Awesome review, thank you! I never considered how quiet .22 RF ammo could be. You have convinced me, to abandon my research and investment into air rifles. I already own a .22 RF, but for the price of a pellet rifle setup - I can buy a dedicated, scoped bolt action .22 and lots of CB ammo!
Interesting I shoot pellet rifles and .22 cal I have to say I never heard of a CB round before I watched this. I like the pellets over my .22 because I can go out in my backyard and shoot without bothering the neighbors, also I enjoy small game hunting with my .177 mainly because you are forced to make a better shot. I have had to pass up many shots with my pellet Rifle that I would have taken without a second thought with my Ruger 10/22. Glad you posted this and that I watched it, I learned something new.
An interesting comparison, but .22 caliber airguns would have been more appropriate for such a test. I once had an Anschütz 1416 .22 caliber rifle equipped with a sound moderator: shooting CB caps produced almost zero noise, maybe just a slight higher pitched "blowing" sound. Accuracy was amazing too. That said, a gas ram piston operated air rifle equipped with a sound moderator is incredibly quiet too, as there is no vibration of a kind encountered in spring piston air rifles. in terms of accuracy, some air rifles such as the Weihrauch HW77 or the Air Arms TX 200 (see "Arizona Airguns" for Weihrauch imports) will produce consistent 1 hole groups out to 35-40 yards. Moreover, there are kits available from Vortek (USA) or Sandwell Field Sports (UK) to improve the performance and sound output of standard air rifles: your air rifle seems to produce a fair amount of spring "twang". One drawback of CB caps vs air rifle pellets: they are fairly expensive.
Excellent video. Wish all of them were this easy to follow. Currently weighing the options of gas piston .22 air rifle vs. .22 CB for my rifle. Thanks!
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Really depends on the air rifle. My .177 Hatsan 125 shoots with about 25 fpe, it even shoots 7.9 grain pellets supersonic with ease (I prefer slower 10.5 grain though), and is accurate past 50 yards. It will outperform a .22 cb anytime. Don't even get started on the pcp rifles, they can be tack drivers, and some are considerably powerful, like the sumatra .25, out of the box it shoots 80 fpe.
Buckrun11, Thank you for the very well done video. It is appreciated. I was just telling a friend about it and he had never heard of it before. So I was looking up information on it for him to look at when I found your video. I really like your "range." Keep shooting.
I don't think you have to worry about squib loads with a CB. From what I have read they are just the primer with no powder. Oh I love my Savage .17 HMR. I also have a .17 Rem. in a Rem 700. I see a few more .17's I now want to get. .17 Hornet and the .17 MK2. I fell in love with the .17 years ago,
very very interesting! its especially interesting to me because i have a pellet rifle that i spent a sit of monet for and i wasnt terribly sold on its penetration and was having buyers remorse over it. i live eat and breath anything .22 but of all things,ive never experimented with the cb caps. im gonna give up the pellet rifle and spend that money on cb cap ammo. thanks for taking the time to do this right. chronos dont lie.
May I add. The main reason I would even consider an air rifle over a rim fire rifle is they won't be banning pellets any time soon and even if they do I can mold my own pellets. I also live on 6.5 acres but it's within the city limits so to shoot at home a pellet gun is my only option. It's great for practice and hunting as well. I see there are also other happy Hatsan owners in this thread. I just got my 125TH less than a week ago and I sure enjoy it.
great comparison showing differences sonic crack and power. i just picked up an old winchester 72a with the 25" barrel, wondering how the short will perform through it. my biggest concern with the shorts though is the danger of squib rounds, not looking to kill my barrel. but we'll see!
Thanks for sharing the information. I had been loading the .22 cb's in my 10/22 one at at time and didn't think of using the magazine and manually operating the action.
I have a Rossi Mod 62 pump action .22 that shoots anything from CB shorts to hyper velocity LR. Even mixed up in the magazine tube! Thats why I bought it. Ive shot many CBs out of it and no .22 airgun is as quiet (its not as loud as a sneeze. About all you hear is the hammer striking). And its quite deadly. If you have any .22 rifle, get some.
Very cool and informative video, thank you for making it. I'd love to see some tests done with some higher quality H&N "hunting" pellets as well. I've always preferred a heavier, but slower moving pellet to take small game. The ones that shoot supersonic in my opinion are a little gimmicky, because when the pellet drops below the sound barrier it can start to tumble. Keeping it subsonic the entire time can improve accuracy. I find the h&r hornet 9.7 grain, and the h&r copper 10.65g both very effective on small game up to about 100 feet. I don't have a chronograph, but my math tells me it's moving around 8-900 ft per second.
Buck... I agree. I have shot CCI CB Shorts for years but at $7 a box I only keep a few hundred rounds on the shelf. I do have several thousand pellets and use them for rabbit and squirrel and find them handy. I also burn several hundred rounds for fun because I can afford them at 250 rds for a couple $. great review good video
Nice job. Pellet hunting and target shooting is fun. The Destroyer pellets are totally effective compared to any other pellet I have shot. Total kills on most starlings and squirrels.
+natserog .177 Has the benefit of the velocity; they don't drop nearly as much as the .22's. You can find them anywhere, too. The energy ratings on .177 is comparable to most .22 pellets.... But.....it is nice to watch those big old holes in the tin cans with the 22, and stuff goes flying around like it should when you hit it. Lol.
+Chris Wooten ..But, .177 cal also produces LESS FPE on Target as well, from about 20 yards (on avg.) on out, plus... with the lighter projectile, they are also much more easily affected by cross wind or wind in general, as well as lose their velocity quicker, once it gets out to 20 yards and further due to less mass and weight, resulting in the aforementioned Less fpe on target. FPE on target is much more preferable than fps with little mass and weight. Personally, Any "Small" game hunting with Air rifles that I do, is done with either a .22 or .25 cal.. either with a springer or a pcp, depending on the game..... for raccoon's and larger, I use big bore pcp air rifles, only. I only use .177 for close range (within 25 yrds) target and reactive target - shooting and plinking, I Never hunt with .177 cal.... but, that's just my personal preference for a more sure and humane kill..... and I Never shoot for "sport"..... I eat, whatever I harvest. Fortunately, in this area... we're not really bothered with "nuisance" pests... except for a few squirrels running around in the trees, but they're nor bothering anything or anybody.
