Love my 2020 Ecodiesel. I had a 2019 Hemi ram and struggled to get 18mpg and now I average 28+ MPG. The ecodiesel tows fantastic and drives great. 74,000km and zero issues.
I snuck in today and picked up one. Drive 75 miles home driving at least 70 and got 31.5mpg. Smooth torque. The people that don’t own them tell me how many problems they have and the people that do own them tell me they’re mostly trouble free.
I love driving diesels, so nice! However I personally don't drive enough distance in a year to make it pay. Also the price of diesel fuel right now vs gas is absolutely ridiculous!!! Hopefully that is just a short term thing for all the people that can justify driving a diesel.
It's not time for any of this EV mandate garbage. In the states our infrastructure can barely handle the common air-conditioning use in the summer. You expect me to believe it's gonna handle millions of new EVs? While we're closing rather than modernizing nuclear plants? Irrational behavior.
I had a Ram 1500 Ecodiesel 2nd gen. I had 2 engine and a fuel system replacement within 2.5 years of owning it. I believe the all the smog equipment caused the problems.
Diesel fuel has also been at about a 30% premium over regular in my area recently that definitely changed the pros and cons of considering diesel for me.
@@blake5089 Before this year that's what I saw as well or at least it was close between diesel/regular but this summer in Regina it was higher I think last week it was 155.9l regular 199.9l diesel. I just wonder if this price difference is the new normal or it will go back to being roughly the same price.
Just ordered a Denali Duramax! I drove all three motors a few times, the 3.0 is really impressive. And coming from a Tundra with 450,000km with very little issues, I’m praying this truck is a win for GM
@@marksullivan3424 it’s basically new still. 4500 miles. Not a single hiccup though. Shifts smooth every single time. Power is consistent. Fuel economy is insane.
Although I wish it could've stayed, the reality is that its days were numbered. It costs more to manufacture, Ram will have to further comply with the 2025 emissions standard, the Hurricane is waiting in the balance with more HP and Torque, and yes, the BEV will be ready in a year. Factoring in $5/gal diesel and more maintenance requirements, it kinda makes sense. GM can keep the Duramax because they have so many more cars and electrics to offset the emissions miss of the diesel. It is sad to see the Ecodiesel, which started the modern small diesel wars nearly a decade ago, go away.
I believe the reason why RAM is discontinuing the eco diesel is because the EPA is introducing stricter emission standards for Diesel engines in 2024 and the eco diesel does not meet those standards. They most likely could not justify the redesign costs based off of past sales numbers. The new regulations is why GM redesigned their 3.0 for 2023. They (GM) probably sell much more 3.0 diesels so their bean counters could justify the redesign costs.
That’s because the GM 3.0 is far superior to the Fiat EcoDiesel. IMO, the EcoDiesel was salvageable, but it was strictly a matter of economics for Chrysler.
@@TheRamGuy - What does GM’s partial ownership of VM Motori have to do with the comparative quality of the two subject engines? Are you contending that the Vega 2.3 engine was as good as the small-block Chevy V-8 simply because both were built by GM? Fine bit of logic you’re employing there …
GM was the only one to do a clean sheet design within the North American 1/2 tonne market. This is clearly the result. The emissions systems required needed the flexibility of a fresh start.
I have a TRX so I'm not in the market. However if I were and were not in the market for a TRX but a regular half ton, it would definitely be the Eco diesel Limited
Between the EPA, fuel costs, maintenance and the up-charges it no longer paid to go diesel, you never saved enough in mileage to even break even on the cost.
You won’t if you are a suburbanite driving to Lowe’s every couple of weeks. But for towing and long-distance travel, it’s tops. FAR better than any currently available EV truck.
The DEF system is the biggest issue with Ecodiesel failures. The EGR coolers leaking and Turbos are common problems. People who own these Ecodiesel vehicles are learning they are short term. The dealerships don’t have the proper tech support to properly maintain them. You call a dealership for service, you might be stuck waiting for them to hire a diesel mechanic to work that day to try and fix the problem. In Canada, people have tuned their Ecodiesels to shut off the EGR to run more efficiently. Here in the US the EPA has gone after everyone who modified and tuned their Ecodiesel.
Had a 2014 Jeep Grand Cherokee with the eEco Diesel and had nothing but issues with it over the two years of ownership. 28 times it spent two or more days at the dealer being “repaired” on one occasion it was at the dealer for 30 plus days.
@@audreyssingingadventures6475 Totally agree, spent a ton of money on it. Loved the look, fuel economy and sound it made. It would go into limp mode and wouldn’t go over 55, multiple different dealers attempted to repair it, loaded different diagnostic firmware on it looking for issue. At times with these different firmwares I’d get 31-35 miles per gallon other ones mileage would drop to 15-18 miles per gallon. The worst issue was the huge clouds of smoke that would come out from under the engine after driving at highway speeds, stop at the end of exit ramp, at times cloud would engulf vehicle other times it wouldn’t be that bad, but still concerning. After all diagnostic attempts they couldn’t figure out what was happening and I had to give up, got tired of fighting what seemed to be a losing battle.
I actually just bought a 2022 Bighorn EcoDiesel yesterday. And I absolutely love it. Low miles and in great shape. Can’t wait to drive this truck for 10-15 years. I still wanna get back into a 2500. But the gas mileage is why I went with the 1/2 ton. And I have plans to use the towing power that comes with it. Love this truck!
Would love to have a new one but the price is just getting to much. I love Diesel. Living in Northern Alberta it's a lifeline to be able to go farther that 400k on a tank of gas. Wish they kept it. Bad call RAM .
Government regulations aren't making our trucks more efficient or ecological. When the free market finds a solution, government almost always makes things worse, even when they claim they opposite. In the 1980s, trucks were mostly gas, and they were horribly inefficient, often getting single digit mpg around town and low teens on the highway, and much of their inefficacy was explained by horrible government mandated emissions controls that zapped them of their efficiency. Thankfully, the brilliant free market found the solution in diesels. If people remember, you could get a Cummins 12v, which could get 25-30mpg on the highway, double what the equivalent government gas trucks could get. But now, that can't be built anymore, because it's too "dirty" and "wasteful", according government regulators. Did we actually gain anything from any of this? No, but the market is always advancing. The Ecodiesel was the same solution to government fabricated problems, but for the lighter duty truck segment. You could get 30 mpg out of a full size truck, even with all the ridiculous after treatment systems that government forces on people. It was refined and powerful, and for people who did lots of driving, it would make tons of economic sense, because the efficiency was so good. The engine wasn't perfect, but it was a marvelous piece of engineering that met the market's demands, something government couldn't allow. Well, government is still thinking otherwise and is now titling the scales to EVs, away from ICE engines entirely. Do people think that'll satisfy unaccountable government regulators? I doubt that. If they've been allowed this power for decades, well, what makes anyone think they just give that up? They'll have nothing better to do with themselves. They'll just make up some other issue, to remain relevant and in control. You can already see how it's shaping up for us here in California, with our perpetual lack of reliable electricity. What's to stop them from telling us how big our batteries could be, or how much we can charge them, when we can charge them? Nothing, nothing at all is going to satisfy them. We will forever be facing problems that government puts in front of us, and it will continue to pretend it has solutions to the problems it puts in front of us. I can already see the headlines for 2035... "EVs not as clean as once thought"... "Government to set caps for charging of EVs"... "Toxins found in drinking water near Lithium recycling facility"..."Government to introduce EV battery disposal tax, form new oversight body"..."Low-frequency fields around EV batteries cause cancer for riders"..."Government to mandate new battery tech by 2040"...
