Well I applied got considered medical unfit because I went on anti depressants after a break up 10 years ago, they said it's because you would be around live ammunition.. i said I have 10 firearms now what are you talking about.. as far as I'm concerned there are total joke. Good luck with finding people to fill your roles. Perhaps more lgbq people is more appropriate 😅😅😅
@@jasoar1563 it appears they have become so risk averse that almost nobody will be suitable soon. Part of it is they have altered the psych test to exclude certain characteristics that are essential to a military but require good leadership. Civilian recruitment services that take the best part of a year to complete testing and induction. Preferencing racial and gender types. The reason we treat our war dead and wounded with such care is largely to show their comrades how they will be looked after should they fall. We do no such thing for our military post service. They are discarded with little care or concern, cut off from their chosen family. Permanently disabled members should be able to remain under the colours in training, support and recruitment roles, passing on hard won experience. The risk aversion is partly political but mostly it a general lack of accountability, authority has been dragged higher and responsibility pushed lower which has degraded trust and punishes risk taking in an inherently risky environment. I suspect the true role of defence has been forgotten by the public service and transitional governments.
Australia will never get the volunteers as they did in ww1 and ww2. The only choice for Australia to have a decent defence is national service. But the government too ignorant to understand that.
Bingo. What anti air protection does Australia's strategic assets have right now. What air raid shelters are accessible to everyday Australians ? Zero there is none . Zero Zilch.
And the little we've had has been used to defend the navy and the air farce. Like for the last 5 decades the army's AD could provide light last layer defence for a single air farce base. Or protection for the navy vessels the navy buys without air defence. That's the same air farce that does not have any long legged strike air craft or anything vageuly resmebling an actual fighter and nothing for air superiority. The best air defence we have is the 3 Hobart class DDGs. Which have shallow magazines and which we can really only expect two to be available - and then only if they surge them.
@@1337flitehow are you unironically saying that the RAAF has no 'actual fighters'? Its true that the ADF has neglected air defence (and the Army had none until NASAMs), but the IAMD program is to join up AEGIS, NASAMs, and US THAAD and Patriot units that would be deployed to Australia when war became obviois.
Ground based air defense is neglected because our Defence is guaranteed by the US Military, paid for in blood by our soldiers in Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan
Australia does not have an air and missile defence system meaning that our cities, ports and airfields can be easily attacked by a foreign power. This video is nothing more than a group of individuals who like being seen to be using impressive jargon.
I wouldn't worry, our government has been bought and sold and so have our assets and our land and houses. There's nothing left to invade that isn't already owned by foreign powers including the government
@@XxBloggs do you not know the range of wepons systems? we have over the hirizon radar (they can provide detection and early warning) but we need systems to provide targeting data and engage threats*. we have layerd sensors (but not enough that can provide targeting data only detection) and we can only provide a token air force when it comes to air defence. granted we can shoot down some cruise missiles (a wave of 25-ish max) or aircaft (10-ish max) but after that the aircaft have to go back and be re armed. what shuld happon is 1: we and allies detect missiles or aircaft. 2: we ready our systems and provide warning to people (now that is another story) 3: we lanch our aircaft to intercept. they will thin the numbers before the get in range of land and sea based systems systems. 4: our sea based systems will engadge the threat. 5: land based sytems will mop up anything that gets through, so that no harm can come to our people and/or civilian and defense infrastructure. (we can shoot down cruise missiles but not ballistic missiles since we dont have the apropreate wepons systems like patriot. we rely on United States to defend us) But we dont HAVE these systems. and things like NASAMS are for short range air defence of airfelds (we only have enough to defend one Airfield). we cant even defend our citys.
@@XxBloggs Not sure whose assest you mean - our or theirs. PLAAF H6s have a nominal range of 6,000km and carry missile with a standoff of about 200km. PLAAN put a 60,000ish ton carrier in the water 7 years ago and they are working on more. Fleet Base West is just outside of Perth, Fleet Base East is in Sydney Harbour, RAAF Base Edinborough (JORN control and P8/P3 ASW/martime patrol aircraft) is just outside of Adelaide. How long does it to procure and bring a capability on line? When do we start worrying about it?
Degraded what a joke. We never had any. Other than a small unit of man portable units. Just enough to protect one air field. NEVER any man portable at Battalion Level. Never any that could cover troops away from an airfield. Never any on troop ships. I was on ships exercise sunk more than once. It has always been regarded as a non requirement, along with many other capabilities I watch disappear during my 27 year career. The ADF is a joke
We have Air Defence now, just not enough and not layered enough. Anyway, buying the systems os the easy bit, getting them to work together properly is the ahrd part, hence IAMD program.
Another word salad presentation from senior defence officers and public servants. Truth is we have spent billions on Defence and couldn't hold Bondi beach for 12 hours. If we are at war in the next 20 years the truth will shock the nation to its centre, we are defenceless . 1 effective miss matched Combat Bde, No subs, a dozen helicopters, An out of date Navy, A very limited Airforce, no morale and failing recruitment. We do have an excess of Generals and Senior public servants
While we are critiquing…. Can you just be honest? It is not a factual statement to say we have “no subs”. Just be truthful. We can have subs and still be vulnerable and need more. We can have subs and it still not be enough. Don’t be fake news. Just be honest.
@@jamesrowlands8971 Its too late if the World goes to War we are in no way able to defend our country our Island Home is far away except from Asia so it remains important to keep good relations with those near us. Not upset the apple cart specially with what is now happening in Europe and Middle East. By maintaining at least some defence on Northern borders gives us some safety plus South West coastlines.
@@jamesrowlands8971 ... An unaligned player, mmm sounds like those women boxers that dont want to be beat up by a male boxer that think theyre women....
Why didn’t they do anything about anything. They were in gov for the vast malty of the past 30 yrs and only now raise nuclear power. Only proposed nuclear subs on their way out the door. That discussion should have happened 15 years ago
@@peterryan4851 The Libs did the same thing all political parties do - moved money from our pockets to their mate's - an ultimately their own - pockets.
