MQ-28 Ghost Bat Program - New Funding & Absorbed Measures
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 20 ส.ค. 2024
- Senator Fawcett questions the Department of Defence over funding announcements for the MQ-28 "Ghost Bat" program, and absorbed measures.
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Outstanding ……Senator Fawcett……..ADF ‘leadership’ (loosely applied) very evasive and underwhelming!
The more bling they wear,the more useless they are.
And if it was a group OR's they would throw the DFDA book at them with findings that members to pay.
All those whinging about the leadership of the defence need to start looking re closely at the current government who has failed the defence and all Australians
@@tonyscrimshaw869 I gather you are having a crack at me included…….I have no faith in the current government or the former for that matter as far as leaders go either, (especially in defence circles) but that wasn’t the subject for which I commented……the CDF has a ‘set’, I assume…he / they (whatever they have now become) should be laying the ground rules for how the organisation operates…..it is now run by background bean counters and advisors….Senator Fawcett who has the credibility and military experience to ask these questions has poked holes everywhere and the responses have been less than impressive! (My opinion….and for what it’s worth yes I have served so I have a passing interest)!
Wearing a uniform does not you a qualified person to manage tax payers money- that is obvious
Give them everything they need! Funding should increase (not decrease) to protect our country.
Program cut backs, capability cut backs !!
Well spoken Sir
We need about 650 loyal wingman/ghost bats
Your belief a loyal wingman /ghost bat would would be 10 percent of the cost of a JSF comes from the way in Conjob Conroy created that impression that there was any hope of making a Ghost Bat for 10 percent of the price of a JSF. At the Press Conference Conjob Conroy said Boeing hopes to make aircraft at 10 percent of the cost of a manned aircraft such as the Joint Strike Fighter. Low Cost Attritable Aircraft Technology (LCAAT) project has been abandoned by the USA and someone forgot to tell Boeing and Conjob Conroy. The USA has totally abandoned that project although I would speculate that since they mention R2D2 often the enough the real goal at some future point is to bolt in an AI Unit further down the track into old aircraft that have life support defects or inoperable radar or any other defects and are basically 10 percent of the value of a new fully-functional aircraft.
Boeing is no longer participating in US Skyborg. That's right if Boeing couldn't be bothered to stay in the Skyborg competition then that says a lot about GhostBat being far behind the offering from the others while claiming it was because they were too busy in Australia. Recent UAVs including Boeing's MQ-25 Stingray and Northrop X-47 A B Pegasus and XQ-58A Valkyrie were developed faster and are far more mature and probably not being proceeded with though it's likely Northrop is flying secret spy planes based on those. Given the entire DARPA project and the US Navy and the move to new data links and entire new battlespace command system with Artificial Intelligence and it could be that not one cent or one technology from this 1 billion of Australian taxpayers money will be used in the future by any manufacturer anywhere.
The Ghost Bat program is owned by Boeing and not Australia. The only way it assists in making aircraft at 10 percent of the cost of a manned aircraft as claimed by Conjob Conroy and Boeing? The 14th Production Lot of Joint Strike Fighters was 78 USD million ($118,507,350 AUD) per JSF. So if Boeing sells Australia 3 GhostBats at a cost of the one billion development and then 10 percent of AUD$118,507,350 each by pretending they are 1/10 the price of a Joint Strike Fighter and which Boeing own three (3 )so by paying Boeing an extra 36 million is the only way Ghostbats will be 10 percent of a normal manned aircraft price. "In February 2024 the Australian Government announced a further A$400 million in funding for three more aircraft, built to the new "Block 2" standard" With those presumably to be owned by Boeing and maybe rebuilds of the previous. If they are suitable as target towing aircraft then the cost of each of them might end up as an entire project cost of $1,035,552,205 per Ghost Bat Target Towing Aircraft. Someone saying that Australia needs 650 supposed Loyal Wingman Ghost Bats. Whereas the various US prototypes have been basically abandoned they were at least capable of landing and taking off on carriers or dropping bombs or firing missiles and also having more US Stealth developments.
The USA does have line items in the most recent Budget approved by Congress consistent UAV and Artificial Intelligence but does not seem to be a total endorsement of the plans by the current US Air Force Defense Secretary. Kendall had said he wants a Collaborative Combat Aircraft to come in at no more than about a third of the cost of the F-35, which in the last acquisition lot cost about $80 million for the Air Force version, translating to a CCA unit cost of about $27 million. A force of 2,000 CCAs could thus be a $54 billion bill for the Air Force, not counting sustainment, upgrades, or inflation. Kendall also said that at those prices, the CCA is not meant to be expendable, but a workhorse system with an indefinite service life. So thirty percent instead of the 10 percent still touted by Conjob Conroy and Boeing in Australia. Leaving off the pilot and RADAR and somehow lower and slower and no stealth to get to 30 percent is not going to work for a Collaborative Combat Aircraft. The Secretary of the Airforce Kendall idea of 30 percent or 27 million is very close to the current 21 million USD for each US -made Boeing Red Hawk. Australia when it rushes to buy votes and build those might pay 42 million USD or 54 percent of the price of a Joint Strike Fighter.
