Youve really moved on this build! I got a 4th gen around the same time as you and had a lift and 35s early, but now I'm looking at your build for inspiration. Looks great 👍
We regret not doing a full PPF. We got the clear bra but didn’t do full and already chipped our paint from rocks kicking out from the from wheels. But also plan on keeping for a while. Loving the build so far!
Great video and loving your truck and what you're doing to it! I've never overlanded before but after discovering your channel, i'm now interested. Fortunately I live in the Pacific Northwest where there are a lot of overlanding clubs here.
There are a lot of cool places to go see in the PNW. Overland clubs are cool, but don’t be intimidated by just heading out with your spouse or a buddy and just camping out and having a fun weekend. You don’t need to do anything crazy, just go find a spot in the woods and have fun. And then over time your wallet will grow increasingly lighter 😂
Love the video. Great work, as usual. Stupid question, what was your thought process for adding the awning to the passenger side? I will soon order the 270 alucab, can't decide which side.
So this tent and awning is from my Fj. The rear door of the Fj opens in a way that the passenger side makes sense. When my Alucab camper gets installed, it will be on the drivers side. If there is any chance in the future you will get a Canopy Camper/Modcap camper, buy the drivers side as it’s what is used for those campers.
Probably 600lbs loaded I’d assume. Since it came with armor from the factory, my tent, rack and the gear is the only weight I’ve added. Plus the rear seats were removed.
It would be fine, just make sure and have some recovery boards in case some soft sand gives you any fuss. The switchbacks would probably be the hardest part. Keep an eye on in the next week or two for the second episode, we get into a little bit softer stuff that took a bit more effort! Thanks Bill!
What are your thoughts on running a 99lb wheel and tire combo on components designed for roughly 60% of that weight? Not to mention the added moment of inertia from the larger diameter. Combine that with the high torque output from the hybrid system and that could be a massive strain on your driveline components under load. Do you have any concern with breaking components in remote locations given the much added risk you’ve created? Is it worth the trade off of ground clearance? It does look cool though. It reminds me of jeep wranglers where they can basically bolt up 37s nearly bone stock, but if they actually wheel them the drivetrain can’t hang.
Bro, chill dude. My thoughts on running it in the remote places I have has been that it’s great. People who drive like dumbasses can break anything. People who drive slow and steady (like I do) can get away with an awful lot. People were known to blow up the 2007 Fj diff with an unloaded truck on 33s. I did a lot of trails on 33s, fully loaded and never had an issue. I did end up upgrading my diff for good measure, but that’s besides the point. That’s kind of why the crawl control is useful, I believe it can prevent a lot of these risks. Also, these trucks now have bigger differentials to deal with the power. Also, stronger CV and are designed for higher angles under power. So we will see. So in a nutshell, to answer your passive aggressive comment. My thoughts are: it’ll be fine. 🙃
@@IndependenceOverlandhaha I’m not trying to be passive aggressive but objective about the engineering. This new truck makes a ton of torque at low rpm, and sure driving style makes the biggest difference. I think part of why older Toyotas did well with larger tires is because they made such low power. Especially at elevation with naturally aspirated motors. Now you have turbos and hybrids that make a ton more power with arguably weaker components according to some engineers. Anyways I do hope your wheeling is trouble free, but I just wanted to add my 2 cents because people are more concerned with tire clearance than the physics.
Roger that. Yeah I actually talked about it in one of my past videos. Toyota drivers have never been used to having torque before, so hopping up rocks (like a good friend of mine has done a time or two) is really asking for it. In that video I mentioned that I think in those situations, people mah have to get used to the idea of letting the crawl control so it’s thing, because it will certainly save you from that sort of destruction. Some people find it to be a gimmick, but so far I have found it to be pretty useful.
@@IndependenceOverlandyeah that’s fair, I think just being aware of the scenario is the most important thing. It can be easy to want to “bump up” or “gun it” especially with some spotters out there yelling it at you haha I’m sure you’ve been there. I mean we’re talking about more than double the torque to the wheels at altitude compared to the FJ, combined with more mass at the leverage point of the hub. Playing it safe is probably best. Nice thing about tires is that you can switch them up if they cause issues. Best of luck with the setup and sorry if I came off rude, just curious on your thoughts being a form follows function guy. 🍻
@@brochilldude - Toyota knew everyone would add bigger tires and made the wheel wells big enough for it - also what evidence is there that the components used in this truck aren’t up to the task?
