The Underappreciated Brilliance of Hyper Sonic
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 7 ม.ค. 2020
- #sonicthehedgehog #hypersonic #sonic3&knuckles
Let's take a look at Sonic's underappreciated secondary transformation and how it served as the connective tissue for one of the greatest games ever made. - เกม
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"He was untouchable. Except when he was touched in just the right way..."
Kids, there's nothing more cool than being hugged by someone you like, but if someone tries to touch you in a place or in a way that makes you feel uncomfortable, that's no good! It's your body! No one has the right to touch you if you don't want them to! So what do you do? First, you say no, then you get outta there!
* THAT'S NO GOOD *
Sonic says 😂
your an elite
I can imagine sonic getting touched by a badnik on the back, loses his emeralds and starts talking to the nadnik to tell him to never do that again to him and other people
@@gutzu265 Sonic Sez* xD
Hyper Sonic is in every game, he's just so fast you can't see him
Yuca Luca this comment deserves more likes
Deja vu
They had to make him invisible, so people wouldn't get seizures.
Too fast for even then aided eye!
Hyper Sonic the Hedgehog!
Yuca Luca 666 likes?
I just now noticed how Sonic’s emotions look in the different forms
In non-super mode he looks pretty normal, cheerful and happy to be there
In Super mode he looks determined, like he’s in a rush to get something done
But in Hyper Mode.. he knows he unstoppable, he knows he can’t be killed or stopped, his power is limitless and he knows.
Super knuckles: im gonna end this man whole career
when you just realized this is implying that hyper sonic can canonically absolutely fucking one shot any being
one punch man fans: nnoooooo!1!1!!1!11!1! saitama is storngrr!!!!!!!!!
@@cheerful_idiot super knuckles: not so fast
@@kaloz429mobile9 super knuckles canonically can just two shot anything, basically one punch man, two punch man
@@cheerful_idiot follow the logic
Normal knuckles can K.O super sonic
Super knuckles (maybe) can K.O hyper sonic
(Maybe) hyper knuckles can K.O exetior (sonic.exe)
Funny thing is, they could’ve said that the super emeralds were temporary, as in you over charged the chaos emeralds and eventually they would go back to normal and would have to be over charged again to gain the hyper form.
Another reason we don't see it in other games is because the creator of dbz got mad when sonic got a new form for his super state and tried to sue which kinda almost worked until Sega just said they'll never use it again, which ironically enough ultra instinct came out and looks similar to hyper sonic and let's be honest if hyper sonic was called ultra instead of hyper db would've deada** used that name hyper instincts sounds better than ultra too so yeah if db never said that we'd probably see hyper way more
@@sonsonthegoddessofconfusio3183 that isnt true at all, the Creators of Sonic and DB where great friends. they took inspiration from each other constantly, they were great friends. i doubt he got sued.
@@unruelycayde4143 you don't know shit then, I seen and read the reason hyper isn't used anymore
(I apologize for that ʎon qıʇɔɥ comment)
@Son son the goddess of confusion with a quick look on Google i found absolutely nothing that points to your statement being true, its all speculation that has no proof. I doubt you even have proof of your claims.
Also cussing someone out for no reason makes you look like childish idiot.
@@ionryful 1. You cussed me out first “don’t know shit then”
2. You’re claims also don’t have any solid proof.
3. Even if I’m wrong, your right, doesn’t matter, you didn’t have to be rude. Have some manners.
I'm going to assume Hyper Sonic is still canon, it could explain where Sonic gotten his Green Eyes.
That's how I'd write it. Have that be the lasting impact of all that chaos energy.
Man I really need to make a fan comic.
@@GameApologist Why don't cha? You'll be an amazing writer!
@@GameApologist Please do!!
Game Apologist please do write a comic, not only do I love your art style but I’d think that your storytelling is better than sega’s
@@booboo_da_foo Exactly!
"a story of growth,of overcoming weaknesses." He sure did, Hyper Sonic can't drown. 😉
Yeah, the only problem is getting out before my precious rings run out
Ironically super sonic doesn't drown in future titles as well like colors, both sonic 4 and others
When you said "a story of growth" I thought you were low-key referencing the "hyper" in Hyper Sonic.
yea and it makes more sense since super sonic can drown but it flies through space without breathing?
what the crap sega?
Still die from falling in an abyss tou, wich is weird since he and even super sonic can fly
As someone who suffers from epilepsy Hyper Sonic doesn't bother me. Just saying.
I would really like to see Hyper Sonic again. This is his final form.
I've been sayinh this a long time! Everyone repeats the seizure thing, but everyone I know with epilepsy is like "it uhhh doesnt". I think it's one of the things people repeat and never question. Look up the Hyper Sonic 2021 generations mod. The guy made the color cycle slower than the original and it still looks good too.
I have it as well and I've never been bothered by Hyper Sonic either.
I don’t have epilepsy but it’s always confused me with how people say it caused epilepsy, and slowing it down wouldn’t even be too bad
AND THIS IS TO GO EVEN FURTHER BEYOND HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
People don't understand that for colors to cause seizures you don't have to just stare at them change. It has to change super fast between 2 colors. And Hyper Sonic flashing isn't fast enough to cause seizures.
The developers hid TONS of Big Rings in Mushroom Hill Zone too. You can be Hyper Sonic before Flying Battery Zone if you pass all the special stages.
It was Emerald Hill Zone all over again.
(Personally, though, I usually hit Hyper during Flying Battery Zone, unless I went out of my way to avoid the big rings and kept Super until post-game.)
@@JediMB I can't even do one super emerald stage, they're so hard.
@@coppershortsword1990 Ouch. It's been a long time since I played at this point, but back in the day I recall having trouble with 2-3 particular special stages.
It'd probably be worse today, since I'll have gotten both old and rusty.
@@JediMB I’ve been playing sonic 3&K since I was around 2 years old, I’m 20 going on 21 here soon and they’re still incredibly hard to me. Idk how these speedrunners do it man…
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"Heyyyy, remember Soap Shoes?"
SEGA: Yeah we do! Let's make them available shoe options for your Avatar in Sonic Forces!
"And you remember Chao in Space?"
SEGA: Oh yeaaaaah, long time no see! Let's make an animation on it. The fans will love it and it'll be so adorable 💕
"And you guys remember Hyper Sonic? That mode & Super Emeralds should REALLY come back for the next Sonic game, amirite?"