Is it me or does anyone else out there interpret this and virtually everything else to do with Senators asking questions of government officials as these government officials doing an arse covering exercise. Cannot these government people just come out and say “I agree, Senator, our defence budget is a joke” In a case of conflict we would be stuffed, within a very short period of time. And it is all preceding/present governments that are to blame.
No it not just you. They are in constant cover up because funds are most likely being redistributed elsewhere. Present and past governments have totally neglected the importance of the defence of this country. So, these people in our defence forces the so called decision makers & members of parliament have left our country vunerable.
The budget is enormous. The acquisitions we make are partly directed by Washington and the Senator's mates in the military industrial complex. That's why he published this video. He's literally been paid to betray his country and is doing so smartly.
Big country, god damn rich in resources and no way to defend itself is absolutely insane… Hope it’s not too late, but it’s really late. Love and respect to all
Senator Fawcett please be the Defence Minister because we are in danger of being left behind and possible attacks on our soil here is becoming a reality. We need better Defence Capabilities with better technology machines and personnel otherwise we are sitting ducks the citizens have no weapons the criminals and law inforcement military some what are we going to do in case of full case attack think about it.
America will never be invaded because the vast majority of its citizens are armed. Australians have been disarmed by their own Government, then our military capability has been continually reduced by BOTH major parties, we are very exposed to attack from an aggressor and have limited resources both personnel, fuel, and hardware with which to defend ourselves. Ordering submarines etc. which will take DECADES to obtain is foolish in the extreme, and too late to save the nation.
This bloke is joking! We had stuff all denial stuff for decades! Australian governments & defence officials have modelled the ADF on an expeditionary type force so we could participate in the war on terror. The ships, aircraft & equipment was purchased for that purpose. Even plan Beersheba was developed to allow for one brigade for deployment. And now the politicians are finally waking up to the fact that defence has been blowing budgets for decades and now we need to catch up. We need Air warfare destroyers & the platforms to protect them, long range strike aircraft to attack enemy shipping and cheap submarines to protect our sea lanes. Our army needs to modelled around a highly mobile force to be able to deploy to protect our long range missile batteries, airfields and ports. There is a start
Spain offered to give the RAN one of the AWD an almost exact copy. But of course we said no. If they are looking at technology I think they are really looking at laser based defence. But I think that will still be years away. But really who knows, they surely don’t tell us anything. But one thing that worries me is they are actually spending more on defence than ever. Which shows they know something they won’t tell the public.
@@garry19681 yep either that or someone is making a bit on the side! Seriously though the world is a very different place than when the Cold War ended & with America the way it is, I think we need to stand on our own two feet ( with NZ of course). Also we need to looking at our interests in Antartica as well. Cheers
This. I remember pointing out how pathetic our AD was around 911. Not because of errant airliners, but to explain to people that our military wasn't designed to fight peer competitors. Like NATO we had the possibly mistaken opinion that the next big war would be fought with skies dominated by our air forces, to such a degree that we didn't need to invest in AD.
I don't know whether anyone knows, but Senator Fawcett was the Chief Test Pilot at ARDU. As far as I am aware he was the first Army Chief Test Pilot, a position that was always filled by RAAF pilots. I had the pleasure to work with him at ARDU at the time and he is extremely intelligent, a very good test pilot, very professional and yes he would be an excellent Minister for Defence.
Australia and its defence forces needs a layered air defence system from the platoon level through to company, right up to battalion and division. We also need a layered capability for critical national infrastructure. Thus during a high intensity conflict, troops that are expeditionary have protect, while our critical infrastructure also has protection. We need layering that allows for the majority of our combat vessels and fighter aircraft to be offshore. And sill have adequate surface supplies to protect critical civilian infrastructure.
all for naught if we have no experienced people in the ADF. By experienced people, I mean the enlisted folk that actually do the work, not the senior brass earning $1/2M+ to sit in parliament and coverup everything and makeup capabilities we might have in 10+ years.
I did 33 years..we have too many officers and to many people chasing their next medal.The military is only able to fight for two weeks then capitulation. We have too many people thinking and writing papers, lack of action!
Air defence system is expensive to maintain and if you don’t produce the equipment/missiles domestically, one the cost will go through the roof and secondly you’ll probably be overwhelmed in a day or two. This system was designed initially to knock out aircraft and nuclear ballistic missiles
main problem is former CDF, too busy with rainbow and mob tokenism. As usual DMO talk in riddles and not focused on the need of the warfighter. Every program / project they are involved with they make a total mess of and the ADF gets a downgraded capability based only on price, not capability required.
OUR RESOURCES ARE NOT OWNED BY AUSTRALIA,TRY AND UNDERSTAND THAT. WE HAVE NO FISCAL THREAT FROM ANY ONE,PROPAGANDA MUNGERS. CHINA OWNS AT LEAST 10% OF AUSTRALIA LAND & INFRASTRUKTUR THE REST IS USA GERMANY,UK, & SEVERAL OTHERS WHY WOULD ANYONE WANT TO TAKE OVER SOMETHING THEY ALREADY OWN WAKE UP..
These defense bureaucrats are in complete denial. Does anyone outside of the Canberra bubble seriously think we have years to get this sorted? Australia is more likely than not to be completed rolled in the next couple of years. Better start recalling the CMF because the ADF on every level and in every branch of service are simply not capable of defending Australia. All politicians for the last 30 years are responsible for this.
It says all you need to know about Labor's attitude to Defence that the supposed Minister for Defence, ahem, sorry, the Deputy Prime Minister as he insists on being called instead of Defence Minister, is never seen at any of these Defence hearings and instead they always trot out the Assistant Minister for Climate Change and Energy. She isn't even a senior minister and has an entirely unrelated portfolio! As always happens with Labor, they talk the talk on Defence put purely as a way of politically attacking the Coalition, but they don't walk the walk on Defence and in actuality decimate it. This mob are doing it right now, just as Rudd/Gillard/Rudd did last time these chumps were in power.