@@IndependenceOverland - I did partial PPF on my TH - did you notice your ppf damaged from rocks at the front of your rear fender - basically the bed quarter panel closest to the back door ?
Great video, thank you! I recently got a Tacoma TRD Pro - now have a MORRFlate - is there a more convenient place to hook up the dual compressor than lifting up the back seat? Thank you!
Does it just have the clip ends to attach it to the battery? You can pop the hood, and on the passenger side under the fuse panel is a big red lug. Flip that over and it is a + battery source. Then you hook the ground to the metal bracket to the side of the engine (this is the ground the manual says to jump start from so it’s fine) and the compressor will kick right on.
Mud tires would do well in deep snow, but awful on ice (especially on tarmac). Surprised you went with such a wide tire- would have thought you try 255/85R17 after Tinkerers video on wide vs skinny tires.
I may do that once I switch back over to an AT, just to get a little more MPG back. But if I’m not mistaken, I believe the end conclusion for Kai’s video was that the wider tire did have more traction. Perhaps I am remembering incorrectly.
@@jbcope1000 Kinda yeah, but you had to air down a wide tire so much more that it wouldn’t be realistic to do because you could easily break a bead (under 10psi).
@brandonedwards4398 been awhile since I watched it, thanks. He said you basically needed bead locks to benefit. I went with 11.5 wide, not much wider than stock.
No, haven’t even given thought to it really. Doesn’t seem necessary at all. The guys at Dessent offroad have 38s on their Landcruiser (same powertrain/transmission) and they weren’t regeared either.
The entire front and parts of the rear. The rear fender right behind the cab is a rock magnet since these things are so wide. I wish I had more done right there.
I don’t know the complete list but I do think they should offer a page like your link to the method website. If you look at the KMC range, you’ll find the bead retention literature if you scroll down.
Once the lugs wear down a little it gets slightly better. But yeah, MTs aren't ideal for comfort on the highway. But on gnalry off-road trails they pay off.
Because different people are watching this from different areas. In Missouri where cost of living is cheap, shop rates might be 100 bucks an hour. In Colorado a lot of places are like 185 an hour.
Affiliate Links:
Method Beadgrip Wheels: bit.ly/3Nu565W
Finishline Grand Junction PPF: bit.ly/3UgLaHl
Goose Gear Seat Delete: bit.ly/4thGenSeatDelete
Redline Tuning Hood Strut: amzn.to/40dJGBH
Zarges Cases : bit.ly/3Aq9TSF
The Mounting Company Mounts (Code: independence10) bit.ly/MountingCo
Charvonia Design Billet Tie Down: bit.ly/3BOf3Zk
Mountain Hatch Tailgate Insert: bit.ly/3Yb8bfT
35" FireStone Destination M/T 2: bit.ly/3U93baD
My wife isn't gonna like you... I don't even have my TH yet and my shopping list for add-on's grows every time I watch your channel! 🤣
Tell her to buckle up, because I am about to do some really cool stuff in the next few months! Seriously, its gonna be next level!
I have a feeling this build is going to change a lot of minds about the 4th Gen Tacoma. Great content that is not just out there for click bait.
It’s gonna be what most Tacoma owners dream of !🤩
I’m jealous of the seat delete. I have two car seats in the back of my Trailhunter 😂
It's perfect for the pro.
Haha yeah it makes the space much more usable if you aren’t hauling around rugrats back there.
Just got one today!..sooo happy so far..
that zarges case table is neat AF
Yeah that turned out to be extremely useful!
This rig is looking unreal! 🔥🔥🔥🔥
She’s getting there!
Youve really moved on this build! I got a 4th gen around the same time as you and had a lift and 35s early, but now I'm looking at your build for inspiration. Looks great 👍
Thank you!
I have same exact tires. 35 and everything on my f250. I wanna put in my new Tacoma. I love these tires. They just look sick af
They look good, and they perform very well. I am definitely happy with them so far!
We regret not doing a full PPF. We got the clear bra but didn’t do full and already chipped our paint from rocks kicking out from the from wheels. But also plan on keeping for a while. Loving the build so far!
Thank you! It’s about to get real! I’m dropping it off in about 4 weeks to get some mystery work done.
I won’t be picking it up until January… 😉
Great video and loving your truck and what you're doing to it! I've never overlanded before but after discovering your channel, i'm now interested. Fortunately I live in the Pacific Northwest where there are a lot of overlanding clubs here.