CAFE requires cars to have a fuel efficiency base on the square footage of their wheelbase, so a mid sized truck that gets 22mpg is actually worse according to regulations than a full sized truck that gets 18mpg
@@pizzasaurolophus Yes, and that's not just true with mid-size trucks, that's just true in general. Due to CAFE, it's cheaper to make a vehicle larger, fitting it into a larger "footprint, than it is to make it more efficient, even if it lowers the overall fuel economy. That also partly explains why "light trucks" outsell passenger cars 3-1. People say it's market demand. In reality, it's market demand based on government order.
I'd love to own a 3rd gen in a bighorn trim level, first time that's available in Canada. I think Ram is making a mistake here, there is a generation of life left here for half ton diesel. I haven't seen a catalytic converter on a fossil fuel generator smoke stack last time I checked. I really liked my 2nd gen, even after I got a big DEF bill, it's one vehicle I regretted trading (although I may have dodged a bullet).
I absolutely love my 2014 ram 1500 ecodiesel. Personally I like it more than the 2022 ram 1500 hemi that I drive occasionally for work. It definitely doesn't feel as peppy but it's a much smoother driving experience and easily has equal towing capabilities. Doesn't hurt that the range is literally double on the diesel.
I have a 2014 Ram 1500 Ecodiesel. Got my settlement check from that incident you spoke of, and it was a nice check! Can't lie though...i'd gladly give that check back to have my torque again! That recall straight neutered my Ram! I had to install a pedal commander just to get some of it back, but it's still not the same. And i am kinda nervous about having an electric truck. Even though we THINK it may be less expensive than gas or diesel fuel, imagine the outages and shortages due to having too many people pulling electricity. I'd imagine that cost will increase drastically at that point. We will see though. Great video, guys! I am a new subscriber. Can't wait to view more of your content.
I do have a 2016 Ecodiesel with 198k km now, i love her so much...I was thinking of getting a wrangler with the Ecodiesel on it...with the current price of diesel, i only spend 82CAD travelling more than 500km...
I have ‘22 Gladiator WILLYS EcoDiesel on it’s way from the L48 to Interior Alaska. I bought it from a dealership and got a fair deal. Diesel is still above $5 a gallon at most fuel stations. Before too long the price of it will drop. I had a ‘18 Ram 3500 and experienced issues with the DEF pump and ended up selling the truck. I hopeful I do not experience any issues with this diesel but if I do well now that it will be harder to get them it may have just made my truck worth a bit more. It’s unfortunate the direction we’re heading in regards to electric vehicles with charging times being what they are and the lack of charging stations throughout the US. Additionally, the cost to replace the battery right now is extraordinarily expensive, you’re better off buying a new vehicle. I have a hunch that oil companies are working with auto manufacturers behind the scenes and that the amount of oil reserves is dwindling much faster than expected/ predicted and we need a viable replacement.
Steve, here in Canada, will we be able to get an ED in a tradesman/bighorn? Because as of now, the cheapest ED option in Canada is in a rebel which is priced way too high for me.
I am completely against all electric trucks. And it is not due to lack of range. And as for power, good lands, electric vehicles are a BEAST when it comes to power! 700 HP is fairly easy these days! But I VERY stongly feel we (as a country) "have put the cart before the horse" as we say. Our power grid is NOT ready for this! We need to build a MUCH more robust power grid FIRST.......THEN start pushing (no pun intended) electric vehicles down the consumers throats. I can not afford even a 10 year old Cummins truck. Least not in the foreseeable near future. But when the time comes that I can buy new, it will be fuel powered or I will buy older used again!
I love my ecodiesel. Was sad to hear this. Mine is only a 2015 but only has 40k miles on it. I absolutely love the torque in my 1/2 ton pickup. It has an offroad tune and a few other mods. I think the epa had something to do with the death of the ecodiesel.
My Ecodiesel 3rd generation in my Wrangler has the best power train ever offered in a Jeep. I loved the 258 I6 in my CJ7. But 5 times the power and the 8 speed automatic utilizes the power band brilliantly.
I agree with your Input, I also think GM is far ahead with their 3.0 diesel that Ram can't afford the cost to catch up. GM just revamped theirs to make it better so they're probably going to be in the game with that engine for awhile. Sad to see the diesel leave the Colorado, but who knows maybe the 3.0 will show up in these trucks as well. ??
If GM was going to put the 3.0 in the new midsized trucks, they had plenty of time to develop those trucks with it in them. They dropped the diesel for a reason.
It’s a shame they don’t just update it. Heard majority of GM 3L owners love their engines (esp with the fix to the long-crank issue). I would only have considered a Ram with the Eco but they don’t offer it in a low enough trim for me to afford. Ford also dropped its half-ton diesel so GM is only game in town. Sad.
The only problems I've had with my 2014 JGC eco-diesel is the emission crap. Unfortunately I have gone from 36 mpg down to 22 mpg after the last several programming updates. Dodge claims it's all in how I am driving it now. Such bull crap. Planning on paying the $1800 to remove all the emission stuff and enjoying it again.
It's kind of funny/ironic atleast imo, but vw and fca get hit with "dieselgate" and ford and gm don't. They probably have "cheat" software too, but they're American/government owned, so no penalties for them. Either way, nothing government can do as long as you live in a low population area. :)
Turbo engines can now get close to diesel torque numbers, with the only thing still in there favor being range. The cost/mile for the average consumer is hard to justify the higher initial cost and higher maintenance/fuel costs. Also Ram understands that consumers want options, but there is a point where too many options leads to manufacturing inefficiency.
No powerstrokes please I've had my share, Drove a 3500 dually Cummins from 94 till 2019 need I say more ? and no issue at all. I've had 2 CATS & strong they are but who can afford to fix the oil leak kings ? . 2 Internationals very strong & long life's, I have the 3.0 eco in a Jeep Grand Cherokee Limited since 2014 & wow strong/fast & 29 MPG I also have a 2006 LBZ Duramax in my Silverado and again strong & fast & nearing 300 000 miles, ya think I might like Diesel ? . My choice is Dodge has the most cab room, Chevy the best handling & the Jeep best mileage. Thank you again for a good video...
