@Reya he has made mistakes with the tyrannids, he has said turbolasers have a 200 gigaton range, he has downplayed spacemarines, he has once, in the best army factions, he took in everything for the others, but only used normal troops for the imperial guard, he also called stormtrooper armor bullet proof, which it isn't.
Bungie-era Covenant weapons were terrifying. Plasma torpedoes would track a ship, as if by magic. They could be fired from the opposite side of a star system and any return shots would pass harmlessly through them, and when they did hit they would melt a dozen decks away like it ain't no thang. You had to be VERY lucky for your ship to not be one-hit-killed. They were significantly watered-down when 343 took over.
I think its to a higher degree caused by UNSC ships being vastly more powerful after the human covenant war, like the Infinity which is IMO, lorewise, too powerful. Suddenly having a UNSC ship that can dance with the forerunners essentially is too much IMO, although I think the idea of the UNSC developing vastly more powerful ships based, partly, off forerunner tech is sensible move for the lore. At any rate. Plasma torpedoes are just not a threat at all to the Infinity whereas a Halcyon Class cruiser would be threatened by them.
Not really the unsc post war technology jumped years ahead with better shields and better titanium alloy armour fomulations. Plus unsc missiles macs and nukes were all greatly improved
Now if the UNSC would have from.caputerd covenant tech developed or turned their Archer middle into giant guided plasma grenades that could have presented a good counter weapon to the plasma torpedoes that could do the damage to a covenant ship that the plasma torpedo does to a UNSC ship or cancel each other they lock into each other
10:58 My favorite cut-scene in all of Halo. Infinity go "We hit a covenant cruiser? meh... We destroyed it when we hit it? Any day... Why? Cuz when we go hand-to-hand, we go hammer!"
This channel had quickly become one of my favourites on TH-cam. The time and effort put into these on a daily basis is incredible. Keep up the Fantastic work, and try not to burn yourself out :)
I think you should do something weird, chose any ship, and both sides have the exact same ship. The catch is that the crews are different, such as Old Republic vs the Empire, or Rebels Vs even the Covenant. Star wars factions, of course will be able to use force users associated with the faction. (11th attempt)
Coil gun, AKA Gauss gun, is more complex but less power intensive and can be built for hand held. Rail gun is larger but less complex yet needs more power. Coil gun uses electromagnetic rings, coils, to individually charge and pull a projectile along. Thus only need a small amount of power which switches between rings. Rail gun uses to long rails with a conductive projectile to complete the circuit and launch with the magnetic field that is generated.
You've got it the wrong way around. For a given barrel length and power supply, rail guns can accelerate a projectile to higher velocities than a Gauss gun - however, because of the higher stresses that firing a rail gun places on the weapon itself, they require much more maintenance, and therefore there is an upper limit on how large they can be. The US Navy ran afoul of this problem - they tried building rail guns for their ships, but the barrels wore out so fast that the project was scrapped because they were deemed impractical. Tldr: Rail guns are better as handheld weapons, Gauss guns for heavy artillery.
João Soares last thing I heard is they’re switching to a modular rail system. Like a changeable Barrel kind of scenario. Turret fires. Reloads. Turns to the aft rail magazine. Old ones are yanked out. New ones shoved in. Turns to the bow. Reloads. Fires. No one likes the idea because the special $billion Railgun destroyers. Wouldn’t be able to use the system. Which makes them useless. Neither can carriers. So they’re just going to keep throwing money at it, until they achieve the impossible and create some funk space material
@@jugganaut33 like the UNSC also to note they need a better more sophisticated power system.to fire the rounds at a fast rate of fire as the long reload times would leave the ship vulnerable
I'm really glad that you're now seeking advice when it comes to universes that you're unfamiliar with. You could still improve on other aspects but I believe this is your best halo video yet. Even if that isn't saying much but still good job.
Loved the video and glad you enjoyed warfleet and everything it brought with it, awesome use of our scale chart btw. If I had to mention one thing about the video though...Shiva nukes! they were used quite a bit in strategic ways and are one of the most commonly mentioned nukes in space combat in canon.
The Yuuzhan Vong vs the Covenant. The Rebel fleet at Scarif vs the the UNSC'S earth defense fleet. The Empires fleet at Endor vs the Covenant fleet of Retribution.
I always thought that the "Plasma Torpedo" was a Scarlet Red Blob of Destruction as described in The Fall of Reach Novel (Kinda like the Romulan Plasma Weapon seen in Star Trek Balance of Terror). the ones showed in the Halo 5 Fall of Reach Movie Adaptation and the Halo Legends Episode "The Package" are used much more abundantly and are tiny and don't result in 1 hit kills against UNSC Ships. For this reason I suspect there are Multiple Types of Plasma Torpedo. The Weapons on the Covenant Corvette are Plasma Cannons which Can shoot Powered Shots (Often Mistaken for Plasma Torpedoes) Phantom Gunboats have Concussion Plasma Cannons. This is merely observation.
Stratpack6 yea the part on plasma cannons is very true as it’s ovbvious to see in halo reach and in halo wars that smaller covenant ships do indeed have a cannon type of weapon
Richard Ched The only Covenant ships that had that extremely powerful, red plasma torpedo were the OSS class battlecruiser and the OAS battlecarrier. Yes, they were powerful enough to practically melt a Paris heavy frigate with one shot, but the covenant only had 1 OSS that was one of the first ships destroyed in the war, and 2 OAS, which were destroyed during reach and during the great schism.
8:10 Whoah, whoah, whoah. 3000 tons at 4% c? That's .. crazy. Assuming they fire the projectile over about a tenth of a second, that's: 2721554 kg * 11991698.32 m/s / 0.1 = 3.26 * 10^15 Joules. That is an insane amount of energy. To put that in perspective, the Sun generates about 3.8 * 10^26 Joules per second. So, that's about a billionth of all the Sun's energy in a second. If you are using nuclear H-H fusion (Hydrogen to Helium), you'd need to fuse about 1606 kg of raw Hydrogen to get that much energy. (H-H Joules per fuse: 6.7 * 10^-14, and 1H is .0167 * 10^-24 kg) Or, with some Googling, it appears that across the planet Earth approximately 3.9 * 10^20 Joules of energy was produced over all of 2013. That one shot would take about one ten-thousandth of all the energy the human race produced in 2013. With that much power at their command, I do not see why the USNC does not use plasma weapons. Plasma is just any matter heated into an ionized gas. High-energy and high-temperature plasmas should be child's play if you can easily generate that much power on a single station fast enough to be used as a weapon. Even if not, it should be no trouble for humanity to set up a crazy powerful EM field to deflect the Covenant plasma weapons. Magnetic forces repel corrsponding to their field strengh, and with that much power to pump in to a field generator, they should be able to bat away any plasmic projectiles with ease.