There are a lot of cool places to go see in the PNW. Overland clubs are cool, but don’t be intimidated by just heading out with your spouse or a buddy and just camping out and having a fun weekend. You don’t need to do anything crazy, just go find a spot in the woods and have fun. And then over time your wallet will grow increasingly lighter 😂
Love the video. Great work, as usual. Stupid question, what was your thought process for adding the awning to the passenger side? I will soon order the 270 alucab, can't decide which side.
So this tent and awning is from my Fj. The rear door of the Fj opens in a way that the passenger side makes sense.
When my Alucab camper gets installed, it will be on the drivers side. If there is any chance in the future you will get a Canopy Camper/Modcap camper, buy the drivers side as it’s what is used for those campers.
@@IndependenceOverland thank you! That is exactly what I needed to hear.
Rig looks good. How much weight do you think you've added to your rig?
Probably 600lbs loaded I’d assume. Since it came with armor from the factory, my tent, rack and the gear is the only weight I’ve added. Plus the rear seats were removed.
How about taking the back crossbar all together will that help with the noise?
It should, as that piece is some of the only plastic and it’s vibrating at high speeds.
@independenceoverland how responsive does the power train feel with the larger tires? loaded down and unloaded?
Very slightly slow. I can still pass people going up a Colorado pass with the trailer connected. These power trains are sooooo good.
What do you think about Trailer (TetonX) on White Rim Trail.. Driving/camping the trail has been on my list..
It would be fine, just make sure and have some recovery boards in case some soft sand gives you any fuss. The switchbacks would probably be the hardest part. Keep an eye on in the next week or two for the second episode, we get into a little bit softer stuff that took a bit more effort!
Thanks Bill!
What are your thoughts on running a 99lb wheel and tire combo on components designed for roughly 60% of that weight? Not to mention the added moment of inertia from the larger diameter. Combine that with the high torque output from the hybrid system and that could be a massive strain on your driveline components under load. Do you have any concern with breaking components in remote locations given the much added risk you’ve created? Is it worth the trade off of ground clearance? It does look cool though. It reminds me of jeep wranglers where they can basically bolt up 37s nearly bone stock, but if they actually wheel them the drivetrain can’t hang.
Bro, chill dude.
My thoughts on running it in the remote places I have has been that it’s great. People who drive like dumbasses can break anything. People who drive slow and steady (like I do) can get away with an awful lot. People were known to blow up the 2007 Fj diff with an unloaded truck on 33s. I did a lot of trails on 33s, fully loaded and never had an issue. I did end up upgrading my diff for good measure, but that’s besides the point.
That’s kind of why the crawl control is useful, I believe it can prevent a lot of these risks. Also, these trucks now have bigger differentials to deal with the power. Also, stronger CV and are designed for higher angles under power. So we will see.
So in a nutshell, to answer your passive aggressive comment. My thoughts are: it’ll be fine. 🙃
@@IndependenceOverlandhaha I’m not trying to be passive aggressive but objective about the engineering. This new truck makes a ton of torque at low rpm, and sure driving style makes the biggest difference. I think part of why older Toyotas did well with larger tires is because they made such low power. Especially at elevation with naturally aspirated motors. Now you have turbos and hybrids that make a ton more power with arguably weaker components according to some engineers. Anyways I do hope your wheeling is trouble free, but I just wanted to add my 2 cents because people are more concerned with tire clearance than the physics.
Roger that. Yeah I actually talked about it in one of my past videos. Toyota drivers have never been used to having torque before, so hopping up rocks (like a good friend of mine has done a time or two) is really asking for it.
In that video I mentioned that I think in those situations, people mah have to get used to the idea of letting the crawl control so it’s thing, because it will certainly save you from that sort of destruction. Some people find it to be a gimmick, but so far I have found it to be pretty useful.
@@IndependenceOverlandyeah that’s fair, I think just being aware of the scenario is the most important thing. It can be easy to want to “bump up” or “gun it” especially with some spotters out there yelling it at you haha I’m sure you’ve been there. I mean we’re talking about more than double the torque to the wheels at altitude compared to the FJ, combined with more mass at the leverage point of the hub. Playing it safe is probably best. Nice thing about tires is that you can switch them up if they cause issues. Best of luck with the setup and sorry if I came off rude, just curious on your thoughts being a form follows function guy. 🍻
@@brochilldude - Toyota knew everyone would add bigger tires and made the wheel wells big enough for it - also what evidence is there that the components used in this truck aren’t up to the task?
Yes!! 🙌
Funny thing that I drove in that exact 15:52 place with my stock SR5
Yup, White Rim isnt that crazy. Your stock SR5 will not even come close to going some of the places this truck will be going soon though.