SEGA:.................. Hyper-whet?
there a chao in space cartoon?
@@jekblom123 Yeah. It came out about a month ago. Check it out. It's pretty good. Makes me wish we had a Sonic cartoon show in they style
Okay, but I did actually enjoy Chao in Space and the Avatar
I'd dig a new story where Hyper Sonic A C T U A L L Y has a big role on the history, not that now they're selling the Super Sonic transformation like the actual Super Saiyan, which was actually annoying for me ESPECIALLY on Forces (Classic Sonic, Sonic and the "Rookie" against the fricking powered Phantom Ruby Death Egg Robot, when on Mania, C.Sonic had to struggle to beat Eggman and the Heavy King). I'm starting to feel Super Sonic as a j o k e.
@@justarandomguy378 Considering that Super Sonic doesn't seem as Super as he used to, Hyper form would be a very good idea. Personally, I think they should have worked it into Sonic Forces, but obviously they are ignoring the very prospect of how they could simply say that Hyper form was too draining to sustain for too long, due to inexperience with Chaos Transformation. Thus, using just Super form, which is significantly less draining on stamina, is more efficient, so it happens more often. Plus, you need the Master Emerald to activate the Chaos Emeralds' Super forms, and trigger Hyper form. The Master Emerald never leaves Angel Island, unless it's been broken somehow, and Knuckles is trying to reassemble it. Using that logic, they could make the final battle of a new game take place near Angel Island, which would allow Sonic and his friends to use Hyper Form to fight the Big Bad.
Remember that one time when Sega introduced Dark Sonic for like 20 seconds in Sonic X? Just me? Okay...
I remember it all too well
Have U heard of dark spine sonic........
Season? Episode?
Indeed
Dude I'm saying like how is it that totally overlooked that, that just made me mad
I’m pretty sure that the Super Emeralds, and by extension, Hyper Sonic, are still a thing, they just haven’t faced a threat big enough to justify using them. Not counting the Time Eater, they didn’t have the time needed to get the Super Emeralds in that scenario.
"time" needed
nice
Neither dis they need hyper agaisnt Time Eater at all since both Super Sonics beat it
@@yumijandro7761 pretty sure 2 super Sonic's fighting with each other is equivalent to a hyper Sonic if they like attack simultaneously
@@funnyskull14 may probably be stronger, also Classic Super Sonic is WAY weaker than the modern one
Solaris
Well said.
Hyper Sonic was amazing, as was the ability to get Super Tails and Hyper Knuckles via the super emeralds.
It truly was one of the most profound gaming experiences of my childhood.
_No one man should have all that power._
Hyper Sonic: "Good thing I'm a Hedgehog then"
Hedgehogs can be as powerful as they want
"...the combined adventure is not canon."
Me, late to the party in multiple ways: WHAT?
It's sort of loosey goosey, but APPARENTLY Modern Sonic never had super emeralds.
@@GameApologist I just discovered your channel, so I don't know where you fall on this, but I loved the Genesis games and lore and had made peace with the idea that there wasn't going to be a return to form for the series. (Then Sonic Mania came out, lol.) Having said that, it's still really disappointing to hear that, it feels like they've really divorced themselves of the elements that made me a fan to begin with.
@@GameApologist But if the chaos emeralds transform into the super emeralds then they could still technically exist in the modern games. It's just that Sonic hasn't made them transform yet.
Is everyone ignoring the fact that the chaos emeralds have had the appearance of the super emeralds, only smaller, ever since S3&K? It's the original chaos emeralds that don't exist anymore.
@@butcherax I've always wondered if the sonic team has ever realized that lmao. Sure you might argue that the emeralds are facing the upper facet but you can tell that the gems have taken the super emeralds shape, even if not the size. I feel they could have explained it by saying that they only hold the hyper power and size when docked emeralds are paid together with the chaos emeralds, together with the island.
A Thought:
The factors that differentiate Super Sonic from Hyper Sonic are the rapid color change effect, the shimmering stars, the visual trail, all of which are sort of superfluous visual effects, and then the inherent burst or homing type attack. In later versions of Sonic games, I believe Sonic just has this attack as part of his Super or even non-powered form.
One could argue, if they were a raging nerd, that Sonic just sort of acclimated to the Hyper Sonic powers and they just became part of his standard form or Super form. That is, the meaningful differentiating factor was adopted into the lower level forms and the superfluous visuals were just lost.
I say superfluous in sort of a functional manner. Hyper Sonic looks dope, the rapid color change effect being the best part.
Super Sonic has never had the Hyper Flash in any of the games he's in, even compared to modern Super standards I'd argue the ability to instantly kill every enemy on the screen is incredibly powerful.
@@evdestroy5304 Oh, yeah, I forgot about that aspect. Good point there.
@@crossdavidlee
That, and Hyper Sonic can also breathe underwater.
@@evdestroy5304
Light Speed Attack (which also hasn't made many appearences) is pretty similar, also considering that the machines in Modern era are almost certainly a lot tougher than in the Classic era (because otherwise stuff like Egg Dragoon would be 1-shot by Modern Sonic), that flash might not even do much, unless it was Modern Hyper Sonic, in which case all enemies should give up yesterday.
@@sonicdml4175 The light speed attack is just a really fast homing attack. The hyper flash is a screen nuke.
I'm 31 now. I started playing sonic when I was 3... I really needed this video. I feel like I'm not alone in my love for Sonic the hedgehog
You far from being alone my friend, trust me
Sonic Team: Sonic 3 and Knuckles combo isn’t canon.
Me: I realize the council has made a decision, but given that it’s a stupid ass decision, I’ve elected to ignore it!
Its like the new star wars movies.
Just...
No.
I chose to believe, according to Sonic Mania, which is now in Classic Sonic's canon (what do you mean it's not the same classic sonic, shut up sega, you're stupid, can't even make a canon right), once the Super Emeralds were used, they turned to rock and let their power go again in the form of Chaos Emeralds. Basically, yeah, a one-time thing. I also believe Metal Sonic is canon, therefore Sonic CD is canon, despite Mania not claiming so. Not because I like the game, never played it, but it makes more sense, given that I kinda ignore Modern Sonic.
