****** Just bought 2013 F 150 King Ranch w/ 3.5 L Ecoboost 150,000 Miles. This is my first Ford and just love this truck. I live in Arizona and the trucks history is all Arizona ownership. After reading through all the shudder problems, and test driving the heck out of this truck (no shudder problem) I felt confident that I could shade tree mechanic a lot of these issues. After having the truck for about a week I took it out one morning and the unmistakable shudder reared its ugly self. So i went though all the internet post and common causes of direct injection engines. Yesterday, I Started My PM on the truck by cleaning all the MAP sensors. When i started the truck, i instantly had a better idle. So today I tackled the water in the intercooler problem. Being in a constant dry environment and not willing to drill a hole in the cooler, I took it off to do an inspection. (First of all, if a water problem is the cause, then why wouldn't some one take it out and have a petcock put in to drain the fluid. Drilling a hole is really cheesy.) So after removing the intercooler (which took about 20 minutes, very easy) I had my oil pan ready and waiting for that frothy white junk to come pouring out...what a disappointment, i had about a 1/2 ounce of oil drain out. The research shows if it isn't the plugs or the coils then it is going to be the carbon deposits on the intake valves from the PCV valves returning unspent gases and blow by oil or poor oil that has a high NOACK rating. I won't get to technical, but the NOACK test determines vapor loss of oil under high temp. A turbo charged engine is high temp and should always run a synthetic oil. Now with all the direct injection engines that are on the market no one until now has developed an oil to address this problem. The tech department at Driven Oil Racing have a direct injection oil coming out in April (www.drivenracingoil.com/). With that being said a couple of other Low NOACK synthetic oils are Amsoil signature series and Pennzoil ultra premium. I just ordered a catch can which I know will make a huge improvement. My final resolve unfortunately is going to have the inlet valve ports cleaned. In my scenario this is a long term investment for me, obviously with the miles on it. I am going to scope the valves, but the plan is to change the timing chain ( with the great video Mr. Makuloco made) and walnut shell the ports to like new. Then in the future with the catch can, the right oil, and cleaning the intake valves every 10000 miles this should eliminate future problems. For those of you that are rich and can drop $60,00 to $70,000k every three years on a new truck don't worry about preventive maintenance (PM), but for us poor folk....DO YOUR PM's
I have so many issues with 2014 3.5 eb SC F-150 that started a 600 miles. I wrote a long detailed letter to Mark Fields, A month latter I received a call from a person in his office, They told me "we will not be assisting you with any of your concerns" I have issues from major panel misalignment to a a sunroof that squeaks when you close it to a transmission that makes a whining ticking noise to a truck that will lunge forward and in reverse without notice. I have 16 issues that are not fixed 3 of a serious nature. Almost 30 years of Fords This will be our last one! I love your videos, they are a BIG help. Keep up the good work
Thanks for keeping us informed on this. I have an early build 2011 FX4 Ecoboost truck that had the intercooler problem one time. I was hyper mile driving the thing and that caused the intercooler to never get blown out. I changed my strategy and just started driving the thing like I wanted to, gas mileage be damned. Turns out, that kinda driving is what these EB engines like best, gas mileage actually picked up and now the truck at 59,000 miles runs better than ever. Mine has never been back to the dealer for anything (original tune, intercooler etc.) and has only gotten oil changes and air filters when called for. It's the best truck I have ever owned. Just gotta keep your ecoboost blown out!
I've got a 2013 Limited 3.5L EcoBoost. Have not had one issue. Even towed a 28' race trailer across country and back in 6 1/2 days without so much as a hiccup. This has been a great truck! Have 42k on it now. I'm a Roofing Contractor and Have pulled 12k lbs on a trailer and had 2k lbs in the payload. This engine is strong and works well! I had air bags installed on the rear so I could haul heavy payloads.
I have 2012 f 150 ecoboost crew cab 4x4 that has a rough idle. The truck has 34000 miles on it, and started a rough idle at 30000 miles. I changed to the new updated plugs and boots, but did not seem to help any. I don’t use the truck much, maybe once a week, cause I have multiple vehicles at my house. Sometimes it will blow white smoke out in morning when first cranking , but has done that since I had it. The truck runs great on the road, and only notice the rough idle some of the time like a red light, or at a stop sign. The passenger bucket seat will vibrate slightly. My Father in law has same exact truck and color, with 90000 miles on his , and his runs very smooth , no rough idle. Can’t even hear his run, but he uses his multiple times a week. I watch your video all the time, and wonder if you might no what is wrong with my truck. I haven’t tried the intercooler fix drilling the hole, but once noticed real drippy oil on my oil dipstick. I use full synthetic Pennzoil platinum since I got the truck. Please reply if you can help me with this. Thanks so much.
Hi. I had this PO303 misfire in my 2014 F-150 twice on a rainy day while returning from relief work in Kentucky recently. Shuddered, lost power, blinking check engine light while pulling my camper and accelerating to pass a semi. Initially showed the code, but it cleared itself by the time my shop got me scheduled. Scared the bigeebies out of me; enough so that yesterday I was trading it in and voila, the code was back. Thank you for your video! I printed out the TSB and will take it in to get the fix. BJ
I just drilled the smallest hole in the left bottom corner and watch the water pour out. That was a year ago. I run a MPT 93 PRX, catch can. Think I used like a 3/64 bit. Never understood why this intercooler does this. I own a srt4. And like 3 other plus a few tsi talons and never had that issue. But drilling this tiny hole will not cause an issue
Hi! I'm have a problem with my 2014 F150 Platinum 3.5L EB. Only 9,990 miles, The service maintenance warning indicator light came on and engine is stumbling, no turbo boost. Ford service manager said it sounded like chitty chitty bang bang. Currently in the shop (since last Thursday) diagnosed with several codes: P0299, P0017, P0015, P054B. They called today to say it was the Exhaust Cam Phaser on Bank 1. My question is: Is that something they can be repaired and I won't experience other related issues or should I be asking them to check other things as well that could be damaged?
Hey whats up? I am the original owner of a 2013 f150 ecoboost. I have always followed your videos.. i just hit 56,000 miles and ran into my second experience of losing power on the highway in wet like conditions. As of today, did any part numbers change since this video? And also your spark plug gap was set at 28? Is that the same as well. Thank you. Neil
I'm a little confused here. I bought a 2013 F150 3.5 EB and it still has the AB air charge cooler and should have the AD, correct? According to the TSB, I should have the AD air charge cooler and the PCM reprogrammed? Or is reprogramming the PCM the final fix? How much can I expect to spend to get this issue corrected, in round numbers of course?
So I just bought a 14' recently and it develops misfires when you step on it hard. The misfire seems to be jumping around first it was cylinder one and I changed the plug that looked bad and now cylinder 4. Just wondering if I needed to just change all the plugs and ignition coils and get it over with. Also not really sure how the intercooler causes misfires.
Thank you for you innformation and videos. I just recently purchased a 2011 f150 3.5 ecoboost. Well this morning, under wet/foggy conditions, demanding power........ and Experienced the the shutter misfiring and loss of power you talk about. I took it right in to the dealer and they preformed tsb 13-08-01 flashed pcm and installed lower cac shield. Is this the most current fix for my truck? Does it really resolve the issue? I was just absolutely sick to my stomach when this happened.
thank you. The truck seems to run better. Has lots of power. Love the truck and its look also, but one of the reasons for buying it was the thought of better gas mileage. I haven't really noticed that.
I have a 2011, and they installed the shields and recalibrated. Truck is and has been running perfectly fine since. I know the old saying “if its not broken dont fix it.” But do you have any recommendations for me as far as doing anything on my 2011?
Thanks for the information. I actually have it scheduled back in the shop (different dealer) to have them address the drive line clunk. What scares me about the misfire issue is you never know when its going to happen. The last time I was making a left turn and punched the throttle and it was like the truck just gave up, then it started to shutter real bad, luckily no one was coming the other way. I have the paper work showing that there was a problem found but no fixed performed. Maybe this new TSB will help fix the issue. Thanks again for the great info.
Just installed the UPR dual oil catch can. It's supposed to be the fix to the ecoboost condensation problem causing the limp mode and leading to misfires, etc. Check blogs for additional info.
+FordTechMakuloco Either the UPR or the RX branded catch can remedy the condensation problem. In addition, the can also allows the PCV system to finally work. The factory designed it for a normally aspirated engine and it doesn't separated the oil vapors in the dual turbo application. A cleaner intake charge will result in improved MPG and no coking of the valves from the oil residue in the intake charge. Check the you tube installations and blogs on them. You will be shocked at the amount of crap they are draining out of the cans your engine is currently ingesting. Mine is on order.....
