How Much Horsepower Do You Gain From An Integrated Engineering TCU Tune In An Audi SQ5?
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Since I purchased my very first Audi back in 2016, I have always recommended to people to tune their TCU's as well as their ECU's when they start modifying their cars. Once you tune your car to make a bunch more power, it only makes sense to tell your transmission how to better handle all of that power. I still see people not tuning their TCU's and they are missing out on the peak performance of their vehicles.
In this video, Kyle from Reiter Performance, has brought his car to Racing Greed to see what kind of power it now makes to the wheels. He's already done a bunch of 1/4 mile runs on this setup and he now wants to know what it took for power to run the times and trap speeds that he did. If you'd like to check out this Integrated Engineering Stage 1 Audi SQ5 1/4 mile drag racing, here are the links to those videos:
Audi SQ5 1/4 Mile Comparison - Stock VS Integrated Engineering Stage 1 91 VS Stage 1 93
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Thanks to your videos I've got a MercRacing charge cooler, upgraded coolant pump, and a bunch of other goodies waiting to go on my Stage 2+ '16 SQ. Guess I'll be looking at ordering the IE TCU tune now too 😅
Damn straight! TCU should have gone on at the same time as the ECU tune. Good luck with your build!
Awesome video man, and very informative! I have been waiting for you to make this video! I have a bone stock SQ5 and I will be doing all the same mods. (Came from a FBO ultracharged B8 S4 6MT) You have fantastic videos and they are very thought out and presented extremely well. HUGE FAN! Thank you, and your buddy with the SQ5!
Thank you very much for your kinds words and for watching!!!
Have 034 with same tcu, stage one 91 and their intake. It’s an absolute beast off the line. Leaps out of the hole like a Tesla model Y and gives all these EVs nowadays a proper challenge.
If you're impressed with a B8/8.5, you'd be even more impressed with a B9. They launch even harder and make substantially more torque off the line.
We love us some spicey SUVs 🥵
Extending the redline yields better 1/4 mile times because it increases the AVERAGE horsepower. After each shift, the rpm’s drop, but they will be at a higher rpm, which means more power, and a more efficient powerband with higher average HP.
I am very aware of that. What the previous commenter stated is that the whole reason the SUV went as quick and as fast as it did was solely because of the TCU tune and that the ECU tune did barely anything in terms of providing more power to go quicker and faster in the 1/4 mile. I proved that was 100% incorrect because the bulk of the power gained was via the ECU tune. No doubt the TCU helped out too.
Intergrated engineering seems like a great company
They've certainly been great to work with all these years!
Waiting for IE to develop the ECU and TCU for the B9.5 S4. Reached out, they said they are in development for the 2021+ models! 💪🏼🙏🏼
The reason the TCU tune helped you so much, isn't because of the extra peak power, it's because of where the shifts put you in the rpms. You don't make peak power the whole time you are running down the drag strip. Now that you are running 7200rpm, you don't drop way back down to where the engine isn't making the power. That was probably the point being made by the people telling you that. The average power with the rpm shift is a lot more than the 20whp peak gain suggests.
Sadly that wasn't what he was claiming. I feel like this is the 7th time I've explained this now, lol. He claimed that his ECU tune made no difference on performance and the sole reason his SQ5 went quicker, faster and made more power was because of the TCU.
@@VancityAudi lol, got ya.
Its refreshing to see performance results as opposed to just increased torque and or HP. If there isn't any performance data (i.e. 0-60 times and 1/4 mile), the torque and HP doesn't tell us much.
You mean like this?!?! th-cam.com/video/5FyluGlV480/w-d-xo.html
love the videos man, hope to see some more sq5 content in the future!
Thanks. I'll be doing more SQ5 content this racing season
There's likely an argument to be made that a bulk of the quarter mile ET improvement was made by the TCU tune I suppose. But definitely not the hp gains.
Enjoying the incremental Improvement videos.