I have a 3rd Gen. In my 21' Wrangler. To Me, It's got a Ton of Torque and is really quick off the line.But then again, I never drove a " Real Diesel " like a Cummins or Cat. or Power Stroke etc.Plus I only pull a 5x8 tag along trailer.
I recently sold my 2020 Sierra Denali with the straight 6 cylinder 3.0L diesel. I absolutely loved it. Great performance and outstanding fuel economy. If I wasn't planning on purchasing a 5th wheel in my soon to be retirement, I would have never sold it. (I now have a 22 Silverado HD with the 6.6 Duramax) This is sad to hear of yet another diesel going away. The torque and overall performance/efficiency simply cannot be matched by gasoline engines. LONG LIVE THE DIESEL!!!!!
Sandy Munro said in one of their videos that GM invested $1B on the L6 Duramax and criticized them for the timing as to whether there would be long enough production life to justify the cost, while transitioning to electric propulsion. This was before they released the updated version. I guess they will make it available widely in the future to amortize the development cost, perhaps to the military, as happened with the 6.2L V8 diesel used in the Hummer military vehicles. This would guarantee a long production life, regardless of civilian usage. Diesel in any non-commercial light duty or passenger vehicle is dead in a city environmental. The switch to electric will be almost total, regardless of infrastructure growing pains. Just my two cents.
Ram may be looking ahead to a big dip in sales and the economy in general coming around the bend. Not to be a downer, but now might be a good time to trim some fat just in case.
Thanks for the video guys. Yeah I agree it's sad to see the diesel go, but in reality, for 1500 series trucks as volume leaders I wonder what the up-take is now. My brother had a 2016 - 2500 that got caught up in the regs and general lack of reliability and he said "no" to a Ram when it was time for a new heavy-duty (he went with Ford). I believe this was a simple case of Stellantis allocating development $$ and decided that this engine was not worth the cost given the issues and reputation in the market.
i was watching a car show a few years ago they were talking to an italian engineer about the diesel,could hardly understand him talking how great it was.another interviewer asked it was fca at the time why they didnt ask cummins to make one for them since they made the 6.7 it was said the 3.0 lire they already had made in italy fit perfect in the truck,so why make a new one.
And there's this...remember the 5.0 V8 Cummins diesel that Nissan had in the Titan XD a few years ago? It was meant for Dodge/Ram 1500s back in the day. After FCA bought Chrysler, they (FCA) had second thoughts and introduced the Italian 3.0 V6 diesel instead.
I love my 22 eco diesel. Its an amazing machine 30 mug on the hiway. If they do away with the diesel why can't they use a small motor to charge the electric ram. It can take up to 45 minutes to power the electric engine but a small engine to power the electric makes more sense.
I prefer the 1500 Classic anyway. V6 (no) and V8 without any mild hybrid stuff. I hope they keep it building it forever because it's basically a commercial vehicle.
I'm looking at buying Eco-diesel very soon. My problem with electric vehicles is they didn't try and look at other forms of energy. There are other fuels to look at.
Now I would absolutely NOT purchase a 3.0 eco diesel at this time for 2 reasons: 1: finding a future qualified mechanic to service the very specialized eco diesel 2: Parts. There are many updated parts, some very recent, but supply of those parts are very limited to the supply chain shortages and good luck finding parts in the future now that the eco diesel is being canceled! Big mistake RAM. Another WOKE company.
I have a 2019 Ram 1500 Classic Ecodiesel and I love it. Traded my 2021 1500 Hemi new body style for it and would never trade back. Maybe the 2023 1500 Ram Big Horn Ecodiesel will be in my near future... last chance!
Two people I know have resorted to lemon law buybacks for their new GM diesel trucks, which seems to fall in line with the adage that older diesels, sans the emissions equipment, were night and day superior to modern ones. I owned one diesel, a VW, and it was running just fine at 500k miles, but there’s no compelling reason to buy another diesel given the laughable fuel cost penalty. Meanwhile my 20 year old Ford gas pickup is tough as an anvil.
My ‘16 Ecodiesel was a disaster…great mileage, right up until the EGR failed at 37k miles. Then the reprogramming debacle that made the truck almost undrivable. Won’t miss it!
The performance of a diesel is why I prefer them to gas in a truck. In a minivan, the 3.6 MOPAR engine is tops, but I don’t tow with the van. I don’t want the 3.6 in my truck.
In the US, It seems like the used truck market for Ram(2014-2019) is flooded with second gen EcoDiesels. Interesting that volume was 20% the first year, as I feel like it looks closer to 50/50 when I window shop trucks online.
The comment of about ram discontinuing the eco-diesel because of a future EV truck is ridiculous. My coworker bought a Ford lightning with the extended range battery. He got 287 miles on one charge from full to empty which you’re not supposed to do with an electric vehicle. He towed his trailer and had to stop and charge in just 127 miles. If you need a truck around town I’m OK with that but if you need a truck to tow a trailer, you need a diesel.
The reason Ford stoped was because there 3.0 diesel came from a Jag and is greatly outdated. Ram's 3.0 was designed for a Cadillac Europe. Ram and Ford do not want to spend the money to keep up with GM's new truck 3.0 diesel. Gm was late to the party but did they ever show up strong. I did own a eco diesel that was tuned to run without the EGR, helped it a-lot. I just bought a 22 3.0 Duramax and this thing is great. Absolutely no turbo lag . I just drove the truck on a trip for 2800 miles. My average mpg was 27.7, my speed was 60 to 85, mostly 75. Also you said ram has a new turbo V6. I thought it was a straight 6.
i have a question: can someone contact RAM and make a legit licensed (enhanced/customized) version of the Ecodiesel? Ssangyong had licensed and rebranded Mercedes Diesel engines in their trucks/SUVs in the past so can someone else do it with the Ecodiesel i wonder?
Diesels are fantastic, but oil giants HATE letting consumers have the option for more fuel-efficient vehicles. Why are diesels still successful & plentiful in Europe & Australia? It's not that they know something we don't know, it's that they don't have the aggressive lobbying & anti-diesel "emissions standards" that we do here in NA, however, they're getting there. There's certain places in cities that are "non diesel" zones, and even non-ICE zones are starting to pop up too, so that now EV giants can have their cake, forcing people to buy them.
EV cannot tow with distance. Ecodiesel is an efficient engine that can tow. Only a Hybrid Ecodiesel can be better for both daily driver and towing. I dont know if that was even considered but it makes a lot of sense for me as a customer.
I love my 2021 RAM Rebel. Works great but if I have to replace it with the available options left, I'll be getting a DuraMax... And I really dislike GM... Maybe the Hurricane will work out.
I had a Ram ecodiesel & it was the biggest turd I have ever owned. FCA had no idea how to fix it, so I lemon lawed it & FCA had to buy it back. Stellantis needs to up their game in their service departments & quit worrying about their marketing. Please the customers & they will buy more. Piss off the customers & they will not buy & they will tell everyone else not to buy.
