The Precursors. They're coming. - Lore and Theory
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- In this episode: We look at the evidence that supports the idea that the Precursors are coming back!
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you mentioned that the flood likely share a similar biology to the precursors in the form of a kind of supercell, this led to a thought: what if the precursors simply said, "hey, our children/creations want us dead, so lets go through the cycle again", and just went back to an earlier state of their own existence, as in the precursors are the logical evolution of the flood, of what happens when the flood inevitably wins? if they simply went through a literal rebirth of their species from its earliest point in evolution, that would also explain why they felt the need to seed life, because they had previously consumed it all...
Edit: correction in spelling
That is a nice, and absolutely terrifying, theory.
It’s like they’re playing a game. When they finish, they just go back and redo the entire story from the beginning.
Revan that’s just boring.
I just saw this comment, wonderful thoughts btw and basically it sounds like they just devolutionized themselves, and we all know what happens when you reverse the way life came to how we know it today; the last universal common ancestor was a single celled organism, little more than scum in rust ridden oceans here on Earth, perhaps the Precursors set themselves back in evolution so that they could reseed the galaxy after the long journey of evolution that they perhaps once undertook, or walked many times, maybe their more primal and animalistic nature, which the Flood at first was very uncoordinated and aggressive, was somehow overcome after time to make them the God like individuals who have transcended time and space.
We Humans are more civilized than animals, even if it doesn't seem like it sometimes, but we're still animals, just figuring out the right steps to take to perpetuate ourselves through the stars and beyond, maybe becoming Gods is harder than we think, or maybe it takes longer, however, why would the Precursors want to give the Mantle to Humans after already handing it to the Forerunners?
Maybe mankind was quick to adjust, eager to please, we did make advancements similar to the Forerunners but earlier in our evolution, perhaps we're closer to godhood than we thought.
Hope you enjoyed this long comment.
@Kenric Young
If you're talking about me, that would imply that the Precursors only want to consume the species that they created, but only the Flood do, life has simple rules that it follows, consume energy, reproduce and spread, perhaps the Precursors had to as well, there's laws we Humans make that in ways make it harder and easier to do such things, the Mantle may support you brutalizing your neighbor simply because it perpetuated your survival, because the Precursors had to in order for them to be here, but that is speculative.
That "We Already Do" was so creepy and awesome. And it's true I'm sure
Literally the perfect way to end the video.
It very much reminds me of all the Halo videos where Sangheili take over the transmission.
As another science guy on TH-cam infamously said,
"You can't stop the signal baby!
(Maniacal Laughter)"
That’s from the terminal in CE that shows Keyes conversion into the proto gravemind, brutal stuff lol
@@NewtypeZeta Which videos are those?
@@SuperGman117 Lookup "Sangheili Combat Harness" on TH-cam. That is one of the videos I immediately thought of in the moment.
You will know you have the right one when you hear the voice referring to the viewers in what seems to be a Sangheili voice and phrases like "you humans".
Halo in 2000’s: Wow, these Forerunners are the most mysterious figures of the Halo universe
Halo in 2020: Hold my Mantle
“Hold my mantle” lmao😂😂😂
Nice one
best halo comment ever fam 😂😂😂 "Hold my mantle " 🤣🤣🤣
Halo in 2000’s: Wow, these Forerunners are the most mysterious figures of the Halo universe
Halo in 2020’s: Hold my Mantle
Halo in 2021: "precursor" Hold my Galaxy
It's getting pretty old. Can we like do something else. There is always another older than old species that shouldn't be here type shit.
I expect the non-Flood Precursors to still be alive outside the known universe and are waiting for the moment they choose to reveal themselves and/or return.
They could travel between galaxies, their remnants were found in a tiny star cluster just outside our own. Not sure about universes though.
Likely true. But Remains Hidden in Darkness space.
For the precursors, conventional space travel has long since become a very close to irrelevant concept to them. They are pretty much able to view upon and see anything within multiple iterations of our physical universe simultaneously. Our entire universe is merely an ongoing lab experiment from their perspective. Whoever orginally thought of and wrote the backstory of the haloverse precursors would make Lovecraft himself proud.