Which would be a long way away 10 percent touted by Conjob Conroy and Boeing. By comparison a Cessna Citation In 2023, Retail CJ3+ equipped price was $11.855M and the cheapest smallest being built. $2.3 million AUD$3,461,845 typically-equipped SF50 Single Engine Cirrus Jet. Embraers 5 million. Making those with datalinks and not capable of anything except being remote controlled targets might double or triple the price to fit in with Conjob Conroy vision of 10 percent. The whole Billion of taxpayers money has gone to buy votes and lobbyists and press releases and tv appearances and it's not coming back. But basically the billion could have bought 288 Single Engine Cirrus jets and the supposed 400 Australian workers benefiting from the Billion could have been flying around in them. At least Boeing apart from the money can be the proud owner of three Ghost Bats. A lifetime of average adult wages is possibly still close to 1,000,000. So giving a thousand ALP voters one million would have had more social justice and equity. There are plenty of pundits and Boeing lobbyists falling over to say how wonderful the GhostBat and Conjob Conroy are for far less than one million dollars each. I can easily find 400 ALP voters if Conjob Conroy wants to give me one billion of taxpayers money. The number of people who would consider any normal Boeing widebody quasi Artificial Intelligence advanced autopilots satisfactory to be flying anywhere near cities or towns without a pilot on board would be zero and how anyone who expected three GhostBats to get to normal Boeing reliability did not care a rats-arse.
Why do all the attendees appear to be squirming when they answers fairly straight forward questions?
Because liars need to have a good memory,its hard giving BS answers if youve got a bad memory.
Because they have NFI what they are doing.
Head of ADF Angus Campbell looks really interested in the proceedings... playing on his phone! Only to be outdone by the RAAF's Air Marshal Robert Chipman's vacuous answers. Aussie citizens should be worried... very worried... that this is what we've got leading our armed forces. No wonder the ADF can't recruit or retain enough servicemen.
Hey now. Ive played some of my most rewarding Angry Birds games in team meetings.
They all look pretty uncomfortable. About having to justify their jobs. We do need them though.
Thanks for raising this, if I'm sent to war I'll be glad to know someone cares about maintenance
Asking money on the submarines too
Money spent on Australian defense is money well spent.
I doubt you'd send your kids to the front lines if war broke out...
At the Press Conference Conjob Conroy said Boeing hopes to make aircraft at 10 percent of the cost of a manned aircraft such as the Joint Strike Fighter. Low Cost Attritable Aircraft Technology (LCAAT) project has been abandoned by the USA and someone forgot to tell Boeing and Conjob Conroy. The USA has totally abandoned that project although I would speculate that since they mention R2D2 often the enough the real goal at some future point is to bolt in an AI Unit further down the track into old aircraft that have life support defects or inoperable radar or any other defects and are basically 10 percent of the value of a new fully-functional aircraft.
Boeing is no longer participating in US Skyborg. That's right if Boeing couldn't be bothered to stay in the Skyborg competition then that says a lot about GhostBat being far behind the offering from the others while claiming it was because they were too busy in Australia. Recent UAVs including Boeing's MQ-25 Stingray and Northrop X-47 A B Pegasus and XQ-58A Valkyrie were developed faster and are far more mature and probably not being proceeded with though it's likely Northrop is flying secret spy planes based on those. Given the entire DARPA project and the US Navy and the move to new data links and entire new battlespace command system with Artificial Intelligence and it could be that not one cent or one technology from this 1 billion of Australian taxpayers money will be used in the future by any manufacturer anywhere.
The Ghost Bat program is owned by Boeing and not Australia. The only way it assists in making aircraft at 10 percent of the cost of a manned aircraft as claimed by Conjob Conroy and Boeing? The 14th Production Lot of Joint Strike Fighters was 78 USD million ($118,507,350 AUD) per JSF. So if Boeing sells Australia 3 GhostBats at a cost of the one billion development and then 10 percent of AUD$118,507,350 each by pretending they are 1/10 the price of a Joint Strike Fighter and which Boeing own three (3 )so by paying Boeing an extra 36 million is the only way Ghostbats will be 10 percent of a normal manned aircraft price. "In February 2024 the Australian Government announced a further A$400 million in funding for three more aircraft, built to the new "Block 2" standard" With those presumably to be owned by Boeing and maybe rebuilds of the previous. If they are suitable as target towing aircraft then the cost of each of them might end up as an entire project cost of $1,035,552,205 per Ghost Bat Target Towing Aircraft. Someone saying that Australia needs 650 supposed Loyal Wingman Ghost Bats. Whereas the various US prototypes have been basically abandoned they were at least capable of landing and taking off on carriers or dropping bombs or firing missiles and also having more US Stealth developments.
