Human-Covenant Hybrid Ships - Lore and Theory
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 13 ก.ย. 2024
- In this episode: We take a closer look at one of the more peculiar happenings of the human covenant war. The Gettysburg-Ascendant Justice.
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How Johnson got home is classified you shouldn’t be telling people
That's a court martialin'
Classified my ass
You can forget those adjustments to your A2 scope!
Well, he’s in a particular fine mood.
Don't forget ;), all the books are the black "smudges" ;)
"All modern UNSC ships had been designed with hardpoints on their dorsal and ventral sides in the event that they were too crippled to move under their own power. In theory, another UNSC ship could dock, lock systems, and carry the wounded ship away.
The Covenant flagship had a similar series of hardpoints on its top side where ships too large to fit in its launch bay could dock.
The two systems, however, were incompatible.
Cortana fixed that. She activated the seven service drones on the Gettysburg, and instructed the Covenant Engineers within the outer hull of Ascendant Justice to secure the docking points mating the two ships and adapt their power uplinks."
-Eric Nylund, Halo: First Strike (Definitive Edition), Page 253
Welp there we go.
I'm honestly surprised Installation 00 missed that, I figure he looked through the book and especially that part as research for this video.
squirting crap loads of airfix glue thus fusing the two craft together with a force greater than love
@@geoffvador 😗👌
who knew the covvies had flextape...
The thought of a Huragok popping in a vacuum made me shed a tear...
covenant popcorn XDDD
They wouldn't pop. That's just not how venting an atmosphere works.
@@tales9476 Except he explained why they would pop when the atmosphere was vented... huragoks use internal air sacs to float around... sacs whose pressure would suddenly become greater than the exterior pressure cause the internal air to expand violently... and boom... popped huragok
@@fubar9629 The issue is, the maximum pressure difference would be 1atm; That's hardly a pressure-bomb. The likely result would be either gradual venting/seepage, or , since the details of Huragok biology are a bit foggy, it may be the case that the organs /mechanisms used to modulate the air-sacs would either rupture/fail, which while undoubtedly painful, and potentially crippling, would likely not be lethal, as once no longer bound by a pressure vessel, the gas could very easily permeate body tissue without dealing any substantial damage.
@@tales9476 so in other words their airholes would rip 🤔🤔🤔🤔
I still think engineers somehow surviving and doing their magic is the most likely scenario.
"'Got all those Covenant Engineers rounded up on B-Deck,' Sergeant Johnson announced. 'Slippery suckers.'"
-Eric Nylund, Halo: First Strike (Definitive Edition), Page 401
Maybe Covenant ships have closed-loop safe rooms that can accommodate Huragok and other species in the event of atmospheric venting.
It's surprising that such a feature wouldn't be applied to an entire ship, though.
@@ethanwagner6418 Im not sure Engineers need to breath...they arent technically "alive".
Its a guess tho
@@KillerOrca as Installation 00 said, they do need atmospheric pressure so they don't pop.
It should also be noted that in Halo: Contact Harvest, a Huragok was able to provide an Unggoy with breathable methane after the grunt's breathing system failed. I'm guessing the engineer should at least be able to process air, and they may even depend on it.
Huragok can also eat, so once again, they are perhaps not that different from natural organisms.
@@autumngottlieb3071 Ok so they did survive like I remembered. The forgotten heroes of this entire story.
this ship sounds like a pile of Jenk held together by weaponized Luck
Yes
Nick Shaffer
My new warship: SAV WEAPONIZED LUCK
So it's like an Ork ship from Warhammer 40k?
@@xXbrokenvoidXx needs more Dhaka
chef was on bord of corse it worked
Looking back at First Strike, I'm honestly surprised that Cortana's modifications to Ascendant Justice's weapons systems have never come up again.
Yeah they were significantly powerful but with the major draw back of a very long recharge time and damage to the weapon though extended use. But its interesting on how the covenant despite reverse engineering forunner tech still only have a limited knowledge of how it works and don't use it to its full extent.
The recharge time issue was due to the somewhat inefficient plasma distribution system. Cortana considered the power network crude, Poorly designed and the fusion reactors primitive compared to what they could be capable of.
Those lances, were they basically the ones seen from the sniper ship from the first battle of Reach, just adapted to something that wasnt purpose built for it?
Plus as a ship designated mostly for engineers, it was probably outfitted with hardware that might have been more receptive for those modifications.
i'm not a fan of people making these books canon. half the stuff in them is shown to have not happened or is just silly.
@@MrChickennugget360 the books have always been canon.