FordTechMakuloco hey i just installed a upr catch can. While driving on the interstate today i lost power again as i was before and check engine light came on with 2 codes. P0299 and p0016. Not sure what to do
I just bought a 2011 F150 with the ecoboost in January. It had 47000 miles and i have put another 20000 on it already. I have experienced the loss of power on a few occasions (raining or high humidity). My intercooler is marked AB. The warranty has lapsed. What would you suggest I do to correct this issue? Thanks for the great videos
Ive installed the RX dual can on my 2012, and pulled the stick-on deflector off a few months back and reflashed the ECU. While the can did catch a good bit of water along with the sludge, there was still 3-4 ounces of clear water that accumulated in my CAC over the following month. I gained my mpg back (12 vs 16 mpg) but the can didn't solve the issue. I drilled the CAC (1/16 in) and the problem is gone, but to not to have a self-inflicted boost leak I have a small screw in there for the time being. Also from the looks of it, the driver's side turbo charge pipe had way more water on it than the passenger side tube. Is it just because it's longer? Maybe.... After doing some datalogging, I found out that the Ford TSB flash decreases the efficiency of the turbos so the boost doesn't build so quickly and push the water into the intake. HEY FORD...HOW ABOUT FIXING THE DAMN CONDENSATION PROBLEM AT ITS SOURCE AND NOT KILLING MY TRUCK'S PERFORMANCE WITH A "WORKAROUND." /rant
This information is GOLD! THX! I have the 2014 and ended up putting a drain plug without a catch can on the intercooler ( I have a gravel driveway I dont care about drips). Is there a method to check the PCM version? I use a laptop with ODB interface. Never seen software version values. LUCKILY I never had an issue with the intercooler here in Far-Far Northern California - when I drained it the first time I got maybe 15 drops of liquid and that was it (was expecting more).
Fordtechmakuloco, is this still the latest misfire TSB? I have a 2013 with 39,000 miles and it happened for the first time accelerating onto the interstate in the rainy mountains on a 1,000 mile trip for Christmas. I'm looking to get this resolved before I head back home at the local dealership here. Also, is the TSB covered under the power train warranty at no cost? Thanks for all you do! Your videos are AWESOME!
Thanks Brian! Your vids are always well done and informative. While I've never had the misfire issue on my '13, my CAC has the number DL34-9L440 *AC* on the tag. You mention AB, AE and AD. So is my AC CAC the inadvertent fix? Should I remove the top shielding? ("if it ain't broke, don't fix it"?)
Hey man - love your videos. Need your help - 2014 F150 eco - 50k miles - vibration in front of truck when coasting at 35 mph. Goes away at high speeds and when accelerating. Any thoughts ???
I had this TSB performed on my 2013 and it still has the problem. The truck has 6000 miles on it. I don't think the reflash does anything but to help the engine deal with the misfire when it occurs.
Couple questions. One. Does the weep hole work? Do you guys leave the weep hole open or latch it? And any problems after wards? I had misfire on cylinders 1-4 when I hammered it and went into limp mode. And how much is the new intercooler and how much is it to take to a dealer to have the new tsb? I just bought the truck a while back and want to get it fixed ASAP and looking to see how much I’m gonna spend.
My 2013 F-150 Ecoboost is stumbling from time to time, but it is not intercooler related. when driving down the road, it stumbles three or four times (like it wants to die), and sometimes when this happens, the gauges flutter, the speedometer resets to zero, and the DIC gives me an orange screen with a wrench. When you turn off the truck and start it up again, the speedometer works, and I am able to see the mileage readout. I pulled up a P0722 DTC. Any help would be greatly appreciated! I seriously am considering trading this truck in. This was a replacement to my 6.0L... I have pretty much had it with Ford- a company that I have been die-hard loyal to for many, many years now. Thanks in advance!
Today I had my 2013 EBoost go into shudder mode after accelerating onto interstate. Check engine light on and code says cylinder 6 misfire. Heard of changing single ignition coil, spark plug, and even drill a hole into intercooler. Any step you’d consider first? Thanks
I took my 2013 F150 to my dealer for the new ford bulletin, they did all that you said. That killed my gas millage from 19.5 to 17.5 and when I pull my trailer it went from 15 mpg to 10 mpg. I have not addressed the starting issues with the dealer as of this date.
I had the same TSB completed and now have the same mpg issues. I was getting 17-18 in the city, and I now get 14.5-15.5. WTF??? I upgraded my exhaust to a magnaflow cat back system, and Airaid cold air kit prior to the TSB fix and was getting great mpg. Since the TSB I am not getting any better than my grandpa's 2013 f-150 w/5.0.
***** I just had it in at the dealer for an oil change and another TSB concerning a humming noise from the transmission. I voiced my concerns and the dealer just told me "everyone is complaining about bad MPG on the ecoboost" and that was all. They have no interest in it at all. They also tried to tell me it was my cold air intake that was the problem. Said my Mass airflow sensor was upside down. Umm This truck doesn't have a mass airflow sensor, it has a MAP sensor!!! IDK what to do. I will deal with it until I can trade it in and get a V8. My gpa's 2013 5.0 is getting the same mileage I am!!!
I have a 2013 f150 xlt with 3.5L ecoboost. The problems I had is loss of power when wet and humid and starting problems. The Dealer has made the latest changes to the cooler. It has not lost power as of this date, but I still continue to have starting problems. No one seems to be talking about the starting problems. What is your thoughts? Thanks Dave D
2013 is kind of new but they had starting issues due to leaky injectors which will take some time to verify. Have you brought it in for this concern specifically?
So, it seems like TSBs are important updates to driveability concerns and vehicle longevity. Does Ford Service charge for these PCM updates? Should I remove these "deflectors" immediately and worry about the PCM update later, or do everything in the course of a day?
Have a question for you. I have a 2013 f150 ecoboost. I have a cold air intake and aftermarket blow off valve. I have white smoke on startup only lasts for about 2 minutes or so. Also I have a code for random misfire only every 3rd drive cycles or so. No other cylinder just random. Any idea? Yes plugs changed.
i have a 2013 king ranch f150...live in South tx where its humid about all year...would this cause the truck to stall and have a check engine light and have the truck engine to almost stall, and not accelerate...i then turn off then on and reprograms and works like nothing
I just had this TSB done about 2 weeks ago. I am sitting at the dealer yet again for the same shutter and power loss. This is my 7th time having this truck serviced for the shutter. I have a 2013 FX2 Ecoboost. I am so disappointed in this truck. I would love for ford to just buy this thing back.
Sounds like you need to find another dealer. I am sad to admit dealer service techs can vary greatly from dealer to dealer and even from one side of the shop to the other as in my case.
These videos are great - I have a 2014 EB - purchased used from ford dealer as certified used. I see the top deflector is still on. Is the calibration only able to be updated at the dealer ? Trying to decide if I should push to have the deflector removed and PCM updated as you have stated? Any help is much appreciated
These catch cans work great depending where you live. If the temperature drops below freezing and your can happens to fill up, it will freeze solid, then like on my truck(2012 F150 echo boost) you will blow the seals out on your turbos, soaking your exhaust system with oil then taking out your o2 sensors. As you can guess after a ton of repairs the cans came off.
Interesting. Never thought of that. I live in Montana and it gets real cold here. So now what do we do if the intercooler gets moisture build up and we can’t use catch cans? This is crazy. So far my catch cans are working great! But I never thought of the freezing thing.
FordTechMakoloco: I am having issues with the truck downshifting from 6 to 1st at highway speeds. Also, the truck has started knocking into neutral and revving to the limiter, then shifting all over the place. I have pulled P0720 and P0721, and believe this is leadframe related. The LSF has been recalled from 2010-2012, but the '13 has not been covered in the past. My local dealer told me on the phone that the recall has been extended to the '13, as well, so I made an appointment. After taking the truck to the crooks (long story) at Lance Cunningham Ford, they quoted me $700.00, and said that it was NOT covered. I have done a search, and my VIN is not recalled. Any ideas why Ford hasn't addressed this very serious issue, and what can be done to force Ford to step it up before somebody gets seriously hurt or killed? Thanks!
I have a 2013 and I have no issues with misfires. However, I have noticed a milky substance in the PCV hose that smells like bad fuel. I have also noticed a rise in my oil level and a fuel smell is present on the dipstick with only 1500 miles on this oil. Any ideas?
Does the cal update change how the truck drives at all? Power delivery changes or anything? Seems like if you cranked up the boost may be a-ok. I have a 13 with a livernois tune in it - never had an issue.
Just had misfiring happen on my drive from Florida to Maryland. happened around orlando during heavy thunderstorms with high temperatures (around 80 F). Felt like half the cylinders were misfiring, downshifting to 3rd gear at highway speed fixed the problem and didnt happen again during the entire 1100 mile trip. Check engine light was flashing and I was not able to maintain highway speed in 6th gear
My 2013 3.5 intercooler shows an AC marking. No shield on top or lower. No issues with engine but over 4 years I have experienced a power hesitation more than once. She's running great since the Ford dealership service writer told me last month it showed misfires on 3 cylinders and needed 6 plugs all for $300 dollars!!!! Called him back and told him to hold off on plugs, I could have it done for $100 and the SOB matched the price right over the phone. NOW THAT PISSED ME OFF and I told him to take a flying leap to hell. The service manager called me back and tried to smooze things over and I told him I was going to social media with their BS. GD bunch of thieves.
The 2011s have a miss under a load pulling something due to bad programing in the computer.A friend of my dad's brother in law had this happen to him when he had his 2011 F150 with the ecoboost.Jasper Engines and Transmissions already has 6 of these on test stands finding the problems with them.The Jasper rep that stops at my father's shop has talked to Ford techs that have seen blown headgaskets and fuel injectors blowing out of them
I have a 13 eco boost f150 and had no problems at all have 20000 miles but I have a tune and it runs great 13.3 in the quarter no problems get a liver noise tune and have no problems u have to get on it sometime so if there is any condensation it will blow the little amount through if you wanted a slow truck you should of just got the 3.7
Thanks for your video. I have a 2012 FX4 that has a shudder problem from a stop under any acceleration, slow to fast. I had the AC CAC and the dealer put the lower shield on and reflashed the PCM about six weeks ago, it didn't help at all. I now am trying an aftermarket CAC (Wagner-Tuning) and I'm thinking there's more going on here as the problem still persist. After the shudder off the line, it runs fine as it always has. The service guy says: they all have turbo lag and I know what that is but I think it's more than that. I went to the SP534 plugs and it helped then I went to the NGK 6510 (one heat range cooler) and it helped even more. But the problem is still there. It's a fast truck and once the turbos spool it spins the tires in second gear and doesn't stop til I hit forth gear. Any ideas?