The USA does have line items in the most recent Budget approved by Congress consistent UAV and Artificial Intelligence but does not seem to be a total endorsement of the plans by the current US Air Force Defense Secretary. Kendall had said he wants a Collaborative Combat Aircraft to come in at no more than about a third of the cost of the F-35, which in the last acquisition lot cost about $80 million for the Air Force version, translating to a CCA unit cost of about $27 million. A force of 2,000 CCAs could thus be a $54 billion bill for the Air Force, not counting sustainment, upgrades, or inflation. Kendall also said that at those prices, the CCA is not meant to be expendable, but a workhorse system with an indefinite service life. So thirty percent instead of the 10 percent still touted by Conjob Conroy and Boeing in Australia. Leaving off the pilot and RADAR and somehow lower and slower and no stealth to get to 30 percent is not going to work for a Collaborative Combat Aircraft. The Secretary of the Airforce Kendall idea of 30 percent or 27 million is very close to the current 21 million USD for each US -made Boeing Red Hawk. Australia when it rushes to buy votes and build those might pay 42 million USD or 54 percent of the price of a Joint Strike Fighter.
Which would be a long way away 10 percent touted by Conjob Conroy and Boeing. By comparison a Cessna Citation In 2023, Retail CJ3+ equipped price was $11.855M and the cheapest smallest being built. $2.3 million AUD$3,461,845 typically-equipped SF50 Single Engine Cirrus Jet. Embraers 5 million. Making those with datalinks and not capable of anything except being remote controlled targets might double or triple the price to fit in with Conjob Conroy vision of 10 percent. The whole Billion of taxpayers money has gone to buy votes and lobbyists and press releases and tv appearances and it's not coming back. But basically the billion could have bought 288 Single Engine Cirrus jets and the supposed 400 Australian workers benefiting from the Billion could have been flying around in them. At least Boeing apart from the money can be the proud owner of three Ghost Bats. A lifetime of average adult wages is possibly still close to 1,000,000. So giving a thousand ALP voters one million would have had more social justice and equity. There are plenty of pundits and Boeing lobbyists falling over to say how wonderful the GhostBat and Conjob Conroy are for far less than one million dollars each. I can easily find 400 ALP voters if Conjob Conroy wants to give me one billion of taxpayers money. The number of people who would consider any normal Boeing widebody quasi Artificial Intelligence advanced autopilots satisfactory to be flying anywhere near cities or towns without a pilot on board would be zero and how anyone who expected three GhostBats to get to normal Boeing reliability did not care a rats-arse.
Ghost bat time! Love the fact that the dudes cannot answer the questions
All too little,too late.
How about the good senator delving into all those programs and projects where his own parties ministers interfered with the selection process and overode the selection teams decisions to pick capabilities that were based on electorate vulnerability. I can think of at least 5 where we wasted over more than $1bn each on average in my time. funnily enough all those major programs have resulted in compromised capability and multiple platform types being literally buried. Not one peek however from the Libs on how they were instrumental in forcing selection despite uniforms wanting something established and tested.
and then there are all the ministerial reps who attended gate reviews, caused delays as they didn't know their briefs and blew out project timelines even further
if you want to be sincere in yr concerns then delve into what procurement destruction your own party has caused in the last you were in govt and is flowing into real world consequwnces today
hypocrites
The CDF is so interested in his Defence Force that he is on his mobile a majority of the time. I suppose when you are a woke general you need to keep up with what’s on social media right
At the Press Conference Conjob Conroy said Boeing hopes to make aircraft at 10 percent of the cost of a manned aircraft such as the Joint Strike Fighter. Low Cost Attritable Aircraft Technology (LCAAT) project has been abandoned by the USA and someone forgot to tell Boeing and Conjob Conroy. The USA has totally abandoned that project although I would speculate that since they mention R2D2 often the enough the real goal at some future point is to bolt in an AI Unit further down the track into old aircraft that have life support defects or inoperable radar or any other defects and are basically 10 percent of the value of a new fully-functional aircraft.
