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You know in all honesty if this show was some kind of Scooby Parody show with characters names changing like making Fred-Frank, Daphne-Stephanie, Velma-Venessa and Shaggy-Scruffy, and Scooby-Sheppard it would've worked a lot better. They can make all the meta jokes they like, and not post tweets or interviews insulting fans. They could've made this trainwreck work for somebody
I still can't believe they made Velma the opposite of what her actual personality used to be. She was characterized as being a bit shy and socially awkward, especially around people she admired or felt intimidated by. Here, she obnoxiously proclaims to each character that they are shallow and dumber than her right to their face. It's not charming or done in a clever way, it's annoying and ironically lacks self-awareness.
did the same with norville not shaggy as actual shaggy was never a super judgemental or sanctimonious person despite being a proud hippie. while this norville is super judgemental of people for doing something only on par with alchol which his friends and love itrest both drink.
Apparently Velma sorta had that attitude in mystery Inc too? (I’m just going off what the video said, I never watched the show for myself.) but the difference there was that those traits from Velma were portrayed as flaws, while this show seems like it’s glorifying them so far.
@@train4292 she sorta had that attitude only around the things that interested her. There are a couple episodes that jump to mind but overall her haughtiness would stem from having domain expertise (like the episode about the medieval reenactment carnival) but even then the story arc would end with her understanding the other side's point of view
@@TheAlphaJayShow Are you ever going to review the terrible IRL spinoff The Really Loud House ? If you thought the live action movie was bad , this isn't any better.
These shows are made to flop time and time again while still reaching the minds of todays youth and influencing their view on the world. Only a matter of time before shows like these are widely accepted by the audience who grew up on this and every other predictable flop of a show put out.
Honestly, Scooby not being in the show is a mercy. I don't think we'd be able to handle them bastardizing Scooby like they bastardized the other characters.
@@ah8893 Nothing about this shit show is "woke," and you're likely going to have trouble with finding any progressives that like/support it. And please stop flinging that word around without actually understanding what it means or its significance - this isn't some recent slang, it's been a part of AAVE since the 1920s for a reason (the time period should be an obvious clue).
The worst part about this whole thing is that shows like "Infinity Train" and "Close Enough" were out on the chopping block like they were nothing, but they still decided to keep Velma around. As if it had a special, unreachable quality that none of the other cancelled shows had.
As a Black man myself I think instead of changing existing characters change race and claim them to look "better in that race" they should create their own Show like a black people sitcom Kind of like boondocks if you know what I mean
I've never watched this show, but that clip of Velma laughing at Norville as he pours his heart out to her genuinely hurt me. I felt horrible for him. Did anyone actually genuinely laugh at that?
I personally think since Mindy is such a radical femin@zi, that this is her way of saying "the friendzone doesn't exist". This Mindy. This is the friendzone. being laughed at in your face from the person you love for having feelings for them instead of being let down smoothly and with compassion.
they could've had scooby in the show, they could've just made him a normal dog that doesn't talk and then have him be the "smart pet that helps in only the way a pet can" sort of role
@@lilylove925 i think having scooby as a dog that can't talk is the best way they could integrate him in, even if he's just a side character, he still needs to be in it
Never understood why they thought Scooby being in the show would be too juvenile when Brian Griffin exists... Wait... Nevermind... We don't need another Brian Griffin
@@TheAlphaJayShow I considered what if they made Scooby a normal dog to everyone else, but to shaggy he (from his (POV) he was a talking dog. To help keep him grounded, and the dog was genuinely smart as well.
I feel making Norville really anti drugs is them realising that they made the "the drug guy" black so it was a way for them to overcorrect and try and avoid jokes and accusations of them being racist
its jsut such a boring direction. its jsut the same joke being repeated ad neaseum which don't work because, gasp, shaggy nevr actually did drugs cause he was a kids cartoon character and it was a stupid fandom joke. They're making joeks about a character trait that NEVER ACTUALLY EXISTED.
That's ironic sense I'm assuming they kept Fred straight, white and male so they could specifically make him the racist & privilaged one. I guess racial stereotypes only matter to them when the person isn't a straight, white male and I'm saying this a black male.
Mystery Incorporated deserves more attention. When I first watched it I was blown away by how it stayed true to the characters and formula of Scooby-Doo while telling a complex, thrilling, and emotional overarching narrative. It was more "adult" than this could ever hope to be.
Honestly, the only thing I didn't like about Mystery Incorporated was its depiction of Fred. He was too trap-obsessed and too dense at times to notice Daphne's affections. My favorite portrayal is his original, competent portrayal from the original Scooby-Doo, Where Are You?
@@F0re5tMan you mean the portrayal where his whole character revolved around the lines "looks like we got a mystery on our hands" and "lets split up and look for clues"? im kidding...mostly, but i do agree they could have done a little bit more with him in mystery inc, like maybe played more into his relationship with his dad, since his dad was like the mayor if i recall
Mindy is the sole definition of the word "Privilege" itself. She grew up in a upper class, went to an ivy league college & never had to struggle in her life to get where she's today now. She made Velma herself insert but this version of Fred is actually HER.
Why'd they make Fred a racist narcissist? He was the trap loving himbo!!! THIS IS SLANDER!!! I can’t accept the character assassination of Fred. He’s supposed to be the golden retriever of humans.
@@FatherOFCrimzon to be fair, 70's Scooby doesn't have much of a character development outside Scooby and Shaggy, however even if had, surely he wouldn't be that type of guy.
@@daelen.cclark Even The Gang from "It's Always Sunny," easily the apotheosis of the "best friends who are awful people and hate each other" trope, still care for each other deep down amd are willing to help one another in whatever scheme or scrape they've gotten themself into. There are genuine moments of heart, like Frank tearing up at Mac's dance routine in "Mac Finds His Pride" or Charlie's animated fantasy about saving the day and having a family with The Waitress when the convenience store is getting robbed. It's not just "Everything sucks, I hate everything, fuck you for watching."
I will definitely use this show as a study on how to NOT write my semi-autobiograpgical OC urban fantasy long graphic novel. ...don't be like Velma. Don't be like Velma. 😆
not really, after all... they'll keep cancelling all the animations that has great plots.... more like if you want to make it as a show writer easily, remember to write the same as this sh*t
That just means you're a better writer, not that your story will survive... Mindy is rich, that's why she was able to safe her show from the cencellation wave.
is it bad that i love how much the whole internet and collective social consciousness completely said no to this show, its characters, its concept, and the execution. All of the stuff in the show is basically mindy kaling's OC that she called velma and decided to just not be funny while doing it. its just nice to see that everyone is repulsed by this show instead of an imbalance between like and hate
@@quanashiab.9620 yea I guess hate brings harmony in the internet lol this show was the avatar of bad shows it united us against it. I can only imagine what it's like being Mindy kaling and seeing your show unanimously hated so much on both sides. Hell I keep seeing south Asian women hate this show so much because of how Mindy is obsessed with white men and making South Asian women look like insecure messes who have to change themselves to be accepted
I agree, it feels nice to be united against a common enemy for once instead of standing on top of a rift that threatens to swallow all sides like with everything else in the last decade.
i just feel like the Scooby-Doo franchise (except this show ofc) exists in this kind of universal acceptance bubble. i don't think i've ever met or even known anyone who had anything bad to say about the concept. sure some iterations were less popular than others, but i can't really think of anyone who disliked the gang in their original forms Velma, the show, basically tried to "fix" something that the entire world considered to be "not broken",and it shows
@@zilesis1 oh most definitely the case I agree whole heartedly. They thought they could do better and they failed at it. Everyone says it sucks and the reasons why are so insurmountable you can't even name them all in one video. Or comment lol
Mystery Incorporated had mature themes but were handled BETTER than Velma did. While it kept the "monster of the day" formula Scooby Doo is known for, it also added a narrative where the mysteries serve as puzzle pieces to a storyline centered around past events of Crystal Cove and the Mystery Inc, along with other characters develop from these experiences. For example, the mystery behind the original Mystery Gang, Fred's desire to find the truth about his birth parents, Shaggy's relationship with Velma and Scooby, etc.
hell the mystery was actually intriguing and interesting, meanwhile this series has a simpler murder mystery plot that isn't as interesting and so far has been spent with the main cast bumbling around because velma thinks fred did it.
I didn;t like what they did to Velma there either. Especially since Scooby's reaction made no sense. In almost all the other series he loved Velma almost as much as Shaggy! If Shaggy and Velma got together I always thought Scooby would be thrilled and pressuring them to marry so Velma could be his owner too!
They did meta comentary and such better too- Mystery Incorporated both plays straight and lampoons the whole basis of Scooby do, the fact that EVERY CRIMINAL tries to scare people away by pretending to be a monster. I mean it makes sense in the context of discouraging witnesses while simultaneously making them less credible, but it being the idea EVERY criminal came up with is weird when you think about it, and Mystery incorporated had so much fun with that idea. It was part of the larger mystery, plenty of the individual monsters and criminals had their weird justifications for the ruse, and they had so many running gags with it, mainly how Everyone seemed to completely buy that they were real until the gang proved otherwise. Heck even members of the gang treated the monsters like they were real- Velma meets a mermaid in her bath tub and treats her like the real thing and a reliable witness (she explicitly doned the costume in order to inform on criminals dressing like bipedal fish people) and Everyone treated an Orc biker gang as the real thing when they were obviously people in costume (it wasn't even a crime thing, there was one of them that was commiting crime, but the overall group were just bikers that like dressing up as orcs to further distance themselves from their nerdy normal lives). Mystery incorporated played everything about Scooby do to the hilt, and played it all for laughs the whole time, good naturedly.
Ehhhh I didn't like what Incorporated did with their characters either. Daphne became desperate to a cringe level, they dumbed Fred down TEN fold and made him irrationally obsessive, they botched Velma and they did a REALLY weird thing with scooby and Shaggy. I don't understand all the hype inc gets. Just because it's different doesn't make it better. I WILL say it's better than Velma.
It's like the writer wanted to make a fanfic where people actually like her, which is really sad, but watching the show makes you understand why people wouldn't.
I want to know what mindy kaling had to do to become famous because she’ll pretty godawful. I have never watched anything she’s in so I couldn’t even tell you.
My personal way to make scooby work in an adult setting is to have him not talk but change shaggy to being either a veterinarian or an aspiring vet that has studied dogs to the point where he understands their mannerisms to a point it feels like he can talk to dogs.
Its fine to hate scooby doo, but to somehow get hired, write and produce a show about scooby doo hating on scooby doo fans is somethting else entirely. Scooby doo is one of those shows that every generstion has grown up with and completely destroying it would always result in an internet backlash.
@@Dave102693 Well this isn’t really a reboot this is Mindy Kaling’s cringey self insert telling her own cringey story creation that uses the Scooby Gang as a base for views. New Scooby-Doo content is created every year so I’m sure we’ll see the originals back in some new Movie,show,game, etc sometime within this year.
The reason why people are so against "race swapping" is beyond the race itself, it's because about 99% of the time it points to the writers priorities and mindset, which usually easily predictably bad. The only time when "representation" is done right is when the charecter is written well and just happens to be in the "representation" group, when the character's "representation" is front and centered it always end bad, because instead of being a charecter they become a vehicle for "representation" So TLDR it is transparently obvious that the writers priorities are in the wrong place when that happens.