@@jamesrowlands8971 You were in neither Vietnam or Afghanistan. You also are no student of history. Zip it before you make yourself look like an even greater fool. FWIW, I lived and worked in Afghanistan, and *not* as a Soldier.
I got knocked back from the ADF because I've smoked a joint like 10 years ago apparently I might still be risk of relapsing into cheech and chong and I wont able to follow orders lol
Ask for the flipping books to be provided in JSON format, can be a button to the side of their presentation. PDF is not ideal, it costs a lot to process a PDF file for meaning and it is not always accurate. JSON format is a plain text format that can be easily read, indexed, searched and summarised, PDF is a hard to read format that comes from the legacy print industry. Edit: the data they use in the flip books will be in JSON format, not a big cost to implement. Edit, edit: if the people advising you to demand legacy pdf format cannot use JSON format, they're not good advisors.
Senator, does the Australian military have observers inside Ukraine learning about this new warfare in which drones seem to be even more important than artillery?
So Australia is investing in a system that has been a total failure in Ukraine. Looks like we need to have a close look at the people who make these decisions and change them out for the benefit of the nation
yeah i agree, we do have the RAAF that has the capability to shoot planes and some types of missiles down but really we should have actual ground based air defence as NASAMs is really just to defend canberra and ship based air defence is to protect other ships and possibly coastal areas but can be everywhere at once, i think the MIM-104 Patriot would do good, if we bought 10-15 batteries that could cover major military bases and large/important cities like brisbane, sydney and darwin and airbases like tindal along with many more things
Pay more taxes then. The ADF is forced to prioritise due to budgeting constraints. AD until recently was a capability maintained but only just due to its place on the priority list. Have a look at how far down the list defence (and education for that matter) are when it comes to taxpayer money.
Negative. Step 1: cut waste Step 2: reprioritise existing funding Step 3: increase taxes Increasing taxes is step 3 We are still making a drunken orgy of step 1
@@currawong60911368Any waste of public funds generated through taxation is an abomination. To think that a person would get up, leave their family, commute to work, slave away at a job they hate, be underpaid relative to what things cost in the economy then have 30-37% of their pay taxed, only for it to be pissed away on excessive bureaucracy, bad decisions and poorly managed failed projects is completely unacceptable. There is waste across government and the public sector (ie. roadside artworks and infrastructure project blowouts) but Defence generates its own waste.. (ie. seasprite, MRH, and Tiger rotary wing capabilities, etc etc)
So, they're prioritizing a battle management system for a capability we don't yet have. Wouldn't it make more sense to purchase the weapons systems first, so we have that capability, prior to trying to have them integrated into a management system, such as AIR5333? We need to get at least some systems such as Spyder deployed, rather than wait for new technologies to be developed. We shouldn't wait for perfect, when we can get good equipment now and have the actual capability to defend our assets from cruise missile strikes. What's the plan here, ask the enemy not to shoot at us until we can purchase the perfect, new technology system? We need to protect Darwin, Tindal and our Northern bases from air attack. That's obvious. We're going to wait more than six years to get something to defend those bases? They're totally ignoring their own SDR recommendations.
with all the money wasted a contractor could of made a home grown air defence system. man i wish i was head of that, i would make sure all cites and vital assets are well protected.
Paper shuffling specialists-Canberra Defence Dept. is a bad joke. Pathetic. No value for money whatever, ripoff!!! Need tens of thousands of these things and the factories to produce them. All this pissing around is sheltered workshop makework for surplus military officers.
Any major conflict with a peer or major power would probably escalate to nukes - sabre rattling and catastrophising about vulnerabilities tends to miss this picture. It's still important to maintain advanced capabilities, but the ADF is most likely going to only ever do what it has always done - act as an expeditionary force in global conflicts. We should focus on maintaining a strong core of capabilities than can be airlifted or donated (as in Ukraine) rather than over-scaling forces. This is doubly so given the rate of military arms development - we shouldn't over expend our resources into defence when so many domestic concerns (e.g., housing, mental health) are far more of a pressing concern for our country.
Haven't watched the full vid but it was my belief we are in the process of producing our own AA missiles that supposedly compare to patriots. Dont tell me they've already cut its budget
Good questions from the senator but typical double Dutch rubbish defending their incompetence from defence force public servants, they are the waste of money.
How long does something survive with a brain but no arms and legs to defend itself? Defence Industry has a long history of systems integration. Have a communications standard and buy some damn missile systems. Thank god we are spending so much on Submarines, they will keep Australia safe from soldiers on the ground and our Airspace secure. Can we just ask really nicely that our enemies don't attack before 2030?
People not know the range of Enemy wepons systems that hit us? 1: aircaft (china has a large strategic bomber and tactical bomber fleet) 2: missiles. china has the largest missile force in the world. The People's Liberation Army Rocket Force (an entire branch of their military) and most are ballistic missiles that we cant shoot down. 3: drones. we have qwhite a few naitons that are hostile to australia and drones are cheep effective ways to strike fear into your enemies by attaking things like power staitons airports and baces. and even china has a large drone force that is getting bigger by the second. We have over the hirizon radar (they can provide detection and early warning) but we need systems to provide targeting data and engage threats. we have layerd sensors (but not enough that can provide targeting data only detection) and we can only provide a token air force when it comes to air defence. granted we can shoot down some cruise missiles (a wave of 25-ish max) or aircaft (10-ish max) but after that our aircaft have to go back and be re armed. what shuld happon is 1: we and allies detect missiles or aircaft. 2: we ready our systems and provide warning to people (now that is another story) 3: we lanch our aircaft to intercept. they will thin the numbers before the get in range of land and sea based systems systems. 4: our sea based systems will engadge the threat. 5: land based sytems will mop up anything that gets through, so that no harm can come to our people and/or civilian and defense infrastructure. (we can shoot down cruise missiles but not ballistic missiles since we dont have the apropreate wepons systems like patriot. we rely on United States to defend us) But we dont HAVE these systems. and things like NASAMS are for short range air defence of airfelds (we only have enough to defend one Airfield). we cant even defend our citys. this is why we need more wepons to defend our home.