+natserog .... Easy.... the More FPE ("punch") On Target, the more sure and humane kill.... IF, your planning on doing any hunting, at all. The larger the caliber, the larger the wound channel which equals more room for "error" if "exactly" on target for a quick and humane kill. IF.... hunting small game (especially, so) ie: squirrels, etc, etc.... remember they REQUIRE Accurate head shots.. in the brain.... and Never shoot at ranges Beyond where you can Consistently group 10 consecutive shots WITHIN a ONE (1) inch circle.... Especially with a .177 cal..... the only exception being a "flyer" due to a "bad" pellet. Never take "body shots" on small game with a .177 cal air rifle, unless your experienced and absolutely sure you can take a "heart shot"...... otherwise, you will most likely succeed in wounding the animal, only..... and that is never good.... or, possibly it would die a slow death through bleeding, etc. In any case, KNOW the anatomy of what your shooting at, so you can make smart and calculated, humane shots... if, your hunting with your air rifle.
Don't you just love how people without even a clue "chime" in on the comments? Not knowing a thing about rifles, ammo, etc. It always amazes me to read the comments, but it is hard to keep quiet. Everyone knows more than the person who posted the video, but clicked on it for advise and to learn about it.
@@Buckrun11 interesting video greetings from UK England Essex near London your rifle sounds strong here in UK England the law stands your only allowed 12 foot pounds of muzzle energy for pistols its 6 foot pounds of muzzle energy 🔫👍:-) 🐺🐾
Have you tried a Hatsan 125 pellet gun in .22 or .25 caliber? Even the .22 caliber can exceed 30 foot pounds depending on the pellets you use. It is louder than cb caps as I used to shoot them as well out of my Anschutz. I just think a break barrel pellet gun that can exceed 30 foot pounds is impressive. What I like about break barrels is you get the same power for every shot and don't have to bring a scuba tank along for all day shooting plus you don't have to clean the gun each time you shoot
Pellets actually lose most of their accuracy upon breaking the sound barrier. You really, really want to fire heavier ammunition rather than up the velocity.
Headframe Hunters... Very True, especially in .177 cal.... they're known for doing acrobatics, like barrel rolls, inverted hammer stalls, corkscrewing, 180 degree turns and all sorts of tricks while backing down through the sound barrier, and the lighter the pellet, the worse it gets.... which is why most people who buy those guns (usually 1st time buyers), wind up wondering why they can't hit the broadside of a barn with them.... plus coupling that, with (through their ignorance of airguns) "Holding" the gun (especially "magnum" types) as they would any powder burner... and it's a sure-fire recipe for total Inaccuracy.
Oh ,,never actually thought of that , I have a lightweight 1.77 air rifle , but the least grains I fire are 15grains , although ft lbs is around 30 plus ..👍👍
Plus .22 cal air rifles are more expensive as are the pellets. I haven't shot or been around someone shooting a .22 air rifle but I bet it is pretty loud too.
A couple weeks ago I bought my first break action air rifle mostly for killing sparrows. It's a Crossman Fury. I agree that my bolt action .22 with either CB's or Shorts may be about as "stealthy" and have more energy when hitting. For small bird and game hunting in my area, I think the air rifle is safer to use. You don't have to worry about the pellets flying through someone's bedroom window a half mile away. Same reason I prefer the .410 over .22lr for squirrel hunting.
What range and what kind of sighting are you using? Honestly it can be a quality issue. I have some very high end springers and they both are quite nasty out passed 50 yards even. I can achieve one inch groups with a high power scope pretty regularly at 50 yards. Inside 35 yards I can pretty much break aspirin tablets all day long with the good ones. Even my 10 year old's training $130 springer at only 5.5 ft/lbs (480 fps) of power can group at 3/8 inch all day at 25 yards.
How did you get such a tight group with the Gamo? I own a Winchester 1028WS and I am having trouble getting tighter groups. I am used to using a multi-pump pneumatic rifle and I knew that a springer would be more difficult to get accuracy out of, so I have been practicing the artillery hold, but I still cant seem to get consistent shots. Please respond
Nice, easy to understand presentation and very to the point! You must be a professional, ie teacher or lecturer?! I don't care about pawpaw's and water melon's, I still learnt something. Thank you.
But the point of the video is that the .22 CB is more quiet. Plus there is less movement to reload and most people already have a .22 rimfire rifle that they can use a CB in.
Actually I just did a test to appease my own curiosity. It seemed that the unsuppressed CB cap was louder than a suppressed 42 grain subsonic round, which is advertised at 1050 fps. The subsonics also cycle the action of my rifle.
I use a 10-22 with a shortened (16.125 in) barrel with CB caps for pest control and it works great! Using your chart, I would guess that the CB caps are getting close to the 675fps. advertised by CCI.
Great video I wonder if you snipped some coils off the bolt spring on the 10/22 it could be made to function with the CB rounds ? I have an old Winchester 74 .22 short only rifle that I shoot the old style short CB rounds in, about half the time they work the action.
Ok, got your analysis and thanks for the video....As far as range and bullet drop, at what range does the cb22's accuracy drops due to the slower speed and is taken over by the pellets? Or is this argument failed due to the fact that the pellets are so light that they cannot punch through the air as well at longer distances(?). In other words are there 'most effective' ranges for each type of bullet? Thanks!
Very nice. I love those CB's. I also like the newer CCI called the "QUIET". Their a little heavier (40grn) and a tiny bit louder than the CB. The nice thing is the Quiet is a LR. but they wont cycle in my 10/22. I prefer shooting the CB long out of my old Sears, T3. Excellent shooting with that old Savage by the way.
Enjoyed the film, thanks. I'm with you on the CB caps... in theory. Unfortunately, I have no luck with accuracy. I can shoot dime size groups all day at 40' with my pellet rifle and 10.5gr pellets, but the CB's are all over the place. I have tried 3 different guns and 2 brands of CB's, no luck. Maybe your combination of Stevens rifle and CB caps are the magic combination.