I like diesels, just not these modern diesels. They make great power but the emissions just kill them. EGR chokes them to death. DPF filters get clogged. DEF injectors get clogged, or heaters fail. The emissions just make them not worth owning. On top of that, gasoline is coming down and diesel is still holding high. I loved my ZR2 diesel but got rid of it before the inevitable emissions issues. I already had poor DEF quality messages a few times on road trips.
I got the dreaded , Engine Won’t Restart in XX miles DEF System See Dealer! The Ecodiesel is nothing but problems here in the US with the EPA. Those in Canada who have tuned them are very happy with their performance. The message Improper DEF detected will be followed by the above. Only a diesel mechanic or Ram dealership has the specific software to clear them. People have been stuck driving on a long trip getting the message stranded trying to locate a mechanic who could help.
Volkswagen did more harm to diesel than anything else. Rams early ecodiesel emissions recall and litigation didn't help either but it was baby $#!+ compared to Volkswagen. The days of the small efficient diesel are unfortunately over. People would rather have EV and switch the emissions from their tailpipe to the power plants stack the next town over.
I'm sure jeep will announce with new hurricane engine shortly. I have a diesel gladiator, love it, but the shape of the gladiator does not allow enough cooling to get the most of the diesel
@@TruckKing The EV WOKE “Green New Deal” movement is the biggest scam in power generation utilities and consumer automotive history; especially in the truck & large suv segment that require heavy payloads, medium to long rage towing, extended off road use and long distance travel applications. Do the math: “Diesel is the most efficient combustion engine fuel source, carrying 38 kilowatt hours of energy in every gallon - 27 times that of lithium ion batteries.” Dropping diesel, gas and then PHEV engines, totally nuts as everyone seems to forget about the limitations of todays power grid. Like diesel and gasoline, the energy density of coal and natural gas are superior to the best lithium batteries for power generation and “energy storage”. In fact, it may take up to 30 years and trillions of dollars in constant upgrades to provide reliable and affordable net zero green power generation & power energy storage just to attempt to keep up with the increasing EV charging demands, not to mention the massive growing illegal foreign migration being allowed into the USA at alarming rates. In fact, it is estimated that these undocumented, illegal immigrants will increase power grid utility demands over 25% yearly if the trend doesn’t stop immediately. Further, as coal and natural gas power plants are being replaced with wind, solar and costly battery storage required to balance the grid, states doing so on large scales are FAILING; resulting in both blackouts and consumers leaving the states by masses unable to afford the significant constant utility bill increases, required for net zero power generation / battery energy storage. In conclusion: It’s totally premature to delete natural gas & coal power generation, diesel, v8 gas and then PHEV engines being replaced by today’s unaffordable EV trucks and large SUVs that are also dysfunctional in many applications and green energy power generation all require expensive degrading toxic battery storage, the mathematical realities are already proving doing so at this point in time is absolutely nuts.
Won't fit. They couldn't even fit it in the suburban for a while there. I watched one of the chief engineers say they literally designed the current half ton around the i6 to make sure the packaging would work. And it would also be too heavy for the smaller truck, no payload left. But they should have definitely continued development on the i4 diesel in that little truck.
That engine would be great in the Colorado, even if it took a redesign to shoehorn it in. As it is, the 2023 only comes with that 2.7 turbo lump … I’m not interested. If I were in the market for that truck, I’d shop for a good used 2.8 diesel.
Is that just reliability issues that ppl are iffy and so they just go with the hemi not create a hemi 🤷🤷🤷. Like you said the emissions for the diesel engine hurts it.
I'd like to try a Diesel once, It would be for the experience though not cost savings, I think in the end would cost me more with the price of diesel and oil changes, def fluid.
Did the lawsuits for Ram lying about the emissions and mileage data about the Ecodiesel have anything to do with it ?? I know people that got settlements so don’t tell me it didn’t happen.
Good luck towing a 5000 lb RV trailer 800 miles with the all electric Ram 1500 before needy to charge it in less than 10 minutes which the eco diesel can do!
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Love my 2020 Ecodiesel. I had a 2019 Hemi ram and struggled to get 18mpg and now I average 28+ MPG. The ecodiesel tows fantastic and drives great. 74,000km and zero issues.
Same situation as myself,i had a 19' hemi and traded for a 21' ecodiesel. So far 29,000 km's problem free
I snuck in today and picked up one. Drive 75 miles home driving at least 70 and got 31.5mpg. Smooth torque. The people that don’t own them tell me how many problems they have and the people that do own them tell me they’re mostly trouble free.
I love driving diesels, so nice! However I personally don't drive enough distance in a year to make it pay. Also the price of diesel fuel right now vs gas is absolutely ridiculous!!! Hopefully that is just a short term thing for all the people that can justify driving a diesel.
It's not time for any of this EV mandate garbage. In the states our infrastructure can barely handle the common air-conditioning use in the summer. You expect me to believe it's gonna handle millions of new EVs? While we're closing rather than modernizing nuclear plants? Irrational behavior.
I had a Ram 1500 Ecodiesel 2nd gen. I had 2 engine and a fuel system replacement within 2.5 years of owning it. I believe the all the smog equipment caused the problems.
Diesel fuel has also been at about a 30% premium over regular in my area recently that definitely changed the pros and cons of considering diesel for me.
$5.40 on avg here in NH.
It’s typically cheaper than gasoline in the summer months in parts of western Canada
@@blake5089 Before this year that's what I saw as well or at least it was close between diesel/regular but this summer in Regina it was higher I think last week it was 155.9l regular 199.9l diesel. I just wonder if this price difference is the new normal or it will go back to being roughly the same price.
@@patrick2657 agree it was an odd year. It was still cheaper in parts of the BC Fraser valley and Alberta at least.
Gas is $1.43 and diesel is $1.90 per liter eh bud.
As a 3.0L duramax owner, I HOPE they don’t ever ditch this power train. It’s the only thing I’d ever trade this truck for… another 3.0L duramax
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Just ordered a Denali Duramax! I drove all three motors a few times, the 3.0 is really impressive. And coming from a Tundra with 450,000km with very little issues, I’m praying this truck is a win for GM
@@marksullivan3424 obviously I can’t speak on reliability but it’s definitely a win on every other front. I love it
@@Styrkur13 how many miles on yours? And any issues?
@@marksullivan3424 it’s basically new still. 4500 miles. Not a single hiccup though. Shifts smooth every single time. Power is consistent. Fuel economy is insane.
Although I wish it could've stayed, the reality is that its days were numbered. It costs more to manufacture, Ram will have to further comply with the 2025 emissions standard, the Hurricane is waiting in the balance with more HP and Torque, and yes, the BEV will be ready in a year.
