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The Pokemon Company issued a statement but what does it really mean?
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At worst, those Pals that look too similar to some Pokemon might be removed. Then again, that option is less likely considering most(if not all) of the creature design are original enough.
Precisely
That was kind of my thought. Even with some very similar designs, they are unique enough to be distinct.
I am liking Palworld so far and as a Pokémon fan who has become dissatisfied with the quality of the games lately my hope is that Palworlds success makes Nintendo/Pokémon co./Gamefreak do better with it's future games.
I agree! I've gotten fatigue from playing Pokemon games. They're all the same with little things added in each rendition. PalWorld took good things from many games and then made it their own. Yeah, so what if a game has a chine when entering a new area, a lot of games do. Or text popping up on screen. Or games that have a climbing mechanic. Only reason why people compare to Pokemon I feel is because you're using a ball shaped object to capture a cartoony looking creature... 🤷
Ayyy same here. I love Pokémon and I do enjoy the strategy of turn- based but it’s like cmon try something new. Palworld is fire and I don’t think Nintendo has any grounds to sue
@@zemotika Isn't that what the side games do? Never played any of them besides Legends Arceus so I don't really know anything about them other than you take pictures in Snap.
Nintendo have plenty of lawyers and we've seen them acting against people in less than 24h, so if they had ANY to go on and knowing this game development on their own Country, wouldn't Nintendo had taken measures years ago or even make a move with Steam to block the sale of it........ What i'm sayin is that the statement is a paragraph full of nothing, or in another words a "ok ok stop spamming us with crying, we will pretend we will do something" so those pety people will stop and some already celebrate victory of a lawsuit that doesnt exist and won't because unless Japan has some damn odd law, outside of it they have 0 chance to win in special on NA/EU.
I agree.. if I'm not mistaken they already sent a cease and desist order to the mod creator who put literal Pokemon into the game. But nothing against the game itself.
One thing Nintendo has never had to contend with is Threats of Violence if someone were to send them an encrypted email threatening to Shoot Up there offices if they tried to sue there only hope would be to get the (supposed) bigger guns of the FBI which typically won’t conduct a lot of effort as Nintendo is a Japanese business.
At the end of the day the customers will just choose a superior product for them.
Ps. I might be interested in Palworld lore.
Thank you. It would be on my seco d channel. Check the community tab
What got me absolutely laughing the other day is how these very toxic individuals were yelling how they not only stole from Pokèmon company, but from Fakemon artists.
Despite the absurdity of expecting a company to just magically know the millions of internet fan made creatures and creations. Yet what is so sad but funny is one the Fakemon they screamed PalWorld stole... the artist investigated and found out the very similar looking pal, & found out when looking at the first trailer that had presented this pal; hangyu. It predated her creation by a year. So she mentioned it was just a coincidence, and similar ideas came out.
But these people will try to weaponize anything they can, even if it means lying to get their opinions made fact.
The best part is that the lead designer is herself a Fakemon artist. Handily explains the very Pokemonesque look.
@@AmandaFessler Right?! When I heard her story, I felt so happy and proud for her!
@@PestilentAllosaurus Yeah, it's such a great thing. :)
Multiple Gaming IP lawyers have stated, some yes are close, but in an actual inquiry, Nintendo IP could not pass the 4 requirements for EACH pal violating the IP. Therefore no case is possible, they would have done this years ago before piblic opinion swayed in Pocket Pairs favor, and also when they have the resources the fight back.
The funny thing about Palworld's success is its doing the thing that could've made Spectrobes(a pokemon like made by DISNEY) successful. There's a fresh market on xbox for a creature collector and i personally love it
Other monster games before exist. Dragon Quest, Monster Hunter, and Youkai Watch being one of them. The monsters are based on animals and tsukumogami. Only the body type option replacing the sex option is stupid.
Okay
I agree. It's only because of the whole trans movement that they steered away from using gender language. Even though the two body types are clearly female and male, it's just to satisfy the screeching harpies 🤷
@@cobraman90 While hypocritically sexing the pals. Censors do turn against their own people like calling cross-dressers "body types" instead of "male" or "female" based on the worn clothes.