This applies to race, gender, sexuality, or any other surface level trait or minority. In Mystery Incorporated, Velma was White, Straight, and yet those weren't her defining traits. She had so much more going for her, and we the fans, loved it. In her new incarnation, her defining traits are those surface level identifiers, and it's done for the sake of representation of those traits. They did the same thing for all the characters, just hyper defining surface level stereotypes for representation, instead of expanding on what made the original characters so good.
@@portwise23 exactly my point, you're completely right, they use those surfaces level traits as a substitute for actual charecter, "representation" should come in naturally and not forced and not as a the focal point of the charecter replacing actual charecter.
On god I feel like im the only non-white that fucking hates race swapping. I just want characters to look right. It's not hard at all I dont give a shit about representation. I dont give a shit about my race. I'm just a person.
When your first instinct in making an adult installment to a children's franchise is to exclude its most identifiable character because "it's too childish", that just makes me think the writers aren't creative or imaginative enough to make it work.
I mean Supernatural did a more mature version and brought in the title character. But the actors and writers of Supernatural had respect for the characters and the show it’s parodies. It was funny and each character got to shine like for example when Fred says they could’ve been fighting real monsters. Lmao 🤣 Or when Shaggy & Scobby got their “I told you their was real monsters” moment while Daphne and Velma talked about how hot Dean and Sam were and how Velma wanted to jump Sam. 😂
To be honest, I'm glad the writers didn't even dare to bring Scooby-Doo into this abomination of a show, I wouldn't have been able to witness how they massacred our boi as well.
@Will N This is a better concept and script than Velma. They could've made a seriously toned Show like Mystery Inc or this but decided to make it more of a meta "comedy" that uses outdated archetypes that haven't been relevant since the late 2000s and completely Fucking over a major character just because they need a "Ignorant, racist white boy" because apparently that needs to be relevant for the show.
I really agree on your last point, since I thought it would've been amazing to have a series showing how all the members of of the gang didn't fit in with the world around them and how they all kinda found each other and are pals because of that and their shared love of mysteries. Kind of like found family in a way.
To be fair a more mature Mystery inc would just be M.I. but with swear words and on screen deaths, since the show already was pretty mature, i would have said turn down the childish jokes but...this ADULT show has even more childish jokes
This is sad and as a black man I feel that the story is more important than having characters of color with no substance. It makes me sad because I feel that shows that I love growing up will be remade and it won’t be good because they just want to have people of all walks of life be it different races or sexualities just to show them on TV but not try to make it good just to be accepted
and its weird cause its mostly kids shows maybe i was weird but when i was a kid i dint even care what skin color the characters were like i watched static shock as a kid, i didnt see it as a "black superhero show" i just saw it as a "cool superhero show" to my kid brain it really made no difference
@@mrroboshadow Exactly, I watched Static Shock as a kid too, and while I was of course aware that the main character and superhero was black, I never thought of it as a “black superhero show” either, like you I just thought of it as a “cool superhero show”, where the main character and superhero just so happened to be black. I don’t think that it’s weird of us, I think that’s how you want your audience to respond, appreciating a good show with good representation, and NOT hyper focusing on the representation or allowing it to define the show, because the point of representation is to normalize what is represented, not put it up on a pedestal.
Well in this instance I don’t think representation was their main goal. It’s basically just the Mindy Kaling show. Seems she only used the Scooby gang as a base to get more eyes on her show(as she knew no one would watch it as an original show of it’s own). Its her own cringey story creation with the Scooby gang being slapped on it for marketing basically.
daphne was a lot more in the original series. she always had a good head for getting the gang out of sticky situations, and she knew how to operate tools pretty well.
When the world needed him most, Frank Welker will always be involved in any Scooby-Doo film or show, even if it's a parody clip or scene, Frank will reprise his role voicing Scooby, Fred, and any other character in the franchise. Frank Welker is irreplaceable. Frank Welker is HIM.
Velma-smart,sassy and proud Shaggy- fun loving where his emotions on his sleeves Dalphne-greatest emotional support she help her team with anything despite how idiotic it is Fred: he strong will know how to lead others
Real talk: giving characters in ANY adult cartoon a relatively wholesome personality and NOT having it be portrayed as stupid or naive would pretty much instantly make the thing unique in a landscape of awful people being awful to eachother.
I find it funny how writers think the only way to make a cartoon more adult is by adding blood and gore, showing sexual imagery, and having characters swear like sailors nonstop as if that substitutes for a good story… Invincible did the “cartoon for adults” idea very well. It draws you in like it’s another Justice league clone, and just when you think it’s going to be another generic superhero story, you get the horrifying bloodbath that is the end of the first episode, perfectly setting the tension, tone, and mystery for the rest of the series. Meanwhile, the series shows us the weight and consequence of the violence instead of it being just for show, knows how to use pervasive language sparingly, and is at its core about a son trying to find his place in life while unraveling the mystery around his father’s origins and even intentions, with a bunch of fun and interesting side characters (except Amber. Fuck Amber). Is it perfect? Not 100%, but it respects the source while showing you don’t need to resort to tasteless tactics to tell a compelling adult cartoon story.
And then there's stuff like Purno de Purno which takes the more lax standards of Dutch childrens' television to make a cartoon that CAN be considered adult anywhere else & can be liked for its incredibly wild mind screw plots of sheer madness that tends to not rely on crappy shmex jokes, gore, or swearing.
I don't understand how it's so hard for Hollywood and some writers to understand that all maturity really is in a show is depth. The more compelling something is the more it's bound to attract a mature audience. Surface level taboos can't compensate for that
I liked Mystery Inc's Fred. He was obsessed with traps and was a certified dumbass (affectionate). I've only even seen a few episodes, but I loved what I saw of his character there! His obsession with traps and him constantly missing/misunderstanding social cues in Mystery, Inc has read as very autistic to me. Whilst sometimes it seems like his only character trait is "likes traps", I almost kinda like that sometimes. Because I, an autistic, relate to it a lot. When we develop a special interest, it can be pretty damn intense sometimes lol. And ho boy, when we get really excited? Be ready to have your ear talked off about them. For Fred, it's traps. For me, it's cooking/baking and farming rpg video games.
in my opinion they should of never canceled the show idc if they needed to make 2 different separate Scooby-Doo shows that series was perfect,the story wasn't boring it really caught me in it's trap, and I never though the series would do that
Same, I was kinda getting those autistic vibes too, but I thought it could just be me projecting. Also since you mentioned liking farmer rpgs, have you ever played Stardew Valley? It’s a great one
I wish it leaned into the hallucinations/panic attacks angle more and why she gets them. Like the hallucinations are so surreal and fluidly animated, and this could have been an interesting exploration of anxiety and mental health while also still leaning into the mystery solving.
That angle of "Facing Pressure" could have worked so well, to the point you wouldn't have to twick those interraction of characters that much. Velma > Pressure of knowing she was abandonned and to search why, that idea of "not being good enough". Daphne > Pressure of having to be "The Perfect schoolgirl" while also maintening her business, showing she's searching for a way to indentify herself not by just her parents. Norville > Pressure of living an unreciprocated love and doubting his "appeal", not by the whole Beta Male angle, but in the fact he accepts that he's not loved back and move along with life. Fred > Pressure of both being socially inepte because he's the Rich Kid with a "problematic education", but also socially Rejected because he's the "White Rich Kid" and he wants to separate himself from that picture. There. Just make them all Kids with Anxiety who counts on each others to fight their own issues and help others solves their, all while on going on an overall arc of Mystery solving, boom.
I would honestly be more excited by the show if they went for this angle of everyone dealing with this pressure in their lives while solving the mysteries of their town! It’s solid writing and shows that the writers know what they’re doing!
You know how to make Scooby work in this universe. Have him be a therapy dog, who doesn’t have to talk but whose actions doing his job makes him feel like he is and has a all his own character. And the “food association” with Scooby could be him during “off time”, eating enough to keep up with the craziness of the gang.
the fact that they’re all meant to be, like, 15 and getting into all these situations involving drugs and sex (even with Fred’s “tiny duck” being some kind of essential fact about his character) really rubs me the wrong way. I’m not saying that teenagers in real life as old as these characters HAVEN’T gotten into these situations, but it’s also not really something that should be normalized - they’re minors, and the fact that a bunch of adults are like “haha watch all these young teenagers get into WACKY ADULT SITUATIONS involving SEX and ALCOHOL and DRUGS” just feels uncomfortable.
Yeah, like: this is a bunch of crimes of incapable abandon and even if is trying to be realistic, showing that thing because happens, you should frame this as harmful behavior, at least.
Honestly, so far the one good thing I've seen in this show is Velma's missing mom backstory and her anxiety/panic attacks, it's a really interesting idea of having one of the mystery gang try to solve a mystery in their youth which indirectly lead to a mysterious tragedy, so they don't do mystery solving until a mystery inevitably finds them and they become determined to solve the new mystery as well as finding the truth about the past tragedy, all while dealing with anxiety and fear of mystery solving due to the tragedy that they feel is their fault, but the show completely missed that golden opportunity by focusing on it's meta humor and raunchiness with characters who are such complete jerks that I honestly would rather see them get killed off then solve the mystery
I like to bring out the point AlphaJay made that changing the character's skin and/or sex doesn't make the character terrible, but skills in the writers' on how to tell a story. And to my surprise, this has worked before. Such as Nick Fury from Marvel where in the comics he was white but they changed him to black in some cartoons and movies. It is just nowadays that when we see a character race swapped our minds point to it going to be a bad show. That's due because of writers not knowing how to write a good story or even a good joke.
Yeah and AFAIK they only seem to hire the worst writers/storyboarders/artists these days & tend to not have the working capacity to find the good ones on the internet.
It also got to do with the hypocrisy as well. Notice how people are okay when they make a white person non-white such as black and call people racist if they don't like the change, yet they lose their minds when they make a non-white character white and will call anyone racist if they like the change.
I do agree. In many cases does race and or gender swapping a character seem like a red flag because of how often in the recent past this was a sign that pushing some kind of message was taken priority towards making a good product leading to absolutely abysmal results.
Race-swaping Velma and Shaggy to make them have more social pressures could be amazing like the fact that Asian descendents (Indians, Chinese and other from those partes) have to be intelligent because of the stereotypical idea and not only because she is truly smart leading to her sometimes acting holier than thou to mask the moments she doesn't know the answer or is out smarted by someone how should be less smart and Shaggy having a thing with drugs because of those stereotypes or a drug addict in his family leading him to have high levels of anxiety and/or depression because of it leading him to eat a lot but then whe discover that binging in food too much to the point of eating this he should not be(like scooby snacks) is making him sick and to take care of himself and not feel alone he could find Scooby a dog that was genetically modified to eat like humans and also talk that would be terminate since he was a "failed project" Shaggy could make him his service dog that would eat a big half of his food and help in mental breakdown moments and in very hard food binges.....WHY THE HELL THEY DIDN'T THINK ABOU ALL OF THAT???
Being black (although I'm bi-racial, but whatever), the best representation is getting awesome characters that are black. Whether they're portrayed as badass, successful, caring or wholesome. That's representation. Not slapping brown paint on already existing, previously white characters. Same thing with the little mermaid, instead of remaking it with different actors, why not just make a new classic, that happens to have black characters. I might be repeating things said in the comments already, but eh
What's ironic is that The Little Mermaid the Series had a special episode where a character was based on a mute fan of the franchise. Who was a black girl.
