READ ME: Check the description for details like what music is used or the site that I use for Japanese move data. Any corrections will be added under this pinned comment. Note: Aqua Step is already affected by Dancer ability, thus classified as a Dance. I'm not going to take a move away from Dancer pokémon when we can just create a new Water type move that is explicitly a kick. Obviously, the Water/Fighting Quaquaval, would get this new kick. Iron Sole pokémon get a new kick, Dancers keep their dance. Everyone is happy, there no point debating this. Create something new, rather than take away. I don't know if the Game Freak game coding currently supports moves with two offensive move categories. Aura Sphere is a "はどう" (wave/pulse) and a "bomb". Aura Sphere is boosted by Mega Launcher, and negated by Bulletproof as a result. This counts as being in two categories; however, one is a boost and one is a negation. Right now, we still don't have a move or ability that is affected by two move category boosts, and I don't know if that is something Pokémon would allow. My stance remains is just as it is in the video. The things I call a kick, I'm 100% confident are kicks. The things that are listed at the absolute end of the video are there because they have potential, but I'm not 100% on them. When I don't know something, I try not to make assumptions. So I didn't want to just assume something is a kick because the pokémon is "likely kicking" when a punch can be used to viably perform the move. Errors: In the section, where I talk about the move "けたぐり" the Base Power is 80 when it should be "---", the Power Points are also incorrect.
I say make a solid Dark type kick, Nintendo would likely never have "Groin Kick" but maybe "Gut Kick"? A move that has lowers the opponent's speed and causes them to be unable to use special attacks for the next turn. That would cover the immunity problem.
The added effects you're suggesting feel too unbalanced, but I like the overall concept. It would be a nice addition since we already have things like throat chop
@@shinysaur4492 Yea, I'm starting to think either one or the other might actually be better in terms of game balance. Like if you have a speedy enough mon, the speed drop might make you go first anyways if it's a two shot KO.
Move Ideas: Low Blow - Dark Type - 40 Base Power - 90% Accuracy - 10 PP The user performs a swift sweeping kick close to the ground, knocking all surrounding Pokémon down, causing any hazards to activate again for them. [Spikes, Toxic Spikes, Stealth Rocks, Sticky Web, etc] [Hits all opponents and all allies] Slide Kick - Ice Type - 70 Base Power - 95% Accuracy - 15 PP The user coats the ground in a slippery ice before sliding into the opponent. No secondary effect. Cyclone Kick - Flying Type - 50 Base Power - 85% Accuracy - 10 PP The user steadies their focus before striking the opponent with a strong spinning midair kick, swapping the opponent out of battle.
@@breadquonda2863 i agree with low blow, not with cyclone kick. Imagine a 65 BP move boosted by an ability on a scarfed mon just spam switching you out. Now imagine that but also with hazard damage every swap in. Thats why Whirlwind is -6 priority lol
@@betabee1221 Other moves that force out the opponent like Circle Throw and Dragon Tail also have negative priority, I imagine that part was implied by the creator. Continuosly Copycat-ing Whirlwind/Roar in prior generations has shown just how ridiculous a switching move with neutral priority would be, I don't imagine they'd make one on purpose. (Edit: accidentally made reference to Gen 3 Lucario lol)
@@ebensirges I know you mean gen 4, but yeah. I kinda would instead of cyclone kick switching out mons to just do double damage to flying, floating, and mons under tailwind. It also does increased damage of the mon itself it flying or under tailwind but not double... Maybe like 1.5 or 1.25
If Lopunny gets this hypothetical ability and access to more kick moves I'm all for it. It would be perfect for it given how the dex goes on about how graceful it moves and how hard it can kick when threatened. Edit: Also, I'd like to add that the extra boost to kick moves might make up for its low base attack and it would just be nice to have a pseudo Mega Lopunny. Just giving a Pokemon more options to use them is fantastic since even Hitmonlee users may consider keeping Unburden for the speed boost instead of going the Choice/Life Orb option if it had Iron Sole as an option.
I think 50% is perfectly reasonable for a category move ability boost. In fact, I think Iron Fist's 20% is paltry compared to ones like Strong Jaw's and Sharpness' 50% boosts.
I think it's because there's a wealth of punching moves with coverage... Could you imagine iron fist boosted drain punch? That would've been suffocating. Maybe 1.3 but not 1.5
@@manligi9701 though claws is a 30% boost that affects EVERY contact move in the game, which is like, nearly every physical move including all the punching moves. iron fist still being only 20% till this day is honestly really sad. tbf though, i kinda wish these subcategory moves were just a 30% boost while though claws is the one with just 20%. leave 50% boost to the likes of adaptability, tecnician, tinted lens etc. those might be very strong but i think the way they work is fine to be high specially tecnician and tinted lens otherwise its just not worth running most things anyway.
I would almost argue that Aqua Step IS a kicking move. It is the signature move of Quaquaval, who is described in the Scarlet Pokédex as having powerful legs and that a single kick can send a truck rolling. It does also perform a kick for its animation of the move.
This is neat, but I think it'd be cool if Hitmonlee's ability felt less like a copy paste of Iron Fist. Maybe something that makes kicking moves bypass accuracy checks and protect would give it a cool niche. The Urshifus can already bypass protect with all their moves, so in the grand scheme of things it's not a big deal. It would however let Hitmonlee be a solid response to Evasion boosting moves and simultaneously eliminate the main drawbacks of the most iconic kicking moves. But I think this ability in particular would also be really great for a Secretary Bird pokemon, which is partially known for its crazy accuracy with its stomps.
That's the point though. The Urshifus are a pair and do the same thing but slightly different. Plusle and Minun are a pair. The point is for Hitmonchan and Hitmonlee to be counterparts. As for your idea, that's a cool idea. Why not give that to Hitmontop? It spin kicks so fast that you can't evade it. He came later, so he doesn't need to be the same as the OG pair.
This has been a glaring omission in the game so I'm glad you took the time to flesh out a kick enhancement ability! Also top-tier naming! Here are some mons I think should get Iron Soles: Hitmonlee, Hitmontop, Mega Lopunny, Lokix, Mienshao, Phermosa, and Marshadow. I've personally thought that along with the other body-specific abilities, there should be one for head butts. Some naming ideas off the top of my head "badum tsh": "Lunk Head", "Diamond Head", "Iron Skull" "Thick Skull", "And Cranium". This makes me wish "Rock Head" wasn't already an ability....
Personally I don't think giving Hitmontop Iron Soles as well as Hitmonlee is a good idea, would step on the toes of the kicking-focused one imo. Mega Lopunny would much rather have Scrappy, and Mienshao never really struck me as using kicks instead of it's ribbonlike arms. The others make sense though, and Tsareena of course. As for the headbutt one, I think Thick Skull works great
I like the idea of an ability named Thick Skull making you immune to psychic moves cause you're too thick headed to believe in the magic right in front of you. Or maybe it works like unaware and makes you immune to opponent's stat changes since being called thick headed is a phrase that means you're kinda dumb/just not able to really comprehend things around you. I like Flex Legs for kicking boosts that gives a smaller damage boost but also improves the accuracy of kicking moves by 10% (and leaves a more unique name that still fits the theme of the original kick-y mon) and then make the head boosting ability Plated Skull (like when people need a metal plate put in their heads due to head injuries) for damage boosting and a way to reference the fact that the most powerful head hitting moves have heavy recoil, like Head Smash. Also would love an ability called Fractured Skull that drops defenses and boosts speed and attack when using head moves, and also gives them a 30% chance to inflict confusion on the user and opponent. But that may be taking the real world injuries references a bit too far, lol. Armored Body might be good for body/hip moves like all the Bodyslam and Slam type moves
Apparently it’s considered a dance move instead of a kicking move Use Aqua Step against a Pokemon with dancer ability, then the opponent will use Aqua Step in return
No. I didn't want to take away a dance from Dancer's pool of moves. We should just add a Water type kick. I really don't like stealing from one thing and making it worse to make something better, when we can just make something new.
Boosted moves would be Double Kick, Mega Kick, Jump Kick*, Rolling Kick*, Low Kick, High Jump Kick, Triple Kick, Blaze Kick, Low Sweep, Trop Kick, Triple Axel, Thunderous Kick, Triple Arrows (though it might be boosted less), and Axe Kick.