The Senator is drunk if he thinks he's talking about a new problem. Australia has never had an air defence system since I was a kid and took an interest in the military. We had a single ait defence unit. Until the early mid 90s they had rapier. Rapier has like a less than 10km range. That got replaced with RBS70. Which had an even shorter range. In effect the entire Australian army had about as much air defence as a battallion from a NATO country. We had just enough to keep perishable skills nearly alive. Of course the navy bought shipd without air defence so when we were seding ships to the gulf the RBS70s were deployed on our supply ships, because they had no air defence weapons and we did not have enough ships to escort them. The hilarious thing was I was in a cav reg at the time whose main weapons were 50 calibre machine guns, We had to give up ALL of ourt 50 cal barrels for the Navy too - most navy ships only have 2 or 4 ;50 cals on them, and we were only sending a few ships, like 2 or 3 frigates/destoryers adn the supply ship (with our RBS 70s). I also did Pitch Black 90 at RAAF Base Tindal - guess where the Rapiers were. Defeinding Tindal. So the Air Force didn't have an anti air capabiliy to defend their own air bases, they also needed the army's AD assets. And now we;re buying what 2 NASAM batteries? Here's the truth. The Amry doesn't have an air defence capability and hasn't since world war II. We've always been in low level operations, Malaya, Viet Name, Borneo, Afghanistan or we've expected to operate under US Air Superiority. Oh and here's some more bad news - we don't have an actual fighter either.
"In effect the entire Australian army had about as much air defence as a battallion from a NATO country." There are probably platoons in the Russian army with more AD than we had in 2001.
Another huge issue is ability to produce such systems on mass we dont make anything imagine dear china things not good between us in fact its war look do you mind terribly sending us components
The weapons they are talking about all rely on the banned Huawei tech, add in China also controls all shipping into and out of Australia and our defence is now reliant on tradies with Utes, mobile phones and access yo hardware stores. Myanmar (Burma) had a revolution where the citizens over threw the government using this model agains the governments military with all of the most expensive latest and greatest US weapons.
Opinions and Excuses are just like assholes, everybody has one. Actions speak louder than words, just get it done, our Nations safety comes before all other budget requirements, if they hadn't wasted so much money on useless Art sculptures and opulent buildings in Canberra which serve no real purpose we would be better off!
Australia has no Counter Rocket Artillery Mortar systems to protect a single one of our bases and personnel and no Ballistic Missile Defence to protect our cities. How do these apparatchiks say we have layered air defence with a straight face?
If peaceful diplomacy and honest business is not working for you, try the Russian S400 air defense system. Probably much cheaper than the Patriot system from the USA. However most Australian people would prefer a peaceful existence, other than these stuffed suits that will always remain a long, long way from flesh being torn from bone. I watch these people and think they must be from another planet.
Lord we have a pathetically ill-equipped military... people need to be held accountable. Why are we funding tit jobs and transitions for service persons... We have 10,000 troops and a few of everything else.
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ADFs biggest problem is too many officers and not enough soldiers, sailors, and airmen.
Too many Public servants!
Well I applied got considered medical unfit because I went on anti depressants after a break up 10 years ago, they said it's because you would be around live ammunition.. i said I have 10 firearms now what are you talking about.. as far as I'm concerned there are total joke. Good luck with finding people to fill your roles. Perhaps more lgbq people is more appropriate 😅😅😅
@@jasoar1563 it appears they have become so risk averse that almost nobody will be suitable soon.
Part of it is they have altered the psych test to exclude certain characteristics that are essential to a military but require good leadership.
Civilian recruitment services that take the best part of a year to complete testing and induction.
Preferencing racial and gender types.
The reason we treat our war dead and wounded with such care is largely to show their comrades how they will be looked after should they fall. We do no such thing for our military post service. They are discarded with little care or concern, cut off from their chosen family. Permanently disabled members should be able to remain under the colours in training, support and recruitment roles, passing on hard won experience.
The risk aversion is partly political but mostly it a general lack of accountability, authority has been dragged higher and responsibility pushed lower which has degraded trust and punishes risk taking in an inherently risky environment.
I suspect the true role of defence has been forgotten by the public service and transitional governments.
@chrismitchell4622 may be in Canberra, but where it counts, they have been replaced with contractors.
Australia will never get the volunteers as they did in ww1 and ww2. The only choice for Australia to have a decent defence is national service. But the government too ignorant to understand that.
Ground based air defence has been neglected by the ADF for decades. That is the answer.
Bingo.
What anti air protection does Australia's strategic assets have right now.
What air raid shelters are accessible to everyday Australians ?
Zero there is none .
Zero
Zilch.
And the little we've had has been used to defend the navy and the air farce.
Like for the last 5 decades the army's AD could provide light last layer defence for a single air farce base. Or protection for the navy vessels the navy buys without air defence.
That's the same air farce that does not have any long legged strike air craft or anything vageuly resmebling an actual fighter and nothing for air superiority.
The best air defence we have is the 3 Hobart class DDGs. Which have shallow magazines and which we can really only expect two to be available - and then only if they surge them.
@@1337flitehow are you unironically saying that the RAAF has no 'actual fighters'?
Its true that the ADF has neglected air defence (and the Army had none until NASAMs), but the IAMD program is to join up AEGIS, NASAMs, and US THAAD and Patriot units that would be deployed to Australia when war became obviois.
And by the West in general.
Ground based air defense is neglected because our Defence is guaranteed by the US Military, paid for in blood by our soldiers in Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan
Australia does not have an air and missile defence system meaning that our cities, ports and airfields can be easily attacked by a foreign power. This video is nothing more than a group of individuals who like being seen to be using impressive jargon.
Which foreign power ?
The assets are so far from anywhere there is no need to spend money on it right now.
I wouldn't worry, our government has been bought and sold and so have our assets and our land and houses.