Um most nukes of the UNSC, Havoc and Shiva (30mt and 50mt respectively) did do serious damage to covenant ships, either shield or the ships themselves, the small nukes you are thinking of that were mainly for EMP was the Fury Tac Nuke, and that is a special ordinance used either to wipe out large amounts of ground forces, or more preferably, to take out a covenant ship through boarding action, and Archers were also used to take out shields to be followed by MAC or nuke fire, there are also many iterations of the Archer Missile, the ones used by say the Spirit of Fire are going to be rather different than the ones used by the UNSC Infinity, the main commonality being that they are presumably compatible with the same missile tubes. as such newer ones are better at taking out shields than their predecessors,
@@physical_insanity i like to imagine the UNSC firing the mac cannons with a simultaneous spread of nuclear missiles. I believe it's their only way to get the covenant shields down before they get completely slaughtered
@@Bruno-G I imagine the same sort of thing, but overtime that sort of thing becomes less effective. The electromagnetic pulse generated by the nukes should be enough to completely - or at least mostly - disable the Covenant shielding, which makes me wonder why the UNSC didn't just spam nukes in the war (especially after getting the shields down, because nukes against unshielded targets in space literally just makes the occupants pop). However, the reason why I suggest using a fleet commander who's lucky is because even if you play that right, you're still going to lose a lot of ships, because Covenant have techniques for evading those shield disabling attacks like precise, in-system slip-space jumps or just shooting the payloads and it's only with a lot of luck and tactical skill will you be able to actually get a straight bullseye. Ay, btw, don't take this as me telling you what you're doing right or wrong, I've just had a lot of fun simulating Halo space battles in my head to the point that I've slowly erred onto unworkable dilemmas like these. But I'm just rambling, so yeah..
Versus list 1) Han Solo vs Sargent Major Avery Junior Johnson 2) Doom Guy vs Boba Fett 3) Interstellar Alliance vs Galactic Empire 4) Warlock class Destroyer vs UNSC cruiser 5) Resurgent class Battlecruiser vs Mandator III Star Dreadnaught 6) Harrower class Dreadnaught vs Venator Star Destroyer 7) Eternal Empire vs Galactic Empire, Total War 8) Minbari Federation vs Covenant, Fleet battle 9) Can the Galactic Empire survive a full scale Zerg invasion? 10) Protos Carrier vs Covenant Assault Carrier 11) Protos Mother ship vs Executor SSD 12) 2M Saber class Repulsor Tank vs Armored Assault Tank 13) Behemoth class Battlecruiser vs Imperial Star Destroyer
I would argue the Cybermen from 'Nightmare in Silver' definitely have the technology advantage. They invaded Gallifrey and nearly took over; no easy feat.
an very cool match up, you have the borg who don't have the armour and built in weapon, but can last all day in a energy weapon duel. on the other hand you have the cybermen, who can literally tank anything up to an RPG and that's the normal version plus built in lasers.
Another video of yours got me thinking about how various factions would stack up against the three entity classes I made in a game design I came up with back in 2012. You're a treasure trove of information! :D
I pre ordered the book and it was awesome! I would recommend it to any Halo Lore fan. I was bummed though because the CSO super-carrier was not included.
8:12 - 8:17 for anyone wondering, the kinetic energy of that MAC round (y'know, the 3,000 ton one that's fired at 4% the speed of light?) is almost 46.77 Gigatons of TNT
Idk if I'm correct but that energy equivalent is close to the energy the tsar Bomba released so if you shot those projectiles in space wouldn't it instantly vaporize covenant ships with ease?
Usual unsc tactics were first do a massed Mac strike which would either take out the target or take out the target's shield which after the mac's are fired archer pods and nukes were fired
I just wanna mention, even though this won't be seen, that the giant energy projector used by Covenant capital ships early on may not have been dual-mode at all. It wouldn't be the first time they used something originally meant for excavation as a weapon and then later created a weapon based on it. The original Scarab from Halo 2 carried an excavation laser and was used in war, later being replaced by a Scarab designed specially for warfare, seen first in Halo 3.
lmao the super carrier actualy has 6 times the energy projectors and it's were mroe powerful and it has about 10 times the point defense and around 4 times the torps.
What about a 2-part matchup? One without a ZPM & onw with a ZPM. I'd like to see what a Post-Unending 304 could do against an Escort Fleet without a ZPM, but with APBs....
You do know that he may believe they would win, but we decide in the polls right? Personally against an Escort Fleet, even with the APBs the 304 will have a hard time winning due to the sheer amount of weapons fire flying around. With a ZPM they stand no chance, little does, even in Stargate. The Daedalus vs Normandy one in more interesting though...
Good point to be fair as a ZPM adds a lot of functions to a BC-304, but a battle against the Odyssey specifically could be cool as it has several unique features such as a cloak and Asgard Core
Yeah the Odyssey would have a distinct advantage against both the Escort Fleet & the Normandy. The Cloak would be useful in taking out each SD by surprise, as well as the Normandy
Marcus Myburgh I've built 2 so far a frigate and the pelican with six comparison to the Star Wars ships, I've only built 2 so far because my computer doesn't have a lot of space and the ABH sometimes breaks my computer I'll post a small video showing them in the ship menu
Marcus Myburgh Its hard because you have to make them the right size and what makes that hard is there is very little information on size comparison between Star Wars and halo and the reason I chose Star Wars was because there's a mod that puts Star Wars ship into the game, but the ship are good have very similar weapons to there real counter parts ABH has a lot of the weapons I'll try to make covenant ships eventually
MK2 (Modified) MAC is the Triple Shot variant, that uses a lighter ferric-Tungsten Carbide Projectile to decrease the amount of energy use to fire it, also the capacitors recycle the energy to allow it to fire multiple times at full charge, this variant of MAC was Designed to Cripple a covenant ships shields before finish it of with Archer missiles.