Cool test, I was wondering if you could still get the "cb" caps. I bought a bunch years back, still got a couple hundred. I asked at "Academy", but just called them "hummingbirds" the kid looked at me like I was nuts!!LOL! Where do you get yours?
Interesting. I had always heard not to use them in a Ruger 10/22; but apparently, all you have to do is eject by hand. Something to think about. However, a better comparison might be the 22 CB vs a Benjamin Marauder .25, which is extremely quiet. The Benjamin domed .25 pellet is 27.8 grains, so would compare better with the 22 CB.
Just what I was going to say. You can now get PCP air rifles that rival .22 LR in FPE. There are bolt action, so no big coking movement or effort, and there are even some repeaters. Plus, cheap to shoot and no problem getting ammo. You can use heavy .22 pellets to stay subsonic and thus quiet. Only downside I see is that I think the air rifles are more expensive than they should be.
Both UK legal calibres .177 and .22 have 12 foot lbs total energy. The .177 8 grain pellet flies at 800fps for its 12 ft lbs....The .22 14 grains pellet flies at 600fps for its 12 ft lbs. Because the law limits power to 12 ft lbs the .22 suffers more drop over range because the speed is significantly lower than .177. This larger drop allows more error to creep in when aiming at a typical 30-40 metre rabbit where head shot is the only guaranteed kill with low energy air weapons. Yes the .177 will suffer more energy loss beyond 60 metres but impact energy has decayed in both calibres at that point making any kill difficult and accurate head hits near impossible anyway. In short this is why the pros use .177 Faster pellet, better head penetration due to 16mm2 area not 24mm2 area, less drop making ranging easier and more predicable without changing scope settings every shot. If the legal limit was higher .22 would be the clear winner. But at 12 ft lbs .177 has the edge in many areas.
Your last comment made all the sense in the world. "If the legal limit was higher .22 would be the clear winner." When are they going to outlaw tidly-winks? You can kill someone with them if you hold them down and force like 50 of them down their throat and don't allow them to breath. Tidly-winks, very dangerous. Working with 12 fpe is like walking on a bicycle race. Is it still a capital crime if you kill a rabbit that came from the kings property; even though, your starving to death? I think, if they don't allow you limitless energy from an air gun you should overthrow your masters unless you still enjoy being a serf, or subject (a nice word for slave).
I love my CCI .22 CB Long. It's great for pest control, plus it's quieter than a CO2 pellet gun or a high powered single shot piston action pellet rifle. Stick with CCI .22 CB Long, you can varmint hunt around your house and not disturb your neighbors.
Very interesting, try some Prometheus pellets in .22 and H&N Pile-driver and Rabbit stopper Bullet pellets. The first pellet has a steel core with a plastic outer casing, they are lighter and much faster than the lead pellets when I have tested with an HW80k Main disadvantage is they are not cheap but they turn your gun into a flatter shooter. I have not shot them at distance over 25 yards so I can't say what longer range accuracy is like, I have tried both the yellow and green ones.
hey buck I'm not sure where about you are in Ohio from me 43343 but I have a .22 nitro piston and a lot of different pellets if you think it would be worth recomparing again.
Problem with 22CB is limited ammo selection (only CCI or bit louder 22 CeeBee Remington). 1022 isn't very accurate with 22CB while you have thousands of different pellets to choose to find the best one for your pellet gun. I thought I'd have "1022 pellet gun" with 22CB, but I was very wrong after trying a decent CO2/PCP pellet gun.
The ones you are calling 'Fiber' is actually PBA ammo (precision ballistic alloy) meaning aluminium. I had a small amount come with my Gamo Shadow sport 1000 .177 air rifle
When I was a kid the school had a book that was about a young guide in the desrt of US that takes out a nut hunter and he ends up with only a savage 22 I think. LOL! Can't remember name but good 22 book, deathwatch? BSA air rifles get up in 700's, Crosman 102's bust plywood too.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I've never seen CB caps of LR length. What brand and advertised velocity are they? I am more familiar with the short ones advertised with 750fps.
Great video! Loved the white board and data. For the kiddies: Numbers don't lie, but you can lie with numbers as manufacturers do through their sales representatives. The heavier the projectile, the higher the BC at longer range, which translates to the turtle and the hare story. Bigger, heavier, slower will always beat smaller, lighter, faster at longer range. At shorter range, it is the opposite. The demarcation line is a DMZ because of the opinions, feelings, emotions, and ill information believed in. History's worst hit has always been better than history's best miss; unless you are the one being shot at.
Hey can you help me out here. Im in UK so cant use Real Steal in my garden nor anywhere near where I live. I am going to be getting a new Air rifle in .177 what would you reccomend I get. A break barrel like your air rifle or a Co2 powered one ? cheers
For backyard only, get CO2 for convenience, largest caliber for power, and longest barrel for velocity. A springer with 0.177 and long barrel adds to great velocity, but at the cost of accuracy. You would see it in target competition. the best accuracy is gotten from 7.5 +/- 1/2 grain and velocity of 567 +/- 9 fps. Indoors, with practice and skill you will win first place each and every time, but you will only be punching hole on paper. When you move from target to hunting, the exchange is with accuracy for velocity, or power. Keep in mind, accuracy comes first, then power, then velocity and you will not do good, but GREAT! The worst hit in history is still better than the best miss in history unless it's you being shot at.
I have that same rifle. I ended up receiving my great grandfathers Stevens Crack shot and it is in pristine condition. I can shoot those super calibre 20 grain cartridges and it is as silent as a whisper. I also have an FX Gladiator with a shrouded barrel and a suppressor on the end of it. I swear the crack shot rifle is just as quite or more. Nice video you got here. I would like to replace my firing pin on the Stevens rifle but don't know where to get parts. Do you know where they sell parts for this little gem of a rifle. Thanks.
like your video ,i own all three 17, mach2,hmr,and wsm the wsm 17 is something special accurate and deadly . i also have all three different pellet guns .177, 22, and 25 all good for hunting , just different critters.
Very interesting! Too bad you didn't have a decibel meter to measure the noise generated by each shot. However your demonstration shows why so many airguns employ surpressors. Great video! Thanks for sharing.