There's nothing left to invade that isn't already owned by foreign powers including the government
@@XxBloggs do you not know the range of wepons systems? we have over the hirizon radar (they can provide detection and early warning) but we need systems to provide targeting data and engage threats*. we have layerd sensors (but not enough that can provide targeting data only detection) and we can only provide a token air force when it comes to air defence. granted we can shoot down some cruise missiles (a wave of 25-ish max) or aircaft (10-ish max) but after that the aircaft have to go back and be re armed.
what shuld happon is 1: we and allies detect missiles or aircaft. 2: we ready our systems and provide warning to people (now that is another story) 3: we lanch our aircaft to intercept. they will thin the numbers before the get in range of land and sea based systems systems. 4: our sea based systems will engadge the threat. 5: land based sytems will mop up anything that gets through, so that no harm can come to our people and/or civilian and defense infrastructure. (we can shoot down cruise missiles but not ballistic missiles since we dont have the apropreate wepons systems like patriot. we rely on United States to defend us)
But we dont HAVE these systems. and things like NASAMS are for short range air defence of airfelds (we only have enough to defend one Airfield). we cant even defend our citys.
@@XxBloggs Not sure whose assest you mean - our or theirs.
PLAAF H6s have a nominal range of 6,000km and carry missile with a standoff of about 200km.
PLAAN put a 60,000ish ton carrier in the water 7 years ago and they are working on more.
Fleet Base West is just outside of Perth, Fleet Base East is in Sydney Harbour, RAAF Base Edinborough (JORN control and P8/P3 ASW/martime patrol aircraft) is just outside of Adelaide.
How long does it to procure and bring a capability on line?
When do we start worrying about it?
Degraded what a joke. We never had any. Other than a small unit of man portable units. Just enough to protect one air field. NEVER any man portable at Battalion Level. Never any that could cover troops away from an airfield. Never any on troop ships. I was on ships exercise sunk more than once. It has always been regarded as a non requirement, along with many other capabilities I watch disappear during my 27 year career. The ADF is a joke
On The Same Page. Well said that man!
We have Air Defence now, just not enough and not layered enough. Anyway, buying the systems os the easy bit, getting them to work together properly is the ahrd part, hence IAMD program.
Another word salad presentation from senior defence officers and public servants. Truth is we have spent billions on Defence and couldn't hold Bondi beach for 12 hours.
If we are at war in the next 20 years the truth will shock the nation to its centre, we are defenceless . 1 effective miss matched Combat Bde, No subs, a dozen helicopters, An out of date Navy, A very limited Airforce, no morale and failing recruitment. We do have an excess of Generals and Senior public servants
While we are critiquing….
Can you just be honest?
It is not a factual statement to say we have “no subs”.
Just be truthful.
We can have subs and still be vulnerable and need more.
We can have subs and it still not be enough.
Don’t be fake news. Just be honest.
@@B61Mod12and saying that we have a dozen helicopters, and a limoted air force.
It’s pathetic beyond belief
And Bondi Beach 12 hrs ? We couldn’t hold it for 12 minutes
@@morry19965 who could attack Bondi?
If only Senator Fawcett was our defence Minister we would be facing a safer future.
against whom.....👽👽👾👾
@@dougohboy5190. Probably from the likes of you , and your HIDDEN page and financiers .
@@dougohboy5190 it's so hard to say. A regional player. An Indo-Pacific regional player.
More specifically; Indo-Asia-Pacific.
An unaligned player.
@@jamesrowlands8971 Its too late if the World goes to War we are in no way able to defend our country our Island Home is far away except from Asia so it remains important to keep good relations with those near us. Not upset the apple cart specially with what is now happening in Europe and Middle East. By maintaining at least some defence on Northern borders gives us some safety plus South West coastlines.
@@jamesrowlands8971 ... An unaligned player, mmm sounds like those women boxers that dont want to be beat up by a male boxer that think theyre women....
Why did the Liberal Party not do anything about this when they were in power for over a decade?
Correct.
2 party Liberal/Labor merry go round is no solution to our problems.
They are just as bad as each other.
we were already at war
Why didn’t they do anything about anything. They were in gov for the vast malty of the past 30 yrs and only now raise nuclear power. Only proposed nuclear subs on their way out the door. That discussion should have happened 15 years ago
@@peterryan4851 The Libs did the same thing all political parties do - moved money from our pockets to their mate's - an ultimately their own - pockets.
@@jasonmarsh9722 ahhh, too busy pinning medals on "those who shoot unarmed children" to wonder what would happen if a peer competitor attacked us?
It amazes me how bureaucrats think they know more about the protection, security, and safety of this nation and her people.
If you look the senator up you will see that he is well placed to say what he is saying here. He is more than qualified to be asking these questions.
Its crazy, reminds me of Dads Army.
Is it me or does anyone else out there interpret this and virtually everything else to do with Senators asking questions of government officials as these government officials doing an arse covering exercise.
Cannot these government people just come out and say “I agree, Senator, our defence budget is a joke”
In a case of conflict we would be stuffed, within a very short period of time. And it is all preceding/present governments that are to blame.
No it not just you. They are in constant cover up because funds are most likely being redistributed elsewhere. Present and past governments have totally neglected the importance of the defence of this country. So, these people in our defence forces the so called decision makers & members of parliament have left our country vunerable.
All the more reason to stop following the US' illegal wars!!
The budget is enormous. The acquisitions we make are partly directed by Washington and the Senator's mates in the military industrial complex. That's why he published this video. He's literally been paid to betray his country and is doing so smartly.
All i hear is .
We got nothing!
We wasted decades & horrendous amounts of taxpayers money & have nothing to show for it.
Australia needs to build its own air defense and defense manufacturing, starting with ending Foreign ownership of ADI!
Bit hard to do that if we're shutting down our oil refineries. Where will we get the propellant?
$50 billion for what and when?
Big country, god damn rich in resources and no way to defend itself is absolutely insane…
Hope it’s not too late, but it’s really late.
Love and respect to all
All about the money.
Who benefits
Look to the Super Powers in World Organisations for that.
And this Senator gets funding from Lockheed Martin and Raytheon probably.
