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- The first time I put my elbow down it felt sketchy and I wasn't sure if I would be able to repeat it. I have been practicing in the same lot and trying to develop physical reports for myself to make it repeatable and more importantly, consistent and predictable. I am still not totally there yet, but this recorded session was a huge step in the right direction. By the end of this practice session I was able to decisively put my elbow down when and how I wanted, albeit still exaggerating a lot of the BP (which may be necessary at parking lot speeds). General lean angle (per the BMW) was 52 - 54 degrees, both sides.
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My bike fell over just looking at this.
😂
go faster then
@@bladeslayer it high sided this time.
I fell over just looking at it
I fell over in my chair watching this.
If I could do this I’d be unnecessarily dragging knee at every light 🤣😂
Lmfao😂😂😂
haha imagine
Until you hit some gravel or sand😂
How do you drag knee at a....light? Maybe I'm doing this wrong but typically this is done in corners and such right?
@@Solo6R left turn, right turn, U turn. Use your head. If your goal with your edited (twice) ass comment was to make me look like the idiot, you missed the target.
I appreciate that you showed broth right and left. Left is so much easier it seems.
it varies by person, most people I know have a stronger side
I can change i used to have trouble with right side when i started now right side is easier for me..
Maybe because of the sides that different controls are placed
I always dumbed it up to being afraid to low side into oncoming traffic, a lot worse than if you lose it turning left and you slide into a hedgerow
@@dddutton in my opinion, this is the only right explanation. Left side is a lot easier. At least for german roads, they are very narrow often, so you can barely lean at full angle in right turn without chopping your head off but most importantly, you can not ride right turns as fast as left turns since you have poor vision.
Knee dragging really helped me understand and feel comfortable with how far our bikes can be leaned.
Knee dragging is a great hack, it becomes a "feeler guage" for your lean angle. If just starting to touch can roll on throttle for more lean, especially in long corners.
They can lean a lot further than we have the balls to test, at first anyway :) It's pretty cool what bikes are capable of.
thanks to this tip i can lean more confidently in my sleep
Now that was funny.
This should be dedicated to all the people that say you gotta gain speed to drag knee! Speed does not improve riding, technique does!
Lowspeed maneuvering is arguably more difficult, it takes much more rider control and balance, where when going fast you're just keeping the bike within it's physical limitations and kinda "going with the flow" on what it's trying to naturally do with its momentum and physics. The NYPD has some cool lowspeed training videos on TH-cam from their motorbike units.
I tried doing this with my R6, dragged knee and shortly after that my bike slid away
I've been there, many times lol
Drag knee, then drag elbow, and finally drag face.
@@aluisious Final form - Ru Paul's Drag Race
your R6 probably does not have dynamic traction control like this bike
@Hosiery1 It has nothing to do with rider assisted controls, it has everything to do with bike setup and rider skill. If your bike isn't in alignment in any way, doesn't have appropriate and clean tyres, has improper suspension setup and is on a road surface that doesn't have enough contact surface due to too large a gap in a hard road surface, then you will slide regardless of your body position and smooth throttle control and warm weather conditions.
There's a reason sports halls are smooth and shoes for these events work best with minimal tread pattern, to maximise the friction from a near perfect contact patch, compared to running on a road where you would slide if you tried to stop at a full sprint in the same way.
I never thought of going full Rossi in a parking lot but that is kind of brilliant
Fuck that. I fell over watching this.
I have been working on dragging a knee around a 40ft diameter circle. Haven't touched yet but getting close! 👍
Straight to the point, great video thank you
I tend to drag the centre stand, the shower of sparks from the steel plates I have fitted can be spectacular.
holy shit man awsome stuff right there
Good driving skills
I think the last one at 0:23 was the perfect one :) I really want to get this practiced this summer.
About to do fast school up here in Ontario. Any parking lot exercises you would recommend pre track school to get comfortable for track?
