Watched the whole thing start to finish, incredibly well informed and put together video, This was nice to listen to while grinding in TBC, Shaman main for life, followed by Pally and mage. thanks for this!
WotLK is the expansion where all the classes who weren't working got band aid changes to make them work, despite the mechanics of the class still not working properly. Cata then fixed those changes by changing the mechanics aswell. WotLK classes still feel clunky to play, as if the entire foundation is about to fall apart at any second, while Cata classes actually feel like they are supposed to work this way. The exception for this are the 2 best designed classes in WotLK, Paladin and Hunter, which ironically are the two classes that got completely changed going into Cata. The only classes that were better in WotLK, are the two that got complete redesigns in Cata, while every other class, who simply built and improved on their WotLK counterparts, are significantly better in Cata.
I'm prolly going to play a hunter. Maybe MM, maybe Surv, definitely a BM spec for soloing. Also considering shadow priest, enh shaman, ret paladin, unholy DK, arms warrior, or maybe a mage. Jfc I can't actually decide.
Yea I can't decided between a mage or a pally. I played mostly pally back when wrath came out and I would like to do that again but I also love my tbc mage
When Classic WOTLK comes out I might actually get back into WoW again after leaving a month into SL. I started WoW in WOTLK, this will definitely be a trip down memory road. Gonna see about getting a Druid/DK/Paladin setup of who I mained throughout the expansion all the way to BFA 🥰
@@ANTERIORcs I remember back in wrath getting two shot by many a beast mastery hunter lol. Survival is nearly impossible for melee to kill also. They can't even get to you. I really like survival personally in wotlk. It's a very original and fun spec.
Amazing content. Fantastic production. I am going to watch this a few dozen times before WOTLK comes out . Would love more videos like this . Thank you. 😊
I can’t believe i watched a 2 hours youtube video 😄 Thank you so much for this content, it was incredible usefull and nice to watch ! This 2 hours video saved me 10 hours or even more to check everything by myself 👏🏽 Thank you so much !!!
honestly, the removal of downranking spells makes me want to heal again. While I like the decision making of 'which spell do I use in this situation', down ranking is not only too min maxy, but it also feels bad to not even be able to use max ranks of spells.
As a main dk since day one, i def. will go back. I always held to dk, no matter what class came out, it won my hearth on day one and i never felt such a passion for a class.
Wrath was blizzard's pinnacle moment and probably one of the best mmo's even to this day you will play. A few words of warning to take as you will... 1. If you don't like messing with rune management, playing a DK is not all it's cracked up to be. He stated it in the video and it's a fact. DKs are also the epitome of "hard to master" and 3.35 was their nerfed state. I would highly suggest them as alts... but as a main... many people dropped them over the clunky rune system. 2. EMFH caused a lot of pvpers to reroll... then they regretted it. Unless ALL you are planning on doing is arena... I would not pick it and even then... if you are a creative pvper... some racials offer better offensive game play. 3. Do not "min/max" your professions. Pick professions that benefit your class and you can make at least some gold from. JC requires a mining alt and engineering is a straight up money sink. Consider ALL benefits you get from professions... even passive ones... and you will find that JC/ENG are good... but they are literally only very minimally better than professions that will put a money stream in your pocket along with other benefits. Don't be a sheep.
Great advice thank you! I was wondering about the rune management and wasn’t sure if it was incredibly hard to work with or if I just needed to watch more videos to understand how to min/max things.
I plan on taking tailoring or enchanting, then maybe rolling engineering if I roll alts that can make me money. I want northrend flying quickly, and I’m playing on a fresh server.
@@JamesLeeHughes I think that op meant that of you aren’t an insanely high-end raider, you don’t need it and should take something that can make you more money.
DKs aren't really that hard to master. The rune system is like the PoE talent tree, it looks daunting when you first try it, but once you get a couple of hours of gameplay in, it becomes really easy and obvious. Unholy is one of the easier PvE specs in WotLK, as it's one of the few that still has a completely static rotation with no procs or changes, only a strict order in which to use your spells. Frost is a bit more complicated, but it's still an easy priority system with 1 proc to react to. The hardest part about playing Frost is making sure you don't overcap Runic Power... Specs that are actually hard to master would be things like Shadow Priest, Demo/Aff Lock, Feral and Enhancement. All of those specs will have a MUCH bigger gap between good and mediocre players than any DK spec. This is all from a PvE perspective. As for professions: Engi is the cheapest profession to level up. You can buy all the mats from the AH without breaking the bank, and JC is a good moneymaker without Mining. Also, don't have Mining on your raiding main. It was like this in TBC aswell, where mains would have things like BS for the weapons, Enchaning/JC for the stat boosts or LW for the drums, but in WotLK, all crafting professions gets a noticeable stat boost compareable to the famous JC only big gems. Having a gathering profession on your main is just trolling at this point, and will remain so until crafting profession stat perks got removed in WoD or something.
I played in wrath, the mount level reduction didn’t happen until cata was about to launch. I consider that more of a cata change. I distinctly remember level 30 and 60 mounts for the whole expansion
@@boskimarian5917 they definitely should bring some things right at the start. Like dual specc. But also fishing tournament, Acc bound shoulder and head enchant, flying for alts and so on.
I like this, feels less biased then other guys who has been starting to pump WotlK classic videos and more "Here's the classes, what they do, pick one, have fun!" while still giving a great explanation about them.
@@vasilije94 That's not true. People said that for Vanilla, and again for TBC and the current proves the contrary. Again, you prove my point with your dumb theory.