Senator Fawcett please be the Defence Minister because we are in danger of being left behind and possible attacks on our soil here is becoming a reality. We need better Defence Capabilities with better technology machines and personnel otherwise we are sitting ducks the citizens have no weapons the criminals and law inforcement military some what are we going to do in case of full case attack think about it.
America will never be invaded because the vast majority of its citizens are armed. Australians have been disarmed by their own Government, then our military capability has been continually reduced by BOTH major parties, we are very exposed to attack from an aggressor and have limited resources both personnel, fuel, and hardware with which to defend ourselves. Ordering submarines etc. which will take DECADES to obtain is foolish in the extreme, and too late to save the nation.
@@wyattfamily8997america will never be invaded because its too hard to supply a force there. Same with us here.
The Major General spoke well at around 4min. No one really needed to say anymore after that (and maybe before).
In other words. The USA has told us what to buy. Off them...
This bloke is joking! We had stuff all denial stuff for decades! Australian governments & defence officials have modelled the ADF on an expeditionary type force so we could participate in the war on terror. The ships, aircraft & equipment was purchased for that purpose. Even plan Beersheba was developed to allow for one brigade for deployment. And now the politicians are finally waking up to the fact that defence has been blowing budgets for decades and now we need to catch up.
We need Air warfare destroyers & the platforms to protect them, long range strike aircraft to attack enemy shipping and cheap submarines to protect our sea lanes. Our army needs to modelled around a highly mobile force to be able to deploy to protect our long range missile batteries, airfields and ports. There is a start
Spain offered to give the RAN one of the AWD an almost exact copy. But of course we said no. If they are looking at technology I think they are really looking at laser based defence. But I think that will still be years away. But really who knows, they surely don’t tell us anything. But one thing that worries me is they are actually spending more on defence than ever. Which shows they know something they won’t tell the public.
@@garry19681 yep either that or someone is making a bit on the side! Seriously though the world is a very different place than when the Cold War ended & with America the way it is, I think we need to stand on our own two feet ( with NZ of course). Also we need to looking at our interests in Antartica as well.
Cheers
This. I remember pointing out how pathetic our AD was around 911. Not because of errant airliners, but to explain to people that our military wasn't designed to fight peer competitors. Like NATO we had the possibly mistaken opinion that the next big war would be fought with skies dominated by our air forces, to such a degree that we didn't need to invest in AD.
I don't know whether anyone knows, but Senator Fawcett was the Chief Test Pilot at ARDU. As far as I am aware he was the first Army Chief Test Pilot, a position that was always filled by RAAF pilots. I had the pleasure to work with him at ARDU at the time and he is extremely intelligent, a very good test pilot, very professional and yes he would be an excellent Minister for Defence.
Are those missles culturally acceptable 😂😂😂😂
If North Korea can domestically manufacture air defence systems why can’t Australia ?
Because half of their GDP goes to the military
@@De_cool_dude not true
@@avus-kw2f213 source?
@@De_cool_dude according to Wikipedia, it’s 5%
@@avus-kw2f213 ah yes, wikipedia, the most reliable source.
Australia and its defence forces needs a layered air defence system from the platoon level through to company, right up to battalion and division.
We also need a layered capability for critical national infrastructure.
Thus during a high intensity conflict, troops that are expeditionary have protect, while our critical infrastructure also has protection.
We need layering that allows for the majority of our combat vessels and fighter aircraft to be offshore. And sill have adequate surface supplies to protect critical civilian infrastructure.
all for naught if we have no experienced people in the ADF. By experienced people, I mean the enlisted folk that actually do the work, not the senior brass earning $1/2M+ to sit in parliament and coverup everything and makeup capabilities we might have in 10+ years.
Why is Tom Hamilton speaking to the desk?
I did 33 years..we have too many officers and to many people chasing their next medal.The military is only able to fight for two weeks then capitulation. We have too many people thinking and writing papers, lack of action!
I haven’t served but this is my observation also not to mention now it’s all about being woke and far left what a disgrace.
God help us, if we are relying on this lying minister and these bludging bureaucrats we are stuffed, at least the they have their little badges😂😂😂😂
Air defence system is expensive to maintain and if you don’t produce the equipment/missiles domestically, one the cost will go through the roof and secondly you’ll probably be overwhelmed in a day or two. This system was designed initially to knock out aircraft and nuclear ballistic missiles
Have we ever had land based air defence? How can you gut something that's never existed?
main problem is former CDF, too busy with rainbow and mob tokenism. As usual DMO talk in riddles and not focused on the need of the warfighter. Every program / project they are involved with they make a total mess of and the ADF gets a downgraded capability based only on price, not capability required.
Disgraceful
OUR RESOURCES ARE NOT OWNED BY AUSTRALIA,TRY AND UNDERSTAND THAT.
WE HAVE NO FISCAL THREAT FROM ANY ONE,PROPAGANDA MUNGERS.
CHINA OWNS AT LEAST 10% OF AUSTRALIA LAND & INFRASTRUKTUR THE
REST IS USA GERMANY,UK, & SEVERAL OTHERS
WHY WOULD ANYONE WANT TO TAKE OVER SOMETHING THEY ALREADY OWN
WAKE UP..
God almighty. Stop shouting.
The Welcome to Country ceremony will pacify and befriend our enemies no worries
It would certainly beat all the war talk and the strongarm tactics by a falling US to tear Australia away from our largest trade partner!!
How will we protect ourselves from Tasmania 🥱
These defense bureaucrats are in complete denial. Does anyone outside of the Canberra bubble seriously think we have years to get this sorted? Australia is more likely than not to be completed rolled in the next couple of years. Better start recalling the CMF because the ADF on every level and in every branch of service are simply not capable of defending Australia. All politicians for the last 30 years are responsible for this.
Regardless that outdated air defense might be delivered by 2060, the important thing is that Campbell keeps his medal.
The Military Industrial Complex approves of this money making enterprise.