I bet the effective max velocity of a .22 CB is a pretty short barrel. From the stuff I've researched, 19" is about max length for a .22 mag. 15-16" for a .22LR. Stuff just gets shorter and shorter with .22 long, .22 short, and .22 CB. Before that acceleration peaks and then becomes slowing drag.
.22 CB is a very capable round and .22 Short is as well--both are very quiet. If your rifle shoots them accurately they'll both take small game as well as .22LR at similar ranges. They aren't fast and you have to be more familiar with their ballistics but with similar hits as the .22LR you'll get the same results. The CB might be a bit light for a coyote at 20 yards but the Short would probably do OK.
Buckrun11 - How did you get the 22 long CB's to feed through a standard 10/22 magazine, or did you use a specialized or modified magazine? I realize that they won't eject due to low energy, but they don't seem to feed correctly either from my quick trial.
Thanks for the response - amazingly fast considering the age of video. I tried it again and it seems to work. Now I can make use of the ammo that I bought by mistake through the web. Thanks Again Buckrun11-Great video!
According to your video the cb is got more power but thats only cuz of the weight of the ammo and i personally dont know how expensive cb shells are but i know i can get 500 rounds of .177 amo for five bucks and if it comes to stealth i got no problem cocking a break barrel and still be quiet its a good video but from the beginning i see you pointing to all the pros you can get for the .22 over a .177 thats just what i think not trying to disrespect no one
I like my daisy power line 880 ranch hand for 41 years now, great around cattle, wont spook them yet kills rattlers at 10 yards with one BB to the head. also a shot makes coyote packs, and even once to twice a year make mountain lion get off the property double time. lot less regulations if you stay with BB guns.
You should never let go of the barrel when cocking and loading a break barrel air rifle. If the sear didn't completely engage or is worn, the barrel bill spring back violently with enough force to bend it and possible injure you.
hey boss if you would have matched up the same weight between the CB cap and the pellet you would have got the same results the CB cap was moving slower but it weighed more so you got better penetration with it if the pellet weighed the same as the CB caps the gun would have shot quieter and pellets will always be cheaper then 22 ammo
What happened to the numbers for the Stephen's Crackshot? I really wanted to see those, as my father used one of the originals as a boy. Oh, how I wish he'd have saved that one. I love collecting old guns! airguns & otherwise...
When compared to a muzzle loader that folks used to hunt with long before modern cartridges were introduced a break barrel air gun is a breeze to reload. A .177 pellet will effectively and efficiently kill a small wild pig at 20 yards with proper shot placement (as more than a few TH-cam videos document), so they'll penetrate and kill small game just fine. Shooting a 2x4 with either a 22 CB or .177 (or even .22) air rifle is rather pointless if you ask me (unless you'rte planning on hunting 2x4s), but that's just my opinion. Try a comparison of availability and price of both since both are capable of humanely killing small game with ease. The air rifle will win that comparison all day everyday. As others have stated, if you don't want to have to break the barrel open for every shot there are a number of PCP air rifles that will serve your purpose.
The cb rounds ain't good on the action in a 10/22. Same as hot rounds like cci stingers.all hard on action. Cb caps should be used in single shots or bolt action rifles designed for .22 shorts
Buckrun11.... Thanks for your video. Just so your aware... the 5.0 gr. pellets you were shooting (depending on brand, and head type, etc.) are produced from either lightweight steel, brass OR... aluminum - Alloy's. Personally, I have not yet... at least, come across any "fiber" pellets.... and I have pellets from just about every known pellet manufacturer, globally.... that is imported into the US.... in most every type and weight, in all four (4) "small bore" calibers. Not saying that a "fiber" pellet does not exist.... just saying that I've yet to come across any..... and admittedly, I don't even "consider" alloy pellets in my purchasing, so I could have perhaps, missed any fiber pellets, if they even exist. Thanks again for your video.... good comparison. Personally, I would have pitted my higher end .22 cal "spring" type air rifles or lower end .22 cal pcp air rifles, against the rim fires.... but. your Gamo .177 seemed to do ok against them in that close of a target range. Take Care.
Awesome review, thank you! I never considered how quiet .22 RF ammo could be. You have convinced me, to abandon my research and investment into air rifles. I already own a .22 RF, but for the price of a pellet rifle setup - I can buy a dedicated, scoped bolt action .22 and lots of CB ammo!
This was a terrific comparison video! Very glad you put it up here....Hate that it took me so long to find it. I enjoyed watching it! Thanks!
Thanks I enjoyed doing it.
CB cap does have powder. CCI CB 22 short case is filled about halfway with powder.
Interesting I shoot pellet rifles and .22 cal I have to say I never heard of a CB round before I watched this. I like the pellets over my .22 because I can go out in my backyard and shoot without bothering the neighbors, also I enjoy small game hunting with my .177 mainly because you are forced to make a better shot. I have had to pass up many shots with my pellet Rifle that I would have taken without a second thought with my Ruger 10/22. Glad you posted this and that I watched it, I learned something new.
An interesting comparison, but .22 caliber airguns would have been more appropriate for such a test. I once had an Anschütz 1416 .22 caliber rifle equipped with a sound moderator: shooting CB caps produced almost zero noise, maybe just a slight higher pitched "blowing" sound. Accuracy was amazing too. That said, a gas ram piston operated air rifle equipped with a sound moderator is incredibly quiet too, as there is no vibration of a kind encountered in spring piston air rifles. in terms of accuracy, some air rifles such as the Weihrauch HW77 or the Air Arms TX 200 (see "Arizona Airguns" for Weihrauch imports) will produce consistent 1 hole groups out to 35-40 yards. Moreover, there are kits available from Vortek (USA) or Sandwell Field Sports (UK) to improve the performance and sound output of standard air rifles: your air rifle seems to produce a fair amount of spring "twang". One drawback of CB caps vs air rifle pellets: they are fairly expensive.
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Great video Buck..thanks for all the work putting it together.
Excellent video. Wish all of them were this easy to follow. Currently weighing the options of gas piston .22 air rifle vs. .22 CB for my rifle. Thanks!