It's annoying how Will-043 is the only character without plot armour/an appearance in games that survived First Strike... and he gets yeeted into oblivion in Ghosts of Onyx.
Also, to quote Podcast Evolved: "Halsey is now going for round 2 of kidnapping the Spartan-IIs... and she gives no fucks."
I have always liked Will for some reason. Atleast he got a badass death in Ghosts of Onyx. He ripped apart a hunter with his bare hands and made the Covenant surrounding him completely freeze up in shock.
Will was apart of Blue Team w/ Fred, and Linda that got redirected to go to Onyx from the fight on Earth.
@@AlaskaBvR I know.
Will was a SPARTAN II to the end. He embodied the definition of what a SPARTAN should and be able to do. He was there for his fellow SPARTANS and blue team when they needed him. Going so far to sacrifice himself to save his teammates. I always admired him.
The Gettysburg and the Ascendant Justice
The Romeo and Juliet of the Halo universe
are you shipping ships now
ENCHANTMEN so it seems
I think they said that in the book
The ship has sailed!
Getty's Justice!
More like the "Discovery-Leonov" from 2010: The year we made contact. Two ships made by the US and the Soviet engineers both are foreign in their designs to eachother but still somehow similar because the blueprints were made by human minds and we all share the same ideas.
This idea of sharing basic functions in designs and theories could be produced by seperate alien species since everything would be designed to function within the same environment. Different yet similar enough.
First Strike needs to be made into a game.
I agree, but they will have to clarify that the book's descriptions override the game's depictions whenever a conflict presents itself. And the needs of gameplay *will* cause conflicts to present themselves.
@@autumngottlieb3071 have the cutscenes match and then you can just go eh gameplay reasons.
Like The Maw in CE. The level is longer than the autumn
Exactly.
Yes
TheSunkenCommander contact with Installation 04 likely made it bigger on the inside.
Lol
On the matter of the Covenant boarding craft being able to mate with the PoA's escape pod bays, I think that can be explained away by the UNSC having a standard escape pod system on all ships, which the Covenant adapted their boarding craft to target.
It simply doesn't make sense for the Autumn to have an entirely unique system, especially given that it had just come out of a major overhaul that would most likely have ensured that the escape systems were up to standard. As such if the Autumn was using the standard UNSC escape pod system, and Covenant boarding craft were configured to latch on to those escape pod bays then it really wouldn't be that much of a leap of logic. The Covenant would have more than enough UNSC warship wreaks to pick over and analyze for weak spots. And given the placement of these escape pod bays would lack the meters of armour plating across the rest of a standard UNSC ship close to key ship systems in order to allow the crew in those sections to escape the ship, it's likely that the Covenant simply analyzed the wreaks of the UNSC ships they had destroyed, figured out the significance of the placement of those escape pod bays and modified their dropships to mate with those locations. It makes a lot more sense than it just being a coincidence, and would be a lot easier than just boring through meters of armor plating just to enter a random part of a hostile ship.
Actually in canon the pillar of autumn was sent out originally to steal a covenant ship with a prophet in it, and hold them for ransom against the enemy; basically finding a means to get some stalemate or foothold in the war w/o heavy casualty.
Obviously that all changed in the fall of reach and the pillar of autumn had to make a blind jump to escape, which lead to the catalyst that caused the fall of the covenant.
@@spartz117 And if the ship was tasked with such a valuable mission, then preparations would have been made in order to ensure that the crew would have been able to abandon ship if the need arose. You don't want the thing you took such a big risk acquiring going down with the ship afterall. And even if the escape pods had been missed out in the 2552 overhaul, her prior recommissioning in 2550 as a support vessel would have ensured that the vessel's escape pod system would be brought up to standard.
@@joshmorton3392 Fair enough on that regard
But the idea, that mjolnir and nanolaminate can be welded together, is very interesting.
any boarding craft should be built to dock with many different apparatus. otherwise what good is is?
they used flex tape to attach the ships to eachother
Penis Man and covered the tape with flex seal
Wait wait wait, your name is Penis man?
Ha!
I saw this boat in half
damn, Halsey really did those rebels dirty
Eh, they rebels. Not the UNSCs problem really
@@AdamantLightLP same as the rebels could have left everyone stranded and unrepaired... not their problem really
The rebels assisted as fellow humans, she gave them the middle finger and ran off, worse had the forerunner crystal destroyed instead of sending back to headquarters. The admiral did the final insult and the incoming covenant fleet finished it off. (Late reply ik😜)
@@AwankO While I do think that the rebels should be just killed or arressted and branded as traitors. They did end up helping the UNSC if not for political reasons, they did it because of their humanity. So while I think Halsey isnt in the wrong for just leaving them, I do think it was a douche move to do that.