When u said "if it smells like blood, it literally hops like shark" I was reminded of the scene from Finding Nemo when Bruce smelled blood & started attacking Marlin & Dory.
Also a reminder that SV sold 10 mil in only 3 days. Palworld cannot feasibly be a threat to Pkmn.
How are things now that a couple months have passed?
I know I'm a little late to the topic but, when I saw all the Palworld drama I realized that everything became polarized faster thanks to social media and TH-cam.
I have been playing Pokemon since the Gold and Silver edition and in all my years I have seen many games similar to Pokemon (Nexomon for example). For me, Palworld has nothing striking, because I see it as just another survival game whose only interesting thing is the Pals. Being basically Pokemon with Guns (I don't like shooters or any game that has similar mechanics) but, honestly... I feel like the whole scandal was unnecessary.
Furthermore, Palworld appeals to a completely different audience than Pokemon.
I’m a Pokémon fan, but I like this concept! And hey, the Pokémon company would be foul to shut down a game not even being called “Pokémon”, unlike many fan projects explicitly named Pokémon “X” (insert a name here). With how many unfinished/glitched games that TPC keeps trying to pump out annually for double the price of this game on Steam, good on Palworld!
Fair
as a pokemen fanboy I love this game it's the legend of arceus I've wanted arceus was fun but this game just does so much more and better
Pokemon probably just sees Palworld as another monster catching knock off, they've been along side Digimon and Monster Rancher, and all those 3 got along, pokemon threat detectors are barely at yellow alert lol. And Palworld is just more fuel for the God's over at Deviantart.
Have you heard of Robipon? It's a similar game where you catch robots. It's like a literal combination of Pokemon and Digimon. Cuz you fight in virtual combat scenarios, but also "irl" like Digimon.. and the whole scope of catching different robots would be akin to Pokemon, even having different weakness and resistance factors based on the type of robot.
If pokemon used the word "investigating," that means they can't legally do anything and are waiting for actual trademark or copyright infringement because no IP was stolen.
If pokemon, nintendo, and gamefreak were smart, they'd try to use a smaller company they own to buy out palworld before Microsoft or Sony do.
Microsoft is probably already in talks to keep Palworld away from Sony.
@@therealdrogane unfortunately yeah. I'd rather just play mouse and keyboard on steam than being restricted to a Microsoft gamepass or being locked to a PS console.
BS no IP was stolen.
Palworld stole and ripped asset's / models from pokemon.
@Yusei255 models aren't ip unless they were directly copied. Lucario vs. Anubis? Anubis is an Egyptian God whose likeness is that of a man with a jackal head. Therefore, both are inspired by Anubis, the Egyptian God, not the other way around.
If Palworld stole from Pokémon then Pokémon stole from Ghostbusters.
Dont forget dragon quest too@@WhisperNuggetz
There are 3 examples that i can think of that people could say ripped off pokemon... This game, Digimon and an off game called robipon (i believe) (there was a sun version and moon version i think)
I've mentioned this on 1 other TH-cam video, so I'm going 2 go ahead & mention it here 2 as I'm curious:
Forget 4 a moment any similarities 2 Pokémon & even Fortnite... is anybody else besides me out there thinking about how much this game actually resembles Breath of The Wild?
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I am better off with Pokémon being Pokémon. It is better as a Japanese series once was that it was also inspired by anime. Dragon Quest is better as Dragon Quest. Youkai Watch is better when it is about the youkai that the content should not be censored in other countries, nor from the source.
Fair
Oh no they're investigating.... Maybe while they're investigating how this game is doing so well they might learn a thing or 24 their own failures...
