Master Chief is Not Lucky! - Lore and Theory
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 8 ก.ย. 2024
- In this episode: We look at the suggestion of Chiefs defining character trait as being luck, and how it most definitely isn't.
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You forgot One crucial moment: He survived the Library in Halo CE.
The ultimate trial of men
Indeed
Hell itself
Didn't matter what difficulty, Rocket Flood gave me nightmares.
On legendary?
I've always viewed the line about Chief being lucky is a stealthy way to lean on the fourth wall, referencing that Chief is the player character and therefore obviously he can't die (or rather, won't stay dead) as if he ever did die he will just respawn and try again, effectively rendering his death as something that never happened. If you viewed such a thing from the perspective of characters within the story, it would seem like divine luck, being able to respond to any situation, even completely unexpected ones, with perfect level-headed precision as if he had done it before.
Not just that, but think how many times the exact weapon you need is just lying around in the game. Stuff that is there for game design reasons would be incredibly lucky to happen in real life. So yeah, Chief's luck could very much be representative of being a player character in the video game. Bot only can he retry unlimited times until he wins, but the world itself is designed to make sure he has the tools available to overcome any given chalange.
Glad somebody else commented this so I didn't have to lol.
We (and the programmers) are his luck, i like it
TheWerdna you know the scarab level in halo 3? The missile launchers were always there and so were the marines yet they never shoot any covenant or their vehicles. Chief is sometimes just glorified due to the incompetence of others they never needed chief on that battle he just happened to “change the outcome”
but 343 ruined that when they had the librarian be the reason why hes "lucky"
I don't think that all these feats would be what the examples of luck are. The luck is that he stopped the bomb in halo two, from blowing up, being lucky, him arriving in the keyship just before the door closed, being lucky, the fact that he manages to find weaponry in areas where it would be scarce those, are examples of his luck. It's not his apparently insurmountable feats, its the little things.
General Internet great points!
What this guy said! lol
You’re right, it’s not luck. It’s called plot armour. Would you rather have Cortona say luck or plot armour ? I’m going with luck.
Agreed
@@professorsolo6484 it's a game either so what the creators say is canon. Luck is his lady all night.
The only real argument you can make for Chief being lucky is strictly in comparison to other Spartans. A lot of them died due to getting unlucky, being put into no-win scenarios, etc. So it less that Chief is lucky, and more than he hasn't been unlucky. As Cortana said, it was the one thing he had that none of the other Spartans had. Its not the only reason he's successful, but rather just that little extra push he needed to survive when most of the other Spartans did not. It's not that he has moments of crazy good luck that make all of his accomplishments, but that he instead is extremely lucky when it comes to the little things. In fact, gameplay stuff would probably be the best example of his luck: where no matter what challenge you face as him, you always have the tools you need. You can find the weapons needed just lying around. When you need a vehicle, there is always one there. That's how I imagine his luck working: tons of tiny little things going right, so much so that most people, not even Chief himself, realize it.
Not so. You know how many times I outwitted a sniper jackal and lived in Halo 2 LASO? Not that many.
Ghost Well, jackal snipers in Halo 2 were gate lords of hell and not even gods themselves were able to escape from their reticle...
this is true there as been a lot of stupid suicide mission scenarios or just poorly planned mission that they get tossed into and are expected to just make it work because they are Spartans.
The day I lost my faith in difficulty programming was the day I lined up a shot in Halo 2 to go through the Jackle's head, and the beam came out of the gun sideways to headshot me through my own scope >_>
Also, I rather like to think the 'luck' Cortana sees is the in universe perception of the player getting to try again until it all comes out right, and that big computer brain gets tied into knots wondering how he always threads the needle
Ask any veteran soldier what trait is the most valuable in prolonged conflict. Most will answer that it is luck. Luck that decides which soldiers live and which soldiers die. Skill, training, experience all of them are great, bit do not guarantee survival. Only chance chooses which soldiers live and which die. You're extremely intelligent, and look at the world largely from a scientific perspective. Speak to verteran soldiers, or even research what they have said bout war.
For example, why was Sam the one who died, instead of John? Sam was no less skilled or any less intelligent or well trained. Chance dictated which one of them was hit.
Yep, this should get upvoted. He might not really comprehend it but the universe has a funny way of playing cruel tricks of eventualities on ppl.
i feel this changes when you have the strength and reflexes of captain America but it still spplys
"Look at the world largely from a scientific perspective," is a stance that is, in my opinion, contra to what Halo has underlining it, namely belief. The series has always had a rather mystical and fantastic sort of atmosphere throughout, embodied by a lot of things such as Chief's content of luck, the Covenant belief, the majesty of Forerunner architecture & technology, marines' plucky attitudes in the face of almost surefire annihilation, the recurring appearance & relevance of Seven, Noble Team's Greek Hero aura and even Avery Johnson.
This atmosphere falls away when digging deep into the lore though, as reality naturally belies myth, but most other sci-fi IPs I've come across, such as Crysis, Wh40k, Mass Effect and even Gundam are generally quite saline and clinical in their presentation of worlds, in spite of supernatural elements, yet Halo, even a little under the skin, sparks so many emotions and ideas of fantasy reminiscent of when I read the Hobbit and classic sci-fi shorts of Mars that my belief in the characters' victory almost seems to drive them forward.
Not to say one shouldn't take that approach, since it does give great insight into how central and ancillary articles do and would likely work and this channel proves that works, but it can miss the mark when tackling elements that have never been explained satisfactorily in reality.