I would love to see a movie or an anime series out of fall of reach, the flood, and first strike.
Make the books games
No anime Halo
Shadow Guardian why the is already halo legends?
@@brucewester1656 yeah but in my opinion anime is cancer
@@shadowguardian3612 Anime is fine, but there is alot of trash anime.
This comes from comes who has watched more than 200 series......
If you aren't into anime, watch Psycho-Pass, that show is fantastic and is completely different than most, just pirate it.
The Great Destroyer already quoted how the hardware of the ships was compatible. When we consider how it is that reactors generate "energy" it's not difficult to believe that human and covenant ships could have compatible power systems. Basically a reactor, fusion or fission, generates heat which excites or expands a different medium. The expansion of that medium moves a Turbine/Dynamo... Different designs have more or less step, but the end result is the same; Electricity. Using the basic principles of a modern reactor it seems likely to me that the Covenant Plasma Reactor uses plasma as the heated medium to produce electricity.
I know in the books it does say that the Covenant reactors produce superheated plasma for their ships weapons, but considering that the medium is not consumed in generation of electricity the superheated plasma could just be a repurposed byproduct.
Though the process is different in both cases electricity is the end result.
Just another fun fact about the crew capacity of the Covenant Cruisers and UNSC Frigates:
* UNSC Light Frigates - 100 to 150 total crew
* UNSC Heavy Frigates - 150 to 200 total crew
* Covenant Light Cruisers - 1,000 to 1,500 total crew
* Covenant Heavy Cruisers - 2,000 to 2,500 total crew
Just thought I might share another fun fact for another Installation00 video. :)
I personally would love to see a video speculating on why Covenant ships are always so much larger than their UNSC counterparts.
@@autumngottlieb3071 exactly!
@@autumngottlieb3071 I would say it's because the covenant ships were way older, sometimes hundreds of years old. For humanity they were rushing to build as many ships as they could during a war they were losing. Look at it like the Germans building heavy tanks in ww2 while other countries put as many tanks as they could make onto the battlefield, strength in number.
Autumn Gottlieb there are covie ships smaller than unsc ships :)
@@ulty1472 Yeah. I should've said "on average" instead of "always."
First strike really deserves its own game.
I would say yes, but i want to wait for Infinite before I am willing to give 343 a full go ahead...
Been wanting one for years.
@@trinalgalaxy5943 same, I'm worried that 343 will find some avenue to just butcher the lore like they always have
It does sound cool, but I would prefer a game that’s story we DONT know get made. If they spend time on a new game, it should further the plot, not retell one. Then again, it would give us another shot at fighting by Johnson’s side so that might just be what convinces me
Im not sure if its only in the german version of the book but Cortana actually instructed the engineer to refit the dockingport so both ships can dock.
It is in the English version as well
I should learn a language other than English.
The combo ship should have been named Getys-justice!
Ghettisjuice?
Ascendant Gettysburg
Should’ve named it something like Autumn’s Vengeance.
From the way you described the two ships being combined, I got the impression that they were not 'seald' together as such, but rather bolted together so they wouldn't move relative to eachother and then temporary airlocks and power conduits strung between them...
Am I on the right lines or have I not been paying attention?
The right lines I think, I love the idea, to think of that mix, it’s just, amazing, think about what it could be like, they likely welded the nanolaminate and mjolnir together.
Excellent Video! Love to have it in the background while I Play With Stellaris with the Halo Mod!
while the two power systems seem incomparable at first, they are still grounded under the same laws of physics. it is possible that the Hard Points on the UNSC Frigate are also configured for the transfer of fusion plasma for the purposes of restarting a scrammed reactor or possibly directly to the ship's engines in order to maintain a balanced thrust profile of two docked ships. With some tweaking this plasma feed system could be used to feed plasma from a UNSC Reactor (which was more efficient with a higher output for it's size) into the plasma energy distribution system of a Covenant ship
This is an aspect I feel if often overlooked in sci-fi world building. with the exception of high end super technology (virtually indistinguishable from magic) physics and function will usually result in technologies similar enough to be understood and adaptable between different races because they are meant to do the same things.
Was/Is the Flood Gravemind aware of Master Chief holding the Iso-Didact geas?
Honestly 3 things you said made sense to me.