Your problem is a drive line shudder. This is common on the ecoboost because of the torque, and I bet yours is a long wheel base those are the worst. The dealers have been shimming the pinion and or trans mount with decent success but what fixes them the best is using the trans mount from the Ford Raptor fixes them almost every time. Ask the dealer to contact the Ford Tech Hotline they will tell them, the Field Service Engineers recommend them all the time.
FordTechMakuloco Thank you so much for your reply, It's a 5.5' bed supercrew. I knew it was something I missed after hours of web searches that all turned up to be bad coil packs, coil pack wire harnesses to TSBs on the CACs. I even re-gapped the NGK 6510s to .025 with a little more improvement yet that cost me a smooth idle. Now I have the ammo needed to tell the dealer what's needed to fix it. I'll put the SP534 plugs back in and take it in to the dealer. Thanks again.
Probably the 5.0L still the least risk of issues then? I've seen a couple 5.0's on F-150/forums having loud knocking, requiring a new short block. Have you seen anything like that before?
2011 f150 ecoboost 33000 engine light flashing went into limp mode. Dealer replaced coil packs ran good until 53000 engine light came on. Dealer installed air deflector. Here's the story with ecoboost, drive it like a racecar blow water out of intercooler regularly so it doesn't accumulate and choke your motor. At 53000 drove it like a granny for a while , next thing engine light flashing. 3.5 ecoboost likes to be ran hard full acceleration.
I have2013 3.5 L ecoboost build date Nov4 2013. I have the top shieldon the cooler. no codes coming up . so do I remove it myself or wait for codes and take to dealer
I own a 2012 Ff150 ecoboost with AD on the cooler. Do I need to remove the stick on flap on the bottom and the deflector on top, and have the dealer recalibrate? I have not had any problems with the engine and i have 35000 kms on it now
Are 2014's having these problems still? Or have these issues been ironed out in the 2014. Trying to decide between a 2014 Long Bed HD Payload with either the Ecoboost or 5.0, thanks for any advice.
I have a 2013 ecoboost, and had the same PCM update you refer to last week for an unrelated issue (problem with the battery management system). 4 days after the PCM update, I pulled out to pass someone on the highway and the truck fell on its face. Went into full limp mode (wrench and check engine light both illuminated) . Brought it to the dealer today...they removed the deflector plate as per the other portion of the TSB and say that was likely why it happened. Does this make sense? Seems to me like this TSB is just another shot in the dark since, if I understand your explanation correctly, the PCM update will allow the engine to manage the water from the CAC. But in my case still had the deflector plate, which should result in less water accumulation, couple that with the PCM update and I should not have had this happen if it were a true fix. Long story short, I don't think this is the fix we are all hoping for!
FordTechMakuloco it was about -2 Celsius, a bit humid. accelerated hard to pass, check engine light flashed, then wrench came on and I lost all power. code P0306 was set.
Do you know how I would go about getting ford esp on a used truck that I am looking at a different dealer? And in your opinion, would you rather go with ford esp or a dealership aftermarket warranty?
Go to the dealer and they can set you up with one. Either get Ford esp or Easy Care only! Ford esp is preferred but easy care is very good about paying claims and not jerking you around over any one else.
Just had the stumble issue today on my 2012 EB. My intercooler is a model B, but you didn't mention that in the video. This was "fixed" a few months ago, the dealership installed the deflector shield and replaced one of the cats. Is there a new intercooler or better fix for the 2012? I'm heading to the dealer first thing tomorrow morning, but want to be as informed as possible.
FordTechMakuloco Thx, I'll be watching too. I just bought a 2011 that has model AB. I haven't had any issues but should I try to get an updated intercooler just in case? I love your videos and I appreciate all the information you are sharing with us!
Hi, Brian! I have a 2014 F150 with the 3.5l Ecoboost and 175k miles. It developed a cylinder #2 misfire and I followed all of your suggestions to remedy that. Thank you for that, Now, when I accelerate, instead of a normal engine sound and performance response, it is sluggish and the exhaust note sounds like the old Powerstroke diesel. Any ideas??
Just from reading all your posts you answered mi question! I'm going with the 5.0 .2015 models should have all these issues fixed? You would think wright!!!
I have a 2012 FX2 with the 3.5L EcoBoost engine. are these air deflectors covered in the warranty thru FORD. I have less than 20,000 miles on my truck so I haven't had any issues yet but I don't want to wait for that either.
The air deflector removal and pcm reflash is covered by your warranty yes up to at least 60k miles if not 80k. You must come in with this concern as outlined in the tsb. Most dealers will just do it because you will likely not bring it in on a humid day anyway. The tsb doesn't pay much so us as techs just do them instead of wasting 30min road testing to see if it applies.
I just bought a 2015 XLT ecoboost 3.5 4wd. I changed all plugs+coil packs. I keep getting a miss fire on #1. What should I be looking at next. BTW, I swapped out the new coil with another new one just in case. But no difference.
I have a friend with a 2013 F150. It around 11k miles, and he has noticed a skip when he pulls his trailer/golf cart. He has installed an Edge programmer. I was curious if you could tell me how much the programmer would affect the skipping issue? I haven't asked him to check to see which design # he has, so i can't provide that part just yet.
Bobby Augustine The skip is likely due to the plugs not the cac design unless it is humid every time he pulls it i.e. early morning golf out with moist morning dew. Has he checked plug gap?
Makuloco what do you think the calibration did or changed? I have a 2013 KGCT3GA strategy code all my tunes are writing for that but if I really need thjs tsb, I will do it. Now let me tell you my dealing with this, I had it twice in one day only and it had rained for three days. I took the cac off and drianed in then drilled a 1/16th hole at lowest point. What do you think of the hole? And what do you recommend as for as tsb. Everything has been okay snice but It hasn't raines again yet. Thx
+Blake Langley They don't specify what it changes even out hotline cannot tell us. Many have reported the turbos staying spooled up for longer maybe to keep the air and condensation moving. If you want to keep your current strategy I would install a catch can instead.
I have a 2011 I drove the truck into the bay to be worked on rebuilt the trans and hook the battery up and the truck wouldn't start so I scanned it and it said it was the fuel pump so I changed the pump tried to start it and it still wouldn't start up so I rescanned and it came up with a code for PCM what do I do to reset this PC m I tried to disconnect the battery for about 30 minutes and a truck still won't start anybody have any answers that would I don't know what else to do
Ok thanks big help. I think it's normal probably the gear that I'm in at that time I'm guessing. And sounds good I'll take it off since high heat is right around the corner.
Just picked up my 2014 F150 with ecoboost and it was made in April 2014. Fortunately mine is all taken care of since it was made later. My intercooler says AD and no air blockers. :-)
FordTechMakuloco Yeah, but now I'm paranoid about that carbon build up on the intake valves in one of your other videos. LOL Hopefully that won't affect mine. Not sure.
FordTechMakuloco Quick question. I watched your older video about the spark plug cracking. My truck is brand new and was built in April 2014. It has the AD labeled intercooler. Is there any more info on the misfire in wet/humid conditions and/or the spark plugs cracking?....should I watch mine carefully or do you think at this point they've pretty much resolved the misfire issue due to too much moisture in the intercooler and the cracking spark plug problem? I guess I'll make a mental note to replace the plugs around 60 or 70k even if I don't notice any problems. Let me know what you think :-)
There are still cases out there but the 13-14's are allot less prone to it, spark plug cracking on the other hand is few and far to begin with, most are changing the plugs around 50-60k miles and finding they are due.
My truck had a shudder (torque convertor shudder?)under load, going up a hill etc. Ford had a dozen or more "ideas" what was causing it, all of them sounded suspicious. My truck was under the lead frame sensor recall but was out of the mileage they would cover . Some Ford suggestions: Are you in 4WD on dry road, obect caught around axle, 2 piece axle, MAP sensors bad, flash ECM, new battery, battery cable loose, Cat Conv, etc. 2 different dealers and dozens of ideas, none correct. (even after leaving it for 3 days until they could look at it) Went to OReilly auto parts, they scanned it, code said misfire bank 1. Pulled the #1 plug, replaced it with new Motorcraft plug in bank 1 only. Problem solved. I ordered a catch can , arrives tomorrow. My truck does have the cold/wet weather sputtering on startup issues many report. Hope this helps
No, the main concern was the loss of power, I mentioned the problem of hard starting, on the first oil change and also when I took it in for the loss of power. Dave D
I'm so REALLY confused... all I ever find when looking for ecoboost issues, they all seem to be related to F-150. Is the F-150 the ONLY 3.5 ecoboost that suffers from these issues?? The reason I ask is bc I own a '13 MKT with 3.5 ecoboost and when I nail it to get away from road turds, it'll sound like a machine gun (misses??). My service advisor (VERY trusted IMO) tells me it's a rev limiter situation. I'm wondering if these problems are specific to F-150's or do they relate to all 3.5 ecoboost?? Anybody?? thx.