I honestly don't blame the precursors if they choose NOT to come back. Humanity isn't quite the same as the ancient humans/ancestors the Precursors knew
Was about to thumbs up but saw the like counter @ 117 and decided that was a good number
I still want 343 to make a game about ancient humanity’s war against the flood
I just want them to interact with the respawned Humanity! How will they see how humans reemergedm from being nearly wiped out by the Forerunners, to be able to do what they could not by nearly wipe out most of the Flood!
Same, Imagine with Dune vipes in it. 😍
you could draw parralels with halo ce start as a forunner unit in the first part of the war investigating human expansion and go through different events as a warrior class in a much bigger ever more aprently scarier universe before encountering an eldritch enitty known as the flood and shifting a more lovecraftian vibe
I think a Flood horror game in the time of the Human-Forerunner war would be great. Imagine being a Forerunner civilian fighting annihilation from both Ancient Humanity and the Flood.
I just want 343 to make an actual Halo game.
Now THIS would be cool. I just hope that they won't make the introduction as confusing as 4/5's reveal that humans were as ancient as Forerunners in a quick little flashback that requires many other alternate materials to fully comprehend.
I find myself comprehending those just fine without acquiring alternate materials and instead just hitting up Halopedia.
aWraithsSoul one of my favorite reads I truly recommend it. It’s crazy how powerful the forerunners were.
If the Flood or Covenant showed up next month I would hardly blink an eye with how this year has been.
@LiverHook Placed
Flood:everyone loves my green style!!
Corna vyrus: you in the wrong planet fool!
The events of the first Crysis game take place in Augustest 2020. Just saying.
@@MandalorV7 man I got a perfect idea how to join every franchise timeline and make one franchise
lord electron corna vyrus? 😂 😂 😂
i for one would be going - hey Chief where you at, you need me to hold ya beer.
could the precursors telling the forerunners that they weren't worthy just be a test
I'm positive it was, and the Forerunners failed. Horribly.
Agee’s more than humans would, we’d just get pissy not genocidal like them
Stego Aqua we’d just say “fuck off” and continue on with our lives and expansion. Humanity has never shared a universal ideology other than “we will survive” and so we wouldn’t have the collective massive existential crisis that made the forerunners into mad hatters for a few thousand years. Sure, some people would probably go all Armageddon, purge the unclean but many more would not and instead find new purpose or hold onto old ones.
@@bluenight104 I think the whole Mantle is a lie the Precursors did just to test their creation. If you think about it a lot of things in Halo are taken at face value and often truth is hidden between the lines. Take the first three Halo games per example, we all thought the Forerunners were originally the ancestors of humanity and that they entrusted their tech to us, humans, before dying. Then later in Halo 3 we find out that they were supposedly a benevolent race who saved countless primitive species like ours, stored them in shield worlds or the Ark, and then sacrificed themselves. By Halo 4 we find out the Forerunners were imperialistic peacekeepers and nearly exterminated humanity, in fact, they devolved us. My point is there are many layers of truth in Halo lore, the Precursors a race of god-like beings possessing the ability to create worlds, give life, and even influence reality does not strike me as completely benevolent or altruistic. Either way, what we know about them is not completely true if you take into account their abilities.
@@avatariroh0543 The Precusors knew they were going to fail before they tested them. They were found "wanting" and thus lost the inheritance in the first place.
Everyone "The Precursors should return"
Me " *cough cough* Flood"
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But the Precursors are technically still around.
The Flood is composed of bits and pieces of Precursor dust.
The flood are just another form of the precursors and maybe they existed in countless circles before. As Precursors they create life. And as flood they harvest that life and feed on the experiences of that life. It was always meant to be that way.
Plus I think, this is just a theory but maybe they are still around because since the Domain is active you'd think someone or something had awoken it.
Halo has a vast galaxy that we yet to explore
How did the Forerunners killed the Precursors exactly? And what were exact reasons? Those were the questions that made me lose sleep at night ;) Thanks!
Not sure about how, but why they did it is because they couldn't handle humanity being chosen to get the Mantle. Basically, they got rejected.