I get ur point and I used to agree with you on "no point in making the little mermaid black". But now I think they chose the best looking actor for the role. When it comes to actors, I think it's a lot different. So long as you can play the role well, it doesn't matter. Halle Bailey (the actor for the little mermaid movie) is gorgeous in an ethereal/mystical way, which to me is very fitting for a mermaid. She also has a beautiful voice fit for the mystical nature of a mermaid, too.
I don't get the Little Mermaid hate. They just hired an actor who was black, how is that bad? They did the same for Nick Fury and no one gave a shit, mostly because Samuel L. Fucking Jackson, but still. Why can't it be they remade the Little Mermaid, but just happened to hire a black actress? They supposedly hired the best person for the job, they thought she was good and the casting director even said that he liked her singing voice and that's why they chose her. It's not hard leap to make that that is why she's the actress for this and not some "Oh they black washed a character for forced diversity's sake.", as well as a lot of racism.
@@seventeenseventythirteen7465 I am not black but im a writer and I'm gonna answer this because this is my opinion and many others. Little mermaid making Ariel black in many people's opinion is disney race baiting, Like velma is race baiting. it adds nothing to the story, conflict etc, but they made her black for brownie points. Kinda like how disney world+parks did all that pro lgbtq+ merch and food for pride month and took it immediately down after pride month was over. it's a blatant money grab and obvious they aren't making their characters diverse for the RIGHT reasons. It makes POC feel like an object/ token that companies like disney can just use to their advantage to get their viewers back with a crappy remake that has no soul or actual passion. Yes it's paying a black actress, but disney isn't going to outright say they hired that person for that that reason, they'd get back lash if they were being direct. Why are you hiring a black actress to play this role in your remake when you could just as easily and HAVE made diverse original movies that do not focus on the characters race, more so their culture and giving their culture representation. tldr: Imagine being used as a free money token over and over again VS actually having black characters and actors made+hired for an original kick ass story that has more substance and relevance then a remake of a movie that was made in the 80s...can ya see why that's a tad insulting?
You know what, I think we had given Scrappy a due of a lot of apology because for me, I actually didn't think of him as the worst character yet. I mean, there is something with a character that appeals to kids but after watching Velma, Scrappy had finally been rescued. I think. He's still annoying, though.
What really kills me is that this show _does_ have good ideas. Very few, but they're still _there._ Like Velma's hallucinations and her relationship with her mother, or the dynamic between her and Daphne, or hell even a few actually good jokes could have been made about Norville not being weed like the audience would have expected. There are all pretty need concepts (even if one of them is just joke) that I think would be really cool to see them executed well. Honestly, I wouldn't even mind the gang's personality changes if they weren't written as being insufferable (well, except for Norville/Shaggy). The way I see it, there are some scraps of wasted potential here. But no, instead we get this pile of shit.
Ngl im working on a shaggy manga atm and he keeps the roots of the original series but goes an entirely diffrent direction, a couple of friends reviewed and they all absolutely love with how I did it. Just saying If hbo max need a good adaption they have something ready on a golden plate
As a fan of Scooby Doo I loved the crossover with Supernatural the way the characters acted in relation to being told they were characters in a TV show was great. And it's relation as a show Sam and Dean watched as kids and can relate to was great. It has from what I can tell Velma doesn't it sees it's audience as people that grew up with the show and just incorporated more material that was less kid friendly.
If you want to watch a Scooby show that is mature, changes characters for the better while staying true to the source material, & stylish animation, watch Mystery Incorporated
Alpha Jay: "Representation cannot replace good storytelling." Me: "Unpopular opinion: You're absolutely right, AJ. We need an equilibrium of good diversity, good representation, and good storytelling in media and animation."
Exactly. Just because you have representation doesn’t mean you can be lazy with everything else. You gotta put effort in your storytelling and jokes and everything. Race swapping and representation is fine. Just don’t make that the only thing.
Representation is near untouched by storytelling, you having the most diverse cast in a show, at maximum, reveals that you care about representation and equality, but little to nothing about the story. Saying that representation affects storytelling is the same thing that say homosexuality is imoral or moral: it is neither, that is their live, doesn't affect you, why should you bother?
Wait... Is Velma a harem anime?!? The entire gang wants Velma or vise versa... I-is the reason why they didn't have Scooby Doo in the show because they couldn't make him a love interest in a socially acceptable way?
Ok but why does this version of "Velma" remind me so much of the 2016 version of Blossom. Both of the original versions of the character were smart, helpful, had leadership skills, but were still nice people. They could be sassy at times but they were never mean-spirited. The latest versions, however, are narcissistic, think they are smarter than everyone, have irritating voices, and feel superior to everyone else. They are just too insufferable to like.
For a second, I thought you were talking about and edgy adult version of PPG that I'd never heard of called Blossom and then I remembered the reboot exists lol
because that's what modern writers think smart characters are like and think jsut doing that is "funny" forgtting that most of the time characters like this were often antagosits and made to fail because of their arrogance.
Close Enough's creator also skirted the line of adult themes in a cartoon with Regluar Show but with Close Enough it was full adult themed. Also, one of the biggest insult to injuries is the VA of Fred's dad in Velma is the VA of Fred in the original cartoons of Scooby-Doo.
The show quickly brush over how Fred open up to Velma(who he forget who she was) about the abused by his father who put out cigars on him that even the viewer/critics seams to forget this when talking about this show.
@Alpha Jay Show I legit think it was brushed over because as the show made blatantly clear, Fred's a white guy. Literally every other character had a race swap to a minority group that exist in America except for Fred, why? To make him the white guy venting character
Honestly a mystery incorporated revival/clone probably would have done so much better. Imagine how awesome it would be for parents to have a show they can watch alongside their kids without worrying that they might be exposing their kids to something traumatic.
@@brandonlyon730ayoo what do you mean the animation was amazing those still images of food where beautiful. The fact that the music was sometimes louder than the characters was amazing. The dialogue was totally not cringe at all. And the fact that it looked like a Saturday morning cartoon on cartoon network textbook anime right there. Alright crunchyrol can I have my check now?
Velma didn’t tell Nervil for one reason and one reason only. She wants to use everyone from the crew’s feelings for her. Nervil is smart and Daphne can get her whatever she needs inside of the police station. They both like her, she knows that, but she doesn’t like them back. So instead of having that conversation with them she decides to lead them both on, instead. Notice how the second Daphne makes her feelings obvious, Velma creates the whole falling on top of Daphne scene, and it looks like she did it on purpose. She wants Fred to like her so she can use him to her advantage to. She probably wants to use him for his money. I can see her jumping around between all of them (having a on and off relationship With the 3) while constantly asking the 3 for stuff. I believe she killed her mom along with the girls but pinned it on Fred. I think she just wanted to see how much she was able to use Nervil’s and Daphne’s feelings for her to her advantage.
I feel like It's so hard to get a read on stuff like this because it's hard to pull apart what is genuine criticism or Disguised bigotry. (In general I mean, Alpha seems cool)
For sure, some people are just not gonna like some aspects of this show for misogynistic reasons, but I really did just try to speak about these characters as characters and not stand-in's for real-world applications.
That’s the issue with any media criticism these days it’s all about “owning the libs” or creating outrage by either babying POC into “I’m being so diverse” instead of acting like we’re normal human beings. It’s a one way swing of either treating minorities like dirt or putting them on a pedestal, we can’t just be treated like normal people even in fiction apparently. I don’t even like the look of this show, I think it looks stupid, but so much of the “criticism” is based upon the anti-woke crowd instead of actual story telling. The same thing with the terrible ghostbusters remake in 2016. I didn’t enjoy it not because it was “woke” I didn’t enjoy it because it was badly written and all the characters were stereotypes and unfunny.
That last bit, about the theme of pressure, is exactly what I think could be used as a great GREAT turning point for Velma if it can survive it’s…less than stellar beginning… I hope any future episodes can tackle that theme of pressure and focus on THAT rather than whatever it’s doing now!
Naw, Velma being raceswapped was already a red flag especially because the creator is Indian so it felt like a self-insert. Also, them raceswapping every character but Fred was also a red flag because we all know they did to make fun of straight white males
"What if Velma focused less on needless meta-commentary, raunchy scenes, sex and endless bickering between characters historically known to be friends?" At that point, based on what I've heard from friends and reviewers, you might as well say: "What if Velma got a nearly complete rewrite?" But I will say, your final point at the end about what themes they could go for would definitely be quite interesting to watch.
6:00 This is funny because it's true, most guys like a girl that simply do not like them back. And women tend to react this way. ITS NOT FUNNY BECAUSE ITS YOU! Thats the mantra of this show. It's basically a huge mirror showing all of the viewers flaws and everyone hates it. As a person who likes introspection and asking myself "why I do the things I do?" This show is super clever. Velma is the incel that judges people harshly so she can justify why she's alone. "Im alone cause everyone is so horrible" THATS THE JOKE The show is saying you have to take risk and get to know someone before judging and writing them off prematurely or else you'll be this weirdo loner. It's a mirror and most people don't like what they see when they look within themselves.
Not gonna lie, I'm actually impatient of the upcoming episodes of this show....if only because I wanna see how this show's hatred of its target audience goes
This is the best perspective I have seen as it doesn't focus solely on the bad yt guy jokes but on the overall narrative and how everyone from velma to Fred are terribly represented
I think the issue with raceswapping is that it is so often done to avoid having good writing and just co-opt fans from an already successful IP, and if you put in the effort and have good writing why warp an already existing character to fit your story rather than make one that fits in a more 'natural' way.
No, the issue with race-swapping is disgusting liberal corporations using minorities as nothing but a tool to boost their own image, treating black people as just a "trendy minority to profit off of." Liberal corporations are a cancer to everyone and yet they get praised by literally committing blatant racism. They lazily race-swapped velma as they don't have to put in any effort and still profit, which is what most liberal corporations will do, the bare minimum.
Maybe it's just me... but I think a reason people don't like when they change races it's because most of the time they are paired with a bad show/bad writing/bad experience.
What I find odd is that it's only ok when the characters are white but imagine if I race-swapped a well-established black character like the Proud family and made them white if be canceled so fast. When they changed Velma it was considered a nice change but if I race-swapped penny and her family is get called a racist.
it can also lead to it feeling disingenuine and forced and only for aesthetics, often their race being changed is only for level surface and shallow cliches or jsut to say they have diversity without having it add to the character or story. For example Fan4stic made Johnny Storm black....but NOT His sister, who remains white (because can't have the smart white lead fall in love with a black gal am I right?). THis COULDhave lead to something interesting like questions about why they're diferent races and how this affects their rleationship or their personal lives and such...but nope. Purely cosmetic. I'm not against idea of race swapping inherently, but only if its done well and with good intentions, rather than "well the showrunner is non-white so why not make the character she voices the same"
Also often it's just... cheap. You are getting an already established character instead of creating your own, often turning them into a horrible character, which goes to shpow that the reason they did it is because they are incapable of coming up ith character from scratch. Which is one part I will disagree with the video, if you wanna do representation, make original characters. Changing Shaggy to be that guy for example at least isn't that bad, because he's practically a completely different guy. Velma on the other hand is Velma but darker and also an asshole for some reason. Like sure, if you're making a fan-fic or fanart I don't give a shit how you draw/write the characters, but that's supposed to be somewhat official, yet it feels like a teen's fanfic.
