What do you guys think about the DAV3? Worth it or not? CORRECTION: In the video I report 650 IPS for the Focus Pro. That is INCORRECT and a typo. I meant to put 750 IPS. The 650 IPS is for the previous Focus+ Sensor. I got too used to saying the old specs that I messed up the new specs. Thanks Razer The Fiend for pointing that out. Very much appreciated.
hello there nice review... i have question am on buying GPX superlight 2 or DAV3 but am incline more to GPX because am scared from razer soft :D is there any way to use this mouse and never need to instal that ,,bloatware,,? thats my only reason why am incline more to GPX. because i had in the past few razer stuff and that soft is worst of all..
@@lukasrigan5921 I find the software from both companies to be crap. I like Razer's software better than Logitechs. As it is more user friendly. But is frustrating to deal with as I feel like I'm exporting a video everytime I launch it. It takes forever and spins forever. lol With that out of the way. You can download the Razer software, use Guest login (where you don't need to signup), set your settings (if you aren't using stock settings), and then delete it off your computer and never use it again. So, no you don't NEED to install it. But with firmware updates and setting Hyperpolling (if you use 4k/8k) you'll need to have the software installed at least once. I also like to switch between 1k and 8k polling depneding on what I'm doing. So 1k for normal browsing and games that don't need faster polling and 8k for FPS and other aim dependent games. As that saves battery life. I don't think you can go wrong with either one. But Razer is significantly more future proof over Logitech with better performance. But I would argue that for most people the difference in performance won't be noticeable as their skill/ability/care/intensity/other gear will be the thing limiting them. And even then is probably not noticeable unless you are competing at the top levels.
I’m coming from a Logitech G PRO X Superlight and I’m blown away at how comfortable this DAV3 is. I feel it’s way more accurate than the GPX. The DAV3 feels like a smaller Microsoft Intelli mouse ( a mouse I loved at the time). I’m extremely happy with the DAV3 and is easily my new main bae. 😂
I bought Deathadder v2 and v3 and stuck with the V2. I can tell just how amazingly comfortable and sharp the v3 is with a short quick run I had with it. Those with carpal tunnel issues will find a home with this mouse. I would totally have it as a backup and everyday mouse if it didn't cost so much. I have large hands so the wideness (and flares) of the V2 actually helped me aim better meanwhile the V3 honestly feels and looks like a different kind of mouse altogether. The cheap price and features of the V2 made it an easy choice too but the V3 is an easy pick up for me when they start dropping in price down the road
I totally agree, the difference between the V2 and the V3 is bigger than they seem on the surface. I like the V2 A LOT. But it's just a bit too wide for my grip style (almost forcing me into just palm) which isn’t an issue on the V3. With it being thinner it is easier for me to grip, and the other small changes allows me to combo all three grip styles (fingertip, claw, and palm) depending on what I'm doing. Which really surprised me. Also, agree with the V2 being on sale on a regular basis it is extremely hard to beat and pass up. Especially, with the V3 rarely going on sale (currently) and the premium price point. Still think they are justified for that price (seeing as it is the best mouse on the market outside of the Viper V2 Pro). But that doesn’t make it any easier to swallow.
I love this mouse! So comfortable and the clicks are 👌 the scroll wheel sensitivity is slightly too sensitive but that is literally the only criticism I can give. Best mouse I’ve ever used, I think I’m hearing wedding bells too 🔔
I would agree. I think the scroll wheel is a bit too light for my personal preference. But can't fault it for that either as it comes down to personal preference. Also, the best I've used as well. Constantly blown away at how much I enjoy it and perform with it. Also, ElllHefe I deeply appreciate the support. Thanks for watching till the end. That helps me more than you know.
I used to have 6 or 7 Deathadders over the years. I love the shape, it's nice that it is not so heavy anymore. I think the optical switches should fix click failures. I just wish they would adress the pre / post-travel.
As mentioned in the previous comment you left (which I truly appreciate and thanks for checking out multiple of my videos!). Mind explaining to me what you mean by pre/post travel. As I honestly don't know what you're talking about so feel like I am missing something. As pre-travel has always been excellent on my models. Post-travel I get a bit more. But again, don't see that outside of the average of any other mouse I try so don't see an issue there either.
@@ThomasMuehler It just doesn't feel the same as my Intelli or Superlight. The clicks on the deathadders feel mushy and it takes longer from pressing till the click registers. You can also see it in the front. I haven't got my v3 yet, maybe it's better here.
I would agree the clicks on my Deathadder V2 Pro do feel mushy. And that has been the case for all previous variants of the Deathadder I have tried. But on the Deathadder V3 Pro they have dramatically improved and now feel very crisp. I'm looking forward to hearing your thoughts on it once you get in yours and try it out. But sounds like you've got it right. If it travels a lot and then clicks then that would be my definition of pre-travel as well. But when you say it doesn't feel the same is it because of that travel? Or are you saying overall feel of the click? As most people find mechanical switches feel more crisp (as they have an additional mechanism and parts that gives an additional bump which feels different). Also, shell makes a big difference in click feel. Logitech tends to dominate as they have something called Mechanical Tensioning System that really dials that stuff in. Despite not using as quality of switches. But arguably for most feel is all that matters (assuming it is not wildly defective).
Had mine for a lil over a week now to replace my Model D that just stopped working, even the RMA copy they sent me as well.... best mouse I've ever used and my aim also improved! The clicks are stupid crisp and the shape is perfect for my hand, if Logitech had come out with the G703 superlight I would have snatched that in a minute as the 703 is the most comfortable mouse I've used... but that weight would always cause fatigue during long sessions, well that's not a problem anymore with this mouse. Well worth the money I spent on it, I ended up getting Corepad grips for it as I tend to get sweaty hands and the coating didn't always give me the best grip, highly recommend them for anyone who needs grips on their mice for any reason.
Love the rundown! Thanks very much. I too would love to see a Logitech G703 Superlight. And know you and I aren't' alone as I've seen it brought up a lot. But not sure if Logitech is listening. But I'm glad you are enjoying the Deathadder V3 Pro. Definitely think it can't be beat right now in the market.
Such a solid review.. I had no idea of all of the small details that make this mouse so much better now. The two 1K signals, the interior materials, the shape adjustments. They thought this out, and I'm happy I picked it up. I have the V2 Pro, and immediately I felt the difference of the ergo shape, and my KD ratio and kill count reflected it. Well done mate. I'm subscribing.
Right?! I was pretty surprised too. Who knew gaming mice had so much nuance. Glad you are enjoying the mouse and seeing a difference in performance! Also, welcome to the family cheeto8481 (love the name). I'm very glad you are here.
Picked up Razer's Huntsman V2 TKL with purples yesterday and realized how good their optical switches felt. Decided it was finally time to make the jump to a next level mouse and went from Model O Wireless to the DA V3 Pro. It's only been a few hours but this mouse feels great. Lighter than the MOW and any fear I had about a "razer squishy mouse click feel" are totally gone. All the buttons are flawless and crisp. Seriously Razer optical tech is on another level right now in FEEL not just performance. 1911 trigger vs. a Glock if anyone knows the difference there. The shape and form factor are still growing on me as the mouse DOES feel a bit more bulky than the MOW but my hand is able to relax and fit around the mouse now. I think a few days of learning to re-grip and apply pressure in new places on the mouse is going to be a game changer. It's immediately apparent how precise the mouse is though even over another current gen product.
Oh man! Loved the rundown. Thanks very much for taking the time to share. I completely agree. And I'm glad you can feel the precision. People think I'm crazy when I say it. But I feel it immediately whenever I use Razer mice. And definitely think they do optical switches the best.
I've been using DA's since the 3.5G model, I absolutely love them, specially the BlackEdition, unfortunately that one died from double click, I've had like 5 different models, I just love the shape, currently I have the Essential white and the 4G (2013) that still works fine, I haven't tried the new ones because I've abandoned PCgaming ($$$). I think I would trade my Logi GPX superlight for one of those. If I build a new rig someday the Deathadder is always on my wishlist. I'm from Mexico PC components are even more expensive here, my last CPU/GPU was a i7 7700k and a evga 1080 SC. Now I only play on consoles and I have a Macbook for working/browsing. Back in day I used to collect mechanical keyboards and mice (I even have a CM Novatouch keyboard with topre switches 🤩).
A true Deathadder fan! I think you would certainly enjoy it if you even find a good price and/or are able to trade for it. But I totally get you. Gaming and peripherals are expensive. But thankfully, if you've got something that works you don't need to upgrade (except for PCs since that kind of has a diminishing return if you keep playing the latest titles. But if you are playing a single game and it works then you're good). I've had to back way off as well.
Imagine you are a startup business who is selling mice for 70-90 dollars and then, BAM! A massive company like Razer drops the new Deathadder for 99 dollars. What do you think happens to your business? You have to price things according to the market or you can crash it. Believe it or not, Razer made an ethical choice to price these as they have. Low prices kill small business.
with sensors i fell like this: -I want to buy new tires for my car. -Buy those ones that costs 1000€ and the only difference is that are more stable at speeds 350km\hour and more -Yes but my car only reaches 150km\hour. -OPS
I get where you’re coming from. However, the other benefits of more expensive tires tends to be better grip in general for everything. Along with quieter noise while driving. Add that to a more smooth ride. And better grip during bad weather. So while you may not get to those speeds. You still notice benefits even at lower speeds. that you may or may not realize depending on how sensitive you are to that sort of stuff. For a long time sensors haven’t really mattered because they’ve all been so close together. And we are definitely at the point where it is incredibly hard to find a bad gaming mouse. Which is great for us. But with razers new tech, there is an actual difference that personally, I feel rather easily. But others may not share that same feeling. Which is perfectly fine. I’m all for performance as that is what gets my rocks off when regarding tech. So that is what my channel is going to be focusing on. As I like to squeeze as much as I possibly can out of stuff and see what the cutting edge has to bring. but not everybody is like me, and for the majority of people I would not recommend buying a top tier, premium gaming mouse. But a more modest one that will get you almost all the way there. As diminishing returns is common place the more expensive something gets. Especially with tech.
Starting testing this mouse out today. It is very good, but there are still several areas for improvement. Vaxee provides much better mouse coating, and slightly better clicks and shape. But the shape and clicks of the V3 are at least comparable, and it provides advantages in other areas, such as weight, click latency, wireless functionality, and hyperpolling. By far the best wireless ergo on the market today, but if you don't mind wires and can stand mice in the 70 gram range, Vaxee is king
I'll have to check out Vaxee. Which model are you talking about so I can try that one? I also have a HARD time going back to wired these days for mice. As wireless has gotten so good.
@@ThomasMuehler I have the Vaxee Outset AX with the full matte coating, which is probably the most comparable shape to the V3 pro. In hand, it feels like the most premium mouse I own. But it weighs 76 g, which I find exhausting after getting used to mice in the 50-60g range. And I do love modern wireless as well... Would love to hear your perspective, though
I'm so fed up with Logitech's mice and how after a year they start having issues with double clicking. I've changed 3 G pro x so far and I always end up with the same issue. I guess it's time I go back to razer since this one looks amazing. Great review!