The only thing I do is practicing leaning until I get my knee down and it feels comfortable. That way when you're on track you have a better idea of where your max lean is, and you can also increase your max lean by practicing in a parking lot.
Great riding man, do you practice (or used to practice) on pitbikes? personaly i think those bikes might really help getting the body positioning on point
This is awesome.
Nice, good job!
beautiful
So you say, this a good beginner exercise on my first bike the H2R?
definitely (:
It's all about a good and warm set of tires innit?
Even at 63 degree lean I still don't touch elbow
I think that depends on a lot of factors (mainly what angle the bike thinks it's at, 63 is really steep) but generally I agree. to do this in a parking lot means very exaggerated body position.
I got holes in my exhaust and primary chaincase cover from doing this on a Springer Softail.
Can someone please explain why exactly this is nessasary??
I feel like I can get those angles on my bike while sitting centered and not hanging off the side
With this body position at the same speed the bike will have much less lean angel than when you sit more near the center. On street use i always just lean the bike more in higher lean angle. No need for hanging out since speeds are relatively low. At circuits you want the bike to be upright more at high speeds in corners to maximize the grip, that is why on circuits you lean more, speeds simply go up till you cannot increase the lean angle any more before losing grip. Hence you lean to not increase the lean angle of the bike while still being able to increase speed
Curiosity here!
At such a high lean angle, is the bike just turning with momentum in the required gear or is there a minuscule amount of throttle?
Tl;dr During such high lean angle turn
Is the throttle 0% or 0.1-1% ??
to be transparent, i don't remember. here was my process -- 1st gear building speed, roll off quickly (to compress the front) while giving a hard input, then drop myself into the turn. based on the sounds i think i am on the throttle ever-so slightly except for the second one where you can hear the burbles. the burbles only occur when the throttle is fully shut after acceleration.
@@sunny7L new rider - what is a hard input?
@@MarshaIIs hard isn't the best word to use -- deliberate is more appropriate. sometimes i find that when i lean, just leaning off the bike provides some level of natural counter-steer. however when really trying to get the bike pitched over i found that i had to consciously push the inside handlebar to make the bike drop down with me to the level i wanted. that's what i meant by "hard" input.
@@sunny7L I see, so basically deliberately initiating a counter steer
And then you just release the throttle, complete the turn and gas up to get the bike straight right?
@@MarshaIIs yea exactly
Looks comfy 😂
i think i will do this some day. You just have to do what feels like extremely excessive body position. Really lean off the bike, at the right speed on the right corner and this is possible, probably even easy after you practice it a bit.
curves are literally one of the things Im scared of when it comes to my motorcycle license I wanna do once I turn 18 in about 2 years as my parents wont let me do a license with 16 but at the same time I wont let my fear take over I will still try my best and practice ig
any tips? :D
watch videos on how to practice before practicing (to avoid creating bad habits), don't be afraid of dropping your bike while practicing, and always record yourself so you can review and adjust for next time.
@@sunny7L okay thank you I'll try my best bro :D
If you'd like, he's a really good person to learn from. Lot's to learn from him, kinda repeats at times, but watching others close calls and having everything explaimed from somone as experienced as him is great for learning.
TH-cam: DanDanTheFireman
For me, I at first I pretended it was a normal peddle bike. I never went about 15mph the first day. Another thing, dont think about dropping the bike, everyone does and will, even MotoGP riders do. Always assume your not seen by drivers. Coming to an intersection, I always cover my brakes and clutch to be ready just incase, and its saved me. My dad had me ride up and down the street, and would throw little bendy cones in front of me at times to get me used to reacting to sudden changes. I started on a 2013 Honda CBR500 at 17. I currently have a 2016 Kasawaski Ninja ZX-6R 636 ABS KRT Edition, currently 23 years old. If you want, my Instagram is @6eas3ton6 , SnapChat, @eastonzx-6r . Happy to help and give advice, but please do watch the channel I linked as he is very good to learn from 🙏🏻
Motocontrol has some good videos
That’s how I be pulling into my driveway
You reckon a cbr600rr (pc37b) could do this too?
i think any bike that has a basic track day rear sets setup, decent tires, and a rider that's willing to take risks can do this. that being said, i haven't been successful yet on my 390. just have to be willing to crash a few times in the process.