Thanks for the update. Do you know the brand of the PPF?
Xpel
@@IndependenceOverland Cheers!
@@IndependenceOverland - I did partial PPF on my TH - did you notice your ppf damaged from rocks at the front of your rear fender - basically the bed quarter panel closest to the back door ?
Great video, thank you! I recently got a Tacoma TRD Pro - now have a MORRFlate - is there a more convenient place to hook up the dual compressor than lifting up the back seat? Thank you!
Does it just have the clip ends to attach it to the battery? You can pop the hood, and on the passenger side under the fuse panel is a big red lug. Flip that over and it is a + battery source. Then you hook the ground to the metal bracket to the side of the engine (this is the ground the manual says to jump start from so it’s fine) and the compressor will kick right on.
Mud tires would do well in deep snow, but awful on ice (especially on tarmac). Surprised you went with such a wide tire- would have thought you try 255/85R17 after Tinkerers video on wide vs skinny tires.
I may do that once I switch back over to an AT, just to get a little more MPG back. But if I’m not mistaken, I believe the end conclusion for Kai’s video was that the wider tire did have more traction. Perhaps I am remembering incorrectly.
@IndependenceOverland what I recall was just that he had to air down more to get the additional coverage for that traction
@@jbcope1000 Kinda yeah, but you had to air down a wide tire so much more that it wouldn’t be realistic to do because you could easily break a bead (under 10psi).
@brandonedwards4398 been awhile since I watched it, thanks. He said you basically needed bead locks to benefit.
I went with 11.5 wide, not much wider than stock.
You can only use the Zarges cases as a table if you are tall.
Was a lift kit or any trimming necessary to get the 35s to fit?
For the Trailhunter I needed +35 offset wheels, to remove the front mudflaps, and the front body mount cover plates. That’s it.
Could you tell me the name of the paint shop that did the PPF in Grand Junction?
Absolutely, it’s Finish Line Custom Detailing.
On 35, do you need to re-gear?
No, haven’t even given thought to it really. Doesn’t seem necessary at all. The guys at Dessent offroad have 38s on their Landcruiser (same powertrain/transmission) and they weren’t regeared either.
Turbo PLUS Hybrid => No need to regear for 35
Did you PPF all painted surfaces + lights or just the front areas?
The entire front and parts of the rear. The rear fender right behind the cab is a rock magnet since these things are so wide. I wish I had more done right there.
How much was the PPF treatment?
It was on screen. Close to 5k
KMC wheels also offer bead retention technology FYI
I didn’t know that. Which wheels? I don’t see much about it in their page.
I don’t know the complete list but I do think they should offer a page like your link to the method website. If you look at the KMC range, you’ll find the bead retention literature if you scroll down.
Would you be willing to tell your bronze wheels that come with your Tacoma ?
Yes, I plan to but I cant just yet. One of these has a bit of rock rash on it.
@@IndependenceOverland is the rock rash bad ??
How are you gonna keep your stuff dry when it rains
Alucab Modcap camper
I put 35s on my 4th gen mud tires. Rides like crap. I should of got all terrains
Once the lugs wear down a little it gets slightly better. But yeah, MTs aren't ideal for comfort on the highway. But on gnalry off-road trails they pay off.
How much does it cost PPF?
It was on screen. Close to 5k
Are your 35/1250 on 18 inch wheels?
17s
@@IndependenceOverland I have the OR IforceMax Hybrid that came with 18 inch wheels. I appreciate the response.
The OEM suspension is going to be screaming with the weight of those 35s. The Tacoma running gear isn’t that robust.
What? The tires are unsprung weight. Has nothing to do with suspension aside from clearance.
@@IndependenceOverland wheels and tires are rotational mass when in motion. 1# of unsprung weight is equal to ~an additional 8# of added mass.
@@scotw67Still wouldn't affect suspension. The new hybrid motor puts out plenty of torque to handle the 35s weight.
Clarification: Braid wheels has also a tire bed grip technology in their off-road rims.
Also they have 2 bed lock technologies for the off-road wheels
Awesome thank you, I am learning about new brands. I appreciate it!
Why not tell us what the PPF cost "specifically?" A range of $3500 - 8000 isn't much help...
Because different people are watching this from different areas. In Missouri where cost of living is cheap, shop rates might be 100 bucks an hour. In Colorado a lot of places are like 185 an hour.
Careful closing that aluminum hood with the struts. You don’t want to taco the soft aluminum hood when closing it.