Man that is crazy. The new GPX2 has optical switches. But I had one comment say they had double clicks with that too. Since this comment have you gotten a mouse? If yes how are you liking it?
Excellent review. Detailed, and very well explained why this mouse is superior to the competition. Helped me make a choice, after spending half a day watching mouse reviews. Thank you.
recently bought it. regarding RAZER I was using for some time (2 years+) the mamba. Also used the basilisk ultimate as my mamba's cord (needed for recharge at least) was not working properly and I had to replace it - fortunately it was as I supected a cord issue and not a mouse issue. Still love the mamba, my first razer ever - was a logitech G series guy - but regarding battery time, sensor, weight, the way the DAV3P grips so well to my medium (!) hands, it just seems I't just seems I'm playing with my hand and no mouse. The best best mouse I've ever tried, even in a relative way, as I use gaming mice since the launch of counter strike (pre 1.5, i'm almost sure). Great video, I've seen the love for the mice many does not have (because of the humps and being a right hand use mouse - people usualy put side to side, talking about Razer only, the viper v2 pro, which is even lighter but I like more the DAV3P ergo, with this one with a slight but deinitive edge for the v2 pro), I agree with most of what you said, great analysis and also learned something even if 11 months later. And the USB-C to USB-A cord might be relevant to many, as it is not "proprietary" (like mine were regarding how you could reach the port on the mouse) as the micro-USB to USB-A cord at least used on other previous razer i own (whic are compatible or interchancheble between them) which I fin to be a little aggressive posture by razer - gratefull they changed (not sure if they were obliged to...). Cheers. One sub more ;)
I think you’ve made some excellent choices. The Mamba is one of the few Razer mice I haven’t tried. But I have been using the Basilisk V3 Pro for my normal causal browsing mouse and love it. In general think the recent fare from Razer has been fire. Love the V2 Pro, Viper Mini SE, and Deathadder V3 Pro as well. With them being some of the best mice I’ve tried to the point other mice don’t really interest me anymore. Except for the Finalmouse Ultralight X as it looks interesting. All of them each have their pro, cons, and use cases. I REALLY like Razer cords. As I think they are attractive, have good flexibility (not the best but that’s due to having to hit spec), as they actually go through the proper certification of making them fully to spec. Which I’m not sure every company does. Which makes me feel safe in using them for whatever. And they are able to be used on anything that it will fit. Even the Micro-USB cords should have worked on anything that it fits. But they did have a unique reinforcement to make them specifically fit their mice better. Which is a double edged sword. As it can limit it for other products. But adds extra redundancy on their own supported products. Which isn’t abnormal in the space. Also, welcome to the family! And thank you for taking the time to give me such a great rundown of your thoughts/findings.
I've been having some wrist issues lately using the Finalmouse Starlight-12 (i think it may be slightly too small for my hand and the aggressive claw grip that i have to use seems to be adding tension to my wrist), so I'm going to give the DAV3 a try as my first Ergo mouse since the Logitech G400s. I'm excited!
Interesting. I'll be curious to hear if that goes away with the new mouse. Also, I'm excited for you man! I would love to hear your thoughts on it once you get it in and try it out.
@@kariioh3964 I'm assuming you're asking @YeahhDan. But on the small chance you aren't. I still love the DAV3. It continues to be one of my favorite mice of all time.
First of all I love your detailed reviews. - I have huge hands. Palm gipping makes me considerably slower in CSGO. So in the current scenario Viper V2 Pro would be the best buy or this one? (use Claw grip)
Hi Thomas, the video was really informative, great work! I do have a question however, currently I'm using a Razer Viper Ultimate, would you think the G Pro X Superlight or the DAV3 Pro is a better upgrade?
GPX superlight would be a side trade. As technically the Viper Ultimate has better internal specs. So, the benefit you would gain would be if you perform better/find the GPX shape to be more comfortable. Also, you'd have a slightly lighter mouse, which would be beneficial. I would argue the ~80 grams compared to ~60 grams is noticeable. Battery life would also be better as no rgb. Some would say clicks may feel a bit more consistent/crisp and may not be as loud. DAV3 Pro would be an upgrade all around. As better internals, I'd argue a better shape (assuming you are right handed, and use claw/palm as it isn't really a fingertip mouse), lighter weight, better battery, usb c charging (but no dock), able to do 4,000 Hz with additional purchase of 4k dongle. Personally, I find unless if the GPX is on a massive sale that it isn't worth it compared to the new Razer mice (if buying at retail price). As GPX is using 4-year old tech and DAV3 Pro and Viper V2 Pro are using the newest best tech on the market. Shape is important but at this point specs (with these mice) there is a noticeable difference where they start to play into the equation. Even if that difference is mild. Where with almost every other mice on the market it doesn't matter. As internals are essentially the same. I'd also argue that the Razer Viper Ultimate) is still an S-Tier Mouse. Along with GPX, Viper V2 Pro, and DAV3 Pro. So you won't be finding a huge difference between any of these. As you can't find better on the market. If you can't stand the shape and find the shape better on these other mice then it may be worth the upgrade. But we are at the point of diminishing returns. Personally, I upgraded to the Viper V2 Pro and Deathadder V3 Pro immediately and don't regret it at all. I love both of them and all other mice on the market aren't interesting to me anymore. As they just perform better than everything else. Especially since I got the 4,000 Hz polling dongle. But not everyone is as passionate about mice as I am and willing to burn that much money on something that is a luxury over a necessity (unless if you are a pro, on your computer all the time, or game all the time). So really comes down to you.
I am a League of Legends player, and as such, I prefer champions with high mobility. I use a palm grip, although my palm doesn't always fully touch my mouse. My hand measures around 18 cm in length and 7 cm in width. I'd like to know which mouse you recommend for the game: the DeathAdder V3 Pro or the Viper V2 Pro. Currently, I use the Razer Naga Pro, which is quite heavy and causes fatigue. The clicks are also harder to activate. Additionally, the ergonomic shape of this mouse doesn't allow my pinky and ring fingers to rest completely, making them feel tense.
While the Deathadder V3 is smaller than the Deathadder V2 I am concerned that it still may be too big for your hand. Specifically, width wise. Making me think the Viper V2 Pro would be better. However, it is very flat. So it may not work for palm grip if that is your preferred style. Which is hard for me to tell. But seeing as the V3 Pro and Naga Pro are both ergo mice that is why I am saying that. You could also look into the new Viper V3 Hyperspeed. Some trades with quality but I find it to be kind of a hybrid shape of the Deathadder V3 Pro and Viper V2 Pro. Plus it is cheaper. Same internals. Biggest thing is forward sensor position and external battery. But from a shape perspective I think would be your jam. I'd expect all of those to have lighter clicks. As usually Razers switches are quite light. But you said the Nagas are heavy so I'm not sure.
I have measured my hand again, and it really is 8 cm wide. Should I choose the DeathAdder? I think another option to consider could be the LGP X Superlight. What do you think?
@@samuelkassra8063 My above still stands with the 8 cm wide. Yes, I think the GPX would also be a good choice. As that has a great shape. However, the performance is technically worse than the Razer mice. As the internals are better on Razer mice. But then the argument goes to is it a noticeable difference? If you are have a high level of aim. Yes. If your squarely in the below average, average, or casual range maybe not. I still think someone would notice it. But that is not the popular opinion. But not sure if that is because I'm on crack or because others haven't tried a modern day Razer against another mouse directly. Additionally, shape, size, and weight do play a part in how a mouse performs to you. For me most shapes, sizes, weights don't really impact me much from my baseline performance. Where for others it makes a huge difference. So depends on where you come down on that spectrum. As if a mouse has the ideal shape, size, weight you'll perform better with it than a mouse that has superior specs but doesn't check those boxes. Which was a long explanation but I thought important. Which is why so many people have multiple gaming mice. As they are trying to find the "perfect mouse". But there is no such thing as the perfect mouse. You're just chasing marketing. As shape, size, weight are all personal preference. And no mouse will hit every single checkbox and it almost comes an addiction. What I've found after testing out a bunch of mice. Is categories. There are mid-tier, high-tier, and upper-tier mice. All of the ones listed are upper-tier mice. Where the main differences between them are really personal opinion over an objective thing. And you start splitting hairs.
Can’t say I’m too familiar. Looked them up and they seem interesting. Do you own one of their mice already? If so what makes it special over other companies in your opinion?
@@ThomasMuehler first of I only use Logitech mice because of their software. Basically since they use Logitech internals I can have any mouse shape I want with Logitech inside. I have their air58 shape atm. I guess it's also good for people who want a particular shape that's either impossible to get (finalmouse) or isn't wireless (Zowie). Their build quality or innovation has come a long way in the past year
I agree. I think from a pure performance standpoint the Viper still takes the W. But from a long term casual comfort and society as a whole (due to the safer shape) that the Deathadder takes the W. Regardless both are 10/10 and can't go wrong with either one.
@@ThomasMuehler completely agree. It really comes down to hand size as well. You don’t want to work and play on v2 pro if you palm grip and finger tip grip or any form of relaxed grip of the two. I have medium-large hands, and da v3 pro is the one on my desk. Da v3 pro just fills my hands better and I can spend hours using it for work and not really wanting to grab the master 3 that I use for work.
@@k.w5804 Hand size definitely plays a big part. I think palm tends to be more comfortable for work. But for gaming fingertip/claw tends to give the best aim. The Viper V2 Pro was made for fingertip/claw. Deathadder was made for palm/claw. But agree the way the Deathadder just snuggles into the hand is great.
It was great till it broke after only 1 year of gaming, afterwards I swapped to the logitech pro wireless which also feels just as good so we will see if it lasts longer
Well it comes with a two year warranty. So I'd RMA it. What is wrong with it if you don't mind me asking just out of curiosity? From my experience Logitech tends to be even more finicky. Where like Razer you either get a product that lasts forever or one that breaks down quickly. But I hear constantly about click issues from Logitech. But I am hoping for the best for you!
@@ThomasMuehler yeah but after a year they are really difficult to get replaced so i end up buying a new ones. Mine was the v2 not v3 but after that and the issues i had with the blackshark v2 pro i decided to make a change away from razer as i remember the previous deathadders would last years before breaking though they were wired ones. What went wrong with my v2 pro was the battery was the first thing that went after 9months so ended up having to keep the wire attached, after that the signal would start having issues if the mouse was more than 3 feet away from the dongle. Also the rubber side grip was coming off which is down to wear and tear but still shows that the design is badly thought out since its meant for gaming and the previous gen wired deathadders had soft plastic side grip that didnt peal.