Boeing is no longer participating in US Skyborg. That's right if Boeing couldn't be bothered to stay in the Skyborg competition then that says a lot about GhostBat being far behind the offering from the others while claiming it was because they were too busy in Australia. Recent UAVs including Boeing's MQ-25 Stingray and Northrop X-47 A B Pegasus and XQ-58A Valkyrie were developed faster and are far more mature and probably not being proceeded with though it's likely Northrop is flying secret spy planes based on those. Given the entire DARPA project and the US Navy and the move to new data links and entire new battlespace command system with Artificial Intelligence and it could be that not one cent or one technology from this 1 billion of Australian taxpayers money will be used in the future by any manufacturer anywhere.
The Ghost Bat program is owned by Boeing and not Australia. The only way it assists in making aircraft at 10 percent of the cost of a manned aircraft as claimed by Conjob Conroy and Boeing? The 14th Production Lot of Joint Strike Fighters was 78 USD million ($118,507,350 AUD) per JSF. So if Boeing sells Australia 3 GhostBats at a cost of the one billion development and then 10 percent of AUD$118,507,350 each by pretending they are 1/10 the price of a Joint Strike Fighter and which Boeing own three (3 )so by paying Boeing an extra 36 million is the only way Ghostbats will be 10 percent of a normal manned aircraft price. "In February 2024 the Australian Government announced a further A$400 million in funding for three more aircraft, built to the new "Block 2" standard" With those presumably to be owned by Boeing and maybe rebuilds of the previous. If they are suitable as target towing aircraft then the cost of each of them might end up as an entire project cost of $1,035,552,205 per Ghost Bat Target Towing Aircraft. Someone saying that Australia needs 650 supposed Loyal Wingman Ghost Bats. Whereas the various US prototypes have been basically abandoned they were at least capable of landing and taking off on carriers or dropping bombs or firing missiles and also having more US Stealth developments.
The USA does have line items in the most recent Budget approved by Congress consistent UAV and Artificial Intelligence but does not seem to be a total endorsement of the plans by the current US Air Force Defense Secretary. Kendall had said he wants a Collaborative Combat Aircraft to come in at no more than about a third of the cost of the F-35, which in the last acquisition lot cost about $80 million for the Air Force version, translating to a CCA unit cost of about $27 million. A force of 2,000 CCAs could thus be a $54 billion bill for the Air Force, not counting sustainment, upgrades, or inflation. Kendall also said that at those prices, the CCA is not meant to be expendable, but a workhorse system with an indefinite service life. So thirty percent instead of the 10 percent still touted by Conjob Conroy and Boeing in Australia. Leaving off the pilot and RADAR and somehow lower and slower and no stealth to get to 30 percent is not going to work for a Collaborative Combat Aircraft. The Secretary of the Airforce Kendall idea of 30 percent or 27 million is very close to the current 21 million USD for each US -made Boeing Red Hawk. Australia when it rushes to buy votes and build those might pay 42 million USD or 54 percent of the price of a Joint Strike Fighter.
Which would be a long way away 10 percent touted by Conjob Conroy and Boeing. By comparison a Cessna Citation In 2023, Retail CJ3+ equipped price was $11.855M and the cheapest smallest being built. $2.3 million AUD$3,461,845 typically-equipped SF50 Single Engine Cirrus Jet. Embraers 5 million. Making those with datalinks and not capable of anything except being remote controlled targets might double or triple the price to fit in with Conjob Conroy vision of 10 percent. The whole Billion of taxpayers money has gone to buy votes and lobbyists and press releases and tv appearances and it's not coming back. But basically the billion could have bought 288 Single Engine Cirrus jets and the supposed 400 Australian workers benefiting from the Billion could have been flying around in them. At least Boeing apart from the money can be the proud owner of three Ghost Bats. A lifetime of average adult wages is possibly still close to 1,000,000. So giving a thousand ALP voters one million would have had more social justice and equity. There are plenty of pundits and Boeing lobbyists falling over to say how wonderful the GhostBat and Conjob Conroy are for far less than one million dollars each. I can easily find 400 ALP voters if Conjob Conroy wants to give me one billion of taxpayers money. The number of people who would consider any normal Boeing widebody quasi Artificial Intelligence advanced autopilots satisfactory to be flying anywhere near cities or towns without a pilot on board would be zero and how anyone who expected three GhostBats to get to normal Boeing reliability did not care a rats-arse.
He a shifty operator! Artful dodger!
And I'm retiring shortly, so I really don't give a bats s***
CDF getting all info from Wikipedia..
Now i feel safe with the US telling us what to do. Ho hum bite my bum !
At a guess, selling Helicopter parts is the funding source instead of sending complete units to democracies who are at war.
What wars ? What democracies at war ? Since when has Australia 🇦🇺 declared war on a country?? You mean assisting in carrying out Terrorist activities against other countries ??? Explain yourself ??? Andrej Kondisenko’s Cairns Australia 🇦🇺
What a lot of smoke and mirrors
Professionals in question avoidance