Disclaimer: "What If Sonic Lost His Memory?" was written and created before Mar 2022. Accordingly, the story of this What-If was tailored to operate around the foregone "Two Worlds" canon. 🌏🌏 Just think "Sonic X canon" if it makes it more digestible. *That said, a retcon may be introduced later to accommodate-- retrofitting the events of this What-If to transpire on Earth solely. (Details TBD)*
Ik this was made like WAY before the latest Sonic Twitter Takeover but I just thought I'd mention that in the latest one Shadow says the reason Sonic didn't/couldn't save him was because he waved Sonic away, knowing that if Sonic went after him they'd both lose their super forms and perish. You probably already knew that but just something I thought I'd mention.
Shadow fell from space because that was his first time being in super form. Sonic had no problem with it but in the JP Version, Shadow’s lines indicate that he’s struggling with maintaining the form
I like to imagine that during Sonic's sacrifice, he says something along the lines of "Shadow...you're the Ultimate Lifeform now", a nod to Shadow saying how he believes Sonic is the true Ultimate Lifeform during the original final battle.
Wiley Johnson you a whole you ruin Sonic and I don't like what you did because Sonic is not stupid and that would never happen for shadow to wish his wife the reason why is because that Sonic needs to live shadow did a good thing but Sonic doesn't need to die
@@SonnyM963 ... Dude, it's just a joke, please calm down; Plus, it's a joke of how Eggmans saves Hedgehog when they fall from space, not swapping them.
@@user-fe7sn5eq4h no you got me wrong. i meant mephiles sonic. because mephiles took shadow form so we get mephiles with sonic form i should have said. A mephiles with sonic form
MaxiSZ no it’s my fault, I didn’t understand in the first place and I kinda just took the joke route because that hat some potential. My fault for confusion, sorry about that.
I guess the closet explanation we got towards Shadow falling instead of Sonic was confirmed in the Japanese sub (some of the dialogue hinting towards the main reason of Shadow's fall is highlighted during the final boss against the Biolizard.) In which it's explained that it was Shadow's first time transforming into his super form so he felt weaker and couldn't hold the form for as long as Sonic could. Hence he fell to Earth.
I always thought it was because he allowed himself to fall. Shadow does say "I must destroy all the evil the professor has created.", which included himself prior to his heel realization.
@@Sungura_Kaiser No you had to wait around a bit as one of the super hedgehogs and it eventually reveals that Super Shadow was beginning to get exhausted. In Japanese sub anyway which is the cannon version as SA2's plot was made in Japan
This has been highly requested since I started doing Sonic: What If.. I hope it delivers! (Stay tuned 'til the end for a surprise-appearance by an unexpected character!) Ps: Sorry for any *minor* green-screen errors or graphical twitches in the video. I'll be sure to have them sorted out by the next one!
The Sega Scourge Honestly this is really Awesome! There was a fanfic with this idea but Amy Rose for What ever reason became a Edgy punk & I didn’t like that, So seeing your version of Amy in this makes more sense, The only thing I’m wondering is what’s gonna happened when the Black Arms Invade? With Shadow Already knows who he is, he will not be manipulated by Black Doom, I’m really Invested into the story to see where it goes, I am Surprise to see Silver this Early on in the series, I’m curious to know what’s gonna happened next! (Thank you for reading.)🙏
Honestly wasn't expecting to feel that mixed on this what-if scenario as I'm now, as much as I would like to see a different take on Sonics personality, I was expecting it to be more of him re-learning or getting back his memories about his various powers, and maybe without his imprisonment by Eggman and rather him accidentally falling into Eggman's custody as he forgot he was in constant conflict with him, and yeah then things can go on like in HeroesAlso not exactly biggest fan of how harsh things go, with Knuckles towards Shadow, and also later with Sonic towards his friends when he lost his memory like ok Knuckles is emotional nad could jump on Shadow like that but probably over time he would at least accept that Shadow tried his best to save Sonic by cost of his life and just don't be this harsh all the time and Sonic, even if he lost his memory, doubt he would attack anyone because of not knowing them, and if he started to have flashbacks of his past maybe he would even try to get more info out of his friend about it by talking rather than attacking them also memory recalls being painfull... Nah, maybe would distract and confuse him but pin sounds like a bit too much, anyways waiting for part two but so far this feels a bit overdone at points I mentioned
I like where this "What If" is going. You have great storytelling abilities and the way you are cohesively putting the parts together makes sense. Keep up the great work. :)
Neither time nor physics can resist breaking in the presence of Silver Well physics is fine if it's rivals Silver, 06 on the other hand... (i actually like 06 fyi)
The idea of Sonic being rescued by one of Eggman's robots is actually somewhat canon for Shadow in his game. If you spend 10 minutes fighting the true final boss of the game, Eggman confesses that he lied to Shadow about being a robot; when everyone thought Shadow died, Eggman rescued him thanks to one of his robots.
Me: playing Kingdom Hearts 3 Level One Critical Mode All Superbosses, seven seconds from defeating Xehanort Sonic: falls from orbit, crashes into my house and cuts the power
@@ceoofceos5219 Actually, you shouldn't be so sure of this. First, look at his song's lyrics: "If you step in the ring, the you're gonna regret it. (Take it)" it would honestly be paradoxal for someone to tell you specifically NOT to do something, then switch to "DO IT" in less than 10 seconds, right? Plus, how come he suddenly considered shadow as a mere obstacle and targeted SONIC when he was humiliated by SHADOW? It doesn't make sense! If he was in control, Shadow would be his main target, THEN Sonic! Plus, even if he DID attack Shadow, he didn't do anything major. Trust me, judging by infinite's personality and his reaction to his beating, he would've tried to either terminate Shadow or completely break him if he was still the one in control.
Sonic: I know the Chaos Emeralds' power better than you! Shadow: Three days ago you didn't even know what Chaos Control was! Sonic: Hey, man, I know 'em like the back of my hand! *looks at back of hand* When'd that get there?
I’m in love with this concept, but I hope you make it to where shadow becomes more and more friendly with the other heroes. I wanna see knuckles and him bond. I want to see shadow, while staying himself more or less, connect with characters that he typically wouldn’t have in the main timeline. Shadow is my favorite character in the franchise, and I think your doing him a great justice here. I like how you are making not only about shadow, but sonic as well. I want to see how this scenario changes the dynamic of sonic and Amy, if at all. One thing I wish you touched on was shadow and Amy’s friendship. It was Amy that helped shadow see the error of his ways on the ark in the final moments. I’d love to see a friendship spark between the two. Ain’t gotta be anything serious (although i am a shadamy shipper lol) I just feel like there is untapped potential there in the form of a strong friendship. There are so many great possibilities you can do here, and I feel like your off to a great start. I personally can not wait to see how the story unfolds, and see where you take this what-if. I absolutely love it. Please continue this soon. Keep up the good work!