I expected this video even though we actually already knew the outcome 😆. But now you see the real numbers and they are significant 👌🏻 Nice vid on to the next one 👍🏻
Perhaps you shouldn't say the word "we" knew the outcome. A ton of people have zero clue about the benefits of running TCU tunes, especially the power gains on certain makes and models. Thanks for watching!
@@VancityAudi You're right should have mentioned you and me instead of we. But I meant we as in you and me, because I was the one who responded below the post you referenced. But for the general public it's a good idea to know what the real differences are, as you show with real-time data. Especially now because there are now more ready-made ZF8 tunes available and you don't have to go the HP tuners route.
@@dutchsq5181 ah yes, you and I "we", haha. I gotchya. Thanks for clarifying and watching
Best videos out there for This platform 🤙🤙
Thank you very much
Post a video with single pulley your content is great man keep up the good work
Another great video! I’m have a B8 S4 and want the stage two ecu tune, tcm tune and heat exchanger. In an B8 S4 what the tcm shift at, mine shifts at 8200 now I think. I’m gonna go with EI also I think just because of your videos brother, I feel like you test and tune for the audi gang. Thx a bunch.
Your transmission would have blown up already if it was shifting at 8200rpm, lol. If it isn't tuned it shifts at around 6800rpm. Once tuned with IE you'll be able to shift at 7200rpm or 7350rpm.
Excellent and very helpful video. Looking forward to what you have in mind for the new 2018 S4
Thanks for watching
Very well done. Informative. I'm going to their website right now
Thanks for watching
That’s insane. The stage 1 numbers are what I would have thought it would make stock. These things lose a ton of power through the drivetrain
Remember, these power figures are at the wheels and not at the crank. You have to add drivetrain loss into them to understand what the vehicle makes for power at the crank.
Like always, awesome video! 💪👍
Thanks!
You get alot out of them with the tcu tune when it comes to quartermile times. Getting an extra 1000rpm is no joke.
The bulk of the power is made up top and the higher shift points keep you more in the power band, not sure how they were wrong 🤔
The bulk of the power is made before 6200rpm as proven by the dyno results. They were claiming that just an ECU tune alone was worthless and that all of the gains we saw on track were from 6200rpm and up due to the TCU tune. Clearly not the case here.
@@VancityAudi most of the horse power was made closer to redline most of the torque was made in the mid range in the rpm, in most peoples eyes hp=power, yea they both will help separately but together is wayyy better of course
@@gapcityracing6086 I agree they are much better together. This ignorant viewer was adamant that the ECU tune did nothing for performance gains and it was all in thanks to the TCU. I've proven him wrong by demonstrating how much power was gained from just an ECU tune and no TCU tune. Both together are obviously better for performance though.
Hi guys, after 3 years of being desperate, I understood that 8HP (AL551) can be adapted for higher torque. I had engine swap (CGQB->CVUB) due to burned piston and the new engine is from facelift, but I was promised it was 100% same. Well since then the E clutch adaptation always ends up at -700mbar and that causes slight jerk on 1-2 and 5-6. More pressure to avoid slipping, however damages the E clutch I guess. That engine is puttin out more torque as the TCU is expecting, or at least TCU thinks it is more torque, because the dyno says 570Nm anyway. I have the 8HP55 transmission, but will try to update the AL551 TCU with facelift 8HP70 tranny software to see if it helps or not :-/ No one was able to help me for years with this. Do you think this jerk shifting due to -700mbar fill pressure (-300 to 300 is limit) could be fixed by doing a TCU tune? Thanks!!!
Mmmmm that whine is music to my ears
Great info, very interesting, i wonder what sort of gains could be had with the Euro twin turbo V6 diesel SQ5, i ve got the SQ5 Plus+ TDI....
Sadly I'd never be able to help you out with that info because that vehicle is not sold in North America.
Hey brother thanks for the great content. Just picked up a 2017 SQ5 and have 2 questions, Do you feel the IE tune is the best option for the vehicle, I know it's subjective, just want your thoughts. Also, how did your buddy lowere that thing, it looks sick! Thank again for the great videos.