Factoring in $5/gal diesel and more maintenance requirements, it kinda makes sense. GM can keep the Duramax because they have so many more cars and electrics to offset the emissions miss of the diesel. It is sad to see the Ecodiesel, which started the modern small diesel wars nearly a decade ago, go away.
I believe the reason why RAM is discontinuing the eco diesel is because the EPA is introducing stricter emission standards for Diesel engines in 2024 and the eco diesel does not meet those standards. They most likely could not justify the redesign costs based off of past sales numbers. The new regulations is why GM redesigned their 3.0 for 2023. They (GM) probably sell much more 3.0 diesels so their bean counters could justify the redesign costs.
That’s because the GM 3.0 is far superior to the Fiat EcoDiesel.
IMO, the EcoDiesel was salvageable, but it was strictly a matter of economics for Chrysler.
Good info thanks for sharing
@@sking2173 jerk It may be better but the gm is priced 20k more than I paid for my RAM EcoDiesel
@@sking2173 it is absolutely not better than the Gen 3 ecodiesel. Btw GM used to own 50% of VM Motori who made the Duramax 2.8l and now the Eco.
@@TheRamGuy - What does GM’s partial ownership of VM Motori have to do with the comparative quality of the two subject engines?
Are you contending that the Vega 2.3 engine was as good as the small-block Chevy V-8 simply because both were built by GM?
Fine bit of logic you’re employing there …
I have a '22 Jeep Gladiator Rubicon with the Ecodiesel. I love it. It has more power and better fuel mileage than the 3.6 gasser.
GM was the only one to do a clean sheet design within the North American 1/2 tonne market. This is clearly the result. The emissions systems required needed the flexibility of a fresh start.
I have a TRX so I'm not in the market. However if I were and were not in the market for a TRX but a regular half ton, it would definitely be the Eco diesel Limited
Between the EPA, fuel costs, maintenance and the up-charges it no longer paid to go diesel, you never saved enough in mileage to even break even on the cost.
You won’t if you are a suburbanite driving to Lowe’s every couple of weeks. But for towing and long-distance travel, it’s tops. FAR better than any currently available EV truck.
The DEF system is the biggest issue with Ecodiesel failures. The EGR coolers leaking and Turbos are common problems. People who own these Ecodiesel vehicles are learning they are short term. The dealerships don’t have the proper tech support to properly maintain them. You call a dealership for service, you might be stuck waiting for them to hire a diesel mechanic to work that day to try and fix the problem.
In Canada, people have tuned their Ecodiesels to shut off the EGR to run more efficiently. Here in the US the EPA has gone after everyone who modified and tuned their Ecodiesel.
Love my EcoDiesel ! Won’t be buying a fully electronic or twin turbo V6 anytime soon if ever.
Had a 2014 Jeep Grand Cherokee with the eEco Diesel and had nothing but issues with it over the two years of ownership. 28 times it spent two or more days at the dealer being “repaired” on one occasion it was at the dealer for 30 plus days.
That's a bummer. Our '14 is going on 130k miles & runs like a top.
@@audreyssingingadventures6475 Totally agree, spent a ton of money on it. Loved the look, fuel economy and sound it made. It would go into limp mode and wouldn’t go over 55, multiple different dealers attempted to repair it, loaded different diagnostic firmware on it looking for issue. At times with these different firmwares I’d get 31-35 miles per gallon other ones mileage would drop to 15-18 miles per gallon. The worst issue was the huge clouds of smoke that would come out from under the engine after driving at highway speeds, stop at the end of exit ramp, at times cloud would engulf vehicle other times it wouldn’t be that bad, but still concerning. After all diagnostic attempts they couldn’t figure out what was happening and I had to give up, got tired of fighting what seemed to be a losing battle.
I actually just bought a 2022 Bighorn EcoDiesel yesterday. And I absolutely love it. Low miles and in great shape. Can’t wait to drive this truck for 10-15 years. I still wanna get back into a 2500. But the gas mileage is why I went with the 1/2 ton. And I have plans to use the towing power that comes with it. Love this truck!
Would love to have a new one but the price is just getting to much. I love Diesel. Living in Northern Alberta it's a lifeline to be able to go farther that 400k on a tank of gas. Wish they kept it. Bad call RAM .
400k my 3.0 powersroke can go 850 kms on a 90 l tank one I delete it it’ll be over 1000 easy
You travel great distances. I imagine you wouldn't consider purchasing an E truck with a 300 mile ramge
@@JasonGray-f7v Yeah they would be no good to me personally. Nice vehicles but not usable in my life situation.
Government regulations aren't making our trucks more efficient or ecological. When the free market finds a solution, government almost always makes things worse, even when they claim they opposite. In the 1980s, trucks were mostly gas, and they were horribly inefficient, often getting single digit mpg around town and low teens on the highway, and much of their inefficacy was explained by horrible government mandated emissions controls that zapped them of their efficiency.
Thankfully, the brilliant free market found the solution in diesels. If people remember, you could get a Cummins 12v, which could get 25-30mpg on the highway, double what the equivalent government gas trucks could get. But now, that can't be built anymore, because it's too "dirty" and "wasteful", according government regulators.
Did we actually gain anything from any of this? No, but the market is always advancing. The Ecodiesel was the same solution to government fabricated problems, but for the lighter duty truck segment. You could get 30 mpg out of a full size truck, even with all the ridiculous after treatment systems that government forces on people. It was refined and powerful, and for people who did lots of driving, it would make tons of economic sense, because the efficiency was so good. The engine wasn't perfect, but it was a marvelous piece of engineering that met the market's demands, something government couldn't allow.
Well, government is still thinking otherwise and is now titling the scales to EVs, away from ICE engines entirely. Do people think that'll satisfy unaccountable government regulators? I doubt that. If they've been allowed this power for decades, well, what makes anyone think they just give that up? They'll have nothing better to do with themselves. They'll just make up some other issue, to remain relevant and in control. You can already see how it's shaping up for us here in California, with our perpetual lack of reliable electricity. What's to stop them from telling us how big our batteries could be, or how much we can charge them, when we can charge them? Nothing, nothing at all is going to satisfy them. We will forever be facing problems that government puts in front of us, and it will continue to pretend it has solutions to the problems it puts in front of us.
I can already see the headlines for 2035... "EVs not as clean as once thought"... "Government to set caps for charging of EVs"... "Toxins found in drinking water near Lithium recycling facility"..."Government to introduce EV battery disposal tax, form new oversight body"..."Low-frequency fields around EV batteries cause cancer for riders"..."Government to mandate new battery tech by 2040"...
Well written and spot on!
Well said.
CAFE requires cars to have a fuel efficiency base on the square footage of their wheelbase, so a mid sized truck that gets 22mpg is actually worse according to regulations than a full sized truck that gets 18mpg
@@pizzasaurolophus Yes, and that's not just true with mid-size trucks, that's just true in general. Due to CAFE, it's cheaper to make a vehicle larger, fitting it into a larger "footprint, than it is to make it more efficient, even if it lowers the overall fuel economy.