1
Convergent civilizations, in other words covenant most of convergent devolp the same technology, and to be fair it is possible. Also you have to take in account that if they evolved with out fouruner technology. They would be ether at the same level of technological advancement as humans, or still be 100 to 1000 years more or less advanced than humans, but still have to follow the same laws of physics.
2
Fouruners knew that humans were going to fight the convenant. So giving them Gene songs saying build the same technology.
3
Or fouruner tech is the same as humans technology.
There is a forth, and proof lyes in the glassing capability of the convenant.
4
The convenant is worp-e-shing human, and fouruner technology, and can't tell them apart.
I think the forerunners destroyed most if not all ancient human technology during the human-forerunner war so that humans could not easily re-evolve back into a high tech civilization.
Perhaps since the war has been raging for over 20 years, humanity has had time to study convienent tech. This also might mean that engineers and knowledgable soldiers knew enough about convienent ships and electronics to force a solution.
Thanks for the concept art of the setup. The Nylund books are my favorite and i’ve always wondered about how they’d look and the scaling of the ships
Never thought of it, fascinating
Magnetic clamps to keep ships in place or literally drilled holes and bolt them together, no welding necessary. Flexible air tight membranes for air locks.
This isn't all too sci-fi or unusual. I mean, look at biohazard quarantine equipment of today. Plastic sheets attached to a building's door and lead it to a hazmat responder's door frame, along with other air pressure and sanitation equipment, a air lock is built.
I think the ships in Firefly/Serenity uses flexible airtight membranes for ship-to-ship docking. They basically shrink wrap the membranes to fit the other ship's air lock.
As for the energy compatibility I have no idea, but for the airlock compatibility I have one. I think in that book someone said that the covenant doesn't have standardised ships and every ship is buildt by different groups and thus different (I don't remember the specifiects I've read it a long time ago), but because their technology is so advanced their ships are still compatible with each other. Maybe it means, for example the airlocks are reconfigurable to different sizes and forms.
You should do a theory video as a sequel to this as how older UNSC and covenant ships could have been fused and refit together into new era Alliance ships to compete with modern standards.
What kind of material are Forerunner ships made of and how is it so durable compared to Titanium A or Covenant ship armor?
I could be wrong but I don't think it ever been said but I do know it a hell of lot stronger than T A or cov armour seeing as a single super MAC could one shot all human and cov ships (the cov supercarrier might take 2 shots also infinity could take more) with shields but not a forerunner vessel without shields, Halo 4 mantles approach was hit with series-8 MAC from infinity after chief took a section of the shield and didn't really do that much damage, just a hole big enough for Chief to get into.
The series 8 MAC on infinity is suppose to be as strong if not stronger than the SMAC although there is augment that that a spaceship like infinity couldn't carry power requirements that space station dedicated to a SMAC has seeing as a SMAC needs it to have it generators planet side because there too large.
But the fact remains even if you could get pass forerunner shield tech using only human and covenant spaceships they still have one hell of hard time getting pass forerunner armour compared to there own ships which as soon as the human or cov shields are down it doesn't take much seeing as 1 or 2 frigate size MAC is enough to cripple most human and cov ships and the frigate size MAC is a pee shooter compared with the SMAC or the series 8 MAC
@@shadowphoenix1696
If I were to the 200 gigaton per shot and above Turbolasers, mass drivers, and ion guns from Star Wars the Expanded Universe could I be able to damage a Forerunner ship significantly?
@@thorshammer7883 I would think so because if I remember correctly the super MAC fire a 3000 ton round at 4% the speed of light and each shot needs 51.6 gigitons of energy. So I say yes.
But the star wars EU has massively overinflated turbolaser and the likes because if the film version had that power there be no need for the Death star as the star destroyer's could just one shot any ship in star wars and was showed in the EU to quickly bombarded a planet with a small handful of ships wiping out all life on the planet (I think).
I ll admit my star wars EU knowledge is third hand and just when I thought I should get into them Disney de-canonize most off them and now I just don't were to start.
Star wars is better classified as science fantasy rather than sci fi. Very, very soft and relies on what "feels" right. That's subjective for every author.
The best most of the lore folk have been able to come up with is one of the following.
1) turbolasers and the like lose coherence, and therefore power, over range. In space, they have to deal with super durable materials and shields on the far end, making effective range relatively short. While you could use railguns and the like to get around this (and some in the lore have, mostly with no success) they skip off shields for the most part, and the high maneuverability allowed by the ship designs in star wars allow any ship to dodge a railgun shot at any extended range. Atmosphere quickens the loss of coherence in turbolaser shots, degrading them to a rave based artillery barrage by the time it hits the ground. Still capable of immense damage given time. Thrawn, notably, boiled a large body of water, raising its level to drown out a particularly resilient bunker.