@@Pulptenks i am literally playing wotlk for like 10 years now. You can even check my channel if you dont believe me. I never said you cant play some spec, but if you for some reason decide to play survival hunter, you probably wont get invited in 90% of raids. That is a fact. I also play assassination rogue at the end game raid, as you can see in my videos, but trust me, it takes for ages for someone to invite you to do heroic stuff as assass rogue. Now you do what you want, i play assassination for fun. But lets be real. Its fair to say people upfront to be careful.
@@Pulptenks It was totaly true what was said about memespecs before the classic launch they sucked and got carried by the rest of the raid . Thats why most people in good guilds didnt inv retadins or oomkins . The only untrue thing was said about warriors at the start of tbc . Nobody will bring a frostmage too the raid if they guy also could play good pve specs like arcan or fire .
@@skankhunt446 Geared ret paladin were not so rare. Especially around AQ. It can be a valuable asset, especially when played by someone good with clutch. Balance druids were pretty bad for long fight too. So was Elemental but at least an elemental could bring totem. So that had a pass go more often. I ain't the biggest fanatic of vanilla I find TBC more lenient. It's all I'm saying and wrath is even more even lenient. Because the reality most guild want to gear up quickly and try to spread the loot. Unlike private servers who played vanilla / tbc / wrath for last 10-12 years. Like Sunwell for example who has been a tbc server for 6 years.
youre really overselling the elemental shaman and the resto druid.. noone wants to bring them because other classes do exactly what they do, just better. balance is better than ele cos of innervate and ress and you have a resto shaman anyway for lust/hero and disc priest largely makes hots irrelevant and make more direct healing classes shine like resto shaman again and holy paladin.
I know this videos a lot of work, but I feel it really lacks showing any meaningful detail on how the specs will play in practice. I think commentary on how the TBC playstyle compares to Wrath and a basic overview of their rotation or gameplay would be pretty helpful rather then just reading talents and new spells without any real input on how it all comes together. :)
For 13 years i played Mage as main. In additional I had all other classes, but Mage was my prime. Then... ... DEMON HUNTERS COME :) DH is absolutly great wow character.
the only thing that i am interested in this server are realm first achievements thats all.. because this is the same as warmane, and wouldn't pay for the same contents and probably warmane is far way better than this server because its free to play. and play what you like thats all have a good day everyone.
Great video, but I got to say I am a bit disappointed in how critical you were (weren't of some stuff). Every class you presented was "great pick for WoTLK", every spec was "great pick for WoTLK". I expected a bit realistic and no-bullshit evaluation of some of these classes, there were very little weaknesses or cons you talked about, despite every class having them. But of course, still a great and useful video.
Fire mage, probably the most fun pvp class to play in all wrath. Nice spells like blast wave and dragon breath... Too bad they are squishy, if they had some sort of shield like ice barrier they would be much easier and better in pvp.
Forget enha shaman for serious pve and pvp, but now I can see some enha shamans on Warmane arena 2s. Forget survival hunter for endgame pve and pvp, same with bm hunter.
Playing on Warmane/Molten since 2009, still my favourite 3 classes: Hunter, Mage and Rogue. Really nice gameplay in pvp. Locks are also fun but harder to master.
I played pretty much every class and spec back in the day. Paladin and Death Knight tanks were ridiculous. I could easily solo heroic dungeons with them. Druid tanks are hilarious in that you can basically walk through a dungeon or a raid just mashing one button and it'll work. Definitely the simplest role when everybody is doing well. They're more fun to play when somebody messes up and you have to bring out your cool Druid utility spells.
An excellent video! Thank you for the detailed presentation of differences from TBC and for focusing on class/spec strong points, instead of nagging about which classes you won't be taking to raids!
PHD (Paladin/Hunter/DK) was literally the second best comp after RMP in arena in S5 and S8 if I remember correctly and was pretty good in S6 and S7 still so MM Hunter is definitely insanely good for Arena. Also very good in Duels
Decent video. Main criticism is that you say a version of "this is very very nice" to basically everything. This becomes extra apparent when listening at increased speed :P
@@Toyhouze hello and many thanks for this video You done amazing job.. but I would like to ask u something. Do u know if at the wotlk expansion can you change your profile player .?? For example if someone wanna change hair style etc to his player … can he do that at the wotlk expansion ?? Thank u for your time!!
considering we have heirlooms now I'm probably going to boost one toon and level two others atleast. Probably gonna level my Warlock and hunter and boost a shaman :D
combat rogue was pretty juicy too tho. I played that in original wrath. you could "one shot" people with good pve gear using kill spree lmao so much fun
Really fantastic video, well done. One complaint though, you really sold every single class during their introduction so I still have no idea what I want to play lol.
The best expansion is returning? I have to get back into WoW. This expansion was so good! And you could do anything you wanted if you were crafty enough. I off tanked princes with my enhancement shaman off spec. The highest dps lock I saw was a shadow bolt spamming affliction build. Blood DK was ment to tank but had an armor pen gem build that could top the dps charts with an 8 heartstrike spam combo. And lets not forget the best thing in the game, tree form. The raid fights were so unique and one of a kind. I got to live the dps life as a healer after entering the emerald dream. Forced to watch some of your friends die for the sake of downing the boss. You even get to raid vs another raid group of champions from the other faction!
@@Toyhouze i mained Resto Shammy PvE and Mage PvP. I always wanted to roll priest and played every healer but priest in Legion. So I guess Disc and Resto druid. Even though resto shaman was just soo good some fights with their big crits. Such a tough decision!
@@Toyhouze Also I was wondering if BCC characters would transfer over? I don't want to spend tge start of the expansion leveling from scratch if I can have a 70 ready to go.