@@stelun1285 Really?! That's wild I've never heard of battery issues. Have heard some issues with wireless but that is seldom. And the rubber sides also shouldn't be coming off as they are built into the mouse itself. Which again is highly abnormal. So, I guess you're just lucky in getting all the rare defects in a single mouse. Congrats! lol. But seriously, I'm sorry to hear that man. Very frustrating. But thanks for letting me know. That's helpful. How are you liking the GPX?
@@ThomasMuehler Been using the GPX now for about 2 months and have to say at the start, I really didn't like the feeling of the design as I was so used to the deathadder grip, but after a week or 2 that went and it feels just as good. In some ways its actually better as it seems designed for a finger grip rather than a palm grip which is really good for FPS type of games I play since I find I have more control now with this grip rather than the palm grip i was so used too with the DA. Otherwise quality seems fine and no issues with battery or signal but time will tell i guess.
@@stelun1285 Completely agree that the shape of the GPX is excellent and that if it works for your grip style it can be very comfortable. And I'm also a firm believer that fingertip aim is much better than palm. As it gives you more "pixel" movement as your fingertips are bit more dexterous than your entire hand give you more control. I tend to kind of switch between all three styles (fingertip, claw, palm) depending on what I'm doing. But probably do fingertip/claw the mass majority of the time. Also, quality should be excellent. The last time I was paying attention to battery life (which was a while ago) GPX was on top. Logitech's wireless tech has also been great. As is their firmware. The only thing holding them back in my opinion is their sensor is just not premium anymore. As plenty of others have surpassed them. But then we get into the weeds quickly of does sensor accuracy past a certain point even matter? All that to say I'm really happy you are enjoy it. I think you made a good choice. As the GPX is still an S-Tier mouse. It just is not longer in 1st place like it has been for years prior.
Great question. 1. One thing I really enjoyed about the Viper V3 Pro is that you can have 1,000 Hz on the desktop and then higher hertz (2,000/4,000/8,000 Hz) once you open a game. Which is a nice quality of life improvement. 2. With the V3 Pro it came with the hyper polling dongle. Meaning if you don’t already own one you “save” money by waiting as it should also be included with the DAV4 Pro. That is speculation though. 3. Additionally, if you look at the new DAV3 Hyperspeed it has a slightly new shape, I think? Which means the V4 will have that new shape (most likely). So, depending on which shape you prefer that could be a good or bad thing. 4. Last, on my Viper V3 Pro and according to reviews (as I haven't tested the Deathadder V3 Hyperspeed) the clicks are the best they have been. With them feeling very crisp, but not being as loud as optical switches tend to be. Also, the coating is slightly better. I would expect the DAV4 Pro to be released in probably like 6 months? As it seems like that is kind of their schedule. But ALL of this is speculation on my part. If I’m right all of those are more quality of life improvements that may or may not be worth waiting for. As assuming they don’t do anything horrifically wrong all of these mice are “S-Tier” (highest tier you can get). And you can’t go wrong with any of them. As at this level it comes down to splitting hairs and personal preferences. Personally, if I had a mouse that I enjoyed right now I would wait.
Hey Thomas ! Amazing review, thanks budy ! Advice me please: i hesitate to buy a G Pro X Superlight or Dav3. I have two offers: G Pro x Superlight 70$ / Razer Dav3 150$ My hand -> 20cm - 10cm. Cheers !
Honestly, both are S Tier mice so you can't go wrong with either one. They obviously vary a bit in execution. Mice are also personal preference and highly dependent on your preferences. With that said... 1. GPX for $70 is an excellent price and the only reason why I would pick it personally as it is currently four years old (tech wise) and we are at the point that it is showing its age as nothing has changed since it originally came out (As it has the same specs as the G Pro Wireless just lighter). Don't get me wrong it's got probably one of the best shapes (and by best, I mean safe) on the market. Where claw, fingertip, or palm will work (depending on hand size, but I think yours would work for all three). Side buttons are meh (mushy), primary clicks are very crisp and consistent (due to Logitech mechanical tensioning system) and probably one of the best on any mouse which is one reason why it is so popular. However, with them being mechanical (and just for some reason) they do suffer from double clicks more than others. I don't hear about this as much as I used to (as they have changed the switches inside since that time, but still not top stock compared to modern mice). PTFE are meh (as they are thin and wear out quickly). Weight is excellent. But my biggest complaint honestly is the sensor. Which is where most people are going to call me crazy which is fine. While I think it is one of the best on the market it is significantly behind Razer's sensor. The specs were already behind Razer's last tier (Razer Viper Ultimate and such line with the Focus+ sensor). But now with Razer's newest gen (Focus Pro, Viper V2 Pro, DAV3, Basilisk V3 Pro) that difference is even bigger making me not interested in any other mice. To wrap up the GPX, at this point I'm not even recommending anymore. As its time in the spotlight (to me) is over. As I think there are other "budget mice" (
I never liked razer stuff this was the reason I gave them another chance and soo far I love DaV3 Pro Great mouse, very good in hand and very good in game... also my first light mouse :D
Oh man, that's awesome. I'm glad you gave them a second chance and they proved themselves. I currently think they are the best on the market internal wise. Shapes could improve but the DAV3 Pro is definitely solid and better than most.
I wish I could give you more information. But I don't have a Pulsar Xlite Wireless V2. I tried the G703 a long time ago but haven't recently so also can't share my thoughts on that. Boardzy did compare it to at least the Pulsar Xlite Wireless V2 so I would recommend checking out his review of it.
I went from pulsar xlite to dav3 pro and its just a simple swap. They are so similar in terms of ergo shape but the switches on dav3 pro feel way superior. So much so that my gridshot score went up from 113k to 117k. It came down to how much more comfortable and crispy the clicks feel imo, but also the dav3 pro just fits right. Thats not to say the xlite is bad, i loved using it for a year and was still playing at the top of my game. If money isnt a factor, i would highly recommend getting the dav3 pro as it does feel like the best current ergo mouse. Oh also the stock PTFE feet on dav3 pro kept up with my xlite glass skates as well across paracontrol, paraspeed codura and razer strider mousepads.
Really comes down to if you are fine with a wire or not. As the performance is going to be very similar. I believe the Wired version also has a better coating. There is also the new Hyperspeed variant V4 Hyperspeed? I think. Which has a slightly new shape and some improvements that may be worth getting instead. As it is wireless, while being cheaper, with slightly bumped specs (I think I'd double check as pulling from memory and haven't looked for a while).
Hmmm... So spec wise they are exactly the same (except for DAV3 being 64 grams and the V2 Pro being 59 grams (on my units at least). I don't think that 5 gram difference will make a difference. So, it really comes down to personal preference of shape. I think the DAV3 Pro has a safer shape for most people. As it is more conservative. But if you know you like the Viper Shape then the Viper is better. Personally, the Deathadder shape feels better in my hand and due to that I perform better with it. But again, that is from my own personal preference. V2 Pro is made for claw/fingertip medium size mouse. Huge hands makes me highly concerned it will be too small. Deathadder is medium to large which makes me think it will fit your large hand better. And is made for palm/claw. I wish I could be more help here. But I honestly think you'll just need to buy one and see if you like that shape or not. As spec wise it is a wash. Meaning it comes down to shape and size.
@@Theone.fitness I definitely think that plays an important part. I’d go with the V2 Pro and then if I don’t like it, return it and try out the Deathadder V3. I’d love to hear which one you go with your thoughts on it.
Hey, great video! I'm upgrading from the g502 hero and am trying to find a good light wireless replacement. Would you recommend the deathadder v3 pro or the viper v2 pro? I would say my grip is similar to knuckle claw. My hand size is 17cm. Let me know your thoughts !
Tough question. As part of me thinks that if you enjoyed the ergonomic shape of the G502 that you'll enjoy the Deathadder V3 Pro as it is also an ergonomic shape. However, with 17 cm hand size I'm afraid it may be slightly too big. Along with your grip style favors the Viper V2 Pro (as that is made for claw/fingertip grip). Which isn't to say that you can't use that grip style with the Deathadder. Both of them performance wise are going to be equal as they have the same specs. Differences: Shape and size. Weight is essentially the same. Scroll wheel on Deathadder is a lot lighter to scroll with less defined clicks. Where the Viper is heavy with very defined clicks. I would say primary clicks are very similar as are the side buttons. Same with texture, feet, battery life, USB-C charging. Basically, same exact mouse just different shape. Not sure if that was helpful or not. As so much of it is dependent on personal preference. If you could possible go to a store that has displays of them and you could feel them out that might be the most beneficial in deciding which is best for you. I would love to hear which one you decide to go with.
@ThomasMuehler thanks for your feedback man! So far I've ordered the deathadder, but I may end up ordering the viper v2 as well and just keep the one I like more
So this vs the Viper ultimate which do you pick? I always loved the G Pro for its ergonomics, but I had too many that developed horrid double clicking and 2 even develop scroll wheel issues, so I switched to the Viper Ultimate. Not the best ergonomics, but I’ve gotten used to it. Really missing a good ergonomic mouse though, and I really did love my OG deathadder.
Personally, I much prefer the Deathadder V3 Pro. - Better shape - better specs all around (sensor, clicks, wireless, weight, coating, PTFE feet, battery life) - 4,000 Hz polling. - With the above that means it is more "future proof". As at this point we just unlocked a new "level" and will be at this point for a while before we see something truly groundbreaking again. Of course I could be wrong. But what I'm saying is the Focus Pro will likely be the best sensor for at least the next year or two (as the focus+ was the previous best when the Viper Ultimate released and just got replaced by this but is still the second best on the market). Gen 3 switches are great. The rest of the competition will have to catch up to 4,000 Hz polling (yes, I think it does make a difference. See this video for more info on that: (th-cam.com/video/jSjILdHzzEk/w-d-xo.html)). I'll also be releasing a video on the 4,000 Hz dongle. But it is where the gaming mouse industry will be going. Weight is arguably the ideal for most people which I thin is 60 grams. As I've found other people saying once it goes below 60 that it becomes more polarizing where some people like it and others don't. I also stop noticing a huge increase in performance. While I notice some improvement with my Starlight 12 at 45 grams the things I trade with this mouse (spec wise) isn't worth it. Argument for the Viper Ultimate: - Charging dock - RGB - Cheaper (assuming you find it on sale over retail). - Isn't an ergo mouse so symmetrical. So if you love this shape then it would be a great choice. But then I'd argue the Viper V2 Pro is better. - Perhaps for the average layman/gamer then this would be a better choice (as you could argue it has more features with charging dock, RGB, rubber sides, place to put the dongle). Regardless, both of these mice are premium and fantastic choices. I just think the Deathadder V3 Pro is better if price is taken out of it (or we ignore sale prices or depending on sale prices). I would love to hear which one you end up going with and your thoughts on it.
My main mouse atm is the UL 2 Cape Town at 47grams weight. I am very excited about this deathadder v3 pro, only worry I have is that if i will notice that 14grams extra in the hand..and also that rhe deathadder is slightly larger than finalmouse size small..