Moral of the story - If you want to create entertainment based on your own identity, create your own content. Do not bastardize beloved franchises with millions of fans. Especially when the fanbase spreads over several decades!!! Thanks for the video!!!
the issue is not the race swapping but rather the creator's own projection onto the show, turning it into something like her other stories, which contain characters just like the velma depicted in this show. you're all looking over that aspect.
I really like it when any portray Velma as someone who is really smart but still tries to see the good in the world. That she knows that the world has horrible people in if but she also knows that there are good people in it as well. So in the end she hopes that good will win even if it's not likely. She had hope while being smart.
This show honestly feels like those toxic tumblr character "fixing" posts turned into a show with awful edgy drug headcanons, watering down characters they dislike the most until theyre unrecognizable for the sake of being edgy. Scooby isn't even here which is it's biggest sin but I think that's for the better
@@FatherOFCrimzon I will admit, in the beginning, TTG was decent, it at least had decent jokes, and it wasn't complete character assassination, but then it became popular and the writers started thinking they could do whatever they like
As abysmal as this show is, it's strangely inspirational. In that, you want to go out and create something, knowing that it'll probably be miles better than this.
Well, that iteration of Daphne certainly exists. And Velma certain is a "smart girl" of the "five man band" I can't say that archetype is well written. And they don't getting the title of the first series of the franchise *"Scooby* *Doo,* Were Are You!" is sad to say the least
ok i never thought these woulds would come out of my mouth, and im damn sure they wont ever be repeated but thank god for studio executives they usually do a lot of misguided or outright dumb crap but their decision to not include Scooby in this grabage heap is just brilliant he doesnt deserve that and neither do we
He is telling you to sympathize with an openly racist manipulative narcissist. Even if it leaned into that, that's not really gonna help. Especially when the character pretty much wanders around treating everyone like shit and questions why they get so much shit back from others.
Look, they are fun to watch but they are just like us a person who watches these cartoons and forms their own opinion it doesn't mean they know exactly what they're talking about it just means they're sharing their opinion form your own opinion about things.
I think I get it, or at least, I get what they are trying to do. This is supposed to be an origin story for the gang, so they are actively starting the characters at flawed points so that they can mold them into what they should become by the end of the season, the problem is the starting characters are so unlikable that we as an audience don't want to stay for the journey. Like, I swear, they are going to have Fred learn that "Hey Velma is smart and woman actually have value" and that magically coinciding with a pan shot to the fact Fred finally starts growing his big boy hair, with someone literally pointing it out and actually calling it "big boy hair". Also, that in the final episode when the gang is all together, the last line of the season will literally be something like " ... maybe we should get a dog" like ha ha it's supposed to be funny! (But it's not)
The end of this video is... actually some good arguments potentially in the show's favor. I don't have faith that the creators are at all interested in improving - if anything, I predict that they'll just double down on their weaknesses out of spite instead of playing to their strengths because that's how this pattern typically goes - but... the seeds of a good show are _there,_ but doomed, and that's pretty tragic.
The show feels more like a show about teenagers who happened to have the same names (most of them) as the Scooby Doo characters and just happened to look like them (for the most part) but not actually them.
Well Jay, I hope this encourages you to watch, and do episode reviews on either what's new Scooby Doo or better yet mystery Inc. rather than perpetuate the hate the show threw at the audience, it'd be nice to put something positive out there. Tl;Dr I hope you do mystery inc it's extremely underrated
3:44 I think rick and morty exemplifies that it’s not the expectation of cartoon sitcoms to not be self aware, but the pacing of it in relation to other types of jokes. We all know at least once per episode, though likely more often, there will be a lot of snarky self analyzing jokes, most often from rick. It doesn’t harm the show’s comedic flow because it’s spread between other kinds of jokes. It doesn’t go all in on variations on the exact same thing. It’s not the lack of expectation, but the lack of variety which makes it repetitive and boring
I know everyone is commenting on the show here, but props to you on the analysis. My gosh this was honestly amazingly written, and really like the introspective on to the "why" we feel a certain way. Bro that section on pressure was A+ stuff, thank you for the great vid 👏👏
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You know it's absolutely abysmal when the rest of the Voice Actors of the characters didn't come back for it.
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This isn’t Scooby-Doo, this is a terribly written self-inserted fan fiction where Mindy Kaling imagined the whole entire crew simping for her.
Lmaoo
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You know in all honesty if this show was some kind of Scooby Parody show with characters names changing like making Fred-Frank, Daphne-Stephanie, Velma-Venessa and Shaggy-Scruffy, and Scooby-Sheppard it would've worked a lot better.
They can make all the meta jokes they like, and not post tweets or interviews insulting fans. They could've made this trainwreck work for somebody
The two writers are from the Mindy Project, which says everything you need to know about this.
Nah it's like those y/n fanfics where everyone loves them
I still can't believe they made Velma the opposite of what her actual personality used to be. She was characterized as being a bit shy and socially awkward, especially around people she admired or felt intimidated by. Here, she obnoxiously proclaims to each character that they are shallow and dumber than her right to their face. It's not charming or done in a clever way, it's annoying and ironically lacks self-awareness.
Apparently it’s working
@@TheAlphaJayShow At least for the executives at HBO-Max.
did the same with norville not shaggy as actual shaggy was never a super judgemental or sanctimonious person despite being a proud hippie.
while this norville is super judgemental of people for doing something only on par with alchol which his friends and love itrest both drink.
Apparently Velma sorta had that attitude in mystery Inc too? (I’m just going off what the video said, I never watched the show for myself.) but the difference there was that those traits from Velma were portrayed as flaws, while this show seems like it’s glorifying them so far.
@@train4292 she sorta had that attitude only around the things that interested her. There are a couple episodes that jump to mind but overall her haughtiness would stem from having domain expertise (like the episode about the medieval reenactment carnival) but even then the story arc would end with her understanding the other side's point of view
OG Velma: Amazing detective and incredibly smart
V.Velma: Basically, a twitter user.
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HBO's Velma is basically "Twitter: The Series" or "Twitter's Wet Dream"
Velma is a good example of what not to do when writing a tv show
Yes that and The Loud House franchise entirely as well.
Precisely
@@juliancar5700 the loud house it better than this
@@TheAlphaJayShow Are you ever going to review the terrible IRL spinoff The Really Loud House ? If you thought the live action movie was bad , this isn't any better.
There's evil in the show writing. The characters are basically all malicious.
The worst part is, when the show flops the writers will just blame the fans again
These shows are made to flop time and time again while still reaching the minds of todays youth and influencing their view on the world. Only a matter of time before shows like these are widely accepted by the audience who grew up on this and every other predictable flop of a show put out.
That's the secret. Make giant obvious flaws which you know will piss certain people off. Then you can blame them for being pissed of.
I think the worst part is that this show added absolutely nothing of value to anyone's life and people still made bank with it.
This show isn’t made to entertain or to make money, it’s a form of Social Engineering.
3:05
Why is everyone getting inspired by my character design?
Honestly, Scooby not being in the show is a mercy. I don't think we'd be able to handle them bastardizing Scooby like they bastardized the other characters.
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Scooby and shaggy died before they could be turned woke. They knew what was coming
shaggy is also scooby thats why they made him poo colored like scooby doot
Im positive if they put scooby in the show they would have made him gay and made that his whole personality.
@@ah8893 Nothing about this shit show is "woke," and you're likely going to have trouble with finding any progressives that like/support it. And please stop flinging that word around without actually understanding what it means or its significance - this isn't some recent slang, it's been a part of AAVE since the 1920s for a reason (the time period should be an obvious clue).
The worst part about this whole thing is that shows like "Infinity Train" and "Close Enough" were out on the chopping block like they were nothing, but they still decided to keep Velma around. As if it had a special, unreachable quality that none of the other cancelled shows had.
Crazy
You know what it had they didn't? An R rating.
Because the industry still lives in the 90s in terms of animation
yeah it does have a quality those shows didnt
it sucks harder than a black hole that only sucks vacuum cleaners
Because those shows weren’t made for adults the same way this show was.
Oof
As a Black man myself I think instead of changing existing characters change race and claim them to look "better in that race" they should create their own Show like a black people sitcom Kind of like boondocks if you know what I mean
Exactly
I agree. I can't speak for other races but a lot of black people don't want sloppy seconds. We want original characters who happen to be black
velma doesn't even look good in that skin color. when you change the skin color of a character, you change how they look in their clothes.
That’s a fair point.
Yeah I agree with you.
I've never watched this show, but that clip of Velma laughing at Norville as he pours his heart out to her genuinely hurt me. I felt horrible for him. Did anyone actually genuinely laugh at that?
First time I seen it too, man. Felt real bad for Norville-did not laugh once.
I felt that too. It pissed me off so badly.
I personally think since Mindy is such a radical femin@zi, that this is her way of saying "the friendzone doesn't exist". This Mindy. This is the friendzone. being laughed at in your face from the person you love for having feelings for them instead of being let down smoothly and with compassion.
a little bit but only because it's on the list of alternate ways to respond to "i love you"
Yeah, dude definitely. That was absolutely horrible 😢
they could've had scooby in the show, they could've just made him a normal dog that doesn't talk and then have him be the "smart pet that helps in only the way a pet can" sort of role
They could’ve done a lot
Or maybe have him as shaggy emotional support dog
@@lilylove925 i think having scooby as a dog that can't talk is the best way they could integrate him in, even if he's just a side character, he still needs to be in it
Never understood why they thought Scooby being in the show would be too juvenile when Brian Griffin exists... Wait... Nevermind... We don't need another Brian Griffin
@@TheAlphaJayShow I considered what if they made Scooby a normal dog to everyone else, but to shaggy he (from his (POV) he was a talking dog. To help keep him grounded, and the dog was genuinely smart as well.
If you want a show about a jaded teenage girl: Watch Daria.
If you want an edgy show about a teenage girl solving mysteries: Watch Wednesday
This show really tires to be both and fails.
Daria is my favorite cartoon ever
@@luminousdoll I literally just finished watching it. Daria was way before her time and i love it
And if you want the best Scooby Doo had to offer: Watch Mystery Incorporated
If you want a darker Scooby Doo reboot: Read Scooby Apocalypse
Imagine this being a story of how Velma pulled together 3 different types of cliques who didn't like eachother and brought out the best in them
That would never happen, because that would actually be good
I would of liked that
That sounds not to dissimilar from The Breakfast Club, and now you've got me really intrigued for a concept like that.
I feel making Norville really anti drugs is them realising that they made the "the drug guy" black so it was a way for them to overcorrect and try and avoid jokes and accusations of them being racist
I agree
Yeah it's disgustingly unapologetic about it as well, I stg this show almost males a mockery of the racial groups it's trying to represent.
its jsut such a boring direction. its jsut the same joke being repeated ad neaseum which don't work because, gasp, shaggy nevr actually did drugs cause he was a kids cartoon character and it was a stupid fandom joke. They're making joeks about a character trait that NEVER ACTUALLY EXISTED.
That's ironic sense I'm assuming they kept Fred straight, white and male so they could specifically make him the racist & privilaged one. I guess racial stereotypes only matter to them when the person isn't a straight, white male and I'm saying this a black male.