Absolutely IE is the best option for software on that platform. He lowered it on KW coilovers.
@@VancityAudi Your feedback is much apppreciated, thank you
@@anthonygrafenheimer3843 you're welcome
Love the methodical approach to the test. Do you know why the bypass valve is still closing (intermittently?) at the higher rev range? My understanding is that the closure of the bypass is where most of the gains from the ECU tune are realized. Just wondering why it's not hard-coded to be closed the entire range.
You mean why the bypass valve is still opening? They are setting the boost spec value at a certain number which 95% of people don't surpass. We just have incredible air here though and we make a ton of boost that causes the actual boost value to meet or exceed the boost spec. This causes the bypass valve to open and bleed off the extra boost causing those dips in power.
@@VancityAudi woops sorry that’s what I meant. Understood. I suppose then the tune merely increases that threshold value from stock, and doesn’t simply keep it shut
@@gtspyder correct
Very nice thanks for posting the info.
Thanks for watching
Loved the video. Would have like to see the car with no IE intake because I think that it would show even better than it did on the track test given the extra RPM.
Not sure I understand. Why would you want to see it without the IE intake?
@@VancityAudi To show how much extra you would get on a TCU tuned car from the intake. At the track it looked like 18 hp when you put on the intake. I want to know how much it would be worth on a car with a Stage 1 file but the TCU tune as well because I think it would show even better, given the extra amount of air ingested at the higher RPM.
@@Todd.T how did you come to an 18hp gain from just seeing 1/4 mile runs? The videos from the track were already using both the ECU and TCU tune.
@@VancityAudiI forgot the part that the TCU was tuned, but would still be curious as to it's advantages on a car without a TCU tune that isn't going to rev that high. I said 18hp as a ballpark because for you to drop a 10th in the quarter you either have to add 10 hp or drop 100lbs. Same to gain a mph.
@@Todd.T that's an extremely general calculation, but okay. Ya, it would have been interesting to see the difference in ET and trap with and without a TCU tune installed
What are your guesses about the future of the 3l v6 engines. Forged pistons, camshafts? Hopefully they will be able to reach 700+ hp one day.
Are you referring to this generation 3.0L V6 or the new 3.0L V6 found in the current generation?
I mean the b8.5 s4 (supercharged)
@@jonasvandebuerie8266 I personally think we have seen just about the limits of that setup. Many people disagree with me though and have made new superchargers and port injection kits in hopes of running straight E85 with a bigger blower. I don't foresee a useable 700hp out of that engine.
please do also logs on diff files
That's one speedy mom car!
With all due respect, the SQ5 is a *fast dad* car 😉
That's on speedy car, mom....
these videos are true audi geek porn
good job sir
Thank you very much. I appreciate the kind words.
Hey Adam! Just curious what that SQ5 is lowered on? Really like how it Sits. I recently ordered a set of KW street comfort coilovers for my sq5 and have been hesitant to install from fear it being too low.
I'm so sorry dude. I f$cked up. It is lowered on KW adjustable springs. My bad!!!
Hey I am new to this channel , Great Stuff !! I have 2013 Audi Q3 Now 2105 In The USA. I have stage 1 integrated engineering Tune. I not put my car in Dyno as yet but the difference is Huge !! I I have now installed REV 9 Intercooler with a some modification because I could not find the correct fit. I have also added CTS Turbo down pipe . I have not added stage 2 File as yet as I want to add the Air intake system and and and Transmission Tune. Can you recommend a TCU Tune for Car . There is not much information on Audi q3 EA888 engine
I honestly don't know that there is one. From what I know the transmissions aren't very well built in those SUV's sadly. Sorry dude.
Hey Adam I have 2014 sq5 and I try to dyno it but we couldn’t take traction fully off
Ya, I think we pulled a fuse to prevent the car from utilizing traction control. You should be able to Google it.
just grabbed a super clean 2016 SQ5. Thinking for doing this exact thing minus the air intake. Can this all be done from my phone etc once the gear in purchased? Thanks for the tips.