UL 2 Cape town was awesome. I'll be interested in hearing if you notice the extra weight or not. Deathadder is definitely quite a bit larger than the Cape Town. Personally, while I do notice a weight difference it isn't as big of a difference as going from say 80 grams to 60 grams. Or 100 grams to 80 grams. As the performance gain I get at 45ish grams compared to 60 is negligible. Especially with the Deathadder V3 Pro as the balance is so good that it makes it feel a lot lighter than it actually is. Also, the shape just fits my hand so well that it equals out. So, like I said I'm very interested in hearing your findings if you remember to get back to me.
Owww, I'd really like to buy this model, but as it's a launch the starting price will be very high. I really liked it because the shape is similar to the G PRO W and has optical switches, eliminating the chances of double clicks, something that happens a lot with the G PRO. Due to the price, and not being a professional player, I will end up buying the Viper Ultimete. I preferred the G Pro W format but I won't choose it because of the risk of double clicking. Buying a premium mouse and having this problem in a few months is surreal. Hugs from Brazil, congratulations for the analysis.
Yeah, it is definitely EXPENSIVE. Sale prices will eventually happen but probably not for a while. Definitely a similar shape to the G Pro Wireless. I agree I much prefer optical switches for the same reason. I've always been lucky and never developed double clicks on any of my mechanical switches. I bought the Logitech G Pro Wireless (GPW) at launch and also got the Logitech G Pro X Superlight (GPX) at launch and both of them are still flawless without any issues. Just FYI, they did replace the switches on both the GPW and GPX (when the GPX came out) which have dramatically reduced double click issues. Where prior to that it was much higher than average on failure rate (about 15% of units from what I could tell). Now is likely closer to 5 - 7% which lines up more with the industry standard. But totally understand your reasoning and agree. Best to not go with something that could be high risk. As RMA process is painful regardless but sometimes near impossible depending on country and I don't know how it is in Brazil. Also, blows my mind that someone from Brazil is watching my videos. Which is awesome and I appreciate you and thanks for the wonderful rundown on your thoughts. Once you get the Razer Viper Ultimate (RVU) I would love to hear your thoughts on it. Still one of my favorite mice. As it is excellent and I prefered it over the GPX/GPW. As it has better specs and performed better for me despite me preferring the GPW shape.
@@ThomasMuehler I really didn't know that the switches of both models had been changed, through this information I will rethink the option of the G PROW because I really liked the shape of it.
@@fernandogaribaldi4682 I would do a bit more research before purchasing. But I haven't seen nearly as many double click issues. But also haven't checked recently either so that may have changed.
I gotta say, I have both ( i've been on the gpx superlight for months) and the shape isn't as similar as you'd think. The hump placement is very different feeling. It feels much taller in the middle of the palm, and the taper that it has going towards the front meant I've had to change my grip more than i expected. The mouse overall feels MUCH bigger, despite the measurements being barely different. It feels lighter than the g pro even though it isn't due to the balance though. Just my .02
@@mikeytapscott4204 I appreciate you reaching out, giving a great rundown, and giving your two cents. Love reading these types of comments. My apologizes. I did not explain that well. What I meant is that the GPX has a very safe shape that most individuals will really like. Where the Deathadder is the same. In the sense it is a safe shape that I think most will enjoy. Where the Viper shape is very polarizing and hit and miss with people. Not that they physically are similar feeling in shape. As they are quite different in that regard. As you are very right in your breakdown. I also agree it feels a lot larger as it is slightly longer, but more importantly a lot thicker (width wise). Also, agree the weight feels better due to the balancing. Amazing how that works (that sounds like sarcasm but I'm not being sarcastic. It is interesting to me how important balancing something really is).
Personally, I prefer the DAV3 as I think the shape fits me better so I perform a bit better with it. Also, I like that my palm doesn't drag on my mouse mat which also helps with it being smoother and making me more accurate.
@@ThomasMuehler by the way, may i ask you, shape-wise, how do you think Dav3 vs Roccat Kone air? I am still thining about whether should i get another ergo mouse or not as I am not big fans of ergo mouse but i am very ok with Kone air
@@Lawrenseliu I don't own the Kone Air but do have the Kone XP which I've heard is the same shape just with more buttons. Not sure how accurate that actually is. With that said, I've found the Kone XP to have a lot more of a rounded shape that kind of folds into your palm. Where your thumb is kind of recessed into it and your second and third digit (with thumb being the first pinky being the fifth) fits very nicely on it. But then your fourth and fifth digit kind of need to wrap inward. Where the Deathadder is wider and more of a flatter shape. Where if you just put your hand down on a desk sums it up. As you don't have much of a place for your thumb (as in it doesn't wrap around like on the Kone but more just sits naturally, along with the rest of your four digits being spread out on it. Not sure if that was a good explanation or not.
@@ThomasMuehler Thanks so much for the reply. yeah, it makes sense to me. if you have a chance, please do try the kone air, I think it's one of the best ergo mice that I ever had so far. I will give it a go to the dav3 as well. thanks again!
still trying to get one of those dang 4k dongles... I either miss an email while at work or don't see it till 10 mins later and then they are out of stock...
Dude, it is nuts how it is still an issue. I got super lucky one day and happened to be scrolling when I got the email so was able to snag one immediately. Hopefully, your luck will turn around soon.
My hand is about 19cm L and 9-9.5cm W. I use aggressive claw grip. I am currently using g pro and I am trying to decide between the gpx and deathadder v3 pro. Do you think the v3 pro will work with my grip style?
My hands are similar size. I'm not sure what you mean exactly by "aggressive claw grip" as grip tends to vary wildly from person to person. However, with that said yes I think the V3 Pro will work with your hand size and grip style. As when I do what I think "aggressive claw is" it feels quite comfortable. Palm is still on the mat, fingers are angled severely, get good contact with the hump/angle of the back of the mouse into the main section of my hand providing good support and I'm able to easily dominate the mouse for accurate aim. Whatever one you choose I'd love to hear your thoughts. I think the V3 Pro is a better choice (assuming it fits your grip) as the tech is just better and I think justifies the price more. But at the end of the day you gotta go with what works the best for YOU.
@@ThomasMuehler Thank you for the replay. Yeah I'm most likely going to go for the V3 Pro then but I'm gonna do some more research to make my final decision
Hi! Nice review! I'm currently using an orochi V2 but i'm not too happy about the shell that occassionally creaks. I tried to upgrade to a gpx superlight but honestly it didn't feel better.. The weigh is lower yes but the sensor improvement is unnotisable and all, and i mean all, the clicks (and scroll wheel) are better on the orochi V2 imo. So i wanted to try the new V2 pro or this DaV3 but i found the orochi shape really confortabile for my style of grip (i think its finger tip). Do you think i will be ok with the similar shape of the V2 pro or you would recomend the daV3 regardless? (I do have big hands but again a smaller mouse like the orochi feel perfect for my grip style)
The sensor in the Orochi V2 is technically just a smidge better than the GPX. Which is likely why you didn't feel a difference. I'm not sure if you will like either of the shapes based on the Orochi V2. As both the V2 Pro and DAV3 have vastly different shapes. I think the V2 Pro is going to be closest as it is more of a medium/large mouse but with the flat top it allows you to use claw/fingertip which is what you are likely using on the Orochi V2. I think the Deathadder would be a vastly different shape being palm and large size. I think your best bet (if you can wait) is for the release of the Razer Viper Mini Ultimate. It was supposed to come out in 2022. But stuff happened so now it is sometime this year. We are hoping since it was supposed to be last year it will be in Quarter 1 and maybe Quarter 2. But still not exact date so nobody knows for sure. But that would give you the best of the best specs with a small mouse similar to the Orochi V2. I think both the V2 Pro and DAV3 are S-Tier mice. The only thing separating them is shape. For the casual user I think DAV3 is better as that shape is safer. Whereas, the V2 Pro is more hit or miss. Which is the only reason why I rate it higher.
Just got the deathadder v3 pro hoping it’d finally be big enough that I could have my palm on it while playing. Sadly though no matter how far forward I hold it, it’s too small.
You must have some giant hands if you can't palm the Deathadder. I will say the Deathadder V2 Pro is a bit bigger than the V3. Especially, width wise. Outside of that I'm not sure of too many mice that are larger and would fit your hand. The Cooler Master MM720 may work for you. But outside of that I'm blanking on larger mice.
Spec wise they are exactly the same (except for weight as the DAV3 is 64 grams and the V2 Pro is 59). I personally don't think 5 grams is going to make a difference. So, it really comes down to size and shape which is a personal preference type deal. Viper tends to be a medium size mouse built for fingertip/claw. Where DAV3 is a medium/large mouse built for palm/claw. For the average individual I think the DAV3 is best. As it has a safer shape than the Viper which tends to be quite polarizing where people either love it or hate it. I perform slightly better with the Deathadder as the shape is more ideal for my style than the Viper. But I've also mained a Viper regularly since the Viper Ultimate came out. I personally think my DAV3 clicks are better than my V2 Pro (at least on my models). I prefer the scroll wheel on my V2 Pro as it sits rather high and is too light (for my preference) on the DAV3 (but still excellent). Outside of that there aren't a whole lot of differences. No matter which one you choose they are both S Tier mice. I actually have both tied for the first as the BEST mice on the market. Followed by the Viper Ultimate. Then the GPX & Starlight 12. Then we go through a few others with the Deathadder V2 Pro being among them. As the new shape improvements, weight loss, and spec boost has revitalized the Deathadder. Also, just in general I'm seeing a lot of reviews which seem to be saying they LOVE the DAV3 but a lot of people seemed upset with the V2 Pro. Which I don't really get seeing as they are practically the same mouse in a different shell. But yeah, that's all the info I got. I would be interested in hearing which one you went with and your thoughts on it once you have some time to try it out.
@@ThomasMuehler If stocks are available in my friend's country I will buy DAV3 for sure otherwise viper v2 pro. Thanks to your perfect explanation I can choose the best mouse without worrying. Thank you so much
I'm in the market for new monitor and mouse would it be wise to save money and get the deathadder V2 pro instead of DAV3 Or would I be compromising too much?