You bring up some excellent points here. I'll be sure to advance Shadow's relationship with other characters in later parts! And Sonic's bonds too! I'm just really glad you liked my depiction of Shadow, and the events of this what-if overall! Thank you! 💚
The Sega Scourge your very welcome. I started watching with your werehog what if, and I’ve been hooked since. When I saw this was going to involve a heavy role on both shadow and sonic, I was more than excited. You have an excellent eye for these types of stories, and take them in very creative ways, so I’m excited to see where you take this story. I’ll definitely be tuning into the latter parts of your story.
my version of this would involve shadow getting more friendly after bonding with tails and knuckles and then start roasting all the sonic bosses like sonic did
I mean that was Shadow’s doing since the 5th Twitter Takeover (like at 20:15) confirmed that Shadow didn’t let Sonic catch him when he tried to since it would’ve led to them both “dying”
SILVER!!!!!! Oh my gosh I love Silver! He's one of my faves. Dang, this story has been the most emotional so far... keep up the good work! i can't wait to see what happens next!
Haha I'm really trying to tug at people's heart-strings with some of these what-ifs - I'm glad you approve! And I promise there will be plenty of Silver goodness in Part 2! 💪
Wait...if silver is here during heroes then that means mephiles isn’t far behind, the only reason silver knew sonic existed was because of mephiles, scourge if you want I️ could try to think of a sonic mephiles design if you haven’t found one or thought of one already
The issue I have with Heroes taking place in Sonic’s world is that the only way the two worlds thing works in continuity is if it’s a Sonic X like scenario where they are stuck, otherwise why are they just chilling on this alien planet? But that’s a nitpick, love the series! Always preferred Shadow so it’s cool in this that he gets to have the spotlight, and in this case the amnesia plot actually makes Sonic more interesting.
I honestly don't have a problem with Izuka's two worlds. Earth and Mobius are clearly two different planets. It makes much more sense than people give it credit for.
I like to imagine that Knuckles sensed the Chaos Control starting and pitched in as well. Of course, he knows full well that he doesn't compare to two Supers, but every bit counts in such a dire situation, right?
I have a question about the Werehog story, are you staying in the game canon, or will you be going into the IDW Universe? I think the Metal Virus arc with the Werehog would be interesting.
Don't get me wrong, Silver's early arrival was shocking and absolutely amazing. But I'm actually really interested in seeing how the Black Arms invasion goes now that Shadow still has his memories, and already has his moral aliment chosen before the Invasion Began. Black Doom isn't going to be able to manipulate Shadow in any way.
Black doom: shadow kill 35 gun soldiers Shadow: nope Black doom: what but they killed maria Shadow: i know but im a hero nit a villain Black doom:........welp im screwed
This one of my favorite theories by far along with the werehog theory. I also think that silver arrived earlier then suppose to because the events of 06 could be altered with Sonic being the actual Iblis trigger being tricked by eggman, forcing him to relentlessly attack Elise and his friends. And/or gets tricked by Mepholis to have the intent of killing all of those je crosses path with, helping mepholis plan to destroy all before completely remembering who he is, bursting into fleetway or dark super sonic to right his wrong. Ending the 06 story in kind of the same fashion it did before but this time, sonic is more aware of hos surroundings, losing the iconic trust he usually puts into everyone, being more distant and trapped in the reality of realizing that he wasn't the same blue hopeful hedgehog he was before. He then begins to seemingly disappear from the planet an outcast, hoping to redeem himself to not only himself but his forgot friends too. Sonic now runs into battle with a neutral energy, thinking ahead before he rushes into battle. The same egotistical hedgehog we all know and love is now gone forever. All that remains is sonic, the blue forgotten hedgehog, the hero lost within the wind.
JVC YTc actually I think it has nothing to do with what Sonic does differently but what he could do the same and Mephilis doesn't want that. You see I think that Sonic might've gotten his memories back at that point but Mephilis sees Sonic as more of a threat if that happened so he sent Silver further back to stop that from happening to give him an advantage.
These are some wonderful ideas, and the way you describe them is very poetic and macabre. Well done! Thank you for such an involved comment - I hope I can keep you hooked in later parts!
I’m loving this new Sonic What if Series. When I was younger, I would frequently think about stuff like this and try come up with a bunch of different alternate timelines. Now finally seeing someone more professional doing it makes me really excited everytime I see an upload of this series. I’m looking forward to whatever you do next with it.
1:05 it actually was implied by the dialogue that Shadow’s Super Form was outright unstable and was killing him as he used it. The inhibitor ring concept was added later.
I know the Garrulous64 did take his theory into a fixing Infinite video and then made sequels to it. He did sat at the beginning that it was with the Sega Scurges permission, so I have a feeling he wouldn't do something like that as there is already one done. I mean unless he has vastly different ideas which could easily be the case.
@@goldninjagaming9505 I mean I'm not saying he never would. It is still a complete possibility, hell I would absolutely love for him to do one. I'm more thinking that Garrulous's theory was based on the scurges theory.
That was some story. Imagine Sonic being the new Shadow the Hedgehog and Shadow being the new Sonic... That would be awesome! Not the same thing as my old Sonic AU idea, but close enough. =w= Now here's my Sonic: What If idea: What if Amy Rose finally gave up and grew out of Sonic and starts falling in love with another guy? =D
Okay I think it would be exceedingly cool if Garroulus 64 collaborated with him and smashed the rewrite and what if series together for an episode or too
@@NetMoverSitan He wouldn't need his memory intact. You're forgetting that he's not very trusting of others in this What If, being more likely to dismiss them or outright _fight_ them than anything else.
This video is 4 years old but i just want to say i was super invested and i love how you tell the story. Imagine how happy i am to find out that this what if story isn't abandoned
So, watching these have made me look back on the games and mad me discover a really interesting au. A sonic forces one! What if sonic never escapes, his friends written him off as dead, and seeing him replaced with the avatar character, becomes Fleetway super sonic? Leading to a bait and switch antagonist like sonic games are known for
Interesting What If, I like how you never let Sonic get his Memories back right away since amnesia takes a while to recover depending on how much damage to the head is, and since he fell down from space to Earth, it will take a long while. And I am guessing Silver will probably doing something either good or stupid to change the future.