As of right now, you'll need a laptop and the IE Powerlink cable to tune the car. Soon, IE will be releasing tuning capabilities via their phone app though.
I just bought a 2015 SQ5 a few weeks ago. 42,000 miles. (No Mods yet) I have noticed some "Sloppy" trans behavior. Its not all the time, normal day to day driving in "comfort" mode is fine mostly. In Dynamic it shifts harder and seems to jerk around - up and down in gear. I understand this might be the trans way of becoming more eager and aggressive. However, here is where it gets strange,...When in "comfort" and I decide to be aggressive with the gas peddle (like chasing down our mail man on the highway) it shifts hard, and after the big chase it's like the transmission stays pissed off - Shifting a little hard and up and down in gear. It's not until I stop the car and it sits a bit will it stop the erratic behavior. SO with this said, do you have any kind of explanation? Also do you think there is a good TCU tune that would help some of this erratic behavior when in Comfort mode? Do you think a simple re-map of the trans at the dealership will fix this? ANY INFO HELPS!!!!!! Love your Vids by the way!
I'd look at doing a transmission service as well as a proper TCU tune from IE. Dealerships don't offer tuning most of the time. You can do it yourself by ordering IE's Powerlink cable or you can go to an IE dealer to have it done. Thanks for watching!
It’s normal for a ZF8. The trans is bulletproof. I can assure you. They use these in all medium or large high powered cars such as roles Royce, Lamborghini Urus, Porsche Cayenne, Bentley whatever the heck they have and so on. They can handle a lot of torque and shift fast. Also can skip gears. That’s why probably feels weird.
Awesome video
Can I tune my Audi Q5 2.0t like that?
You can tune your ECU just like I demonstrate, but I don't belive there is a TCU available for your transmission.
@@VancityAudi
Correct no TCU tune -- kinda weird --
It's interesting to me -- B9 Q5 2.0t is near 350HP stage2...
Maybe a SQ5 vs Q5 2.0t drag racing!! Similar HP range 6cyl vs 4 cyl "mass" difference= time difference
The numbers are good but how reliable are these tunes? I have a stock 2017 SQ5 and I’m tempted with the stage 1. I’m not interested in big numbers, I’m looking for better fuel consumption and a little more pep on the highway. Is a TCU tune necessary with a stage 1 ??
It isn't "necessary," but you won't get the full potential of the tune as shown in this video without a matching TCU. Their Stage one tunes are extremely reliable. Make sure you use promo code VANCITYAUDI for a discount from performancebyie.com/?dt_id=312953
I have a new 2023 Audi SQ5. What should I start with to make the turbo have a little more noise, or should I start with the an air intake? I don’t want to go crazy with mods but I want it to seem a little more ballsy haha thanks I’m a newbie
It depends if you want whoosie turbo noises or more exhaust noise. Whoosie turbo noises are achieved by installing an open air filter intake and a blow off valve. Exhaust noises would be a catless downpipe and midpipes.
any tests with dualpulley ??? RPM, fuel etc. It would be nice
As mentioned in this video, the SUV is only a Stage 1 level. Eventually we'll get to a dual pulley level though where we showcase dyno testing and 1/4 mile times.
Any udea why the bypass valve was opening? Was this not addressed appropriately in the original stage 1 tune? Has IE corrected it?
Same thing happened here, and they then addressed the issue: th-cam.com/video/F0yOw6dDwV0/w-d-xo.html
So stock the horse power is not even close to what Audi says it comes with?? (354hp)
The horsepower Audi claims is what the SUV makes at the crank. The measurements you see here are power ratings at the wheels. You have to account for the drivetrain loss.
Would you say a TCU tune would improve reliability as well?
Not sure I could say that, but you'll get a better overall driving experience
what supporting mods do you recommend with just the
IE ZF8 AL551 TCU Tune
I don't ever recommend you just tune the TCU. You need to tune the ECU and then the TCU.
Great video. I'm from Brazil and I have a supercharged SQ5 with k&n inbox. Would it be possible to somehow perform the remap (ecu and tcu 91 octane) via remote?