If there were going to be more abilities that boost categories of moves, then these are the categories I can see existing (basing these abilities based off English translation just to save time) -Wind (due to Wind Power and Wind Rider): Bellowing Breath or Sailing Wings or Storm’s Gust -Dance (due to Dancer): Choreographer or Strutter or Power Dancer -Headbutt (Headbutt, Head Smash, Zen Headbutt, Head Charge, Headlong Rush, Iron Head, Skull Bash): Thick Skull -Tail (Aqua Tail, Dragon Tail, Iron Tail, Poison Tail, Tail Slap): Spring Tail or Tail Spring
@@typemasters2871 its a reference to sumo move where 2 sumo wrestler collide with each other and how sumo is based on open palm punching and what not. makes sense i guess, but why tf its a ground move i dont really get.
theres also claw/scratching moves. i know we got sharpness but it doesnt boost shadow claw, crush claw, dragon claw etc. also theres horn moves i guess, but i think those could be chalked into one with the headbutt ones. although those would potentially overlap with a lot of the recoil moves as well.
I could see lopunny getting the ability, but other than that I can't think of any other pokemon where the ability would make sense (besides the ones you mentioned in the video)
Hitmonlee also had exclusive access to _the_ best Fighting move in Gen 1 in Hi Jump Kick, coupled with the second-highest Attack stat of any Fighting Pokémon at the time (and still third-highest during Gen 2, losing only to Heracross and Machamp). Sure, the move was weaker than its modern iteration, at 85 power, but everything else was even weaker. Furthermore, because the move was badly programmed, crash damage was always 1 hit point, and ignored altogether against Ghosts. Most of the others, including of course Hitmonchan, had to get by with the inaccurate and recoil-inducing Submission. Low Kick was fixed to 50 power and had 90 accuracy (the weight gimmick and full accuracy were until Gen 3), but at least it also had 30% flinch (removed in Gen 3). And Double Kick is mostly alright and fully accurate unlike the others, but not particularly strong. Karate Chop would have been great for Mankey and Machop with how crits worked in Gen 1... except it was Normal-type due to what I have to assume was an honest mistake. I see no explanation to why they would _intentionally_ not make it Fighting until Gen 2, so it has to be an accident that didn't get caught until after the game was released. Hitmonchan was further screwed for the entire first three Gens by the fact the elemental punches were special. Also, Mach Punch didn't exist in Gen 1. It's surprising, considering all of this, to hear that Hitmonchan has always had more fans than Hitmonlee.
I honestly think that Hitmonlee was actually more popular than Hitmonchan, but what you said there was completely irrelevant for that. And the Fighting type was just thoroughly terrible in gen1; what was less terrible was pretty irrelevant (though speculating how Primeape would've been in gen1 if Karate Chop was Fighting is kinda fun).
When showing the comparison between Low kick in English and Japanese, the Japanese version has 80bp instead of the English -- for unnamed or whatever. Assuming this wasn’t a mistake, it’s interesting that Japanese does that and I wonder if it displays other dashed moves as that too
Great in depth exploration as usual! I've wanted an ability like Iron Sole for a little while now - though the name I brainstormed was Mighty Calves. When I heard about Sharpness as Sc/Vi launched it seemed such an obvious idea to implement and yet I hadn't really considered it - so a kick-based ability is long overdue, especially with its clear counterpart in Iron Fist. While we're on the subject, a boosting ability for the new group of wind-based moves would be pretty cool to see, maybe call it Gale Force? And ever since Bulletproof was introduced, I figured a boosting ability for those ball/bomb based attacks would be great too, call it Bombardier (or given that could be considered too similar to Bombirdier's name, perhaps Grenadier)? Distinguishing categories for tail-based and head/horn-based moves in future would also make a lot of sense so we can see them get ability interactions as well.
Speaking of Tsareena getting the ability as shown at 6:55 I feel like tsareena should be a fighting type (or possibly dark type due to it referencing domanatrixes but it doesn't get any dark type moves so it probably shouldn't get that type) due to its design and moves it fights mostly by kicking than using grass magic so I feel that that would give it more flavor
Idea: What if some of the moves not counted here could count for BOTH kicking AND punching? Thrash and Close Combat would be interesting to see fill both roles but doesn't solve the immunity issue Also I think it would be funny to give both abilities to one mon that does both, like Lucario (but would probably require expanding how many abilities one species can have)
Terrestrial Kick: A Ground type kicking move (BP: 95 / Acc: 95 / PP: 10) that can lower oponent's Defense in one stage (30%). Thunder Kick and Icy Kick: Electric and Ice type clones of Blaze Kick respectively. Rocky Stomp: A Rock type kicking move that can rise user's Defense (or Attack, 30%) in one stage or flinch the oponent (20%). BP: 90 / Acc: 90 / PP: 10.
Cool video. I have also an idea to give Rolling Kick a complete overhaul (similar to Low Kick): 75BP 100Acc Removes hazards from the user's side of the field.
I'm sure they did. As I said early in the video, everyone has been wondering when it would end up in the real games. And people in my past videos asked for my take on it.
This. It's in Radical Red. Though I'd almost argue that the power creep in RR is basically there to try to buff a bunch of things up to meta competitive level.
It'd be neat if stomp and Stomping tantrum was boosted. Pokemon I could see with this ability: Blaziken, Lokix, and Rapidash, Lopunny, Zebstrika, Mudsdale, Cinderace. Heck, even Kabutops if you've seen its Stadium animations.
I could honestly see some equine Pokemon get this ability as well. A horse’s kick is pretty nasty, and I was surprised to find that Rapidash could not learn Blaze Kick.
I feel like Blaziken would be a good choice for this ability, but it would require either replacing Speed Boost or being the first starter with a secondary ability. So probably not.
I thought of this idea for a clay pokemon that would use an ability like this, that would evolve by being molded and fired in a kiln. It would start out pure Ground, but upon evolution gain the Fighting type, because it was molded into the visage of a great warrior by the artisan who molds it. It's tradition in, whatever region this would be in, for only the master artisan to be allowed to mold the pokemon of wandering trainers. but incidentally at the time of whatever adventure the player would be one, there would unusually be two master artisans, and holding the same status and authority, constantly bicker an squabble over what the ideal shape of a "great warrior" is. Depending on version, one the artisans would exhaust the other in an argument, and you'd get one form of the pokemon or the other. One Artisan would think upper body strength is everything and make the pokemon super top heavy with small legs (think a build like Larry the Lobster from Spongebob), and the other Artisan would think powerful legs are the visage of a powerful warrior, and give it massive legs and feet, but a tiny upperbody and arms. And nauturally, they'd get the respective abilities Iron Fist and Iron Sole (although I thought up the name Foot Force).
The TCG has two official names for Electric-type Kicks - Sparking Kick and Energy Kick. Raichu and Elekid learn these two kicks respectively. Personally, I like that Hitmonlee has less coverage than Hitmonchan. Makes the two unique, if Hitmonlee got access to elemental kicks, you would probably have little to no reason to use Hitmonchan since all the kicks are stronger. Lastly, I think Sawk, Mienshao, Lopunny, Tauros, Rapidash, Lokix, and Blaziken should probably get it.
They should make an Electric type version of Blaze Kick and give it to physical Electric Pokémon that need a stronger STAB (yes, I'm taking about Luxray), as well as, of course, other kicking based Pokémon. Also I think the TCG already has a move named Flash Kick, just use that name and it should all be done
To be fair with the absense of such an ability until now, maybe the devellopement team at the time felt there wasn't enough diverse kick moves to make it useful, it's only recently that more unique kick moves and abilities boosting other "move type", while back in gen 4, the elemental punches already existed. As such, I think today, a kick boosting ability is a one day sure thing before it arrives, it's not matter of if anymore, but when. Besides that, nothing about the video, it's good.
I think they could add a flying type kick and name it "Flying Kick." (Go figure). Give it something like 80 base power and does double damage against opponents using fly or bounce. Edit: Another one that comes to mind would be Dragon Kick (dragon typing) with 90 base power and 50% chance to lower defense. (Dragon Kick being a very power move in many martial arts mediums)
I saw another suggestion for a flying-type kick, what flying-type Pokémon do you think would learn it? Or would it just be a coverage option for non- flying-types? The only flying types that I can picture kicking are the ones that don't really fly-Flamigo (I know they _can_ fly, but they don't seem to often), Galarian Zapdos, and Dodrio.
Ebihara does come before Sawamura alphabetically, so it does make sense if it were listed first by Japanese speakers. I wonder if that was compelling enough for it to be featured first in the anime episodes where they appear.
“Hitmonchan is the clear favorite” I genuinely started laughing at that statement since its the worst of the trio. Only thing Hitmonchan has over his brothers is that he has 100% accurate coverage for Flying types with Thunder/Ice Punch, which are still significantly weaker than Hitmonlee’s Stone Edge. Hitmonchan also has far worse ability pool. Lee gets Unburden, which is miles better than Iron Fist, and Top gets Intimidate and Technician too.