@@edwheezer6231 XD Well, I guess In the future Something Bad happened, So, Either Sonic will be the main Baddie or Someone/Something else entirely. And Yea. XD
Wow, you fixed nearly every problem I had with Heroes's story, characters and continuity. One change I would make though: I'd have the amnesia plot end once Sonic sees all of his friends gathered in one place and reaffirms who he is during the battle with Metal Sonic. Also not a huge fan of ending Heroes with a cliffhanger, since it would probably be better to have it be its own adventure. I'm excited to see how you handle the events of Shadow the Hedgehog! (And 06 too, apparently?)
its really refreshing seeing a youtuber talking about sonic with genuine passion and seriousness rather than just making fun of it. loving this series and im only on the first one!
I think Sonic would be fine. After what happened in Heroes and Shadow's own game, I'm pretty sure people like Tails and Knuckles would more than likely help Sonic remember who he is. Unlike with Shadow where literally no one (not even Sonic himself) would offer to help get his memory back. Instead, simply send Shadow on various fetch quest that in no way help regain his memory.
I don't often leave comments on YT in general, but these videos of yours are certainly a food for thought for me when it comes to imagining different scenarios, and I like that!
If eggman were to instantly finish him off, he killed the opportunity to make another metal Sonic far superior than the original (Or of were going with your theory about metal Sonic, just another metal Sonic that maybe is a bit taller)
This is fantastic! This is one of the most wonderful and interesting yet saddest Demensions I could witness. Please continue with the story, I absolutely love it!!!
@@segascourge: It's basically the same as in English then ''The original must exist somewhere.'' I was referring to ''You know about cloning...'' thanks for replying man! I'm also confused that in Heroes they look exactly like Shadow but in Shadow they look exactly like robots.
shadow: *shakes head indicating sonic is dead* knuckles: now die what shadow would do if this was shadow the hedgehog (2005): *pulls out ak47* you were saying.
It's interesting how in Sonic Heroes, without this theory in mind, how interchangeably Shadow and Sonic's roles are. Shadow's line "it'll be a date to die for" exchange makes more sense to me if the roles are reversed. Sonic Android's, make much more sense, and gives an interesting role for Metal Sonic as well.
My personal headcannon is that the games operated in one world, but in two halfs (human's called their half of the planet 'Earth' and the Mobian's half either earth, too, or Mobius, whatever. I don't think any Sonic characters named the planet before) So there are a bunch of supernatural elements that the Human's are cool with as they would have that knowledge of mobian's, but on their half of the planet it is like our regular old earth. By the time Sonic Forces Rolls around, Eggman destroys all human life and their organizations as he takes over the world, which is why we never see G.U.N., humans and no one else ever referencing them. This what if is certainly very interesting and will continue watching.
If Earth and Mobius (or whatever you what to call the anthro world) are 2 halves of 1 planet why didn't GUN go to Mobius during Forces? Earth and Mobius are clearly 2 separate planets that only the anthros and Eggman know how to travel between the two. Only plothole is why Team Dark not tell GUN about the method of travel but during Forces they seem to have left GUN.
@@modmaker7617 As I said in my message, It's my personal headcanon that when Eggman took over the Earth in Forces, he wiped out the human half first since they would provide the most resistance, what with organizations like G.U.N. and actual lethal, non wisp based weapons and missles. The only reason I do not like the two worlds thing is because it requires everyone to either be together, good guys and bad guys, to go back at the same time, or amazingly be lucky enough to find warp rings by themselves, and I do not believe I have seen any warp rings in games that had human based environments, only the Sonic world based ones. Again, It's only personal headcannon, no need for an extended dispute of who is right and wrong.
@@Shywhitefox Warp Rings are a mystery but I respect your headcanon yet I disagree with it. I 100% buy into the 2 worlds because I see no rational explanation why humans (except Eggman) don't appear in some games like Classic, Heroes, Colours, Generations and Lost World not even mentioning Forces also the anthro citizens from Forces never appeared in the pervious games. Like GUN would probably want to investigate Eggman's amusement park if Earth & Mobius are one planet.
@@modmaker7617 That is perfectly fine and thank you for respecting my opinion, even if You do not agree with it and certainly see the logic in your own claims. You are certainly one of the better Sonic fan's I have met, Mod. Take care of yourself.
Rewatching this, I do have a few questions. Why was Silver's future devasted, with androids indiscriminately destroying everyone in sight, when in this au they're under Eggman's command? Do they go rogue like Metal did? What would've events looked like without Silver's interference?
This is really good actually and it would have a much better way for shadow to stay in the franchise as opposed to the way they actually did keep him in it and it would have been a great way to show a different side to sonic before eventually becoming his normal self again and then could turn to shadow to thank him for being there when he wasn't. I think this would actually have been a very good idea. What if they did an alternate SA2 and sonic heroes game I actually would buy it with absolutely no hesitation
*_IT'S NO USE!!!_* ...In all seriousness though, great vid, Scourge! I can't wait to see all the wacky hijinx that Silver brings to the table in the next episode!
Yeah, Heroes undoubedly takes place in Sonic's world, since Forces is also in Sonic's world (mostly inhabited by non-humans, weird language and writing on buildings and signs, direct statements in interviews, etc.) Also, I've always thought in my mind that Forces' Metropolis looked a lot like Heroes' Grand Metropolis, but made more pristine and modernized Edit: 21:25 Scourge's voices are honestly really well done, his tone immediately made me think of Silver before he said who it was
Disclaimer: "What If Sonic Lost His Memory?" was written and created before Mar 2022. Accordingly, the story of this What-If was tailored to operate around the foregone "Two Worlds" canon. 🌏🌏 Just think "Sonic X canon" if it makes it more digestible.
*That said, a retcon may be introduced later to accommodate-- retrofitting the events of this What-If to transpire on Earth solely. (Details TBD)*
Ik this was made like WAY before the latest Sonic Twitter Takeover but I just thought I'd mention that in the latest one Shadow says the reason Sonic didn't/couldn't save him was because he waved Sonic away, knowing that if Sonic went after him they'd both lose their super forms and perish. You probably already knew that but just something I thought I'd mention.