From what I understood and by understood I mean how I interpreted the Mania 'elevator' scene at the start of the game.... Sonic 1, 2, 3+K and CD were all canon.... seeing as Christian Whitehead is now Sonics adoptive father I chose to believe that's the official canon for 16bit Sonic and nobody, NOBODY!!! will change my mind not even Sonic Team themselves!
@@anthonyfellows390 atta boy 😁 but was CD in the elevator scene?
I just say that Hyper Sonic takes too much energy to use, so Sonic just uses super
This paints Hyper Sonic in a new light for me. I was so shocked when I finally unlocked him, because of how broken he is. He has all the perks of Super Sonic, but also a double jump, which also counts as a screen nuke, and can't drown underwater. And combined with the Electric Shield..?
I gotta go back and play this game
Correction.Hyper sonic doesn't have a double jump,it's a flash attack (or something like that idr) that let's sonic launch himself in any direction you choose.
@@nermio4218 ...but it also acts as a double jump?
He also can't drown anymore. With him, you're free to use Eletric Shield to atract the rings.
I'm so annoyed that I spent hundreds of hours playing S3&K and never knew that hyper Sonic couldn't drown, and that the insta-shield was actually a shield lol I knew the name but always use it to attack!
@@magicalpencil Its actually more of an attack than a shield
Y'know, it's always miffed me that the undrownable Hyper transformations are only accessible in the half of the game that's completely absent of drowning hazards.
MY GOD YOU'RE RIGHT
I've thought about this stuff for a while, myself, and I love how they created a sort of storyline with Sonic and the Emeralds.
Sonic 1, you only find six of them, but it is clearly shown they are of magical importance.
Sonic 2, you find all seven and unlock your own super amazing magical abilities and get to try them out.
You do _not,_ however, get to use that power to save the day. You merely keep it away from evil's clutches.
Sonic 3 & Knuckles, Sonic has had time to fully grasp the Super power, has it ripped from him, fights to get it back, does so while gaining _more_ power, then goes on to _use_ that power to actually save the world.
Maybe the "Super Emeralds" were depleted or broken afterward, maybe not, but I love that they had that sort of unspoken story going on with the early games. I'm okay with at least the 3D games not having Hyper Sonic, as I genuinely doubt it would translate as well given the...uh...nature of them.
actually, in knuckles story in mania, the emeralds are seen cracked.
"Except when he was touched, but just in the right way."
Man you were right, the fanfics really DO write themselves
Knuckles: super sonic, you may resist bullets, but you cant resist my touch
@@Viciousotk1 *THAT'S NO GOOD!*
“Look at him, he’s bursting with energy!”
*Sonic looking very colorful in his base form while in fear as he slips down some ice*
Yeah, SEGA didn't make full sprites for Super nor Hyper Sonic, lol
@@RandomNameLastName811 But Sonic 3 Complete gave him full sprites for both Super AND Hyper Sonic 😂😂😂
I remember I had bad withdrawals when I realized that Hyper Sonic wasn't featured in any game post SNK&3, that actually semi dulled my hype for the Super Sonic path in SA1 because I felt like he wasn't at full power.
Thank you for making this video! Was extremely satisfying to hear someone talk about Hyper Sonic that truly gets it! I never knew SEGA announced that Hyper Sonic isn't canon... I have not words for how stupid that is. They're basically just throwing one of the best ideas they've ever had in the garbage
6:01 "...a story of growth, overcoming weaknesses"
*literally too powerful to land on that spring*
"...and discovering your full potential was so much greater than you could have ever imagined"
*still can't land on the spring*
Good guy tails for having mercy and opening it up for him
@@marzipancutter8144 hyper Sonic begs the omnipotent Tails to open up the path for him
~2020 colorized
....HAHA? T_T
But You'll Land on the Spike Next to It!
6:00
Sonic: me and the boi about to snoop into knuckles secret cave.
The summary of many Rule 34 pictures...
Hypersonic is canon.
SnooPINGAS usual, I see
SnooPING AS usual, i see
I don't understand why it's so hard for Sega to keep the super emeralds canon. Just observing how they function in the games, it isn't difficult to include them.
To start, note some things:
-How the chaos emeralds get upgraded in S3&K, by placing them on pedestals in a master emerald shrine around the master emerald, where they grow much larger
-The huge size of the chaos emeralds in Sonic Adventure 1 and 2 when they're resting on pedestals in the master emerald shrines, compared to their normal size in all other scenes
It's my personal theory that, with their size being the main tell, the chaos emeralds we see in the aforementioned sonic adventure scenes are in fact in their super emerald form, being in a place most in tune with the master emerald. Sonic/Knuckles must have re-awakened their potential by restoring them in S3&K, thousands of years after they rested in harmony with the master emerald in Tikal's time. I doubt there's anyone at Sega that cares enough about this kinda thing to re-consider though, despite how simple a thing this seems to me.
Anyhow, great video my guy. I don't normally deep dive into something as nebulous as the canon and lore of Sonic the Hedgehog, but it's videos like this that get me in that mood.
Game apoligist : "WHY IS THIS SO COMPLICATED?"
also him : explaining why a glowing hedgehog represents growth
My head-canon is that the Super Emeralds pull a “Mewtwo Strikes Back” ending: whenever someone finds the emeralds and uses them to go Hyper, they erase everyone’s memories of their existence afterward.
They’re just too OP, people like Eggman would abuse their power if they weren’t kept secret.
Now that is a cool theory, and not too dissimilar to what we see on Sonic Mania: the Super Emeralds, once their power has been ultimately used, become grey and dull again, they transform into cracked rocks. They release their chaos energy, which channels into, once again, regular Chaos Emeralds. But you can't refine and stabilize them again. The rocks are there, in the altars, and they can't be restored. It was only a one-time power. It doesn't erase memories (or maybe they do, idk), but it's a nice explanation as to why we can't go Hyper again.
@@Mike14264 or better yet sega just didn't want to get sued for seizures
@@scott5388 there's another way to avoid that. A complete redesign of the form that would be less likely to cause seizures or have no chance.
Though you're likely right about why hyper is no longer possible.