Readers added context they thought that people might want to know: "Hitmonchan is the clear favorite getting elemental punches, Drain Punch, Iron Fist ability, and the spotlight. They even introduced Hitmontop, who directly competes with Hitmonlee’s kicking gimmick. At least Hitmonchan is historically the least viable of the three in most formats of competitive play, so Hitmonlee has a place where it gets an iota of respect."
I rather make the ability "Flexible Legs" to improve the accuracy of kicking moves and boost their damage by 10%. It's not much more damage or accuracy, but it takes High Jump Kick up to a 143 BST move with 99% accuracy, and that's pretty good. The damage boost could be 20%, still leaving it a lesser power boosting ability in exchange for the accuracy boost, but I think it's worth it. Plus, the flexibility goes well with Hitmonlee's design with stretchy limbs, compared to Hitmonchan having iron weighted gloves and an almost armored look with his shoulder pads
@@CammyMeeleTea Thanks. I've never done much video editing or attempted making a video like that, but maybe I will. I don't mind it you steal the idea for yourself either 😁
If they were to ever give Hidden Abilities to Ultra Beasts, Iron Sole would be a perfect fit on Pheromosa. I think it could also fit on Flamigo over Tangled Feet, maybe a Dodrio if they actually give it a kick or two
I think Triple Arrows would not be a kick for the same reason Close Combat isn't. It's 1 kick and 3 arrows. Close Clombat is a collection of kicks and punches (maybe headbutts and tail hits too for some Pokemon since it doesn't specify), so I think being related to various different types of hits negates it from being improved. Otherwise, I agree with the decision making here and like it. Though, I think the power boost is a bit high for an offensive list of moves that includes one with a 130 base power move. But sound moves have Boomburst, so I guess it's fair
@@CammyMeeleTea Wait, is headlong rush actually treated as a punching move in-game? That's hilarious and makes 0 sense. Isn't the move canonically just a headfirst charge, like Head Smash? That was always what the name and animation seemed to imply to me
@@CammyMeeleTea oh, it's a sumo reference. I guess that kinda makes sense, but do people strike fists in sumo? Still an odd choice. Guess that was a way of buffing iron fist, but I still rather just have tough claws and get a stronger boost on every physical move instead of a limited list. They really need to rework this ability already, it's just sad
I'm a huge Hitmonlee fan and I find it so unfair he still has no access to Triple Axel, which is described as being a kick-based attack. And what's more insulting is Hitmontop does get it! Why can't the one Hitmon-bro that specializes in kicks not get that move but Top does? ToT
I personally believe bounce should be a kicking/leg move only bc i always think of ponyta and rapid ash using it and I would find it weird if they did anything but land on u w their feet
Fish and other legless things learn Bounce. Making Bounce a kick, can rob legless pokémon of Flying coverage. That's why it's important to consider every angle. Why not add a Flying-type kick? It's a single turn, so it actually gets use, Flying type, and gives a new kick that is specifically a kick.
There are 10 Pokémon that can learn at least three of the moves you've categorized: - Blaziken - Flamigo - Hitmonlee - Lokix - Lopunny - Medicham - Mudbray / Mudsdale - Pheremosa - Tsareena A couple are obvious improvements (Lokix already needs a secondary abilitiy, Iron Sole is strictly better than Hitmonlee's Reckless, etc.). A couple just won't work (Pheremosa is stuck with Beast Boost, Medicham's Pure Power is still better). The rest raise interesting questions: Is it better than Mega Blaziken's Speed Boost or Mega Lopunny's Scrappy? Should it replace Own Tempo for the mud horses, or Inner Focus? Would it make Flamigo to powerful for early-game? Etc. Also, I question whether Triple Axel should count. No one learns it by level up, and the move tutor gives it to Pokémon not really known for kicking prowess, like Alolan Ninetales, Articuno, Jynx, and Delibird. Or, that don't even have feet at all, like Milotic, Froslass, Cryogonal, the Popplio line, and Frosmoth. I'm not sure what Game Freak's intention was with this move, but it doesn't seem like feet are involved.
@@CammyMeeleTea Yes, well, I also dispute the idea that Headlong Rush really qualifies as a punching move. Nor do I understand why they'd give Triple Axel to Primarina but not Quaquaval. Speaking Quaquaval, I think Aqua Step should qualify as a kicking move (it makes more sense as a kicking move than Headlong Rush does as a punching move). But, I think Quaquaval might also be in a similar position to Blaziken: Would Iron Sole be a better hidden ability than Moxie?
Yeah, Game Freak's decisions confuse me, even when I actually factor the language barrier. It confuses me so. Check the pinned comment for my stance on Aqua Step.
I don't agree with the argument for stomp, but I can understand your rationale. But based on that rationale I would think that should translate to High Horsepower. Either way, yes something for kicks should be applied but this ability is lackluster when not coupled with diversity. I would change it to "Fancy Footwork" if a kicking move was used in battle, the speed or maybe evasion, goes up by 1 stage. It could maybe even give a +1 priority to kicking moves. Due to the extra reach and fast tempo.
I love that you take the original names very seriously, most english speaking content creators completely ignores that Pokémon is a japanese game and that cultural context is very important. THANK YOU. I'm really tired of people saying that Yanma/Yanmega should be dragon types when this makes zero sense in any language other than english, for example. Or complaining about Sucker Punch not being boosted by Iron Fist. This kind of stuff. Also pokémon names in the early generations can be very misleading, but to this day people insists in using the english names as argument while ignoring the original ones. People who insists that Beedrill is a bee, that Mr. Mime should all be male, etc., etc., etc.
@@CammyMeeleTea It seems to me that this is kinda of a cultural trait of the US. Most americans seems to be very unaware of what happens and exists in the rest of the world, and this seems to be made worse by so many bad dubs and translations of anime, always trying to "americanize" everything because apparently american kids are dumb and cannot understand that other cultures exists. That's how you guys got onigiri being translated as jelly-filled donuts and other bizarre stuff. I'm from Brazil and here we are very familiar with japanese terms because our anime dubs simply did not translate stuff that have no direct translation. Youkai remained youkai instead of being adapted to demons, Dragon Ball Z kept all the original names for attacks, this kind of stuff that as far as I know, never happened in the US.
Nah, there's plenty of times where I'll explain something ten times in the video and put it in the pinned comment. Then, someone will try to contest me in the comments about it when paying attention to the video or doing a quick Google search would nullify their whole argument. For example, right now, people are asserting that Aqua Step is a kick with no new compelling information. My stance was pretty clear in the rules section of the video and in the Aqua Step section of the video. From the info we were given, it can be done by kicking but also could be done without kicking. Since I'm not sure, I didn't include it as a kick. Telling me to assume it is a kick isn't giving new evidence. It's telling me to break my rules. Part of the rules was to not assume anything. Plus, if you look at the page for Aqua Step, it says it's already boosted by Dancer and is thus a Dancing move. Plus, at the end, I suggest adding a Water-type kicking move. I personally dont care either way, but I care about creating a quality video, so I don't want to make assumptions, and would like to report as close to the truth as I can, and admit any mistakes if I make them. So it feels weird to me when people seem ready to die on this hill about Aqua Step being a kick, when they don't really have a reason to do so other than fulfilling their own head canon. I think at the end of the day, people mean well, they're just passionate to the point of being blinded by their passion.
ok i can maybe understand stomping tantrum because the stomps aren't the things doing the damage to the enemy. i personally believe it should count because if you can omit more force from the initial point of the strike (in this case the feet as you are stomping the ground to make this attack) having an ability that strengthen your feet should boost that as well. but aqua step definitely has the right to be a kicking move, the name of both English and Japanese is "aqua step" the Japanese description is "With its gentle steps that drip water, it can toy with the opponent and deal damage. He gives away his quickness." (水もしたたる かろやかな 足どりで 相手を 翻弄し ダメージを 与える。 自分の 素早さを あげる。) meanwhile the English description is "The user toys with the target and attacks it using light and fluid dance steps. This also boosts the user's Speed stat." all of these mention the dance move it makes with it's legs to be the origin point of this attack, so you either have the stomping tantrum situation where it's up to opinions or quaquavel is actually kicking and dancing at the same time with wet feet to deal damage to opponents and based on the fact the move makes contact (in other words the two pokemon collide during the use of the move) it's fair to assume that quaquavel actually kicks the opponent with wet feet during this move
as for a move idea: Curb-stomp: a vicious stomp uncaring for the target's health type: dark BP: 75 accuracy: 90% PP: 15 2ndary effects: (yes it's possible to have more then one 2ndary effect, take a look at the elemental fangs) A. 15% chance to reduce target's defense by one stage B. higher critical hit chance
No. I've already read the descriptions of every move in English and in Japanese, and commissioned a translator to review what nuance I might have missed, so that I don't have to rely purely really clunky Google translations. It's odd to tell me the Japanese description when I spend a whole section explaining that I'm doing that already. You're asserting a different conclusion without introducing any new information that addresses the one thing that I was unsure of: that it can be performed without kicking. As said in the video, it's not that it couldn't be a kick, it's that nothing about the description makes it uniquely a kick. Boxers (who aren't allowed to kick) will change up their footwork to evade, out maneuver, and overwhelm opponents. The same goes for fencers and sword fighters. Close Combat even has the pokémon rush up close to start infighting. Another thing addressed in the video is that we need to look at how Japanese versions sort moves by category, like how moves with "ほう" aren't automatically a cannon move despite other moves with "ほう". If you looked into move categories like i said, you'd see that Aqua Step is already affected by Dancer ability, thus classified as a Dance. I'm not going to take a move away from Dancer pokémon when we can just create a new kick for Iron Sole pokémon. Part of this video's research was to see if a move was already part of an exclusive move category. It's better to create a new Water type kick, and let the Dancer pokémon keep their Dance. If we add a new Water kick, Quaquaval would probably get it, Iron Sole or not. And Iron Sole pokémon get their new moist kick. Again, the goal is to create more options without taking options from others. I hope that helps explain my stance.