I don't really think the video definitively states Luck isn't a factor. And please don't take this comment as disagreeing with your statement, my Grampa served in Vietnam and he thanks his oversight at rifle maintenance as the luckiest thing that ever happened to him, 1 point off from being a marksman and being assigned to infantry, which probably ultimately led to him surviving his tour in the grand picture. I think this video highlights the more real aspects of John's training, augmentation, armor and bond with Cortana thus really only saying that it wasn't entirely luck that drove John's success as a soldier. Alot of John's "Luck" in halo 1 and 2 had more to do with Cortana being his intangible guardian angel. What I think the video is truly saying is that Master Chief basically makes his own luck by applying his skills and gear (Including Cortana) to extremely high risk high reward decisions.
If you watch Red Vs Blue the simulation troopers do alot of the same thing. Every enemy they face completely underestimates them, they play to their strengths which is be stupid as crap, and because their enemies are either over-expectant of stupid or expecting real tactical thought, the reds and blues whoop their ass. I think Chief wins most of his engagements the same way but from a different mental standpoint.
this "scientific perspective" is the one that has allowed morons like you to write ignorant comments on a computer and display it to every country on earth.
Master Chief is Not Lucky!
*Thumbnail shows thicc electronic girlfriend behind him*
She not thicc, that's slender.
@Jazz Feline Eh she's tangible now but still blue balls.
@@isaachinds3736 also blue b o o t y
"Luck is what happens when preparation meets opportunity." -Roman philosopher, Seneca the Younge.
This is the kind of luck Master Chief has. He was prepared for everything from a young age along with his adaptability to any situation.
True
i think it was the writing ... and the fact that he was a human controlled avatar in a game.. agaisnt poorly built AI with slighly better auto aim per difficulty level
@@richardalfaro4933
Halo's AI isn't bad at all, what are you talking about?
@@HandOfThemis halo has been garbage to play competitively after halo 2 .. the story has been okay
@@richardalfaro4933 The AI has nothing to do with competitive play though, and you're smoking some cheap dope if you think 3's competitive scene was bad.
343 have really fucked it up so far in just about every aspect possible, but don't try and shift that back onto Reach and 3.
I think them saying its LUCK is in a way just showing how much of an anomaly chief is, like its not literally that hes lucky but he cant even be put into words i suppose, so they just say luck
The Arbiter Relax, I rather not piss this thing off.
it is stated by the librarian that chiefs blood line was influenced by her when storing all species
He is literally Lucky
“If they kill you you’re better, if you kill them you’re better and if you kill me you’re better and if I kill you, I’m better”
Bungie wanted to hint that Chief was more than he appeared to be in the final game of the trilogy, like what was done in Marathon Infinity, only they weren't prepared to jump the shark or delve into metanarratives. And so we got the subtle tease that some unknown phenomenon made him stand out from the other spartans, something Cortana could measure, something that helped him defy the odds in a way that was measurable and distinct, but something she couldn't explain and so she labeled it "luck". Yes he is a well trained, and highly skilled soldier with experience, but so were the other spartans. "luck" explanations include: the librarians planning [ renegades deliberately casts doubt on this], the novikov self consistency principle in action, he is shrodingers super soldier, or manipulations from an unseen actor other than the librarian candidates including H-7, a precursor entity, or well....us and technically that third option isn't mutually exclusive.
Ghostvirus Well said...
Personally I'm going with a time travel theory. Guilty Spark was never mad: the Chief simply went back in time, and was the one who activated the Halos. Therefore, all his actions (and luck) were due to a causal loop that required him to go back in time in order for the events of the Halo games to exist.
Maybe the luck isn't in MasterChief, but just the player drying over and over again till they get it right making it appear in the games timeline that everything that needed to happen rightly happened
The idea that John is lucky originated from him being able to, even at a young age, even before his military training, succeed at difficult and intricate tasks.
When he could look at a coin with his base reaction time and correctly guess "Eagle!" or the opposite..
Surviving the Spartan 2 program when other children with similar genetics could not do the same..
Starting as a Lone Wolf.. but being able to see his error and focus his efforts on his teammates with or without guidance of his superiors.
John calculated each drop he made but there are always other unknown factors that can get in the way of calculated maneuvers, even for AI.
THIS is what makes him lucky.
Succeeding through the unknown factors.
Surviving through the chaos.
Keeping a clean and focused mind even when you're being framed as the bad guy as your AI companion turns against you.
John is still able to make mistakes even as a super human.
He creates his own luck if anything. He is embodiment of "Who dares Wins" and 100.000 years of preparation and billions of people's (not only humans) work.
Jan Negrey this is really embodied by the giving the covenant back their bomb scene. In any ordinary situation this would be suicide, but in taking the chance, he single handedly took down an entire covenant ship. He dared, and he won. There are so many other times he does this, like when he attacks the unyielding hierophant in first strike, and when he boarded the forerunner ship in halo 2.
Creating his own luck is an ongoing joke between Halsey and John, so I'd say that's accurate
I would like your comment, but its sitting at 117..
@@xAy3x Fair enough. Perhaps check in a week? ;) Someone is bound to overlook this unfortunately - I know TH-cam all too well.
But thanks for commenting.
Lmao split lips aren't "people" humanity first.
That's nice and all, but he won the literal coin flip Dr. Halsey used to pick the candidates for the S-II program.
Luck is a combination of preparedness and execution. Spartans are as close to perfect executors as we can get, and their training and equipment meant their preparedness was superb. John being the test bed for Mark 7 wasn't luck, but the given upgrades were lucky to include the atmospheric entrance upgrades. The missile fired at him on the test run with Cortana proves that their compatibility was unique, and luckily, able to overcome a situation that a less compatible duo might have failed. John's encounter with the infection form in the Library and his shield's recharging shocking it dead was pretty damn lucky.