Thanks for the Info. But what about 2013 f150 5.0. Repeated #6 Misfire. New Coil, Spark Plug and Injector. Each is Receiving Input Signal. Is there something going on internally? Thanks Sam
It could be internal like a coolant or oil fouling the plug but I would perform a compression test next. Also for the heck of it I would reset the KAM and perform a misfire profile correction.
I have already reset kam and misfire profile correction, No fouled plug, seems to only misfire at idle, Pressurized cylinder with shop air and i can hear hissing in intake. Intake Valve????
my wife just got broke down . i have a 2013 f150 3.5 ecoboost and she was driving home the check engine came on and it has no power . it is hard to start and when it does idles very rough and then will just quit . is thi my problem ya think ?thx
Man im starting to regret buying a ecoboost. My engine light went on, then disappeared and the next day came back on. Is it normal for it to be making a click noise?
GrizzyVII my 2014 did this. Is it a clicking sound coming from the front drivers side near the radiator? Turned out to be a bad map sensor in the manifold.
Im in NorCal too and I don't believe it will be an issue for you unless you live in the bay area where it's humid all the time. Im loving this ecoboost towing the trailer over my old 4.6 ltr V8, Im in the Redding, CA area and haven't had any condensation (even though I check all the time). Granted it get's to 100-116(f) in the summers here I dont think condensation could even form at these summer temps.
should I be worried I have a 2012 fx4 eco boost and last summer on a road trip had 6 total shut downs off power with a real bad shacking.it was raining all 6 times . went to 4 dealers to get updates and the plugs changed but could there be damage down to my engine from this problem and can it kill the longevity of my engine. it happened only when I was passing and hard on the gas.
If the new turbo-charged engines have looser fitting piston rings then install a oil trap canister in the PCV circuit to stop the oil from accumulating in the intake valve port and around the valve stem itself to cure the problem, in my humble opinion....
I have a 2013 eco and whenever I get on it or have WOT it studders and the check engine light starts blinking..... It probably does this for about 30 to 45 seconds..... Almost a total loss of power until the light stops blinking.... Anyone know what could possibly be going on?
Yes. Most likely the condensation in the intercooler (CAC) is causing it. 1. Drill a 1/16" weep hole in the bottom of the CAC (Search here for it). 2. Replace all plugs and coil packs, especially if you're over 60k miles. 3. Install a catch can (there's a link in this video's description). Those 3 things should fix your issue.
No, it states to remove the block heater that is in the thermostat housing and put a new one in the side of the block where it should have been in the first place.
Hi Ford guy I have a 2011 F150 EB with 54000 miles when I accelerate from a stop slowly there is a slight vibration. Feels like it starts from the engine. Do you think I should replace the spark plugs?
FordTechMakuloco I have a 2013 with the "shake" or vibration on accel from a stop. It is an issue with Fords 2 piece driveshaft used on the 6.5ft box trucks. Most have the 5.5 and don't have the issue. I have had mine at 5 dealers and most wont help at all and the last one was able to improve it but it is still there. Very frusterating to have a brand new 45k dollar truck that shakes and Ford can't fix it
derekr454 That is why I asked if his was a driveline vibration well known issue on the ecoboost with the long driveline. What a few engineers where using was the Ford Raptor Trans mount and that fixes them right up. Did they try that?
They won't help me any more than they have already. I drive a lot and my 36k mile warranty has since expired. I will be rapidly approaching my 60k mile this year. Seems like they just wanted to give me the run around until my warranty ran out. I haven't had much positive experience with Ford Service especially involving anything warranty related. I love the truck for the most part but the service has been so poor I may switch back to Chevy :/
I would try the raptor mount yourself then, shouldn't cost too much and is easy to install and then it should all be fixed and you can enjoy the truck. I have heard it is a 3/4" mount so that would bring it down some and then the driveline angles would be more inline. We have this problem on the new superduties also and some of them have a completely new driveshaft design and that fixes the issue but the raptor mount fixes the F150's.
Does this have any relationship to a intermittently high pitched whine coming from the turbo boost pump under the air cleaner box? 2012 F-150 K.R. 3.5l EB 38K
actually I misidentified the part in question I suppose its the vacuum pump thats located directly behind the headlight and under the air filter box. Does this intermittent noise coming from the pump indicate imminent failure? I brought to the dealer they said under the ext warranty if they cant diagnose the problem I'm out $140. Seeing that this part replacement is easy enough to perform should I just bite the bullet and replace myself or wait until I have no braking???
+Michael Reinhardt If it is the old style pump yes. Here is the latest pump- www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00M37UJY0/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=B00M37UJY0&linkCode=as2&tag=fordt-20&linkId=ZGTUS7TPU44BVN74Latest Harness to match- CL3Z-9C490-D
Thank you agin for you responses. One more questions. So when I turn on the vehicle the pump goes one and it does vibrate significantly and makes the high pitched noise and then goes off after about 6-10 seconds. Would you consider this behavior signaling a imminent failure? I ask because I'm trying to as specific as possible so the dealer diagnoses the problem and replaces the pump under the extended warranty
Well I pulled the trigger on a 2015 3.5 EB. And behold 1700 miles on it . (Issue city) 2nd time at the shop. On the Highway heard a Loud pop loss of power no more awesome MPG's. No more turbo boost. Just a check engine light on mi dash.....💀💥🔫
+FordTechMakuloco ok,I feel like I need to fix this. Issue with mi truck was hose clamps that are somewhere in the turbos dealer fixed issue . No more problems I enjoy driving the ecoboost more than the raptor. Now that's a bold statement.
+FordTechMakuloco hi, I am interested in a used f150 2012 or 2013 range. should I get a v8 5.0 or the ecoboost 6 cyl? I have heard there are lots of issues with ecoboost. I know very little about trucks, I just like the f150 style. please respond thanks.
****** Just bought 2013 F 150 King Ranch w/ 3.5 L Ecoboost 150,000 Miles. This is my first Ford and just love this truck. I live in Arizona and the trucks history is all Arizona ownership. After reading through all the shudder problems, and test driving the heck out of this truck (no shudder problem) I felt confident that I could shade tree mechanic a lot of these issues. After having the truck for about a week I took it out one morning and the unmistakable shudder reared its ugly self. So i went though all the internet post and common causes of direct injection engines. Yesterday, I Started My PM on the truck by cleaning all the MAP sensors. When i started the truck, i instantly had a better idle. So today I tackled the water in the intercooler problem. Being in a constant dry environment and not willing to drill a hole in the cooler, I took it off to do an inspection. (First of all, if a water problem is the cause, then why wouldn't some one take it out and have a petcock put in to drain the fluid. Drilling a hole is really cheesy.) So after removing the intercooler (which took about 20 minutes, very easy) I had my oil pan ready and waiting for that frothy white junk to come pouring out...what a disappointment, i had about a 1/2 ounce of oil drain out. The research shows if it isn't the plugs or the coils then it is going to be the carbon deposits on the intake valves from the PCV valves returning unspent gases and blow by oil or poor oil that has a high NOACK rating. I won't get to technical, but the NOACK test determines vapor loss of oil under high temp. A turbo charged engine is high temp and should always run a synthetic oil. Now with all the direct injection engines that are on the market no one until now has developed an oil to address this problem. The tech department at Driven Oil Racing have a direct injection oil coming out in April (www.drivenracingoil.com/). With that being said a couple of other Low NOACK synthetic oils are Amsoil signature series and Pennzoil ultra premium. I just ordered a catch can which I know will make a huge improvement. My final resolve unfortunately is going to have the inlet valve ports cleaned. In my scenario this is a long term investment for me, obviously with the miles on it. I am going to scope the valves, but the plan is to change the timing chain ( with the great video Mr. Makuloco made) and walnut shell the ports to like new. Then in the future with the catch can, the right oil, and cleaning the intake valves every 10000 miles this should eliminate future problems. For those of you that are rich and can drop $60,00 to $70,000k every three years on a new truck don't worry about preventive maintenance (PM), but for us poor folk....DO YOUR PM's
I have so many issues with 2014 3.5 eb SC F-150 that started a 600 miles. I wrote a long detailed letter to Mark Fields, A month latter I received a call from a person in his office, They told me "we will not be assisting you with any of your concerns" I have issues from major panel misalignment to a a sunroof that squeaks when you close it to a transmission that makes a whining ticking noise to a truck that will lunge forward and in reverse without notice. I have 16 issues that are not fixed 3 of a serious nature. Almost 30 years of Fords
This will be our last one!
I love your videos, they are a BIG help. Keep up the good work
Thanks for keeping us informed on this. I have an early build 2011 FX4 Ecoboost truck that had the intercooler problem one time. I was hyper mile driving the thing and that caused the intercooler to never get blown out. I changed my strategy and just started driving the thing like I wanted to, gas mileage be damned. Turns out, that kinda driving is what these EB engines like best, gas mileage actually picked up and now the truck at 59,000 miles runs better than ever. Mine has never been back to the dealer for anything (original tune, intercooler etc.) and has only gotten oil changes and air filters when called for. It's the best truck I have ever owned.
Just gotta keep your ecoboost blown out!
You drive it fast and it keeps it clean ?