Yes, I did. That's what I explained in the section about moves that could be boosted by Mega Launcher and/or blocked by Bulletproof. The whole Match Gotcha explanation shows how the move is neither, despite having "ほう" in the name. The opposite is Aura Sphere. Aura Sphere is both a ball/bomb move and a pulse/wave move. Both are listed in the name and description explicitly. Unfortunately, Mega Launcher is offensive and Bulletproof is defensive, so we don't know for sure if they'd make a "boosts ball and bomb moves" ability, so that we can see if we can have a move work for two different category boosts. It probably could happen, but again that’s an assumption. Again, this changes nothing because it still doesn't address my fundamental hesitation: Aqua Step can possibly be performed by dancing fluidly to confound the opponent, then using any appendage to strike. The fast dance steps are mandatory. The actual strike being the legs isn’t. Arms, or even a headbutt. Headlong Rush is a punch boosted by Iron Fist that can be used by Great Tusk, an elephant. Stupid things like that are what I'm trying to prevent. I want moves to be consistent regardless of language. You might be okay with an assumption, I'm not. By bringing it up in the video at all, it's obvious that I'm acknowledging it could be a kick, I just can't 100% confirm it. I'm completely comfortable taking the conservative approach and waiting until I'm sure. We have different mindsets, and that's okay. Again, this whole discussion can be circumvented entirely by just adding a new Water move that's explicitly a kick. Then everyone benefits regardless of if Aqua Step is exclusively a Dance, exclusively a kick, or is both a Dance and Kick.
Frankly, I’m surprised we haven’t had it. We got abilities for wind and cutting based moves this generation but not kicks. Shame. For Pokémon I’d give it to, outside of Hitmonlee and Tsareena, Lopunny, Dodrio (because ostrich If G Zapdos doesn’t get it) Hisuian Lilligant and, if we do get another legends game, a dark version of Blaziken. Pheromosa would’ve been a fun candidate but she’s an ultra beast. Lokix should get it. I mean, it’s a cricket that has a pair of battle legs. Toxicroak maybe because it’s a frog. A move for dark types like “Cruel Sweep” where the opponent falls into all of the entry hazards, would be fun. Due to a lot of dances, I’m surprised we don’t have a ballet themed kick for a fairy move. Drill stomp maybe as a steel kick?
That's exactly what I'm getting at. It's an ability that should exist for consistency's sake. I'm not expecting it to shake up the meta or anything. It just should exist already.
@@CammyMeeleTea I’m not expecting it either. It would be nice for Pokémon like Tsareena because most people would assume you’d be running Queenly majesty.
Cheesy Feet 75 Base Power 90% Accuracy Poison Type The user kicks the opponent in the nose with their smelly feet. It may make the target flinch. I would've laughed my head off at this move when I was younger, and truth be told I'd probably laugh at it now.
i like your takes, i also always wanted a kick boosting ability specially because i love blaziken and think blazikick is such a sick move in concept. i know he has speed boost as his HA and it would be wastefull to take that away, but what if starters were to have 2 HAs to compensate having only 1 regular ability? (hey, video idea for you there. could be the same for legendaries) well anyway... the only thing i dislike is your suggested name, iron sole sounds kinda... lame? also i get its a pun with soul/sole and all that, but still. also name verlaps with iron fist, i feel like those abilities could have a diferent prefix to them. i think other names like crushing heel, spring legs, heavy foot, horseshoed, or just steel toes could work.
Fancy names are cool, but as we've seen time and time again, it messes with translations and makes the gameplay unclear. I personally prefer clarity over style. Feel free to change up the name however you want in a mod or in a video you make though, totally don't mind.
There's mods that already use that name and I don't want to rip them off. I'm also way more interested in mechanics, effects, and distribution than names. Because of that, all names I make are memes, or names specifically made to set up a joke in the video.
Honestlyit would be bonkers. Iron fist is kinda weak to begin with and should be boosted to 30% since punches usully have low base power to begin with. And for kicks should be 30% tops. yeah the most powerfull kick has 90% accuracy but so do have the strongest "punches" which have 100 base power. And if 90% is too low just use jump kick which is still 100 base power and 95% accurate and with 30% boost would be 130 and not 150. a 150 bs move with 95% accuracy is too OP
This is a follow up to a video where I buffed some abilities. In that video I said Iron Fist should be bumped up to 40% or 50% to bring it in line with the other abilities.
Can you do a video on a move that mainly freezes the opponent? Some ideas that as a TM, it is mainly taught to Ice and Water types. Some others are the Duskull line, The Hisuian Zoroark Line, Charizard, and Rotom. Another idea is that if used by an Ice type, it becomes a priority move.
READ ME:
Check the description for details like what music is used or the site that I use for Japanese move data. Any corrections will be added under this pinned comment.
Note:
Aqua Step is already affected by Dancer ability, thus classified as a Dance. I'm not going to take a move away from Dancer pokémon when we can just create a new Water type move that is explicitly a kick. Obviously, the Water/Fighting Quaquaval, would get this new kick. Iron Sole pokémon get a new kick, Dancers keep their dance. Everyone is happy, there no point debating this. Create something new, rather than take away.
I don't know if the Game Freak game coding currently supports moves with two offensive move categories. Aura Sphere is a "はどう" (wave/pulse) and a "bomb". Aura Sphere is boosted by Mega Launcher, and negated by Bulletproof as a result. This counts as being in two categories; however, one is a boost and one is a negation. Right now, we still don't have a move or ability that is affected by two move category boosts, and I don't know if that is something Pokémon would allow. My stance remains is just as it is in the video. The things I call a kick, I'm 100% confident are kicks. The things that are listed at the absolute end of the video are there because they have potential, but I'm not 100% on them. When I don't know something, I try not to make assumptions. So I didn't want to just assume something is a kick because the pokémon is "likely kicking" when a punch can be used to viably perform the move.
Errors:
In the section, where I talk about the move "けたぐり" the Base Power is 80 when it should be "---", the Power Points are also incorrect.
For what it's worth, Pokémon RPG Maker does allow moves to have more than one category.
instead of hitmonchan and hitmonlee, we should of got hitmontyson and hitmonnorris.
there is already multiple sub categories since theres contact moves since gen3.
I say make a solid Dark type kick, Nintendo would likely never have "Groin Kick" but maybe "Gut Kick"? A move that has lowers the opponent's speed and causes them to be unable to use special attacks for the next turn. That would cover the immunity problem.
Low blow, maybe?
Being unable to use any special attacks sound kinda busted ngl, especially on top of an already strong effect.
The added effects you're suggesting feel too unbalanced, but I like the overall concept. It would be a nice addition since we already have things like throat chop
"Sub-Belt Shot", perhaps?
Also, maybe JUST have it lower speed instead of disabling special attacks.
@@shinysaur4492 Yea, I'm starting to think either one or the other might actually be better in terms of game balance. Like if you have a speedy enough mon, the speed drop might make you go first anyways if it's a two shot KO.
I personally would’ve named the ability “Steel Toe” as a reference to steel toe boots
Move Ideas:
Low Blow - Dark Type - 40 Base Power - 90% Accuracy - 10 PP
The user performs a swift sweeping kick close to the ground, knocking all surrounding Pokémon down, causing any hazards to activate again for them. [Spikes, Toxic Spikes, Stealth Rocks, Sticky Web, etc] [Hits all opponents and all allies]
Slide Kick - Ice Type - 70 Base Power - 95% Accuracy - 15 PP
The user coats the ground in a slippery ice before sliding into the opponent. No secondary effect.