Yeah the how has really gotten me too but its possible in the form they initially took they were "weaker" than in the form of the flood. I mean we can burn and disintegrate flood biomass/combat forms ..
@@NobleS1236 Yeah I would like to know if there was some prolonged debate among forerunners or did they just throw a tantrum. Because they mirror Covenant in this case. Humanity is chosen instead of them so they decide to kill people. Although in this case Precursors might have let themselves be killed. Also if Precursors are basically Universe, how come they only live in 1 galaxy and one mini-galaxy? Shouldn't they be everywhere? Perhaps the Precursors that allowed themselves to be "killed" (if it wasn't just a trick to convince forerunners that they could do it) were just a small section of Precursors that permeate Universe?
@@jannegrey593 there is a theory that some forerunners and precursors live in the Andromeda galaxy, but that's most likely a rumor.
I personally think that forerunners never truly defeated the precursors bc I believe they want the forerunners to think that the won to stop a war that could spread to other war that could destroy life which is against precursors Believes of the mantle of responsibility which is to not attach life itself
Halo: A memeworthy FPS played by 12-year olds
Halo Lore: The universe is alive and eternal life is attainable
Hell of a juxtaposition there.
So "the flood are just testing humanity" theory holds weight. Interesting.
Yes its the precursors test for the mantle.
This was amazing! Dude! It reminded me of how deep some lore videos of Destiny lore can be! This is like hearing about the ancient creation of the universe we play in. Just how the traveler and darkness are for destiny. This is sooo cool and I’d love to see it almost being treated like a cycle of returning and disappearing like the reapers do in mass effect. Amazing job!!!!
Most likely the Term 'gone', doesnt mean the version of it meaning dead or destroyed, but the one meaning left and disappeared. meaning the Forerunners fought and tried to destroy them, and the precursors are not gone, just they dont know where. that probably worried the forerunners.
“As long as the universe exists, the precursors exist”
(Vacuum decay) “imma bout to ruin this mans whole career”
The precursors let the forerunners believe they died as part of a test and knew that they would be reborn again but they are INFINITE like the universe and are busy doing bigger and better things but will return to the milky way to see if they will give the mantle to human,convenent,brutes,or gravemind after the galactic war. It is all another test
And SHOULD humans take the Mantle, too? Is it worth the grief?
Thank you for the content this detailed. The gravemind saying that line. Dam man. Very surreal. That line made me step back listening. This is Raymond Hatton aka gun racks. 5-5
I can see a future and coming cutscene where we get mind blown with the flood and the precursors being one
Already are. The flood are devolved and corrupt precursors.
Maybe the function of the flood is to reach a critical mass sufficient to rebirth the precursors. Maybe the flood are just another stage in the precursors life cycle and a gravemind can eventually become trans-sentient.
Oh. This could be absolutely great for humanity or completely detrimental, considering we were supposed to have the mantle passed to us.
We were supposed to be passed but we are to be tested by them first like the forerunners which they failed horribaly.
Udhav Veer Singh Bhatia but wait, didn’t the forerunners have it revoked because of they way they acted to another species? It’s been a good while since I’ve read that lore.
@@lillyalightbornexo1036 The forerunners failed, because they "Wanted". They wanted to expand, conquer, and own everything. They were self centered, and cared little for the well being of other races. (In general. Some forerunners, in the case of the Librarian, showed that there are exceptions.)
Humanity has yet to be tested. Its commonly accepted that humanities test will likely be a battle with the Flood, or against some greater foe. However, there simply isn't any way for us to know since the Precursors minds, thoughts, goals, and ideals are incomprehensible to us.
I come to realize that the mysterious vibe and ancient like feeling that we had of the forerunners back in the original trilogy is now morphing into our perception of the precursors.
Hope 343I does not mess this up too.
That question asked at 10:50 is somewhat explained in a forerunner book I read which takes place after the firing of the rings.
Basically the domain was damaged but never fully destroyed.
The ISO-Didact and some of the remaining forerunners reactivated the domain before leaving the galaxy.