But it makes the character suck
Mystery Incorporated deserves more attention. When I first watched it I was blown away by how it stayed true to the characters and formula of Scooby-Doo while telling a complex, thrilling, and emotional overarching narrative. It was more "adult" than this could ever hope to be.
If I can find the time, I would be open to it
Honestly, the only thing I didn't like about Mystery Incorporated was its depiction of Fred. He was too trap-obsessed and too dense at times to notice Daphne's affections. My favorite portrayal is his original, competent portrayal from the original Scooby-Doo, Where Are You?
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I just learned today that Mitch Watson, a force behind "SD:MI", said that that show's Fred was on the Autism Spectrum.
@@F0re5tMan yes Fred’s trap heavy focus was a bit too much but at the same time it was a great highlight that added more to him
@@F0re5tMan you mean the portrayal where his whole character revolved around the lines "looks like we got a mystery on our hands" and "lets split up and look for clues"?
im kidding...mostly, but i do agree they could have done a little bit more with him in mystery inc, like maybe played more into his relationship with his dad, since his dad was like the mayor if i recall
Mindy is the sole definition of the word "Privilege" itself. She grew up in a upper class, went to an ivy league college & never had to struggle in her life to get where she's today now. She made Velma herself insert but this version of Fred is actually HER.
@fatemakhan3843 Good point! So then therefore Mindy is White!
Why'd they make Fred a racist narcissist? He was the trap loving himbo!!! THIS IS SLANDER!!!
I can’t accept the character assassination of Fred. He’s supposed to be the golden retriever of humans.
It is slander lol
Yeah, Fred is a stupidly good paragon in the best iterations and a very nice dude in the more mediocres.
I don't why they made Fred "that guy" when he Never was like that, even back in the original Scooby Doo during the 70s Fred wasn't discriminate.
@@FatherOFCrimzon to be fair, 70's Scooby doesn't have much of a character development outside Scooby and Shaggy, however even if had, surely he wouldn't be that type of guy.
The Golden Retreiver of Humans? I didn't know that Brett Hand had a brother who wasn't an asshole.
Who doesn't love aggressively edgy and "mature" versions of beloved characters that share nothing with the originals complaining to each other.
I **totally** wish to watch entertainment that is basically just complaining about the real world
I *"totally"* want a new season to watch this entertaining idea. Who was this genius?
Because everyone* has friendships that argue with each other about how the world is bad and how they’re not friends.
Just like you fellow kids* do.
@@daelen.cclark Even The Gang from "It's Always Sunny," easily the apotheosis of the "best friends who are awful people and hate each other" trope, still care for each other deep down amd are willing to help one another in whatever scheme or scrape they've gotten themself into. There are genuine moments of heart, like Frank tearing up at Mac's dance routine in "Mac Finds His Pride" or Charlie's animated fantasy about saving the day and having a family with The Waitress when the convenience store is getting robbed. It's not just "Everything sucks, I hate everything, fuck you for watching."
If you ever feel like you’ll never make it as a show writer, remember that this exists
I will definitely use this show as a study on how to NOT write my semi-autobiograpgical OC urban fantasy long graphic novel. ...don't be like Velma. Don't be like Velma. 😆
not really, after all... they'll keep cancelling all the animations that has great plots.... more like if you want to make it as a show writer easily, remember to write the same as this sh*t
@Jester Carreon based and unfortunately good advice. Just check boxes and you’re good.
That just means you're a better writer, not that your story will survive... Mindy is rich, that's why she was able to safe her show from the cencellation wave.
is it bad that i love how much the whole internet and collective social consciousness completely said no to this show, its characters, its concept, and the execution. All of the stuff in the show is basically mindy kaling's OC that she called velma and decided to just not be funny while doing it. its just nice to see that everyone is repulsed by this show instead of an imbalance between like and hate
Exactly, like, we can all finally agree on something :)
@@quanashiab.9620 yea I guess hate brings harmony in the internet lol this show was the avatar of bad shows it united us against it. I can only imagine what it's like being Mindy kaling and seeing your show unanimously hated so much on both sides. Hell I keep seeing south Asian women hate this show so much because of how Mindy is obsessed with white men and making South Asian women look like insecure messes who have to change themselves to be accepted
I agree, it feels nice to be united against a common enemy for once instead of standing on top of a rift that threatens to swallow all sides like with everything else in the last decade.
i just feel like the Scooby-Doo franchise (except this show ofc) exists in this kind of universal acceptance bubble. i don't think i've ever met or even known anyone who had anything bad to say about the concept. sure some iterations were less popular than others, but i can't really think of anyone who disliked the gang in their original forms
Velma, the show, basically tried to "fix" something that the entire world considered to be "not broken",and it shows
@@zilesis1 oh most definitely the case I agree whole heartedly. They thought they could do better and they failed at it. Everyone says it sucks and the reasons why are so insurmountable you can't even name them all in one video. Or comment lol
Mystery Incorporated had mature themes but were handled BETTER than Velma did. While it kept the "monster of the day" formula Scooby Doo is known for, it also added a narrative where the mysteries serve as puzzle pieces to a storyline centered around past events of Crystal Cove and the Mystery Inc, along with other characters develop from these experiences. For example, the mystery behind the original Mystery Gang, Fred's desire to find the truth about his birth parents, Shaggy's relationship with Velma and Scooby, etc.
hell the mystery was actually intriguing and interesting, meanwhile this series has a simpler murder mystery plot that isn't as interesting and so far has been spent with the main cast bumbling around because velma thinks fred did it.
And they did to a point that the whole familily could watch together, the kinda shows that age well
I didn;t like what they did to Velma there either. Especially since Scooby's reaction made no sense. In almost all the other series he loved Velma almost as much as Shaggy! If Shaggy and Velma got together I always thought Scooby would be thrilled and pressuring them to marry so Velma could be his owner too!
They did meta comentary and such better too- Mystery Incorporated both plays straight and lampoons the whole basis of Scooby do, the fact that EVERY CRIMINAL tries to scare people away by pretending to be a monster. I mean it makes sense in the context of discouraging witnesses while simultaneously making them less credible, but it being the idea EVERY criminal came up with is weird when you think about it, and Mystery incorporated had so much fun with that idea. It was part of the larger mystery, plenty of the individual monsters and criminals had their weird justifications for the ruse, and they had so many running gags with it, mainly how Everyone seemed to completely buy that they were real until the gang proved otherwise. Heck even members of the gang treated the monsters like they were real- Velma meets a mermaid in her bath tub and treats her like the real thing and a reliable witness (she explicitly doned the costume in order to inform on criminals dressing like bipedal fish people) and Everyone treated an Orc biker gang as the real thing when they were obviously people in costume (it wasn't even a crime thing, there was one of them that was commiting crime, but the overall group were just bikers that like dressing up as orcs to further distance themselves from their nerdy normal lives).
Mystery incorporated played everything about Scooby do to the hilt, and played it all for laughs the whole time, good naturedly.
Ehhhh I didn't like what Incorporated did with their characters either. Daphne became desperate to a cringe level, they dumbed Fred down TEN fold and made him irrationally obsessive, they botched Velma and they did a REALLY weird thing with scooby and Shaggy. I don't understand all the hype inc gets. Just because it's different doesn't make it better. I WILL say it's better than Velma.
It's like the writer wanted to make a fanfic where people actually like her, which is really sad, but watching the show makes you understand why people wouldn't.
I want to know what mindy kaling had to do to become famous because she’ll pretty godawful. I have never watched anything she’s in so I couldn’t even tell you.
@@sonialinsey8083 her parents have connetions in Hollywood, that's why
@@sonialinsey8083 nepotism
Don't insult fanfiction like that.
Excuse me. Fanfiction is way better than.. whatever this is. Don't disrespect fanfiction like that
My personal way to make scooby work in an adult setting is to have him not talk but change shaggy to being either a veterinarian or an aspiring vet that has studied dogs to the point where he understands their mannerisms to a point it feels like he can talk to dogs.
That’d be amazing
Check out scooby doo apocalypse it has what your discribing
@@defrozendonut8715 I've heard of apocalypse but know nothing about it
@@Deepseashark it’s a pretty good comic I highly recomend
Shaggy is kinda a stoner hippie. Maybe have it so Scooby isn't actually talking. Shaggy is just high. XD
Its fine to hate scooby doo, but to somehow get hired, write and produce a show about scooby doo hating on scooby doo fans is somethting else entirely. Scooby doo is one of those shows that every generstion has grown up with and completely destroying it would always result in an internet backlash.
Always
That’s pretty much how every reboot now lol
@@Dave102693 Well this isn’t really a reboot this is Mindy Kaling’s cringey self insert telling her own cringey story creation that uses the Scooby Gang as a base for views. New Scooby-Doo content is created every year so I’m sure we’ll see the originals back in some new Movie,show,game, etc sometime within this year.
@@ElectricalFlare7201 I know, but this technically counts as a reboot despite all of that.
It’s actually not fine to hate Scooby doo in any capacity. Something is wrong with you if so
The reason why people are so against "race swapping" is beyond the race itself, it's because about 99% of the time it points to the writers priorities and mindset, which usually easily predictably bad.
The only time when "representation" is done right is when the charecter is written well and just happens to be in the "representation" group, when the character's "representation" is front and centered it always end bad, because instead of being a charecter they become a vehicle for "representation"
So TLDR it is transparently obvious that the writers priorities are in the wrong place when that happens.
This applies to race, gender, sexuality, or any other surface level trait or minority. In Mystery Incorporated, Velma was White, Straight, and yet those weren't her defining traits. She had so much more going for her, and we the fans, loved it. In her new incarnation, her defining traits are those surface level identifiers, and it's done for the sake of representation of those traits. They did the same thing for all the characters, just hyper defining surface level stereotypes for representation, instead of expanding on what made the original characters so good.
@@portwise23 exactly my point, you're completely right, they use those surfaces level traits as a substitute for actual charecter, "representation" should come in naturally and not forced and not as a the focal point of the charecter replacing actual charecter.
@@portwise23 They make Velma really bitchy in Mystery Inc, and I didn;t like it.
@@colleen4ever But tell me, she's at least more likable there than in her new show.
On god I feel like im the only non-white that fucking hates race swapping. I just want characters to look right. It's not hard at all I dont give a shit about representation. I dont give a shit about my race. I'm just a person.
When your first instinct in making an adult installment to a children's franchise is to exclude its most identifiable character because "it's too childish", that just makes me think the writers aren't creative or imaginative enough to make it work.
That’s a 💎
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I mean Supernatural did a more mature version and brought in the title character. But the actors and writers of Supernatural had respect for the characters and the show it’s parodies.
It was funny and each character got to shine like for example when Fred says they could’ve been fighting real monsters. Lmao 🤣 Or when Shaggy & Scobby got their “I told you their was real monsters” moment while Daphne and Velma talked about how hot Dean and Sam were and how Velma wanted to jump Sam. 😂
@@RyrienaHoustonBorn Exactly. They made it work.
To be honest, I'm glad the writers didn't even dare to bring Scooby-Doo into this abomination of a show, I wouldn't have been able to witness how they massacred our boi as well.
Yeah it looks great in hindsight
But still, how could you create a Scooby Doo spin off and not include SCOOBY frickin DOO. It's like creating a Naruto reboot and not including Naruto.