Never played a melee…. Really want to dive in and play DK. Would ideally like to run frost (hate pet management with unholy). Kind of nervous about skill gap with it? Either way for sure going to give it a shot! Great vid!
I hope classic won't have this 3rd shadow dance action bar coming up. They could just make it switch to your stealth bar seamlessly as it does in retail pls 2:08:26 I saw this on p-servers and it feels and looks clunky. As you can see shadow dance does not GCD his other abilities and while the bar is moving I don't believe you can press these buttons until it is fully locked into place which is kinda weird.
I developed love/hate relationship with my enhancement shaman. WF procs sometimes like to troll me but when everything clicks together its so much satisfacion to deal great dmg and buff your party with totems and BL.
Can’t wait for it. I remember when Wrath first dropped, picking up a copy at a midnight release and playing until the following night, just leveling an unholy DK with my brother and friend. Such great memories.
Half way through WotLK is when I switched from Mage to Paladin main as my guild only had 1 paladin and he was prot. It was hard to recruit a holy as they were in high demand and after TBC a lot switched to other classes. My first raid every boss dropped plate healing gear, I went from leveling greens to every slot epic. From then on they became my favorite healer to play. Also can't wait for downranking to be removed. I started in WoW Closed Beta. Played most of Vanilla but quit for a few months in the middle was a high school kid. Played all of TBC and never did Sunwell as my guild said we got war glaives so we already beat the expansion and said see you in next expansion. Planning on doing Sunwell now. WotLK will be the first expansion that I did all content in without me looking to complete something I wish I did back in the day...
I was on a small server called Arathor, and we were Horde back then.. Outnumbered by a long shot. During wintergrasp we would go just to see this Ele shaman multiboxer. Loka Lokka Lokkka and Lokkkka would one shot like waves of alliance with chain lightning because we had that buff due to our lower numbers. It was insane we always had WG. So much fun back in the day.
Great video. You are one of the few guides that only has positives that makes me want to play each class and not feel like I should have chosen something else. You've earned a sub.
As a Tauren restoration druid in Wrath, I concentrated less on spellpower/Intellect and heavily on Spirit. I *never* ran out of mana as a healer, even with an occasional panic-heal. Innervate would be available before I ran out of mana every time, with a potion to top off mana as needed (I wouldn't need mana potions more often than the potion cooldown). Lather-rinse-repeat. The heal-per-second wasn't quite as high as those who were all about Spellpower (probably about 90% of optimum), but it was always there. Resto droods rocked. It was good to be a tree.
In the case of Wrath, it definitely can. Wrath private servers are accurate to retail, very active and the expansion meta has been perfected through Warmane’s most knowledgeable players. There’s likely not going to many surprises in Wrath Classic.
@@ac833 That doesn’t really make much sense - WoW isn’t a game that takes “skill” rather knowledge of a class and boss, class optimization and boss mechanics. You could say that classes became watered down in retail and gear/stat optimization became easier with more sources of loot and reforging of stats. Older iterations of the game required *way* more work in grinding levels, rep and raids for gear. If you wanted the best gear for your class, you had to often wait weeks for a single piece. 277 melee trinkets in wrath such DBW and STS are.. well.. good luck getting them. They’ll always be on reserve. but none of that really matters. WoW at a fundamental level has always been easy if you put a little effort in.
Holy priest on top, always. PoH healing is braindead overpowered. Even holy pala cant scale with that expecially for infest outheal. Bam circle of light + prayer of mending, bam prayer of healing. No other class can remove infest damage as fast as holy priest. Shamans can be skipped as healer even doe the mana tide totem is undeniably reliable. One of each healers is best in slot, one holy pala, one resto druid, one disc priest, one holy priest, one resto shaman. Almost every formation of dps can be carried like this as long as every important dps buff is provided. Im a fan of demo warlocks for spellpower provide but wrath totem when glyphed is simply better. Near bis gear arms warrior is simply better than feral druid. Enha shamans are awesome but they can also be skipped with another frost dk dps, they have better cleave in both single target and multi target dps and damage done.
IF anyone can answe me, which gear is better for BG's and open world pvp - the one which u get from playing tons of BGs or the one u get from raids ??? I dont like PvE prefer only pvp, but want to have best gear since i play boomkin and if ungeared warriors just 1 shot you lol
i see hunter specs seem seems to be just fill all in a talent tree - blizzard removed the funpart to be a hunter gettting ablities in the wild and the joke of levelling a pet -One can kill 3 mobs and get a full xp bar for the pet - which point to late wotkl were caters to guilds only and to to the playexperince -One cant trust a corporate firm like blizzard to deliver solo player fun - its just monotone bs and mobs cant do damage or even pull of thier abilites just much like in retail wow - thie mothers must be proud and you have to make money to pay the rant said the pimp to her subject it seems
I don’t even know why I’m watching this video. I already know I’m going to play dk since that’s what I played when I was kid. But super informative and interesting video and it’s fun to see the appeals of the other classes
You want to actually explain why these new talents are good? Sorry but sounds like you're just reading tooltips which any player with at least half a brain can do themselves in game or on a talent calculator. There is no depth to the explination of any talent.
if you are new and don't have a direction yet, let me introduce you mage supreme class which have 10 time that much armor than regular mage, manage all elemental at once, twist the circle of life and death with shisha sosei magik card, and yet people call him the shaman
Wotlk was the best time for priest imo. Disc priest is an absolute monster in pvp and holy was top tier in pve. Shadow got a nice quality of life buff. Can’t wait to relive it.