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Really depends on the air rifle. My .177 Hatsan 125 shoots with about 25 fpe, it even shoots 7.9 grain pellets supersonic with ease (I prefer slower 10.5 grain though), and is accurate past 50 yards. It will outperform a .22 cb anytime. Don't even get started on the pcp rifles, they can be tack drivers, and some are considerably powerful, like the sumatra .25, out of the box it shoots 80 fpe.
Buckrun11, Thank you for the very well done video. It is appreciated. I was just telling a friend about it and he had never heard of it before. So I was looking up information on it for him to look at when I found your video. I really like your "range." Keep shooting.
I don't think you have to worry about squib loads with a CB. From what I have read they are just the primer with no powder. Oh I love my Savage .17 HMR. I also have a .17 Rem. in a Rem 700. I see a few more .17's I now want to get. .17 Hornet and the .17 MK2. I fell in love with the .17 years ago,
love the way you say " tuba4" I will now say it that way too. loved the video I am a "springer" shooter and love guns in general. Good show!
Amazing how much louder the light pellets were compaired to the .22
very very interesting! its especially interesting to me because i have a pellet rifle that i spent a sit of monet for and i wasnt terribly sold on its penetration and was having buyers remorse over it. i live eat and breath anything .22 but of all things,ive never experimented with the cb caps. im gonna give up the pellet rifle and spend that money on cb cap ammo. thanks for taking the time to do this right. chronos dont lie.
That was a great demonstration of the different perfomances. That is some good data there buddy.
May I add. The main reason I would even consider an air rifle over a rim fire rifle is they won't be banning pellets any time soon and even if they do I can mold my own pellets. I also live on 6.5 acres but it's within the city limits so to shoot at home a pellet gun is my only option. It's great for practice and hunting as well. I see there are also other happy Hatsan owners in this thread. I just got my 125TH less than a week ago and I sure enjoy it.
I Love my Hatsan Bullboss .25. Happy shooting.
@@briangleason5597 Yep, they're very under rated.
great comparison showing differences sonic crack and power. i just picked up an old winchester 72a with the 25" barrel, wondering how the short will perform through it. my biggest concern with the shorts though is the danger of squib rounds, not looking to kill my barrel. but we'll see!
Apparently turkeys can be hunted in city limits withh a pellet. We have them in the cemetary right in the center of the largest city of NH.
Thanks for sharing the information. I had been loading the .22 cb's in my 10/22 one at at time and didn't think of using the magazine and manually operating the action.
I have a Rossi Mod 62 pump action .22 that shoots anything from CB shorts to hyper velocity LR. Even mixed up in the magazine tube! Thats why I bought it. Ive shot many CBs out of it and no .22 airgun is as quiet (its not as loud as a sneeze. About all you hear is the hammer striking). And its quite deadly. If you have any .22 rifle, get some.
Good stuff Buckrun, that was a very interesting experiment, and good knowledge to have. Thanks for sharing,
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Very cool and informative video, thank you for making it. I'd love to see some tests done with some higher quality H&N "hunting" pellets as well. I've always preferred a heavier, but slower moving pellet to take small game. The ones that shoot supersonic in my opinion are a little gimmicky, because when the pellet drops below the sound barrier it can start to tumble. Keeping it subsonic the entire time can improve accuracy. I find the h&r hornet 9.7 grain, and the h&r copper 10.65g both very effective on small game up to about 100 feet. I don't have a chronograph, but my math tells me it's moving around 8-900 ft per second.
Colibri are the ones with no powder just primer and they are warning marked for handgun due to the possible squib problem
Buck... I agree. I have shot CCI CB Shorts for years but at $7 a box I only keep a few hundred rounds on the shelf. I do have several thousand pellets and use them for rabbit and squirrel and find them handy. I also burn several hundred rounds for fun because I can afford them at 250 rds for a couple $. great review good video
Nice job. Pellet hunting and target shooting is fun. The Destroyer pellets are totally effective compared to any other pellet I have shot. Total kills on most starlings and squirrels.
I cant decide on .177 or .22 .....dont know if I want faster or more punch.
+natserog Just remember if you go with the .22 RF you can always shoot regular high velocity ammo when needed.
+natserog .177 Has the benefit of the velocity; they don't drop nearly as much as the .22's. You can find them anywhere, too. The energy ratings on .177 is comparable to most .22 pellets....
But.....it is nice to watch those big old holes in the tin cans with the 22, and stuff goes flying around like it should when you hit it. Lol.
+natserog The .177's are DIRT cheap too! You can shoot for hours on a 5 dollar bill!
+Chris Wooten ..But, .177 cal also produces LESS FPE on Target as well, from about 20 yards (on avg.) on out, plus... with the lighter projectile, they are also much more easily affected by cross wind or wind in general, as well as lose their velocity quicker, once it gets out to 20 yards and further due to less mass and weight, resulting in the aforementioned Less fpe on target. FPE on target is much more preferable than fps with little mass and weight.
Personally, Any "Small" game hunting with Air rifles that I do, is done with either a .22 or .25 cal.. either with a springer or a pcp, depending on the game..... for raccoon's and larger, I use big bore pcp air rifles, only.
I only use .177 for close range (within 25 yrds) target and reactive target - shooting and plinking, I Never hunt with .177 cal.... but, that's just my personal preference for a more sure and humane kill..... and I Never shoot for "sport"..... I eat, whatever I harvest. Fortunately, in this area... we're not really bothered with "nuisance" pests... except for a few squirrels running around in the trees, but they're nor bothering anything or anybody.
+natserog .... Easy.... the More FPE ("punch") On Target, the more sure and humane kill.... IF, your planning on doing any hunting, at all. The larger the caliber, the larger the wound channel which equals more room for "error" if "exactly" on target for a quick and humane kill.
IF.... hunting small game (especially, so) ie: squirrels, etc, etc.... remember they REQUIRE Accurate head shots.. in the brain.... and Never shoot at ranges Beyond where you can Consistently group 10 consecutive shots WITHIN a ONE (1) inch circle.... Especially with a .177 cal..... the only exception being a "flyer" due to a "bad" pellet.
Never take "body shots" on small game with a .177 cal air rifle, unless your experienced and absolutely sure you can take a "heart shot"...... otherwise, you will most likely succeed in wounding the animal, only..... and that is never good.... or, possibly it would die a slow death through bleeding, etc. In any case, KNOW the anatomy of what your shooting at, so you can make smart and calculated, humane shots... if, your hunting with your air rifle.