And I think it'd be an absolute hilarious blast if Nintendo were to port this to the switch! The tears of all the haters would fill a river
I heard that they are a subsidiary of the pokemon company and that they gave them permission and the game had trailers and creature breakdowns all the way until release so all this so called backlash is redundant these the same people who gave permission to release the Sinnoh remakes and keeps us from obtaining pokemon so you HAVE to buy the new game in hopes your favorite mon is present and let's not forget the cheating in VGC 😂 but yea let's trash someone's hard work like the game wasn't well made for what it is when a multi billion dollar company will sell you an incomplete game because most are to ignorant to care
I have not heard this yet but if this is true - this would be insane.
@@therealdrogane people been bringing this up in my feed so I took time to research not much but from what I've gathered the info holds true until further notice of course
“We have not granted any permission for the use of Pokémon intellectual property or assets in that game,” Nintendo’s Pokémon Company said in a statement on Thursday. “We intend to investigate and take appropriate measures to address any acts that infringe on intellectual property rights related to the Pokémon.”
AU PC Mag article, titled:
‘Nintendo's Pokemon Co. to Investigate Palworld for Potential Lawsuit’
January 26th, 2024.
I'm a fan of both Pokemon and Palworld and i understand that some pals look kinda similar to Pokemon but i still enjoy palworld a lot. And honestly i don't get why so many people would hust hate on Palworld and tbe company that made it. I understand that you might like it but can't PalWorld and pokemon exist together? They're both fun games (at least in my opinion)
I agree
“But then there are some that really are rather blatant. To name a few, I’ve seen one Pal that is absolutely just Eevee’s head on a fluffy, cloud-like body. There’s no other way to describe or explain it. There’s one that I outright mistook for Leafeon in some pictures, although I see from other angles that it has more of a squirrel body. There’s another that looks an awful lot like Lucario. Even if it’s just a handful of Pals that legitimately infringe on Pokémon copyrights, that’s still copyright infringement.”
- Sam Castree. Copyright Lawyer
quoted from IGN Article:
‘As Palworld Blows Up, Could Nintendo Successfully Sue the Controversial 'Pokemon With Guns' Game?’
Well lucario one is called Anubis so you I don't think you can claim mythology.
Yes IGN's review is extremely biased. Anubis is literally a mythological creature. So while Lucario is based off the Jackal design - pokemon does own the rights to Anubis. There are very few questionable ones and even then they are still not the same.
@@therealdrogane the problem with pokemon fans is because they care about pokemon too much so even very little resemblance will make them think it's the same even though the pals in question is very different other than that one vague similarity. It doesn't help that human mind is built for pattern matching this is why people can see shapes in clouds even if they are not true.
@@therealdrogane I wouldn’t say “extremely biased”, it seemed relatively balanced to me.
The legal expert and Pokémon fan seemed to make a balanced argument, in that some designs will be more easily to prove a direct derivation of licensed works.
Note the term ‘licensed work’, which is slightly different to ‘copyright permission.’
If Nintendo et al will seek compensation, that may perhaps settle with PalWorld on a license agreement- which would see Nintendo et al will receive a small share of revenue derived from PalWorld and its future works and sales that feature characters that are of ‘most similar in appearance.’
This may actually be a cheaper option for PalWorld as a settlement out of Court - vs if they went to court and risk of paying even more money in compensation as well as Court fees and legal dues etc.
Depends too on which Nations they file lawsuits in.
If they were to take legal Action through the Law Courts of my country, Australia, they could actually go for a Libel Suit (defamation against a corporation and/or brand) on grounds that PalWorld’s characters have damaged the reputation of Pokémon’s family-friendly ratings and a proportion of its proprietary characters.
Australia’s Defamation and Libel common law has recently been widely-opened in terms of its ‘greyness’ and ambiguity over the years, - which means that recent precedent has made it easier for plaintiffs to be successful in their civil cases relating to any ‘damages to their brand reputation’.
So what I’m saying is that it’s easier to win a defamation/libel lawsuit in Australia than a copyright infringement lawsuit - on grounds that recent court rulings have resulted in more ambiguity in terms of ‘what can be claimed as defamation’ and ‘how the damages are calculated’; many more factors can be applied nowadays.
@NeverMeltIce Yes but the problem I have with all this is both companies are based in Japan. So it doesn't matter what any other lawyer says. Only Japan law matters.