@@FarkasfaROCK well, that’s true actually. I’ve never played holy ever so so was just going by what I saw. There was a holy priest in almost every raid I was in. Maybe just for the dispels 🤷♂️ disc is crazy good though. Hit Glad with it.
@@Cardan011 that doesnt mean they r the top healer classes because u good with them, and facts they r just support healers, druid jobs on 25 mans blanket healing priest job is tossing shields and u dont want more then one of each, and yeah on some fights u r favored and u can beat paladins and shamans who r the absolut top healers of the xpack
no holy priest not top tier at all... disco is top tier in PVE but raid can have just 1 of them so the other 4healers is - 2x hpal(coz hes most OP if we ignore disco), 1x Rdruid, 1xRsham/1xHPriest(u chose 1 of them) but ppl mostly chose rsham coz hpriest is prob hardest healer in pve ..... if everyone plays equally disco priest should have 80% of time the best absorb/healing unless other healer has valanyr (disco should never get valanyr)
Tomorrow is the new season on Frostmourne realm, Warmane server and I will probably start to level mage or hunter. For you guys, good luck and have fun when it gets released, hope that it will last. For me, I wont give a cent to this company. WOW and WC3 is in the poor state, hope that Microsoft will bring some good changes.
Realyy huge video m8 u done a great job👌👌a lot of really good new stuff in wotlk but i hope blizz will make the content harder and mehanics harder like 5% -10% more dmg and hp on raids norm n hc and also change the talenf auras from passive to proccs like they were early in original wrath👌👌
Watched the whole thing start to finish, incredibly well informed and put together video, This was nice to listen to while grinding in TBC, Shaman main for life, followed by Pally and mage. thanks for this!
The worse part about wrath is all classes feel sooo good to play you cant choose, class identity at it peak imo
simple... play them all!
Had 5 characters back in the day, they're all great.
WotLK is the expansion where all the classes who weren't working got band aid changes to make them work, despite the mechanics of the class still not working properly.
Cata then fixed those changes by changing the mechanics aswell. WotLK classes still feel clunky to play, as if the entire foundation is about to fall apart at any second, while Cata classes actually feel like they are supposed to work this way.
The exception for this are the 2 best designed classes in WotLK, Paladin and Hunter, which ironically are the two classes that got completely changed going into Cata. The only classes that were better in WotLK, are the two that got complete redesigns in Cata, while every other class, who simply built and improved on their WotLK counterparts, are significantly better in Cata.
I'm prolly going to play a hunter. Maybe MM, maybe Surv, definitely a BM spec for soloing. Also considering shadow priest, enh shaman, ret paladin, unholy DK, arms warrior, or maybe a mage. Jfc I can't actually decide.
Yea I can't decided between a mage or a pally. I played mostly pally back when wrath came out and I would like to do that again but I also love my tbc mage
When Classic WOTLK comes out I might actually get back into WoW again after leaving a month into SL. I started WoW in WOTLK, this will definitely be a trip down memory road. Gonna see about getting a Druid/DK/Paladin setup of who I mained throughout the expansion all the way to BFA 🥰
After SL, Dragonflight was a breath of fresh air! I have tempered, but hopefully high hopes for War Within
Anyone that does a quality 2 hours video deserves a big thumbs up, respect man!
Timestamps:
4:31 Paladin
19:16 Druid
32:33 Warrior
43:56 Hunter
58:13 Shaman
1:13:11 Warlock
1:29:24 Death Knight
1:44:41 Priest
2:00:11 Rogue
2:09:36 Mage
Tyvm
Doing the Lords work my friend
Bro, you deserve a place in the skies, ty so much
@@okkj1878 Doing his job for him
hope blizzard changes Heirloms so they wont destroy low lvl PvP again
This is a really well written and edited video. Thank you for making this !
Thank you, glad you enjoyed it!
WOTLK really does feel like the peak point of WoW. Can't wait to progress the hunter that I started in Classic into WOTLK
It really does!
@@Toyhouze Hi, maybe you have a website with a guide to the paladina?
Hunter is gonna be so fucking fun in WoTLK. Can't wait!
@@ANTERIORcs can confirm, hunter is a blast
@@ANTERIORcs I remember back in wrath getting two shot by many a beast mastery hunter lol. Survival is nearly impossible for melee to kill also. They can't even get to you. I really like survival personally in wotlk. It's a very original and fun spec.
Listening to this while Playing TBC Classic. Got a peaceful tone with it. Big thumbs up.
2 hours, 20 minutes, 33 seconds. You already know I'm watching all of it.
Heck yeah brother
hope blizzard changes Heirloms so they wont destroy low lvl PvP again
@@GamingDualities dunno I'm addicted anyway not much I can do 😂
Amazing content. Fantastic production. I am going to watch this a few dozen times before WOTLK comes out . Would love more videos like this . Thank you. 😊
Timers please...
I can’t believe i watched a 2 hours youtube video 😄 Thank you so much for this content, it was incredible usefull and nice to watch !
This 2 hours video saved me 10 hours or even more to check everything by myself 👏🏽 Thank you so much !!!
I'm so glad you enjoyed it! Thanks for leaving such an awesome comment. :)
This is the best wow video I've ever watched. Well made 👏
honestly, the removal of downranking spells makes me want to heal again. While I like the decision making of 'which spell do I use in this situation', down ranking is not only too min maxy, but it also feels bad to not even be able to use max ranks of spells.
As a main dk since day one, i def. will go back.
I always held to dk, no matter what class came out, it won my hearth on day one and i never felt such a passion for a class.
Man, choosing a class in Wotlk is rough. I love playing Retri, but Shaman, Hunter and Druid looking so fun too damn.