I got the book, it was pretty good. My only complaint is that it's too short! lol Some more detailing to some of the designs would've been nice, too, though. Only special ships got full detail with color and sections really. Still worth the money, though.
The flood are stronger then tyrainds precursors are the gods of the universe they could erase 40k and the forerunners and ancient humanity would fuck up most of 40k
SoldiersofHonor the thing is, FORERUNNERS are incredibly advance, you know what feats their civilization has done, far beyond any capabilities of the civilizations in Warhammer Universe.
The fact UNSC uses mass drivers, is the most practical and functional experts clearly point the inumerous advantage of mass drivers against energy based weapons including plasma based
mass drivers are actually one of the most ineffective weapons to use against covenant electron base shielding which is only really vulnerable to plasma and EMP, because a good part of the kinetic energy is deflected when impacting the shield and that plasma weapons are far more energetic.
you have made some point and we have seen evidence in halo cannon of the vulnerability of covenant shields to EMP and energy based weapons, but we have also evidence of kinetic strikes damaging our destroying covenant ships, such as ODP's our in the animation the fall of reach, we se the commonwealth fire one missile salvo that does nothing and two mac rounds one damage's the shield a second penetrates clean threw the CCS and to be clear I was referring to modern experts and engineers, since kinetic weapons can do both thermal and kinetic damage and in greater amounts to plasma, our lasers that just do thermal damage, the military like energy weapons simply because it means no need to carry ammunition, but resent reports show them not as practical as they appear in sci-fi
I don't know if you mentioned it or maybe I missed it. But another downside to the covie weapons are that they are very crude in energy direction, meaning that in the First Strike (I believe) Cortana was able to focus the plasma into beams, not just blobs of plasma that had more surgical precision. Pretty sure she also cut open another ship with the beams as well.
I have an idea for a match up but it seems kind of random but here it goes: 1 Steel Striders Norge class battleship vs The USS Montanna, The Steel Striders are a faction from the game From The Depths which is a game where you must build ships whith as much firepower, armour and speed to destroy the 7 factions that inhabit Neter (the primary planet for the game). All the research is on the ship but if needed to I can do some of it for you.
Wait, like an infantry enguagement? No contest, elites have far superious equipment with active camo and personal shields forget their weaponry, the elites stand at nearly 8' tall of taller. If you were to include vehicles in the mix, scarab is all terrain, super powerful with its main plasma weapon, no hoth tricks here. Lastly with covenant technology, it is very possible to put an energy shield on mostly any vehicle; if they can put a shield on a massive capitol ship, it wouldnt be too far of a stretch to say that there was a scarab or two with a shield. Pretty sure the swords of sanghelios would have a few scarabs lying around leftover from the covenant era at their disposal
And their strenght ius measured in...kilojoules XD "Like most Covenant weapons, the pulse laser turrets are rated in the kilowatt range". *Halo: Contact Harvest* page 27 XDD
My absolute favorite unsc ship is the Abstract Endurance and my favorite covenant ship is the Ardent prayer and for forerunners it would be the anodyne spirit
This is why I believe the empire would lose in a war with the covenant their ships arsenal,capabilities and design greatly out weigh that of the Star destroyers especially since Star Wars shielding is no where near as powerful as covenant/“forerunner” shielding and amor plating. The species of the covenant are also more deadlier than any of the sentient Star Wars races, covenant weaponry is also more traumatic than the laser weaponry of Star Wars with their plasma being able to burn stormtrooper armor and ignoring the trooper suit designed to withstand a great many shot of “blaster fire”. Covenant production of ships as well as Tripp’s is also greater because they essentially have 2 species capable of providing millions-billions of cannon fodder and workers daily (unggoy, and yanme) they also hold control of the lekgolo (worms with the capability of sapience once culminated into a larger being and could be formed into sacrabs, locusts, hunters etc. I could honestly go all day with the numerous advantages the covenant holds over their subpar counterparts.
I've always felt that the UNSC should have laser Point-defense on their ships. Prowlers have pulse lasers, and really, the Spartan lasers are pretty much begging to be mounted on vehicles and starships. Just make a battery of big ones and boom. UNSC point defence is now on par with that of the Covenant.
lmao the UNSC point defense wouldn't be on par as it takes to long for the spartan lasers to charge up lmao and the machine guns are so much better cause they UNSC doesn't have the ability to power all the spartan lasers (they take way more energy than you would ever think)
2:43 If that small of a strike can cause the entire ship to explode, I suggest firing the guy who designed it. We can see the blast hardly hit the ship at all. Had the ship just failed, okay fine, but the entire thing exploding, no way.
EckhartsLadder if you ever read this, I was just wondering where you got the halo animsted videos. I'm not talking about the actual Halo games cutscenes but rather the other video cuts
Kinetic weapons are more efficient in terms of ratio of energy consumed to energy delivered than energy weapons, and will therefor most likely remain humanity's primary way of attacking for the foreseeable future. The only exception I can see to this is when talking about combat at interplanetary ranges, as kinetic weapons are limited to traveling slower than the speed of light, and light-based weapons could be more advantageous at those ranges.
Wanna know a fun fact? Not only would a nuke creat an EMP, but the amount of radiation coming from the blast could cause sever damage to a ship IF said ship is kilometre away.
At one point the energy projector used the same technology as the beam rifle. I still believe, and its part of my own head cannon that the covenant use a particle beam projector for the energy projector as if it was plasma it would only move as fast as the plasma torpedoes. As a reminder the energy projector travels at the speed of light while the torpedo does not.
Old Republic Hammerhead vs Republic Dreadnought class Cruiser Xwing vs Tie Hunter Covenant Elite/Brute Honor Guard vs Emperor's Royal Guard or the CIS Magna Guard
Assuming one ton is 907 kilograms, the speed of light is 299,792,458 m/s, and that a megaton is 4.184e+15 joules, that means an orbital defense platform mac has a yield of 46768.849 megatons for a single shot. That's a lot of firepower.