It says all you need to know about Labor's attitude to Defence that the supposed Minister for Defence, ahem, sorry, the Deputy Prime Minister as he insists on being called instead of Defence Minister, is never seen at any of these Defence hearings and instead they always trot out the Assistant Minister for Climate Change and Energy. She isn't even a senior minister and has an entirely unrelated portfolio! As always happens with Labor, they talk the talk on Defence put purely as a way of politically attacking the Coalition, but they don't walk the walk on Defence and in actuality decimate it. This mob are doing it right now, just as Rudd/Gillard/Rudd did last time these chumps were in power.
Really " we have been safer hen we didn’t stick our nose in other countries business and following blindly US ?
Nope, very wrong...learn history.
@@BeardedChieftain how did massacring Afghan and Vietnamese children make us safer? Didn't both wars flood our streets with drugs?
@@jamesrowlands8971 You were in neither Vietnam or Afghanistan. You also are no student of history. Zip it before you make yourself look like an even greater fool. FWIW, I lived and worked in Afghanistan, and *not* as a Soldier.
Seems like there is no capacity!!!!!
The old fitted for but not with chestnut basically...these guys are trying to BS the wrong guy.
How big is australia again ?
How will you stop drone swarms and then hypersonic missiles?
Iron Dome needed outside help when the missiles started flying.
We are stuffed.
I got knocked back from the ADF because I've smoked a joint like 10 years ago apparently I might still be risk of relapsing into cheech and chong and I wont able to follow orders lol
Ask for the flipping books to be provided in JSON format, can be a button to the side of their presentation. PDF is not ideal, it costs a lot to process a PDF file for meaning and it is not always accurate. JSON format is a plain text format that can be easily read, indexed, searched and summarised, PDF is a hard to read format that comes from the legacy print industry.
Edit: the data they use in the flip books will be in JSON format, not a big cost to implement.
Edit, edit: if the people advising you to demand legacy pdf format cannot use JSON format, they're not good advisors.
Senator, does the Australian military have observers inside Ukraine learning about this new warfare in which drones seem to be even more important than artillery?
Our IAMD is insufficient. We need far more missile systems. The excuses are not acceptable.
So Australia is investing in a system that has been a total failure in Ukraine. Looks like we need to have a close look at the people who make these decisions and change them out for the benefit of the nation
yeah i agree, we do have the RAAF that has the capability to shoot planes and some types of missiles down but really we should have actual ground based air defence as NASAMs is really just to defend canberra and ship based air defence is to protect other ships and possibly coastal areas but can be everywhere at once, i think the MIM-104 Patriot would do good, if we bought 10-15 batteries that could cover major military bases and large/important cities like brisbane, sydney and darwin and airbases like tindal along with many more things
Pay more taxes then. The ADF is forced to prioritise due to budgeting constraints. AD until recently was a capability maintained but only just due to its place on the priority list. Have a look at how far down the list defence (and education for that matter) are when it comes to taxpayer money.
Negative.
Step 1: cut waste
Step 2: reprioritise existing funding
Step 3: increase taxes
Increasing taxes is step 3
We are still making a drunken orgy of step 1
@@B61Mod12 Are you talking waste in Defense or waste in Government spending in general?
@@currawong60911368Any waste of public funds generated through taxation is an abomination. To think that a person would get up, leave their family, commute to work, slave away at a job they hate, be underpaid relative to what things cost in the economy then have 30-37% of their pay taxed, only for it to be pissed away on excessive bureaucracy, bad decisions and poorly managed failed projects is completely unacceptable.
There is waste across government and the public sector (ie. roadside artworks and infrastructure project blowouts) but Defence generates its own waste.. (ie. seasprite, MRH, and Tiger rotary wing capabilities, etc etc)
So, they're prioritizing a battle management system for a capability we don't yet have. Wouldn't it make more sense to purchase the weapons systems first, so we have that capability, prior to trying to have them integrated into a management system, such as AIR5333? We need to get at least some systems such as Spyder deployed, rather than wait for new technologies to be developed. We shouldn't wait for perfect, when we can get good equipment now and have the actual capability to defend our assets from cruise missile strikes. What's the plan here, ask the enemy not to shoot at us until we can purchase the perfect, new technology system? We need to protect Darwin, Tindal and our Northern bases from air attack. That's obvious. We're going to wait more than six years to get something to defend those bases? They're totally ignoring their own SDR recommendations.
with all the money wasted a contractor could of made a home grown air defence system. man i wish i was head of that, i would make sure all cites and vital assets are well protected.
We couldn’t defeat a Boy Scout troupe
Paper shuffling specialists-Canberra Defence Dept. is a bad joke. Pathetic. No value for money whatever, ripoff!!! Need tens of thousands of these things and the factories to produce them. All this pissing around is sheltered workshop makework for surplus military officers.
How dare you soldiers demand anything of the governing bodies, that are responsible for your actions just a much, if not more.
Any major conflict with a peer or major power would probably escalate to nukes - sabre rattling and catastrophising about vulnerabilities tends to miss this picture. It's still important to maintain advanced capabilities, but the ADF is most likely going to only ever do what it has always done - act as an expeditionary force in global conflicts. We should focus on maintaining a strong core of capabilities than can be airlifted or donated (as in Ukraine) rather than over-scaling forces. This is doubly so given the rate of military arms development - we shouldn't over expend our resources into defence when so many domestic concerns (e.g., housing, mental health) are far more of a pressing concern for our country.
At least we have diversity
Having lame ducks running our military is rediculous.
Haven't watched the full vid but it was my belief we are in the process of producing our own AA missiles that supposedly compare to patriots.
Dont tell me they've already cut its budget
Good questions from the senator but typical double Dutch rubbish defending their incompetence from defence force public servants, they are the waste of money.
CTRL+C POLAND CTRL+V POLAND
I would be interested in a body language analysis of this fella, the eyes tell a story & old mate has a higher rate of fire than a CIWS.
Tom Hamilton ... what a faker.. Blinking and aa aaa aaaa saying absolutely nothing.
Go to 16 Alr and see the joke that the unit is... should be disbanded... and the equipment is even worse!!
Whats a joke? The NASAM?