In this model, you can absolutely render a planet uninhabitable given enough time. This is referred to in the lore as a base delta zero. But while the planet is glassed, this cannot pound through strong planetary shields or into extremely well fortified and sealed bunkers.
2) the power levels are exaggerated greatly.
@@Lightwolf_VR why is star wars using railguns instead of coilguns, I know the RG and CG are practically the same weapon but the CG does have one advantage that RG doesn't therefore making it a better weapon.
The choice to abandon the Rebel base during the second attack was a bit cruel but justified. Even if they stayed even a few minutes to take on only women and children first, they would've been obliterated. The Rebels merely drew the short stick to make a sacrifice for the greater good of humanity and be the distraction.
I cannot describe how much I love watching these videos, I learn so much and they are just so enjoyable!!!
I was listening to a video by SameToken, and he mentioned in the video that during the events of Halo 2, the UNSC in Amber Clad was primed and ready to explode around the time Chief and Cortana separated. Is that true and is it possible you could do a theory video on how the story would have changed had Cortana destroyed the Halo ring?
You mean high charity?
I would love to see a NOVA Bomb Most Detailed Breakdown
Linda was spared the horror of seeing the flood. She got lucky with that at least
Correct me if I'm wrong, but: when the prophet of Regret slipspaced in atmosphere, and Forward Unto Dawn perused, shouldn't the covenant have noticed them jumping in the portal right behind them? Considering slipspace works with calculating mass, shouldn't the pilots aboard the covenant ship have noticed a difference when Miranda jumped in behind?
Your not wrong but they most likely either considered them unimportant or that they just wanted to get with the second halo they found, the. Their is how the covenant work their arrogant and have really good tech especially with their shields and plasma weapons, thus they most likely noticed mate just didnt care they did after all were controlling a cas class assualt carrier which can destroy a fleet or two of human war ships with a skilled commander or a brute ship which are more armoured so regret didnt care for the humand he wanted halo
@@Tired-Merc that's what doesnt make sense to me. If the covenant was obviously superior, why would they wait to get to Delta Halo knowing that The Demon was hunting Regret? I think that's a plot hole.
@@DigitalDNA they didnt know the ship carried the demon they thought it was another ship seeking revenge
@@Tired-Merc as likely. I find that hard to believe.
@@DigitalDNA why regret must of heard from his troops they were being pushed back by a spartan a demon and after the scarbs defeat he probably retreated or made a random jump so the human fleet dont kill him, heck even if they noticed the autumn they woudnt have cared their aliens who have superior tech a frigate has no danger to a cas assault carrier one of the strongest ships the covenant can field a small frigate holds no worry
When all other theories seem inadequate, there's always plot armor to use as an explanation.
Considering that the human covenant wat has been going for nearly 30 years, it’s very possible that the covenant adjusted their ships to dock human vessels in order to board. The forerunner explanation as well as the humanoid shape of san’shyuum, sangheilli, and humans could also explain the similarity in door dimensions
Considering I just finished The Flood on Audible... I was wondering what my next one was gonna be. Looks like First Strike is next lol
Very interesting, I knew about forerunner and human hybrids but didn't think they had convenient hybrids
The problem with nuclear fusion is containment, namely of the heat produced. It’s a miniature star. As long as both systems can take the heat, or at least make a sort of symbiotic use of each ships cooling systems. it could work.
Nice videos man, very well made.
Ancient humans and the covenant leadership species, use to work together, so yeah they shared technology, and re-emerges humanity has a similar technology!
Not very related but I noticed something at 13:54. Look to the left side of your screen up towards the dark part of the ring. Those look like lights from modern cities! Has this been noticed before?!
Maybe a band of ancient humans survived and evolved of the vast amount of time to form cities that still remain! I’d say the were forerunner lights but if that we’re the case, you’d see them in the middle of the screen were night had recently fallen as well.
(Edit: I’m using my 4K TV to see this, it’s a little difficult to see with my phone)
the reason for both ships being compatible should the human gears. the forerunners left organic orders to the humans the would pass on for generations his orders dictated the development of technology and direction insuring humans would move in a compatible path to forerunners technology and inherited it. and when you remember the covenant technology is built to mimic forerunners it wouldn`t be hard for them to be compatible with each other.