The Halo Encyclopedia places a ship mounted MAC at .4c or 40% of the speed of light. This is supposed to be the definitive guide to the Halo universe. And written in collaboration with 343I. So yeah apparently that's the max charge of a ships MAC gun. The super MAC fires at .5c or 50% of the speed of light. Same source.
+Master Chief Petty Officer John-117 The Flood can't out do ( Doom 4 ) DOOM GUY ANTI-MONITOR THE VOID THE SHADOWS NECROMORPHS IT or MASTER CHIFS ENERGY SHIELD lol.
The Flood is really good against biological-centric civilizations and civilizations with large amounts of FTL capable civilian ships. Flood vs Xenomorphs depends on the scenario. If it's a full on Flood Infestation vs a full on Xenomorph infestation, the Flood wins due to superior central intelligence.
You should do the same kind of list for 40k ship weapons. With some kind of guest 40k (battlefleet gothic?) expert perhaps if you don't think you can pull it off by yourself?
I would love to hear what you have to say about the Warhammer 40K/Battlefleet Gothic. Namely the Imperial Navy weapons: Macro cannon batteries, Plasma Macro cannon batteries, Lances and the various torpedoes.
If the plasma torpedo is now a magnetically guided projectile, what was the other MGP they mention in the books? Same thing? I always assumed their plasma shots were a lot like Wraith shots, only much larger and controlled magnetically to some degree.
Bruh, this is becoming the ultimate Sci-Fi channel!
Xyro you sure? more like a starwars/ halo channel
Generation Tech is also pretty cool.
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@Reya he has made mistakes with the tyrannids, he has said turbolasers have a 200 gigaton range, he has downplayed spacemarines, he has once, in the best army factions, he took in everything for the others, but only used normal troops for the imperial guard, he also called stormtrooper armor bullet proof, which it isn't.
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Bungie-era Covenant weapons were terrifying. Plasma torpedoes would track a ship, as if by magic. They could be fired from the opposite side of a star system and any return shots would pass harmlessly through them, and when they did hit they would melt a dozen decks away like it ain't no thang. You had to be VERY lucky for your ship to not be one-hit-killed. They were significantly watered-down when 343 took over.
I think its to a higher degree caused by UNSC ships being vastly more powerful after the human covenant war, like the Infinity which is IMO, lorewise, too powerful. Suddenly having a UNSC ship that can dance with the forerunners essentially is too much IMO, although I think the idea of the UNSC developing vastly more powerful ships based, partly, off forerunner tech is sensible move for the lore.
At any rate. Plasma torpedoes are just not a threat at all to the Infinity whereas a Halcyon Class cruiser would be threatened by them.
Not really the unsc post war technology jumped years ahead with better shields and better titanium alloy armour fomulations. Plus unsc missiles macs and nukes were all greatly improved
Now if the UNSC would have from.caputerd covenant tech developed or turned their Archer middle into giant guided plasma grenades that could have presented a good counter weapon to the plasma torpedoes that could do the damage to a covenant ship that the plasma torpedo does to a UNSC ship or cancel each other they lock into each other
@@TheLordexilius … and then they were creamed by Banished plasma again (though admittedly, Banished also use missiles).
@@mattmc9812 … and then they were creamed by Banished plasma again (though admittedly, Banished also use missiles).
What's your favorite unsc ship?
Mine is the spirit of fire
UNSC Iroquois bruh
UNSC Savannah
I meant THE PILLAR OF AUTUM that is a classic.
THE UNSC MOTHER OF INTERVENTION WAS THE BEST but it's gone now and thats sad.
The destroyed ones
Jk Paris Class Frigate
10:58 My favorite cut-scene in all of Halo. Infinity go "We hit a covenant cruiser? meh... We destroyed it when we hit it? Any day... Why? Cuz when we go hand-to-hand, we go hammer!"
they didn't even lose shields as it happened
The infinity was long and hard and had maximum penitration
ODST vs arc troopers, great video!
This channel had quickly become one of my favourites on TH-cam. The time and effort put into these on a daily basis is incredible. Keep up the Fantastic work, and try not to burn yourself out :)
I think you should do something weird, chose any ship, and both sides have the exact same ship. The catch is that the crews are different, such as Old Republic vs the Empire, or Rebels Vs even the Covenant. Star wars factions, of course will be able to use force users associated with the faction.
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the ship-to-ship battles were some of my favorite parts from the novels. Awesome video!
You missed the shiva missiles
And the deck guns
the shivas are the nukes lol
Coil gun, AKA Gauss gun, is more complex but less power intensive and can be built for hand held. Rail gun is larger but less complex yet needs more power. Coil gun uses electromagnetic rings, coils, to individually charge and pull a projectile along. Thus only need a small amount of power which switches between rings. Rail gun uses to long rails with a conductive projectile to complete the circuit and launch with the magnetic field that is generated.
You've got it the wrong way around. For a given barrel length and power supply, rail guns can accelerate a projectile to higher velocities than a Gauss gun - however, because of the higher stresses that firing a rail gun places on the weapon itself, they require much more maintenance, and therefore there is an upper limit on how large they can be. The US Navy ran afoul of this problem - they tried building rail guns for their ships, but the barrels wore out so fast that the project was scrapped because they were deemed impractical.
Tldr: Rail guns are better as handheld weapons, Gauss guns for heavy artillery.
@@Pyreleaf the project is still up, one of the things they're testing is how to improve the durability of the rails,
João Soares last thing I heard is they’re switching to a modular rail system. Like a changeable Barrel kind of scenario. Turret fires. Reloads. Turns to the aft rail magazine. Old ones are yanked out. New ones shoved in. Turns to the bow. Reloads. Fires.
No one likes the idea because the special $billion Railgun destroyers. Wouldn’t be able to use the system. Which makes them useless. Neither can carriers.
So they’re just going to keep throwing money at it, until they achieve the impossible and create some funk space material
@@Pyreleaf question does that mean that the U.S Navy put the rail guns on hold until better material are found
@@jugganaut33 like the UNSC also to note they need a better more sophisticated power system.to fire the rounds at a fast rate of fire as the long reload times would leave the ship vulnerable
I'm really glad that you're now seeking advice when it comes to universes that you're unfamiliar with. You could still improve on other aspects but I believe this is your best halo video yet. Even if that isn't saying much but still good job.
