The Legendary Alfa Romeo 164 ProCar
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- The FIA ProCar series was intended as a sideshow to the #FormulaOne weekend that would have seen the drivers compete on Fridays using cars that looked remarkably similar to showroom models.
The choice for the base car naturally fell on Alfa's newest model, the 164. After some initial work by Alfa Corse and Dallara, the design and construction of the chassis was contracted out to the British F1 team Brabham, which supplied two tubs codenamed BT57/01 and /02.
With no other manufacturer showing similar commitment, the ProCar never became a reality, with the fastest #Alfa164 ever making just one public appearance at Monza, during the 1988 Italian GP weekend.
Driven by F1 star Riccardo Patrese, the wail of its V10 engine wowed the crowd during a few flying laps, after which it was consigned to the #AlfaRomeo Museum in Arese, near Milan, where the two cars built are preserved to this day.
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I really wish the Procar championship came to fruition. A race series with the 164 V10, versus F1 opposition from Ferrari, Ford, Honda, Lamborghini, Renault.... yes please!! Class 1 DTM with 3.5 F1 engines - magic.
"Hey, you can't do that!"
Alfa Romeo:Watch me.
What a legend of a car!!!
I think the competition, was afraid of the incredible sound it made! (and the unprecedented top speed!)
:)
Such a cool car, this embodies one my fave things about motorsport and that’s the creative interpretation of the rules.
Indeed! That's what fascinates me too
Excellent video again! That 164 would be an great "sleeper" car! Imagine going to the track and blowing the doors off a Porsche or Ferrari. I would even put my mother-in-law in back seat to further confuse the other drivers!
It would fool everyone... Until you started it up, though! The V10 scream would give the game away instantly :)
There are 2 issues with that. There's no back seat. The silhouette of the upper part is there, but under the belt line there's the engine cover. The other's when the V10 screams at 13000 rpm no one can sleep, so it couldn't be a sleeper anymore!!! HAHAHA :)
ultimate sleeper, sad this wasn't in the 2004 game S.C.A.R (Squadra Corse Alfa Romeo)
I remember that game! Never played it though
Thank you for video. This one probably the only detailed video about this car on internet.
Glad you appreciated it! I try to share the best of my knowledge about Italian cars, and it’s great to hear I managed to create something unique :)
The Beauty and the Beast....melted together to create the 164 ProCar.
Thx for another great video.
Thank you!!!
A legendary car, had the pleasure to see it at the Alfa Romeo Museum.
Waited for this video. Made my day 😍. Didn't know it was right hand drive
Glad you liked it!! Thank you!
That V10 engine and its designer pino D'Agostino went to help Schumacher win all those races ...
Well, yes indeed about engineer D'Agostino, not so much about the V10 itself, as Ferrari's later V10 were completely unrelated to that old Alfa V10
My father had a 164 with a 3 litre 16 valve Busso engine for almost 15 years until it was sold to an enthusiast who would restore it. The original owner custom ordered it in metallic green with custom wood interior trims. I have so many memories tied to that car. I got to drive it for the last few years and no other car has come close to it. The engine that pulls constantly through whole RPM range with instant response and amazing sound, super comfortable seats and sitting position, it was a sports limousine for sure. True Italian car.
Che mostro! What a fabulous machine.
I had never heard of it. I had never heard of the race series.
72⁰ is a sacred V-angle.... It is the same as a Moto Morini twin from the 70s. Also the same as the angle between cylinders of a 5-cylinder radial.
This is like a big boy's version of the mad, mid-engined R5 Turbo of Jean Ragnotti and other insane rally pilots.
I had no idea this existed and am somehow happier now that I know.
Thanks for the video.
Do you refer to the Morini 350cc engine? I'm no 'bike expert, but I do know about that model :)
@@Matteo_Licata Yes. Lovely machine. I still have the 1977 "tre e mezzo Sport" that I bought on the mid-80s. Small, swift and full of character. I no longer ride a motorcycle, but cannot sell it. It now has a 507cc motor, so it is a bit more usable.... It is the two-wheel Lancia Fulvia Zagato.... Perfect.
This thing is insanely fantastic! 👍👍♥️
Many thanx 👍👍 excellent content!
Thank you, glad you enjoyed it!!!
What a beast! Didn't expect to see timing belts on the F1 engine. Great video, thank you so much. Ciao 🙋♂️
Glad you liked it! Those belts are there as a way to dampen tiny vibrations in the gear set that actually does the timing. The engineer who designed the engine was there, and he told us that. I had never seen such a solution!