I always had a crazy theory that the flood is the mantle it self or maybe a stepping stone to it. Maybe what we see as the flood is unguided mutation like a cancer. With the right person or object they will evolve said chosen race to point where can aspect the mantle and carry on Precursors legacy.
Let me say this as simply as I can “history is written by the victor” if the precursors were really beings that transcended all types of science and math and were in two words “all powerful” then they couldn’t have been destroyed or exterminated and to this very second would have to exist somewhere in someway
I feel like this is more relevant than ever right now
It was explained in fractures how the domain was prepared, and if I remember correctly it wasn’t because of the precursors
Would it be correct to assume that when the Primordial got "corrupted" it was in fact the birth of the logic plague? Furthermore, could we assume that the neuroscience is the method of transmission by a infected consciousness relaying information to a healthy consciousness? I mean the fact that a biological entity can infect artificial intelligence with a plague is just mindblowing.
The precursors are the living universe, they are the primordials. They are the flood. They seeded each race as the cattle they are and return to repeat the great feast cycle as how Ragnarok has its cycles. Who knows how many times the flood has devoured humanity and the forerunners
Not gonna lie the "we already do" made every hair stand.
The way they thought of the Universe and how they chose to live because of that sounds quite a bit like the Force.
Great video bro 👊
The new connections between the flood and the precursors changes everything...
This kinda makes Cthulhu and some other Lovecraftian creatures slightly more benevolent.
What’s interesting to me is that the concept art for the primordial looks like a community of Lekgolo, like we see in the hunters or scarabs. It’s coloring and armor itself are identical to the Mgalekgolo scheme. Maybe the precursors were ancestors to the Lekgolo, surviving extermination the same as the flood did. Not saying it’s true, but food for thought.
I always had a thought like this in the back of my mind too. The Lekgolo species, outside of the Precursors/Flood themselves, is undoubtedly the most 'alien' race in the Halo universe
Great video I have always liked the lore for the precursors
As another person already suggested. The flood seems to be simply another stage in the Precusors live cycle, which leaves us with a few horrifying possibilites of their nature.
For startes, if the flood are simply "corrupted" or just primitive Precursors, they would share similiar traits with their parent species. The flood is noted to have a near drug addiction level of need to consume information and intellects in form of intellegent members of a species and overall intellegent species' as opposed to simply all lifeforms.
From that we can assume that the reason the Precursors have this compulsive need to create life - as the Primordial said that to the Didact, is because need to constantly seed and consume species for own needs.
This cyclical nature of their needs would also explain why so many ancient humans commited mass suicide after learning some horriying truth from the Primordial.
Infact that would exlain why the ancient Forerunners chose to rebell against their creators and why their creators chose Humanity as the holders of the mantle instead of the obviously more fitting and caring forerunners.
Because the Forerunners keep the species they protect in a stagnative state technologically and intellectually speaking. The Forerunners keep all the species under their protection primitive because they deem it be the most safe for the species and planets ecology as at a medival technological level the species does not have the means to commit an extinction level event on themselves in form of a war or disaster and neither be able to too harmfully effect the planets ecology.
In stark contrast to humanity who is more dominating and competitive but did not have the want to micro manage their charges the way the Forerunners did.
Which would all result potentially in the species all together having a militaristically and intellectually arms race in order to remain on top of power chain, rise on it or simply prevent themselves from falling down and being replaced by another species. As the relationship between ancient humanity and the San'Shyuum has shown.
This would make humanity the far more fitting, essentially, farmer for intellegence and information for the Precursors to either consume all life in a repeating cycle once again
Pretty much everything the Gravmind and the Primordial said hints towards this. For instance:
"We are the Flood. There is no difference. Until all space and time are rolled up and life is crushed in the folds... no end to grief, war or pain. In a hundred and one thousand centuries... unity again, and wisdom. Until then - sweetness."
Or what the Didact thought out loud to the Primordial-Gravemind:
How can you be the last of anything?” the Didact asked. “I see now that you are nothing more than a mash-up of old victims infected by the Flood. A Gravemind. Were all the Precursors Graveminds?” Another sifting shuffle. “Or are you after all only an imitation of a Precursor, a puppet- a reanimated corpse? Are all the Precursors gone- or is it that the Flood will make new Precursors?”