@@FatherOFCrimzon yeah, Boruto's dad is important
@@eduardopantoja9115 You just had to say it, didn't you.
@Will N This is a better concept and script than Velma. They could've made a seriously toned Show like Mystery Inc or this but decided to make it more of a meta "comedy" that uses outdated archetypes that haven't been relevant since the late 2000s and completely Fucking over a major character just because they need a "Ignorant, racist white boy" because apparently that needs to be relevant for the show.
I really agree on your last point, since I thought it would've been amazing to have a series showing how all the members of of the gang didn't fit in with the world around them and how they all kinda found each other and are pals because of that and their shared love of mysteries. Kind of like found family in a way.
isn't that the plot to Scooby-Doo! The Mystery Begins movie.
Imagine they did a more mature continuation to Mystery Inc?? Or a show like that. Seriously, that series was fantastic.
That’s too easy
/j
At this point, the people in the comment section should be writers for HBO.
@@FatherOFCrimzon they are greatly proving that we really couldnt do any worse
To be fair a more mature Mystery inc would just be M.I. but with swear words and on screen deaths, since the show already was pretty mature, i would have said turn down the childish jokes but...this ADULT show has even more childish jokes
This is sad and as a black man I feel that the story is more important than having characters of color with no substance. It makes me sad because I feel that shows that I love growing up will be remade and it won’t be good because they just want to have people of all walks of life be it different races or sexualities just to show them on TV but not try to make it good just to be accepted
Luckily there’s a lot of banger shows and movies with people of color out there
Bad writing with minorities does even reinforce prejudice, since is more one example for the claim "diversity made midia worse."
and its weird cause its mostly kids shows
maybe i was weird but when i was a kid i dint even care what skin color the characters were
like i watched static shock as a kid, i didnt see it as a "black superhero show" i just saw it as a "cool superhero show" to my kid brain it really made no difference
@@mrroboshadow Exactly, I watched Static Shock as a kid too, and while I was of course aware that the main character and superhero was black, I never thought of it as a “black superhero show” either, like you I just thought of it as a “cool superhero show”, where the main character and superhero just so happened to be black. I don’t think that it’s weird of us, I think that’s how you want your audience to respond, appreciating a good show with good representation, and NOT hyper focusing on the representation or allowing it to define the show, because the point of representation is to normalize what is represented, not put it up on a pedestal.
Well in this instance I don’t think representation was their main goal. It’s basically just the Mindy Kaling show. Seems she only used the Scooby gang as a base to get more eyes on her show(as she knew no one would watch it as an original show of it’s own). Its her own cringey story creation with the Scooby gang being slapped on it for marketing basically.
daphne was a lot more in the original series. she always had a good head for getting the gang out of sticky situations, and she knew how to operate tools pretty well.
When the world needed him most, Frank Welker will always be involved in any Scooby-Doo film or show, even if it's a parody clip or scene, Frank will reprise his role voicing Scooby, Fred, and any other character in the franchise. Frank Welker is irreplaceable. Frank Welker is HIM.
The heart and soul
Hey you can't forget about Matthew Lillard that man has voiced shaggy in pretty much everything after the movies.
When Shaggy looks like a Fortnite skin I don’t really need any detective work done
He actually reminds me of that Jamaican guy from Overwatch. I forgot his name but he's the one with the dreadlocks!
He looks like low tier god
@@ShadyRK9 baptise!! Love that guy but can’t say the same about shaggy lol
@@ShadyRK9 Jamaican ?!? lol
@@GxcciSlxders yeah him! And agreed. This Shaggy is like a water down version!
As a person growing up watching Scooby-Doo, this is a slap to the face of fans like myself.
Velma-smart,sassy and proud
Shaggy- fun loving where his emotions on his sleeves
Dalphne-greatest emotional support she help her team with anything despite how idiotic it is
Fred: he strong will know how to lead others
That’s what it was
I also remember Daphne being good at karate in later movies. I wonder if they'll take that away from her
@@Twinklethefox9022 I hope so and not for it to be stereotypical thing in the new show
Shaggy was a good character because he was easygoing but as you said wears his heart on his sleeve AND he knows what he wants!... A perfect man
Real talk: giving characters in ANY adult cartoon a relatively wholesome personality and NOT having it be portrayed as stupid or naive would pretty much instantly make the thing unique in a landscape of awful people being awful to eachother.
I find it funny how writers think the only way to make a cartoon more adult is by adding blood and gore, showing sexual imagery, and having characters swear like sailors nonstop as if that substitutes for a good story…
Invincible did the “cartoon for adults” idea very well. It draws you in like it’s another Justice league clone, and just when you think it’s going to be another generic superhero story, you get the horrifying bloodbath that is the end of the first episode, perfectly setting the tension, tone, and mystery for the rest of the series. Meanwhile, the series shows us the weight and consequence of the violence instead of it being just for show, knows how to use pervasive language sparingly, and is at its core about a son trying to find his place in life while unraveling the mystery around his father’s origins and even intentions, with a bunch of fun and interesting side characters (except Amber. Fuck Amber). Is it perfect? Not 100%, but it respects the source while showing you don’t need to resort to tasteless tactics to tell a compelling adult cartoon story.
Nicely put
Absolutely! Arcane was adult without needing to wear it like a badge.
@@TheAlphaJayShow As was primal, easily one of the more adult shows I’ve seen with how nothing is said and everything is felt
And then there's stuff like Purno de Purno which takes the more lax standards of Dutch childrens' television to make a cartoon that CAN be considered adult anywhere else & can be liked for its incredibly wild mind screw plots of sheer madness that tends to not rely on crappy shmex jokes, gore, or swearing.
I don't understand how it's so hard for Hollywood and some writers to understand that all maturity really is in a show is depth. The more compelling something is the more it's bound to attract a mature audience. Surface level taboos can't compensate for that
I can't believe that we've come to a time where Scrappy-Doo with his puppy power feels like like a blessing compared to this show...
I liked Mystery Inc's Fred. He was obsessed with traps and was a certified dumbass (affectionate). I've only even seen a few episodes, but I loved what I saw of his character there!
His obsession with traps and him constantly missing/misunderstanding social cues in Mystery, Inc has read as very autistic to me.
Whilst sometimes it seems like his only character trait is "likes traps", I almost kinda like that sometimes. Because I, an autistic, relate to it a lot. When we develop a special interest, it can be pretty damn intense sometimes lol. And ho boy, when we get really excited? Be ready to have your ear talked off about them.
For Fred, it's traps. For me, it's cooking/baking and farming rpg video games.
in my opinion they should of never canceled the show idc if they needed to make 2 different separate Scooby-Doo shows that series was perfect,the story wasn't boring it really caught me in it's trap, and I never though the series would do that
Same, I was kinda getting those autistic vibes too, but I thought it could just be me projecting. Also since you mentioned liking farmer rpgs, have you ever played Stardew Valley? It’s a great one
Fr they I loved that show so much and I agree with how he acted it possible that he could have been autistic
And another good thing to like about Mystery Inc’s Fred is that he’s voiced by his va from the original scooby doo cartoon from the 1960’s
I always adored mystery inc Fred, and just recently I learned he was autistic coded, which honestly, only made me more disappointed with this Fred!
I wish it leaned into the hallucinations/panic attacks angle more and why she gets them. Like the hallucinations are so surreal and fluidly animated, and this could have been an interesting exploration of anxiety and mental health while also still leaning into the mystery solving.
more effort have been put in the hallucination sequences than anything else in this show.
If you ask me, I think Buzz Lightyear said it best
“You are a sad, strange little show, and you have my pity”
That angle of "Facing Pressure" could have worked so well, to the point you wouldn't have to twick those interraction of characters that much.
Velma > Pressure of knowing she was abandonned and to search why, that idea of "not being good enough".
Daphne > Pressure of having to be "The Perfect schoolgirl" while also maintening her business, showing she's searching for a way to indentify herself not by just her parents.
Norville > Pressure of living an unreciprocated love and doubting his "appeal", not by the whole Beta Male angle, but in the fact he accepts that he's not loved back and move along with life.
Fred > Pressure of both being socially inepte because he's the Rich Kid with a "problematic education", but also socially Rejected because he's the "White Rich Kid" and he wants to separate himself from that picture.
There. Just make them all Kids with Anxiety who counts on each others to fight their own issues and help others solves their, all while on going on an overall arc of Mystery solving, boom.
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Agreed, it really has the pottential to do that but it seems like they had other plans...
In other words, they should've taken notes from Persona 4
I would honestly be more excited by the show if they went for this angle of everyone dealing with this pressure in their lives while solving the mysteries of their town! It’s solid writing and shows that the writers know what they’re doing!
@@el-karasu6070 see Persona 4 had writers who enjoyed the source material, Velma has writers who hate it apparently
You know how to make Scooby work in this universe. Have him be a therapy dog, who doesn’t have to talk but whose actions doing his job makes him feel like he is and has a all his own character. And the “food association” with Scooby could be him during “off time”, eating enough to keep up with the craziness of the gang.
Scooby would be better of not existing in this show imo.
That would work if the writers were willing to put in the work. Scooby deserves it!
I just though since it's supposed tell the story of how they became who they are scooby just wasn't there yet
they managed to make everyone hate one of the most iconic characters of all time good job modern American cartoons
I think when people write these types of characters they try to imitate Daria but they can never seem to capture her charm
That’s why this show sucks? Because they suck in understanding why Daria is an amazing show.
because daria is ractionary and snarky, not confrontational and mean.
Daria showed vulnerability too and got called out at times for her attitude too.
the fact that they’re all meant to be, like, 15 and getting into all these situations involving drugs and sex (even with Fred’s “tiny duck” being some kind of essential fact about his character) really rubs me the wrong way. I’m not saying that teenagers in real life as old as these characters HAVEN’T gotten into these situations, but it’s also not really something that should be normalized - they’re minors, and the fact that a bunch of adults are like “haha watch all these young teenagers get into WACKY ADULT SITUATIONS involving SEX and ALCOHOL and DRUGS” just feels uncomfortable.
That’s a good point
Yeah it actually gives me Boku No Pico/Gen Zed vibes.
Yeah, like: this is a bunch of crimes of incapable abandon and even if is trying to be realistic, showing that thing because happens, you should frame this as harmful behavior, at least.
@@iantino Exactly
Yeah they could’ve definitely made college the setting instead, I don’t know why some show writers are obsessed with making raunchy high school dramas
Honestly, so far the one good thing I've seen in this show is Velma's missing mom backstory and her anxiety/panic attacks, it's a really interesting idea of having one of the mystery gang try to solve a mystery in their youth which indirectly lead to a mysterious tragedy, so they don't do mystery solving until a mystery inevitably finds them and they become determined to solve the new mystery as well as finding the truth about the past tragedy, all while dealing with anxiety and fear of mystery solving due to the tragedy that they feel is their fault, but the show completely missed that golden opportunity by focusing on it's meta humor and raunchiness with characters who are such complete jerks that I honestly would rather see them get killed off then solve the mystery
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That first point is very true, representation shouldn’t be a replacement for good storytelling.
And it's usually used as a shield to avoid criticism.
And representation shouldn't be bad stereotypes.