Nicely done - on both sides as someone else commented! I feel like I’m close to elbow down, but not quite there yet - any advice much appreciated if possible! Thanks 👍
for elbow down in a parking lot it's about really exaggerating your body position -- at least it was for me. film yourself and see where you're at, and then make deliberate physical report changes until you can visually see your body position getting closer. that's all i did.
Nice one, appreciate the reply - hard to find space like that in the uk where I’m based so I’m stuck practicing on roundabouts which is obviously not the way to go, bloody dangerous, and not fair to other road users - so, I need to find some practice space, and dig out my go pro! Thanks again
And just one more thing - apologies if you mentioned already, but are you on road tyres? If so, which ones please? I’m using Pirelli Diablo Rosso corsas on my bike, good feel with the tyres, so should that be enough for elbow down?
@@ozgotsoul answering for him since i saw him reply on the comment right below yours: "i was on pirelli supercorsa sp3..."
Great stuff. What tires are you on, and have you tried figure 8s?
i was on pirelli supercorsa sp3 and i haven't tried figure 8s on that bike yet, but i have on my rc390 -- they're more difficult because you have to change direction so suddenly
Do you do anything to warm them up or jump straight in? Also do you mess with psi?
What helmet is that? I've never seen one with a second sun visor on the outside like that
it's an arai corsair x with a vas-v visor on it. it has an external sun visor so the helmet can keep its snell raiting (an internal sun visor compromises that). it gives me the option to run a clear or tinted visor whenever i want.
Can someone explain to me on a technical level hot do to this? I've tried, but i still can't get myself to be confident enaugh, i think i'm missing some technique tips
I didn't do anything special except film myself each time, review what I looked like vs. what it felt like, made more exaggerating changes, repeat. can't be afraid to slide your bike on the pavement though.
@@sunny7L hey thanks for the reply. I was talking more about the body position, weight distribution. I'm trying to be more confident on the bike but i keep sliding near the limit, as if tyres can't keep up but i think it's the technique i'm using that's not good enough
skills
hey! you think i can do this on a mt125 with road6 tires?
handlebars might make it awkward to get the elbow in the right spot but there's no harm in trying (as long as you don't mind dropping your bike). just have to go for it (:
@@sunny7L thank you, i would probaly have to use a screwdriver grip then? also, the only reason i can fall while doing this is either leaning to much or suddenly change of throttle right?
update, did it with an rc125, helt an elbow down for about 5 seconds@@sunny7L
Thats half the life of the engine right there.
Say what? It's barely revving
Who knows? That might be me some day..
believe me, if I can do it, anyone can... I don't have specialized skills or talent with bikes, I just practice
@@sunny7L 👍
Got my motorcycle license last year. 2 months in I got my knee down. A year later I'm dragging elbows
@@ferociouzmonkhow did you start practicing? 😅 silly question maybe, but I feel like I get so close but yet so far. That I’m not even sure what I’m doing is right 🙃
@@ferociouzmonkyea sure
Sick parking lot! I honestly feel it’s better to do this at a track. Those high lean angles require tires that are up to temp (hard to keep them warm in a lot) you could use warmers to overcome this though. I’m just thinking.
yes it's tough to keep them at temp and i get a lot of cold tearing when i do this, especially on the front tire. i do warm them up with about 5 minutes of hard braking and acceleration immediately before i do my runs, but it only mitigates rather than prevents. that being said, i'll do a couple runs on brand new tires but i'll do much longer sessions when the tire is at the end of its life (which these were).
@@sunny7Lhat temp do you aim at?? Do ypu check the temp with a temp pistol tp make sure you got them warm enough?