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Loved the video and glad you enjoyed warfleet and everything it brought with it, awesome use of our scale chart btw. If I had to mention one thing about the video though...Shiva nukes! they were used quite a bit in strategic ways and are one of the most commonly mentioned nukes in space combat in canon.
The Yuuzhan Vong vs the Covenant.
The Rebel fleet at Scarif vs the the UNSC'S earth defense fleet.
The Empires fleet at Endor vs the Covenant fleet of Retribution.
I always thought that the "Plasma Torpedo" was a Scarlet Red Blob of Destruction as described in The Fall of Reach Novel (Kinda like the Romulan Plasma Weapon seen in Star Trek Balance of Terror). the ones showed in the Halo 5 Fall of Reach Movie Adaptation and the Halo Legends Episode "The Package" are used much more abundantly and are tiny and don't result in 1 hit kills against UNSC Ships. For this reason I suspect there are Multiple Types of Plasma Torpedo. The Weapons on the Covenant Corvette are Plasma Cannons which Can shoot Powered Shots (Often Mistaken for Plasma Torpedoes) Phantom Gunboats have Concussion Plasma Cannons. This is merely observation.
Richard Ched That, and there were multiple retcons since the fall of reach novel
Richard Ched I agree with that as the novels give great descriptions of weapons.
Stratpack6 yea the part on plasma cannons is very true as it’s ovbvious to see in halo reach and in halo wars that smaller covenant ships do indeed have a cannon type of weapon
Richard Ched The only Covenant ships that had that extremely powerful, red plasma torpedo were the OSS class battlecruiser and the OAS battlecarrier. Yes, they were powerful enough to practically melt a Paris heavy frigate with one shot, but the covenant only had 1 OSS that was one of the first ships destroyed in the war, and 2 OAS, which were destroyed during reach and during the great schism.
It’s just like the unsc, different size Mac cannons and flak turrets. The missiles for the most part are the same though.
8:10 Whoah, whoah, whoah. 3000 tons at 4% c? That's .. crazy.
Assuming they fire the projectile over about a tenth of a second, that's:
2721554 kg * 11991698.32 m/s / 0.1 = 3.26 * 10^15 Joules. That is an insane amount of energy.
To put that in perspective, the Sun generates about 3.8 * 10^26 Joules per second. So, that's about a billionth of all the Sun's energy in a second.
If you are using nuclear H-H fusion (Hydrogen to Helium), you'd need to fuse about 1606 kg of raw Hydrogen to get that much energy.
(H-H Joules per fuse: 6.7 * 10^-14, and 1H is .0167 * 10^-24 kg)
Or, with some Googling, it appears that across the planet Earth approximately 3.9 * 10^20 Joules of energy was produced over all of 2013. That one shot would take about one ten-thousandth of all the energy the human race produced in 2013.
With that much power at their command, I do not see why the USNC does not use plasma weapons. Plasma is just any matter heated into an ionized gas. High-energy and high-temperature plasmas should be child's play if you can easily generate that much power on a single station fast enough to be used as a weapon. Even if not, it should be no trouble for humanity to set up a crazy powerful EM field to deflect the Covenant plasma weapons. Magnetic forces repel corrsponding to their field strengh, and with that much power to pump in to a field generator, they should be able to bat away any plasmic projectiles with ease.
I appreciate the minor effort to keep halo closer to science fiction than science fantasy!
Please make more of these Halo lore videos! They are brilliant and I hope they are interesting to write.
Um most nukes of the UNSC, Havoc and Shiva (30mt and 50mt respectively) did do serious damage to covenant ships, either shield or the ships themselves, the small nukes you are thinking of that were mainly for EMP was the Fury Tac Nuke, and that is a special ordinance used either to wipe out large amounts of ground forces, or more preferably, to take out a covenant ship through boarding action, and Archers were also used to take out shields to be followed by MAC or nuke fire, there are also many iterations of the Archer Missile, the ones used by say the Spirit of Fire are going to be rather different than the ones used by the UNSC Infinity, the main commonality being that they are presumably compatible with the same missile tubes. as such newer ones are better at taking out shields than their predecessors,
Anyone else create and play out battles like this in their minds before they go to sleep?
I've Lost a Lot of UNSC ships in my mind '-'
@@Bruno-G Lmao, get a fleet commander who's extremely lucky, you'll lose a lot less ships that way.
@@physical_insanity i like to imagine the UNSC firing the mac cannons with a simultaneous spread of nuclear missiles. I believe it's their only way to get the covenant shields down before they get completely slaughtered
@@Bruno-G I imagine the same sort of thing, but overtime that sort of thing becomes less effective. The electromagnetic pulse generated by the nukes should be enough to completely - or at least mostly - disable the Covenant shielding, which makes me wonder why the UNSC didn't just spam nukes in the war (especially after getting the shields down, because nukes against unshielded targets in space literally just makes the occupants pop).
However, the reason why I suggest using a fleet commander who's lucky is because even if you play that right, you're still going to lose a lot of ships, because Covenant have techniques for evading those shield disabling attacks like precise, in-system slip-space jumps or just shooting the payloads and it's only with a lot of luck and tactical skill will you be able to actually get a straight bullseye.
Ay, btw, don't take this as me telling you what you're doing right or wrong, I've just had a lot of fun simulating Halo space battles in my head to the point that I've slowly erred onto unworkable dilemmas like these. But I'm just rambling, so yeah..
Versus list
1) Han Solo vs Sargent Major Avery Junior Johnson
2) Doom Guy vs Boba Fett
3) Interstellar Alliance vs Galactic Empire
4) Warlock class Destroyer vs UNSC cruiser
5) Resurgent class Battlecruiser vs Mandator III Star Dreadnaught
6) Harrower class Dreadnaught vs Venator Star Destroyer
7) Eternal Empire vs Galactic Empire, Total War
8) Minbari Federation vs Covenant, Fleet battle
9) Can the Galactic Empire survive a full scale Zerg invasion?
10) Protos Carrier vs Covenant Assault Carrier
11) Protos Mother ship vs Executor SSD
12) 2M Saber class Repulsor Tank vs Armored Assault Tank
13) Behemoth class Battlecruiser vs Imperial Star Destroyer
I would like to see the first one
actually I want to see the second one, that would be badass vs badass
Doom Guy would SLAUGHTER Boba Fett, but still a really cool idea though!