@@ArtisChronicles especially when alot of fan stuff(ie hyper sonic mod in brawl and sonic rpg) make the design a more silverish (or shiny light)blue with a good bursting with energy aura(kinda like ssj2 with its sparks of electricity) boom perfect redesign (also wouldn't be suprised they stopped hyper sonic because of that one pokemon ep with porigon)
@cadyn wallace no? hyper sonic is way older than ultra instinct
My headcannon is the Super Emeralds were charged up version of the Chaos Emeralds. When Mecha Sonic drained the Master Emerald in Sonic 3 the super emeralds had to give up their energy to make the Master Emerald work again
SEGA THAT EXPLATION MAKES SO MUCH SENSE WHY DIDNT YOU JUST USE THAT
I mean, that is literally the canonical explanation for the Super Emeralds, that they're charged up versions of the Chaos Emeralds empowered by the Master Emerald. As for the Master Emerald being drained, it wasn't. The whole point of both the Chaos Emeralds and the Master Emeralds is that they're a source of infinite energy; you quite literally CAN'T drain them of their power.
@@FalenDragmire not permanently anyways
@@FalenDragmire I mean, they didn't seem very charged in Sonic Unleashed until Sonic plugged them in :/
@@choboibigly6565 and in adventure. I guess
When he went from his chill tone to just out of no where saying “SIT DOWN ADVENTURE 2 FANS” I bout lost it 😂💀
The Super Emeralds are actually acknowledged in the Encyclo-speed-ia in the story blurb for Sonic & Knuckles. Both it and the Sonic 3 sections story blurbs basically go with the whole Sonic 3&K Combined narrative. And since Adventure acknowledges Mecha Sonic, Generations has Modern Knuckles acknowledge Sky Sanctuary, and Mania acknowledges the Super Emeralds too. I think it's safe to say that the Super Emeralds and Hyper form are indeed canon overall and that their first and only appearances were just a one-time thing.
And since Sega HAD to have been looking over Flynn's shoulder as he was writing this, to the point where only the most innocuous mistakes and flub ups managed to get through. Yeah, I think we can trust the Encyclo-speed-ia. ESPECIALLY since it acknowledges the Japanese plot for Knuckles Chaotix as the actual story, and specifically mentions the American plot as "Lost In Translation".
Stop calling it hypersonic, we all know what it’s actually called.
Super sonic god super sonic
I love this dbz reference
lmao
I was going too say Ui but ok
But one can still get hyper Sonic by playing only Sonic and knuckles on it's own. So hyper Sonic is cannon .. And sky sanctuary zone is in Sonic generations too
@@PaladinPrem god was not in dbz
That truly was the best part of Sonic 3&K. Hyper Sonic should be canon.
Jonah Stein it is canon the super emeralds are shown in mania and the hyper transformation was meant to be in the game
Adam Infinite3 so with that logic I could just say super isn’t canon, dark spine or Excalibur sega doesn’t confirm anything also it being a lock game has nothing to do with canon because the game was meant to come out as a whole thing without the lock on tech but sega couldn’t make it a full game cause of time and marketing sales. Easter egg or not super emeralds were in the game all they have to do is power them with chaos emeralds then sonic gets hyper
@@raveolygaming6781 those not are the super esmeralds
those are stone relics that ended up being created after the end of sonic & knuckles
if you not believe me there is a official tweet about it
twitter.com/cfwhitehead/status/902946335434825728?lang=en
Adam Infinite3 Sonic the Hedgehog 3 and Sonic & Knuckles were intended to be a single game, but were released separately due to time and financial constraints. Sonic and the secret rings takes place in a book as well as the black knight. Sega never confirms anything so you can’t say it’s not canon even tho the super emeralds appear in mania
Adam Infinite3 characters in the games don’t mention hyper because classic and modern universe are separate from each other also I don’t see how lock on has anything connected with something being canon. I could just say that super isn’t canon because it’s an add on in forces and people don’t even mention super they just mention the chaos emeralds. Your using the intro of the mania to speculate about hyper not being canon when the 1 2 3 &k was an Easter egg as well and the characters were only running around some weird dimension which doesn’t appear in the game of the story
I just love the "I'm unstoppable" aura Sonic gives off when near a ledge in Hyper-form. Arms crossed, chest puffed out...gives you that chill when Gohan went SSJ2 vs Cell. @9:22 if you folks need a example...
Fun fact: Ian Flynn was going to add Hyper Sonic in Sonic Frontiers, but backed out on it, it would have been awesome to hyper sonic in a modern setting
Something I really liked was that if you were playing as Tails and collected the super emeralds, he finally got his own super form. Then in Sonic Mania, Tails could go super using just the chaos emeralds, and even though Super Tails wasn't as powerful as it was in S3&K, the fact that Tails was able to use the chaos emeralds at all shows how much he's grown!
Also, *SUPER BIRBS!*
We're all proud of him for that :)
boom yboom yes Tails is getting the Luigi treatment
So Super Tails in S3&K is now technically Hyper Tails?
my boy Hyper Knuckles is really underappreciated
Did you know that sonic mania was supposed to have hyper sonic
Yea proof that sonic mania is the sequel
They did but sadly they are cracked
BlastProcX, despite the cracks, they look the same as before the power was restored, perhaps they cracked with age, as no one had used the Super Emeralds power in so long they deteriorated, but may be implied that they will be restored some day. That day being Sonic Mania which may have been intended to have the same process done like before, going to the Master Emerald chamber to jump on each Emerald to play the 2nd set of special stages. But never happened, Hyper Sonic is underrated.
Any sources?
@@skittlesilly TCRF, bro. There's all the Hyper stuff found inside mania.
Personally Knuckles was always my fave and loved the little details of his transformation. Like the little fangs he gets when changing and how his dreads grow longer.
One million views! Congrats! You've earned this!
Hyper Sonic is one of my favorite aspects of Sonic 3 & Knuckles. Finding out there was a form even more powerful than Super Sonic blew my mind back then. The flashing colors of his fur, the sparks of light emanating from him, the afterimages he leaves when moving, and the fact that his double jump acts as a mini-scream nuke and can’t drown made him this beacon of overflowing power not of Sonic’s world. I would kill to see the Hyper forms make a comeback in Mania 2.
Hyper sonic was in the files in mania but it got scrapped
Hyper Sonic deserves all the love and recognition and unlocking him was truly a satisfying and rewarding moment in my childhood.
hyper sonic was originally was gonna be in sonic mania but sega didn't allow it so the mania team had to remove it [in the mania assets you can see the hyper sonic texts and other stuff]
"This level deserves way more credit than it gets".