TLDR: I think the DAV3 is worth the money. As spec wise it is the best on the market and what the competition needs to catch up to giving you more future proofing. Also, think the shape is more ideal than the previous DAV2 shape. However, if you go with the DAV2 you won’t be compromising a lot. As both options are excellent. But there is a reason why general consensus much prefers DAV3 over DAV2. DAV3 has a slightly different shape than the DAV2 that I think most people will prefer. As they made it a little less wide making it easier to manipulate unless if you have large hands. If you have borderline large/medium-large hands I think the DAV3 shape will be better. Among some other shape changes that are minor but I think overall is an improvement. Sensor is also improved going from the Focus+ to the Focus Pro. Both of those sensors are the best on the market so you can't go wrong with either one. The biggest difference that people may notice between the two is the adjustable lift-off and landing-distance has a lot more steps/granularity than the focus Pro which I think had 3 compared to like >15. DAV3 is also capable of 4,000 Hz polling over 1,000 Hz. Again, a small upgrade. Think going from 144 Hz to 240 Hz. There is a difference, but you don't feel it as much as 60 - 144 Hz. Mostly the absence of it. But higher than 2,000 Hz can sometimes cause issues with frame drops due to some complication with other software on your computer. I think the scroll wheel is better on the DAV3. But they are excellent on both. The DAV3 is lighter but just as accurate. Where the DAV2 it is stiffer. No RGB with DAV3 but better overall battery life. Also, USB C charging which I greatly prefer over Micro-USB. But you can get a dock for the DAV2 which is nice. DAV2 comes with Bluetooth and 2.4 GHz wireless. Where DAV3 only comes with 2.4 GHz. Coating is similar but DAV2 has rubber sides. Which some prefer others don't. Biggest difference is weight. DAV3 is ultralight where the DAV2 I quite a bit heavier. Personally, I think lighter is better for a lot of reasons. I'd argue side buttons are better on the DAV3. But are also excellent on DAV2. Primary clicks are more clicky/tactile but a lot louder. As they are the "gen 3" over "gen 2". Technically, they are the same switch with tighter tolerances so will be the same. Shell difference is the biggest thing that changes click feel. Basically, what I'm saying is that the differences between the DAV2 and DAV3 are incremental. But I'd say the DAV3 is better in every category making it where wholistically you get a noticeable upgrade. As the Viper V2 Pro and Deathadder V3 Pro are THE BEST spec wise mice on the market. They are the bar for the competition to chase after and beat. Shape is also a weak point for Razer and I think the DAV3 shape is superior to the DAV2.
Normally ergo mice aren‘t used at top level play? Where did you hear that? Of course they are. Look at the EC2 in CSGO tournaments. It‘s still one of the most used mice ALTHOUGH it is not light and has a cable. Shape is king. And ergo shapes are preferred by pro players.
CSGO is about the only game that Zowie is prominent in. And honestly, I would attribute a lot of that to them sticking with what they've always known. Don't get me wrong the shape of Zowie mice is legendary. But change your focus to newer Esport titles and the Zowie brand mostly disappears. But honestly is used more often than I would have guessed. As when I looked I was truly shocked at how many pros use it in CSGO. Regardless, in general symmetrical mouse shapes are far more common in Pros than ergo shape mice. While there is a percentage of pros using ergo mice they are still a minority. But yes, I stand corrected. More Pros use ergo mice than I thought. But I don't think that changes my comments much.
PSA: You can now pick this up for around about £80 in 2023 August. If you look for "Like New", the only difference is going to be an open box. Someone probably tried it and didn't like it. Not bad for a saving of £70.
i prefer the wired version because it's more than half the price, the build quality is twice as good, and the wire supports 8k polling rate. But getting the wireless one for 80 dollars is a pretty insane deal, and its making me kinda want to get it, despite its disadvantages
@@Caboaty I'm with you. The wired version definitely has a lot of positives. Especially, if you don't mind wires. But I've gotten to the point that I just can't not do wireless. As for me the disadvantages for this mouse is minimal and I find the wireless freedom to be an acceptable trade
@@Caboaty So I ended up return this. I’ve been using the Razer Naga since 2014 and try as I might, I use another mouse. I’m now looking at the new Razer Naga. Looks amazing.
@@warden8288 I'm glad you enjoyed it! Thanks for letting me know. I would say hard choice. But it's not. The Deathadder V3 Pro is dramatically better in nearly every category. The Starlight 12 only wins in these categories: 1. Weight. Obviously 45 grams is better than 63 grams. Yes, you can feel the difference between 45 and 60 grams. But it is very mild. Much less than say going from 100 - 80 or 80 - 60. I'd also say the performance bump you get from the weight here is minor. So (random numbers) if I'm scoring 96 out of 100 at 60 grams I may get 97 or 98 at 45 grams. However, the sensor, wireless, firmware, and switches on the Deathadder V3 Pro are all so dramatically better that you'll score higher with it (99-100) despite it being heavier. Additionally, the Deathadder is more balanced weight wise. Compared to the Finalmouse that isn't as balanced but still better than most. 2. Build quality. Magnesium allow vs plastic is obviously going to be more structurally sound and last longer. But you're getting holes (which some people may or may not like). Personally, I love the magnesium alloy. But again, the trades just for that aren't worth it in my opinion. Also, a lot of the time due to the magnesium it doesn't flex as well meaning you get more abnormalities and problems with the shell as it doesn't fit together as perfectly. As even with a minor abnormality it will through things off as it won't "bend" into place. 3. Colors are unique. 4. Limited edition. 5. Two sizes Small/Medium where I'd argue the Deathadder V3 is now medium/large. 6. Likely better battery life. As I've never seen better battery. Deathadder wins in these: 1. Sensor is dramatically better. 2. Wireless is dramatically better. Performs better at 1,000 Hz and can go up to 4,000 Hz (which does make a difference by making response time even lower, despite being one of the fastest on the market anyways, along with a lot smoother which also increases your accuracy). 3. Talked about the balance already. 4. Not limited edition so you can get it at any time. Also, means if something goes wrong with it that it is easier to replace. 5. Better build quality. I've bought a Finalmouse on every drop since the Original Ultralight. None of the Ultralights stayed on my desk for too long as while they were unique and paved the way for other companies I'm always left disappointed with overall build quality as they never feel premium. With the Starlight's every single one of them has had some sort of QA issue. Almost all minor. But for being limited and $189 retail simple unacceptable. Honestly, I'll probably have to go through the RMA process for my Poseidon as the scroll wheel encoder doesn't work right. I'm supposed to be getting the newest Starlight tomorrow which I'm hoping is flawless. But highly doubt it. 6. Clicks feel sooo much better. All my starlight's come across as slightly mushy and unsatisfying primary clicks. 7. Scroll wheel is night/day better. They did change this with the TenZ Starlight so this may change once I try that one out. 8. Razer is a more respectable company. Continue to also push the boundary. Have the best specs out of any other mice on the market. Also, if you have an issue they are quick to respond. Or at least when I've tried. Could go either way: 1. Shape. Both of the shapes to me are some of the best on the market. I've really enjoy Finalmouses shape. But think this new Deathadder shape is also excellent. I can't really give a win to one or the other as it really comes down to personal preference. 2. PTFE are great on both. I think I'd give a slight edge to the Deathadder though. 3. Side buttons on both are excellent. I probably missed some stuff. But I think I got all the main points. Both are great mice. As I still have my Starlights in the top 5 best mice ever. But have a slew of problems. Where my Razer mice don't really have problems and it really just comes down to preference. For example not everybody likes the way the optical switches feel (but continue to get better and better with each new gen) but nothing is physically wrong with them (except the Gen1 did have some issues). Anyways, I'd love to hear which one you go with and your thoughts on it once you get it in and try it out.
@@ThomasMuehler I agree with every single word :D I have 2 finalmouse starlights medium.. I had to RMA both because of the scroll wheel, but I fixed the shell issues on both by myself, but in general, I use a fingertip grip and I feel hand strain with my starlights over time, so yeah.. ordered my razer a week ago and it's still in 'process' :)
@@warden8288 I am excited for you! I'd love to get your two cents when you get it in and try it out. Especially, since you've dealt with Finalmouse and understand that point of view well.
Hey Thomas, I have a really desperate question to ask. Ok so, Ive been using a viper ultimate for around 4 months already and its been a great mouse. However theres a problem, after around 4 hours of gaming, my hands gets all tired. Im really considerating the deathadder v3 pro as its an ergo mouse, should i get it?
That completely depends on how much expendable income you have. The Deathadder V3 Pro (DAV3) is an excellent mouse. I currently have the DAV3 and Viper V2 Pro tied for first place on the best mice on the market. And if I'm being fully honest no other mouse is really interesting to me right now as they all have the same older specs with shapes I've seen before making me apathetic about them. I think we previously discussed how there is a small (but to me noticeable) spec bump between the Razer Viper Ultimate (RVU) and the Viper V2 Pro (V2 Pro) and DAV3. I'm starting to see both the V2 Pro and DAV3 going on sale occasionally as well. So, I don't think you'd go wrong buying it (assuming you enjoy the shape and size). As they are both the future of gaming mice and where the market will be going (spec wise). But shape, size, and weight still play a significant role in mice so assuming the DAV3 checks all those boxes then yes. If you could switch up your aim or add some grip tape or something that would allow you to continue to use the RVU then I'd stick with that. Before you buy I would definitely try and go to a store and check out the shape.
@@ThomasMuehler yea man, I bought the DAV3 its super comfy and its just a rvu but ergo. I found myself playing long hours without getting tired. I will still switch between my rvu and dav3 tho. (both are extremely expensive)
@@Itz_notjer I’m glad you’re enjoying it. I know I certainly do. I was playing some Call of Duty earlier today with it and just really enjoying myself.
It is technically made for Palm/Claw grip. But the thing about grip style/mice is that I think there is a lot of inconsistency of what those terms actually mean as grip style tends to be pretty unique. So depending on hand size and your own unique grip style fingertip grip may work. But it may not. I think I tend to do a fingertip/claw hybrid grip thing. So, I want to say yes. But again, a lot of inconsistency in what these terms mean for people. I'd recommend going to Best Buy where you could try the shape and see if it works for you or not. If you must buy you could try the Deathadder V3 Wired first then if you enjoy it and can't stand the wire return/exchange it for the V3 Pro
I got the mouse yesterday and I absolutely love it but there is one thing there keeps bugging me. The left mouse button feels like I can press it more down than it should and sometimes I can reallly feel that, is that normal or should I try getting an RMA?
Hmm, I want to say that isn't normal. I don't fully understand what you're saying which is why I'm not fully confident. Honestly, due to price and this being early life, I'd go back to where you bought it, say it is defective and exchange it out for a new model. Over trying to RMA it.
Yeah if its only one mouse button, its probably a defect. Its called either post travel or pre travel, depending on of it happens before or after the click. You should try replacing it. If it happens to be that thats just how the mouse is, maybe try clicking on a different part of the button. The farther on the front you click, the more flex it will have, so the more travel you will feel.
@@JaimeRosario884 Great points. If it is pre-travel/post-travel he is talking about that could be within the realm of acceptable (from an RMA perspective). But I'd still argue that if one button feels dramatically different than the other than I still think that is a defect. As this mouse (due to price point and it being a premium mouse) shouldn't have much if any variability between left and right click feel wise.
I bought the wired version when it was on sale at $55 and I'm hoping I can get used to it soon since I'm coming from a way more heavier deathadder elite
I think that was a solid buy! I definitely think you'll get used to it. Assuming you enjoy the new shape. As the weight you'll definitely acclimate to and appreciate.