I really never thought about that
But that Sonic amnesia thing is part of the storyline of the new Sonic game, Sonic Frontiers, releasing in Holiday, 2022
Shadow fell from space because that was his first time being in super form. Sonic had no problem with it but in the JP Version, Shadow’s lines indicate that he’s struggling with maintaining the form
@@TheDelusionalBlueberry it’s not dude
I like to imagine that during Sonic's sacrifice, he says something along the lines of "Shadow...you're the Ultimate Lifeform now", a nod to Shadow saying how he believes Sonic is the true Ultimate Lifeform during the original final battle.
That really makes me wonder if the writers had something in mind with that. Had Sonic Adventure 3 had panned out as originally planned.
Damn that’s a good line for this what if
@@moedef8388 yyjhhhh;h;;;;;classiic
he'd probably say that then give a little wink
The intro to the video is basically "two guys with super powers argue over who will commit suicide first"
That is the greatest summary, lmao
comment of the year
Rainbow Vader
Hilarious
As they say, “suicide is badass.”
LATE ARRIVAL SPOILER
This is the final battle in Sonic X all over again,with roles reversed
A Hedgehog: Dies.
Eggman: "It's rewind time."
Wiley Johnson you a whole you ruin Sonic and I don't like what you did because Sonic is not stupid and that would never happen for shadow to wish his wife the reason why is because that Sonic needs to live shadow did a good thing but Sonic doesn't need to die
@@SonnyM963
... Dude, it's just a joke, please calm down;
Plus, it's a joke of how Eggmans saves Hedgehog when they fall from space, not swapping them.
@@SonnyM963 you know nothing about the story do you
YAHHHH
Knuckles BBQ 711 the Echidna WTF is wrong with you he did nothing but made a joke also you must of not played adventure 2
Sonic: Loses his memory
Silver: *Time to ruin the continuity*
we are getting a mephiles sonic-
No MaxiSZ, we will not get a Mephiles Sonic ship.
I think they meant Mephilies in the form of Sonic the way he took shadow's form in 06
@@user-fe7sn5eq4h no you got me wrong.
i meant mephiles sonic. because mephiles took shadow form so we get mephiles with sonic form i should have said. A mephiles with sonic form
MaxiSZ no it’s my fault, I didn’t understand in the first place and I kinda just took the joke route because that hat some potential. My fault for confusion, sorry about that.
sonic: starts to remember
Silver: YEET
I can just hear "Yeet" in Silver's voice now 😂
I did hear it XD
@@segascourge same
No it should've been that Silver says "IT'S NO USE"
*i b l i s t r i g g e r*
What if Dr. Eggman went back and got his teaching degree after his defeat in Generations?
I need this so bad now.
It's the most important episode
@@jhgproductions7295 The Sonic franchise Would be changed forever If it happened in the games.
@@CoolFennekin it would be a change for the better
@@jhgproductions7295 We need this, We need to see the timeline where this happend....
I guess the closet explanation we got towards Shadow falling instead of Sonic was confirmed in the Japanese sub (some of the dialogue hinting towards the main reason of Shadow's fall is highlighted during the final boss against the Biolizard.)
In which it's explained that it was Shadow's first time transforming into his super form so he felt weaker and couldn't hold the form for as long as Sonic could. Hence he fell to Earth.
I always thought it was because he allowed himself to fall. Shadow does say "I must destroy all the evil the professor has created.", which included himself prior to his heel realization.
It was confirmed in shadow the Hedgehog that Eggman saves shadow
The Gstar 5000 there’s a theory that super transformations are hard and Sonic has a huge amount of chaos mastery. This is the Sonic is an alien theory
@@Sungura_Kaiser No you had to wait around a bit as one of the super hedgehogs and it eventually reveals that Super Shadow was beginning to get exhausted.
In Japanese sub anyway which is the cannon version as SA2's plot was made in Japan
@@Eman02kG That is true tho it is harder to maintain a super form but I don't think Sonic's an alien.😂😂
Broke: He skipped Advance 1 & 2
Woke: He skipped Pinball Party
I laughed more than I should have 😂
@@segascourge can you PLEASE make part 2 i cant wait any longer
@@ENNARDENTERTAINMENT19871983 Part 2 won't be for a while yet, sadly! I've got to continue some of my *other* what-ifs first. Hang in there! 💪
@@segascourge ok thanks for replying
@@segascourge and also since your continueing the other what ifs can you do what if sonic never lost the werehog form 3? Please
This has been highly requested since I started doing Sonic: What If.. I hope it delivers! (Stay tuned 'til the end for a surprise-appearance by an unexpected character!)
Ps: Sorry for any *minor* green-screen errors or graphical twitches in the video. I'll be sure to have them sorted out by the next one!
The Sega Scourge
Happy New Decade! 🥳
The Sega Scourge
Honestly this is really Awesome!
There was a fanfic with this idea but Amy Rose for What ever reason became a Edgy punk & I didn’t like that,
So seeing your version of Amy in this makes more sense,
The only thing I’m wondering is what’s gonna happened when the Black Arms Invade?
With Shadow Already knows who he is, he will not be manipulated by Black Doom,
I’m really Invested into the story to see where it goes,
I am Surprise to see Silver this Early on in the series,
I’m curious to know what’s gonna happened next!
(Thank you for reading.)🙏
Don't forget this would have been the most ballest move ever. Killing the main character and beloved aswell.
Maybe in the future Sonic is the villain, having been manipulated by Black Doom to lead the Black Arms into battle and conquer the world
Honestly wasn't expecting to feel that mixed on this what-if scenario as I'm now, as much as I would like to see a different take on Sonics personality, I was expecting it to be more of him re-learning or getting back his memories about his various powers, and maybe without his imprisonment by Eggman and rather him accidentally falling into Eggman's custody as he forgot he was in constant conflict with him, and yeah then things can go on like in HeroesAlso not exactly biggest fan of how harsh things go, with Knuckles towards Shadow, and also later with Sonic towards his friends when he lost his memory like ok Knuckles is emotional nad could jump on Shadow like that but probably over time he would at least accept that Shadow tried his best to save Sonic by cost of his life and just don't be this harsh all the time and Sonic, even if he lost his memory, doubt he would attack anyone because of not knowing them, and if he started to have flashbacks of his past maybe he would even try to get more info out of his friend about it by talking rather than attacking them also memory recalls being painfull... Nah, maybe would distract and confuse him but pin sounds like a bit too much, anyways waiting for part two but so far this feels a bit overdone at points I mentioned
I like where this "What If" is going. You have great storytelling abilities and the way you are cohesively putting the parts together makes sense. Keep up the great work. :)
That's a really encouraging compliment - thank you Broman 🙏
No problem, Scourge. :)
@@segascourge when is pt.2 coming
@@segascourge when is part 2?