I've got this idea CAPTAIN REX VS BOBA FETT what you think any one respect people.
+KillerDud301 Hell ya he would especially Doom 4 Doom Guy.
Finally, someone who knows the difference between a coilgun and a railgun instead of mindlessly obfuscating them. *NICE!* *Loved* the video.
The Cybermen vs The Borg.
Johnny Kilroy The Cybermen have superior numbers but inferior tecnology.
But we don't know the effect the Borg nanocells would have on them.
The cybermen. They fought in a crossover and the cybermen nearly wiped out the borg.
I would argue the Cybermen from 'Nightmare in Silver' definitely have the technology advantage. They invaded Gallifrey and nearly took over; no easy feat.
who would upgrade who?
an very cool match up, you have the borg who don't have the armour and built in weapon, but can last all day in a energy weapon duel. on the other hand you have the cybermen, who can literally tank anything up to an RPG and that's the normal version plus built in lasers.
Another video of yours got me thinking about how various factions would stack up against the three entity classes I made in a game design I came up with back in 2012. You're a treasure trove of information! :D
H6 Juggernaut vs AT-AT
UNSC Autumn Class Cruiser vs Imperial 2 Class Star Destroyer
CIS Super Tank vs AT-AT
J P destroyers would crush
The autum destroyed them with ease.
The Juggernaut would just ram the AT-AT
Awesome video! I'd love to see more like it in the future, like maybe one on the Mass Effect capital ship weapons or maybe the Star Trek ones
Hey. Can you do one on Battletech/Mechwarrior?
madcat789 i second, i love that universe
madcat789 I third it
Perhaps atlas vs atat?
I fourth that opinion.
I ^2 that opinion.
I pre ordered the book and it was awesome! I would recommend it to any Halo Lore fan. I was bummed though because the CSO super-carrier was not included.
*Warhammer 40k vs Pokemon*
Oh god lol...
Dude Jigglypuff stomps them all lol.
Tau Commander Warhammer 40k stands no chance against Pokémon
Tau Commander WHAT IS THIS HERESY!!!!! Mon-Keigh!
Tau Commander
Pokemon
8:12 - 8:17
for anyone wondering, the kinetic energy of that MAC round (y'know, the 3,000 ton one that's fired at 4% the speed of light?) is almost 46.77 Gigatons of TNT
Think you may be off there...
Idk if I'm correct but that energy equivalent is close to the energy the tsar Bomba released so if you shot those projectiles in space wouldn't it instantly vaporize covenant ships with ease?
@@FreezyPop long range Tsar bomb blasts
@@FreezyPop You're both off on that one. The yield would be 51.6Gt and the Tsar Bomba was only 50Mt (slightly under 1/1000th the energy).
Usual unsc tactics were first do a massed Mac strike which would either take out the target or take out the target's shield which after the mac's are fired archer pods and nukes were fired
It's better to fire the missiles first as they are slower than MACs, that way they will hit at almost the same time
I just wanna mention, even though this won't be seen, that the giant energy projector used by Covenant capital ships early on may not have been dual-mode at all. It wouldn't be the first time they used something originally meant for excavation as a weapon and then later created a weapon based on it. The original Scarab from Halo 2 carried an excavation laser and was used in war, later being replaced by a Scarab designed specially for warfare, seen first in Halo 3.
I feelthere is some UNSC naval coil guns that can take down a covenant ship. I like the Spitfire or the Breakwater
Star Wars Galaxy Vs StarGate Milky way Galaxy Replicators PLEASE!
Commander Lakar If the Empire could take down the replicators ships without them boarding one of their own the Empire could win
Commander Lakar YYYOOOOOO!!!
Woohoo! Lots of research went into the video.
+erickyboo thanks for that!
If there is a number on the amount of energy projectors/torpedoes on an assualt carrier, just triple the amount to get the amount on the super carrier
Thegamingzilla No?
lmao the super carrier actualy has 6 times the energy projectors and it's were mroe powerful and it has about 10 times the point defense and around 4 times the torps.
Wraith (Stargate) vs Galactic Empire (Star Wars)
BC-304 Daedalus-class Battlecruiser (Stargate, Post-Unending, No ZPM) vs Imperial Escort Fleet (Star Wars)
BC-304 USS Daedalus (Stargate, Pre-Unending, No ZPM) vs SSV Normandy SR-2 (Mass Effect)
I'd let the USAF BC-304s have a ZPM against an entire Escort Fleet
What about a 2-part matchup? One without a ZPM & onw with a ZPM. I'd like to see what a Post-Unending 304 could do against an Escort Fleet without a ZPM, but with APBs....
You do know that he may believe they would win, but we decide in the polls right? Personally against an Escort Fleet, even with the APBs the 304 will have a hard time winning due to the sheer amount of weapons fire flying around. With a ZPM they stand no chance, little does, even in Stargate. The Daedalus vs Normandy one in more interesting though...
Good point to be fair as a ZPM adds a lot of functions to a BC-304, but a battle against the Odyssey specifically could be cool as it has several unique features such as a cloak and Asgard Core
Yeah the Odyssey would have a distinct advantage against both the Escort Fleet & the Normandy. The Cloak would be useful in taking out each SD by surprise, as well as the Normandy
Mac: Big Fuck You Railgun
Energy Pr-*Ahem* "Plazma Lance": Big beam of light.
I'm going to use this video to make halo ships in cosmoteer using ABH mod
Zachary Rivera I wanna see the ships,tried making the ships in reassembly,not so easy
Marcus Myburgh I've built 2 so far a frigate and the pelican with six comparison to the Star Wars ships, I've only built 2 so far because my computer doesn't have a lot of space and the ABH sometimes breaks my computer I'll post a small video showing them in the ship menu
Marcus Myburgh Its hard because you have to make them the right size and what makes that hard is there is very little information on size comparison between Star Wars and halo and the reason I chose Star Wars was because there's a mod that puts Star Wars ship into the game, but the ship are good have very similar weapons to there real counter parts ABH has a lot of the weapons I'll try to make covenant ships eventually
Did not expect to see a fellow cosmoteer here
elite honour guard (halo 2/halo wars 2) vs imperial royal guards (star wars) 1v1 then squad. Banished (halo wars 2) vs first order (star wars)
The Banished vs The First Order is actually a great idea.