Absolutely. You need a Windows based laptop, a strong Wi-Fi connection and the Integrated Engineering ODB2 dongle found here: performancebyie.com/products/ie-vw-audi-powerlink-flash-cable?_pos=1&_sid=bb617cbf4&_ss=r
@@VancityAudi Combined. Once I get the connector, I'll get back in touch to work out the details. Nice job. Congrats.
@@Diovanni Integrated Engineering has details and videos on their website on how to tune your car.
Seems an exhaust system could wake it up a bit more?
Maybe in terms of sound, but not for power.
@@VancityAudi No restriction in the headers or cats or mufflers?
@@exothermal.sprocket replacing the cats with test pipes would open it up a bit, but I've seen in other testing that upgrading the exhaust doesn't provide any power gains.
Hi, all the way from Germany.
I was wondering if you would swap the original Turbo with a high Performance garrett Turbo on a sq5 8R, I am thinking of doing that. My SQ5 8r TDI competition has the stage 2 MTM Chip implemented, tested 431 bhp.
No idea, sorry. I have no experience on the new turbocharged SQ5's other that what I've seen with my B9 S4 with the same motor and transmission. If I had to suggest a turbo it would be the TTE710.
@@VancityAudi Thanks a lot for answering, I will research the TTE710. Great Videos by the way 👍
@@Andili76 no problem. I'd recommend Integrated Engineering paired with the TTE710
Is it true some newer year SQ5’s cannot take a TCU tune? I was told by 034 that my car won’t take it but is that the same for IE? If you know
It's not that they won't take it. It's that they haven't unlocked the box code yet. Provide your VIN and box code to IE and they might have a solution for you.
@@VancityAudi awesome thank you!
@@vr6trooperno problemo. Good luck!
Anyone else have lag while going into drive or reverse? Stock had no lag, did the tcu tune and now it hesitates going into drove or reverse. Other than that runs great!
Hi Adammmmmm.... how are you???
I'm dual pulley now sq5 2015.
I wanted to ask what it needs to be in the tcu tuning to get more "power" and less times for 100 or 200 kph ?
It is only the fact that it goes 7200rpm gives it more "power"? Or must to make it more pressure in the shifting???
It allows the engine to rev to 7200rpm which allows you to make more horsepower. Without the TCU tune your motor can't rev as high and won't make as much power. Thought that was pretty clearly explained in this video.
The other thing a TCU tune does is allow for a better launch control and possibly better shifts.
@@VancityAudi yes it was very clear in the video. Just wanted to hear it from you again. I'll let you know the difference in my car after I will tune the tcu. And heyyyyy... thanks for all Adam. Your videos are the best. Love to watch them. Thanks From ISRAEL
HI Adam, could you explain what it means when you say uncorrected Mustang dyno?
Of course. Mustang is the brand of dyno. Uncorrected means whatever the SUV generated for power it simply spits out those numbers. Many, many dyno facilities use corrections for the weather, density altitude, elevation and so on. That tends to artificially inflate the numbers. To give you an example, if we used a Dynojet calibration during these runs it would have shown that it made roughly 15% more power. I simply wanted to show uncorrected, uncalibrated numbers. They may appear low to some, but they are accurate.
@@VancityAudi great explanation! Thank you
@@jrmynet no problemo. Thanks for watching!
Hey Adam!
Hey!
Does the B9 gain any power from TCU tune?
No. Unlike the B8, the B9's powerband drops off higher up in the rpm's because the turbo isn't very big. If I remember correctly the peak horsepower in a B9 with a stock turbo is around 5600rpm so there is no advantage in revving the car out to 6800rpm for maximum acceleration. With that said I still HIGHLY recommend you pair your ECU tune with a TCU tune to get the maximum amount of performance out of your B9.
@@VancityAudiI followed your advice on that, about the intake you showed, can you dyno the B9 to see if it adds power like the B8 did?