PLZ. I NEED TO KNOW WHAT HAPPENS NEXT!!!!
As soon as I heard the Cyan Glow, I'm like, "Why in gods name is he h e r e? This doesn't f i t."
But then I remembered he's a time traveler.
Time: *exists*
Silver: IT'S NO USE!!!
Neither time nor physics can resist breaking in the presence of Silver
Well physics is fine if it's rivals Silver, 06 on the other hand... (i actually like 06 fyi)
@@spartanwar1185 I like 06 too lmao
Was silver even in Heroes? Not that it makes any difference I'm just curious.
@@shadowwolf1762 Silver was never made at the time. 06 was his Debut game.
The idea of Sonic being rescued by one of Eggman's robots is actually somewhat canon for Shadow in his game. If you spend 10 minutes fighting the true final boss of the game, Eggman confesses that he lied to Shadow about being a robot; when everyone thought Shadow died, Eggman rescued him thanks to one of his robots.
Yep! That's where I took that idea from! 👍
Black Doom: Shadow, give me the chaos emeralds, as promised
Shadow: no
Anyone else reeally appreciate the use of the multiplayer metal skin as the Sonic Androids? That was a nice call.
It just seemed appropriate. Glad you approve 😄 Just wait, I've got some big plans for the Sonic Androids later in this story
@@segascourge Can't wait, the possibilities are endless.
@@MazakuHQ 🎵 endless possibilities~🎵
Also this is the better story. U just beat Sega in storytelling. Wow.
@@segascourge what if Rouge and E-123 Omega was in Team Sonic
Me: Yes he’s going to rememb-!
It’s Silver
Me: WHAT IN THE-!?!?!?
Meanwhile on Earth:
Me: Aaaand uno!
Sonic: *slams into the ground behind me
Me: *confused screaming*
Edit: Ah yes, cringey me strikes again.
😂😂😂
I dont get it
me: *finally catches a riolu in pokemon shield* YES
sonic:
lands
me: *switch breaks* ...
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Me: playing Kingdom Hearts 3 Level One Critical Mode All Superbosses, seven seconds from defeating Xehanort
Sonic: falls from orbit, crashes into my house and cuts the power
Echo Solaris
Me: Alright, time to play some games!
*Sonic slams into the ground near me*
Me: AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
I can't wait for part two. Also, when are we getting "What if Sonic never lost the werehog form part 3?"
It's coming, I swear! 😌 Sorry to keep you waiting, haha
SegaScourge: What if Sonic lost his memory?
IDW: WRITE THAT DOWN, WRITE THAT DOWN!
Oh yeah, I almost forgot Sonic lost his memory in IDW. He landed in Blaze's world due to the Warp Topaz
Wait, so if Shadow is on the main team and goes Super instead of Sonic...
Doesn’t that mean that this is called Shadow Heroes?
But, What 'bout Soni- i mean Shaodw Generations
The Butler Brothers Shadow Heroes!!!Shadow Heroes!!!
Aaaaaaaaaaaayyyyy!!😎That makes so much sense!
implying that Team Shadow would be as gelled as Team Sonic.
knuks is still fuckign mad
Then isn't team sonic then team light?
Sonic falling down to earth: Talk about a low budget flight!-
No food or movies? Im outta here
Sayanora simp
what if: sonic was taken over by the ruby in sonic forces instead of jackle?
"wow, this guy is as fast as sonic! wait..." ~tails
But infinite wasn't taken over he had full control over what he was doing.
@@ceoofceos5219 Actually, you shouldn't be so sure of this. First, look at his song's lyrics:
"If you step in the ring, the you're gonna regret it. (Take it)" it would honestly be paradoxal for someone to tell you specifically NOT to do something, then switch to "DO IT" in less than 10 seconds, right? Plus, how come he suddenly considered shadow as a mere obstacle and targeted SONIC when he was humiliated by SHADOW? It doesn't make sense! If he was in control, Shadow would be his main target, THEN Sonic! Plus, even if he DID attack Shadow, he didn't do anything major. Trust me, judging by infinite's personality and his reaction to his beating, he would've tried to either terminate Shadow or completely break him if he was still the one in control.
Why Am i here, oh I wish.
sonic would turn into a beserk monster.
Sonic: I know the Chaos Emeralds' power better than you!
Shadow: Three days ago you didn't even know what Chaos Control was!
Sonic: Hey, man, I know 'em like the back of my hand! *looks at back of hand* When'd that get there?
Sliver: "I'm going into the past to save the future."
(Fast forward)
Me: "Welp, Canon's been screwed!"
I’m in love with this concept, but I hope you make it to where shadow becomes more and more friendly with the other heroes. I wanna see knuckles and him bond. I want to see shadow, while staying himself more or less, connect with characters that he typically wouldn’t have in the main timeline. Shadow is my favorite character in the franchise, and I think your doing him a great justice here. I like how you are making not only about shadow, but sonic as well. I want to see how this scenario changes the dynamic of sonic and Amy, if at all.
One thing I wish you touched on was shadow and Amy’s friendship. It was Amy that helped shadow see the error of his ways on the ark in the final moments. I’d love to see a friendship spark between the two. Ain’t gotta be anything serious (although i am a shadamy shipper lol) I just feel like there is untapped potential there in the form of a strong friendship.
There are so many great possibilities you can do here, and I feel like your off to a great start. I personally can not wait to see how the story unfolds, and see where you take this what-if. I absolutely love it. Please continue this soon. Keep up the good work!
You bring up some excellent points here. I'll be sure to advance Shadow's relationship with other characters in later parts! And Sonic's bonds too!
I'm just really glad you liked my depiction of Shadow, and the events of this what-if overall! Thank you! 💚
The Sega Scourge your very welcome. I started watching with your werehog what if, and I’ve been hooked since. When I saw this was going to involve a heavy role on both shadow and sonic, I was more than excited. You have an excellent eye for these types of stories, and take them in very creative ways, so I’m excited to see where you take this story. I’ll definitely be tuning into the latter parts of your story.
my version of this would involve shadow getting more friendly after bonding with tails and knuckles and then start roasting all the sonic bosses like sonic did
OffAndSphere I like that, but I think his personality wouldn’t really change that much
So Shadow could have been completly fine if Sonic actually caught him.