So much voice clipping... cant listen to it
Wrath was blizzard's pinnacle moment and probably one of the best mmo's even to this day you will play. A few words of warning to take as you will... 1. If you don't like messing with rune management, playing a DK is not all it's cracked up to be. He stated it in the video and it's a fact. DKs are also the epitome of "hard to master" and 3.35 was their nerfed state. I would highly suggest them as alts... but as a main... many people dropped them over the clunky rune system. 2. EMFH caused a lot of pvpers to reroll... then they regretted it. Unless ALL you are planning on doing is arena... I would not pick it and even then... if you are a creative pvper... some racials offer better offensive game play. 3. Do not "min/max" your professions. Pick professions that benefit your class and you can make at least some gold from. JC requires a mining alt and engineering is a straight up money sink. Consider ALL benefits you get from professions... even passive ones... and you will find that JC/ENG are good... but they are literally only very minimally better than professions that will put a money stream in your pocket along with other benefits. Don't be a sheep.
umm... Eng/Jc Is literaly BIS for going for LOD
Great advice thank you! I was wondering about the rune management and wasn’t sure if it was incredibly hard to work with or if I just needed to watch more videos to understand how to min/max things.
I plan on taking tailoring or enchanting, then maybe rolling engineering if I roll alts that can make me money. I want northrend flying quickly, and I’m playing on a fresh server.
@@JamesLeeHughes I think that op meant that of you aren’t an insanely high-end raider, you don’t need it and should take something that can make you more money.
DKs aren't really that hard to master. The rune system is like the PoE talent tree, it looks daunting when you first try it, but once you get a couple of hours of gameplay in, it becomes really easy and obvious. Unholy is one of the easier PvE specs in WotLK, as it's one of the few that still has a completely static rotation with no procs or changes, only a strict order in which to use your spells. Frost is a bit more complicated, but it's still an easy priority system with 1 proc to react to. The hardest part about playing Frost is making sure you don't overcap Runic Power...
Specs that are actually hard to master would be things like Shadow Priest, Demo/Aff Lock, Feral and Enhancement. All of those specs will have a MUCH bigger gap between good and mediocre players than any DK spec. This is all from a PvE perspective.
As for professions: Engi is the cheapest profession to level up. You can buy all the mats from the AH without breaking the bank, and JC is a good moneymaker without Mining. Also, don't have Mining on your raiding main. It was like this in TBC aswell, where mains would have things like BS for the weapons, Enchaning/JC for the stat boosts or LW for the drums, but in WotLK, all crafting professions gets a noticeable stat boost compareable to the famous JC only big gems. Having a gathering profession on your main is just trolling at this point, and will remain so until crafting profession stat perks got removed in WoD or something.
I played in wrath, the mount level reduction didn’t happen until cata was about to launch. I consider that more of a cata change. I distinctly remember level 30 and 60 mounts for the whole expansion
You're right, riding was changed to 20/40 in patch 3.2. A little over a year before Cataclysm was released.
Exactly. Was in wrath, but relatively late. Wasn't dual specc also 3.1 or later?
@@RoxxSerm yea, i think that was ulduar patch
@@boskimarian5917 they definitely should bring some things right at the start. Like dual specc. But also fishing tournament, Acc bound shoulder and head enchant, flying for alts and so on.
@@RoxxSerm i agree with the dual spec, but i haven't played that much of wotlk to make my opinion about the rest
I like this, feels less biased then other guys who has been starting to pump WotlK classic videos and more "Here's the classes, what they do, pick one, have fun!" while still giving a great explanation about them.
Well some class specs won't be played or to be specific, won't be invited as much. That is reality of any WoW period and expansion.
@@vasilije94 That's not true. People said that for Vanilla, and again for TBC and the current proves the contrary. Again, you prove my point with your dumb theory.
@@Pulptenks i am literally playing wotlk for like 10 years now. You can even check my channel if you dont believe me. I never said you cant play some spec, but if you for some reason decide to play survival hunter, you probably wont get invited in 90% of raids. That is a fact. I also play assassination rogue at the end game raid, as you can see in my videos, but trust me, it takes for ages for someone to invite you to do heroic stuff as assass rogue. Now you do what you want, i play assassination for fun. But lets be real. Its fair to say people upfront to be careful.
@@Pulptenks It was totaly true what was said about memespecs before the classic launch they sucked and got carried by the rest of the raid . Thats why most people in good guilds didnt inv retadins or oomkins . The only untrue thing was said about warriors at the start of tbc .
Nobody will bring a frostmage too the raid if they guy also could play good pve specs like arcan or fire .
@@skankhunt446 Geared ret paladin were not so rare. Especially around AQ. It can be a valuable asset, especially when played by someone good with clutch.
Balance druids were pretty bad for long fight too. So was Elemental but at least an elemental could bring totem. So that had a pass go more often.
I ain't the biggest fanatic of vanilla I find TBC more lenient. It's all I'm saying and wrath is even more even lenient.
Because the reality most guild want to gear up quickly and try to spread the loot.
Unlike private servers who played vanilla / tbc / wrath for last 10-12 years. Like Sunwell for example who has been a tbc server for 6 years.
youre really overselling the elemental shaman and the resto druid.. noone wants to bring them because other classes do exactly what they do, just better. balance is better than ele cos of innervate and ress and you have a resto shaman anyway for lust/hero and disc priest largely makes hots irrelevant and make more direct healing classes shine like resto shaman again and holy paladin.
Ele Shaman is really good in PvP though!
Excellent video my man more fuel for the Wrath hype train baby
Soon we will need guides how to turn PC on and technical devices to monitor players and ensure they succeed to follow instructions.