Don't you just love how people without even a clue "chime" in on the comments? Not knowing a thing about rifles, ammo, etc. It always amazes me to read the comments, but it is hard to keep quiet. Everyone knows more than the person who posted the video, but clicked on it for advise and to learn about it.
By the way, thanks for your post. Great video.
Scott Bacorn Thanks for the comments.
@@Buckrun11 interesting video greetings from UK England Essex near London your rifle sounds strong here in UK England the law stands your only allowed 12 foot pounds of muzzle energy for pistols its 6 foot pounds of muzzle energy 🔫👍:-) 🐺🐾
Have you tried a Hatsan 125 pellet gun in .22 or .25 caliber? Even the .22 caliber can exceed 30 foot pounds depending on the pellets you use. It is louder than cb caps as I used to shoot them as well out of my Anschutz. I just think a break barrel pellet gun that can exceed 30 foot pounds is impressive. What I like about break barrels is you get the same power for every shot and don't have to bring a scuba tank along for all day shooting plus you don't have to clean the gun each time you shoot
yeah but they are so damn heavy
Pellets actually lose most of their accuracy upon breaking the sound barrier. You really, really want to fire heavier ammunition rather than up the velocity.
Headframe Hunters... Very True, especially in .177 cal.... they're known for doing acrobatics, like barrel rolls, inverted hammer stalls, corkscrewing, 180 degree turns and all sorts of tricks while backing down through the sound barrier, and the lighter the pellet, the worse it gets.... which is why most people who buy those guns (usually 1st time buyers), wind up wondering why they can't hit the broadside of a barn with them.... plus coupling that, with (through their ignorance of airguns) "Holding" the gun (especially "magnum" types) as they would any powder burner... and it's a sure-fire recipe for total Inaccuracy.
Headframe Hunters depends on the type of pellet you use though, some go super sonic just fine
Oh ,,never actually thought of that , I have a lightweight 1.77 air rifle , but the least grains I fire are 15grains , although ft lbs is around 30 plus ..👍👍
I suspected this, thanks.
The last box I got at the gun show. But I know they had them at Wal-Mart at one time. Don't know if they still have them.
Plus .22 cal air rifles are more expensive as are the pellets. I haven't shot or been around someone shooting a .22 air rifle but I bet it is pretty loud too.
A couple weeks ago I bought my first break action air rifle mostly for killing sparrows. It's a Crossman Fury. I agree that my bolt action .22 with either CB's or Shorts may be about as "stealthy" and have more energy when hitting. For small bird and game hunting in my area, I think the air rifle is safer to use. You don't have to worry about the pellets flying through someone's bedroom window a half mile away. Same reason I prefer the .410 over .22lr for squirrel hunting.
Thanks for your time to do this vid
Great video Buck! Very informative!
What range and what kind of sighting are you using? Honestly it can be a quality issue. I have some very high end springers and they both are quite nasty out passed 50 yards even. I can achieve one inch groups with a high power scope pretty regularly at 50 yards. Inside 35 yards I can pretty much break aspirin tablets all day long with the good ones. Even my 10 year old's training $130 springer at only 5.5 ft/lbs (480 fps) of power can group at 3/8 inch all day at 25 yards.
How did you get such a tight group with the Gamo? I own a Winchester 1028WS and I am having trouble getting tighter groups. I am used to using a multi-pump pneumatic rifle and I knew that a springer would be more difficult to get accuracy out of, so I have been practicing the artillery hold, but I still cant seem to get consistent shots. Please respond
Thanks for watching. It was worth the work just something I wanted to know.
Nice, easy to understand presentation and very to the point! You must be a professional, ie teacher or lecturer?! I don't care about pawpaw's and water melon's, I still learnt something. Thank you.
Thanks for the comment. No I'm just a working stiff like every one else. Just been shooting a long time.
what air rifle is being used to fire the 177 pellets?
But the point of the video is that the .22 CB is more quiet. Plus there is less movement to reload and most people already have a .22 rimfire rifle that they can use a CB in.
The 5 grain is an alloy.
Actually I just did a test to appease my own curiosity. It seemed that the unsuppressed CB cap was louder than a suppressed 42 grain subsonic round, which is advertised at 1050 fps. The subsonics also cycle the action of my rifle.
Gamo PBA Platinum is actually 4grain not 5.
Would love see identical video but comparing with 22 rimfire instead 22 cb.
Thanks
The first time I shot those light pellets I was surprised how loud they are.
Pellets are cheeper. But I think some people are getting them for stealth hunting and I really think there better options for that.
Nice review. Thanks for posting.
+Ruckus Tom Thanks for watching and replying. I have always been a fan of the CB caps.
I use a 10-22 with a shortened (16.125 in) barrel with CB caps for pest control and it works great! Using your chart, I would guess that the CB caps are getting close to the 675fps. advertised by CCI.
I don't really have any use for the pellet guns anymore. Regret even thinking they may be an option.
Great video
I wonder if you snipped some coils off the bolt spring on the 10/22 it could be made to function with the CB rounds ?
I have an old Winchester 74 .22 short only rifle that I shoot the old style short CB rounds in, about half the time they work the action.
Ok, got your analysis and thanks for the video....As far as range and bullet drop, at what range does the cb22's accuracy drops due to the slower speed and is taken over by the pellets? Or is this argument failed due to the fact that the pellets are so light that they cannot punch through the air as well at longer distances(?). In other words are there 'most effective' ranges for each type of bullet? Thanks!
I'll have to do a test. But I'm sure they are both going to drop off fast.
Thanks!
Very nice. I love those CB's. I also like the newer CCI called the "QUIET". Their a little heavier (40grn) and a tiny bit louder than the CB. The nice thing is the Quiet is a LR. but they wont cycle in my 10/22. I prefer shooting the CB long out of my old Sears, T3.
Excellent shooting with that old Savage by the way.