Hell yeah it does. Mushroom Hill Zone = GOAT Sonic stage and I will die on that (mushroom) hill.
"They can't even keep their own story straight." There you have it. They really cannot keep a straight, cohesive story.
And game design aside, that's big problem since story is big mindfuck.
Kinda comical he should mention Disney Star Wars while discussing arbitrary dismissal of quality worldbuilding material. Yaknow, on the subject of a franchise whose current owners can't keep a cohesive story straight...
"hYpEr SoNiC iSn'T cAnOn."
Ight, Imma head out.🚶🏾♂️
@Carlos Mezquita EXACTLY💀
why cant hyper be canon again?
@Carlos Mezquita
Plus, Secret Palace still exists.
That kinda sucks cause i love the idea of a stronger form
How is this so? I've heard this multiple times but never heard why...
I love how you go into detail and stuff about this! It's helpful about learning
This is a really good video, man. I appreciate you for this.
10:26 What if over time they eventually changed back into Chaos Emeralds, and as a side-effect of that reverse transformation they left their Super Emerald shells behind resulting in those cracked Super Emerald shaped rocks?
Actually, The chaos emeralds left the super emerald form in sonic mania, then traveled to different special stages in sonic mania. The chaos emeralds left stone relics of the super emeralds
"They're not rocks, they're minerals, Marie"
Arohk 😂😂
Lol
Best comment ever xD
6:35 This is my home These Are My Rules And you are NOT READY
You know, I’ve been a sonic fan for most of my life and that love never faded. However, I grew up with 3D sonic games. I had beaten most of them but I just couldn’t beat the original 2D games. So I clicked on this video just so my modern fan self could understand just what Hyper Sonic was. Now that I know, I’m ashamed that I never took the time to earn it myself. I’m also mad that I now know why a modern fan would never learn about this form since it’s not canon. Sorry to upset more diehard fans than myself. But thank you for explaining this for us. I actually just found this channel tonight so I’ve been binge watching :)
Thanks David! Glad to be of assistance and hope you enjoy your time here!
Sega: "Sonic 3 & Knuckles isn't canon"
Also Sega: (doesn't have Sonic 3 mentioned in Generations and skips it to put on Sky Sanctuary in as a Knuckles level)
They never said it wasn't canon and I still see Sky Sanctuary as a rep for both games.
@@jamiewilliamson9829 Really? This video mentions them saying the full Sonic 3 & Knuckles adventure isn't the canon iteration of the story.
Poo to that, I say, obviously; S3&K is the de facto S3 to me as well, and I still consider it one of the best games ever made. It was after all the plan all along until production costs of a cartridge with so much data became an issue.
I'd be mad about the whole splitting the game in two thing, but Knuckles in Sonic 2 was such a novel idea that I just can't be. It's a shame that weren't able to get it working for Sonic 1 as well.
Sky Sanctuary is indeed a great representation for "both."
@@reloadpsi It wasn't just production costs of the cartride that delayed half the game. There were other factors involved such as needing more development time as well as a promotional aspect with McDonalds.
Nothing was said about Sonic 3 & Knuckles not being canon, rather they said Hyper isn't canon but not in the way you think. Izuka talked about this.
@@jamiewilliamson9829 Ah, fair enough.
Still a belter of a bonus feature regardless.
I swear they put Sonic 3 music in generations
I never really cared about Hyper Sonic but this video gave me a new outlook on the seizure-causing hedgehog
I wouldn't mind it coming back but i hope they wouldn't drive Hyper Forms into the ground like they did with the Super Forms in the mid 2000's
If it ever comes back in canon, it should be used against a insanely powerful villain. Like, capable of beating the crap out of Super Sonic
Its just a myth Hyper Sonic never gave seizures
BlastProcX
No it is possible. Flashing lights can indeed cause seizures, also the flashing of the screen when he uses his instant shield screen nuke attack, as well as the after images. Those who are prone to seizures and epilepsy can be effected by it.
Why would anyone play a fast paced game if they had seizures?
XxMurderer 7xX
Guess it depends on how epileptic a person is. I have a friend who is prone to them but can play sonic game easily. Even the special stages. I think Hyper Sonic is on another level due to the fast rainbow color changes.
i love the tale this unfolds,
as a kid you get such a thrill going through everything , you feel you are constantly chasing something extra every times
the game *could* end sooner, but by doing all the extra steps and keep pushing forward , the player isnt simply reward by a good ending , but the BEST ending .
you surpass yourself
you defeated eggman
the deathegg is no long ( for that momment anyway )
you chased eggman *THOUGH* space and a cloud of meteorites ( i mean, how much more badass can you get on top of one of the most iconic super tensed music ?!!?! )
you destroyed eggman's machine , TWICE , finally get the master emerald, it gets brought down to the island.
the island goes up flying in the air
and finally you get rewarded by a end screen with dolphins and birds.
i mean come on, what more do you want ??
He needs to be able to not die when he gets crushed and he has to be able to fly as hyper sonic,
Also no drowning
@@joshgroban5291 Hyper Sonic already doesn't drown
That would have been pretty cool to have Hyper Sonic be apart of the story more. Instead of saying "it doesn't exist " or "It's not canon" (even though to get the Super Emeralds are formed due to the Master Emerald bestowing power to the Chaos Emeralds which Sega never said the Emerald couldn't do but whatever lol) they could have stated that Knuckles doesn't allow that kind of power unless nessesary or just say that Super Sonic is good enough to handle most foes (which it is). S3&K is apart of the main timeline at least to me.
The Sonic Franchise kinda had a lowkey story going on in the classics and pretty obviously in the 3D games. The narrative starts to wane either after Shadow or Unleashed. All the games before had on going narrative which can be followed if you're paying attention. Like how in SA2 last stage Cannons Core has Lost World/Angel Island imagery with the snake slide and the Master Emerald shrine the further you go. Calling back to S3&K and Adventure 1. Stuff like that can really give you a great experience with the gameplay.
And yes Hyper Sonic is very awesome. ^_^
Heh, this reminds me of a headcanon I've had for a long time:
Sonic 2: Sonic learns how to go Super using the Chaos Emeralds.