Perhaps they don’t call Chief lucky due to each individual victory, but rather, all of his victories as a whole making him seem like he is “lucky”. Though ever since Halo 4, I think that the reason for Master Chief’s “luck” is due to whatever the Librarian mentioned the Forerunners planted in the human genome that eventually led to Chief. With all of the evidence that there is SOMETHING different about Chief, I have come up with a theory. I think that Chief is able to manipulate Neural Physics (Or something of the sorts) ever so slightly when in high stress situations. So perhaps that Chief’s “luck” isn’t luck, but rather the fact that he’s able to slightly manipulate the universe around himself just enough to succeed. I don’t think Chief would even be aware of this. It’s like your heartbeat. It just happens and your brain can’t really influence it.
I’m thinking just divine mandate, he’s chosen by fate
Thats just dumb, he can manipulate space around him slightly? It took full on facilities with shit tons of power use to affect space around them. Lets go with its a dumb writing idea they came up with. He is not the only one that accomplished big things typically deemed impossible more than once.
@@1014p Yeah, because it isn't possible for more than one person to be lucky.
If it isn't obvious, I'm being sarcastic.
Cortana deemed him lucky long before all of his feats so, no.
In my perspective, Master Chief isn’t all luck, he is the perfect super soldier with unparalleled instincts
Just Some Guy without a Mustache well... I mean there are other Spartans so his instincts are more than paralleled by some.
You seriously are fucking everywhere. I thought I was everywhere, but I look at things like profile pics and it is consistent. Unless there's a can of you guys, idk what else to think.
....So basically he's extremely lucky then?
I reckon the 'luck' implied in the last mission on halo combat evolved is that there was a long sword intact, available to escape on.
No. The flood would want an intact vehicle to leave the ring. Chief just got their first.
@@isaachinds3736 what do the flood have to do with finding an intact longsword? The autumn crashed on the halo ring. Chief was lucky the longsword was still intact
It could be attributed to the design of the ship, us humans have the desire to overengineer things for safety, just look at an elevator they're the safest human designed object. Between now and the cannon event whose to say we've created something far safer to operate than an elevator.
Fidel Marquez because a single flood spore can end a species hence why covenant glass planets after killing any species that they come across
@@Clippychinw not even gonna begin how wrong that statement is.
Lucky enough to live but not lucky enough to leave... the perfect instrument.
Deadpool: "Luck isn't a super power."
Obi-wan: "In my experience there's no such thing as luck."
Installation00: "Couldn't fucking agree more."
10:46 this is the thing though, the Pillar of Autumn was an upgraded Halcyon Cruiser that held 6,000 UNSC troops aboard the vessel. Default Halcyon Cruisers held 4,000 - 5,000 UNSC troops.
So technically, the game is correct on its end.
I00: *Chief is Not Lucky!*
Also I00: (Showing the beautiful blue lady that MC is always with in the thumbnail)
Me: Yeah, not buying that
Ultimately, I think the most important factor is that when he does get lucky, he seizes the opportunity and makes more out of it than anyone, even any other Spartan, would have even considered let alone accomplished. His awareness and critical thinking skills were astronomical even as an unaugmented child.
Funny how he always finds a rocket launcher, or a sword, or a *freaking tank* right at the moment whenever he needs it.
Quite comedic indeed.
As a real life soldier with experience in two theaters of war; I can attest that luck plays a factor in almost everything in war. It doesn't matter how good you are or how good your gear is. Some random ass out there can take down the best with a lucky shot. So your argument is invalid.
Ray Martin it’s not invalid, just weakened. Luck is a factor, but actual skill still makes a difference.
@@gub4941 I've been shot six times and survived a roadside bomb. No skill is required survive. "$#!t happens and sometimes skill does help but most often you are in the hands of fate. I spent ten years in two wars and better men were more skilled then I but not as lucky.
Ray Martin damn alright
@@kineticstar Well you forgot one thing
Halo is Sci-fi.
The Librarian meddling with humanity made sure Chief, the cumulative experience of a Thousand lifetimes of planning brought him to her at that moment.
Does that sound like bullshit? Absolutely, but dealing with stupidly advanced aliens and Eldritch horrors so advanced they fuck with time itself(Living time Precursor, Forerunner bullshit) in the grand scheme of things that happened.
@@isaachinds3736 if Chief was ever shot with any thing like a plasma rifle prior to his sheild up grade then he is lucky. Because most of the othere Spartans died during the glassing of Reach. Plasma in real life hot enough to maintain temperature as it travels through air with out dissipating will cook and atomize just about anything and there is no system besides high grade ceramics that can withstand it. Yet even with that inplace the thermal bleed will still over come the biological in the armor. Becase real physics and science.
Imagine having just given the Covenant back their bomb flawlessly just to have everyone go "luck, no skill lol".
John is more symbolic of Hercules than anything else. The latter's choice of Duty over Pleasure when having to reflect on his own life is a strong comparison to how Halo is playing out, what with the many labors he is tasked with.
Chief being Lucky is a self-fulfilling prophecy. Everyone expects him to be lucky, and works to both stay close to that luck and also to preserve their “lucky” vector, like how people take better care of their favorite dice and such. He’s lucky because we *Believe* he’s lucky, and work to ensure his luck is used to its max.
Calling it now, he's Force Sensitive.
No, he's just a weak Neural physics manipulator. It would be pretty cool if he was a force user though.
@@isaachinds3736 I see you have ridiculous amount of questions and knowledge in this franchise,
your attempt to dismay chiefs luck is a great example of overthinking with no new halo content to talk about. You cherry pick scenarios when "luck" was absent because of his training. luck comes into play when you consider all variables that just happen to work in his favor. John IS lucky that he had Cortana with him. John IS lucky that the mjolnir armor can hit a missile and not break. John IS lucky that the missiles arming was on contact, because most missile air burst and send shrapnel when they explode. Im a Marine Corps infantry vet and let me tell you, sometimes luck does play a role in who lives and who dies. You can step over and land mine on patrol, but your buddy does step on it. usually you do good vids, but this one missed the mark.