I like to bring out the point AlphaJay made that changing the character's skin and/or sex doesn't make the character terrible, but skills in the writers' on how to tell a story. And to my surprise, this has worked before. Such as Nick Fury from Marvel where in the comics he was white but they changed him to black in some cartoons and movies. It is just nowadays that when we see a character race swapped our minds point to it going to be a bad show. That's due because of writers not knowing how to write a good story or even a good joke.
Appreciate it
Yeah and AFAIK they only seem to hire the worst writers/storyboarders/artists these days & tend to not have the working capacity to find the good ones on the internet.
It also got to do with the hypocrisy as well. Notice how people are okay when they make a white person non-white such as black and call people racist if they don't like the change, yet they lose their minds when they make a non-white character white and will call anyone racist if they like the change.
I do agree.
In many cases does race and or gender swapping a character seem like a red flag because of how often in the recent past this was a sign that pushing some kind of message was taken priority towards making a good product leading to absolutely abysmal results.
I disagree. I still think it's a bad idea. If they really want to do that, they should just make a new character like what they did with miles.
Race-swaping Velma and Shaggy to make them have more social pressures could be amazing like the fact that Asian descendents (Indians, Chinese and other from those partes) have to be intelligent because of the stereotypical idea and not only because she is truly smart leading to her sometimes acting holier than thou to mask the moments she doesn't know the answer or is out smarted by someone how should be less smart and Shaggy having a thing with drugs because of those stereotypes or a drug addict in his family leading him to have high levels of anxiety and/or depression because of it leading him to eat a lot but then whe discover that binging in food too much to the point of eating this he should not be(like scooby snacks) is making him sick and to take care of himself and not feel alone he could find Scooby a dog that was genetically modified to eat like humans and also talk that would be terminate since he was a "failed project" Shaggy could make him his service dog that would eat a big half of his food and help in mental breakdown moments and in very hard food binges.....WHY THE HELL THEY DIDN'T THINK ABOU ALL OF THAT???
Being black (although I'm bi-racial, but whatever), the best representation is getting awesome characters that are black. Whether they're portrayed as badass, successful, caring or wholesome. That's representation. Not slapping brown paint on already existing, previously white characters.
Same thing with the little mermaid, instead of remaking it with different actors, why not just make a new classic, that happens to have black characters.
I might be repeating things said in the comments already, but eh
What's ironic is that The Little Mermaid the Series had a special episode where a character was based on a mute fan of the franchise. Who was a black girl.
@@donutbevil9669 hmm
I get ur point and I used to agree with you on "no point in making the little mermaid black". But now I think they chose the best looking actor for the role. When it comes to actors, I think it's a lot different. So long as you can play the role well, it doesn't matter. Halle Bailey (the actor for the little mermaid movie) is gorgeous in an ethereal/mystical way, which to me is very fitting for a mermaid. She also has a beautiful voice fit for the mystical nature of a mermaid, too.
I don't get the Little Mermaid hate. They just hired an actor who was black, how is that bad? They did the same for Nick Fury and no one gave a shit, mostly because Samuel L. Fucking Jackson, but still.
Why can't it be they remade the Little Mermaid, but just happened to hire a black actress? They supposedly hired the best person for the job, they thought she was good and the casting director even said that he liked her singing voice and that's why they chose her.
It's not hard leap to make that that is why she's the actress for this and not some "Oh they black washed a character for forced diversity's sake.", as well as a lot of racism.
@@seventeenseventythirteen7465 I am not black but im a writer and I'm gonna answer this because this is my opinion and many others.
Little mermaid making Ariel black in many people's opinion is disney race baiting, Like velma is race baiting. it adds nothing to the story, conflict etc, but they made her black for brownie points.
Kinda like how disney world+parks did all that pro lgbtq+ merch and food for pride month and took it immediately down after pride month was over. it's a blatant money grab and obvious they aren't making their characters diverse for the RIGHT reasons.
It makes POC feel like an object/ token that companies like disney can just use to their advantage to get their viewers back with a crappy remake that has no soul or actual passion. Yes it's paying a black actress, but disney isn't going to outright say they hired that person for that that reason, they'd get back lash if they were being direct. Why are you hiring a black actress to play this role in your remake when you could just as easily and HAVE made diverse original movies that do not focus on the characters race, more so their culture and giving their culture representation.
tldr: Imagine being used as a free money token over and over again VS actually having black characters and actors made+hired for an original kick ass story that has more substance and relevance then a remake of a movie that was made in the 80s...can ya see why that's a tad insulting?
Honestly I feel Scrappy is owed big apology.
Watch the Scooby Shaggy movies. He actually works in those
You know what, I think we had given Scrappy a due of a lot of apology because for me, I actually didn't think of him as the worst character yet.
I mean, there is something with a character that appeals to kids but after watching Velma, Scrappy had finally been rescued.
I think.
He's still annoying, though.
What really kills me is that this show _does_ have good ideas. Very few, but they're still _there._ Like Velma's hallucinations and her relationship with her mother, or the dynamic between her and Daphne, or hell even a few actually good jokes could have been made about Norville not being weed like the audience would have expected. There are all pretty need concepts (even if one of them is just joke) that I think would be really cool to see them executed well. Honestly, I wouldn't even mind the gang's personality changes if they weren't written as being insufferable (well, except for Norville/Shaggy). The way I see it, there are some scraps of wasted potential here. But no, instead we get this pile of shit.
every single scooby doo adaptation that came before that was considered the worst doesn't even compare to this one
Velma really outdid herself
Show is barely even out and already I long for the good old days of scrappy Doo and flimflam
Ngl im working on a shaggy manga atm and he keeps the roots of the original series but goes an entirely diffrent direction, a couple of friends reviewed and they all absolutely love with how I did it. Just saying If hbo max need a good adaption they have something ready on a golden plate
@@EeveeShadowBacon least scrappy was funny
@@SARDBoi Make UI shaggy canon, PLEASE
Non-canon Velma:
" I hate you all ! '
Also non-canon Velma:
" 😭 Y U NO LOVE ME ! ? "
Honestly she deserves to be alone at all 😏
LOL the voice acting doesn't even match the emotion presented in the animation.
As a fan of Scooby Doo I loved the crossover with Supernatural the way the characters acted in relation to being told they were characters in a TV show was great. And it's relation as a show Sam and Dean watched as kids and can relate to was great. It has from what I can tell Velma doesn't it sees it's audience as people that grew up with the show and just incorporated more material that was less kid friendly.
If you want to watch a Scooby show that is mature, changes characters for the better while staying true to the source material, & stylish animation, watch Mystery Incorporated
I’ll keep that in mind lol
Did that show get cancelled or rushed at the end?
@@Twinklethefox9022 yeah the ending was a bit crap but the show is a masterpiece
That was a good one.
it also has better jokes
"would've gotten away with it if it weren't my meddling....BROTHER!" "HOW DARE YOU!"
Alpha Jay: "Representation cannot replace good storytelling."
Me: "Unpopular opinion: You're absolutely right, AJ. We need an equilibrium of good diversity, good representation, and good storytelling in media and animation."
Exactly. Just because you have representation doesn’t mean you can be lazy with everything else. You gotta put effort in your storytelling and jokes and everything. Race swapping and representation is fine. Just don’t make that the only thing.
Fully replace*
I’ve seen shows with above average writing that just catered to a specific demographic do incredibly well.
Correct, you can achieve all of that without having to race swap. I don't know why the writers didn't realize that.
@@fritzy8318 race swapping isn't fine it's an insult
Representation is near untouched by storytelling, you having the most diverse cast in a show, at maximum, reveals that you care about representation and equality, but little to nothing about the story.
Saying that representation affects storytelling is the same thing that say homosexuality is imoral or moral: it is neither, that is their live, doesn't affect you, why should you bother?
9:30, ah yes nudity in the show where the characters are specifically stated to be around 15 yrs old
Wait... Is Velma a harem anime?!? The entire gang wants Velma or vise versa...
I-is the reason why they didn't have Scooby Doo in the show because they couldn't make him a love interest in a socially acceptable way?
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@@sonialinsey8083 LETS HAVE A REASONABLE DISCUSSION
Ok but why does this version of "Velma" remind me so much of the 2016 version of Blossom. Both of the original versions of the character were smart, helpful, had leadership skills, but were still nice people.
They could be sassy at times but they were never mean-spirited.
The latest versions, however, are narcissistic, think they are smarter than everyone, have irritating voices, and feel superior to everyone else. They are just too insufferable to like.
For a second, I thought you were talking about and edgy adult version of PPG that I'd never heard of called Blossom and then I remembered the reboot exists lol
@@fashionablechangeling2003 Wouldn't be surprised if in the next 10 years, a corporation produces an idea like that 😭
because that's what modern writers think smart characters are like and think jsut doing that is "funny"
forgtting that most of the time characters like this were often antagosits and made to fail because of their arrogance.
@@sarafontanini7051 like Dr Draken and Jack Spicer would fit the archetype much better.
Close Enough's creator also skirted the line of adult themes in a cartoon with Regluar Show but with Close Enough it was full adult themed. Also, one of the biggest insult to injuries is the VA of Fred's dad in Velma is the VA of Fred in the original cartoons of Scooby-Doo.
The show quickly brush over how Fred open up to Velma(who he forget who she was) about the abused by his father who put out cigars on him that even the viewer/critics seams to forget this when talking about this show.
I found that confusing too
@Alpha Jay Show I legit think it was brushed over because as the show made blatantly clear, Fred's a white guy. Literally every other character had a race swap to a minority group that exist in America except for Fred, why? To make him the white guy venting character
That's not Velma Dinkley, that's just Mindy Kaling writing herself into another well-known property.
Honestly a mystery incorporated revival/clone probably would have done so much better. Imagine how awesome it would be for parents to have a show they can watch alongside their kids without worrying that they might be exposing their kids to something traumatic.
I get the feeling that this show will be hate watched in to getting a second season.
I don’t think it’ll go farther than a second season. A new thing will be out to hate by next month.
Well that didn’t work for High Guardian Spice.
@@brandonlyon730 lol
@@TheAlphaJayShow Please don't give us false hope 😭
@@brandonlyon730ayoo what do you mean the animation was amazing those still images of food where beautiful. The fact that the music was sometimes louder than the characters was amazing. The dialogue was totally not cringe at all. And the fact that it looked like a Saturday morning cartoon on cartoon network textbook anime right there. Alright crunchyrol can I have my check now?
Velma didn’t tell Nervil for one reason and one reason only.
She wants to use everyone from the crew’s feelings for her. Nervil is smart and Daphne can get her whatever she needs inside of the police station. They both like her, she knows that, but she doesn’t like them back. So instead of having that conversation with them she decides to lead them both on, instead. Notice how the second Daphne makes her feelings obvious, Velma creates the whole falling on top of Daphne scene, and it looks like she did it on purpose.
She wants Fred to like her so she can use him to her advantage to. She probably wants to use him for his money.
I can see her jumping around between all of them (having a on and off relationship With the 3) while constantly asking the 3 for stuff.
I believe she killed her mom along with the girls but pinned it on Fred. I think she just wanted to see how much she was able to use Nervil’s and Daphne’s feelings for her to her advantage.
I feel like It's so hard to get a read on stuff like this because it's hard to pull apart what is genuine criticism or Disguised bigotry. (In general I mean, Alpha seems cool)
For sure, some people are just not gonna like some aspects of this show for misogynistic reasons, but I really did just try to speak about these characters as characters and not stand-in's for real-world applications.