@@adventurer4188already did. th-cam.com/video/Jsdmf78qHXA/w-d-xo.html
Hi guys.. I just tuned my SQ5 2015 to 034MOTORSPORT TCU 7200RPM TUNE. I'm stage 2plus dual pully ecu.
I went to a test drive... the power goes down from 6000 to 7200rpm... and after two pulls the car now goes slow...
I checked for faults and yessssss there is p034000 camshaft position sensor circuit. It doesn't erase. Active fault.
Am I fucked my AUDI? or what?
The situation now is : long starter (2 sec) to start. And the car goes like it has 100hp. No strange noise or somthing. Any suggestion before I'm crying here?
Have you tried reaching out to 034, seeing as your problem started after you tuned it?
@@VancityAudi i sent an email... it was before 2 hours all the story... waiting for any comforting answer from some one who experience it
How much for the last tune?
Everything is listed on their website: performancebyie.com/collections/ecu-software-tunes/products/ie-zf8-al551-tcu-tune-fits-audi-c7-c7-5-a6-a7-3-0t-supercharged If you used promo code VANCITYAUDI you'll save some money as well.
Next time put the year of the SQ5 in the title.
Next time, take a closer look at the thumbnail and the vehicle on the dyno in the first 5 seconds of the video, lol
Do you guys have tunes available for a 2018 Macan Turbo?
When you say "you guys" who are you referring to?
I’m new to the tunes, what is the long term effects on the car? I don’t race or anything I use my S4 daily driving and occasionally open it up on long drives.
It just pushes the car harder. Quicker wear and tear on all of the components. If you're just daily driving the car though and not racing it there won't be much more than normal.
I noticed better gas mileage when I tuned mine and I’ve heard similar results from a lot of friends who tuned theirs, car feels a lot more like a sports car on stage 1 as well, totally different animal in the best way, definitely have to pair it with a tcu tune if you go stage 1, worth every penny imo even as just a daily
@@hazzex2520 appreciate that feed back. Definitely going to get it done soon.
@@tommygunnz130 you won’t regret it, stay safe!
(Also I recommend IE tuning because their customer service is second to none, they part quality is top of the line, and their tunes are extremely well done, I’m also an IE fan boi lol, have heard really good things about 034 motorsports as well If you decide IE isn’t for you)
@@hazzex2520 leaning towards the IE tune for sure! Been watching a lot of vids and everyone talks very highly of their tunes. Reached out to them and they are currently in development to make the tune available for the 2021+ models so now just got to wait. Be safe out there!
what gear was passed on the dyno?
Shows on the dash in the video.
Any body doing tuning on q7?
What year?
iam in luv with u Adam!
That's creepy and flattering at the same time!
What about the 3.0 this model?
They use the same motor and the same transmission, not to mention the same tunes. This would apply to those as well.
@@VancityAudi Do you have any dyno graphs, or videos of these?
@@TEJET1 they'd look the same as the SQ5
@@VancityAudi Sorry, I just realised auto correct changed my message. I was asking about the 3.0 TDI Engine? which is in Australia and Europe? Its a diesel engine, so the dyno would be different :)
@@TEJET1 in that case, it's a completely different motor. Different tuning is needed. www.getunitronic.com/ecu-tuning/audi-q5-3.0tdi-2014-2016-stage1
I'd like way less of this Canadian guy talking. Not even that long of a video, but wow some parts were brutal. Maybe I'm just in a bad mood🤷♂️
Agree 100%. He's got an annoying pitch voice. Almost like he's yelling and straining to talk.
🤣🤣🤣 in my old, old videos, I used to get comments like these every now and that was because I was too animated. Haven't seen one in a while though.
🤣🤣🤣 happy to know you're one of the minority. I get more comments about having a voice for radio than people saying they hate my voice.
Sir you are the reason my wife is going to divorce me.
LOL. That will give you the opportunity to find a new wife that appreciates how fast your SQ5 will be!
@@VancityAudi I gave her the option , either let me have the nookie or let me have the HP. So I guess I’m getting parts. Which is cool too.
@@desertsandcastles Better something than nothing!
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