Luck is mostly an illusion.
Some things you aren't in control of, sure, but if you leverage every possible factor and piece of equipment and year of training and minor detail you noticed years ago and an extremely brilliant, sharpened mind and focus, you can improve your odds to the point where those elements up to random chance become unlikely to end in your failure.
Chief appears to have superhuman survival because he is superhuman. Things that seem impossible for unaugmented and untrained humans are within his ability to anticipate, plan for, react to, and overcome. So we say he must have been lucky for the factors to add up in his favor, but in reality he was in control of most of the factors all along.
I’ve been thinking that for the last few weeks
Thank you, this is exactly what I tried to say in my own comment.
Agreed, especially when Bungie says so as well lol. It’s to explain his plot armour because every single game needs plot armour to work as a game, of course Master Chief has luck.
@@st4rlightr4v3n4 except this is fiction and plot is real.
Luck is what happens when preparation meets opportunity.
-Seneca
At the very least, his luck in the random process of genetic recombination that goes on in Meiosis resulted in him having the genes, the chances of that were like 1 in 4*10^8 since Halsey screened like 30 billion genetic profiles and ended up with 150 kids.
Me: **sees title**
Memory: **brings up the time he got kidnapped at the age of 6 to be turned into an enslaved child soldier where he was pumped full of chemicals and forced to kill, going on a 40 year struggle to defend humanity against genocidal aliens and a ruthless parasite which used to be the gods of the universe and being separated from his artificial girlfriend who was tortured for 38 days and nights, then being stranded in space after losing the seemingly last man who he respected, locked in a tube for 4 years before waking up to his artificial girlfriend dying to madness before returning to Human controlled space to find that ONI was painting him as a traitor and then encountering his artificial girlfriend yet again, but this time trying to lock him in a prison for several thousand years so she could rule over the galaxy with an iron fist**
Me again, looking back at the title: "You don't say?"
As for the bomb on Cairo Station, you're missing the fact he found the bomb and happened to be wearing his new armour when the Covenant arrived in the Sol System, which allowed Cortana to jump to his armour from a holodisplay, then from his armour to the bomb in a few seconds and defuse it with a few seconds to spare. If he'd been quicker in finding the bomb, the covenant might have been able to defuse it and save their carrier, then you have 2 CAS class assault carriers to deal with, or even worse, he could have been late and the bomb doesn't have enough time left and he kicks off in a way that doesn't let him clear the blast radius because Cortana never told him how much time was left on the bomb.
I mean, surely it was lucky *for him* that Cortana still had the activation index from the first Halo they found. But that wasn't necessarily *luck* that caused it. Imagine if he fought all that way to Cortana only to discover that she no longer had the index due to needing to wipe it to keep herself sane by doing a purge of her data storage.
I more so chalked it up to the Librarian's super amazing ability to plan ahead. That she could plan so well, that even to the tiniest things like ammo or things used to keep from burning up in atmosphere just sort of fall into Chief's hands when he needs them because that was the planning of the Librarian.
You know, for how much she was praised for being such a strategic planner in the Forerunner council.
I think that all you said was true although I think he is still lucky and being at the right place at the right time which is why I think he is the most decorated soldier of the UNSC (this even plays on real life Chris Kyle also known as the American Sniper and has the most confirmed sniper kills said he was lucky because he was in the right place at the right time. And he also said he was not necessarily the best sniper.)
Chief makes his own luck. He is deliberate, observant more so than even his fellow spartans, he has solid instincts and top tier physical capabilities, also he is far and away, more thoroughly trained.
I feel like you're looking at at least a couple of those circumstances in the wrong way, chief wasn't lucky on the pillar of autumn because of how much time he had, but because there was still a single Longsword, that was completely intact and fully operational, left on board, despite the fact that the pillar of autumn had already sustained a huge degree of damage even before the reactor is set to detonate, while in halo 3 I don't think he was lucky that he survived the landing, but because he happened to land exactly where he was needed, and was found by the group of marines that happened to be in the area on another mission, and even in halo infinite, the fact that there was only a single pelican left with only a single passenger on board, who was also a skilled engineer who could get his suit back up and running just moments after he was floating in the void, and that he happened to end up right in front that pelican is definitely lucky, I won't argue that the vast, and I mean VAST, majority of his achievements are a result of his own abilities and advanced technologies, but to say that luck never once played a factor in his overall survival just isn't true, but I do agree that "being a lucky sob" isn't his most defining character trait by any stretch of the imagination
As Halo Canon put it, "John makes his own luck."
The creators of the character say he is lucky. Therefore, it's canon that he's lucky. One might say luck is another name for plot armor for the main character of a series.
Edit: How many other equally trained and equipped Spartan IIs are MIA?
Remember the line before they let me choose. She had a choice between all Spartans 2 the best of the best. Out of that group he was also lucky
Fun thing. In the book Cortana says she chooses him because she is the bravest. In the game she says he is the luckiest. I think both are right. As someone else in the comments said, "Who dares wins." I think Chief has survived this long because he doesn't quit, he doesn't give in to fear, and most of all he has a little bit of luck on his side
Well, the more accurate idea, is that he Makes his own luck. As shown in "the fall of reach" novel (or at least the comic).
I always saw it as them giving a nod to the player. Everyone gets stuck at certain times and dies over and over again until they can put together that perfect run to the next checkpoint. Sometimes you get lucky during gameplay the way things go down and I think that’s what she’s talking about.
I think he's lucky... But luck does not dictate his achievements, he was trained and survived... Halsey just saw a bit of luck in him...
I like the idea of John being lucky. We see that notion all the way back in Fall of Reach novel.