Didnt the red haired person during the interview for the Dragon expansion say that Dungeon finder is going bye-bye
Yeah it is! They're making a new LFG tool though
I know this videos a lot of work, but I feel it really lacks showing any meaningful detail on how the specs will play in practice. I think commentary on how the TBC playstyle compares to Wrath and a basic overview of their rotation or gameplay would be pretty helpful rather then just reading talents and new spells without any real input on how it all comes together. :)
Thanks for the feedback brother
Thanks for the feedback brother
For 13 years i played Mage as main. In additional I had all other classes, but Mage was my prime.
Then...
... DEMON HUNTERS COME :)
DH is absolutly great wow character.
I can’t wait to be a melee warrior again. Class fantasy is at its peak and content is at its highest in WOTLK I can’t wait
Were you playing a ranged warrior?
the only thing that i am interested in this server are realm first achievements thats all.. because this is the same as warmane, and wouldn't pay for the same contents and probably warmane is far way better than this server because its free to play. and play what you like thats all have a good day everyone.
Yeah i may try warmane especially since its free, and decide whether i want to play actual wotlk classic
Great video, but I got to say I am a bit disappointed in how critical you were (weren't of some stuff). Every class you presented was "great pick for WoTLK", every spec was "great pick for WoTLK". I expected a bit realistic and no-bullshit evaluation of some of these classes, there were very little weaknesses or cons you talked about, despite every class having them. But of course, still a great and useful video.
Surv hunter in Wotlk is one of the most fun specs in wow ever to me
100 agreed, I freaking loved survival in wotlk, I miss that spec so much
Thank you for making such a good video
I would play this just to experience Frost tanking again. Frost tanking was the best! They need to bring it back!!
Fire mage, probably the most fun pvp class to play in all wrath. Nice spells like blast wave and dragon breath... Too bad they are squishy, if they had some sort of shield like ice barrier they would be much easier and better in pvp.
Destruction lock way cooler
Forget enha shaman for serious pve and pvp, but now I can see some enha shamans on Warmane arena 2s.
Forget survival hunter for endgame pve and pvp, same with bm hunter.
Playing on Warmane/Molten since 2009, still my favourite 3 classes: Hunter, Mage and Rogue. Really nice gameplay in pvp. Locks are also fun but harder to master.
So you have been playing wrath for that long?
@@anthonyzarfati3579 Yes, and Im still playing from time to time.
Making a 2 hour video without chapters should be illegal lol
lol using all the epic music without copyrights is skill in itself
Heirlooms destroyed low lvl PvP. anybody that didn't have them (any1 that didn't have max lvl character) was basically gimped in PvP.
I’m just going to pick a class that isn’t played much, ideally a healer or tank, to get into groups when I need to.
Excellent idea sir!
Upvoted the video due to being informative but specifically you picking places near animals when you talked about aspects, awesome editing man.
Thank you man, I'm glad you liked that part :)
Mate you put all class in one video...i bow before your effort you truly deserve minimum 200k subs
I played pretty much every class and spec back in the day. Paladin and Death Knight tanks were ridiculous. I could easily solo heroic dungeons with them.
Druid tanks are hilarious in that you can basically walk through a dungeon or a raid just mashing one button and it'll work. Definitely the simplest role when everybody is doing well. They're more fun to play when somebody messes up and you have to bring out your cool Druid utility spells.
very nice guide! but now i wanna play all of the classes ^^
haha thank you! Same here :D
An excellent video! Thank you for the detailed presentation of differences from TBC and for focusing on class/spec strong points, instead of nagging about which classes you won't be taking to raids!
Glad you enjoyed it! :)
PHD (Paladin/Hunter/DK) was literally the second best comp after RMP in arena in S5 and S8 if I remember correctly and was pretty good in S6 and S7 still so MM Hunter is definitely insanely good for Arena. Also very good in Duels
The pvp sets In Wrath we're ugly imo. It's all about that T10 for me as a Dk, Warrior, and Hunter and priest T8, Dk T8 FTW! My favorite Wrath sets.
Yes 100% agree. Love those sets
Decent video. Main criticism is that you say a version of "this is very very nice" to basically everything. This becomes extra apparent when listening at increased speed :P
This is a top notch and nicely edited video. I didn’t think I’d visit more than once, but I’m on my third rewatch already. Great work.
I didn’t know what to play for Wrath. I watched it all. Now i wanna play all classes. Thanks Toyhouze! :P
Haha no problem xD
@@Toyhouze hello and many thanks for this video You done amazing job.. but I would like to ask u something. Do u know if at the wotlk expansion can you change your profile player .?? For example if someone wanna change hair style etc to his player … can he do that at the wotlk expansion ??
Thank u for your time!!
@@Texas_Sel yes the barber was added in wotlk
considering we have heirlooms now I'm probably going to boost one toon and level two others atleast. Probably gonna level my Warlock and hunter and boost a shaman :D
combat rogue was pretty juicy too tho. I played that in original wrath. you could "one shot" people with good pve gear using kill spree lmao so much fun
Really fantastic video, well done. One complaint though, you really sold every single class during their introduction so I still have no idea what I want to play lol.
im 32 years old, I played wrath already, but still watching this video makes me all fuzzy inside
I just hope they faction balance servers. That will be the deciding factor of if I play wrath classic or not. It is why I quit tbc classic.
no worries humans get so good racial that plenty of horde players will move to ally to play pvp
For PvP most will go as human because of their racial. As for PvE, Horde is superior because of their racials, especially troll and orc.