Enjoyed the film, thanks. I'm with you on the CB caps... in theory. Unfortunately, I have no luck with accuracy. I can shoot dime size groups all day at 40' with my pellet rifle and 10.5gr pellets, but the CB's are all over the place. I have tried 3 different guns and 2 brands of CB's, no luck. Maybe your combination of Stevens rifle and CB caps are the magic combination.
I thoroughly enjoyed this video. thank you!!
Johnathan Gibbons usmc Thank you.
Cool test, I was wondering if you could still get the "cb" caps. I bought a bunch years back, still got a couple hundred. I asked at "Academy", but just called them "hummingbirds" the kid looked at me like I was nuts!!LOL! Where do you get yours?
Interesting. I had always heard not to use them in a Ruger 10/22; but apparently, all you have to do is eject by hand. Something to think about. However, a better comparison might be the 22 CB vs a Benjamin Marauder .25, which is extremely quiet. The Benjamin domed .25 pellet is 27.8 grains, so would compare better with the 22 CB.
Thanks for watching. Glad you liked it.
Excellent video
Just what I was going to say. You can now get PCP air rifles that rival .22 LR in FPE. There are bolt action, so no big coking movement or effort, and there are even some repeaters. Plus, cheap to shoot and no problem getting ammo. You can use heavy .22 pellets to stay subsonic and thus quiet. Only downside I see is that I think the air rifles are more expensive than they should be.
how many pounds per square inch is ur gun
Both UK legal calibres .177 and .22 have 12 foot lbs total energy. The .177 8 grain pellet flies at 800fps for its 12 ft lbs....The .22 14 grains pellet flies at 600fps for its 12 ft lbs. Because the law limits power to 12 ft lbs the .22 suffers more drop over range because the speed is significantly lower than .177. This larger drop allows more error to creep in when aiming at a typical 30-40 metre rabbit where head shot is the only guaranteed kill with low energy air weapons. Yes the .177 will suffer more energy loss beyond 60 metres but impact energy has decayed in both calibres at that point making any kill difficult and accurate head hits near impossible anyway. In short this is why the pros use .177 Faster pellet, better head penetration due to 16mm2 area not 24mm2 area, less drop making ranging easier and more predicable without changing scope settings every shot. If the legal limit was higher .22 would be the clear winner. But at 12 ft lbs .177 has the edge in many areas.
Your last comment made all the sense in the world. "If the legal limit was higher .22 would be the clear winner." When are they going to outlaw tidly-winks? You can kill someone with them if you hold them down and force like 50 of them down their throat and don't allow them to breath. Tidly-winks, very dangerous. Working with 12 fpe is like walking on a bicycle race. Is it still a capital crime if you kill a rabbit that came from the kings property; even though, your starving to death? I think, if they don't allow you limitless energy from an air gun you should overthrow your masters unless you still enjoy being a serf, or subject (a nice word for slave).
I love my CCI .22 CB Long. It's great for pest control, plus it's quieter than a CO2 pellet gun or a high powered single shot piston action pellet rifle. Stick with CCI .22 CB Long, you can varmint hunt around your house and not disturb your neighbors.
Very interesting, try some Prometheus pellets in .22 and H&N Pile-driver and Rabbit stopper Bullet pellets. The first pellet has a steel core with a plastic outer casing, they are lighter and much faster than the lead pellets when I have tested with an HW80k Main disadvantage is they are not cheap but they turn your gun into a flatter shooter. I have not shot them at distance over 25 yards so I can't say what longer range accuracy is like, I have tried both the yellow and green ones.
hey buck I'm not sure where about you are in Ohio from me 43343 but I have a .22 nitro piston and a lot of different pellets if you think it would be worth recomparing again.
+Stephen Headings Im in Lima over on the west side of the state.
Whats cb stand for?
Problem with 22CB is limited ammo selection (only CCI or bit louder 22 CeeBee Remington). 1022 isn't very accurate with 22CB while you have thousands of different pellets to choose to find the best one for your pellet gun. I thought I'd have "1022 pellet gun" with 22CB, but I was very wrong after trying a decent CO2/PCP pellet gun.
The ones you are calling 'Fiber' is actually PBA ammo (precision ballistic alloy) meaning aluminium. I had a small amount come with my Gamo Shadow sport 1000 .177 air rifle
When I was a kid the school had a book that was about a young guide in the desrt of US that takes out a nut hunter and he ends up with only a savage 22 I think. LOL! Can't remember name but good 22 book, deathwatch? BSA air rifles get up in 700's, Crosman 102's bust plywood too.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I've never seen CB caps of LR length.
What brand and advertised velocity are they?
I am more familiar with the short ones advertised with 750fps.
@3:08 what gun is that?
Great video! Loved the white board and data.
For the kiddies: Numbers don't lie, but you can lie with numbers as manufacturers do through their sales representatives.
The heavier the projectile, the higher the BC at longer range, which translates to the turtle and the hare story. Bigger, heavier, slower will always beat smaller, lighter, faster at longer range. At shorter range, it is the opposite. The demarcation line is a DMZ because of the opinions, feelings, emotions, and ill information believed in.
History's worst hit has always been better than history's best miss; unless you are the one being shot at.
Hey can you help me out here. Im in UK so cant use Real Steal in my garden nor anywhere near where I live. I am going to be getting a new Air rifle in .177 what would you reccomend I get. A break barrel like your air rifle or a Co2 powered one ? cheers
For backyard only, get CO2 for convenience, largest caliber for power, and longest barrel for velocity. A springer with 0.177 and long barrel adds to great velocity, but at the cost of accuracy. You would see it in target competition. the best accuracy is gotten from 7.5 +/- 1/2 grain and velocity of 567 +/- 9 fps. Indoors, with practice and skill you will win first place each and every time, but you will only be punching hole on paper. When you move from target to hunting, the exchange is with accuracy for velocity, or power. Keep in mind, accuracy comes first, then power, then velocity and you will not do good, but GREAT! The worst hit in history is still better than the best miss in history unless it's you being shot at.
I have that same rifle. I ended up receiving my great grandfathers Stevens Crack shot and it is in pristine condition. I can shoot those super calibre 20 grain cartridges and it is as silent as a whisper. I also have an FX Gladiator with a shrouded barrel and a suppressor on the end of it. I swear the crack shot rifle is just as quite or more. Nice video you got here. I would like to replace my firing pin on the Stevens rifle but don't know where to get parts. Do you know where they sell parts for this little gem of a rifle. Thanks.