Philosoraptor meme: If the Precursors travel from Galaxy-to-Galaxy, could this mean the Precursors in general are widespread, even after all this time, and only the Milky Way Precursors went extinct?
I brought this up in the comments of one the recent videos. Interesting you do a video on this now.
6 months and only I have thought
"Precumsor"
because they are coming
I regards to everything in this video. We are entering the Lovecraftian realm here. Maybe H.P. Lovecraft is a Precursor dressed as a human.
Honestly the fastest way to get to this conclusion is simply that the forerunner turned on the precursors in THIS galaxy. It's only a matter of time before reinforcements arrive from nearby galaxies...
They're coming, They're hungry
Perhaps the next cycle has begun with Cortana taking over everything, and we will maybe see or learn more about the Precurors in Halo infinity
11:25 I actually watched the terminal last night on Keyes, talk about coincidence 😐
I can't help but ponder... Are the precursors the good guys in all of this?
Same as the old one from WH40K why their discovery secret of immortally
I assumed that the domain was the AI for the precursors. It was just housed in a higher dimension, think like the immaterium from 40K or that of the akashic records in theory, its what allows any advanced enough life form access and then they themselves just start going down that same path.
The domain survived because the halo rings pulse doesn't destroy flood biomass, it just kills its food.
I would love to see Halo take a turn for the Lovecraftian. Think about it: the eldritch, ancient creatures that were responsible for creating massive structures, as well as life in the known universe, and thought to be long dead, return… and with a vengeance.
The Precursors and Forerunners could do battle again because both would have been scattered throughout the Galaxy if not the universe. This would hold true of humanity where the more developed humans would still be our there because the would have gone in a different direction all over the universe.
I'm not so sure that the flood isn't just another form of the precursors. Not devolved/ corrupted, but just one of the forms of precursors
I was seriously thinking about exactly this idea yesterday.. great video btw mindblowing
Did you ever do a video on neural physics? If you haven't yet, can you?
Awesome video! Thank you! 👍🏻
so it's basically like this:
i'm a precursor. i created a minecraft world. i had fun with it. the only difference is that the NPCs are sentient / sapient. oh well, i'm bored with this world, let's delete it and start a new one.
You are definitely another channel I feel should be posting content on the actual Halo channel
7:13 I just noticed that those symbols you see in halo 3 odst New Mombasa look similar to the ones on the right side of the video
Fear the old blood...
Wrong franchise but it fits anyway
Something straight out of H.P Lovecrafts f'd up head
Anyone else think the Harbinger is related to the Precursors?
Keen to see the flood re enter our galaxy and how they'll all fight it
Halo wiki describes the precursors as “lovecraftian beings”, which really hammers home the nature of the flood as beings of revenge out to consume everything out of revenge for the betrayal of the Precursors, and it really makes them stand out aesthetically
Nobody is truly gone
One thing I don’t understand is how the forerunners managed to kill one, let alone almost all of the precursors. If the precursors were basically gods then surely they could have just clicked their fingers and killed all the forerunners, or just put one of their indestructible barriers up around them?
imagine we get an in game precursor encounter in infinite
Good job 👍 loved the voice at the end.
Am I the only one that would love to see a halo game that takes place in the deep past. Would love the opportunity to explore that side of the story more
Precursors: your in a video game that kids play, nothing is real not even this… Travisteabag6969 is your god, your audience. Nothing is real.
Everyone: kills themselves
I don't think the flood is "corrupted" at all. It's doing exactly what it was meant to do.
I agree man there's no way the precursors are completely gone. They may make a return in Halo infinite who knows what's going to happen on zeta Halo
It turns out that halo was cosmic horror series the whole time.
Your first images looks suspiciously like a Collector from Mass Effect.
I'd like to point out that the Domain's reappearance is because the IsoDidact and a few other Forerunners "fixed" it in Halo: Promises to Keep.
I thought I loved Halo lore...but YOU are an inspiration
This precursors face has a uncanny resemblance to that of a crab
Or a cockroach.