Cyclone Kick - Flying Type - 50 Base Power - 85% Accuracy - 10 PP
The user steadies their focus before striking the opponent with a strong spinning midair kick, swapping the opponent out of battle.
not all moves need a secondary effect, but by the description you gave to Slide Kick, i feel like it could increase your speed
@@breadquonda2863 i agree with low blow, not with cyclone kick.
Imagine a 65 BP move boosted by an ability on a scarfed mon just spam switching you out. Now imagine that but also with hazard damage every swap in. Thats why Whirlwind is -6 priority lol
@@betabee1221 Other moves that force out the opponent like Circle Throw and Dragon Tail also have negative priority, I imagine that part was implied by the creator.
Continuosly Copycat-ing Whirlwind/Roar in prior generations has shown just how ridiculous a switching move with neutral priority would be, I don't imagine they'd make one on purpose.
(Edit: accidentally made reference to Gen 3 Lucario lol)
@@ebensirges
I know you mean gen 4, but yeah. I kinda would instead of cyclone kick switching out mons to just do double damage to flying, floating, and mons under tailwind. It also does increased damage of the mon itself it flying or under tailwind but not double... Maybe like 1.5 or 1.25
low blow is a absolute banger of a dark type move name and like it should already exist in pokemon thats wild
If Lopunny gets this hypothetical ability and access to more kick moves I'm all for it. It would be perfect for it given how the dex goes on about how graceful it moves and how hard it can kick when threatened.
Edit: Also, I'd like to add that the extra boost to kick moves might make up for its low base attack and it would just be nice to have a pseudo Mega Lopunny. Just giving a Pokemon more options to use them is fantastic since even Hitmonlee users may consider keeping Unburden for the speed boost instead of going the Choice/Life Orb option if it had Iron Sole as an option.
"Quartz Quads" You win for that name, bravo! Really good video.
I think 50% is perfectly reasonable for a category move ability boost. In fact, I think Iron Fist's 20% is paltry compared to ones like Strong Jaw's and Sharpness' 50% boosts.
I think it's because there's a wealth of punching moves with coverage... Could you imagine iron fist boosted drain punch? That would've been suffocating. Maybe 1.3 but not 1.5
I fully agree. They may need to strip it from Conkeldurr, but it'd be totally fine on everything else.
@@manligi9701 though claws is a 30% boost that affects EVERY contact move in the game, which is like, nearly every physical move including all the punching moves. iron fist still being only 20% till this day is honestly really sad. tbf though, i kinda wish these subcategory moves were just a 30% boost while though claws is the one with just 20%. leave 50% boost to the likes of adaptability, tecnician, tinted lens etc. those might be very strong but i think the way they work is fine to be high specially tecnician and tinted lens otherwise its just not worth running most things anyway.
“goth mommy thigh lock squeeze toes stomp crusher kick” should be a fairy type kick move
I worked so hard to find a child friendly leg lock, and here you are undoing my hard work...
*BONK* Horny jail!!
I would almost argue that Aqua Step IS a kicking move. It is the signature move of Quaquaval, who is described in the Scarlet Pokédex as having powerful legs and that a single kick can send a truck rolling. It does also perform a kick for its animation of the move.
Read the pinned comment.
@@CammyMeeleTea Ah, apologies. I didn't see that.
This is neat, but I think it'd be cool if Hitmonlee's ability felt less like a copy paste of Iron Fist.
Maybe something that makes kicking moves bypass accuracy checks and protect would give it a cool niche.
The Urshifus can already bypass protect with all their moves, so in the grand scheme of things it's not a big deal. It would however let Hitmonlee be a solid response to Evasion boosting moves and simultaneously eliminate the main drawbacks of the most iconic kicking moves.
But I think this ability in particular would also be really great for a Secretary Bird pokemon, which is partially known for its crazy accuracy with its stomps.
That's the point though. The Urshifus are a pair and do the same thing but slightly different. Plusle and Minun are a pair. The point is for Hitmonchan and Hitmonlee to be counterparts.
As for your idea, that's a cool idea. Why not give that to Hitmontop? It spin kicks so fast that you can't evade it. He came later, so he doesn't need to be the same as the OG pair.
@@CammyMeeleTea That's a fair and valid point.
Yeah, it would work pretty well on Hitmontop, too.
This has been a glaring omission in the game so I'm glad you took the time to flesh out a kick enhancement ability! Also top-tier naming!
Here are some mons I think should get Iron Soles: Hitmonlee, Hitmontop, Mega Lopunny, Lokix, Mienshao, Phermosa, and Marshadow.
I've personally thought that along with the other body-specific abilities, there should be one for head butts. Some naming ideas off the top of my head "badum tsh": "Lunk Head", "Diamond Head", "Iron Skull" "Thick Skull", "And Cranium". This makes me wish "Rock Head" wasn't already an ability....
Personally I don't think giving Hitmontop Iron Soles as well as Hitmonlee is a good idea, would step on the toes of the kicking-focused one imo. Mega Lopunny would much rather have Scrappy, and Mienshao never really struck me as using kicks instead of it's ribbonlike arms. The others make sense though, and Tsareena of course.
As for the headbutt one, I think Thick Skull works great
Thick Skull sounds like an ability that would nullify recoil.
Really makes me wish Rock Head wasn’t already used for an ability name.
I like the idea of an ability named Thick Skull making you immune to psychic moves cause you're too thick headed to believe in the magic right in front of you. Or maybe it works like unaware and makes you immune to opponent's stat changes since being called thick headed is a phrase that means you're kinda dumb/just not able to really comprehend things around you. I like Flex Legs for kicking boosts that gives a smaller damage boost but also improves the accuracy of kicking moves by 10% (and leaves a more unique name that still fits the theme of the original kick-y mon) and then make the head boosting ability Plated Skull (like when people need a metal plate put in their heads due to head injuries) for damage boosting and a way to reference the fact that the most powerful head hitting moves have heavy recoil, like Head Smash. Also would love an ability called Fractured Skull that drops defenses and boosts speed and attack when using head moves, and also gives them a 30% chance to inflict confusion on the user and opponent. But that may be taking the real world injuries references a bit too far, lol.
Armored Body might be good for body/hip moves like all the Bodyslam and Slam type moves
I think Aqua step should be considered a kick though.😅
Apparently it’s considered a dance move instead of a kicking move
Use Aqua Step against a Pokemon with dancer ability, then the opponent will use Aqua Step in return
@@typemasters2871neat! Is Dancer available/coming back in SV? I haven't even thought about that ability once in years
@@BusinessSkrub only Oricorio has Dancer ability, and it was added in Teal Mask DLC
@@typemasters2871 Ooo, I finished the Kitakami pokedex and somehow didn't even notice Oricorio 😭 Thanks lmao!
No. I didn't want to take away a dance from Dancer's pool of moves. We should just add a Water type kick. I really don't like stealing from one thing and making it worse to make something better, when we can just make something new.
Boosted moves would be Double Kick, Mega Kick, Jump Kick*, Rolling Kick*, Low Kick, High Jump Kick, Triple Kick, Blaze Kick, Low Sweep, Trop Kick, Triple Axel, Thunderous Kick, Triple Arrows (though it might be boosted less), and Axe Kick.
If there were going to be more abilities that boost categories of moves, then these are the categories I can see existing (basing these abilities based off English translation just to save time)
-Wind (due to Wind Power and Wind Rider): Bellowing Breath or Sailing Wings or Storm’s Gust
-Dance (due to Dancer): Choreographer or Strutter or Power Dancer
-Headbutt (Headbutt, Head Smash, Zen Headbutt, Head Charge, Headlong Rush, Iron Head, Skull Bash): Thick Skull
-Tail (Aqua Tail, Dragon Tail, Iron Tail, Poison Tail, Tail Slap): Spring Tail or Tail Spring
I agree with this all. Unfortunately, Headlong Rush is coded as a punch.
@@CammyMeeleTea good to know
Trainer: use Headlong Rush
Pokemon: *head turns into a fist*
Trainer: huh!?
@@typemasters2871 its a reference to sumo move where 2 sumo wrestler collide with each other and how sumo is based on open palm punching and what not. makes sense i guess, but why tf its a ground move i dont really get.
theres also claw/scratching moves. i know we got sharpness but it doesnt boost shadow claw, crush claw, dragon claw etc.
also theres horn moves i guess, but i think those could be chalked into one with the headbutt ones. although those would potentially overlap with a lot of the recoil moves as well.
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I could see lopunny getting the ability, but other than that I can't think of any other pokemon where the ability would make sense (besides the ones you mentioned in the video)
Blaziken and medicham got the legs for it.