No you have it all wrong
That's it?
Pal Pocket should've just made more original monsters.
Ik Pal fans like to throw DQ around, but the mons look nothing alike ( Take Slowbro and Shellmon from Digimon. Both are based on a snail yokai, but look wholly different).
Just hire an artist to remake the monsters IMHO
I get it
@@therealdrogane I think another safety net is that Palworld hot now, but it has to build up a legacy to really be seen as anything other than a current fad IMO.
Pokemon's an issue is that game freak is trying to emulate the success of Zelda, what is it doing the necessary steps to ensure that they stick the landing
@@desdar100 Pokemon has always looked to other games to be successful. The irony is strong
@@therealdrogane true, but arguably Pokemon was technically breath of the wild before Zelda hopped on that train.
The world that we saw in the handheld games was just a abstract version of what was really there.
I think the issue when it comes to power world is that it hasn't really carved up its own identity because it's just called Pokemon with guns.
That, and a lot of the people who are rocking with us are only doing so to make Nintendo and company jealous in hopes that it would somehow improve Pokemon as a series.
Palworld fans are toxic. Pokemon fans were toxic back. Its a big mess.
No they are not 🤣
That probably means that there trying to see if they can even take em to court. They had 3YEARS!!! …..to do this. It’s only because it’s currently popular and no one is paying attention to there dlc.
Perhaps
It’s like walking a tightrope when it comes to copyright law and the video game industry as a whole.
If PalWorld is successful in dodging a lawsuit, it would likely give ‘carte blanch’ for other video games to use AI’s capacity as a blender of past design works.
Defensive strategies such as used for: ‘irony’, ‘comedy’, ‘only 10% of original’, or ‘educational’ purposes would likely fail given that the mode of operation used to produce the game was intended solely as a ‘commercially available video game’.
It is not a TH-cam video, it is not a lecture presentation, it is not a discussion forum, and it is not a comedic act, and it uses over 10% of each alleged more-obviously copied material such as the Eevee looking one.
One thing Nintendo et al’s Lawyers can do is to hire an Independent Research firm to conduct independent surveys on asking random people: ‘which video game does each character belong to?’.
They would use a random but evenly distributed mix of official Pokemon designs, designs from other games, and PalWorld designs. Eg. 5 Official Pokemon designs, 5 designs from other games, and 5 designs from PalWorld.
Ice they didn't use A.I to make the designs. It's been proven the person who posted that was a liar
@@therealdrogane wow 😮 I didn’t know that. I was under the assumption that this was their ‘silver bullet’ for their defence; blaming AI and shifting the burden from humans to tech.
Well, then this makes it easier for Nintendo et al to bring forth a solid argument that these ‘very similar’ designs were in-fact meticulously planned.
In regard to Anubis, yes Nintendo et al don’t own it but they do own the elements of the design that go above and beyond any ordinary past portrayal of Anubis.
Also, while I doubt this to be the case, we still don’t know if Nintendo had made an arrangement with the Government of Egypt 🇪🇬 and its accredited research institutions to pay to use the base design of Anubis - given its rich cultural heritage and preservation of image.
@NeverMeltIce Right. Which is why we know for a fact - Nintendo really doesn't care or already knows they can't sue. This is open and closed case.
And everyone on youtube is trying to profit from the drama.
@@therealdroganecorporate lawyers never show their cards publicly and tend to be very careful in working with their respective Public Relations Department.
simple things are taken care of quickly and efficiently by Nintendo et al’s legal department - such as cease and desist matters on TH-cam.
Complex things, such as legal matters between corporations with revenue streams in multiple countries, take time and patience.
I’m betting you won’t hear of any formal Court proceedings until May or June of this year.
From What I understand the real issue isn't merely stealing ideas (whatever), but literally lifting and modifying the models from the pokemon games. Nintendo and the pokemon are notorious for their litigious thought process on fangames, but taking their stuff fpor use on your own IP is a big no no for any company without permission.