Sounds more like your problem isn’t with the chief being lucky, rather, the definition of luck. I still say he’s lucky when it matters most. We’re all lucky to even have a chance at existing. Now listen, I’m not saying beings in the universe don’t earn or deserve survival. I’m saying that at end of the day credit is due to means well beyond our comprehension and control. Remember when Chief stopped the covenant bomb in Halo 2? He and Cortana both didn’t know how much time was left on the bomb until after he stopped it and she said, “ you don’t wanna know...” you skipped that detail. He stopped the bomb just in time. I’ll end this thought with a Ralph Waldo Emerson quote, “A hero is no braver than an ordinary man, but he is brave 5 minutes longer.”
Edit: I need to just put this out there because of what I’m seeing in the comments coupled with the title of the video. Getting real tired of people using science and intellect as a soap box to project their very esoteric feelings onto large groups of people. You’re not experienced enough in life to just close the book on such a huge subject that is arguably VERY up for debate. Luck has a lot to do with gratefulness and perspective so it’s sad to see it dismissed as delusional and esoteric. It’s literally one of humanities defining qualities along with art/humor/love.
Chief always seems to make it up as he goes.
No plan... SMEAC or CARVER...
Luck :
Opportunity meeting preparation.
Dumb Luck :
JarJar Binks randomness
Serendipity
I know SMEAC, but haven't heard of CARVER
The couple of Halo books I read left me with the impression that most Spartans had a bit of suicidal tendencies, with Chief being one of the exceptions. There were more than a few situations where they were sent on a mission and they all die, and not just on Reach. For supreme super soldiers, they didn't seem to ever learn the value to retreating or losing a battle now to win the war later. Then when in a tight spot they go out in a blaze of glory, while MC looks for another way out. It also seemed to me that they were treated as somewhat disposable despite the cost of developing them or their importance in combating the Covenant. What good does it do to save a few hundred normal people who have no chance against the enemy while sacrificing your best weapons? It's like sacrificing your queen in chess, to protect the pawns.
Also Halsey, when talking about MC says that all he has accomplished is in spite of the Spartan program, not because of it. I wont get into genetics too much, because I don't feel we are bound solely by physiology, but he was already identified as having above average physical abilities at the young age he was chosen for the program, and it stands to reason that with training his potential in that area would only increase. He was also highly intelligent, though not genius level or anything like that, but the most important part of his intellect and his larger personality, was his natural leadership abilities. This isn't something that is shown properly in the games, where he is used mostly as a tool to accomplish a goal, running from one order to the next. But when leading his fellow Spartans, it is Chief's ability to come up with strategies and plans that their enemies haven't considered that gives them their greatest edge. Had he not been inducted into the Spartan program, Chief may have grown up to run the entire UNSC and developed strategies to fighting the Covenant that could have saved countless lives..
That being said, he does poses luck as well. He's lucky that he is the protagonist and the writers want him to stay alive. It is basic plot armor. The Didact not killing him is a great example of this actually. The Didact's motivations for tossing him aside are unimportant, as he could have just as easily snapped MC's neck before doing so. Chief was lucky he had his plot armor on.
The Cortana "choosing" him thing always bothered me though. Spartans didn't have integrated AI's. Chief only integrated Cortana to keep the Covenant from getting her since they were about to lose the ship. The Cole protocol called for the destruction of any material that could lead the Covenant back to Earth, which included the ship's AI. But they still needed her to try and figure out what the ring world was and get that info back to those in charge.
The Cairo station jump was and is one of my favorite scenes. I consider that feat lucky. There are literal thousands of variables to mess up his aim. The gravity of earth. Smaller ships flying into him. Plasma cannon fire and human projectiles flying all around.
I've found that what most people call luck is often little more than raw talent combined with the ability to make the most of opportunities.
He had some amazing feats but at the same time he is super lucky because he survived the countless augmentations to make it to where he can experience those feats
I disagree. You can break down a scenario and explain exactly way it turned out the way it did but I feel like the Luck is how that all came together and caused that scenario to turn out positive. Chief being lucky doesn't degrade his accomplishments or abilities or the input those around him contributed, his luck is what gives him that slight edge in a fight or to save the day at the last moment or survive the impossible. As you have stated before the chief is not the fastest, strongest or smartest spartan and yet he is one of the last remaining spartan 2's from the war and he saved the galaxy, that's an impressive feat.
He absolutely does truly believe what he is fighting for. No doubt. But even those thoughts are as a result of training. As a child, he wished and hoped to meet alien life. As an Adult, he spends his time killing them. The dedication to the cause, the loyalty, and the belief in the ideals were implanted within him by his morally debatable training, in particular, his indoctrination.
@@Installation00 There are still factors that dictate the chance of success beyond training. Completely ordinary circumstances that were not knowable by chief. No matter how good you are, you just increase the chances of success, but not uniformly in all circumstances. Chief has a gigantic area of control, but it is the things outside of his control that make up his luck. The incidentality and improbability of the circumstances that allow his success in micro situations. The amount of improbable circumstances that benefited chief is a statistical outlier that keeps on getting more anomalous. This is his luck.
Statisticaly, even perfect augmentations would not be enough to survive all he did, but he did.
I prospect the librarians meddeling as a further augmentation (better physicality, future simulation and subconcious strategy library)and some neuralphysics (the domain seeking new holders of the mantle and therefore giving info to chief and ideas to others (also to others besides chief like chips dubbo, but his other abilities make the most of it)) to explain the edge in circumstancial positioning.
@@Installation00 You can't pin being in exactly the right at exactly the right time down to training. Nor just barely making it to where you need to be while running on literal fumes. There are moments in the trilogy where the only reason Chief is even at that point is because of sheer luck alone (the fact that Mendicant Bias delayed the Keyship launch, allowing Chief enough time to just barely get in on time is clear proof of this). If anything, you could attribute the source of his luck to his drive to get the things he wants done, but just knowing that some dickhead is going to rationale that away with some boringly scientific explanation.