What do you mean by keep the eco boost blown out
I've got a 2013 Limited 3.5L EcoBoost. Have not had one issue. Even towed a 28' race trailer across country and back in 6 1/2 days without so much as a hiccup. This has been a great truck! Have 42k on it now. I'm a Roofing Contractor and Have pulled 12k lbs on a trailer and had 2k lbs in the payload. This engine is strong and works well! I had air bags installed on the rear so I could haul heavy payloads.
+68dragbug Pull the intercooler...would love to know if you have any sludge/water buildup
I have 2012 f 150 ecoboost crew cab 4x4 that has a rough idle. The truck has 34000 miles on it, and started a rough idle at 30000 miles. I changed to the new updated plugs and boots, but did not seem to help any. I don’t use the truck much, maybe once a week, cause I have multiple vehicles at my house. Sometimes it will blow white smoke out in morning when first cranking , but has done that since I had it. The truck runs great on the road, and only notice the rough idle some of the time like a red light, or at a stop sign. The passenger bucket seat will vibrate slightly. My Father in law has same exact truck and color, with 90000 miles on his , and his runs very smooth , no rough idle. Can’t even hear his run, but he uses his multiple times a week. I watch your video all the time, and wonder if you might no what is wrong with my truck. I haven’t tried the intercooler fix drilling the hole, but once noticed real drippy oil on my oil dipstick. I use full synthetic Pennzoil platinum since I got the truck. Please reply if you can help me with this. Thanks so much.
Hi. I had this PO303 misfire in my 2014 F-150 twice on a rainy day while returning from relief work in Kentucky recently. Shuddered, lost power, blinking check engine light while pulling my camper and accelerating to pass a semi. Initially showed the code, but it cleared itself by the time my shop got me scheduled. Scared the bigeebies out of me; enough so that yesterday I was trading it in and voila, the code was back. Thank you for your video! I printed out the TSB and will take it in to get the fix.
BJ
Yes 2013. Happened today wet snow day! Thank you
2012 3.5 I have know fire on the driver's side. Brian what could the problem be? New cam sensors etc?????
I just drilled the smallest hole in the left bottom corner and watch the water pour out. That was a year ago. I run a MPT 93 PRX, catch can. Think I used like a 3/64 bit. Never understood why this intercooler does this. I own a srt4. And like 3 other plus a few tsi talons and never had that issue. But drilling this tiny hole will not cause an issue
Hi! I'm have a problem with my 2014 F150 Platinum 3.5L EB. Only 9,990 miles, The service maintenance warning indicator light came on and engine is stumbling, no turbo boost. Ford service manager said it sounded like chitty chitty bang bang. Currently in the shop (since last Thursday) diagnosed with several codes: P0299, P0017, P0015, P054B. They called today to say it was the Exhaust Cam Phaser on Bank 1. My question is: Is that something they can be repaired and I won't experience other related issues or should I be asking them to check other things as well that could be damaged?
Hey whats up? I am the original owner of a 2013 f150 ecoboost. I have always followed your videos.. i just hit 56,000 miles and ran into my second experience of losing power on the highway in wet like conditions. As of today, did any part numbers change since this video? And also your spark plug gap was set at 28? Is that the same as well. Thank you. Neil
My 2013 says AC.... Should I be worried and have them do that fix? It has a top cover but I've never experienced misfires.
I'm a little confused here. I bought a 2013 F150 3.5 EB and it still has the AB air charge cooler and should have the AD, correct? According to the TSB, I should have the AD air charge cooler and the PCM reprogrammed? Or is reprogramming the PCM the final fix? How much can I expect to spend to get this issue corrected, in round numbers of course?
So I just bought a 14' recently and it develops misfires when you step on it hard. The misfire seems to be jumping around first it was cylinder one and I changed the plug that looked bad and now cylinder 4. Just wondering if I needed to just change all the plugs and ignition coils and get it over with. Also not really sure how the intercooler causes misfires.
Thank you for you innformation and videos. I just recently purchased a 2011 f150 3.5 ecoboost. Well this morning, under wet/foggy conditions, demanding power........ and Experienced the the shutter misfiring and loss of power you talk about. I took it right in to the dealer and they preformed tsb 13-08-01 flashed pcm and installed lower cac shield. Is this the most current fix for my truck? Does it really resolve the issue? I was just absolutely sick to my stomach when this happened.
Mike Marshall Yes that is the latest fix currently and all the ones I have done none have come back.
thank you. The truck seems to run better. Has lots of power. Love the truck and its look also, but one of the reasons for buying it was the thought of better gas mileage. I haven't really noticed that.
I have a 2011, and they installed the shields and recalibrated. Truck is and has been running perfectly fine since. I know the old saying “if its not broken dont fix it.” But do you have any recommendations for me as far as doing anything on my 2011?
Thanks for the information. I actually have it scheduled back in the shop (different dealer) to have them address the drive line clunk. What scares me about the misfire issue is you never know when its going to happen. The last time I was making a left turn and punched the throttle and it was like the truck just gave up, then it started to shutter real bad, luckily no one was coming the other way. I have the paper work showing that there was a problem found but no fixed performed. Maybe this new TSB will help fix the issue. Thanks again for the great info.
Just installed the UPR dual oil catch can. It's supposed to be the fix to the ecoboost condensation problem causing the limp mode and leading to misfires, etc. Check blogs for additional info.
NoblestoftheLIONs Yup I know all about them.
+FordTechMakuloco Either the UPR or the RX branded catch can remedy the condensation problem. In addition, the can also allows the PCV system to finally work. The factory designed it for a normally aspirated engine and it doesn't separated the oil vapors in the dual turbo application. A cleaner intake charge will result in improved MPG and no coking of the valves from the oil residue in the intake charge. Check the you tube installations and blogs on them. You will be shocked at the amount of crap they are draining out of the cans your engine is currently ingesting. Mine is on order.....
FordTechMakuloco hey i just installed a upr catch can. While driving on the interstate today i lost power again as i was before and check engine light came on with 2 codes. P0299 and p0016. Not sure what to do
I just bought a 2011 F150 with the ecoboost in January. It had 47000 miles and i have put another 20000 on it already. I have experienced the loss of power on a few occasions (raining or high humidity). My intercooler is marked AB. The warranty has lapsed. What would you suggest I do to correct this issue? Thanks for the great videos
Just have them do the latest tsb which 13-8-1 which is basically some new deflectors and a reflash
Timothy Connelly drill a 1/16 weep hole on lowest point drivers side, look it up, problem solved...
rcpinkham sorry...lol drill hole in Intercooler, Ford has no real fix for this other than block your CAC to increase temps, and rob power.
Ive installed the RX dual can on my 2012, and pulled the stick-on deflector off a few months back and reflashed the ECU. While the can did catch a good bit of water along with the sludge, there was still 3-4 ounces of clear water that accumulated in my CAC over the following month. I gained my mpg back (12 vs 16 mpg) but the can didn't solve the issue.
I drilled the CAC (1/16 in) and the problem is gone, but to not to have a self-inflicted boost leak I have a small screw in there for the time being.
Also from the looks of it, the driver's side turbo charge pipe had way more water on it than the passenger side tube. Is it just because it's longer? Maybe....
After doing some datalogging, I found out that the Ford TSB flash decreases the efficiency of the turbos so the boost doesn't build so quickly and push the water into the intake. HEY FORD...HOW ABOUT FIXING THE DAMN CONDENSATION PROBLEM AT ITS SOURCE AND NOT KILLING MY TRUCK'S PERFORMANCE WITH A "WORKAROUND." /rant
This information is GOLD! THX! I have the 2014 and ended up putting a drain plug without a catch can on the intercooler ( I have a gravel driveway I dont care about drips). Is there a method to check the PCM version? I use a laptop with ODB interface. Never seen software version values. LUCKILY I never had an issue with the intercooler here in Far-Far Northern California - when I drained it the first time I got maybe 15 drops of liquid and that was it (was expecting more).
Fordtechmakuloco, is this still the latest misfire TSB? I have a 2013 with 39,000 miles and it happened for the first time accelerating onto the interstate in the rainy mountains on a 1,000 mile trip for Christmas. I'm looking to get this resolved before I head back home at the local dealership here. Also, is the TSB covered under the power train warranty at no cost? Thanks for all you do! Your videos are AWESOME!
Have f150 6 cylinder and loses power on highway. When i turn on truck will be fine but as soon as i put it into gear it dies. .any recommendation??
Thanks Brian! Your vids are always well done and informative. While I've never had the misfire issue on my '13, my CAC has the number DL34-9L440 *AC* on the tag. You mention AB, AE and AD. So is my AC CAC the inadvertent fix? Should I remove the top shielding? ("if it ain't broke, don't fix it"?)
Hey man - love your videos. Need your help - 2014 F150 eco - 50k miles - vibration in front of truck when coasting at 35 mph. Goes away at high speeds and when accelerating. Any thoughts ???
I had this TSB performed on my 2013 and it still has the problem. The truck has 6000 miles on it. I don't think the reflash does anything but to help the engine deal with the misfire when it occurs.
Still has the problem in humid weather only?
It has only done it in rainy weather.
Hey I have 2014 3.5 eb. I have seen lots about drilling a 1/16 weep hole in the inner cooler. What’s your thoughts. Thanks.
Great tech dude, I've been redoin' a 13 and ya be e the tech for Ford
Couple questions. One. Does the weep hole work? Do you guys leave the weep hole open or latch it? And any problems after wards? I had misfire on cylinders 1-4 when I hammered it and went into limp mode. And how much is the new intercooler and how much is it to take to a dealer to have the new tsb? I just bought the truck a while back and want to get it fixed ASAP and looking to see how much I’m gonna spend.