@Kjfree44 yeah, and they were already in the video
Lokix with iron sole will break the meta, axe kick and first impression will be game ending combo
Hitmonlee also had exclusive access to _the_ best Fighting move in Gen 1 in Hi Jump Kick, coupled with the second-highest Attack stat of any Fighting Pokémon at the time (and still third-highest during Gen 2, losing only to Heracross and Machamp). Sure, the move was weaker than its modern iteration, at 85 power, but everything else was even weaker. Furthermore, because the move was badly programmed, crash damage was always 1 hit point, and ignored altogether against Ghosts.
Most of the others, including of course Hitmonchan, had to get by with the inaccurate and recoil-inducing Submission. Low Kick was fixed to 50 power and had 90 accuracy (the weight gimmick and full accuracy were until Gen 3), but at least it also had 30% flinch (removed in Gen 3). And Double Kick is mostly alright and fully accurate unlike the others, but not particularly strong.
Karate Chop would have been great for Mankey and Machop with how crits worked in Gen 1... except it was Normal-type due to what I have to assume was an honest mistake. I see no explanation to why they would _intentionally_ not make it Fighting until Gen 2, so it has to be an accident that didn't get caught until after the game was released.
Hitmonchan was further screwed for the entire first three Gens by the fact the elemental punches were special. Also, Mach Punch didn't exist in Gen 1.
It's surprising, considering all of this, to hear that Hitmonchan has always had more fans than Hitmonlee.
I honestly think that Hitmonlee was actually more popular than Hitmonchan, but what you said there was completely irrelevant for that.
And the Fighting type was just thoroughly terrible in gen1; what was less terrible was pretty irrelevant (though speculating how Primeape would've been in gen1 if Karate Chop was Fighting is kinda fun).
I'm surprised we don't have an ability like this already.
When showing the comparison between Low kick in English and Japanese, the Japanese version has 80bp instead of the English -- for unnamed or whatever. Assuming this wasn’t a mistake, it’s interesting that Japanese does that and I wonder if it displays other dashed moves as that too
It was a mistake. Low Kick has never been 80bp (unless using the weight mechanics)
@@9DestraAh ok, I was wondering if it was like. An average/minimum situation. Realistically makes sense, I was just wondering tho
Great in depth exploration as usual! I've wanted an ability like Iron Sole for a little while now - though the name I brainstormed was Mighty Calves. When I heard about Sharpness as Sc/Vi launched it seemed such an obvious idea to implement and yet I hadn't really considered it - so a kick-based ability is long overdue, especially with its clear counterpart in Iron Fist.
While we're on the subject, a boosting ability for the new group of wind-based moves would be pretty cool to see, maybe call it Gale Force? And ever since Bulletproof was introduced, I figured a boosting ability for those ball/bomb based attacks would be great too, call it Bombardier (or given that could be considered too similar to Bombirdier's name, perhaps Grenadier)? Distinguishing categories for tail-based and head/horn-based moves in future would also make a lot of sense so we can see them get ability interactions as well.
Love the mystery dungeon friend area background
Speaking of Tsareena getting the ability as shown at 6:55 I feel like tsareena should be a fighting type (or possibly dark type due to it referencing domanatrixes but it doesn't get any dark type moves so it probably shouldn't get that type) due to its design and moves it fights mostly by kicking than using grass magic so I feel that that would give it more flavor
Idea:
What if some of the moves not counted here could count for BOTH kicking AND punching? Thrash and Close Combat would be interesting to see fill both roles but doesn't solve the immunity issue
Also I think it would be funny to give both abilities to one mon that does both, like Lucario (but would probably require expanding how many abilities one species can have)
I would have gone with Lead Foot for the name, but it is needed, as well as iron fist being buffed to 50% as well
Terrestrial Kick: A Ground type kicking move (BP: 95 / Acc: 95 / PP: 10) that can lower oponent's Defense in one stage (30%).
Thunder Kick and Icy Kick: Electric and Ice type clones of Blaze Kick respectively.
Rocky Stomp: A Rock type kicking move that can rise user's Defense (or Attack, 30%) in one stage or flinch the oponent (20%). BP: 90 / Acc: 90 / PP: 10.
Cool video. I have also an idea to give Rolling Kick a complete overhaul (similar to Low Kick):
75BP
100Acc
Removes hazards from the user's side of the field.
Props to using chun li's theme. Very fitting
i think iron heel would be a more fitting name. i wonder how many categories of moves and what names the boosting abilities would be
So someone also had this idea. That someone being the developer behind the Pokemon Emerald Rom Hack, Pokemon Elite Redux. There, it’s called Striker.
I'm sure they did. As I said early in the video, everyone has been wondering when it would end up in the real games. And people in my past videos asked for my take on it.
I have seen some ROM Hacks and Mods already make/use an ability similar to this. They call it "Striker" in those situations.
This. It's in Radical Red. Though I'd almost argue that the power creep in RR is basically there to try to buff a bunch of things up to meta competitive level.
Radical Red has an ability called Striker which boosts kicking moves
In a similar vein, I wonder if Hitmontop could get an ability that boosts spinning moves.
It'd be neat if stomp and Stomping tantrum was boosted.
Pokemon I could see with this ability:
Blaziken, Lokix, and Rapidash, Lopunny, Zebstrika, Mudsdale, Cinderace. Heck, even Kabutops if you've seen its Stadium animations.
Those would be some strong buffs for some of those Mons like Rapidash if it got more kicking moves like Blaze kick.
Stomp is boosted. It was the first "kick" on the list.
I could honestly see some equine Pokemon get this ability as well. A horse’s kick is pretty nasty, and I was surprised to find that Rapidash could not learn Blaze Kick.
Yep, any animal that can do a leg strike is fair game.
I feel like Blaziken would be a good choice for this ability, but it would require either replacing Speed Boost or being the first starter with a secondary ability. So probably not.
I thought of this idea for a clay pokemon that would use an ability like this, that would evolve by being molded and fired in a kiln. It would start out pure Ground, but upon evolution gain the Fighting type, because it was molded into the visage of a great warrior by the artisan who molds it. It's tradition in, whatever region this would be in, for only the master artisan to be allowed to mold the pokemon of wandering trainers. but incidentally at the time of whatever adventure the player would be one, there would unusually be two master artisans, and holding the same status and authority, constantly bicker an squabble over what the ideal shape of a "great warrior" is. Depending on version, one the artisans would exhaust the other in an argument, and you'd get one form of the pokemon or the other. One Artisan would think upper body strength is everything and make the pokemon super top heavy with small legs (think a build like Larry the Lobster from Spongebob), and the other Artisan would think powerful legs are the visage of a powerful warrior, and give it massive legs and feet, but a tiny upperbody and arms. And nauturally, they'd get the respective abilities Iron Fist and Iron Sole (although I thought up the name Foot Force).
Love that lore!
The TCG has two official names for Electric-type Kicks - Sparking Kick and Energy Kick. Raichu and Elekid learn these two kicks respectively.
Personally, I like that Hitmonlee has less coverage than Hitmonchan. Makes the two unique, if Hitmonlee got access to elemental kicks, you would probably have little to no reason to use Hitmonchan since all the kicks are stronger.
Lastly, I think Sawk, Mienshao, Lopunny, Tauros, Rapidash, Lokix, and Blaziken should probably get it.
They should make an Electric type version of Blaze Kick and give it to physical Electric Pokémon that need a stronger STAB (yes, I'm taking about Luxray), as well as, of course, other kicking based Pokémon. Also I think the TCG already has a move named Flash Kick, just use that name and it should all be done
To be fair with the absense of such an ability until now, maybe the devellopement team at the time felt there wasn't enough diverse kick moves to make it useful, it's only recently that more unique kick moves and abilities boosting other "move type", while back in gen 4, the elemental punches already existed. As such, I think today, a kick boosting ability is a one day sure thing before it arrives, it's not matter of if anymore, but when.
Besides that, nothing about the video, it's good.
I think they could add a flying type kick and name it "Flying Kick." (Go figure). Give it something like 80 base power and does double damage against opponents using fly or bounce.
Edit: Another one that comes to mind would be Dragon Kick (dragon typing) with 90 base power and 50% chance to lower defense. (Dragon Kick being a very power move in many martial arts mediums)
Finally a good physical flying move that you don't have to be a bird to use
I saw another suggestion for a flying-type kick, what flying-type Pokémon do you think would learn it? Or would it just be a coverage option for non- flying-types?
The only flying types that I can picture kicking are the ones that don't really fly-Flamigo (I know they _can_ fly, but they don't seem to often), Galarian Zapdos, and Dodrio.
Bro Hawlucha is SALIVATING right now
I mean, "C" comes before "L", so HitmonChan and HitmonLee would naturally follow suit to that ordering
Ebihara does come before Sawamura alphabetically, so it does make sense if it were listed first by Japanese speakers. I wonder if that was compelling enough for it to be featured first in the anime episodes where they appear.