Wouldn’t the dumb AI systems in the covenant ship start to work and interact with the human ship once it was connected? That would make sense to me as to why they would work together seamlessly.
Here's my take: I can completely see how the docking ports of the two ships would be of vaguely similar size. After all, our species are vaguely similar in size. Given my knowledge of my fathers time in the Navy as an engineer, I'd say they welded the two ships together or fabricated a go-between of some kind. As far as energy, I'd assume it took some serious ass-pulls from some very smart nuclear technicians on-board Gettysburg to pull that off.
I'd assume that we might be underestimating what a machine shop found aboard a UNSC ship can fabricate. It's possible that with help from the Hurrigok that adapter plugs could've been made from plast-isteel 3D printing or any other high-end fabrication machines available aboard both the Accendent Justice and Gettysburg.
Forgot to mention how the Covenant laser that ripped apart the human ship in the 'give back their bomb' scene in Halo 2 was actually INVENTED by Cortana using human math on the Covenant ship plasma weapon, while piloting the Getty'sburg-Ascendant Justice.
A Covenant AI observed her do this, and leaked information about the new plasma beam (previously Covenant ship turrets fired shots not unlike charged plasma pistols) and the ability to jump in a planet, also unheard of before.
Cortana, with one broken down ship, changed the shape of the human-Covenant war, BETWEEN GAMES.
I thought it was using its glassing beam
@@fossilizedanimals5503 it looks like it, but you can tell otherwise because the width of the beam, and that it comes off the top of the cruiser not the bottom.
Also a glassing beam would evaporate most of a UNSC destroyer, not blow a hole through it and light the whole thing on fire.
@@MakutaNazo power settings/it takes time to get to full strengrh. Like in halo wars
@@fossilizedanimals5503 well yes but even at minimum strength, the blast radius of a capitol ship glassing beam is larger than that of a typical unsc destroyer. This wasn't a smaller vessel like a cruiser or destroyer, that ship was a CHONKER carrier ship, second largest vessel the convenant has at it's disposal.
@@MakutaNazo and so it would full blast a cruiser while in the middle of a battle?
It's not just this story. It's in the games. Cortana was able to be plugged into High Charity, and the Halo installations.
It's likely that as the human-covenant war waged on, technology was developed by the UNSC to be compatible with thr Covenant's. That way hacking, highjacking, and maybe espionage (e.g. sending a virus to Covenant ships a la Independence Day to disable them) could take place. Since a lot of Covenant technology was based on the Forerunners, it also explains why Cortana could be plugged into the Halo installations as well.
Thanks for the refresher on halo first strike, haven’t read that book in years
That escape story would have been an epic tutorial level of halo 2.
I’d like to see a mod for MCC or a small expansion campaign for it from 343 using Halo 1/2 assets.
That Librarian thought of everything I guess
Why didn't the Covenant adopt Mac guns for their ships to give them the range and destructive advantage against the Orbital mac guns?
Who needs mac guns when you have plasma lances.
Also using human tech heresy
No?
Enclave Yeah Also they could have just make a pin point accurate slipsace jumps behind the orbital mac guns. The fact they didn’t probably tells something about their tactics, religion and culture overall.
I don’t see they being open to the idea of using mac weapon against humans.
Because plasma lances and plasma torpedoes are better.
Well first your comparing a orbital instillation being fed by massive power generators plant-side, the power generated by the engines on a ship
are on totally different scales from one another. It would be like comparing the diesel engine of a bus to a nuclear power plant., the power generated
is incomparable.
Second the Covenant did show off a long-range plasma weapon during the fall of Reach that was able to snipe ships of the fleet
from outside the firing range of the Orbital Mac Arrays.
Third the Covenant did not use human weaponry with reports from Master Chief and others that elite warriors who had run out of ammo for their plasma weapons
continued fighting bare-handed rather than use a loaded human rifle laying beside them.
At least those are the 3 most obvious reasons I can give you off the top of my head.
By far My favorite book in the series
The Book explain the docking modification done by Huragarks
While I too was surprised when I read that part in the book, I remembered that Humanity and the Covenant both use Slipspace for FTL travel, just with different speeds. How did two separate factions, separated by how many lightyears, still use the same methods of travel? Then when Halo 4 came out, and the Librarian mentioning that the reason for Humanity's tech base being as it is was because of her messing with our ancestors, it just became more easier to believe (no need to mention the Covenant, we all know where they got their tech from).
I also remembered how during the land battle for Reach, one of the Spartans somehow knew how to pilot Covenant vehicles (a tank I think) despite never having any training beforehand. He just knew instinctively knew after looking at the controls for a few seconds.