WOW-
I woulda said something about no air in space
But i forgot that mobian hedgehogs apparently don't need oxygen to live, according to sega anyways...
@@spartanwar1185
Maybe the atmosphere is doubled more than our own earth and that’s what sonic and shadow breathe in space.
@@joshuahecht6866 the ARK could also have some kind of artificial atmosphere surrounding it.
I mean that was Shadow’s doing since the 5th Twitter Takeover (like at 20:15) confirmed that Shadow didn’t let Sonic catch him when he tried to since it would’ve led to them both “dying”
SILVER!!!!!! Oh my gosh I love Silver! He's one of my faves. Dang, this story has been the most emotional so far... keep up the good work! i can't wait to see what happens next!
Me too. :)
*sonic 93 emerges from the shadows*
Excitement intensifies! :3
Haha I'm really trying to tug at people's heart-strings with some of these what-ifs - I'm glad you approve! And I promise there will be plenty of Silver goodness in Part 2! 💪
Wait...if silver is here during heroes then that means mephiles isn’t far behind, the only reason silver knew sonic existed was because of mephiles, scourge if you want I️ could try to think of a sonic mephiles design if you haven’t found one or thought of one already
Soon as I saw this video pop in, I moved faster the Hyper Sonic chasing a chilly dog with extra chilly and cheeze.
Not to be rude, as I love the joke, it’s chili and cheese, not chilly and cheeze.
@@sonc_ I know I didn't realise the mistake till it was to late
Daemon Lord6787 It’s okay.
Haha, perfect metaphor 😊 Thank you for being so excited to watch
@@segascourge Your my favorite Sonic What ifer I think your one of the only few that does Sonic what ifs.
The issue I have with Heroes taking place in Sonic’s world is that the only way the two worlds thing works in continuity is if it’s a Sonic X like scenario where they are stuck, otherwise why are they just chilling on this alien planet? But that’s a nitpick, love the series! Always preferred Shadow so it’s cool in this that he gets to have the spotlight, and in this case the amnesia plot actually makes Sonic more interesting.
I honestly don't have a problem with Izuka's two worlds. Earth and Mobius are clearly two different planets. It makes much more sense than people give it credit for.
I like to imagine that Knuckles sensed the Chaos Control starting and pitched in as well. Of course, he knows full well that he doesn't compare to two Supers, but every bit counts in such a dire situation, right?
I have a question about the Werehog story, are you staying in the game canon, or will you be going into the IDW Universe? I think the Metal Virus arc with the Werehog would be interesting.
CrossFire34
Without his Super Speed Sonic is really Screwed! 😱
i think he's sticking to the game canon for now, but that would be pretty interesting
@@rosanirodrigues557 i was about to agree with you but then i had a though. what if the dark gaia in him makes him immune?
What about the Archie comics?
would zombot sonic stay in werehog form or would he still change?
What if sonic lost his memory
1: he would become scourge
2: eggman would turn him into metal sonic
3: dark sonic
Not scourge, scournic.
Scournic is PINK!
@@stg4theglitchog768 scrouge is sonic.......
@@killinghawkzfind a name for Sonic!
@@killinghawkz scourage is sonic from another dimension
SILVER, SILVER IS IN THIS, SILVER AS IN THE BEST SONIC CHARACTER OH MY GOD I LOVE SILVER SOOOOO MUCH
Wow so much silver fans, i didn't expect that...
@@kenwalkensdeadchannelcanal2886 oh you should have silver is best boi
I'm excited about Silver's appearance too! :D
@@SilverShadow13100 silver is best boy
@@SilverShadow13100 also I can just tell by your name
Sonic: *about to regain his memories*;
Silver: I'm about to do what's called a pro-gamer move.
NANI!!!!! WHAT SLIVER DOING IN HEROES THIS EARLY IN THE STORY!!!!!!! This getting real interesting keep up the good work! 👍
Don't get me wrong, Silver's early arrival was shocking and absolutely amazing. But I'm actually really interested in seeing how the Black Arms invasion goes now that Shadow still has his memories, and already has his moral aliment chosen before the Invasion Began. Black Doom isn't going to be able to manipulate Shadow in any way.
Black doom: shadow kill 35 gun soldiers
Shadow: nope
Black doom: what but they killed maria
Shadow: i know but im a hero nit a villain
Black doom:........welp im screwed
This one of my favorite theories by far along with the werehog theory. I also think that silver arrived earlier then suppose to because the events of 06 could be altered with Sonic being the actual Iblis trigger being tricked by eggman, forcing him to relentlessly attack Elise and his friends. And/or gets tricked by Mepholis to have the intent of killing all of those je crosses path with, helping mepholis plan to destroy all before completely remembering who he is, bursting into fleetway or dark super sonic to right his wrong. Ending the 06 story in kind of the same fashion it did before but this time, sonic is more aware of hos surroundings, losing the iconic trust he usually puts into everyone, being more distant and trapped in the reality of realizing that he wasn't the same blue hopeful hedgehog he was before. He then begins to seemingly disappear from the planet an outcast, hoping to redeem himself to not only himself but his forgot friends too. Sonic now runs into battle with a neutral energy, thinking ahead before he rushes into battle. The same egotistical hedgehog we all know and love is now gone forever. All that remains is sonic, the blue forgotten hedgehog, the hero lost within the wind.
JVC YTc actually I think it has nothing to do with what Sonic does differently but what he could do the same and Mephilis doesn't want that.
You see I think that Sonic might've gotten his memories back at that point but Mephilis sees Sonic as more of a threat if that happened so he sent Silver further back to stop that from happening to give him an advantage.
@@shard7549 that's actually sounds interesting too! Maybe he'll see our theories and add them in the next part. Wishful thinking but it's possible!!
@@JVCYTc that "hero lost in the wind" part was really poetic
@@modelomegatyler thanks!! I really appreciate it 😁
These are some wonderful ideas, and the way you describe them is very poetic and macabre. Well done! Thank you for such an involved comment - I hope I can keep you hooked in later parts!
I’m loving this new Sonic What if Series. When I was younger, I would frequently think about stuff like this and try come up with a bunch of different alternate timelines. Now finally seeing someone more professional doing it makes me really excited everytime I see an upload of this series. I’m looking forward to whatever you do next with it.