@@FirstLast-tx3yj at this point, i never had a temp i aimed at, nor did i check with any temperature gauge. i did a few minutes of hard acceleration and hard braking up and down, and then just got right to it (easing into the lean angle -- like 48, 50, 52, then 54).
What speed you have there?
And that is why you dont cheap out on tyres!
Your Visor is very cool, I want it
Arai vas-v is the visor system if you have a compatible model. I have the Corsair x.
Where did you get that blue chrome mini visor??
it's an arai visor; i have the arai corsair x and i put an arai vas-v pro shade system on it. the vas-v has this small sunshade that flips down. the color from the factory is a dark tint, but you can buy different finishes (like the chrome blue) if you want.
conclusion: he was cleaning the ground from dust
Very amazing. How fast do you think you were going?
maybe 20 to 30 mph. the faster you go, the more comfortable it is to lean over
@@sunny7L thank you much!
Tutorial please
Bro i feel like these roads in MN are way too slippery for that!
GET PITTED, SO PITTED!! ⚖
i'm closing this tab
I want to do this with my new $30k S1000RR, but my bank account keeps telling me no. Are you on street tires? What PSI?
yes, street tires pirelli supercorsa sp v3 I believe, and psi fpr both tires is around 35 here. I didnt check pressures though, but that's normally what I had them set around.
What tires? Thank you
pirelli Diablo super corsa sp v3, street tire
jesus, if that was 54 than how insane would 68 look if you saw it with that perspective in a parking lot 🤯
Wish i could kneedrag on my 16"-wheel 50cc scooter but the damn frame touches the ground first because of it's geometry :D
Conclusion: i got overtaken by some guy on a sports tourer one day, I accepted defeat.
how do you warm up your tires to stick even in low speeds? Or this was done after a high speed session? Props anyway!
@megamaster6 I just progressively lean more and more throughout a series of quick sessions. no high speed session before and I doubt my tires were at optimal operating temperatures, likely well under it when I did this
@@sunny7L tks bro, I never get confortable with grip on this kind of use, need to try harder
This is amazing! But wow you practised this from the start with an s1k? Why not practice with a smaller bike first? When the bike falls the damage is much cheaper too haha
I agree but the s1krr was the only bike I had at the time
@@sunny7L wow that's amazing. What tyres were you running! And was TCS on? Ive been wanting to do something like this at a carpark too!
@molarmassz ordinary tc (sport mode) but the bike comes with "cornering abs" so not sure how much that kicked in. tires were pirelli Diablo supercorsa spv3, their top tier street tire. no idea on the pressures, probably mid to high 30s
What gear are you in in this video?
hard to remember, but i think 1st. that or 2nd, certainly nothing higher
@@sunny7L ok cool, nice video!
Unfortunately this makes me want to try on my 1200RT :p
I did same on parking lot. My knee touched, lost balance and fell. Scraped my fucking bike ffs. Only on the bottom of fairing, so i fixed it with black marker and two stickers haha
all part of the process
Serious questions,
How do you know when the bike will slide? And if does start sliding, how do you collect the bike back from the slide?
Is there a preference about which one of the two wheels to start sliding first?
What do you do so that it's the preferable wheel that starts to slide first?
literally no idea on any of those things, sorry
@@sunny7L Okay, thanks for taking time to reply.
Those questions are relevant when one tries to ride at the limit of grip. MotoGP guys are pro at feeling just when the wheel will slide out.
This guy leans.
🏍👍
I’d have been dragging my body along the floor as I’d have fallen off !! Awesome 🥵🥵🥵
I've done it plenty of times lol, check out my other videos
@@sunny7L Wow just watched some 🥵🥵🥵👀👀👀👀
No chicken strips
Are you trailbraking at all here, or just leaning it?
no trail braking, just letting off the throttle at tip in so the engine braking slows and compresses the suspension slightly). not sure if that's right or wrong but typically when i practice this in a parking lot i'm not trail braking.