You guys can call luck all you want, but all of you know luck is extremely obviously impossible, to say cheif is the only lucky spartan is impossible statement, luck is completely fair, if you roll a dice 60 times, you will roll every number at least 9 times, the only “luck” in that is trying to guess what number you will roll, not the actual result, luck can only be applied to a situation with a randomly generated outcome, mastercheifs “luck” is his ability to make perfect adjustment to a situation (you playing) to make a perfect outcome
Fans: Masterchief is so lucky to get a thicc AI
Installation00: NOT LUCK
I love your videos
We also cant forget about Jul Mdama's search for Requiem (I forgot how to spell it please correct me). The UNSC (ONI) would be searching for him once they caught wind of him and what he's searching for the shield world to stop him from building his armies and fleet. Admiral Osman would send Infinity to stop it from happening.
When I look at it this way it seems more likely this might be what happened 'cause if they got the beacon they would have found Spirit of Fire. So I think that one might be closer to luck.
Well what do you want them to call his plot armor
Rename it to PIS(Plot Induced Stupidity ) for the Didact not killing Chief Immediately.
@@isaachinds3736 I think he wanted Chief to witness his failure, or what he thought was going to be failure
@@Onxide Well the second time they met he should have immediately snapped his neck and the Mantle Approach or his Amour should have contained and deleted the severely rampant A.I from killing him. Much less fall of the light bridge from a grenade.
A grenade! Chief amour can take a hit, direct or indirect from one if his species own, and his amour is laughable compared to Didacts.
That the PIS keeping him from being killed.
A lot of early halo was inspired by the book Ringworld, and Ringworld played with the idea that luck could be an inherited trait, and that one of humanity's greatest strengths maybe luck. I think they used the idea to say that there were a lot of amazing spartans that could have done the things the Master chief did, but he was the one who was lucky enough to be in the right places at the right time to do all of the things he did.
Cortana: “Chief is a lucky boi.”
00: ““In my experience: there’s no such thing as Luck.””
I guess when you look at a chaotic system knowing all the initial conditions, any apparent un-likelihood of statistics (luck) in the statistical model used by observer that is trying to approximate the system falls away.
robin wang ok I’m gonna pull a Michael Scott here and ask that you explain this like I’m 5 because I’m fully intrigued!
Tony Verdi if we have a set of equations, such that the resulting graphs of these equations become very different very fast if we plugged slightly differently numbers into it in the beginning, we have a chaotic system, and these starting numbers are initial conditions.
Now if you don’t know what the equations and the numbers are, but you want to know what happens, you can try to make a really good guess, by seeing what the equations usually do, that’s a statistical approximation.
Now you have your guess, and if the equations behaves differently than your guess sometimes, to you it will look strange, and if that strangeness was appealing to you, you would call it luck.
But to a person who knows what the numbers and equations are, they know that “luck” is supposed to happen, so they would just call it along the lines of “preparation, or predicable”.
This type of chaos is also called deterministic chaos, and scientists believe that pretty much all the chaos we will ever have to deal with, like any freak accidents, are supposed to be deterministic chaos.
Say you walked in front of a building, and a cake falls onto you, you will call it luck, but to the person who threw the cake on the twelfth floor checking the wind speed and your daily schedules and try to prank you, this is all planned.
robin wang thank you for taking the time on this! That’s awesome... I like to think of luck as an experience involving novelty and a sense of humbleness. So with the example you have given it would be feeling lucky to have a person funny enough to throw a cake on me from the twelfth floor creating a memorable experience because not everyone would do that.
A very advanced sequence of events may carve a path to the inevitability of getting hit with the cake but it’s interesting to call it deterministic chaos, as both of those words kind of conflict. Is deterministic chaos data showing what events happened to add up to being hit by the cake? Now it’s easier to say “someone” will get hit with the cake if it wasn’t me that walked up or it wasn’t me who was the specific target of the cake throwers motive and was anyone who walked up next.
I guess what I am getting at is I wouldn’t call it luck if two small rocks collided into each other deep in outer space (which I think you pointed out by mentioning being of interest to the observer or translator). I would rather call it luck if those two rocks hit, altered trajectories, one entered our atmosphere and landed in my backyard and had a giant diamond in it and the entire backyard got blasted with flame except my dog in her doghouse because it was positioned to be protected behind a large Oak tree that I planted in the exact spot because it was where my wife and I planted it for our anniversary 20 years before. It requires an ego and sense of appreciation (especially toward the idea of novelty) and gratefulness to be what I would call luck.
One of our defining qualities among intelligence and logic is also compassion and joy. Sure it comes off as cheesy and “esoteric” as installation 00 stated but I feel it’s no more esoteric than seeing the world as randomness and equations quantifying the sum of all things to progressive circumstances that create what the observer would call anomalies. It seems so far that the universe is a healthy dance between chaotic activity and successful process with a “field” giving a place and room for them to interact and especially to feel lucky, would require an entity to stand there and truly feel inside “wow... this place is amazing”.
- Ok sorry, that was me thinking and word vomiting from the thoughts going through my head after reading what you wrote. I just have hope that something like luck can’t be reduced to equations and that there’s an equal amount of purpose in our universe as there is none, I feel like there’s room for both. If that makes sense. Thank you again!
Tony Verdi all apparent luck can probably be traced all the way to the beginning of the universe, since everything had to happen perfectly for the “lucky thing” to happen.
But it’s possible that the Big Bang it self is inherent completely random, and our universe is fine tuned as it is because there’s been enough universes already and we just happen to have ran into a good enough universe. That in itself is kinda lucky.