That also partly explains why "light trucks" outsell passenger cars 3-1. People say it's market demand. In reality, it's market demand based on government order.
I'd love to own a 3rd gen in a bighorn trim level, first time that's available in Canada. I think Ram is making a mistake here, there is a generation of life left here for half ton diesel. I haven't seen a catalytic converter on a fossil fuel generator smoke stack last time I checked. I really liked my 2nd gen, even after I got a big DEF bill, it's one vehicle I regretted trading (although I may have dodged a bullet).
That 3.0 GM diesel is WONDERFUL … I love it …
I absolutely love my 2014 ram 1500 ecodiesel. Personally I like it more than the 2022 ram 1500 hemi that I drive occasionally for work. It definitely doesn't feel as peppy but it's a much smoother driving experience and easily has equal towing capabilities. Doesn't hurt that the range is literally double on the diesel.
I have a 2014 Ram 1500 Ecodiesel. Got my settlement check from that incident you spoke of, and it was a nice check! Can't lie though...i'd gladly give that check back to have my torque again! That recall straight neutered my Ram! I had to install a pedal commander just to get some of it back, but it's still not the same. And i am kinda nervous about having an electric truck. Even though we THINK it may be less expensive than gas or diesel fuel, imagine the outages and shortages due to having too many people pulling electricity. I'd imagine that cost will increase drastically at that point. We will see though. Great video, guys! I am a new subscriber. Can't wait to view more of your content.
I do have a 2016 Ecodiesel with 198k km now, i love her so much...I was thinking of getting a wrangler with the Ecodiesel on it...with the current price of diesel, i only spend 82CAD travelling more than 500km...
I have ‘22 Gladiator WILLYS EcoDiesel on it’s way from the L48 to Interior Alaska. I bought it from a dealership and got a fair deal. Diesel is still above $5 a gallon at most fuel stations. Before too long the price of it will drop. I had a ‘18 Ram 3500 and experienced issues with the DEF pump and ended up selling the truck. I hopeful I do not experience any issues with this diesel but if I do well now that it will be harder to get them it may have just made my truck worth a bit more.
It’s unfortunate the direction we’re heading in regards to electric vehicles with charging times being what they are and the lack of charging stations throughout the US. Additionally, the cost to replace the battery right now is extraordinarily expensive, you’re better off buying a new vehicle. I have a hunch that oil companies are working with auto manufacturers behind the scenes and that the amount of oil reserves is dwindling much faster than expected/ predicted and we need a viable replacement.
Steve, here in Canada, will we be able to get an ED in a tradesman/bighorn? Because as of now, the cheapest ED option in Canada is in a rebel which is priced way too high for me.
@@TFT-bp8zk Leave it to a youtuber to tell all those tradesman/bighorn buyers that they're not in the truck market.
i had a 2015 ED. Mine sadly blew up and caught on fire. Great truck for the 5 years i had it
I am completely against all electric trucks. And it is not due to lack of range. And as for power, good lands, electric vehicles are a BEAST when it comes to power! 700 HP is fairly easy these days!
But I VERY stongly feel we (as a country) "have put the cart before the horse" as we say. Our power grid is NOT ready for this! We need to build a MUCH more robust power grid FIRST.......THEN start pushing (no pun intended) electric vehicles down the consumers throats.
I can not afford even a 10 year old Cummins truck. Least not in the foreseeable near future.
But when the time comes that I can buy new, it will be fuel powered or I will buy older used again!
Just bought a new 2022 RAM ECO Diesel love it runs great it's quiet plenty of power... 28MPG Sorry to see it go away!
Damn I was gonna go for one when my lease is up in 24’
I’ve heard about poor reliability with the ED. Do you think the ev future is more of an excuse than actual reason?
That’s a shame, they should continue making it.
I love my ecodiesel. Was sad to hear this. Mine is only a 2015 but only has 40k miles on it. I absolutely love the torque in my 1/2 ton pickup. It has an offroad tune and a few other mods. I think the epa had something to do with the death of the ecodiesel.
Enjoyed your segment on Ecodiesel going away, if I buy one today, will the 2023 truck loose it’s value more? Since they wont make it anymore?
My Ecodiesel 3rd generation in my Wrangler has the best power train ever offered in a Jeep. I loved the 258 I6 in my CJ7. But 5 times the power and the 8 speed automatic utilizes the power band brilliantly.
I agree with your Input, I also think GM is far ahead with their 3.0 diesel that Ram can't afford the cost to catch up. GM just revamped theirs to make it better so they're probably going to be in the game with that engine for awhile. Sad to see the diesel leave the Colorado, but who knows maybe the 3.0 will show up in these trucks as well. ??
If GM was going to put the 3.0 in the new midsized trucks, they had plenty of time to develop those trucks with it in them. They dropped the diesel for a reason.
It’s a shame they don’t just update it. Heard majority of GM 3L owners love their engines (esp with the fix to the long-crank issue). I would only have considered a Ram with the Eco but they don’t offer it in a low enough trim for me to afford. Ford also dropped its half-ton diesel so GM is only game in town. Sad.
No issues 2022 ram ecodiesel has torque for days gets 28-31 on highway 60k miles ,take care of it like any diesel . Love it
The only problems I've had with my 2014 JGC eco-diesel is the emission crap. Unfortunately I have gone from 36 mpg down to 22 mpg after the last several programming updates. Dodge claims it's all in how I am driving it now. Such bull crap. Planning on paying the $1800 to remove all the emission stuff and enjoying it again.
It's kind of funny/ironic atleast imo, but vw and fca get hit with "dieselgate" and ford and gm don't. They probably have "cheat" software too, but they're American/government owned, so no penalties for them. Either way, nothing government can do as long as you live in a low population area. :)
Turbo engines can now get close to diesel torque numbers, with the only thing still in there favor being range. The cost/mile for the average consumer is hard to justify the higher initial cost and higher maintenance/fuel costs. Also Ram understands that consumers want options, but there is a point where too many options leads to manufacturing inefficiency.
No powerstrokes please I've had my share, Drove a 3500 dually Cummins from 94 till 2019 need I say more ? and no issue at all. I've had 2 CATS & strong they are but who can afford to fix the oil leak kings ? . 2 Internationals very strong & long life's, I have the 3.0 eco in a Jeep Grand Cherokee Limited since 2014 & wow strong/fast & 29 MPG I also have a 2006 LBZ Duramax in my Silverado and again strong & fast & nearing 300 000 miles, ya think I might like Diesel ? . My choice is Dodge has the most cab room, Chevy the best handling & the Jeep best mileage. Thank you again for a good video...