I'm surprised he didn't say anything about how the long sword magically turned back into a pelican when they went to go get Linda
Yeah in the books it’s mentions cortana used maintenance drones and the engineers to for a lot of the ship repair and retrofit and they did get a lot assistance from the rebels . And last Johnson own words mentioned they had more than one engineer left and they where going to ONI and that how they got the reactor into the ship
The Ascendant Gettysburg
could it be explained by the Librarian? she tells Chief that its been many lifetimes of work. so she set things into motion so that Covenant and UNSC technology was compatible?
I do believe that the compatibility issues were addressed in the book
Honestly this was rare and less common during the human covenant war and really doesn't have a clear cut answer to. However it is not as surprising to see in the post human covenant war era to see. Simply because of the current Arbiters faction allied with humanity post great schism. Sure you may not see to the extent of fusing ship designs together. However there is some level of technology sharing among the 2 factions. As I do believe the UNSC Infinity uses reverse engineered covenant reactors to power the ship or at least for some of the reactors components. I don't remember for sure and I could be wrong. But even Halo 5 you see swords of sanghelios warthog with energy shield that shoots giant needler rounds lol. Again just a req for warzone to have have fune with. However Lore wise it makes sense has a place in the current timeline of the halo universe. So it is not unreasonable to see more human covenant hybrid tech these days at least given humanities alliance with the Elites or Sanghelii. But During the Human Covenant war that is baffeling to say the least and more stroke of luck than anything. But now human and covenant tech has designed to with integration in mind at least with Swords of Sanghelio's and the Arbiter. So it wouldn't surprise me at all to see a swords wraith tank be mounted with Scorpion 90mm cannon versus its standard plasma mortar or Scorpion that uses a plasma mortar instead of its traditional 90mm cannon. Now that would be some funny ass shit to see Lmao.
Drew Thatcher now those tanks are what I want to see
@@floxersadd4952 whether they are practical or not or look silly is another thing all together. But yes I can see UNSC and Swords tech being shared. Given warzone in halo 5 has a warthog with an energy shield that shoots heavy needler rounds with its chain gun lol. So making a scorpion tank that hovers wouldn't be surprising. But the real question would marines and spartans use a plasma mortar scorpion or wraith gun platform. As Elites and humanity are gonna to need an adjustment period to the tech changes if that did happen. Since hybrid tech is more attainable then during the war period.
Considering enemies don't share tech with enemies its just common sense to even attempt it during the war with stolen tech then UNSC made a huge achievement. But now that the covenant has been shattered and splinter groups have formed with Swords being one of them. And Since SOS is Allies with humanity and hoping that they do stay in spite of ONI's bullshit. It doesn't surprise me at all that they will share tech with each other. As the Arbiter is fully aware the human weapons are very effective against enemies and in a lot of ways more effective then advance plasma weapons. Hes for sure found the shotgun to one of his tools of the trade at least when fighting the flood it may be crude primitive compared to plasma weapons but it gets the job done. But that doesn't mean replacing plasma weapons all together now as they are good for taking shields down.
But human weapons are good for dealing the killing blows to foes or enemy vehicles and space ships. so complementing plasma with ballistic weapons is a great idea I think and it wouldn't be a shock to see some further development of hybrid tech outside of halo5's warzone maybe not as drastic as I suggested but its highly probable we shall see more of it which I think is just awesome lol.
Sorry for the ranting posts but that's just what I think lol and that indeed would be awesome to see.
The infinity uses reverse engineered forerunner technology.
@@yulfine1688 ah but the covenant have also used reverse engineered for runner tech to I think. So if wan't entirely correct in theory covenant and human tech have shown they are compatible to varying degrees or can integrate fairly well. I and maybe because some of the tech being forerunner in origin i guess. my point was during the height of the human covenant war it was rare site to see such hybrid tech. But post covenant human era you start to see hybrid covenant and human tech starting to become more common and the process becoming simplified.
However still not at a level of being easily mass produced but you started to see the UNSC and other private military corporations experimenting with such tech more even if was just only shown in halo 5 warzone but you got see reverse engineered promethian hard light tech as well as energy bayonets for weapons.
All though just to add variety to halo with warzone mode its still relevant lore wise to the halo universe which is interesting and a example humanities resilience and its drive to adapt to any situation in spite for the most part being rather young race compared to others post ancient human and forerunner wars.
Seldom is the most underappreciated Hurragok. Often overshadowed by Virgil.
Excellent video!