@@sunny7L OK good to know, thank you
Is this really hard or ?
i'm not particularly talented so i like to believe if i can do it, most people can so long as they put in the effort to practice.
What helmet is that?
@@KjKase Arai Corsair X with a Vas-V visor
@@sunny7L wow nice, thanks for the reply. The vas-v visor is pretty cool, I've never seen that before.
I tried this with my wife's Ninja 400, and I'm single now.
Pretty sick bud! what size tires you running?
the bike has the premium package forged wheels so, 120 / 70 R17 in the front and 200 / 55 R17 in the rear. pirelli's street tires diablo supercorsa sp-v3
@@sunny7L Very nice! Crazy possiblilities and skills.
Impressive! BP means body position? What do you mean by exaggerating, hanging both buttcheeks off? What was the speed approximately?
yes BP = body position. by exaggerating I mean I was really shoving my chest off the inside of the tank and reaching with the elbow, but I only have one cheek off the seat. speed was probably around 20 - 30 mph but i'm not sure
@@sunny7L cheers! Looks impressive, and you are not scared to lose the front on the white lines, once almost happened to me in the summer, that white paint was slippery, but it was properly painted also
No gravel in that parking lot whaaaatttt
Tried this on a F850GS.
Side note, my crash guards and barkbusters work.
@@EvLSpectre 🤣
@@sunny7L 45 degrees or so is at limit, but I think I hit that in a banked turn. Usually around 42ish I'm already touching and can feel the tire slipping. Adventure bike though, not what it's purpose is. Or the trailmax mission tires for that matter.
I do this with new tires to scuff them in at low speed
Yeah I'm not saying shit about a guy who has worn elbow sliders. You just keep doing you.
Wow, I wouldn’t have the balls to do that 👍🍻
If I was you instead,I'd just fall of it xd
His Mom and Dad made him stay in yard to long 😂
Supercorsa v3?
supercorsa v2
@@sunny7L ohh okay thanks... I'm practicing on my r3 with Rosso 3
@@rob5636 nice, I'll have a video up at some point of me practicing this on my rc390 with sc3s
@@sunny7L ohh okay brother love to see it
@@sunny7L sc3 are an amazing tire.
S1000RR has extremely nimble handling and it's super easy to lean the bike, it's almost effortless. R6, Panigale are super heavy and takes a mountain of effort to lean in comparison. Don't do it if you don't have S1000RR
@Denverian ive never ridden a panigale but ive ridden a few r6s and what you said is completely untrue, in my opinion. in my experience, r6 is even easier (and its definitely not heavier). the rr's electronics do help, though.
Awesome. Now go and win a race.
I don't race, just a hobbyist
@@sunny7L So, what's with the racing numbers?
@@mrmark8603 some of the orgs i ride with require numbers somewhere on your bike (identification purposes). i think in racing you have to have certain colors, sizing, positioning, etc. i just have them smattered across my front fairing lol
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Watch the Japanese motorcycle cops in action, just saying.... car parks are a good place to play.👍
You'd be much quicker if you concnetrated more on cornering speed and balance than hanging your arms and legs out far enough just to touch the road at 8mph.
If you’re elbow dragging to elbow drag, you’re doing it wrong.
pretty much he drag that his elbow a lot*
Test Comment, please ignore,
Never been low at such a slow speed, I imagine this takes some practice. I doubt I have ever had a knee down under 50 MPH or so as feels more stable with rotational speed in wheels.
I guess with proper bike protection I could practice this in parking lot (Not sure how to protect the pipe though??)
depending on your exhaust, you can get a slider on a hose clamp and attach that to the exhaust. that's what i have, made by W9.
wtf
If you need to drag elbow in a parking lot then you got serious confidence issues.
I thought he would park on his elbow a lot in this video
Slick tires ?
no these were pirellis street tires, supercorsoa v2 or v3
@@sunny7L thanks for quick reply, bro