properly translate, especially if you don't know Japanese too well. If you write it in kanji it's 打ち噛まし which immediately makes it clear that it's a punch because 打ち means to hit or punch (although this does kinda call into question how sucker punch, aka ふいうち, or in kanji 不意打ち doesn't count as a punch despite also using the same word).
Anyway, ぶちかまし can be interpreted as either a punch in the face, or a head-first charge.
● No localization notes on the hammer moves, but I'll note that the animation of Hammer Arm before the Switch era portrayed the attack with a fist and not a hammer. I think part of the issue is that the animations have gotten a lot lazier which can make stuff like this real confusing, but the in-game descriptions for both moves make it super clear: "The user swings its strong, heavy fist at the target to inflict damage. This also lowers the user's Speed stat."
So in summary: Subscribe is 登録.
Thanks! I don't speak Japanese, so this helps.
comet punch really be consecutive normal punches huh
Iron fist needs to be 1.3 as to not be a strict downhrade from tough claws in ever single feasible way
My top 3 favorite punching moves are: fire punch, ice punch, and electric punch. But if I had to choose just one as my favorite, I would have to go with: fire punch. It's the spiciest punch of them all, not to mention the rarest in pokemon Scarlet and Violet.
When i think of punching pokemon i only think of hitmonchan.
Surprised close combat doesn’t get a boost when the animation has always been a volley of punches
Shhhh, don't tell Game Freak, they might take it away from all the things without proper hands like Staraptor and Great Tusk.
It is small stuff like that that keeps me from getting invested in Pokémon. Alot of the new games and pokemon designs introduce really interesting amd world expanding concepts.
But the game itself tends to be no better than Yugioh where the company decides what should be popular amd they nerf anything that defies that.
Crabhammer not being a Punch move, despite anime-game-manga iterations that clearly define it as a punch, is symptomatic of the underlying design issues.
consecutive punch couldve been translated to multi punch. it takes the same amount of space
Your pronunciation is actually pretty good
Thank you. Lucky for me, it's just because Japanese is one of those languages where everything is consistently pronounced. Unlike a language like English.
The worst part is that I can *sort* of see the logic for Hammer Arm and Ice Hammer being punching moves, but Wood Hammer and Crabhammer not being classified as such, and it mostly lies in what the opponent is being hit with.
Hammer Arm and Ice Hammer infer that the opponent is being struck with a fist or some kind of limb, since it'd be the overhead downward swinging motion of an arm. Wood Hammer is less using a fist directly but potentially using an on-the-spot grown tree or something similar to strike the target with. And Crabhammer isn't using a fist in the conventional sense, it's a physical blow using some kind of crustacean's claw.
...Even though in that case the claw would, in fact, be performing a function similar to a fist. But it's not five digits and balled up, so it doesn't count? I guess?
So at least to me, the logic of what counts for Iron Fist and what doesn't has at least some consistency, because either the move has to explicitly be a punch, be related to the act of punching in some form (either directly or referring to some form of martial art or street fighting involving the upper body or forelimbs,) or the move's description must infer as such (such as how Meteor Mash's description explicitly refers to the attack as a punch.)
Thus it feels like this is all technically correct. The best kind of correct.
(Even with the caveat that if Wood Hammer is creating a wooden construct to hit the opponent with, it raises the question of if it would count if said construct was in the shape of a fist...)
Right, but why not use a Blue fist like Hammer Arm's animation? Why did Ice Hammer use a blue Hammer of ice? That may not convey the proper info to someone facing Ice Hammer for the first time. You gotta catch a Crabominable or look it up, because the animation is unclear.
@@CammyMeeleTea You know, I wish I had a better answer for that one. Ice Hammer's description explicitly describes an arm being swung down, but it uses Wood Hammer's animation but recolored.
But if you want to get even more confused, consider the fact that Ice Hammer is more than likely leaning on Crabominable's status as a Fighting type, but Crabominable doesn't even have hands. Just claws.
Which throws things for a look in my books because by that logic Crabhammer should count too, but it doesn't.
The only thing I can think of is that Ice Hammer is supposed to depict a limb being covered IN ice that's being swung down, but then it loops back to your initial question since they could have just used a blue arm instead of a blue hammer.
Torterra and Exeggutor both can learn wood hammer. So i doubt it is a punching move. As for crabhammer. It prob doesn't count because like it using a crab claw?
Haven't played nor watched SV but dang didn't know pokeballs were rasenshurikens.
A fangame I recently played gave Jet Punch to Crabominable, and the thing became my savior
Christbominable
You could use the Punching Glove.
Don't forget to be grateful that melmetal doesn't have tough claw or technician
The thing with the Hammer moves are the following:
Crabhammer is purely a smack by a Crabs Pincer. It's not punch because they use Pincers.
Wood Hammer is not a punch because it's a literal hammer.
Hammer Arm is obviously a Punch.
Ice Hammer is pretty much a clone of Hammer Arm. The animation in gen 7 was actually the same but Blue as Hammer Arm and it was for a Fighting type that punches. In gen 9 they gave it to Tinkaton and changed it to the Wood Hammer animation because it fits the name better but is still tied closely to Crabominable so stays a punch move.
Why do Pokémon with pincers get punching moves?
However, some of those moves were correctly translated into Spanish and have the word "puño" (punch) in their name:
Double Iron Bash: Ferro *puño* doble
Plasma Fists: *Puños* plasma
Rage Fist: *Puño* furia
Meteor Mash: *Puño* meteoro
But the problem is we have Headlong Rush as... "Arremetida" (onset/lunge/swoop/onrush)
My favorite Punch move is Ice Punch BTW
That's some good info! Is this for both European Spanish and Latin American spanish translations/dubs, or just one of them?