1:05 it actually was implied by the dialogue that Shadow’s Super Form was outright unstable and was killing him as he used it. The inhibitor ring concept was added later.
For one of your What Ifs, can you do a story of what if you were right about Infinite?
I know the Garrulous64 did take his theory into a fixing Infinite video and then made sequels to it. He did sat at the beginning that it was with the Sega Scurges permission, so I have a feeling he wouldn't do something like that as there is already one done. I mean unless he has vastly different ideas which could easily be the case.
@@kimzee59 well, Scourges' theory was very different from his, so he still could do it.
@@goldninjagaming9505 I mean I'm not saying he never would. It is still a complete possibility, hell I would absolutely love for him to do one. I'm more thinking that Garrulous's theory was based on the scurges theory.
That was some story. Imagine Sonic being the new Shadow the Hedgehog and Shadow being the new Sonic... That would be awesome!
Not the same thing as my old Sonic AU idea, but close enough. =w=
Now here's my Sonic: What If idea: What if Amy Rose finally gave up and grew out of Sonic and starts falling in love with another guy? =D
Okay I think it would be exceedingly cool if Garroulus 64 collaborated with him and smashed the rewrite and what if series together for an episode or too
A man of culture I see
11:58 That right there is an incredibly good point, even in the old cartoons, Eggman wanted to capture and research Sonic
Hmm.. What happen if Sonic lost him memories..
It would make it easier to forget Sonic 06 and other terrible Sonic games...
his**
He would have been more scared and panicky
Atleast Sonic 06 didn't pander to nostalgia with classic sonic. And come on, Sonic Boom was a lot worse.
And it would stop u from writing this comment
@@Victor-um9ce atleast boom sonic didn't kiss a human
1:10 It's important to note that those being inhibitor rings is actually a retcon introduced _after_ SA2.
I didn't have a chance to check these stories out before, but i'm glad I finally get to experience what you've got here! Really liking this so far!
Thanks so much, Garrulous, that means a lot! And yeah, I guess you get the complete package now, since this What-If just wrapped up!
Thanks so much, Garrulous, that means a lot! And yeah, I guess you get the complete package now, since this What-If just wrapped up!
YO I WATCH THAT GUY!! I love his “fixing ____” videos. I’d love to see a colab.
I actually like this AU! I really want to see more from this! Will there be a Part 2? I really hope so, as this AU is awesome! I mean it.
There will definitely be a Part 2, yes. And thank you! 😛
@@segascourge Happy to be subscribed. Hero Shadow all the Way!
@@segascourge You’re welcome and I am looking forward to watching it!
Now this story is something I’d love to read in comic form!
That was unexpected, kinda forgot bout 06 till silver appeared, can't wait to see what you do bout shadow the hedgehog's story
8:09
“LET’S GET TO WUURRRRK!”
**mad dash outta the scene**
Nobody:
Not a single living soul on Earth or Mobius:
Me: 🔫 Werehog Part 3. *NOW!!!*
"Having power and knowing how to use it are 2 different things" - Sonic The Hedgehog
Thankfully Amy is a good person, otherwise she'd take advantage of him in that state.
Assuming he'd even let her try. He seems too standoffish for that to even get close to occurring.
@@syweb2 If he had his memory intact, that would be the case.
@@NetMoverSitan He wouldn't need his memory intact. You're forgetting that he's not very trusting of others in this What If, being more likely to dismiss them or outright _fight_ them than anything else.
@@syweb2 Exactly, he wasn't that accepting of doing that with his memory intact, never mind without it.
This video is 4 years old but i just want to say i was super invested and i love how you tell the story. Imagine how happy i am to find out that this what if story isn't abandoned
Love these videos! Can’t wait for more!
Your pfp fits so much with this phrase.
Well, well. I wasn't expecting to see you when I clicked on this. hope you're doing well.
YOOO!! YOU TOO? I saw garrolous64 comment on this vid too. I love your vids
(sees the thumbnail and title)
Me: SAY NO MORE THIS IS ALREADY A MASTERPIECE!
DUDE PLS...MAKE A PART 2 SOON. THIS IS AWSOME
What if Cosmo (Sonic X) never died?
21:34
It was very good can't wait till the next part
I'd imagine sonic being similar to how cherry quartz acted when she was uncorrupted
So, watching these have made me look back on the games and mad me discover a really interesting au. A sonic forces one! What if sonic never escapes, his friends written him off as dead, and seeing him replaced with the avatar character, becomes Fleetway super sonic? Leading to a bait and switch antagonist like sonic games are known for
Interesting What If, I like how you never let Sonic get his Memories back right away since amnesia takes a while to recover depending on how much damage to the head is, and since he fell down from space to Earth, it will take a long while. And I am guessing Silver will probably doing something either good or stupid to change the future.
"Doing something either good or stupid to change the future" basically describes Silver's entire existence. Well said, my good sir. XD
@@edwheezer6231 XD Well, I guess In the future Something Bad happened, So, Either Sonic will be the main Baddie or Someone/Something else entirely. And Yea. XD
It's been a LONG ASS TIME since I haven't been *this* invested in a story
This is my favorite What If so far, keep it up !!
This what if is
Honestly my favorite one now. It's such a dark/very intriguing idea to think of.
Wow, you fixed nearly every problem I had with Heroes's story, characters and continuity. One change I would make though: I'd have the amnesia plot end once Sonic sees all of his friends gathered in one place and reaffirms who he is during the battle with Metal Sonic. Also not a huge fan of ending Heroes with a cliffhanger, since it would probably be better to have it be its own adventure. I'm excited to see how you handle the events of Shadow the Hedgehog! (And 06 too, apparently?)
Story does make sense with sonic loosing his memory even though it’s also sad, looking forward for part 2
its really refreshing seeing a youtuber talking about sonic with genuine passion and seriousness rather than just making fun of it. loving this series and im only on the first one!
"'IT SHOULDVE BEEN YOU'-"
EGGO WAFFLES AD ENSUES
What a kind and encouraging compliment - I really appreciate that 💚
I think Sonic would be fine. After what happened in Heroes and Shadow's own game, I'm pretty sure people like Tails and Knuckles would more than likely help Sonic remember who he is. Unlike with Shadow where literally no one (not even Sonic himself) would offer to help get his memory back. Instead, simply send Shadow on various fetch quest that in no way help regain his memory.
I know this is at least 2 years late, but this has happened at least once in the comics. As in, the Sonic losing his memory part, nothing else.