Atriox vs Kylo Ren....I feel bad for Kylo.
probs have to be ground only tho since the banished only have 1 CAS 5 CCS and 1 SVD heavy corvette
but the banished have yap yap the destroyer and he is a god.
Yap Yap > the entire Imperial Navy.
Mandator class II vs Mediator class star cruiser
I WILL NEVER GIVE UP!!
+ Nice video as i dont know that much about HALO
7:55 The ships look like literal guns.
That is what I noticed as well
MK2 (Modified) MAC is the Triple Shot variant, that uses a lighter ferric-Tungsten Carbide Projectile to decrease the amount of energy use to fire it, also the capacitors recycle the energy to allow it to fire multiple times at full charge, this variant of MAC was Designed to Cripple a covenant ships shields before finish it of with Archer missiles.
didn't it also fire a special slug meant to splinter inside the ship instead of just punching a clean hole?
Miguel lopez yes I did mention the lighter Ferric-Tungsten carbide Projectiles, they use instead of the heavy Depleted Uranium rounds
I got the book, it was pretty good. My only complaint is that it's too short! lol Some more detailing to some of the designs would've been nice, too, though. Only special ships got full detail with color and sections really. Still worth the money, though.
Halo weaponry and tech are both *vastly* more interesting than any of that stuff is in Star Wars
because they actually bother explaining the science behind the weapons, star wars is basically a fantasy with the skin of a Si-fy.
Forerunner (Halo) vs. a United Warhammer Universe (Warhammer 40k)
SoldiersofHonor I'll go get the Index, this is gonna end with the death of all life. And maybe the Warp itself, Necrons probably will survive though.
There really is no contest here, considering the Flood are downgraded Tyranids.
Dreadnought Are the Tyranids the Old One, no? Because the Flood is the Precursors.
The flood are stronger then tyrainds precursors are the gods of the universe they could erase 40k and the forerunners and ancient humanity would fuck up most of 40k
SoldiersofHonor the thing is, FORERUNNERS are incredibly advance, you know what feats their civilization has done, far beyond any capabilities of the civilizations in Warhammer Universe.
i waited so much for warfleet to come out :3!
You missed quite a few UNSC ship weapons: Howler missiles? Rapier missiles? Matos pulse laser turrets? ship mounted EMP cannon? Hornet nuclear anti-ship mines? Onager/mini-mac deck guns? Lance and Scythe short range air/space defense systems?
The fact UNSC uses mass drivers, is the most practical and functional experts clearly point the inumerous advantage of mass drivers against energy based weapons including plasma based
mass drivers are actually one of the most ineffective weapons to use against covenant electron base shielding which is only really vulnerable to plasma and EMP, because a good part of the kinetic energy is deflected when impacting the shield and that plasma weapons are far more energetic.
you have made some point and we have seen evidence in halo cannon of the vulnerability of covenant shields to EMP and energy based weapons, but we have also evidence of kinetic strikes damaging our destroying covenant ships, such as ODP's our in the animation the fall of reach, we se the commonwealth fire one missile salvo that does nothing and two mac rounds one damage's the shield a second penetrates clean threw the CCS and to be clear I was referring to modern experts and engineers, since kinetic weapons can do both thermal and kinetic damage and in greater amounts to plasma, our lasers that just do thermal damage, the military like energy weapons simply because it means no need to carry ammunition, but resent reports show them not as practical as they appear in sci-fi
ik this video was made 4 years ago but this was really helpful, you just earnt a sub from me!
You should have used the battle scene in The Fall of Reach movie in your video. It explins some of the ship weapons in battle.
I don't know if you mentioned it or maybe I missed it. But another downside to the covie weapons are that they are very crude in energy direction, meaning that in the First Strike (I believe) Cortana was able to focus the plasma into beams, not just blobs of plasma that had more surgical precision. Pretty sure she also cut open another ship with the beams as well.
I have an idea for a match up but it seems kind of random but here it goes:
1 Steel Striders Norge class battleship vs The USS Montanna,
The Steel Striders are a faction from the game From The Depths which is a game where you must build ships whith as much firepower, armour and speed to destroy the 7 factions that inhabit Neter (the primary planet for the game).
All the research is on the ship but if needed to I can do some of it for you.
I believe the novels when describing a UNSC ship getting hit by one of those it says it boils away the hull.
In the novels the plasma torpedoes were always magnetically guided. It led to some very interesting maneuvers by the UNSC.
Another fantastic video. I especially love this one
Swords of Sanghelios [halo] vs rebel alliance [Star Wars]
Wait, like an infantry enguagement? No contest, elites have far superious equipment with active camo and personal shields forget their weaponry, the elites stand at nearly 8' tall of taller. If you were to include vehicles in the mix, scarab is all terrain, super powerful with its main plasma weapon, no hoth tricks here. Lastly with covenant technology, it is very possible to put an energy shield on mostly any vehicle; if they can put a shield on a massive capitol ship, it wouldnt be too far of a stretch to say that there was a scarab or two with a shield. Pretty sure the swords of sanghelios would have a few scarabs lying around leftover from the covenant era at their disposal
Your vids are so good keep it up bro your the best
Can't wait for the plasma torpedo wars
10:58 i had so much trouble trying to find that clip
Recon WB why?
And their strenght ius measured in...kilojoules XD
"Like most Covenant weapons, the pulse laser turrets are rated in the kilowatt range".
*Halo: Contact Harvest* page 27
XDD
I love your Halo vids, dude! Keep it up! You should do a realistic video on UNSC small arms. I would love to help with the research.
This was pretty awesome
i needed this vid thank you so much
"Thanks to -whoever he is- ; He was really invalueble"
this video just gave me an idea.
For a versus.
Yautja vs Covenant land battle.
Imperium of man vs Covenant.