Good thing you arent in charge of Defence.
Is it another one of our 'work for the dole' type units?
@@jamesrowlands8971 day care for adults
Yes, Prime Minister
How long does something survive with a brain but no arms and legs to defend itself? Defence Industry has a long history of systems integration. Have a communications standard and buy some damn missile systems. Thank god we are spending so much on Submarines, they will keep Australia safe from soldiers on the ground and our Airspace secure. Can we just ask really nicely that our enemies don't attack before 2030?
People not know the range of Enemy wepons systems that hit us? 1: aircaft (china has a large strategic bomber and tactical bomber fleet) 2: missiles. china has the largest missile force in the world. The People's Liberation Army Rocket Force (an entire branch of their military) and most are ballistic missiles that we cant shoot down. 3: drones. we have qwhite a few naitons that are hostile to australia and drones are cheep effective ways to strike fear into your enemies by attaking things like power staitons airports and baces. and even china has a large drone force that is getting bigger by the second.
We have over the hirizon radar (they can provide detection and early warning) but we need systems to provide targeting data and engage threats. we have layerd sensors (but not enough that can provide targeting data only detection) and we can only provide a token air force when it comes to air defence. granted we can shoot down some cruise missiles (a wave of 25-ish max) or aircaft (10-ish max) but after that our aircaft have to go back and be re armed.
what shuld happon is 1: we and allies detect missiles or aircaft. 2: we ready our systems and provide warning to people (now that is another story) 3: we lanch our aircaft to intercept. they will thin the numbers before the get in range of land and sea based systems systems. 4: our sea based systems will engadge the threat. 5: land based sytems will mop up anything that gets through, so that no harm can come to our people and/or civilian and defense infrastructure. (we can shoot down cruise missiles but not ballistic missiles since we dont have the apropreate wepons systems like patriot. we rely on United States to defend us)
But we dont HAVE these systems. and things like NASAMS are for short range air defence of airfelds (we only have enough to defend one Airfield). we cant even defend our citys. this is why we need more wepons to defend our home.
I can tell you have no idea how threat engagment works.
BOFFINS GALORE still in model planes and rubber band gliders "god help us because our b/cats and BOFFINS WILL BE OUTA HERE! SO QUICK
But submarines tho
The Senator is drunk if he thinks he's talking about a new problem.
Australia has never had an air defence system since I was a kid and took an interest in the military.
We had a single ait defence unit. Until the early mid 90s they had rapier. Rapier has like a less than 10km range.
That got replaced with RBS70. Which had an even shorter range.
In effect the entire Australian army had about as much air defence as a battallion from a NATO country. We had just enough to keep perishable skills nearly alive.
Of course the navy bought shipd without air defence so when we were seding ships to the gulf the RBS70s were deployed on our supply ships, because they had no air defence weapons and we did not have enough ships to escort them.
The hilarious thing was I was in a cav reg at the time whose main weapons were 50 calibre machine guns, We had to give up ALL of ourt 50 cal barrels for the Navy too - most navy ships only have 2 or 4 ;50 cals on them, and we were only sending a few ships, like 2 or 3 frigates/destoryers adn the supply ship (with our RBS 70s).
I also did Pitch Black 90 at RAAF Base Tindal - guess where the Rapiers were. Defeinding Tindal.
So the Air Force didn't have an anti air capabiliy to defend their own air bases, they also needed the army's AD assets.
And now we;re buying what 2 NASAM batteries?
Here's the truth.
The Amry doesn't have an air defence capability and hasn't since world war II.
We've always been in low level operations, Malaya, Viet Name, Borneo, Afghanistan or we've expected to operate under US Air Superiority.
Oh and here's some more bad news - we don't have an actual fighter either.
Damn F-35 haters. Read something, might make you realise that the F-35 is a good aircraft.
"In effect the entire Australian army had about as much air defence as a battallion from a NATO country."
There are probably platoons in the Russian army with more AD than we had in 2001.
Its ok.. since the Chinese own Australia let them defend it..
Another huge issue is ability to produce such systems on mass we dont make anything imagine dear china things not good between us in fact its war look do you mind terribly sending us components
1:08 ….slow down the vid a bit and watch the bizarre eye movement of the defence guy….. the “flickering” is totally weird
What a pity. Lol.
The weapons they are talking about all rely on the banned Huawei tech, add in China also controls all shipping into and out of Australia and our defence is now reliant on tradies with Utes, mobile phones and access yo hardware stores. Myanmar (Burma) had a revolution where the citizens over threw the government using this model agains the governments military with all of the most expensive latest and greatest US weapons.
Almost all of Myanmar's weaponry originates from China, not the US. I dont know where you are getting this from.
Opinions and Excuses are just like assholes, everybody has one. Actions speak louder than words, just get it done, our Nations safety comes before all other budget requirements, if they hadn't wasted so much money on useless Art sculptures and opulent buildings in Canberra which serve no real purpose we would be better off!
Australia has no Counter Rocket Artillery Mortar systems to protect a single one of our bases and personnel and no Ballistic Missile Defence to protect our cities. How do these apparatchiks say we have layered air defence with a straight face?
No-one in the world appart from America has the capability of launching a military aircraft and making it to Australia. Waste of money
Damn this lot talk a lot of crap.
How many catch words can you fit in? 😂
If peaceful diplomacy and honest business is not working for you, try the Russian S400 air defense system.
Probably much cheaper than the Patriot system from the USA.
However most Australian people would prefer a peaceful existence, other than these stuffed suits that will always remain a long, long way from flesh being torn from bone.
I watch these people and think they must be from another planet.
s400 system being destroyed in russia as we speak by american missiles
Lots of Russian bots out today i see.
@@De_cool_dude unfortunately alot of australians who fall for russian propganda
@@rklkify yeah, its a shame.
@@De_cool_dude
looks like a bunch of five eyed bottoms out today.
Lord we have a pathetically ill-equipped military... people need to be held accountable. Why are we funding tit jobs and transitions for service persons... We have 10,000 troops and a few of everything else.
Spin spinner!!