Sonic 3 & Knuckles: Sonic unlocks the Hyper form, but only while he's on Angel Island, as it's been saturated in Chaos energy thanks to the Master Emerald's presence. While he has access to this form, he learns how to perform that midair 'flash' as both a dash and (thanks to said Hyper form) a screen-filling instant attack.
Sonic Adventure: Remembering what he learned from using the Hyper form, Super Sonic can now utilize a relatively weaker version of the 'flash' move - that field he gains once he reaches top speed as Super Sonic during the final battle against Perfect Chaos.
Sonic Adventure 2: During the final battle, Super Sonic can now boost on command to attack, though it's still not particularly fast.
Sonic Unleashed: Sonic has now learned how to utilize the Boost without having to go Super, and spends this entire adventure improving it (aka the game's EXP system), increasing the ability's speed and how efficiently he utilizes the chaos energy inside him.
Beyond Unleashed, his experience with Boosting has peaked, and he remains in top form in all Boost system games - as seen when he defeats Perfect Chaos once more *without* having to go Super. (You could probably handwave his lack of Boost in Lost World as the Lost Hex messing with his now-natural connection to Chaos energy. =D)
The Stranger I like it, very Battle of Gods end it makes sense
I had this similar theory too! Nice to see I wasn’t crazy.
I respect the canon of the series now. I thought it was dumb inconsistent and messy because the developers kept on rebooting the series to appeal to a bunch of different demographics and genres, but now I actually like the canon now. Thank you for enlightening me.
The Stranger you can also consider the flash as a very powerful version of the homing attack, a move he later practices into the homing attack
Also add vusual changes:
After prolonged acess to Super form, Sonic gains Green Eyes in his normal form, signalling his body's overall adaptation to the Chaos Energy and mastery of the power it gives. All while his Super Form gains Red Eyes, which might mean future growth at some point. Hell, maybe one day Sonic will be capable of transforming to Super Form without rings?
Wait a moment, he already can!
Sonic 06. Holy crow.
As an Adventure 2 fan, I loved the delivery of "Sit DOWN!" xD
The mixture of timing, the image of rouge, and the emphasized “Sit Down” made me burst into laughter 9:16
"He was untouchable. Except when he was touched in just the right way..."
"Please have a seat right here."
Terra Ranger 😂😂😂
Hyper sonic: the ultra instinct of the sonic universe.
ye but hyper came first before ultra instinct
And the Super Emeralds came before the Super Dragon Balls
@@joshualowe959 and there were 7 dragon balls before 7 chaos emeralds there used to be only 6 chaos emeralds although i don't think super dragon balls really matter in this case because you could make the argument that the super emeralds are a rip off of the namekian dragon balls both really large and have way more magical properties
@@khrinalekill-thebloodspira2531 And besides the Chaos Emeralds & the Super Emeralds, there were also the SOL Emeralds that Blaze used to transform into Burning Blaze. And besides the regular, Namekian & Super Dragon Balls, there were also the Black Star Dragon Balls in Dragon Ball GT.
@@joshualowe959 yes but actually no.
Man, this video is amazing! GO, GO, HYPER SONIC! Thank you man for all your work
I play Sonic 3 and Knuckles for the first time through Origins, and getting Hyper Sonic was so hype
Legit, you have changed my entire vision of what Hyper Sonic is now..
After all these years, Sonic 3 and Knuckles still feels like the most cohesive, most epic Sonic game of all time.
'Cause it is. I loved Mania as well, but S3&K is just remarkable.
@@MyManJFKTV Mania is VERY unoriginal.
@@knuckt.k.9456 - Ok
I respect the reason for them to not bring it back, but to say it's simply not canon is pretty silly. They could've very well justified it by saying what you said, that it was such a powerful form that it was an one-time thing. The Master Emerald "knew" Robotnik would try to use its powers, so it granted Sonic something even further beyond in preparation, as a premonition for what was to come. And with his plan foiled, the Emeralds exhausted of their full potential, they'd go to remain cracked in the state we see them on in Mania. I like the idea of that. Too bad that Sonic Team doesn't, cause it'd make for a great plot point.
And man, it's no wonder this is the video that made your channel grow.
dude 100% these games where my childhood. this video makes me happy sso happy. thanks for makeing this bro.
I want this form to make a comeback so bad.
I think it wasn’t brought back because of Hyper Sonic flashing, for epileptic safety
@@oluwafisayomiomojola1275 that rarely happens, it was really because the color were changing kinda too fast and they didn't want keep up with transformations like any other Japanese cartoons.
Sonic Origins : fineeeeee
Jeff Fowler and Ben Schwartz: “Fine, we’ll do it ourselves.”
Bro's not alone
Sega: modern sonic cant go hyper
Nazo unleashed: hold my rings
Ellis Ashton Nazo Unleashed is not Official is a Fan story
@@GcmAstro97 So?
@@GcmAstro97 So?
@@GcmAstro97 so
DUUUUDE THAT WAS A CLASSIC I WATCHED IT WITH MY BIG BROTHER
shadic.
haha.. this was GREAT.. love these kind fo videos.. keep it up buddy - you deserve way more subs :)
I'd always assumed that Hyper Sonic was basically just a bonus feature for combining S3 and S&K, that when it was one game, there was only supposed to be 7 emeralds and that's it and you'd have to collect those emeralds across the entire game, perhaps with four emeralds in the first half and three emeralds in the second half to collect. But when the game was split, Sonic 3 needed to have all 7 emeralds because just getting 4 emeralds and not unlocking Super Sonic would piss people off after being able to unlock Super Sonic in Sonic 2 and of course having a cutscene at the beginning of 3 that showed the Super form. Of course, Sonic & Knuckles also needed 7 emeralds.
Of course, once the game was released in two parts but with the ability to combine them, you'd suddenly have 14 emeralds so the combined Sonic 3 & Knuckles would need to either space out the collection of the 7 emeralds (perhaps by only having one ring per level up to Lava Reef to find) across the game as originally intended according to the hypothesis above, leave the special stage ring location layout as it was, allowing for the possibility of players gaining access to Super Sonic before the midways point (it's been a while since I've played but I believe it's actually possible to collect them all before the end of Hydrocity), potentially making the entire second half of the game a god mode run once the player collected 50 rings or, as what ultimately happened, take the emeralds away at the halfway point and make the player collect them all over again.