“Hitmonchan is the clear favorite”
I genuinely started laughing at that statement since its the worst of the trio. Only thing Hitmonchan has over his brothers is that he has 100% accurate coverage for Flying types with Thunder/Ice Punch, which are still significantly weaker than Hitmonlee’s Stone Edge. Hitmonchan also has far worse ability pool. Lee gets Unburden, which is miles better than Iron Fist, and Top gets Intimidate and Technician too.
Readers added context they thought that people might want to know:
"Hitmonchan is the clear favorite getting elemental punches, Drain Punch, Iron Fist ability, and the spotlight. They even introduced Hitmontop, who directly competes with Hitmonlee’s kicking gimmick. At least Hitmonchan is historically the least viable of the three in most formats of competitive play, so Hitmonlee has a place where it gets an iota of respect."
I rather make the ability "Flexible Legs" to improve the accuracy of kicking moves and boost their damage by 10%. It's not much more damage or accuracy, but it takes High Jump Kick up to a 143 BST move with 99% accuracy, and that's pretty good. The damage boost could be 20%, still leaving it a lesser power boosting ability in exchange for the accuracy boost, but I think it's worth it. Plus, the flexibility goes well with Hitmonlee's design with stretchy limbs, compared to Hitmonchan having iron weighted gloves and an almost armored look with his shoulder pads
You should definitely make a video about it.
@@CammyMeeleTea Thanks. I've never done much video editing or attempted making a video like that, but maybe I will. I don't mind it you steal the idea for yourself either 😁
There should be some elemental kicks to like Aqua Kick. Or Rock Kick.
If they were to ever give Hidden Abilities to Ultra Beasts, Iron Sole would be a perfect fit on Pheromosa. I think it could also fit on Flamigo over Tangled Feet, maybe a Dodrio if they actually give it a kick or two
I think Triple Arrows would not be a kick for the same reason Close Combat isn't. It's 1 kick and 3 arrows. Close Clombat is a collection of kicks and punches (maybe headbutts and tail hits too for some Pokemon since it doesn't specify), so I think being related to various different types of hits negates it from being improved. Otherwise, I agree with the decision making here and like it. Though, I think the power boost is a bit high for an offensive list of moves that includes one with a 130 base power move. But sound moves have Boomburst, so I guess it's fair
Headlong Rush is my favorite punch.
@@CammyMeeleTea Wait, is headlong rush actually treated as a punching move in-game? That's hilarious and makes 0 sense. Isn't the move canonically just a headfirst charge, like Head Smash? That was always what the name and animation seemed to imply to me
I got you:
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@@CammyMeeleTea oh, it's a sumo reference. I guess that kinda makes sense, but do people strike fists in sumo? Still an odd choice. Guess that was a way of buffing iron fist, but I still rather just have tough claws and get a stronger boost on every physical move instead of a limited list. They really need to rework this ability already, it's just sad
Floor Hammer
Two hit steel type 90 acc
1st hit is 35 and lowers speed
2nd hit is 75
Based off the martelo do chão
I'm a huge Hitmonlee fan and I find it so unfair he still has no access to Triple Axel, which is described as being a kick-based attack. And what's more insulting is Hitmontop does get it! Why can't the one Hitmon-bro that specializes in kicks not get that move but Top does? ToT
I personally believe bounce should be a kicking/leg move only bc i always think of ponyta and rapid ash using it and I would find it weird if they did anything but land on u w their feet
Fish and other legless things learn Bounce. Making Bounce a kick, can rob legless pokémon of Flying coverage. That's why it's important to consider every angle. Why not add a Flying-type kick? It's a single turn, so it actually gets use, Flying type, and gives a new kick that is specifically a kick.
Can't we just call it iron legs or horse stance?
Definitely not horse stance, to many people are just gonna ask why the horse pokemon don’t get it or why it’s only in non-horse pokemon
The name is entirely a placeholder. I care more about moves, the mechanics, and the distribution.
There are 10 Pokémon that can learn at least three of the moves you've categorized:
- Blaziken
- Flamigo
- Hitmonlee
- Lokix
- Lopunny
- Medicham
- Mudbray / Mudsdale
- Pheremosa
- Tsareena
A couple are obvious improvements (Lokix already needs a secondary abilitiy, Iron Sole is strictly better than Hitmonlee's Reckless, etc.). A couple just won't work (Pheremosa is stuck with Beast Boost, Medicham's Pure Power is still better). The rest raise interesting questions: Is it better than Mega Blaziken's Speed Boost or Mega Lopunny's Scrappy? Should it replace Own Tempo for the mud horses, or Inner Focus? Would it make Flamigo to powerful for early-game? Etc.
Also, I question whether Triple Axel should count. No one learns it by level up, and the move tutor gives it to Pokémon not really known for kicking prowess, like Alolan Ninetales, Articuno, Jynx, and Delibird. Or, that don't even have feet at all, like Milotic, Froslass, Cryogonal, the Popplio line, and Frosmoth. I'm not sure what Game Freak's intention was with this move, but it doesn't seem like feet are involved.
I thought about that and then remembered that Great Tusk and Wooper get punching moves.
@@CammyMeeleTea Yes, well, I also dispute the idea that Headlong Rush really qualifies as a punching move. Nor do I understand why they'd give Triple Axel to Primarina but not Quaquaval.
Speaking Quaquaval, I think Aqua Step should qualify as a kicking move (it makes more sense as a kicking move than Headlong Rush does as a punching move). But, I think Quaquaval might also be in a similar position to Blaziken: Would Iron Sole be a better hidden ability than Moxie?
Yeah, Game Freak's decisions confuse me, even when I actually factor the language barrier. It confuses me so.
Check the pinned comment for my stance on Aqua Step.
The ability should be Iron Heel to match Iron Fist.
I don't agree with the argument for stomp, but I can understand your rationale. But based on that rationale I would think that should translate to High Horsepower. Either way, yes something for kicks should be applied but this ability is lackluster when not coupled with diversity. I would change it to "Fancy Footwork" if a kicking move was used in battle, the speed or maybe evasion, goes up by 1 stage. It could maybe even give a +1 priority to kicking moves. Due to the extra reach and fast tempo.
Please read or listen to English and Japanese move descriptions for Stomp and High Horsepower.
I love that you take the original names very seriously, most english speaking content creators completely ignores that Pokémon is a japanese game and that cultural context is very important. THANK YOU.
I'm really tired of people saying that Yanma/Yanmega should be dragon types when this makes zero sense in any language other than english, for example. Or complaining about Sucker Punch not being boosted by Iron Fist. This kind of stuff.
Also pokémon names in the early generations can be very misleading, but to this day people insists in using the english names as argument while ignoring the original ones. People who insists that Beedrill is a bee, that Mr. Mime should all be male, etc., etc., etc.
Yeah, it's really surprising how many people love foreign stuff but don't go further into the culture to learn about it. I find it so interesting.
People think _Surprise Attack_ is a punch move???? Do they not read Bulbapedia? lol
@@SnoFitzroy They do not.
@@CammyMeeleTea It seems to me that this is kinda of a cultural trait of the US. Most americans seems to be very unaware of what happens and exists in the rest of the world, and this seems to be made worse by so many bad dubs and translations of anime, always trying to "americanize" everything because apparently american kids are dumb and cannot understand that other cultures exists. That's how you guys got onigiri being translated as jelly-filled donuts and other bizarre stuff. I'm from Brazil and here we are very familiar with japanese terms because our anime dubs simply did not translate stuff that have no direct translation. Youkai remained youkai instead of being adapted to demons, Dragon Ball Z kept all the original names for attacks, this kind of stuff that as far as I know, never happened in the US.
Nah, there's plenty of times where I'll explain something ten times in the video and put it in the pinned comment. Then, someone will try to contest me in the comments about it when paying attention to the video or doing a quick Google search would nullify their whole argument.
For example, right now, people are asserting that Aqua Step is a kick with no new compelling information.
My stance was pretty clear in the rules section of the video and in the Aqua Step section of the video. From the info we were given, it can be done by kicking but also could be done without kicking. Since I'm not sure, I didn't include it as a kick. Telling me to assume it is a kick isn't giving new evidence. It's telling me to break my rules. Part of the rules was to not assume anything.
Plus, if you look at the page for Aqua Step, it says it's already boosted by Dancer and is thus a Dancing move.
Plus, at the end, I suggest adding a Water-type kicking move.
I personally dont care either way, but I care about creating a quality video, so I don't want to make assumptions, and would like to report as close to the truth as I can, and admit any mistakes if I make them.
So it feels weird to me when people seem ready to die on this hill about Aqua Step being a kick, when they don't really have a reason to do so other than fulfilling their own head canon.