@@CammyMeeleTea It's for both translations.
I'm pretty sure the reason behind the hammer moves is that, in gen 7, the boosted ones both actually used a fist in their animation.
I've never seen "Feraligator" spelled out before and frankly I would've preferred it stay that way. the 'Gatr' is definitely wrong but I'm just so used to it after all this time
Too mch gatr, not enogh spce.
Finally someone looking at the Japanese names to explain supposed "inconsistencies". 🙏
That's the first thing I do when a move or ability doesn't make sense to me.
Pleasantly surprised to get a Japanese lesson from this video!
I'm usually surprised my scripts become Japanese lessons.
Okay I don't mean to be that guy (I am about to be that guy) but I feel like these make sense to me
- Sucker punch was named after the expression "to sucker punch", which is more of an expression and less of a literal punch so it makes sense for it not to be a punch (even though cheap shot sounds much better)
- Headlong rush makes no fucking sense to me especially since it's mechanically the same as close combat so like i have no idea
- The hammer moves to me can be broken down like this:
Hammer arm is definitely a punch, it's based off of the real world hammer fist strike and is fighting type so it's pretty clearly a trained punch and not just a slam, and every pokemon who learns this move has arms with the exception of Tornadus-T who sometimes has arms
Ice hammer is a punch because it was originally the signature move of Crabominable who, for all intents and purposes, has fists (or at least fist-like claws) since it gets the iron fist ability and is fighting type, so naturally this move should be boosted by iron fist even though Tinkaton now also gets this move
Wood hammer is not a punch since rather than using an actual fist in most cases, the user of this move is hitting the opponent with an actual piece of wood or hardened organic substance (with the exception of Sudowoodo because lmao), and many of the users of this move don't actually have arms but do have a wood component like Mimikyu or Exeggutor
Crabhammer is not a punch because it's not a trained punch with a fist like the first two, it's a slam with explicitly a crab claw, and no crab pokemon learn any punch moves except Crabominable, who effectively has fists
I am so sorry I did this but I felt like it had to be said but otherwise this is a very understandable thing to be confused about since it's really not that clear why these aren't punches
My favourite punching move has got to be bite
1:35 One Punch Man Consecutive Normal Punches :D
also I always thought they should buff Crabhammer, or imagine Scizor had it :0
My favorite punch move is drain punch, because I like "Stealing" type attacks.
So you wont mind if I rob you at gunpoint then
Nice video! Whats the song that plays in the video? Sounds like something I've heard from Monster Hunter but can't put my finger on it
It's Fortree City, the version from Pokémon Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire specifically.
Love Monster Hunter though.
I know this is an older video, but I wanted to ask if you had any opinion on whether Poison Jab should count as a punch for the purposes of Iron Fist, as it currently doesn't. While I am aware that the original Japanese name could be more accurately be translated as "Poison Stab", the move description includes specific mention of potentially stabbing with an arm for the attack. And while a stab and a punch aren't the same thing, the move isn't boosted by Sharpness either, and a few Pokémon that have Iron Fist like Hitmonchan and Pangoro already learn the move, and I could easily imagine them using their fist at the end of their "arm stab". I know it's a minor detail, but it's always been in the back of my mind, like the fact that Strong Jaw doesn't boost the damage of Bug Bite.
It's a funny coincidence, but I've been conceptualizing an ability that would put Poison Jab into its own category.
@CammyMeeleTea Oh? Would that be the piercing ability you mentioned in your recent community post? (Glad you're ok btw!) I'll be looking forward to hearing more about that, as it definitely sounds like an interesting concept!
I'm sorry, but what?
Headlong rush? The move described as a full *BODY* *TACKLE*?!
I know you gave the sumo as a reason, but that's still a tackle, with your *BODY*!!!
You forgot to add bullet punch.
Nope. This isn't a list of all punches, this is a discussion about punches that are missing the word punch or incorrectly use the word punch. Bullet Punch says punch, and is a punch, so it's just fine and unnecessary to bring up.
this is why i hate localization lol. there's always so many ways they could of avoided inconsistency's.. i always have the burning urge to start learning japanese so i don't have to deal with localization making me misinterpret the original artist's intent. ty for the informative video!
Definitely get it more for like the older games where there were space and character limitations, but that should have stopped being the issue by the time of the DS.
Sky attack in english
God bird in japanese
japanese is a stupidly hard language that is gendered (barbarically disgusting) I wouldn't learn it just to enjoy niche media
@@theschnozzler Honestly, "God Bird" is so cool-sounding that one almost has to wonder why the localization passed up on just leaving it like that. Though I'll concede that it doesn't exactly sound like the name of an attack.
@@yokaipinata1416 I call it "Sky Force" as it its hitting with the power of the skies.
Hammer arm makes sense
If anything crab hammer and hammer arm should be punche sense they ar sharing the hands
The hammer thing is infuriating
drain punch + iron fist + big root...
I always thought Iron Fist should boost punching moves as high as Strong Jaw and Sharpness
You're right. And everything gets punching moves too compared to the distribution of cutting moves. So buffing Iron Fist might help set them apart.
Sounds weird but i never understood fighting type in general. I mean they all fight and are using fighting moves
meteor mash at 90 90… rough
Missed opportunity to say punch the subscribe button.
Is Mega Launcher (Clawitzer) as janky?
All u really need is drain punch, dynamic punch is a pretty sick move with gravity being set or baton passing accuracy into it that move can be pretty ridiculous couldn’t imagine on Iron fist you’d probably die then kill yourself with confusion if you could mix those 2
I fr thought I was gonns see poison jab in this video