@Thomas Muehler The clicks are definitely amazing compared to my old mouse and I like the new features as well, but there are some guns that I miss my shots with a lot when on my older mouse I would hit most of my shots. Maybe I should lower my sens or should I just give it more time? It's still like my 2nd day using it btw lol.
@@Blue-jn1ph Most people will tell you that with a lighter mouse you’ll want to lower your sens because due to it being lighter it takes less force to move the same amount of distance. I certainly lowered mine when I first got an ultralight mouse. However, now I’d say that if you aren’t driving yourself crazy that sticking to the same sens may take a little longer to get used to. But will be worth it in the long run. Especially, if you are using higher Hz (4,000/8,000) as fully saturating the bus takes a lot of movement and the lower your DPI the harder that is so you see less benefits. Studies have shown that 1600 DPI tends to be the minimum you want to go with. But if you aren’t on a 2k/4k screen that can be too hard to deal with. So, bascially that was me going on a rant of if you want the best performance do that. If you aren’t looking to min/max then try a lower sens and if you play better either keep it that way or slowly increase back up. With that last option probably being the best with the least amount of time dedicated to it. unless if you acclimate to things fast.
@Thomas Muehler I think I'll give it around 1 month with the same sens I have rn. If I still can't get acclimated, then I'll just have to lower my sens. I play on 800 dpi on a 1440p 144hz monitor just to let you know.
Oh heck yeah dude I'm excited for you! I would love to hear your thoughts on it once you get it in and try it out. Also, really appreciate the support!
The Viper V2 Pro is going to have the same shape as the Viper Ultimate, just no rubber sides, the side buttons are going to be better, the clicks are slightly more crisp/loud, it is lighter, and obviously you get slightly better performance. So, if the Viper shape is ideal for you then I'd stick with it. Mostly made for Claw/Fingertip. The Deathadder is going to have the same exact internals, nearly the same weight, and equal in every other way other than having a ergonomic shape. It's going to be a larger mouse and made mostly for palm/claw. Coating is the shame for both (unless if they've updated it since the first batch). I'm not sure if that was all that helpful. Do you have more specific questions? As the blanket statement one is harder to answer.
i ordered both the GPro superlight and the death adder v3 so i could get a feel of them both. the g pro superlight arrived earlier it feels kind of weird to use, maybe its because my hands are too big but im hoping the death adder v3 with surprise me with a more comfortable feeling
That's unfortunate that the GPX hasn't lived up to expectation for you. If you've got a large hand and depending on your grip style that could definitely be the case. I am very much looking forward to your findings of the Deathadder V3 Pro. As it seems like that will be the better fit (as it is a large mouse).
It does not require Synapse to work. Also, can use Synapse with a guest account so don't need to sign up to make changes. However, firmware updates and other settings can only be accessed through the software. If you have a throw away computer it may be worth downloading on there instead of the main PC. As I've found that even if the software isn't running there are background tasks of it in task manager. Which is frustrating.
@@ThomasMuehler thank you for quick reply...yes thats a problem, with superlight i feel like if i don't install any software and use the mouse as is (800dpi) it feels a lot smoother and no tracking issues(i have 3 superlights)
@@pav1u I would agree with you. I absolutely abhor Logitech's software. Every time I use it, I cry inside. I also find that it tends to make my settings incorrect on my mouse and it feels much worse than when I don't have it open.
LOD is the best out of any mouse. As it is highly adjustable in the software. I think I go through it in my Razer Viper Ultimate vs Razer Viper V2 Pro comparison. Where you can literally have it be high, low, medium or some type of in-between. There are like 10 - 20 steps or something (I haven't looked in a while and am not at home to check). I would assume with the tech they have that it would also auto adjust with changing the feet. But I only use stock feet and haven't swapped it out so I don't know. So that would be a better question for google.
Getting mine tomorrow, this should be close to end game for me with my Varmilo keyboard with rose switches and Fidelio X2HR, I have the soundblaster external sound card to that, tell me if you know anything better 😁
I'm excited for you man! As for Varmilo and Rose switches I have to admit I've never heard of them. Mind sharing your thoughts? As for the Fidelio X2HR. Heard great things about those. Haven't tried them myself. I'd stick with them. As headphones really are personal preference and if you enjoy them there is no reason to change/upgrade. As the more headsets/headphones I try the more I realize that spending more money does not always mean better quality and you run into diminishing returns quickly. If you have one that you like just stick to it. Don't keep looking as really there is no point. As you just end up being like me where you have different headphones for different things or based on the mood of the day which is a waste of money. For example I use the monitoring headphones for mixing (Audio Technica ATH-M50x or Sennheiser IE500 Pro - which I don't recommend), for music Sennheiser Hd650, Hifiman Ananda, and Hifiman He400i, and then Corsair HS80 Wired for competitive gaming or Logitech G735 for more leisure gaming. I also use the G735 and Apple AirPods Max for TV/Movies. But basically, that is a bunch of money that is wasted and completely overkill. As honestly my Sennheiser HD650 or Hifiman Ananda would be excellent all arounders. Add that to a bluetooth 3.5mm extender and you've got everything covered for dramatically less and 95% of the quality. Heard good things about Soundblaster as well. I had an internal sound card of theirs for a long time and I really enjoyed it. Don't see a reason to upgrade that either. As that product will easily cover your headphones. I'm also not convinced more expensive soundcards are worth it. As these days we have made dramatic improvements in that tech which lead to the same diminishing returns quickly. All in all sounds like you've got a fantastic setup! Hope you enjoy it.
@@ThomasMuehler Thanks for the good answers both here and my other comment regarding LOD, really helpfull mate. Im 100% a gamer so the 55 gram resistans in the electronic rose switches that Varmilo have is really nice, I don't press anything while Im gaming by accident and the sound is not a big thing either cuz there is nothing moving in the switch just the switch when it release so nothing else. And it's PBT plastic as well so it will last a very long time, had no trouble with it at all and I love it. I think you might be right about the soundcard as well cuz that's my feeling as well so. But Im so excited for tomorrow when I get the V3 pro tbh. You get a new subscriber here btw and thanks for some great videos mate.
Sounds like you've got it well thought out. Agree with slightly stiffer clicks it helps a lot with avoiding accidental clicks. PBT is great. Definitely agree it shouldn't be going anywhere anytime soon. Also, welcome to the family. I'm very happy you are here. I'll keep trying to bring the heat in regards to videos. If you have any other questions just let me know. As for the difference between 1,000 Hz and 4,000 Hz. Yes, I do notice a difference while gaming. It reduces latency which translates to more up to date cursor position (meaning better accuracy due to that) along with feeling smoother and slightly more attached to your brain all around. Basically, if you have gone from 60 Hz to 144 Hz it is very similar. As it just smooths things out and makes things more accurate. I'd place it as a nice upgrade, but certainly not NEEDED. More of a quality of life upgrade. And for $30 justifiable (especially, since you play games so much. Noticed even more with FPS). But if you can get it with the sale code 4000Hz for $15 absolutely worth it (as it is hard to find in stock). But some may say they don't feel anything and is pointless.. As if you aren't receptive to that you may not feel it. But if you know what you are looking for you'll notice it. Objectively tested with watching my reaction times in aim trainers, scores, and following my mice trail on the desktop. I notice it more when I use it for a while and then change to 1,000 Hz I can feel the lack of it. Kind of like going from 240 Hz to 144 Hz. Not as big of a bump as 60 - 144Hz but still noticeable if you know what you are looking for.
@@ThomasMuehler thanks for the answer I will for sure buy and try it out nexth month then cuz I for sure feel difference from 144 Hz to 240 Hz so I should notice it then according to what you have told me mate 😁
IPS = Inches Per Second. Which are how many inches per second it can go with accuracy. So, this can move 750 inches in a second with 99.6% accuracy. Acceleration is just simply the amount of G-Forces that a sensor can be under and continue to stay accurate as well. We have gotten to the point they aren't that significant as we are past where humans can perform. But your mouse can still be put under a good amount of pressure with quick flicks and stuff like that. So they aren't completely useless. The higher the spec does mean more accuracy though.
@@ThomasMuehler thank you. This is info I never really see many reviewers talk about and it does bring up a good point of it being more accurate than other mice at least on paper for those specs.
@@iJansport Most reviewers completely skip over the specs. Which I'm not a fan of. Granted a lot of mice have practically the same specs so they aren't necessarily worth going over. But I do find that highly important personally so tend to try and mention them.
Honestly, it really comes down to personal preference. The V2 Pro is made for claw and fingertip. The Deathadder (DA)for Palm and Claw. I would say both are close to being around the same size length wise. But the difference is the DA is a right handed ergo which fills out your palm making it bigger whereas the Viper V2 Pro is symmetrical with no hump at all and purposefully doesn’t fill out in your hand. What mouse are you currently using? Or what mice have you tried that you could think of that you could relate to those two mice? Spec wise they will both be the same. As with coating and PTFE.
@@ThomasMuehler i don’t rly like the g pro wireless shape as it’s a bit too narrow and i often find myself having to squeeze the sides of the mouse to get a comfortable grip
@@teyyouyang9188 the viper ultimate and viper v2 are the same shape. So if you loved that shape then go that way. The deathadder does have a slightly different shape. But is the same enough that if you enjoyed it then go that way. I will say that the new deathadder shape is a bit thinner width wise which may be a thing for you just because of what you said about the g pro I thought I’d mention that.
@@phillipivey4833 Maybe I am blind. I am definitely no expert. However, on all of my calibrated displays, it looks fine to me. Am I well lit. Yes. Am I overexposed? Perhaps a little, but I’d still say no. Just on the brighter end of the spectrum. But not to the degree that you’re making it seem. Ill make sure to try and improve that on the next video. Are you sure your monitor isn’t messed up?
I feel you. Lol. The pain of always trying to have the latest and greatest is an ever revolving door. Thankfully with mice it hasn't been rotating too fast. As Jags said you are still in the top 1% best mice. As I still rank the Superlight just below the new Razer mice. I will say you may want to hold off unless you are dead set on it being perfect for you. As I have a feeling Razer isn't done yet. They have at least one more mouse releasing this year (Razer Viper Mini Ultimate - unsure what the actual name will be). And may have others dropping (as I have no clue). Also, as long as you aren't having problems with the Superlight you don't NEED to upgrade. While the new specs on the Viper and Deathadder are a step forward. Unless if you have money to burn and want the best of the best I don't suggest upgrading. As we are at the point of diminishing returns. Will you see an improvement? Probably (as if you are more of an average player you may not). Unless if you can return the Superlight (assuming you didn't get it on sale) and just really don't want it. But yeah, the justification to upgrade at this point is hard. Where if you were buying new is easier. Also, I apologize that comment above is rough in format and sentence structure. But I'm too lazy to improve it.