My absolute favorite unsc ship is the Abstract Endurance and my favorite covenant ship is the Ardent prayer and for forerunners it would be the anodyne spirit
This is why I believe the empire would lose in a war with the covenant their ships arsenal,capabilities and design greatly out weigh that of the Star destroyers especially since Star Wars shielding is no where near as powerful as covenant/“forerunner” shielding and amor plating. The species of the covenant are also more deadlier than any of the sentient Star Wars races, covenant weaponry is also more traumatic than the laser weaponry of Star Wars with their plasma being able to burn stormtrooper armor and ignoring the trooper suit designed to withstand a great many shot of “blaster fire”. Covenant production of ships as well as Tripp’s is also greater because they essentially have 2 species capable of providing millions-billions of cannon fodder and workers daily (unggoy, and yanme) they also hold control of the lekgolo (worms with the capability of sapience once culminated into a larger being and could be formed into sacrabs, locusts, hunters etc. I could honestly go all day with the numerous advantages the covenant holds over their subpar counterparts.
*troops
I've always felt that the UNSC should have laser Point-defense on their ships. Prowlers have pulse lasers, and really, the Spartan lasers are pretty much begging to be mounted on vehicles and starships. Just make a battery of big ones and boom. UNSC point defence is now on par with that of the Covenant.
lmao the UNSC point defense wouldn't be on par as it takes to long for the spartan lasers to charge up lmao and the machine guns are so much better cause they UNSC doesn't have the ability to power all the spartan lasers (they take way more energy than you would ever think)
2:43 If that small of a strike can cause the entire ship to explode, I suggest firing the guy who designed it. We can see the blast hardly hit the ship at all. Had the ship just failed, okay fine, but the entire thing exploding, no way.
Could you make a video about the history of the human-covenant war listing all the battles and their outcomes for both sides?
Never realized that Halo got so cool ships.
EckhartsLadder if you ever read this, I was just wondering where you got the halo animsted videos. I'm not talking about the actual Halo games cutscenes but rather the other video cuts
Question why didn't the forerunners glass the flood or was that possible it seems very effective for that purpose
Kinetic weapons are more efficient in terms of ratio of energy consumed to energy delivered than energy weapons, and will therefor most likely remain humanity's primary way of attacking for the foreseeable future. The only exception I can see to this is when talking about combat at interplanetary ranges, as kinetic weapons are limited to traveling slower than the speed of light, and light-based weapons could be more advantageous at those ranges.
Wanna know a fun fact? Not only would a nuke creat an EMP, but the amount of radiation coming from the blast could cause sever damage to a ship IF said ship is kilometre away.
Please do the Protoss vs the Covenant, the Flood vs the Zerg, and UNSC vs the Terran Dominion
Halo Four Runner Vs StarGate Ancients!
Commander Lakar yes, bringing in the stargate franchise would be good
Commander Lakar The only problem with that ia we know very little about exacly how Ancient society worked.
Yes I've been asking him for stargate like three times by now 😁
Well, probably fore runners would win, as they are almsot god like, and the ancients are just a very advanced civilization.
Przemek Sosna exactly
Unsc spirit of fire will always be my favorite but I've always wondered what the interior looks like because it's a reffited colony ship
At one point the energy projector used the same technology as the beam rifle. I still believe, and its part of my own head cannon that the covenant use a particle beam projector for the energy projector as if it was plasma it would only move as fast as the plasma torpedoes. As a reminder the energy projector travels at the speed of light while the torpedo does not.
I want a pure star wars starship battle ,leave aside the cross universe matchups for at least one episode.
Like THE V WING VS THE FIRST ORDER TIE FIGHTER.
Old Republic Hammerhead vs Republic Dreadnought class Cruiser
Xwing vs Tie Hunter
Covenant Elite/Brute Honor Guard vs Emperor's Royal Guard or the CIS Magna Guard
Punic Super Carriers need to have a comeback.
For one entry for the Star Wars Versus series... can we see the Galactic Empire taking on Skynet from the Terminator series?
SDF Olympus Mons VD UNCS Piller of Autum (19th time trying)
Assuming one ton is 907 kilograms, the speed of light is 299,792,458 m/s, and that a megaton is 4.184e+15 joules, that means an orbital defense platform mac has a yield of 46768.849 megatons for a single shot. That's a lot of firepower.
Eckhart another great video. Tech lore is something I just eat up 🤩😋
Hi Eckhart. Have you ever done a Covenant vs Goa'uld episode?
The Halo Encyclopedia places a ship mounted MAC at .4c or 40% of the speed of light. This is supposed to be the definitive guide to the Halo universe. And written in collaboration with 343I. So yeah apparently that's the max charge of a ships MAC gun.
The super MAC fires at .5c or 50% of the speed of light.
Same source.
FUCKIN LOVE THE SONGGG AT THE END specially when I'm stoned
sea weed do you know what sing is playing in the beginning of the vid?
Eckhartsladder are u going to make a video on the different types of halo ships and the number of fighters and personnel on board the ship.
Autumn was a small ship though.
I love Halo, thanks!
Flood Vs XenoMorphs
Flood > Everything
flood win
+Master Chief Petty Officer John-117 The Flood can't out do ( Doom 4 ) DOOM GUY ANTI-MONITOR THE VOID THE SHADOWS NECROMORPHS IT or MASTER CHIFS ENERGY SHIELD lol.
The Flood is really good against biological-centric civilizations and civilizations with large amounts of FTL capable civilian ships. Flood vs Xenomorphs depends on the scenario. If it's a full on Flood Infestation vs a full on Xenomorph infestation, the Flood wins due to superior central intelligence.
The Immortal Super Being
Flood > *EVERYTHING*
Tbh quick question perhaps you should have made a nod to the slibspace bomb although it was an improvised weapon system
You should do the same kind of list for 40k ship weapons. With some kind of guest 40k (battlefleet gothic?) expert perhaps if you don't think you can pull it off by yourself?
I would love to hear what you have to say about the Warhammer 40K/Battlefleet Gothic. Namely the Imperial Navy weapons: Macro cannon batteries, Plasma Macro cannon batteries, Lances and the various torpedoes.
If the plasma torpedo is now a magnetically guided projectile, what was the other MGP they mention in the books? Same thing? I always assumed their plasma shots were a lot like Wraith shots, only much larger and controlled magnetically to some degree.
Don't forget those big, steel bullbars they have around the ship's bow to smash into other ships
Where is that scene from at 10:20. One of the games ? Or a video on TH-cam ?
I know you don't do episodes on them but could you do capital ship weapons of Star Trek?