Can somebody please tell me the name of that soundtrack he uses at the end of the video after the we already do part?
This is just my opinion, but the precursors have always felt poorly written to me.
They supposedly had the power to reshape reality to their will, and yet they were wiped out by the Forerunners, an infinitely less powerful species. I know the explanation is that they somehow developed technology that countered Neural Physics, but that frankly makes now sense, and shouldn't really be possible. The Forerunners had no idea how Neural Physics worked, how could they create technology to counter it? Also, if Neural Physics really is as powerful as it's hyped up to be, then creating technology to counter it shouldn't be possible, and if it is, they could just snap destroy that technology before you finish developing it.
The argument that they didn't care if they were wiped out doesn't make much sense either. They devolved themselves into powder to escape the Forerunners genocide. I also think the Forerunners would have noticed if the guys they had to chase to another galaxy weren't shooting back, and thought that maybe something was wrong. Heck, they wouldn't have had to chase the Precursors if they didn't care about dying.
Here's a thought if the Precursors come back and decide to judge the Created as unfit to hold the Mantle how do you think they would do it?
How about doing a video on how the precursors might view the flood since the flood is a corruption
Why in this and deadspace do the precursors have the old crab shell thing
Sounds like these guys were not big fans of the Prime Directive
The CYCLE must continue!
Can anyone please tell me the name of that soundtrack that plays in the last 40 seconds of this video ?
the precursors are in all galaxies the forrunners cant even make up the force to explorer all the galaxies plus i am sure there know what has happon to the ones that the forrunners had killed and are looking at it as a cycle the precursors can never be wiped out
Hippity Hoppity, all of you are now the Flood's probities
Question: how could the Precursors ever be "corrupted" when they can change form at will and follow different evolutionary pathways? Wouldn't anything that happened between their dissolution and becoming the Flood just be another experience to them? Aren't the Flood just another cycle of them starting from nothing?
If the endless are the precursors, I'm sure that will be answered in the next game. From what I understand. The precursors took the form of subatomic particles and then proceeded to go "dormant" for a few thousands of years. It's possible that during this state of dormancy, foreign enzymes, and possibly cosmic radiation had an adverse effect on them, and without being awake or aware, these "outside stimuli" continued to change them on a fundamental level, until they became the first flood.
@@TheDerek14 Aye I understand that, what I meant was wouldn't any change no matter how unintentional just be another experience and more "sweetness" for the living universe? Sorry if I didn't word it very well I'm not particularly great at the whole communicating of thoughts thing.
@@steweygrrr Yes, as the primordial said, this is also "sweetness", the Flood itself, specifically the Keyminds, is aware of how to use neurophysics.
However that doesn't mean they did it by choice, they are still mortals not gods, susceptible to corruption and each of them had a mind of their own different from the Flood. An example of this was that during the genocide some of them were actively trying to flee and hide and even with the help of some Foreruners they were unable to do so.
So To Summarize... They are Transgalactic Space Hippies?
Do a video about before the precursors
Would their be any easy way for them to bring them into the games? Seems like some complex lore that 95% of fans wont know about
They are beyond death and always will be.
Pls 343 the return of the Precursors would be my dream
They are hungry.
They are coming.
This would be lame as hell
The flood is not devolved precursors, it is an evolution, a species shedding their physical forms and becoming pure neural physics, one with the universe itself, and fused post-hoc with a strong, still-living will in the Primordial
Shaping biological matter as necessary, nothing more than a tool to be directed from the domain, 'death' only more time added to a sentence they never earned
It's insanely more interesting than normal precursors
I would love a human forerunner or forerunner flood war spin off game I just think that 343/Microsoft are missing out on such a great story for a game
They are, to watch and feed. nothing is more tasty than time itself.
What is the name of the first song on the video?
Would be nice to state the references used into these videos
How tf did the forerunners even kill the precursors if the precursor are supposed to be so god like and other worldly ??????
Exactly. They didn't. The Precursors simply moved beyond the a Forerunners reach.
@@Installation00 Losing their bodies, yes, but not their essence.
Though supposedly the Halos CAN kill then, yes?
isn't the gravemind derived from precursor intelligence?