My 2013 F-150 Ecoboost is stumbling from time to time, but it is not intercooler related. when driving down the road, it stumbles three or four times (like it wants to die), and sometimes when this happens, the gauges flutter, the speedometer resets to zero, and the DIC gives me an orange screen with a wrench. When you turn off the truck and start it up again, the speedometer works, and I am able to see the mileage readout. I pulled up a P0722 DTC. Any help would be greatly appreciated! I seriously am considering trading this truck in. This was a replacement to my 6.0L... I have pretty much had it with Ford- a company that I have been die-hard loyal to for many, many years now. Thanks in advance!
Today I had my 2013 EBoost go into shudder mode after accelerating onto interstate. Check engine light on and code says cylinder 6 misfire. Heard of changing single ignition coil, spark plug, and even drill a hole into intercooler. Any step you’d consider first? Thanks
What the common problems on a 2016 f150 2.7 ecoboost? Thanks in advance
I took my 2013 F150 to my dealer for the new ford bulletin, they did all that you said.
That killed my gas millage from 19.5 to 17.5 and when I pull my trailer it went from 15 mpg to 10 mpg.
I have not addressed the starting issues with the dealer as of this date.
I had the same TSB completed and now have the same mpg issues. I was getting 17-18 in the city, and I now get 14.5-15.5. WTF??? I upgraded my exhaust to a magnaflow cat back system, and Airaid cold air kit prior to the TSB fix and was getting great mpg. Since the TSB I am not getting any better than my grandpa's 2013 f-150 w/5.0.
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I just had it in at the dealer for an oil change and another TSB concerning a humming noise from the transmission. I voiced my concerns and the dealer just told me "everyone is complaining about bad MPG on the ecoboost" and that was all. They have no interest in it at all. They also tried to tell me it was my cold air intake that was the problem. Said my Mass airflow sensor was upside down. Umm This truck doesn't have a mass airflow sensor, it has a MAP sensor!!! IDK what to do. I will deal with it until I can trade it in and get a V8. My gpa's 2013 5.0 is getting the same mileage I am!!!
I have a 2013 f150 xlt with 3.5L ecoboost. The problems I had is loss of power when wet and humid and starting problems. The Dealer has made the latest changes to the cooler. It has not lost power as of this date, but I still continue to have starting problems. No one seems to be talking about the starting problems. What is your thoughts? Thanks Dave D
2013 is kind of new but they had starting issues due to leaky injectors which will take some time to verify. Have you brought it in for this concern specifically?
So, it seems like TSBs are important updates to driveability concerns and vehicle longevity. Does Ford Service charge for these PCM updates? Should I remove these "deflectors" immediately and worry about the PCM update later, or do everything in the course of a day?
so does it worth to buy the ecoboost 2014 or not because im just about to buy one tommorrow ! thx
I would buy a 2014 yes.
Have a question for you. I have a 2013 f150 ecoboost. I have a cold air intake and aftermarket blow off valve. I have white smoke on startup only lasts for about 2 minutes or so. Also I have a code for random misfire only every 3rd drive cycles or so. No other cylinder just random. Any idea? Yes plugs changed.
i have a 2013 king ranch f150...live in South tx where its humid about all year...would this cause the truck to stall and have a check engine light and have the truck engine to almost stall, and not accelerate...i then turn off then on and reprograms and works like nothing
I just had this TSB done about 2 weeks ago. I am sitting at the dealer yet again for the same shutter and power loss. This is my 7th time having this truck serviced for the shutter. I have a 2013 FX2 Ecoboost. I am so disappointed in this truck. I would love for ford to just buy this thing back.
Sounds like you need to find another dealer. I am sad to admit dealer service techs can vary greatly from dealer to dealer and even from one side of the shop to the other as in my case.
These videos are great - I have a 2014 EB - purchased used from ford dealer as certified used. I see the top deflector is still on. Is the calibration only able to be updated at the dealer ? Trying to decide if I should push to have the deflector removed and PCM updated as you have stated? Any help is much appreciated
Brian where is on a 2013 where is the boost gauge on an F-150
These catch cans work great depending where you live. If the temperature drops below freezing and your can happens to fill up, it will freeze solid, then like on my truck(2012 F150 echo boost) you will blow the seals out on your turbos, soaking your exhaust system with oil then taking out your o2 sensors. As you can guess after a ton of repairs the cans came off.
Interesting. Never thought of that. I live in Montana and it gets real cold here. So now what do we do if the intercooler gets moisture build up and we can’t use catch cans? This is crazy. So far my catch cans are working great! But I never thought of the freezing thing.
How did your catch cans perform in the winter?
Just thinking about installin one. Never thought about that thanks.
FordTechMakoloco:
I am having issues with the truck downshifting from 6 to 1st at highway speeds. Also, the truck has started knocking into neutral and revving to the limiter, then shifting all over the place.
I have pulled P0720 and P0721, and believe this is leadframe related. The LSF has been recalled from 2010-2012, but the '13 has not been covered in the past. My local dealer told me on the phone that the recall has been extended to the '13, as well, so I made an appointment. After taking the truck to the crooks (long story) at Lance Cunningham Ford, they quoted me $700.00, and said that it was NOT covered. I have done a search, and my VIN is not recalled. Any ideas why Ford hasn't addressed this very serious issue, and what can be done to force Ford to step it up before somebody gets seriously hurt or killed? Thanks!
I have a 2013 and I have no issues with misfires. However, I have noticed a milky substance in the PCV hose that smells like bad fuel. I have also noticed a rise in my oil level and a fuel smell is present on the dipstick with only 1500 miles on this oil. Any ideas?
There is actually a brand new tsb out that addresses your concern TSB 14-0040 have them do that TSB.
Does the cal update change how the truck drives at all? Power delivery changes or anything? Seems like if you cranked up the boost may be a-ok.
I have a 13 with a livernois tune in it - never had an issue.
Others have reported the turbos sounding like they are spooled up more of the time yes but otherwise nothing noticeable.
Just had misfiring happen on my drive from Florida to Maryland. happened around orlando during heavy thunderstorms with high temperatures (around 80 F). Felt like half the cylinders were misfiring, downshifting to 3rd gear at highway speed fixed the problem and didnt happen again during the entire 1100 mile trip. Check engine light was flashing and I was not able to maintain highway speed in 6th gear
Neil Caulfield pull the intercooler tubes, bet you have liquid buildup in it.
Does the 2.7 ecoboost have this issue? I'm trying to buy a 2915 3.5 or 2.7.
My 2013 3.5 intercooler shows an AC marking. No shield on top or lower. No issues with engine but over 4 years I have experienced a power hesitation more than once. She's running great since the Ford dealership service writer told me last month it showed misfires on 3 cylinders and needed 6 plugs all for $300 dollars!!!! Called him back and told him to hold off on plugs, I could have it done for $100 and the SOB matched the price right over the phone. NOW THAT PISSED ME OFF and I told him to take a flying leap to hell. The service manager called me back and tried to smooze things over and I told him I was going to social media with their BS. GD bunch of thieves.
My mistake..............my F150 is 2012 not 2013.
Welcome to the Stealership
My dads term for those guys were, the god damn gangster 😀
My 2013 Lariat 3.5l ecoboost's intercooler is marked "A2". is this a current code?
The 2011s have a miss under a load pulling something due to bad programing in the computer.A friend of my dad's brother in law had this happen to him when he had his 2011 F150 with the ecoboost.Jasper Engines and Transmissions already has 6 of these on test stands finding the problems with them.The Jasper rep that stops at my father's shop has talked to Ford techs that have seen blown headgaskets and fuel injectors blowing out of them
Fords...
My 06 taurus gets a misfire code very often, only once a month ten goes away... Been doing since 20,000 miles, has 95,000 now.
I have a 13 eco boost f150 and had no problems at all have 20000 miles but I have a tune and it runs great 13.3 in the quarter no problems get a liver noise tune and have no problems u have to get on it sometime so if there is any condensation it will blow the little amount through if you wanted a slow truck you should of just got the 3.7
Agreed!
Thanks for your video. I have a 2012 FX4 that has a shudder problem from a stop under any acceleration, slow to fast. I had the AC CAC and the dealer put the lower shield on and reflashed the PCM about six weeks ago, it didn't help at all. I now am trying an aftermarket CAC (Wagner-Tuning) and I'm thinking there's more going on here as the problem still persist. After the shudder off the line, it runs fine as it always has. The service guy says: they all have turbo lag and I know what that is but I think it's more than that. I went to the SP534 plugs and it helped then I went to the NGK 6510 (one heat range cooler) and it helped even more. But the problem is still there. It's a fast truck and once the turbos spool it spins the tires in second gear and doesn't stop til I hit forth gear. Any ideas?
Your problem is a drive line shudder. This is common on the ecoboost because of the torque, and I bet yours is a long wheel base those are the worst. The dealers have been shimming the pinion and or trans mount with decent success but what fixes them the best is using the trans mount from the Ford Raptor fixes them almost every time. Ask the dealer to contact the Ford Tech Hotline they will tell them, the Field Service Engineers recommend them all the time.