I think at the end of the day, people mean well, they're just passionate to the point of being blinded by their passion.
ok i can maybe understand stomping tantrum because the stomps aren't the things doing the damage to the enemy.
i personally believe it should count because if you can omit more force from the initial point of the strike (in this case the feet as you are stomping the ground to make this attack) having an ability that strengthen your feet should boost that as well.
but aqua step definitely has the right to be a kicking move, the name of both English and Japanese is "aqua step"
the Japanese description is "With its gentle steps that drip water, it can toy with the opponent and deal damage. He gives away his quickness." (水もしたたる かろやかな 足どりで 相手を 翻弄し ダメージを 与える。 自分の 素早さを あげる。)
meanwhile the English description is "The user toys with the target and attacks it using light and fluid dance steps. This also boosts the user's Speed stat."
all of these mention the dance move it makes with it's legs to be the origin point of this attack, so you either have the stomping tantrum situation where it's up to opinions
or quaquavel is actually kicking and dancing at the same time with wet feet to deal damage to opponents
and based on the fact the move makes contact (in other words the two pokemon collide during the use of the move) it's fair to assume that quaquavel actually kicks the opponent with wet feet during this move
as for a move idea:
Curb-stomp: a vicious stomp uncaring for the target's health
type: dark
BP: 75
accuracy: 90%
PP: 15
2ndary effects: (yes it's possible to have more then one 2ndary effect, take a look at the elemental fangs)
A. 15% chance to reduce target's defense by one stage
B. higher critical hit chance
No. I've already read the descriptions of every move in English and in Japanese, and commissioned a translator to review what nuance I might have missed, so that I don't have to rely purely really clunky Google translations. It's odd to tell me the Japanese description when I spend a whole section explaining that I'm doing that already. You're asserting a different conclusion without introducing any new information that addresses the one thing that I was unsure of: that it can be performed without kicking.
As said in the video, it's not that it couldn't be a kick, it's that nothing about the description makes it uniquely a kick. Boxers (who aren't allowed to kick) will change up their footwork to evade, out maneuver, and overwhelm opponents. The same goes for fencers and sword fighters. Close Combat even has the pokémon rush up close to start infighting.
Another thing addressed in the video is that we need to look at how Japanese versions sort moves by category, like how moves with "ほう" aren't automatically a cannon move despite other moves with "ほう". If you looked into move categories like i said, you'd see that Aqua Step is already affected by Dancer ability, thus classified as a Dance. I'm not going to take a move away from Dancer pokémon when we can just create a new kick for Iron Sole pokémon.
Part of this video's research was to see if a move was already part of an exclusive move category.
It's better to create a new Water type kick, and let the Dancer pokémon keep their Dance. If we add a new Water kick, Quaquaval would probably get it, Iron Sole or not. And Iron Sole pokémon get their new moist kick.
Again, the goal is to create more options without taking options from others. I hope that helps explain my stance.
@@CammyMeeleTea alright, but did you research if a move can be in multiple categories?
Yes, I did. That's what I explained in the section about moves that could be boosted by Mega Launcher and/or blocked by Bulletproof. The whole Match Gotcha explanation shows how the move is neither, despite having "ほう" in the name. The opposite is Aura Sphere. Aura Sphere is both a ball/bomb move and a pulse/wave move. Both are listed in the name and description explicitly. Unfortunately, Mega Launcher is offensive and Bulletproof is defensive, so we don't know for sure if they'd make a "boosts ball and bomb moves" ability, so that we can see if we can have a move work for two different category boosts. It probably could happen, but again that’s an assumption.
Again, this changes nothing because it still doesn't address my fundamental hesitation: Aqua Step can possibly be performed by dancing fluidly to confound the opponent, then using any appendage to strike. The fast dance steps are mandatory. The actual strike being the legs isn’t. Arms, or even a headbutt.
Headlong Rush is a punch boosted by Iron Fist that can be used by Great Tusk, an elephant. Stupid things like that are what I'm trying to prevent. I want moves to be consistent regardless of language.
You might be okay with an assumption, I'm not. By bringing it up in the video at all, it's obvious that I'm acknowledging it could be a kick, I just can't 100% confirm it. I'm completely comfortable taking the conservative approach and waiting until I'm sure. We have different mindsets, and that's okay.
Again, this whole discussion can be circumvented entirely by just adding a new Water move that's explicitly a kick. Then everyone benefits regardless of if Aqua Step is exclusively a Dance, exclusively a kick, or is both a Dance and Kick.
I saw Lokix use Axe Kick on me in a battle. Idk if it’s Dark or Fighting
Frankly, I’m surprised we haven’t had it. We got abilities for wind and cutting based moves this generation but not kicks. Shame.
For Pokémon I’d give it to, outside of Hitmonlee and Tsareena, Lopunny, Dodrio (because ostrich
If G Zapdos doesn’t get it) Hisuian Lilligant and, if we do get another legends game, a dark version of Blaziken. Pheromosa would’ve been a fun candidate but she’s an ultra beast. Lokix should get it. I mean, it’s a cricket that has a pair of battle legs.
Toxicroak maybe because it’s a frog.
A move for dark types like “Cruel Sweep” where the opponent falls into all of the entry hazards, would be fun.
Due to a lot of dances, I’m surprised we don’t have a ballet themed kick for a fairy move.
Drill stomp maybe as a steel kick?
That's exactly what I'm getting at. It's an ability that should exist for consistency's sake. I'm not expecting it to shake up the meta or anything. It just should exist already.
@@CammyMeeleTea I’m not expecting it either.
It would be nice for Pokémon like Tsareena because most people would assume you’d be running Queenly majesty.
Cheesy Feet
75 Base Power
90% Accuracy
Poison Type
The user kicks the opponent in the nose with their smelly feet. It may make the target flinch.
I would've laughed my head off at this move when I was younger, and truth be told I'd probably laugh at it now.
i like your takes, i also always wanted a kick boosting ability specially because i love blaziken and think blazikick is such a sick move in concept. i know he has speed boost as his HA and it would be wastefull to take that away, but what if starters were to have 2 HAs to compensate having only 1 regular ability? (hey, video idea for you there. could be the same for legendaries) well anyway...
the only thing i dislike is your suggested name, iron sole sounds kinda... lame? also i get its a pun with soul/sole and all that, but still. also name verlaps with iron fist, i feel like those abilities could have a diferent prefix to them. i think other names like crushing heel, spring legs, heavy foot, horseshoed, or just steel toes could work.
Fancy names are cool, but as we've seen time and time again, it messes with translations and makes the gameplay unclear.
I personally prefer clarity over style.
Feel free to change up the name however you want in a mod or in a video you make though, totally don't mind.
It should be called Mule Kick and be added to the horsies and donkey pokes too
High horsepower could get the boost too
You should make a video about it and flesh it out.
I would name the ability "Striker" which boosts the kicking moves..
There's mods that already use that name and I don't want to rip them off. I'm also way more interested in mechanics, effects, and distribution than names. Because of that, all names I make are memes, or names specifically made to set up a joke in the video.
Lokix or however you spell it should have gotten this
Honestlyit would be bonkers. Iron fist is kinda weak to begin with and should be boosted to 30% since punches usully have low base power to begin with. And for kicks should be 30% tops. yeah the most powerfull kick has 90% accuracy but so do have the strongest "punches" which have 100 base power. And if 90% is too low just use jump kick which is still 100 base power and 95% accurate and with 30% boost would be 130 and not 150. a 150 bs move with 95% accuracy is too OP
This is a follow up to a video where I buffed some abilities. In that video I said Iron Fist should be bumped up to 40% or 50% to bring it in line with the other abilities.
Is striker a real ability?
Nope, just a Radical Red ability
Then again so was Sharpness (or back then, Blademaster in Radical Red) and yet here we are
Thoughts on stomping tantrum?
Nothing that I haven't already said in the video.
Wait. Stomp will always hit a minimized opponent?
Yep, at least as of Generation II. In Generation I, it was only made to have the damage and the flinch effect.
It's literally the point of the move
Can you do a video on a move that mainly freezes the opponent? Some ideas that as a TM, it is mainly taught to Ice and Water types. Some others are the Duskull line, The Hisuian Zoroark Line, Charizard, and Rotom. Another idea is that if used by an Ice type, it becomes a priority move.
You mean like Will-O-Wisp, but it freezes?
@@CammyMeeleTea Exactly!
Definitely would be open to that for Frostbite, or having Frostbite in the game at all would be a great start.
Tbh I prefer Unburden
If this was a video purely about Hitmonlee, I'd agree.
iron fist has never been a good ability, any pokemon uses it doesn't have a better ability
I know, I explain that in depth in my "Buffing Abilities" video.