That’s the issue with any media criticism these days it’s all about “owning the libs” or creating outrage by either babying POC into “I’m being so diverse” instead of acting like we’re normal human beings. It’s a one way swing of either treating minorities like dirt or putting them on a pedestal, we can’t just be treated like normal people even in fiction apparently.
I don’t even like the look of this show, I think it looks stupid, but so much of the “criticism” is based upon the anti-woke crowd instead of actual story telling. The same thing with the terrible ghostbusters remake in 2016. I didn’t enjoy it not because it was “woke” I didn’t enjoy it because it was badly written and all the characters were stereotypes and unfunny.
That last bit, about the theme of pressure, is exactly what I think could be used as a great GREAT turning point for Velma if it can survive it’s…less than stellar beginning…
I hope any future episodes can tackle that theme of pressure and focus on THAT rather than whatever it’s doing now!
Naw, Velma being raceswapped was already a red flag especially because the creator is Indian so it felt like a self-insert. Also, them raceswapping every character but Fred was also a red flag because we all know they did to make fun of straight white males
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9:55 you mean “when ‘Close Enough’ *did it?” 😭 R.I.P
I’m pretty sure it’s on Netflix now so yey
The writers sure does have talent in making every character be unlikeable.
"What if Velma focused less on needless meta-commentary, raunchy scenes, sex and endless bickering between characters historically known to be friends?"
At that point, based on what I've heard from friends and reviewers, you might as well say: "What if Velma got a nearly complete rewrite?"
But I will say, your final point at the end about what themes they could go for would definitely be quite interesting to watch.
6:00 This is funny because it's true, most guys like a girl that simply do not like them back.
And women tend to react this way.
ITS NOT FUNNY BECAUSE ITS YOU! Thats the mantra of this show.
It's basically a huge mirror showing all of the viewers flaws and everyone hates it.
As a person who likes introspection and asking myself "why I do the things I do?" This show is super clever.
Velma is the incel that judges people harshly so she can justify why she's alone.
"Im alone cause everyone is so horrible" THATS THE JOKE
The show is saying you have to take risk and get to know someone before judging and writing them off prematurely or else you'll be this weirdo loner.
It's a mirror and most people don't like what they see when they look within themselves.
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At the very least, this show made me want to rewatch all the classic episodes.
Not gonna lie, I'm actually impatient of the upcoming episodes of this show....if only because I wanna see how this show's hatred of its target audience goes
That’s how they get you
Pfft, this is the exact kind of show that should be given absolutely no attention at all.
Hate watching a show isn't exactly a good idea.
@Jordan Boyd true, it can lead to success unfortunately
@Jordan Boyd Maybe, but I'm wondering "Just how little faith these makers have for their target audience?"
This is the best perspective I have seen as it doesn't focus solely on the bad yt guy jokes but on the overall narrative and how everyone from velma to Fred are terribly represented
I think the issue with raceswapping is that it is so often done to avoid having good writing and just co-opt fans from an already successful IP, and if you put in the effort and have good writing why warp an already existing character to fit your story rather than make one that fits in a more 'natural' way.
No, the issue with race-swapping is disgusting liberal corporations using minorities as nothing but a tool to boost their own image, treating black people as just a "trendy minority to profit off of." Liberal corporations are a cancer to everyone and yet they get praised by literally committing blatant racism. They lazily race-swapped velma as they don't have to put in any effort and still profit, which is what most liberal corporations will do, the bare minimum.
Also as a failsafe. Should the rework fail, you can instantly shield yourself from any and all criticism by claiming racism and/or bigotry.
Maybe it's just me... but I think a reason people don't like when they change races it's because most of the time they are paired with a bad show/bad writing/bad experience.
and it mainly happens when they take an already existing franchise and basically slander it
Honestly I adore it. What better way to know a show is trash than to proudly display your distain for the audience
What I find odd is that it's only ok when the characters are white but imagine if I race-swapped a well-established black character like the Proud family and made them white if be canceled so fast. When they changed Velma it was considered a nice change but if I race-swapped penny and her family is get called a racist.
it can also lead to it feeling disingenuine and forced and only for aesthetics, often their race being changed is only for level surface and shallow cliches or jsut to say they have diversity without having it add to the character or story.
For example Fan4stic made Johnny Storm black....but NOT His sister, who remains white (because can't have the smart white lead fall in love with a black gal am I right?). THis COULDhave lead to something interesting like questions about why they're diferent races and how this affects their rleationship or their personal lives and such...but nope. Purely cosmetic.
I'm not against idea of race swapping inherently, but only if its done well and with good intentions, rather than "well the showrunner is non-white so why not make the character she voices the same"
Also often it's just... cheap. You are getting an already established character instead of creating your own, often turning them into a horrible character, which goes to shpow that the reason they did it is because they are incapable of coming up ith character from scratch.
Which is one part I will disagree with the video, if you wanna do representation, make original characters. Changing Shaggy to be that guy for example at least isn't that bad, because he's practically a completely different guy. Velma on the other hand is Velma but darker and also an asshole for some reason.
Like sure, if you're making a fan-fic or fanart I don't give a shit how you draw/write the characters, but that's supposed to be somewhat official, yet it feels like a teen's fanfic.
Velma put on a serious "I'm gonna murder someone" disguise and took a cane and beat Daphne across the girl's shower room in the opening scene. wtf
Moral of the story - If you want to create entertainment based on your own identity, create your own content. Do not bastardize beloved franchises with millions of fans. Especially when the fanbase spreads over several decades!!!
Thanks for the video!!!
the issue is not the race swapping but rather the creator's own projection onto the show, turning it into something like her other stories, which contain characters just like the velma depicted in this show. you're all looking over that aspect.
Well they've tried to make their own content & well... let's just say I'd rather have them not be making shows period. Or even be on the internet.
It's sad when cosby did it better 50 YEARS AGO
I really like it when any portray Velma as someone who is really smart but still tries to see the good in the world. That she knows that the world has horrible people in if but she also knows that there are good people in it as well. So in the end she hopes that good will win even if it's not likely. She had hope while being smart.
As a teen, WE DO NOT CARE ABOUT HASHTAGS. That's weird that that's all has reduced us to lmao
This show honestly feels like those toxic tumblr character "fixing" posts turned into a show with awful edgy drug headcanons, watering down characters they dislike the most until theyre unrecognizable for the sake of being edgy. Scooby isn't even here which is it's biggest sin but I think that's for the better
That’s super accurate
Oh yeah! It totally does seem like that. I frickin hate it when people would “fix” other people’s works.
I repeat do not hate watch this or any show you don't like! That's is exactly what they want! It's how TTG got 8 seasons and two movies
This is the take.
At least TTG can be enjoyable in some moments.
@@FatherOFCrimzon I will admit, in the beginning, TTG was decent, it at least had decent jokes, and it wasn't complete character assassination, but then it became popular and the writers started thinking they could do whatever they like
@@FatherOFCrimzon it was in the beginning, but then the spitefulness and pettiness turned up to 100, and it just turned me off from watching it.
@@ntfoperative9432 Yeah, the early episodes were alright but currently it's below mid.
As abysmal as this show is, it's strangely inspirational. In that, you want to go out and create something, knowing that it'll probably be miles better than this.
Well, that iteration of Daphne certainly exists. And Velma certain is a "smart girl" of the "five man band" I can't say that archetype is well written.
And they don't getting the title of the first series of the franchise *"Scooby* *Doo,* Were Are You!" is sad to say the least
Well said!
ok i never thought these woulds would come out of my mouth, and im damn sure they wont ever be repeated but
thank god for studio executives
they usually do a lot of misguided or outright dumb crap but their decision to not include Scooby in this grabage heap is just brilliant
he doesnt deserve that and neither do we
11:00 It's not about the Christmas Presents, it's about togetherness. Maybe if that was the case, none of this would have ever happened.
I already knew by the amount of times they commented on Fred's whiteness before the show came out that this wasn't gonna be it lol
Lmaoo 😂
The fact you were able to see good in this show can tell us you definitely know what you're talking about. You're THE man!
He is telling you to sympathize with an openly racist manipulative narcissist.
Even if it leaned into that, that's not really gonna help. Especially when the character pretty much wanders around treating everyone like shit and questions why they get so much shit back from others.
Look, they are fun to watch but they are just like us a person who watches these cartoons and forms their own opinion it doesn't mean they know exactly what they're talking about it just means they're sharing their opinion form your own opinion about things.
what?????????
@@coldeed In an alternate universe, the Velma in this show wouldn't have been the openly racist manipulative narcissist created by Mindy Kaling.
I think I get it, or at least, I get what they are trying to do. This is supposed to be an origin story for the gang, so they are actively starting the characters at flawed points so that they can mold them into what they should become by the end of the season, the problem is the starting characters are so unlikable that we as an audience don't want to stay for the journey.
Like, I swear, they are going to have Fred learn that "Hey Velma is smart and woman actually have value" and that magically coinciding with a pan shot to the fact Fred finally starts growing his big boy hair, with someone literally pointing it out and actually calling it "big boy hair". Also, that in the final episode when the gang is all together, the last line of the season will literally be something like " ... maybe we should get a dog" like ha ha it's supposed to be funny! (But it's not)
changing one thing could make this show work: the writers
The end of this video is... actually some good arguments potentially in the show's favor.
I don't have faith that the creators are at all interested in improving - if anything, I predict that they'll just double down on their weaknesses out of spite instead of playing to their strengths because that's how this pattern typically goes - but... the seeds of a good show are _there,_ but doomed, and that's pretty tragic.
I’m glad you enjoyed the end of the video. Wanted to end with some positivity
The show feels more like a show about teenagers who happened to have the same names (most of them) as the Scooby Doo characters and just happened to look like them (for the most part) but not actually them.
It seems like all these new Cartoons and anime feel more like self insert fanfictions than actual stories!
Absolutely
Well Jay, I hope this encourages you to watch, and do episode reviews on either what's new Scooby Doo or better yet mystery Inc. rather than perpetuate the hate the show threw at the audience, it'd be nice to put something positive out there.
Tl;Dr I hope you do mystery inc it's extremely underrated
I wouldn’t mind
3:44 I think rick and morty exemplifies that it’s not the expectation of cartoon sitcoms to not be self aware, but the pacing of it in relation to other types of jokes. We all know at least once per episode, though likely more often, there will be a lot of snarky self analyzing jokes, most often from rick. It doesn’t harm the show’s comedic flow because it’s spread between other kinds of jokes. It doesn’t go all in on variations on the exact same thing. It’s not the lack of expectation, but the lack of variety which makes it repetitive and boring
I just feel bad for the animators as they have to be tied to this show.
Luckily in the animation industry, you can get work even with negatively received shows
@@TheAlphaJayShow Same can't be said for the Gen Zed animators it seems.
4:47 FRED ROGERS?? THATS NOT HIS NAME LMAO ITS FRED JONES IM CRYING SHAGGY IS THE ONE NAMED SHAGGY ROGERS
I know everyone is commenting on the show here, but props to you on the analysis. My gosh this was honestly amazingly written, and really like the introspective on to the "why" we feel a certain way. Bro that section on pressure was A+ stuff, thank you for the great vid 👏👏