Tony Verdi I loved your replies, What I really wanted to say is that the universe is like that system of equations (maybe not exactly), although we may not know what the laws that governs every thing are, and what everything was in the beginning, but the laws that governs the universe exists, and the universe did begin at some point, so incredibly lucky things are possible (statistically bound to happen if people lived for ever). And to us, since we don’t know what really happened, we would call these rare and beautiful things that benefit us “luck”.
I know I’m late to this, but to use an old soldiers mantra, “I’d rather be lucky than skilled”
This video goes against the iconic line in Halo 3, so I'll have to delete it.
It's Ya Boi Daniel “wake me when you need me”
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It's Ya Boi Daniel you know I’m right
@@gub4941 Nice try, kid.
It's Ya Boi Daniel if I’m a kid, then you’re an infant.
Think of it like this:
Luck gives you the opportunity, some times very slim. Training, skill, equipment, and inherent attributes all combine to let you maximize that opportunity.
I believe that what Bungle had in mind. Remember one absolute fact about Halo 3 it was during Bungle's storytelling. It's not like it's much of a big deal anyway.
“Luck is a combination of opportunity and determination” ~ unknown
Oh yea! You click on the new video and see that 30min time stamp and that means it's time to get a cup of coffee and a snack and get ready for a good time.
If only it actually was a good time.
That makes him way scarier like he is so skilled it looks like luck 😱
In all honesty you're giving alot more reasons why he's lucky.
You and your videos have me addicted to the Halo story once again. There's just something amazingly special about this universe. Thank you.
YES. i never believed in Chief's luck. As a matter of fact if there is one spartan to have 'luck' (even then loosely only), it would be Kurt Ambrose. that dude's intuition made him look lucky af.
Luck is when skill meets opportunity, vectoring.
When you're smart, but take things far too literally, you end up looking stupid when you completely miss the point.
I'm totally gonna watch all those linked videos.
Luck is for fools and the unprepared, a warrior makes their own way. With a little help from friends.
What is the maximum capacity of the Flood's abilities on the cellular or atomic level? Can they adapt to cellular dangers like say the Forerunners construct a nano machine virus that would breakdown the Flood super cell replicate then advance, could the Flood adapt to those situations like the Tyranids do?
And another question can the Flood with enough biomass create any Flood pureform in any shape, size, and body structure as they want like the Tyranids do but much much faster and dangerous?
If you watch the Mona Lisa. A single scratch from a flood combat form, you're infect immediately as every cell in the localise area of the scratch converts every cell into flood cells, then those cells go on to attack healthy cells, so on & so fourth.
Tbh that’s one of the coolest things about him, like it’s so emotional and dope - it wasn’t the fact that he was strong and cunning and swift but he’s just lucky love that 💪🏼
Before completing video: I believe Chiefs luck is everything combined. That's his luck. He got the best cards. He's the most BALANCED Spartan. He can do everything any Spartan can do, nearly as well as the best of the Spartans who specialize in strength speed dexterity etc. Think of the Spartans like a stat wheel from from the DBZ games. Or SPECIAL from Fallout. Chief is the perfect Jack of all trades Spartan, which is why he's the only hyper lethal Spartan 2.
The other hyper lethal Spartan, Noble 6, was the exact same way, with a strong preference for working alone. Which Master Chief did often without choice and by choice.
Look at Sam, the strongest Spartan. He had a huge frame. Had they had sent literally any Spartan smaller than Sam, I bet that mission would have had 0 casualties because there was not one damn thing they NEEDED Sam's amazing strength for. They legit threw Sam away. Imagine of Sam was fighting brutes, imagine that!
Wrong all spartan 2's are hyper lethal
@@DDK20284 I'd love to believe that but it's not true. Some Spartans are just too specialized on the on the wheel. The concept holds up. I'll use dark souls as an example. A "quality" (balanced) build, usually performs better than straight strength dexterity faith intelligence.
In xenoverse 2, quality would be "God tier" while a character that specializes in too much damage on one state but lacks other damage health stamina ki etc will be referred to as "monster tier"
While yes "monster" builds can one shot anyone, that's only if I can hit them. Quite often I get outplayed outmaneuvered etc.
But when I switch to a quality build, I have more options to beat them up rather than just my overpowered ki spam moves and hax, and am less likely to be outplayed because I don't die in one stamina break, I have decent all round damage, and can play tactically. It's fair and fun.
On my monster frieza glass cannon, If i can stamina break them once they're dead. But if i get stamina broken, almost any character can kill me unless they fumble which happens a lot. People don't take it seriously until boom one ki spam they're dead. Then they rematch with a vengeance. It's not fair it's not fun its bullshit and ruins the game for casuals. So "monster" builds live up to their names. Sam can throw a grunt like a football and kill an elite. That's monstrous.
Chief can keep going and going and survive, because he has every tool available to him without sacrificing essential stats.
And plot armor. Major plot armor.
@@thecomedygamingnetwork261 it's canon tho
@@DDK20284 when and where
@@thecomedygamingnetwork261 twitter.com/toa_freak/status/1046718334174195713?s=20
With the new lore of the hardlight rings in Infinite, could the Pillar of Autumn's reactor been enough to actually show the damage we see?
How is chiefs defining trait luck how can people say that he’s literally a war veteran with so much experience not just a lucky guy
Bruh Guy because ask every war veteran that’s not in a dumb video game but in actual real war and they will tell you that they only survived wars because of mainly luck.
You can’t really make that comparison
I honestly always saw it as more Greco Roman "favour" or fate that Cheif had. Its not like a dice roll, but more his perfect ability to capitalise on opportunity made him a Diomedes.
He is not exactly the biggest or fastest, but makes the unique deeds happen, and he also walks away alive.