@@ThomasMuehler Lol thanks for the reply! I will probably hold off because my past experience with Razer hasn't been too good. Of the 5 Razer mice I've gotten in the past, 3 had QC issues, and all of them had click issues where the mouse buttons or scroll wheel click would travel a lot before registering a click (pre travel delay). The superlight felt much more premium from that IMO, but from what I've heard the QC of the new Razer mice is much better than of the old ones. I'm a content creator and a high level FPS gamer, so undoubtedly the increase of specs from the Superlight to the DEv3 would affect me if it affects you, but personally I have never felt a difference in accuracy between the viper ultimate v1, the viper 8KHz, and the superlight. That's just me though lol. Anyways, great review, and keep up the good work! :)
@@Minurz Excellent rundown and very much appreciated. Recently I've been hearing a lot about Razer pre-travel which I haven't personally experienced on any of my units. But I'm seeing a theme here so I'm beginning to wonder if I just got lucky or if those folk are just unlucky. I'm still undecided. I also think this is partly why they keep having tighter and tighter tolerances with the optical switches (now on V3). I'm still a believer that Logitech is the best at primary clicks out of anyone. Their Mechanical Tensioning System is excellent. Razer's QA since the Viper Ultimate came out has really improved and continues to improve (at least for mice) from my standpoint (as a content creator and my comment section/research/personal). But you can still get a lemon. And I'm not sure when you last tried Razer but if it has been recently (and on their up to date mice) then you may just be cursed or I may just be blessed, lol. But you gotta do what you gotta do. I definitely felt a mild difference between the Focus+ and the HERO sensor. Which is even more noticeable now with the Focus Pro. Plus add that to the 4,000 Hz and then for sure. But again, we all vary on this and I still hold the belief that "I'm full of crap and this is placebo" as being a valid option for people. I think objectively it has been proven by others (who have the tools to measure). But again, how much does this translate to real world? Hard to answer. We are definitely at the point of diminishing returns no matter what though. But I'd worry that if you really like the Logitech, have had problems with Razer in the past, along with not feeling a difference before that it just doesn't seem like a good option unless if you just HAVE to try it out. As again, certainly not needed. However, with all that said, if you end up trying it out I would LOVE to get your opinions good or bad.
@@ThomasMuehler Absolutely will do that! If their hyperpolling dongle ever comes back in stock I may very well try the new deathadder or viper for myself!
Spec wise, yes it is better. Arguably you may not be able to tell depending on skill level and the other peripherals you have. Outside of that is personal preference. Since I haven't tried it myself I can't give you my thoughts on the comparison. But the 3395 sensor is no slouch and beats nearly all other sensors (except for Razer's newest ones as Razer was using I think the 3399 in their previous mice - Razer Viper Ultimate, etc. which I believe is a variant of the 3395 which they no longer have exclusivity with).
I would say yes. I think you'll like this a lot. As shape is going to be similar with a MASSIVE increase in specs. That is assuming you like the EC-1A shape. If you end up picking it up I would love to hear your thoughts on it especially in comparison to the EC-1A.
I got v2 hyperspeed - paid only 70$ for an open box, 58 grams, g-motion. Used to have g-pro and g-prox: Razer is way ahead of Logitech or Steelseries, just because of how accurate new-gen sensors are, also I had problems with g-prox (white), surface after 1 month of usage started changing color to nasty yellow and I couldn't get rid of it, even with nail polish. Razer's same (white) version doesn't have this problem.
Loved the rundown. Appreciate you taking the time to share. I agree about their sensors. They are incredible and feel so precise. Interesting to note about the white color, get a lot of questions about that so I'll share your answer with them.
@@ThomasMuehler appreciate it sir! Yes I was shocked my self, not sure if others have a similar problem, I found on TH-cam other two people who had a similar issue, looks like some of g-prox has a lemon paint coating on them.
@@AbrarShafi That is very interesting. Thanks for sharing. I agree a bit of texture is preferred. That kind of makes sense as I think there is a 1 gram difference between the black and white version. Which may indicate a bit more grip for the white. On the previous generation (Razer Viper Ultimate) there was a 4 gram difference and the way it felt was very noticeable.
Mice are personal preference so what is best for ME may not be best for YOU. Both of these mice are excellent and you can't go wrong with either. With that said, my personal choice easily goes to the Deathadder V3 Pro. GPX is just "outdated" at this point. That doesn't mean it isn't good and I think "outdated" is a strong word as it is still ahead of like 95% of mice on the market. Just that if I'm buying a new mouse for retail ($150 for DAV3 and $160 for GPX) I'd go for the Deathadder V3 Pro as it has the best specs out of any mouse on the market by some margin. Having the best sensor, wireless, clicks (latency wise and are immune to double clicks without debounce delay), PTFE feet, 4,000 Hz polling (with dongle that ISN'T included) and firmware. I haven't measured battery life but they are excellent on both. Weight is going to be a wash as they are both around 63ish grams. But the balancing on the DAV3 is better than the GPX making it feel lighter in my opinion. Most people would say coating would go to GPX. But I believe the DAV3 comes with grips (which I don't use or pay to much attention to which is why I'm blanking). Maybe the GPX does as well at this point (I don't think it launched with them). Most would say click feel would go to GPX due to their mechanical tensioning system and using mechanical switches. But I think the DAV3 clicks are better personally. Side clicks easily go to the DAV3. Scroll wheel is light on the DAV3 and sits pretty high. But is accurate. Not my favorite but still excellent as it performs well just isn't my cup of tea. The GPX is similar but a bit more stiff. But I'll take either one personally. Shape is going to be personal opinion but are excellent for either one. With the Deathadder being a right handed large/medium ergo mouse best for palm/claw. Where the GPX is a medium symmetrical mouse best for palm/claw. Depending on how good/hardcore you are about gaming (meaning if you want the absolute best performance no matter the cost) then DAV3. But if you can find the GPX on sale for a lot less money (I'm talking about $100 or less) then I'd go with it. As you're getting 90% of the performance for a lot less. Or if you are more of a casual gamer you may not feel the increase in specs meaning going cheaper is better. I think the biggest difference here will come down to shape. Which you really don't know if you like or not unless if you try them or have tried other mice so you know what you like/dislike. A lot of reviewers will say that specs DON'T matter. And for a while I agreed as all the specs were so close to each other for mice that it didn't matter. As they were all using essentially the same sensor and specs. But with Razer's newest refresh of specs that has changed where there is an actual difference in performance assuming you are at a level (and have the other gear such as monitors and GPU) to feel it (as a higher refresh rate and higher frames will help). As we are into diminishing returns at this point where while there is a difference it may not be worth the price increase depending on sale price, skill level, and/or where you are at as a consumer. I still feel a difference even on low-end gear (such as my work PC that is a basic laptop at 60 Hz) but I also know what I'm looking for. I'd love to hear which one you go with and your thoughts on it once you've tried it out.
@@concerphero2 Great question. Obviously, most of this is speculation from me but I think I'm pretty close to the mark. Stick with me as it takes a bit to build up before I get to the point. Also, you asked for this book. lol. 1. We are in 2016, Logitech just released the G900 for $150 which is the first gaming mouse with truly next level wireless that allowed it to perform similar or better than wired. This started their rise to stardom as over the next two years they slowly shifted the belief that wireless wasn't viable for gaming. Now we are in 2018, it has been proven that wireless mice are now just as good as wired, but are still a bit heavy and battery life holds it back. Now we are in 2018 and the G Pro Wireless (GPW) just hit shelves. It is lightweight at 80 grams, comes in a great shape, and has the new HERO Sensor. This new sensor is superior to the 3360 (which was the best sensor at that time) by providing exceptional tracking along with great battery life taking away ALL the negatives of wireless. The only negative is the $150 price point (and technically higher than average click failure rate, but that is another subject). But that price was easy to justify at that time as it was just so far ahead of the competition. 2. I don't remember the timeline exactly and I'm not going to look but I want to say 6 months later Razer released the Razer Viper Ultimate (RVU) which would be the main competition to the GPW going forward. Technically it was superior to the GPW in almost every way (better sensor, wireless, optical switches, 100% PTFE feet, etc.). The problem is it came out six months after the GPW and came with not nearly as good of shape. As arguably the GPW is one of the best shaped mice on the market (even now). 3. Fast forward about three years and the competition is just now catching up. Meaning during that time there hasn't been any real competition to dethrone either the GPW or Razer Viper Ultimate. Both of which have been dominating the wireless scene and been the mice to beat constantly being mentioned by reviewers, pros gamers, and friends. No one has any doubts about wireless limiting performance. Even now in 2022 they hold the top spots only being taken over by their own creations. With the GPW being overtaken by the G Pro X Superlight (GPX) which was essentially a weight loss mod. Now we are back into the current time in 2022 and Razer furthered the distance of being technically superior by a noticeable margin with the Viper V2 Pro and Deathadder V3 Pro as they've gotten not only a weight loss mod but also even better specs all around. Making them easily the winner spec wise. But again, the Viper continues to have a poor shape holding it back. But the Deathadder has been a popular shape since 2013 but held back by old school beliefs (weight, inferior clicks) but that isn't the case any longer. Creating a new era that we are just now walking into. It will be interesting to see how Logitech responds. With the G502X now having optical-mechanical switches it will be interesting to see if a new GPX releases being even lighter weight or just with updated switches. But the competition is now more fierce as wireless from other companies (Glorious, Finalmouse, Roccat, etc.) and sensors has caught up with Logitech. So now their once great lead tech wise is working against them. As they are selling at lower price points ($80 - $100) making a lot of people see the $150 - $160 price point seem Ludacris. Even though it has been a staple since 2016. So honestly, them still being that price is impressive. But old tech should be cheaper. So really the GPX is overpriced while Viper V2 Pro and Deathadder V3 Pro should be $150. But that's another conversation. 4. The GPX is essentially using the same tech as in 2018 but the HERO sensor allows the firmware to be tweaked to unlock more potential. Which is why it first started at I think 12,000 DPI, then 20,000, and now 26,000. This also means the GPW and GPX continue to get updates making it feel "new" again. 5. Logitech spends a stupid amount of money on marketing and sponsoring pro teams. If we take all of the points above and slam that together we get the answer to your question. 1. Logitech was the first to the game with an S-Tier wireless gaming mouse and held that lead for a minimum of six months (if we go off the RVU) or more realistically 2 - 4 YEARS and arguably ongoing (as the only two real options were Razer or Logitech until just recently). 2. Even after a technically superior mouse came out they held the lead as their shape, click feel, and coating remained superior as it is "safer" meaning more people enjoy it. For example chocolate or vanilla tend to be flavors nearly everyone likes. Where say mint or maple may not be. 3. No competition has dethroned it and they come out with a refresh (GPX) that makes a banger of a mouse even better by making it lighter (again before anyone else). 4. People who enjoy that shape feel well served as their sensor continues to improve without them needing to buy a completely new mouse. Additionally, the only superior sensor (this is arguable but not the point) is the Focus+ which is only in Razer mice or as of late the Focus Pro. Which is now changing. But focusing back up. As who doesn't love free updates?! 5. Perhaps even more important than anything else. Is Logitech sponsors a TON of pro teams. Meaning that they are forced to use Logitech peripherals. People incorrectly believe that because a Pro uses something that it must be better than everything else. Over the more likely thing of A. Sponsors forcing them to use a product. B. Pros are a superstitious lot and once they find something they like they tend to not like to change even when shown better methods as that means learning something new/changing something. C. Usually know very little about the tech. Just how they perform with it. Logitech has also spent a lot of marketing making the GPX be shown to gamers. It is also available in almost every store I know of that carries gaming peripherals making it easy to buy. Last, their marketing literally says Pros use it and have won tournaments with it which is an easy and compelling argument as if I've got 100 mice to chose from but I know this one performs at the top of the level makes it easy to choose. Add that to the safe shape and top-tier specs and why try anything else? Razer I don't think has sponsored Pros like Logitech has (but could be wrong about that). So, there you have it. My reasons why I think the GPX is so popular. Certainly well deserved. I think if Razer would have developed a better shape (and sponsored more teams and did more marketing) that you'd see a bigger split. But to say the RVU isn't a massively popular mouse is incorrect so do they really need to do that? As a ton of pros and top level gamers use it. But the shape holds it back severely.