However I wonder, could you make a video on possible designs of human ships made with covenant tech?
With the covenant boarding craft on the pillar of autumn, i think the boarding ships don’t so much dock, as cut through the thinner bulk heads of the empty pod bays, rather than the thick armour
Is there a video about the Covenant ships? Mainly about the carriers? I always wondered the differences.
Considering humans and prophets once shared an empire and technology in the ancient past, it should come as no suprise that their modern day ships be somewhat compatible with each other.
Perhaps you can do more videos like this or go into more detail about this
This is very interesting and peculiar
Really enjoyed the video, I subbed!
IIRC cortana uses the fabrication drones from Gettysburg to weld the hardpoints together and also integrate the power systems
This could be a spin-off mission
I wonder if the compatibility is similar to how we see isolated ancient cultures on earth (Mayans and Egyptians, for example) making similar structures, such as the pyramids. Maybe the compatibility is simply due to that being the most efficient way to make things?
I think the best, ad more boring, explanation is "they didn't think that far ahead, and it had to work for plot reasons" Halo lore is almost always very well thought out, and in universe, is very good with continuity. But this was also fairly early on, likely it wasn't given as much of a thinking over as much of the other aspects of the series since the story called for it.
You forgot to mention that the Elite Commander Chief kicked off the Ascendant Justice was Thel Vadam'ee, the later arbiter.
I would actually love to see a genuine hybrid ship between the covenant and humanity. What would it look like and everything like in Star Trek online The klingon and star Fleet hybrid ship.
If the First Strike team managed to hijack the capital ship in the Fleet of Ascendant Justice, where was the Supreme Commander, Thel Vadam, also known as the Arbiter?
I always love how Halo lore you tubers take plot holes from Bungie and elaborate a believable in universe explanation.
I think they both co-developed. Though the Covenant has energy weapons, they both technologically were similar enough possibly because of Forerunner artifacts. I believe the Covenant had exposure to it alot longer than Humanity but still had almost a perfect parallel development of technology.
A similar problem I see is that human AI data chips things are seemingly 100% compatible with both covenant and forerunner interface ports.
Like just plug in without anny obvious interface medium though I have not read upp on the lore so there might be an explanation to why this is the case
I would like to think as the war progress. The Covenant was forced to re-engineer thier docking & boarding mechanisms to be compatible with Human ships, the Covenant on some level had to innovative a bit.
Couldn’t the covenant ships have the docking/carrying locks designed to carry the unsc ships? I don’t know much about whether or not the covenant did a lot of post battle salvaging, but that would give a purpose to atleast that particular ship having that ability, seeming as it was part of the fleet that attacked reach.
12:20 in the book that was reference that is exactly what she did so I don't see what the problem is in particular the power sources is more complicated
Yo I read this story you summarized in one of the books I think
Ancient humans combine their technology with the san'shyuum technology in order to fight the forerunner in the past, so I don't really see a problem when modern human technology being able to combine their technology with the covenant.
I wish this was campaign dlc
It was years since I read the book. But didn't Cortana adjust movable interlinking points on both ships to fit them to eachother?
No the answer to why the ships were capable is simpler. The Covenant would capture and interface with USN ships from time to time. So a universal docking attachment was put on Covenant ships to make that possible. Said attachment allowed power and data connection/transfers to facilitate Covenant intel operations. Its why the Cole Protocol worked, no captured ship had the data that lead to the center of the human star nation.
There is a hybrid human-alien ship. Its called the Normandy
Coming here tk figure out how to nick a covenant ship in our table top game. We just shot it down .
My favorite ship
I don't remember what book this was, but I read the whole book and it was great
First strike.
hey, is the Accendant Justice a type of carrier? I know it is not a super carrier or assault carrier, those are way too big. I think it is a DDS Class carrier. people that I know seem to make a mistake (not all the time) that the accendant justice was a battle cruiser.
Missed opportunity to not just call it the “Ascended Gettysburg”
One thing that always confused me is how they were able to use the Mac coils for the plasma weapons. Like what you were saying with docking, the coils had to perfectly match with the turrets to work right
Cortana used Engineers for the docks so they probably had a hand with the coils too
Just a random question... What is the theme that is used at the very end of the video? After so many videos, I'm ready to fall in love with the tune.
Can you please do a breakdown of Halo Reach Elite Ranger combat harness?
@Installation00 Could u do a video on how halo capital ships and fighters can maneuver in space as if it was an atmosphere?
I think some bad elements aside, this was the most fun (and the best) halo book to read