FordTechMakuloco
Thank you so much for your reply, It's a 5.5' bed supercrew. I knew it was something I missed after hours of web searches that all turned up to be bad coil packs, coil pack wire harnesses to TSBs on the CACs. I even re-gapped the NGK 6510s to .025 with a little more improvement yet that cost me a smooth idle. Now I have the ammo needed to tell the dealer what's needed to fix it. I'll put the SP534 plugs back in and take it in to the dealer. Thanks again.
Sounds good.
Probably the 5.0L still the least risk of issues then? I've seen a couple 5.0's on F-150/forums having loud knocking, requiring a new short block. Have you seen anything like that before?
MattN03 Yes the early 5.0l had knocking issues I have a time lapse video of me doing one here on the channel.
2011 f150 ecoboost 33000 engine light flashing went into limp mode. Dealer replaced coil packs ran good until 53000 engine light came on. Dealer installed air deflector. Here's the story with ecoboost, drive it like a racecar blow water out of intercooler regularly so it doesn't accumulate and choke your motor. At 53000 drove it like a granny for a while , next thing engine light flashing. 3.5 ecoboost likes to be ran hard full acceleration.
Yup like our diesels.
The only prob is then you don't get the MPG savings advertised, may as well get the 5.0!!!
FordTechMakuloco what is means to drive it hard? Don’t want to blow my engine either :(
My 2014 ecoboost is in the shop right now for this issue, they are trying to tell me its not covered by my powertrain warranty, how can this be?
I have2013 3.5 L ecoboost build date Nov4 2013. I have the top shieldon the cooler. no codes coming up . so do I remove it myself or wait for codes and take to dealer
I own a 2012 Ff150 ecoboost with AD on the cooler. Do I need to remove the stick on flap on the bottom and the deflector on top, and have the dealer recalibrate? I have not had any problems with the engine and i have 35000 kms on it now
For the AD cooler the bottom half stick on should be there while the upper front deflector should be removed and upper rear stays then a reflash yes.
Thanks so much, looking for a used truck and you helped me a lot!!!! Are there mileage stipulation on this one?
Are 2014's having these problems still? Or have these issues been ironed out in the 2014. Trying to decide between a 2014 Long Bed HD Payload with either the Ecoboost or 5.0, thanks for any advice.
84fiveo Yes 2013 and 2014 are having the issues too as the tsb states. The issue is minor and it seems the tsb's are a good fix so far.
FordTechMakuloco
Thank you sir for the help, I think I will go with the 5.0 just to be on the safe side, tried and true, thanks again.
I have a 2013 ecoboost, and had the same PCM update you refer to last week for an unrelated issue (problem with the battery management system). 4 days after the PCM update, I pulled out to pass someone on the highway and the truck fell on its face. Went into full limp mode (wrench and check engine light both illuminated) . Brought it to the dealer today...they removed the deflector plate as per the other portion of the TSB and say that was likely why it happened. Does this make sense?
Seems to me like this TSB is just another shot in the dark since, if I understand your explanation correctly, the PCM update will allow the engine to manage the water from the CAC. But in my case still had the deflector plate, which should result in less water accumulation, couple that with the PCM update and I should not have had this happen if it were a true fix.
Long story short, I don't think this is the fix we are all hoping for!
Was it a rainy humid day? What were the codes that set? A misfire should not set the wrench light.
FordTechMakuloco it was about -2 Celsius, a bit humid. accelerated hard to pass, check engine light flashed, then wrench came on and I lost all power. code P0306 was set.
I have a 2014 with AD build. There is a top shield but no lower on the cooler . It is an early build 14. I wonder if that was a final update ?
Do you know how I would go about getting ford esp on a used truck that I am looking at a different dealer?
And in your opinion, would you rather go with ford esp or a dealership aftermarket warranty?
Go to the dealer and they can set you up with one. Either get Ford esp or Easy Care only! Ford esp is preferred but easy care is very good about paying claims and not jerking you around over any one else.
I have a 2013 with the upper shield I never had and issue with almost 64k on the truck should I leave it or take off the upper shield
Just had the stumble issue today on my 2012 EB. My intercooler is a model B, but you didn't mention that in the video. This was "fixed" a few months ago, the dealership installed the deflector shield and replaced one of the cats. Is there a new intercooler or better fix for the 2012? I'm heading to the dealer first thing tomorrow morning, but want to be as informed as possible.
SeabassAssassin No nothing new yet
FordTechMakuloco Thx, I'll be watching too. I just bought a 2011 that has model AB. I haven't had any issues but should I try to get an updated intercooler just in case? I love your videos and I appreciate all the information you are sharing with us!
Evan McNeil I would not worry about it unless it becomes a problem.
Hi, Brian!
I have a 2014 F150 with the 3.5l Ecoboost and 175k miles. It developed a cylinder #2 misfire and I followed all of your suggestions to remedy that. Thank you for that,
Now, when I accelerate, instead of a normal engine sound and performance response, it is sluggish and the exhaust note sounds like the old Powerstroke diesel. Any ideas??
I currently have the same problem. same year 155k
Find the issue?
@@colbychesnut14how it go?
Any chance you can update the link to the catch can you recommend?
Just from reading all your posts you answered mi question! I'm going with the 5.0 .2015 models should have all these issues fixed? You would think wright!!!
The 5.0l is pretty rock solid now, unless they jack with it and mess something up it should be fine also.
I have a 2012 FX2 with the 3.5L EcoBoost engine. are these air deflectors covered in the warranty thru FORD. I have less than 20,000 miles on my truck so I haven't had any issues yet but I don't want to wait for that either.
The air deflector removal and pcm reflash is covered by your warranty yes up to at least 60k miles if not 80k. You must come in with this concern as outlined in the tsb. Most dealers will just do it because you will likely not bring it in on a humid day anyway. The tsb doesn't pay much so us as techs just do them instead of wasting 30min road testing to see if it applies.
FordTechMakuloco thanks,
I just bought a 2015 XLT ecoboost 3.5 4wd. I changed all plugs+coil packs. I keep getting a miss fire on #1. What should I be looking at next. BTW, I swapped out the new coil with another new one just in case. But no difference.
Let me know if you found the problem. I’m having the same issue.
@@juniorlopez9293 I changed my coil pack again and this time I wired the connector in place. So far its ok
I have a friend with a 2013 F150. It around 11k miles, and he has noticed a skip when he pulls his trailer/golf cart. He has installed an Edge programmer. I was curious if you could tell me how much the programmer would affect the skipping issue? I haven't asked him to check to see which design # he has, so i can't provide that part just yet.
Bobby Augustine The skip is likely due to the plugs not the cac design unless it is humid every time he pulls it i.e. early morning golf out with moist morning dew. Has he checked plug gap?
With such low mileage, I highly doubt it. I'll bring it up to him tomorrow. Thanks for the suggestion!
No they were kind of all ov er the place gap wise from the factory that is why I say check gap and then see if it is humid times only.
Does this apply to a 2016 3.5 EcoBoost ?
Makuloco what do you think the calibration did or changed?
I have a 2013 KGCT3GA strategy code all my tunes are writing for that but if I really need thjs tsb, I will do it.
Now let me tell you my dealing with this, I had it twice in one day only and it had rained for three days. I took the cac off and drianed in then drilled a 1/16th hole at lowest point. What do you think of the hole? And what do you recommend as for as tsb. Everything has been okay snice but It hasn't raines again yet. Thx
+Blake Langley They don't specify what it changes even out hotline cannot tell us. Many have reported the turbos staying spooled up for longer maybe to keep the air and condensation moving. If you want to keep your current strategy I would install a catch can instead.
I have a 2011 I drove the truck into the bay to be worked on rebuilt the trans and hook the battery up and the truck wouldn't start so I scanned it and it said it was the fuel pump so I changed the pump tried to start it and it still wouldn't start up so I rescanned and it came up with a code for PCM what do I do to reset this PC m I tried to disconnect the battery for about 30 minutes and a truck still won't start anybody have any answers that would I don't know what else to do
Ok thanks big help. I think it's normal probably the gear that I'm in at that time I'm guessing. And sounds good I'll take it off since high heat is right around the corner.
Just picked up my 2014 F150 with ecoboost and it was made in April 2014. Fortunately mine is all taken care of since it was made later. My intercooler says AD and no air blockers. :-)
Sweet you are all set!
FordTechMakuloco Yeah, but now I'm paranoid about that carbon build up on the intake valves in one of your other videos. LOL Hopefully that won't affect mine. Not sure.
FordTechMakuloco Quick question. I watched your older video about the spark plug cracking. My truck is brand new and was built in April 2014. It has the AD labeled intercooler. Is there any more info on the misfire in wet/humid conditions and/or the spark plugs cracking?....should I watch mine carefully or do you think at this point they've pretty much resolved the misfire issue due to too much moisture in the intercooler and the cracking spark plug problem? I guess I'll make a mental note to replace the plugs around 60 or 70k even if I don't notice any problems. Let me know what you think :-)
There are still cases out there but the 13-14's are allot less prone to it, spark plug cracking on the other hand is few and far to begin with, most are changing the plugs around 50-60k miles and finding they are due.
FordTechMakuloco Thanks
Mine just started shuddering while under full throttle, but it goes away after beating it really hard for a few seconds.
Same, have you found out what may be causing this??
My truck had a shudder (torque convertor shudder?)under load, going up a hill etc.
Ford had a dozen or more "ideas" what was causing it, all of them sounded suspicious.
My truck was under the lead frame sensor recall but was out of the mileage they would cover .