Another great video on a great car that only a few know about(minus a handful of true Alfistis). I am amazed at how true to a normal 164 this car is and from a distance it would only look like mildly modified car.
Thank you! Yes indeed, from a distance the ProCar looks so much like a normal 164 that it fooled us on that very day! I didn't know two cars were made, so when I saw the closed car beside the open one, I thought it was a standard 164 placed there for comparison!
I can only imagine why other carmakers shied away if they knew that Alfa Romeo was working on a ProCar. Alfa has had a long history of coming into a race and dominating if not the first years, then later. None of this was more obvious than in the late 90s.
I drove my friend's 164 whose engine had been ported. I wasn't a fan of the 164, but Uwe Baker at Omega Motorsports really knew how to work on these cars and had borne some beautiful 75/Milanos, mine included.
I don't think any automaker has ever scared off another from joining a race series. It really seems nobody other than Alfa cared about the Procar idea
Thank you for this
What I would give to see them bring one of them back to life and take it to Goodwood...
A shame that it was not to be but maybe a nice car to take to the Goodwood Festival of speed.😉
Indeed. The two cars are complete and, in theory, could be made to run... But I doubt the museum's curators will ever take that risk.
Santa Madona!
Cool video, i really like the style👍
Thank you!!! Glad you enjoyed it!
Thanks very much for this! Wonderful.
Glad you enjoyed it, thank you!
I worked on this car in 1988 at George Ray Coachworks, in Chessington, Green Lane, Surrey, England. Carbon fiber, my name is David Higgins.
Wow I very interesting. I didn’t know about these! I wonder if there’s a video out there with them driving and I want to hear the sound! Please keep the videos coming! They’re great!
Thank you!!! Luckily, there's some footage of the car running in period, here on TH-cam: th-cam.com/video/cQigN057dMw/w-d-xo.html
Very intriguing car. Thanks for sharing the history.
Glad you enjoyed it, thank you!!!
Great video. I had a 164 and loved it. It would have been thrilling to see the Pro Car version in competition.
Glad you liked it! Thank you!!!
Which 164 did you have?
@@Matteo_Licata I had a 91 164L, black with black interior. The rear seats were also adjustable. Loved the engine and the handling. I used it to instruct students in high performance driving at Willow Springs Raceway. The students used to crawl under the car to see that it was front wheel drive, it handled so neutrally they couldn't believe it wasn't rear wheel drive.
Fantastico video e auto! Sapevo della sua esistenza ma non della motoristica da F1. Bravo.
Grazie mille!!!
That was fascinating, What a shame that it or its engine never saw a race.
Thank you! Yes, it’s a pity that potential was never exploited
Viva Alfa Romeo!
Just like Nascar cars it probably worked best on ovals only, which there are very few outside the US.
I have been inside this car .in Amsterdam auto rai !back in 1989
That's cool!
My dad worked for Alfa Romeo
First comment 😊what a special car this 164 never saw something similar later 👍
Thank you! Glad you liked it!
An ordinary 164 was a stunning executive saloon in general and the racing version was just a one-off even though the Procar series folded before it commenced.
A wolf in gigolo's clothing.
I would love the 164 Procar and the Renault Espace F1 to run round a track together.Wonder if its been done?
I don't think so, because the 164s were already museum pieces by the time the Espace F1 was made
@@Matteo_Licata Shame,but we live in hope....
Too bad that championship didn't start, it would have been very spectacular.
Despite being an Alfista, I honestly find it hard to understand the myth that has been created for this car, which has never had the opportunity to compare itself with any other, transforming itself into a salon prototype, without however launching future references for the brand.
Wonderful. Do you know what the weight was?
About 750 kgs
@@fastcargtv6 That seems difficult to credit. A Stratos weighed 250 more kg than that. 750 kg is pretty good for an X1/9 modified massively for hill climb.
I don't know about the weight. I forgot to ask, sadly!
@@Matteo_Licata Thanks in any event for the response.
@@robertos4172 Just imagine, an F1 car of the era (on which it is based on) is about 540 kg minimum by the rules. And it includes everything except the driver and the fuel. More than 200 kgs for a few more carbon fibre body panels and a small section of steel chassis part at the driver's compartment is nothing unbelievable. 15 years earlier the Tipo 33 TT12 with 12-cylinder engine weight 670 kgs.
What a waste... You make a great design to dominate the racetrack and then nobody challenges you...
It is a pity we cannot hear the engine in the video...
There are clips of the car running on TH-cam.