Simply taking the emeralds away after working so hard to collect them would annoy players though so Sonic Team came up with the concept of the Super Emeralds and the added bonus of Hyper Sonic which had the invincibility and speed of Super but also added the double jump/instakill move.
But given how much work was put into to making the super emeralds important, it may be that their inclusion was their intention from the start, back when it was one game. After all, the process of collecting all fourteen emeralds does unlock the Hidden Palace cutscene, it gives Sonic his aforementioned hyper form, also gives Knuckles a hyper form and gives Tails a super form (which makes Death Egg's final boss a breeze incidentally thanks to those super birds).
In any case, I loved Hyper Sonic. I understand not including that transformation in later games though. The Super Emeralds are basically just super-charged versions of the Chaos Emeralds and to unlock them involved collecting the Chaos Emeralds twice. No 2D game since Sonic 3K has been large enough to justify collecting 14 emeralds (though Sonic 4 came out in two parts and if it had been possible to combine those games it may have been nice to include Hyper in that) and the 3D games have typically relegated finding the emeralds to story cutscenes.
Other than some bonus unlockable in a future Mania-type game, I think the only way we might see Hyper Sonic in the future will be story cutscene based. If we assume that the Super Emeralds are really just the Chaos Emeralds in full power mode, connected to the Master Emerald then there could conceivably be some future story scenario in a game where Super Sonic isn't enough to save the day and Sonic needs the combined power of the Chaos and Master Emeralds to defeat Robotnik, thus unlocking Super Sonic for the final battle.
Man, you think you're obsessed Hyper Sonic, look at this wall of text. :D
You deserve this reply.
The first thing I said when I clicked on this was:HOLY CRAP!!!!
Not so sure the argument about number of chaos emeralds applies here - it's possible to get seven emeralds just in Angel Island Zone alone (iirc) and also all seven can be got in Mushroom Hill Zone alone.
@Joe Gardiner: I think there may have only been about 5 or 6 Warp Rings throughout Angel Island Zone (3 in Act 1, 2 or 3 in Act 2), and 3 in each Act of Mushroom Hill Zone - but I'm not certain without Googling it up...
Still, the fact that Sonic Mania Plus had an extra 7 Special Stages in the coding means that *SEGA* _could_ have included some explanation for a Hyper Sonic transformation, but told Christian Whitehead to scrap the idea...
Taste the rainbow
As of this day, I have finally gone hypersonic myself. It took time, and the discovery that you can still do the doomsday zone if you don’t have the full collection of super emeralds, but I did it. Next trip through mushroom hill and I got the final two super emeralds required. This is one of the most satisfying experiences I have ever had. But now, I must move on, to getting the emeralds as tails, and as knuckles. Also, I did it on a Nintendo Wii that is at least a decade old, and a Wii controller which really liked to randomly turn left when I was in special stages. Man, this game is wonderful. I can see why this game is so beloved in the sonic community now.
I like to imagine hyper sonic being the combination of Super Sonic and Dark Sonic which use positive and negative chaos energy respectively. By combining the two it would create super energy and create a "complete" form, if you know what I mean. Just seems kinda cool idk
“Holy cow, that is one big rock!”
-The Game Apologist
Personal lore idea:
When Sonic returned the master emerald. The super emeralds had to use their power to repair/heal the master emerald. Leaving the grey stones. And the chaos emeralds are the broken off, original power like how they used to be.
You know, I actually made a personal lore similar to that. It happens after the credits. Hyper Sonic flew off the Tornado to make a truce with Knuckles, as the rest of the adventure had been pretty crazy after Sonic and Knuckles realized that they were on the same side. So he flew back to Angel Island, and made it to the Hidden Palace. They shook hands and everything, when Knuckles heard a cracking sound coming from the Super Emeralds. The transformation had officially worn off, and the Chaos energy flowed out of each emerald and materialized back into the normal Chaos Emeralds. They floated down in the same circular pattern that they did in Sonic 1 and at the start of the Sonic & Knuckles part of the game. They then floated there for a moment, and then launched off in all different directions. They traveled to the next special stages, I guess. They went somewhere, idk. Knuckles had failed to harness the Master Emerald's power all his life, as explained in the video, but Sonic did it correctly, first try. That's why the grey husks of the Super Emeralds remained.
Knuckles: The Chaos Emeralds are back. So does that mean the Super Emeralds are... gone?
Sonic: Sort of.
Sonic then motions to the grey stones that are all of what remains of the Super Emeralds. At this point they look like they do in Sonic Mania. Grey _and_ cracked, which would explain why they're not just grey or not there at all. Sonic had now unwillingly lost his ability to go Hyper, and though it took Tails a second or two to realize that Sonic was stuck on Angel Island, (he hates water, obviously, so he can't swim back) eventually, Tails returned and the canon continues on as normal. It's short, and not the best, but at least it fills in that plot hole. Sonic has tried multiple times in between games to reactivate the Super Emeralds, and they do light up... for a second. But then the chaos energy escapes from the cracks and re-materializes back into the Chaos Emeralds.
So in theory, if Hyper Sonic were to return, Sonic (likely with Knuckles's help) would need to seal the cracks somehow.
This made me feel so nostalgic i cried a little ngl, remembering going through the trails over and over again to finally get those super emeralds. the 90s were magical times. ;w;
I remember seeing this for the first time on my tails save file way back, not knowing that i unlocked Super tails with all the master emeralds. I loved the afterglow and the
4 birds that circled around tail which acted as homing missiles.
..MY CHILDHOOD WASN"T A HALLUCINATION AFTER ALL! i coudnt' figure out what i'd done as akid and i always chalked it up to one of my crazy awesomee dreams i had as a child. BUT THIS WASN"T ADREAM I REMEMBER THE CAVE!
@@cyanthehedgehog777 Shut
@@arumaru3433 Unshut, I also know of the fabled Hyper hedgehog. A hedgehog warrior above the level of a normal hedgehog warrior.
@@sonicplays8740 I feel like I have been here before..
Finally someone realizes my importance.
@T.A.N I matter to quite a lot of people in the comments for a character that "doesn't matter".
sonic colors would of been a fitting way to bring back hyper sonic
"He was untouchable, accept when was touched in *just the right way* ."