This is GREAT!
:D
I wanna hear more!!
Its like a good fanfic!
10/10
I don't often leave comments on YT in general, but these videos of yours are certainly a food for thought for me when it comes to imagining different scenarios, and I like that!
If eggman were to instantly finish him off, he killed the opportunity to make another metal Sonic far superior than the original
(Or of were going with your theory about metal Sonic, just another metal Sonic that maybe is a bit taller)
This is fantastic! This is one of the most wonderful and interesting yet saddest Demensions I could witness. Please continue with the story, I absolutely love it!!!
This is honestly pretty cool 😎 I wouldn’t mind checking out more installments of this series
Say no more. 😎 I'll be sure to deliver
10:31 I know this is incredibly late, but Cream's introduction in Adv2 would've been a decent character point
Sonic Androids.... even though Omega states that they're clones.
Actually, he only states that in the dub! In Japanese, he says "In order to create copies.. existence of the original is required."
@@segascourge: It's basically the same as in English then ''The original must exist somewhere.''
I was referring to ''You know about cloning...'' thanks for replying man!
I'm also confused that in Heroes they look exactly like Shadow but in Shadow they look exactly like robots.
Sonic dying at the end of SA2 would've been the perfect setup for SA3
Who else is here to binge watch this entire series after the new episodes?
shadow: *shakes head indicating sonic is dead*
knuckles: now die
what shadow would do if this was shadow the hedgehog (2005): *pulls out ak47* you were saying.
I kinda wish this was one of IDW's comic arcs. This is SUPER interesting!
It's interesting how in Sonic Heroes, without this theory in mind, how interchangeably Shadow and Sonic's roles are. Shadow's line "it'll be a date to die for" exchange makes more sense to me if the roles are reversed.
Sonic Android's, make much more sense, and gives an interesting role for Metal Sonic as well.
14:41
TH-camrs: Seeing he's desire to do-
Ad pops up
Ad: Loser!
Me: XD
My personal headcannon is that the games operated in one world, but in two halfs (human's called their half of the planet 'Earth' and the Mobian's half either earth, too, or Mobius, whatever. I don't think any Sonic characters named the planet before) So there are a bunch of supernatural elements that the Human's are cool with as they would have that knowledge of mobian's, but on their half of the planet it is like our regular old earth. By the time Sonic Forces Rolls around, Eggman destroys all human life and their organizations as he takes over the world, which is why we never see G.U.N., humans and no one else ever referencing them.
This what if is certainly very interesting and will continue watching.
If Earth and Mobius (or whatever you what to call the anthro world) are 2 halves of 1 planet why didn't GUN go to Mobius during Forces?
Earth and Mobius are clearly 2 separate planets that only the anthros and Eggman know how to travel between the two.
Only plothole is why Team Dark not tell GUN about the method of travel but during Forces they seem to have left GUN.
@@modmaker7617 As I said in my message, It's my personal headcanon that when Eggman took over the Earth in Forces, he wiped out the human half first since they would provide the most resistance, what with organizations like G.U.N. and actual lethal, non wisp based weapons and missles.
The only reason I do not like the two worlds thing is because it requires everyone to either be together, good guys and bad guys, to go back at the same time, or amazingly be lucky enough to find warp rings by themselves, and I do not believe I have seen any warp rings in games that had human based environments, only the Sonic world based ones. Again, It's only personal headcannon, no need for an extended dispute of who is right and wrong.
@@Shywhitefox
Warp Rings are a mystery but I respect your headcanon yet I disagree with it.
I 100% buy into the 2 worlds because I see no rational explanation why humans (except Eggman) don't appear in some games like Classic, Heroes, Colours, Generations and Lost World not even mentioning Forces also the anthro citizens from Forces never appeared in the pervious games. Like GUN would probably want to investigate Eggman's amusement park if Earth & Mobius are one planet.
@@modmaker7617 That is perfectly fine and thank you for respecting my opinion, even if You do not agree with it and certainly see the logic in your own claims. You are certainly one of the better Sonic fan's I have met, Mod. Take care of yourself.
He’s going to lose his memory in Frontiers
So far so good, it seems that Scourge is going all out on this one
wait, now I realized, how did sonic survive so many falls while shadow died??
Right? 😂
Rewatching this, I do have a few questions. Why was Silver's future devasted, with androids indiscriminately destroying everyone in sight, when in this au they're under Eggman's command? Do they go rogue like Metal did? What would've events looked like without Silver's interference?
Me -* sees title *
Also me - Why dont sega look more at the media
NOOOOO I NEED MORE! Plz continue the story, it’s amazing
your wish has been granted
Can you do "what if:Sonic didn't run from Amy In Sonic CD"
This video: *Exists*
IDW: WRITE THAT DOWN!
AND THEN DROP IT IN THE NEXT ISSUE FOR SOMR REASON!
"I have amazing news, sonic is alive!"
"No way! That's excellent!"
6:28 Knuckles: IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN YOU, NOT HIM. IT’S NOT FAIR!
21:06 I dunno why but that made me laugh. I can't wait to see what happens next tho! Nice job, luv these sonic what ifs
This is really good actually and it would have a much better way for shadow to stay in the franchise as opposed to the way they actually did keep him in it and it would have been a great way to show a different side to sonic before eventually becoming his normal self again and then could turn to shadow to thank him for being there when he wasn't.
I think this would actually have been a very good idea.
What if they did an alternate SA2 and sonic heroes game I actually would buy it with absolutely no hesitation
*_IT'S NO USE!!!_*
...In all seriousness though, great vid, Scourge! I can't wait to see all the wacky hijinx that Silver brings to the table in the next episode!
Here is an idea involving what some people thought Infinite was gonna be before forces was released
What if Infinite was a brainwashed Tails?
OOOOH THIS MEANS WE ARE GETTING A MEPHILES (with form of) SONIC Y'ALL!!!
Yeah, Heroes undoubedly takes place in Sonic's world, since Forces is also in Sonic's world (mostly inhabited by non-humans, weird language and writing on buildings and signs, direct statements in interviews, etc.)
Also, I've always thought in my mind that Forces' Metropolis looked a lot like Heroes' Grand Metropolis, but made more pristine and modernized
Edit: 21:25 Scourge's voices are honestly really well done, his tone immediately made me think of Silver before he said who it was
"What if shadow became infinte insated of zero "
( zero was infinte's original name )