I have 3 Diesels 2015 VW SEL TDI , 2014 BMW 328D , and A 2015 Jeep Grand Cherokee Overland Eco Diesel love them all and all are affected by BS
I have a 3rd Gen. In my 21' Wrangler.
To Me, It's got a Ton of Torque and is really quick off the line.But then again, I never drove a " Real Diesel " like a Cummins or Cat. or Power Stroke etc.Plus I only pull a 5x8 tag along trailer.
I recently sold my 2020 Sierra Denali with the straight 6 cylinder 3.0L diesel. I absolutely loved it. Great performance and outstanding fuel economy. If I wasn't planning on purchasing a 5th wheel in my soon to be retirement, I would have never sold it. (I now have a 22 Silverado HD with the 6.6 Duramax) This is sad to hear of yet another diesel going away. The torque and overall performance/efficiency simply cannot be matched by gasoline engines. LONG LIVE THE DIESEL!!!!!
People that tow with diesel will always love diesel …
@@sking2173 Absolutely
Sandy Munro said in one of their videos that GM invested $1B on the L6 Duramax and criticized them for the timing as to whether there would be long enough production life to justify the cost, while transitioning to electric propulsion. This was before they released the updated version. I guess they will make it available widely in the future to amortize the development cost, perhaps to the military, as happened with the 6.2L V8 diesel used in the Hummer military vehicles. This would guarantee a long production life, regardless of civilian usage.
Diesel in any non-commercial light duty or passenger vehicle is dead in a city environmental. The switch to electric will be almost total, regardless of infrastructure growing pains.
Just my two cents.
I’ll still take my diesel … This 3.0 GM diesel is the best !!
govr destroying diesels. take them out of the equation and imagine what could be produced....
Ram may be looking ahead to a big dip in sales and the economy in general coming around the bend. Not to be a downer, but now might be a good time to trim some fat just in case.
Thanks for the video guys. Yeah I agree it's sad to see the diesel go, but in reality, for 1500 series trucks as volume leaders I wonder what the up-take is now. My brother had a 2016 - 2500 that got caught up in the regs and general lack of reliability and he said "no" to a Ram when it was time for a new heavy-duty (he went with Ford). I believe this was a simple case of Stellantis allocating development $$ and decided that this engine was not worth the cost given the issues and reputation in the market.
i was watching a car show a few years ago they were talking to an italian engineer about the diesel,could hardly understand him talking how great it was.another interviewer asked it was fca at the time why they didnt ask cummins to make one for them since they made the 6.7 it was said the 3.0 lire they already had made in italy fit perfect in the truck,so why make a new one.
And there's this...remember the 5.0 V8 Cummins diesel that Nissan had in the Titan XD a few years ago?
It was meant for Dodge/Ram 1500s back in the day. After FCA bought Chrysler, they (FCA) had second thoughts and introduced the Italian 3.0 V6 diesel instead.
I love my 22 eco diesel. Its an amazing machine 30 mug on the hiway. If they do away with the diesel why can't they use a small motor to charge the electric ram. It can take up to 45 minutes to power the electric engine but a small engine to power the electric makes more sense.
I prefer the 1500 Classic anyway. V6 (no) and V8 without any mild hybrid stuff. I hope they keep it building it forever because it's basically a commercial vehicle.
I'm looking at buying Eco-diesel very soon. My problem with electric vehicles is they didn't try and look at other forms of energy. There are other fuels to look at.
Now I would absolutely NOT purchase a 3.0 eco diesel at this time for 2 reasons:
1: finding a future qualified mechanic to service the very specialized eco diesel
2: Parts. There are many updated parts, some very recent, but supply of those parts are very limited to the supply chain shortages and good luck finding parts in the future now that the eco diesel is being canceled!
Big mistake RAM. Another WOKE company.
It’s regulations and emission control costs on the engine vs a hybrid or gasoline turbo that’s cheaper to build and has less problems
more interested in the new 3.0 litre turbo moter.whats it replacing the 5.7,the pentastaretc
I have a 2019 Ram 1500 Classic Ecodiesel and I love it. Traded my 2021 1500 Hemi new body style for it and would never trade back. Maybe the 2023 1500 Ram Big Horn Ecodiesel will be in my near future... last chance!
Two people I know have resorted to lemon law buybacks for their new GM diesel trucks, which seems to fall in line with the adage that older diesels, sans the emissions equipment, were night and day superior to modern ones. I owned one diesel, a VW, and it was running just fine at 500k miles, but there’s no compelling reason to buy another diesel given the laughable fuel cost penalty. Meanwhile my 20 year old Ford gas pickup is tough as an anvil.
Well said!
you guys are so much fun...
I've a got a diesel Gladiator, and @ 30k, all the emissions stuff is coming off.
Yeah all you can find on the used market is just the straight 5.7 gas, not even the e torque....
I heard Tom Cruise is starring in a new movie where he plays a VW executive, it’s called emission impossible.
My ‘16 Ecodiesel was a disaster…great mileage, right up until the EGR failed at 37k miles. Then the reprogramming debacle that made the truck almost undrivable. Won’t miss it!
EV is not the future until you’re guaranteed 1000 miles between charges under load. Minimum. Garbage
Diesel fuel cost is what went wrong. Let's go Brandon!
the cost of oil changes and maintenance is what made me go with a gas half ton truck versus diesel.
The performance of a diesel is why I prefer them to gas in a truck.
In a minivan, the 3.6 MOPAR engine is tops, but I don’t tow with the van. I don’t want the 3.6 in my truck.
It cost $200 for an oil change. This is not a joke. It's $200.i have one. However you go 10k between oil changes
In the US, It seems like the used truck market for Ram(2014-2019) is flooded with second gen EcoDiesels. Interesting that volume was 20% the first year, as I feel like it looks closer to 50/50 when I window shop trucks online.
The comment of about ram discontinuing the eco-diesel because of a future EV truck is ridiculous. My coworker bought a Ford lightning with the extended range battery. He got 287 miles on one charge from full to empty which you’re not supposed to do with an electric vehicle. He towed his trailer and had to stop and charge in just 127 miles. If you need a truck around town I’m OK with that but if you need a truck to tow a trailer, you need a diesel.
Rather drive my ford Lightning Pro, no I don’t drive 500 miles a day or tow. Could riddance to diesel and the $5 a gallon that goes with it!
The reason Ford stoped was because there 3.0 diesel came from a Jag and is greatly outdated. Ram's 3.0 was designed for a Cadillac Europe. Ram and Ford do not want to spend the money to keep up with GM's new truck 3.0 diesel. Gm was late to the party but did they ever show up strong. I did own a eco diesel that was tuned to run without the EGR, helped it a-lot. I just bought a 22 3.0 Duramax and this thing is great. Absolutely no turbo lag . I just drove the truck on a trip for 2800 miles. My average mpg was 27.7, my speed was 60 to 85, mostly 75. Also you said ram has a new turbo V6. I thought it was a straight 6.