There is zero proof the models were lifted and modified. And before you begin claiming the proof is on twitter that was already shown to be made up nonsense.
People reporting are immature, but also seeing palmons being shot down is jarring to me. People can do what they want but I dont like those game mechanics
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Did you see when I kicked the sheep into the lake?
All this says is creativity is cheap and not worth protecting.
palworld has taken thing from pokemon and a lot of other games some time blatantly
I understand that frustration
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You do know Pokémon copied dragon quest and many others lol Nothing will happen.
Yes exactly
@@therealdrogane Good! These mad fake Pokémon fans commenting don’t even know this cause they lazy af to just research and learn.As I’ve said before,Most people hate on games that are good.Palworld is better then Pokemon when it comes to gameplay and that really gets to them haha
@@TheCursedOniPalworld is a game made for kids and man children that say "ooo guns me like"
No.
@purpleclaws202 I'm confused - Pokemon is for a younger audience as well. This point is a strange one other than calling me a man-child which I am totally fine with.
Don’t forget the term ‘Pal’ being used in conjunction with the overall context of these character designs & their resemblance to Pokémon.
We have a plethora of instances where Ash Ketchum used the term ‘Pal’ when referring to his Pokémon such as ‘Pikachu’ in the English anime and manga.
We also have ‘PalPark’ and ‘PokéPal’ used within the franchise too - both used well-before the conception of PalWorld.
Monster Hunter uses the term Palico and they capture monsters should Pokémon go after them too?
Pal isnt a nintendo word,Pal is an english word to mean friend they plus nintendo have known about this game for years and should have shut it down,They shit down a pokemon mod for the game
@@zzirSnipzz1 and that fan made mod might also be Palworld's saving grace because it didn't prove but suggests that Pokémon models and sprites had to be added and therefore weren't copied.
@@zzirSnipzz1 oh my goodness. Well I guess that’s my fault for living in Australia 🇦🇺. I do not know as much about it in the USA 🇺🇸 legal system or Japanese legal system and their respective legislation.
In Australia, when it comes to copyright infringement claims it’s all about ‘association’ and whether it is likely for a member of the public to confuse the two as being the same or directly related to each other as being co-owned by a parent company.
“On the balance of probabilities; is this claim so justified wherein random members of the general population within this jurisdiction would be able to see an apparent association between the two franchises or be able to confuse ‘PalWorld’ and its corresponding ‘box art’ as a Pokémon game title?”
Is PalPark a trademarked term? Yes.
Is there an association between a trainer and their Pokémon and the usage of the word ‘Pal’?
Yes.
Has the word ‘Pal’ been used within the franchise to express the same sentiment as stated in the previous question?
Yes.
Could you replicate this association using an independent survey?
Yes.
@@NeverMeltIcePalworld is not infringing trademarks, none of the Pals share a name with their Pokémon counterparts
Also only some of the most famous pokemon are copyright protected by trademarks
good. Maybe they can get the game shut down. I doubt it though since bad companies such as the one that made Palworld get away with disgusting conducts. Palworld is an example of pure lazy and unethical game creation. Their blatant rip off of Pokemon is so obvious that people have to be blind to not see it. Palworld is on my hated game list. I refuse to buy and play it.
🤣 Alright
By your logic, all music bands should be gone as they are not allowed to make music, nor be inspired-as if Ludwig Van Beethoven, Wolfgang Mozart, and Johann Sebastian Bach own all music.
Someone dosnt know Pokémon copied dragon quest and it shows. 😂
I admire your passion and dedication to Pokémon and respect your opinion, and whilst I don’t disagree some Pals look similar to Pokémon, they aren’t direct copies. You can’t copyright an art style, neither can you copyright a non specific artistic concept- which is what Pokémon characters are.
I am a die hard fan, but I can’t help but hope that Palworld makes The Pokémon Company look at the success that Palworld has had and maybe take a second look at where they may be going wrong and learn from it.
@@TheCursedOni Pokemon didn't copy anything so you just lied. Muting you since I don't care for liars.