In my experience there's no such thing as "luck"
Gage Perez says someone born in a time period where you can electronically share your thoughts with a community of people talking about a video game they love, made by people who were all born at the right time to converge and gift us with Steve Downes and Jen Taylor’s voices on a planet that is the only habitable one in an entire solar system that has given life to an insane amount of species that cannot do what we are doing right now. Now, I do think that luck requires a conscious mind that also contains an ego but what else do you call this experience and feel if not lucky? Hell maybe you can even call it unlucky but the concept remains a valid question. Give life a little more time and see if you feel the same way. 😃
I see luck as a kind of minor addition to his character, but one that balances the scales JUST enough to get him through any situation. It's not his defining characteristic, but it's what he has changes the game slightly. The player is the chief. the player cannot die.
Edit: You also answer your own question in the beginning. There is an illusion of luck, nothing more- but that illusion is still definable.
Bro's just mad that the chief is so lucky
In the realm of The Lore, I agree. In the realm of game play, it's simply Plot Armor. Nothing to do w/ the enhanced Mark X armor or skill.
The sniper jackals from Halo 2 L.A.S.O completely disagree.
Its a reality warper beyond Precursor comprehension. That an acceptable time to admit he survived because of luck.
About the infinity finding chief they found requiem's location on installation 03
It's said in the cutscene after you save the infinity from the didact
2:01 Some middle eastern dude activated 117 from sleep.
The entire thing about Chief being lucky is that it's to say that fate is on his side, as in the things he does are literally fated to happen (which is technically what luck constitutes in story telling craft). Put him in an impossible situation and he will most certainly find a way to get out of it if he's meant to survive. Saying he isn't lucky and that his evidence of luck are more so down to his abilities is completely missing the point of creating a story, and the extremely light fantasy element that Halo has always had. Take his first encounter with the Gravemind and how he was beamed to High Charity, he was the right man in the exact right place to make things unfold as they should. It's the little things that enable him to put his skill to the absolute best possible use in any given situation that constitutes his luck, not some stupid overt display of physical ability. His actions are what lead to humanity surviving and winning the war in the first place, he is the biggest reason why we won at all, because he kept getting into the right place at just the right second, just as the door was almost closed or whatever. That's what makes him lucky, the fact that he keeps doing things just as he's almost out of time. Stop viewing things through such a lens of logic and actually pick up a fairy tale or the Bible or something, using hard science and logic isn't the thing for more spiritual concepts.
I couldn't have put it any better myself.
That scene before he detonates the nuke is powerful, the look at earth knowing whats at stake. He didn't think for a moment about sacrificing himself and saving billions. Just hit the button.
I can tell you how long it would take for a nuclear fusion reactor the size of the one in the Pillar of Autumn would take to meltdown and explode: it wouldn’t. Fusion doesn’t work that way. It requires precise containment and a carefully maintained environment. If there’s any breakdown in the system the fusion reaction simply stops. In other words, what would happen in real life is that Chief would throw a grenade, it would explode, and then the power generation would stop working and Cortana would feel stupid. What she should have done is tell the Chief what to do to cause the fusion reaction to build pressure until it ultimately goes off as basically a miniature nova. But, writers don’t do much research when it comes to the sci-fi bits.
It's back up! Now I get to rewatch!
Luck in halo is more plot armour because the game needs the main character to survive but also 117 skill and the events going on around him is what keeps him alive so I couldn't agree with you more on everything you said. When it's pointed out it becomes clear its not just down to luck. Good video man glad I found your channel
15:40. Does it also explain the presence of nanomachines in his armor when there seem to be no mention of such features while Bungie had the property? That has bugged me for a long time now.
My memory is a little fuzzy but I'm pretty sure they still did not have ftl comms and such till a bit after the war ended. They were still testing the tech and it was extremely expensive still. Only a small handful were around and only in top ONI facilities like in Onyx.
I guess Chief is just lucky he's got so many factors on his side.
This video proves that yes the Master Chief is lucky. Luck is having all the parameters from a plethora of probability, just so happening to be correct, for a favorable outcome. All the little things you described, whether it be tactical choices, math and calculations, previous training, armaments, all culminate into the lucky situations that Chief so often finds himself in. If any one of the little things didn’t happen, Chief would lose. So it’s lucky that all those things DID happen.
Yeah, it's very strange. I think the video creator just doesn't like the idea of being lucky like some kind of turbo libertarian. Like the lore EXPLICITLY states that he's lucky. The books even showed small examples of this luck like when he calls coin flips, not to mention the preposterous odds he gets through them because the player is allowed to restart when they died lol.
There is a saying: We make our own luck. I believe that John 117 has this "ability" more then almost anyone else. Maybe it's a form of Quantum manipulation of space/time that we only perceive as "Luck".
Agree. Luck is just another saying he just so happens to at the right place & the right time, mathematical probabilities.
He is tenacious and has incredible willpower.
Isaac Arthur sorta goes into an interesting idea on one of his Science and Futurism videos about clarke tech. One of the more interesting ideas was a device that could alter the realty of chance. Would be interesting if we ever meet or encounter the Primordials that if they could some how influence this and had an interest in Chief. Might be lame if implemented wrong as it makes our hero less valued but Cortona does constantly tell the chief he is lucky. The Primordials might be a bit more interesting if they werent just another very advanced species. Might be cool if they literally were god like.
I could hear the stress 😂
he doesn’t have any luck at all but he does have the power of Christ just like Kirbo
“Master chief it’s not lucky”
Plot armor: are you sure about that? 😏
She’s not saying he’s ONLY lucky, she’s saying that there is some luck involved in the situations Chief finds himself in, which allows him to use his skills in the best way possible. He’s got the luck of the devil, why else call him The Demon?
Like how the Chief puts it: "We make our own luck."
Who needs luck when you have Plot Armour?