-Game Apologist, 2019
You were recommended to me as a Rising Gaming Creator on the Trending page after the Super Bowel with only 27.7k subscribers. I think fortune is on your side, and I clicked because Hyper Sonic is _the_ hype
“Hyper Sonic will never matter”
Tell that to Chakra-X
Also the maker of sonic rpg literally ended the rpg story with hyper sonic
True tho
He was so cool, he made my sister do a shaky little dance on the floor every time she sees him.
Wow 50.4 thousand subs! Half way to 100,000 subscribers! Awesome job!
Dude you seriously need more subscribers
Awesome video!! I remember when I was playing this and with my brother sometimes, and when I got the final Super Emerald as Knuckles, I excitedly ran to my brother who was on the phone and wrote on a piece of paper to show him, “Hyper Knuckles is in action!” 😁 Fantastic game...!
I played Sonic 3 by itself first on the Genesis, then years later played Sonic 3 & Knuckles on PC. The combined adventure changed my whole experience and I couldn't play them separate after that. It was awesome to get Hyper Sonic and then see the correct ending of the game. It always makes me sad to find Sonic fans who love Sonic 3 or Sonic & Knuckles, but never played the combined games. They are missing out.
Another great detail about Hyper Sonic is that he can breathe underwater. It nullifies one of Sonic’s major weaknesses. I’d say it really emphasizes his growth.
“That’s why its Hypersonic, Gohan!”
am I the only one who got this DBZA reference
@@soullesstre0739 Most likely-
Hey Nick, I finally saw your channel on the “Gaming Creator on the Rise” category! Great to see you moving up in the world!
Hyper Sonic took care of Sonic's greatest weakness... water. (but there's hardly any water in the game after Launch Base...)
thanks for this video, it's very appreciated
Great video! The narrative growth of aquiring powers in videogames is super important and you highlighted it very nicely! Every retcon & every inconsistency just makes me wish for a rewriting of the whole series, not to erase stuff, but to reorganize the good stuff into a complete cohesive story
I'm with you. I know it's loose enough that they probably don't need to, but even a more defined history of Sonic's story and world would be nice. It's been long enough and they still can't completely commit to a canon.
Takeshi Iizuka doesn't want to commit to a specific storyline. Why do you think that so many games have been made non-canon, despite the games selling well? It's because he's not trying to build an overall story, he's literally flying by the seat of his pants every time he's asked to make a new game! Plus, Sonic has become MUCH TOO SELF AWARE lately, as he's referencing his own games by name, breaking the Fourth Wall, and generally being a Meme. He's making Sonic too Woke, so soon he'll go Broke. That's the sad part. He's ruining Sonic's entire franchise, because he has no direction, no goal to achieve.
I mean Iizuka’s most defining quality is his ability to take something with a lot of potential and just carelessly throw it into the trash can. There are tons of ways you could have kept Hyper Sonic canon without needing to bring it back every now and again.
My preferred solution: save it up for REALLY big threats or high stakes. If you were willing to copy a few of the best parts of Dragon Ball in the first place, then why bother pretending you aren’t and just go ahead and borrow one of their best excuses for fan-service transformations: use a transformation that’s appropriate and proportionate to the challenge in front of you.
They were practically doing that in other games like the storybook series, why not continue that with what’s essentially “better Super Sonic?” What better way to build up how much your new antagonist of the week is a threat than by throwing in Hyper Sonic and the Super Emeralds in there?
You don’t want to overuse that you say? Just explain in-universe that it either takes too much time or Chaos energy to convert the emeralds into their Super forms or whatever.
But noooooo, Iizuka’s main excuse? “We just don’t want to resemble a particular anime too much, lol.” Bull. Shit.
You have Super Saiyan Sonic, hedgehog Vegeta (they’re actually trying to make Shadow MORE Vegeta-like somehow, so that’s some very consistent “logic” right there), and hedgehog Trunks, and seven magical miracle granting objects of nearly limitless power. STOP PRETENDING YOU WERE NEVER TRYING TO COPY DBZ AND JUST EMBRACE IT ALREADY! Go all the way with it, maybe even parody it at times if you want, JUST BE BOLD DAMN IT!
But with Iizuka still in charge, I’m pretty confident that “bold” is the last thing the modern Sonic franchise will be for a good while. They may tease boldness like they did with Forces, but as always they tend to fall just short when it comes to following through with a promising creative idea.
But why even take his word in the first place? He oversaw (and by my assumption greenlit) Sonic Forces, which was so terrible in writing, that it not only had to retcon and ignore a bunch of established lore to justify the baseline of its shitty story, but also wasn't even able to be consistent with its own supervened rules for the Phantom Ruby.
Iizuka is a blight on the Sonic franchise but the moment he'll go, we'll end up with Kishimoto as a director and Zavok replacing every character of the franchise.
@@mkge7206 We would reach perfection.
there's an even easier way to keep it. Non canon but un-banned. I they make it just a post game bonus to have fun and explore the levels, it's enough for alot of people. The biggest problem that nobody seems to talk about when it comes to this design is rather the rapid color changes and flashes. It would make sense and be fair if the real ban reason was beause of epillepsy.
@@renookami4651 That could theoretically be a reason why, but the whole rapid-flashing issue is also a very easy problem to solve. Instead of rapid flashing, make Hyper Sonic white with a glow that gradually shifts between the colors. Given the color choices of the original iteration of Hyper Sonic (very pale colors), it seems like white with color-changing glow was probably what they were going for in the first place, but that's difficult to do on a 16-bit console. The flashing in itself was almost certainly done solely because animating smooth, gradual color changes is *very* difficult and often tedious to do on that kind of hardware. So fuck pretense, let's just rapidly cycle the colors.
I'm not even a big Sonic fan and I 100% share your enthusiasm for Hyper Sonic :D
Thank you! You are not alone in your thoughts about Hyper Sonic, I came to most of these same conclusions myself - but I've never had anyone to talk to about this. I was the only one I knew who even obtained Hyper Sonic, least of all tried to derive any special meaning from him. I so glad I'm not alone in this way of thinking. Sonic 3 & Knuckles - the pinnacle of Sonic the Hedgehog - period.
Love this! I love being Hyper Sonic - the colors, the way Sonic himself looked, the after images, the energy sparks. Plus, the way you described the purpose of this milestone for character development is awesome!