Just pick paladin
Fell in love with my arcan mage in tbc. Fire might be better but I still will play it in wotlk
Nice man, great choice
every youtube trying to get on WOTLK hype content train I see xd
The best expansion is returning? I have to get back into WoW. This expansion was so good! And you could do anything you wanted if you were crafty enough.
I off tanked princes with my enhancement shaman off spec. The highest dps lock I saw was a shadow bolt spamming affliction build. Blood DK was ment to tank but had an armor pen gem build that could top the dps charts with an 8 heartstrike spam combo. And lets not forget the best thing in the game, tree form.
The raid fights were so unique and one of a kind. I got to live the dps life as a healer after entering the emerald dream. Forced to watch some of your friends die for the sake of downing the boss. You even get to raid vs another raid group of champions from the other faction!
It really is the best expansion :) Just reading this got me more hyped!!! What class are you going to play?
@@Toyhouze i mained Resto Shammy PvE and Mage PvP. I always wanted to roll priest and played every healer but priest in Legion. So I guess Disc and Resto druid. Even though resto shaman was just soo good some fights with their big crits.
Such a tough decision!
@@Toyhouze Also I was wondering if BCC characters would transfer over? I don't want to spend tge start of the expansion leveling from scratch if I can have a 70 ready to go.
nice video, but I have labyrinthitis so when you do those weird effects my head spins
Oh jeez sorry about that!
Never played a melee…. Really want to dive in and play DK. Would ideally like to run frost (hate pet management with unholy). Kind of nervous about skill gap with it? Either way for sure going to give it a shot! Great vid!
I hope classic won't have this 3rd shadow dance action bar coming up. They could just make it switch to your stealth bar seamlessly as it does in retail pls 2:08:26 I saw this on p-servers and it feels and looks clunky. As you can see shadow dance does not GCD his other abilities and while the bar is moving I don't believe you can press these buttons until it is fully locked into place which is kinda weird.
Yeah it threw me off big time!
What an absolutely amazing video! Thank you man, really hyping me up for wrath
Glad you enjoyed it :)
I developed love/hate relationship with my enhancement shaman. WF procs sometimes like to troll me but when everything clicks together its so much satisfacion to deal great dmg and buff your party with totems and BL.
Can’t wait for it. I remember when Wrath first dropped, picking up a copy at a midnight release and playing until the following night, just leveling an unholy DK with my brother and friend. Such great memories.
That's awesome man, I can't wait too!
2:05:55 thanks for adding my clip to your video
noob
Mage 100%
So all u did here was combine all the videos you already posted
Hey got to do what you got to do content is content
I'm gonna roll Retribution Pally and feel like a champ
Half way through WotLK is when I switched from Mage to Paladin main as my guild only had 1 paladin and he was prot. It was hard to recruit a holy as they were in high demand and after TBC a lot switched to other classes. My first raid every boss dropped plate healing gear, I went from leveling greens to every slot epic. From then on they became my favorite healer to play. Also can't wait for downranking to be removed.
I started in WoW Closed Beta. Played most of Vanilla but quit for a few months in the middle was a high school kid. Played all of TBC and never did Sunwell as my guild said we got war glaives so we already beat the expansion and said see you in next expansion. Planning on doing Sunwell now. WotLK will be the first expansion that I did all content in without me looking to complete something I wish I did back in the day...
I was on a small server called Arathor, and we were Horde back then.. Outnumbered by a long shot. During wintergrasp we would go just to see this Ele shaman multiboxer. Loka Lokka Lokkka and Lokkkka would one shot like waves of alliance with chain lightning because we had that buff due to our lower numbers. It was insane we always had WG. So much fun back in the day.
Hilarious, I’m still playing on Arathor from since wotlk 😂
I remember looking up to the Halcyon raiding guild on Arathor Alliance :) Good times
I was in Crusaders of Honor during that time, Mystical Odour now. Good memories!
Yeah I remember Halcyon. I was in the #2 raiding guild at the time, I don’t remember the name now. Halcyon were a big leap ahead of us though
@@speeddemon941 it was so long ago, I was in Legacy and Blood Pack of Azeroth for a while. Didn't do many heroic modes, but it was a lot of fun.
I’m still watching the ads before the video, but man that’s a long video just to tell me to play DK
You made every class seem dope its gonna be hard to choose.
Good video! MadSeason vibes
please tell them to stop updating at WOTLK. i dont wanna go into cata again :(
Great video. You are one of the few guides that only has positives that makes me want to play each class and not feel like I should have chosen something else. You've earned a sub.
Wow thanks so much man, welcome to the team :)
Just wait for cata classic and no one buys it.
Time stamps would be great
Please keep the expansions seperate this time so we can stay where we want to be in the timeline.
that's why I've been playing just wotlk for 13 years, on a private server
I expect that when not madseason will do a class guide for wotlk some one else will do good video mate
As a Tauren restoration druid in Wrath, I concentrated less on spellpower/Intellect and heavily on Spirit. I *never* ran out of mana as a healer, even with an occasional panic-heal. Innervate would be available before I ran out of mana every time, with a potion to top off mana as needed (I wouldn't need mana potions more often than the potion cooldown). Lather-rinse-repeat. The heal-per-second wasn't quite as high as those who were all about Spellpower (probably about 90% of optimum), but it was always there.
Resto droods rocked. It was good to be a tree.
It's going to be interesting to see which classes/specs will be in demand. If we've learned anything it's that private server data can't be trusted.
In the case of Wrath, it definitely can. Wrath private servers are accurate to retail, very active and the expansion meta has been perfected through Warmane’s most knowledgeable players.
There’s likely not going to many surprises in Wrath Classic.