Try here for the parts. www.gunpartscorp.com/
like your video ,i own all three 17, mach2,hmr,and wsm the wsm 17 is something special accurate and deadly . i also have all three different pellet guns .177, 22, and 25 all good for hunting , just different critters.
I have a .17 'HMR and a .17 Remington. I'd like to get a .17 mach2 or the new .17 Hornet. I love the .17's
Nice presentation. Thanks
Thank you for watching.
Is that a g1 extreme
Very interesting! Too bad you didn't have a decibel meter to measure the noise generated by each shot. However your demonstration shows why so many airguns employ surpressors.
Great video! Thanks for sharing.
I bet the effective max velocity of a .22 CB is a pretty short barrel. From the stuff I've researched, 19" is about max length for a .22 mag. 15-16" for a .22LR. Stuff just gets shorter and shorter with .22 long, .22 short, and .22 CB. Before that acceleration peaks and then becomes slowing drag.
.22 CB is a very capable round and .22 Short is as well--both are very quiet. If your rifle shoots them accurately they'll both take small game as well as .22LR at similar ranges. They aren't fast and you have to be more familiar with their ballistics but with similar hits as the .22LR you'll get the same results. The CB might be a bit light for a coyote at 20 yards but the Short would probably do OK.
We'll have to do a little more on this with my .22 suppressor when you're down here next month.
Buckrun11 - How did you get the 22 long CB's to feed through a standard 10/22 magazine, or did you use a specialized or modified magazine? I realize that they won't eject due to low energy, but they don't seem to feed correctly either from my quick trial.
shueydo I didn't have any problems with feeding from a standard mag.
Thanks for the response - amazingly fast considering the age of video. I tried it again and it seems to work. Now I can make use of the ammo that I bought by mistake through the web. Thanks Again Buckrun11-Great video!
Damn thays amazing. what're those really light pellets called? I d like to get a box for squirrel hunting. Thanks man
According to your video the cb is got more power but thats only cuz of the weight of the ammo and i personally dont know how expensive cb shells are but i know i can get 500 rounds of .177 amo for five bucks and if it comes to stealth i got no problem cocking a break barrel and still be quiet its a good video but from the beginning i see you pointing to all the pros you can get for the .22 over a .177 thats just what i think not trying to disrespect no one
I like my daisy power line 880
ranch hand for 41 years now, great around cattle, wont spook them yet kills rattlers at 10 yards with one BB to the head.
also a shot makes coyote packs, and even once to twice a year make mountain lion get off the property double time.
lot less regulations if you stay with BB guns.
You should never let go of the barrel when cocking and loading a break barrel air rifle. If the sear didn't completely engage or is worn, the barrel bill spring back violently with enough force to bend it and possible injure you.
Nice shooting.
Actually the pellets are much cheaper. and you can get a powerful springer or piston gun for 200-300 bucks.
Great video , thanks very much , 👍
hey boss if you would have matched up the same weight between the CB cap and the pellet you would have got the same results the CB cap was moving slower but it weighed more so you got better penetration with it if the pellet weighed the same as the CB caps the gun would have shot quieter and pellets will always be cheaper then 22 ammo
vry cool vid steve.... i was wondering the same thing.... I figured mass would be the deciding factor
What happened to the numbers for the Stephen's Crackshot? I really wanted to see those, as my father used one of the originals as a boy. Oh, how I wish he'd have saved that one. I love collecting old guns! airguns & otherwise...
Does any CB cap have enough power to cycle rounds through a semi-automatic weapon?
No
When compared to a muzzle loader that folks used to hunt with long before modern cartridges were introduced a break barrel air gun is a breeze to reload. A .177 pellet will effectively and efficiently kill a small wild pig at 20 yards with proper shot placement (as more than a few TH-cam videos document), so they'll penetrate and kill small game just fine.
Shooting a 2x4 with either a 22 CB or .177 (or even .22) air rifle is rather pointless if you ask me (unless you'rte planning on hunting 2x4s), but that's just my opinion. Try a comparison of availability and price of both since both are capable of humanely killing small game with ease. The air rifle will win that comparison all day everyday. As others have stated, if you don't want to have to break the barrel open for every shot there are a number of PCP air rifles that will serve your purpose.
What pellet rifle are you shooting?
+Tom Manning It is a Gamo. Don't remember the model.
+Tom Manning Gamo Shadow 1250
old people love those fiber pellets help em get the bowels moving while they shoot
Dang, I never even thought about feeding the CB's through the 10/22. Looks like my Gamo is going to be gathering more dust this year.
The cb rounds ain't good on the action in a 10/22. Same as hot rounds like cci stingers.all hard on action. Cb caps should be used in single shots or bolt action rifles designed for .22 shorts
I used the CB because I was comparing the quite stealthy approach to hunting. Thanks for watching and commenting.
Nice shot 3 in one hole 👍👍👍
I love the CB rounds for hunting,there quiet,accurate and more powerful than pellet guns.
Buckrun11.... Thanks for your video. Just so your aware... the 5.0 gr. pellets you were shooting (depending on brand, and head type, etc.) are produced from either lightweight steel, brass OR... aluminum - Alloy's.
Personally, I have not yet... at least, come across any "fiber" pellets.... and I have pellets from just about every known pellet manufacturer, globally.... that is imported into the US.... in most every type and weight, in all four (4) "small bore" calibers.
Not saying that a "fiber" pellet does not exist.... just saying that I've yet to come across any..... and admittedly, I don't even "consider" alloy pellets in my purchasing, so I could have perhaps, missed any fiber pellets, if they even exist.
Thanks again for your video.... good comparison. Personally, I would have pitted my higher end .22 cal "spring" type air rifles or lower end .22 cal pcp air rifles, against the rim fires.... but. your Gamo .177 seemed to do ok against them in that close of a target range. Take Care.
not a real cb cap looks more like a cci cb long... just saying
its not louder i have a .22 that shoots lead pellets at about 1000 fps... the only thing thats loud about them would be when they hit a hard surface.