I have a 2022 ecodiesel bighorn and love it so far. Great fuel economy and tows just fine.
Going All Electric is unrealistic; they can kiss market share goodbye.
they were made in italy,and didnt they have a lot of issues with the first ones.after they fixed the the issues i think.
i have a question: can someone contact RAM and make a legit licensed (enhanced/customized) version of the Ecodiesel? Ssangyong had licensed and rebranded Mercedes Diesel engines in their trucks/SUVs in the past so can someone else do it with the Ecodiesel i wonder?
Diesels are fantastic, but oil giants HATE letting consumers have the option for more fuel-efficient vehicles.
Why are diesels still successful & plentiful in Europe & Australia? It's not that they know something we don't know, it's that they don't have the aggressive lobbying & anti-diesel "emissions standards" that we do here in NA, however, they're getting there. There's certain places in cities that are "non diesel" zones, and even non-ICE zones are starting to pop up too, so that now EV giants can have their cake, forcing people to buy them.
EV cannot tow with distance. Ecodiesel is an efficient engine that can tow. Only a Hybrid Ecodiesel can be better for both daily driver and towing. I dont know if that was even considered but it makes a lot of sense for me as a customer.
They should bring back the Dakota mid size truck
italian manufacturer of these engines, VM motori is going to close production soon
What about the 3 liter in the jeep?
It's being axed as well, so if you are overlanding there will be no longer a long range engine :( until the EV boys find a way... It will take a while
The reasons are 2 fold. It couldn't pass emissions. It's warranty costs were outrageously high.
I love my 2021 RAM Rebel. Works great but if I have to replace it with the available options left, I'll be getting a DuraMax... And I really dislike GM... Maybe the Hurricane will work out.
I had a Ram ecodiesel & it was the biggest turd I have ever owned. FCA had no idea how to fix it, so I lemon lawed it & FCA had to buy it back. Stellantis needs to up their game in their service departments & quit worrying about their marketing. Please the customers & they will buy more. Piss off the customers & they will not buy & they will tell everyone else not to buy.
I like diesels, just not these modern diesels. They make great power but the emissions just kill them. EGR chokes them to death. DPF filters get clogged. DEF injectors get clogged, or heaters fail. The emissions just make them not worth owning. On top of that, gasoline is coming down and diesel is still holding high. I loved my ZR2 diesel but got rid of it before the inevitable emissions issues. I already had poor DEF quality messages a few times on road trips.
I got the dreaded , Engine Won’t Restart in XX miles DEF System See Dealer!
The Ecodiesel is nothing but problems here in the US with the EPA. Those in Canada who have tuned them are very happy with their performance. The message Improper DEF detected will be followed by the above. Only a diesel mechanic or Ram dealership has the specific software to clear them. People have been stuck driving on a long trip getting the message stranded trying to locate a mechanic who could help.
The EPA was struck down from mandating nothing!
I’m sorry but a fully electric truck doesn’t make since if you tow or do long distance driving.
A hybrid might do better.
Volkswagen did more harm to diesel than anything else. Rams early ecodiesel emissions recall and litigation didn't help either but it was baby $#!+ compared to Volkswagen. The days of the small efficient diesel are unfortunately over. People would rather have EV and switch the emissions from their tailpipe to the power plants stack the next town over.
Will the diesel be sticking around in the gladiator? Or is 4xE all that's going to be left?
the diesel in all models are going.
I'm sure jeep will announce with new hurricane engine shortly. I have a diesel gladiator, love it, but the shape of the gladiator does not allow enough cooling to get the most of the diesel
@@TruckKing The EV WOKE “Green New Deal” movement is the biggest scam in power generation utilities and consumer automotive history; especially in the truck & large suv segment that require heavy payloads, medium to long rage towing, extended off road use and long distance travel applications.
Do the math:
“Diesel is the most efficient combustion engine fuel source, carrying 38 kilowatt hours of energy in every gallon - 27 times that of lithium ion batteries.”
Dropping diesel, gas and then PHEV engines, totally nuts as everyone seems to forget about the limitations of todays power grid.
Like diesel and gasoline, the energy density of coal and natural gas are superior to the best lithium batteries for power generation and “energy storage”.
In fact, it may take up to 30 years and trillions of dollars in constant upgrades to provide reliable and affordable net zero green power generation & power energy storage just to attempt to keep up with the increasing EV charging demands, not to mention the massive growing illegal foreign migration being allowed into the USA at alarming rates.
In fact, it is estimated that these undocumented, illegal immigrants will increase power grid utility demands over 25% yearly if the trend doesn’t stop immediately.
Further, as coal and natural gas power plants are being replaced with wind, solar and costly battery storage required to balance the grid, states doing so on large scales are FAILING; resulting in both blackouts and consumers leaving the states by masses unable to afford the significant constant utility bill increases, required for net zero power generation / battery energy storage.
In conclusion:
It’s totally premature to delete natural gas & coal power generation, diesel, v8 gas and then PHEV engines being replaced by today’s unaffordable EV trucks and large SUVs that are also dysfunctional in many applications and green energy power generation all require expensive degrading toxic battery storage, the mathematical realities are already proving doing so at this point in time is absolutely nuts.
This was a flawed engine which never could redeem itself as it was plagued with reliability. It cost the company so much money.
I always thought GM Should put there 3.0L in the GMC Canyon and Chevy Colorado
Won't fit. They couldn't even fit it in the suburban for a while there. I watched one of the chief engineers say they literally designed the current half ton around the i6 to make sure the packaging would work. And it would also be too heavy for the smaller truck, no payload left. But they should have definitely continued development on the i4 diesel in that little truck.
That engine would be great in the Colorado, even if it took a redesign to shoehorn it in.
As it is, the 2023 only comes with that 2.7 turbo lump … I’m not interested.
If I were in the market for that truck, I’d shop for a good used 2.8 diesel.
i think it's because of carbon credits or something like that
The metaninace is ridiculous on disels
First Ford and now Ram, the GM will follow suit in the next couple years
Get gov out of making trucks
Is that just reliability issues that ppl are iffy and so they just go with the hemi not create a hemi 🤷🤷🤷. Like you said the emissions for the diesel engine hurts it.
I'd like to try a Diesel once, It would be for the experience though not cost savings, I think in the end would cost me more with the price of diesel and oil changes, def fluid.
I love burning dinosaurs. Batteries not so much.
Did the lawsuits for Ram lying about the emissions and mileage data about the Ecodiesel have anything to do with it ?? I know people that got settlements so don’t tell me it didn’t happen.
Good luck towing a 5000 lb RV trailer 800 miles with the all electric Ram 1500 before needy to charge it in less than 10 minutes which the eco diesel can do!
It's not a V6. The Hurricane is an I6.
The Eco underperformed vs the baby Duramax. I’ll take a trail boss Duramax all damn day.