Some Ford suggestions: Are you in 4WD on dry road, obect caught around axle, 2 piece axle, MAP sensors bad, flash ECM, new battery, battery cable loose, Cat Conv, etc.
2 different dealers and dozens of ideas, none correct. (even after leaving it for 3 days until they could look at it)
Went to OReilly auto parts, they scanned it, code said misfire bank 1.
Pulled the #1 plug, replaced it with new Motorcraft plug in bank 1 only.
Problem solved.
I ordered a catch can , arrives tomorrow. My truck does have the cold/wet weather sputtering on startup issues many report.
Hope this helps
How do you reprogram after I take them off
No, the main concern was the loss of power, I mentioned the problem of hard starting, on the first oil change and also when I took it in for the loss of power. Dave D
I'm so REALLY confused... all I ever find when looking for ecoboost issues, they all seem to be related to F-150. Is the F-150 the ONLY 3.5 ecoboost that suffers from these issues?? The reason I ask is bc I own a '13 MKT with 3.5 ecoboost and when I nail it to get away from road turds, it'll sound like a machine gun (misses??). My service advisor (VERY trusted IMO) tells me it's a rev limiter situation. I'm wondering if these problems are specific to F-150's or do they relate to all 3.5 ecoboost?? Anybody?? thx.
Thanks for the Info. But what about 2013 f150 5.0. Repeated #6 Misfire. New Coil, Spark Plug and Injector. Each is Receiving Input Signal. Is there something going on internally? Thanks Sam
It could be internal like a coolant or oil fouling the plug but I would perform a compression test next. Also for the heck of it I would reset the KAM and perform a misfire profile correction.
I have already reset kam and misfire profile correction, No fouled plug, seems to only misfire at idle, Pressurized cylinder with shop air and i can hear hissing in intake. Intake Valve????
+Sam Tedder if that cylinder is on the compression stroke and you hear air then yes one of the intake valves
thanks
What about the new 2015 3.5 v6 ecoboost ?? Does it come with this problem ?
of course..it's a 3.5 Ecoboost
my wife just got broke down . i have a 2013 f150 3.5 ecoboost and she was driving home the check engine came on and it has no power . it is hard to start and when it does idles very rough and then will just quit . is thi my problem ya think ?thx
ray briand It should still start. What are the codes?
I have a 2014 SHO. It did the same exact thing. Ended up being the high pressure fuel pump going out.
+bloodduck316 wow new cars are junk
Man im starting to regret buying a ecoboost. My engine light went on, then disappeared and the next day came back on. Is it normal for it to be making a click noise?
GrizzyVII my 2014 did this. Is it a clicking sound coming from the front drivers side near the radiator? Turned out to be a bad map sensor in the manifold.
Mark Sadler how did you check it ?
oh good i just bought an ecoboost last week and a monster storm is about to hit northern california
Im in NorCal too and I don't believe it will be an issue for you unless you live in the bay area where it's humid all the time. Im loving this ecoboost towing the trailer over my old 4.6 ltr V8, Im in the Redding, CA area and haven't had any condensation (even though I check all the time). Granted it get's to 100-116(f) in the summers here I dont think condensation could even form at these summer temps.
should I be worried I have a 2012 fx4 eco boost and last summer on a road trip had 6 total shut downs off power with a real bad shacking.it was raining all 6 times . went to 4 dealers to get updates and the plugs changed but could there be damage down to my engine from this problem and can it kill the longevity of my engine. it happened only when I was passing and hard on the gas.
No damage to the engine so don't worry but the left hand cat can get damged but would have shown by now. They didn't update the cooler at all?
No thy put the blockers on changed a bunch of sencers and thw wire harness and have had carbon cracks on my pmugs 5 times now
yeah that's pretty common on these.
your truck shut down 6 times and you wanna know if you should worry..? hmmmm..
Did this TSB seem to take care of the stumble/miss fire conditions?
MattN03 It does for some and not for others.
If the new turbo-charged engines have looser fitting piston rings then install a oil trap canister in the PCV circuit to stop the oil from accumulating in the intake valve port and around the valve stem itself to cure the problem, in my humble opinion....
+Chas Fischer I absolutely agree and have been recommending the monster can for years now-amzn.to/1SZp7xR
I have a 2013 eco and whenever I get on it or have WOT it studders and the check engine light starts blinking..... It probably does this for about 30 to 45 seconds..... Almost a total loss of power until the light stops blinking.... Anyone know what could possibly be going on?
Yes. Most likely the condensation in the intercooler (CAC) is causing it. 1. Drill a 1/16" weep hole in the bottom of the CAC (Search here for it). 2. Replace all plugs and coil packs, especially if you're over 60k miles. 3. Install a catch can (there's a link in this video's description). Those 3 things should fix your issue.
TSB-14-0040 says to remove the block heater if it has one and plug but if it doesn't have one install a block heater? Is that correct?
No, it states to remove the block heater that is in the thermostat housing and put a new one in the side of the block where it should have been in the first place.
What if it doesn't have a block heater to begin with?
Then you just add this new one for the side of the block is all.
Why would you add a heater if the truck didn't have one from the beginning and does not operate in cold weather?
Well you wouldn't the tsb states it is only applicable to trucks operated in 32 degree or lower weather.
Hi Ford guy I have a 2011 F150 EB with 54000 miles when I accelerate from a stop slowly there is a slight vibration. Feels like it starts from the engine. Do you think I should replace the spark plugs?
If it is engine related yes I would replace the spark plugs they are due right about now anyway. You sure it is not from the driveline.
FordTechMakuloco I have a 2013 with the "shake" or vibration on accel from a stop. It is an issue with Fords 2 piece driveshaft used on the 6.5ft box trucks. Most have the 5.5 and don't have the issue. I have had mine at 5 dealers and most wont help at all and the last one was able to improve it but it is still there. Very frusterating to have a brand new 45k dollar truck that shakes and Ford can't fix it
derekr454 That is why I asked if his was a driveline vibration well known issue on the ecoboost with the long driveline. What a few engineers where using was the Ford Raptor Trans mount and that fixes them right up. Did they try that?
They won't help me any more than they have already. I drive a lot and my 36k mile warranty has since expired. I will be rapidly approaching my 60k mile this year. Seems like they just wanted to give me the run around until my warranty ran out. I haven't had much positive experience with Ford Service especially involving anything warranty related. I love the truck for the most part but the service has been so poor I may switch back to Chevy :/
I would try the raptor mount yourself then, shouldn't cost too much and is easy to install and then it should all be fixed and you can enjoy the truck. I have heard it is a 3/4" mount so that would bring it down some and then the driveline angles would be more inline. We have this problem on the new superduties also and some of them have a completely new driveshaft design and that fixes the issue but the raptor mount fixes the F150's.
Does anyone know or can share a video on replacing the turbo inlet sensor and connector on a 2013 F-150 EcoBoost? Thanks in advance
my 2012 has a code of AC so im wandering if this is a test cooler
I have 2013 EcoBoost please let me know what can intercooler post to go
Luckily my pop's truck has been good to him. 2013 w/ 3.5. 55k on it. Luckily the trucks in AZ so don't have to worry about many damp conditions
Does this have any relationship to a intermittently high pitched whine coming from the turbo boost pump under the air cleaner box? 2012 F-150 K.R. 3.5l EB 38K
+Michael Reinhardt No relation at all.
actually I misidentified the part in question I suppose its the vacuum pump thats located directly behind the headlight and under the air filter box. Does this intermittent noise coming from the pump indicate imminent failure? I brought to the dealer they said under the ext warranty if they cant diagnose the problem I'm out $140. Seeing that this part replacement is easy enough to perform should I just bite the bullet and replace myself or wait until I have no braking???
+Michael Reinhardt If it is the old style pump yes. Here is the latest pump- www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00M37UJY0/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=B00M37UJY0&linkCode=as2&tag=fordt-20&linkId=ZGTUS7TPU44BVN74Latest Harness to match- CL3Z-9C490-D
+Michael Reinhardt here is how to change it-th-cam.com/video/sxo2QVwbDkI/w-d-xo.html
Thank you agin for you responses. One more questions. So when I turn on the vehicle the pump goes one and it does vibrate significantly and makes the high pitched noise and then goes off after about 6-10 seconds. Would you consider this behavior signaling a imminent failure? I ask because I'm trying to as specific as possible so the dealer diagnoses the problem and replaces the pump under the extended warranty
Well I pulled the trigger on a 2015 3.5 EB. And behold 1700 miles on it . (Issue city) 2nd time at the shop. On the Highway heard a Loud pop loss of power no more awesome MPG's. No more turbo boost. Just a check engine light on mi dash.....💀💥🔫
Oh no!
+FordTechMakuloco ok,I feel like I need to fix this. Issue with mi truck was hose clamps that are somewhere in the turbos dealer fixed issue . No more problems I enjoy driving the ecoboost more than the raptor. Now that's a bold statement.
+FordTechMakuloco hi, I am interested in a used f150 2012 or 2013 range. should I get a v8 5.0 or the ecoboost 6 cyl? I have heard there are lots of issues with ecoboost. I know very little about trucks, I just like the f150 style. please respond thanks.
I have 2013 fx2, same problem, is a same fix
Is only on the f150's or every 3.5l EB? I just bought a 14' flex.
Only the F-150
FordTechMakuloco thanks for the reply
i only have the top deflecter in front of the intercooler and behind?
Is the Explorer with the 3.5 Ecoboost part of this?