@@brandonkruse6412 so were tbcs for thr most part but the players themselves are trash
@@ac833 tbc private servers have always been dead, less active players means less data we have to pull from.
@@brandonkruse6412 and lower skilled than their retail counterparts
@@ac833
That doesn’t really make much sense - WoW isn’t a game that takes “skill” rather knowledge of a class and boss, class optimization and boss mechanics. You could say that classes became watered down in retail and gear/stat optimization became easier with more sources of loot and reforging of stats.
Older iterations of the game required *way* more work in grinding levels, rep and raids for gear. If you wanted the best gear for your class, you had to often wait weeks for a single piece.
277 melee trinkets in wrath such DBW and STS are.. well.. good luck getting them. They’ll always be on reserve.
but none of that really matters. WoW at a fundamental level has always been easy if you put a little effort in.
Holy priest on top, always. PoH healing is braindead overpowered. Even holy pala cant scale with that expecially for infest outheal. Bam circle of light + prayer of mending, bam prayer of healing. No other class can remove infest damage as fast as holy priest. Shamans can be skipped as healer even doe the mana tide totem is undeniably reliable. One of each healers is best in slot, one holy pala, one resto druid, one disc priest, one holy priest, one resto shaman. Almost every formation of dps can be carried like this as long as every important dps buff is provided. Im a fan of demo warlocks for spellpower provide but wrath totem when glyphed is simply better. Near bis gear arms warrior is simply better than feral druid. Enha shamans are awesome but they can also be skipped with another frost dk dps, they have better cleave in both single target and multi target dps and damage done.
Storm Peaks.... the bane of my existence. So much Time Lost... so many blue Proto Drakes killed.
But still don't own Time Lost Proto Drake.. :')
IF anyone can answe me, which gear is better for BG's and open world pvp - the one which u get from playing tons of BGs or the one u get from raids ??? I dont like PvE prefer only pvp, but want to have best gear since i play boomkin and if ungeared warriors just 1 shot you lol
Good vid lots of information, would loved to have seen every classes rotations though
I'll be playing a hunter, warrior, paladin, warlock, priest, mage, dk, shaman, and rogue
Same I’m gonna play all
Good stuff, look forward to more of your videos!
ooOoo TOYHOUZE! loving the new style!! brilliant stuff
i see hunter specs seem seems to be just fill all in a talent tree - blizzard removed the funpart to be a hunter gettting ablities in the wild and the joke of levelling a pet -One can kill 3 mobs and get a full xp bar for the pet - which point to late wotkl were caters to guilds only and to to the playexperince -One cant trust a corporate firm like blizzard to deliver solo player fun - its just monotone bs and mobs cant do damage or even pull of thier abilites just much like in retail wow - thie mothers must be proud and you have to make money to pay the rant said the pimp to her subject it seems
Played Warrior since 2006.
Played Warrior in Classic.
Play Warrior in TBC.
so.... Warrior in WotLK and then the Journey is over!
I don’t even know why I’m watching this video. I already know I’m going to play dk since that’s what I played when I was kid. But super informative and interesting video and it’s fun to see the appeals of the other classes
Great Video! Well Done!
Turns out they only went up to average dps in ICC. Only gets worse from here, abandon before cata, its the worst class
You want to actually explain why these new talents are good? Sorry but sounds like you're just reading tooltips which any player with at least half a brain can do themselves in game or on a talent calculator. There is no depth to the explination of any talent.
Best Video 😉
if you are new and don't have a direction yet, let me introduce you mage supreme class which have 10 time that much armor than regular mage, manage all elemental at once, twist the circle of life and death with shisha sosei magik card, and yet people call him the shaman
Wotlk was the best time for priest imo. Disc priest is an absolute monster in pvp and holy was top tier in pve. Shadow got a nice quality of life buff. Can’t wait to relive it.
holy top tier in pve not rly, priests and druids are mostly just support healers in wrath
@@FarkasfaROCK well, that’s true actually. I’ve never played holy ever so so was just going by what I saw. There was a holy priest in almost every raid I was in. Maybe just for the dispels 🤷♂️ disc is crazy good though. Hit Glad with it.
I had both resto druid and holy priest, on my druid I would smoke everyone in healing it wasn’t even close.
@@Cardan011 that doesnt mean they r the top healer classes because u good with them, and facts they r just support healers, druid jobs on 25 mans blanket healing priest job is tossing shields and u dont want more then one of each, and yeah on some fights u r favored and u can beat paladins and shamans who r the absolut top healers of the xpack
no holy priest not top tier at all... disco is top tier in PVE but raid can have just 1 of them so the other 4healers is - 2x hpal(coz hes most OP if we ignore disco), 1x Rdruid, 1xRsham/1xHPriest(u chose 1 of them) but ppl mostly chose rsham coz hpriest is prob hardest healer in pve ..... if everyone plays equally disco priest should have 80% of time the best absorb/healing unless other healer has valanyr (disco should never get valanyr)
"niche" - pronounced like nEESH.
Not niTCH
Until next time friends!!
Tomorrow is the new season on Frostmourne realm, Warmane server and I will probably start to level mage or hunter. For you guys, good luck and have fun when it gets released, hope that it will last. For me, I wont give a cent to this company. WOW and WC3 is in the poor state, hope that Microsoft will bring some good changes.
sham is the way
one change id love to see for wrath would be RBGs
We don’t even get RDF in wotlk classic, what is blizzard doing...
Realyy huge video m8 u done a great job👌👌a lot of really good new stuff in wotlk but i hope blizz will make the content harder and mehanics harder like 5% -10% more dmg and hp on raids norm n hc and also change the talenf auras from passive to proccs like they were early in original wrath👌👌