@@ThomasMuehler ohhh now I get it, thank you so much again for the info, and when I get the deathadder v3, I will definitely share my thoughts about it! and also of course I will consider subscribing ur channel
That's 100% fair. You gotta do what is best for you. As much as I like the Viper Mini I hate that sensor with a passion. Feels incredibly loose and trashy to me. I also have a HARD time dealing with wires these days. I've gotten to accustomed to wireless (in regards to mice). Still prefer a lot of other things being wired though.
@@ThomasMuehler Well the viper mini sensor feels good to me haha i guess its because ive never had a proper gaming mouse before it, i might try a wireless mouse thats better than the Viper Mini if you have any suggestion thats not gonna make me broke lol
@@kondratov8269 I apologize, I got a bit too colorful with my language. The Viper Mini is definitely a proper gaming mouse and there are a TON of others that are far far worse. The sensor on the Mini is still an upper end sensor. The biggest flaw with it is just the high LOD and that it is a "budget" sensor so you don't get quite as good of accuracy with it. But there are a mountain of people who would fight me tooth and nail that at this point all sensors feel the same and that I'm full of crap. Obviously, I disagree with that not only my own personal subjective findings but also from data that other people have shared and what I know about sensors. But that is beside the point. The main point is the Viper Mini has a "flawless" sensor in it and the performance gain you would see going to a nicer sensor (depending on skill level) may not be all the noticeable and changing shape could NEGATIVELY impact you where you perform worse despite a mild bump in specs. So, I wouldn't upgrade for sensor alone. As the Viper Mini really nails everything else (great price, performance for price is fantastic, great PTFE, great shape, great clicks, great side buttons, feels good, etc.) that are hard to find on other mice. I still rank the Mini as one of the best mice on the market. As outside of a "budget" sensor they nailed it. They will be coming out with a Razer Viper Mini Wireless with premium specs and honestly, if you aren't having any issues with the Mini I'd stick with it and start saving now so when that releases (likely for $150) you can snag it and upgrade. As for recommendations that won't make you broke I don't really have any. The best wireless mice that I would personally buy and use are the Razer Deathadder V3 Pro, Razer Viper V2 Pro, Razer Deathadder V2 Pro, Razer Viper Ultimate, Logitech G Pro X Superlight, Starlight-12 Small (medium is also great but small would be more similar to the mini size wise. But is also far to expensive for me to actually recommend just listing mice I really like), Glorious Model O Minus Wireless. I have a different list for wired. But again, I honestly doesn't see a point of upgrading from the Mini to something else as you never know how you are going to like the shape. I see a TON of people who are absolute monsters aim wise who use the Mini. I've heard good things about Vaxee and Pulsar who both have more affordable wireless. But again, the spec increase there is mostly a wash. You get a mildly better sensor (to the point I'm not sure you would notice much difference as the specs are extremely close). The reason why I love Logitech HERO is it's got special sauce in it. And Razer's Focus+ and Focus Pro are just so far ahead of the competition with other special sauce that it makes a difference. But otherwise most other mice feel relatively the same. Which is what I mentioned in this review. Sorry for the book. Repeated myself a few times. But mostly just typed my running dialogue and that is what came out.
@@ThomasMuehler Oh that makes a lot of sense, the viper mini has been my mouse for almost 2 years and i have grown accostumed to it so im sure changing shape would definitely impact negatively. I think mice, like almost any other product, have diminishing returns the further you go up in price especially when you're a noob like me lol. Thanks a lot for the reply, I was actually thinking if i should switch to the Orochi v2 since its wireless and light yet affordable, but im still unsure if the shape and weight change is worth it.
@@kondratov8269 You definitely run into diminishing returns. My thoughts on almost everything is it isn't so much the gear as much as it is the person. A person who is amazing at something will still be amazing at something even with bottom tier gear. But when that same person has top tier gear it just makes their job a lot easier and allows them to hit crazier shots a bit more often. So, you should be training yourself. Not your gear. Orochi V2 is one I forgot that is also excellent. But again, the jump from that to the one you have isn't going to be significant. Outside of the wireless.
It’s a downgrade as they could easily offer it at $110 instead of $170 in my country. I voted with my wallet and went for the G-Wolves Sköll, which is 95% the quality for almost a third the price 😁
I disagree about it being a downgrade. As that really comes off to what you value in a mouse. To me I think the V3 is much better than the V2. The price point is debatable and as much as I would like to agree with you on it I can't for multiple reasons. As that would make other mice from smaller companies such as G-Wolves unable to compete which means they would need to either lower their prices (which are already low to begin with which is what makes them good) or they would go out of business. Also, the G-Wolves is using older technology which costs a lot less to make and are probably making more of a profit off it then Razer is off the DAV3. Ironically. I also highly disagree with 95% of quality for a third of the price. Skoll has a inferior sensor, switches, firmware, latency, not wireless, 1,000 hz over 4,000 hz, not holed, technically heavier (not noticeable). Shape, size, click feel, PTFE, coating, and scroll wheel are more subjective and I will grant you is probably very similar and may even give the win to Skoll in a few areas. Additionally, if something were to go wrong Razer is going to be easier to go with and I'd imagine inside components are also higher quality. But here's the thing. Mice are subjective tools. As long as you are happy with what you've got that's the only thing that matters. I'm not saying you made a bad choice. Nor am I saying you made a good choice. Because my opinion doesn't matter. The only thing that matter is are you happy with your purchase. If yes, then you done good. And truly, I'm happy that you enjoy it so much.
best mouse ever, I wish I got it on sale of course, but its still great. Also cant believe people getting white for this? turning brown just isnt appealing
Agreed. As for the white coating. Fair criticism. Very few of my peripherals have any yellowing. And the ones that do it is extremely mild and only noticeable under extremely bright lighting. But I tend to play with clean hands all the time and my hands don't really sweat.
i like ergo mice becuase I like a light gaming mouse but I have medium sized hands and use a palm grip. most light mice are optimized for claw/ fingertip users. nice to see a change though.
@@ThomasMuehler i bought the v3 pro and while 150 dollars is a ton for a gaming mouse i couldnt be any happier. a g703 superlight didnt come fast enough lol
I watched many reviews about razer viper ig its v1 gen means that it has v1 optical switches which are worse than the v2 i wanted to buy the razer 8k but its not available in my country and i cant buy razer viper ultimate because its too expensive in my country its around 150$ so in the end its razer viper vs deathadder v2 overall the sensor and the clicks and glide is better on the deathadder v2 but im just afraid of the shape and the weight is 10g more than the viper ( i play valorant , cs go… ) also i found xtrfy m42 wired but ppl talk bad abt it clicks and it feels cheap so i wanted to ask what should i go for as a medium hand size uses claw grip , standard razer viper or deathadder v2 or maybe xtrfy m42
Just to clear up some misconceptions about the V1, V2, and V3 switches. They are all the same switch, however each version/generation has better “binning” which basically means tighter tolerances which leads to less defective units. Another way of saying that is the V1 switch and V3 switch (assuming neither are faulty) will feel the same (or theoretically). It gets more complicated than that but that’s the main gist. I think people get a bit obsessed about that so it can be an issue. I would see this as a bigger issue depending on how easy/hard it is to RMA in your country. Totally understand about the Viper Ultimate. As for the Deathadder V2. Also a good choice as it is a good mouse. Great shape. But with you having a medium hand and claw grip I’m a bit concerned about the Deathadder as it is quite wide which makes claw a bit more difficult. Which is why I like the new Deathadder V3 shape a lot (as it thinned it out a bit making claw grip more viable). I don’t know about the M42 but do own the M4 and it is one of my favorite mice of all time. It feels great all around. Really don’t have any negatives. Again, I’ve got a review on my channel if you want more information. Bottom line. I think all three of those mice are great options. All of them are some of the top performing mice I’ve tried. Both the M4 and the Deathadder are technically ergo mice which tend to dominate palm grip. But you can do claw but may not be as comfortable. Where the Viper is made for fingertip and claw. I don’t know how good returns work in your country either. But if you can return them without much effort I’d recommend going with whichever one sounds the best for you and then if you don’t like it return them until you get the one you like.
@@ThomasMuehler thank u so much but just one thing does razer optical switches and normal mechanical switches like omron or kalih make much diff except for that the no double clicking issue for the optical switches ? I am high level player and im searching for mouse with low click latency and good sensor so yea
@@aminebrini8370 Technically optical switches are superior as they are immune to double clicks, have less movable parts so will last longer, and have zero debounce delay making them faster. So, they will have the lowest latency over mechanical as mechanical switches require a debounce delay which makes them slightly slower. Does this matter in real world scenarios? I'll let you decide. Most people say that it doesn't as it is in the millisecond range. I'm not necessarily on that boat as I think humans are more perceptive than we think we are. But that is a whole other conversation. Most people enjoy the way mechanical switches feel over optical switches. As I think those extra mechanical parts give a slightly more tactile feeling. But I think if I was doing a blind test I wouldn't be able to tell what an optical switch is over a mechanical switch (honestly probably both with latency and with feel). As again most of the click feel comes from the shell design over the switch itself.
@@ThomasMuehler thanks a lot i understand a lot with ur reviews ur so underrated , all the other reviews talk only abt the build quality , buttons and forget the sensor and the switches and all Anyways in the end i asked a website and it told me that razer viper 8k is coming next week so i will wait and buy it
@@aminebrini8370 I appreciate the kind words. That's one reason I got into TH-cam is I was unsatisfied with a lot of other reviews as I felt they didn't really tell me much about the product other than surface level subjective things. I try my best to be as objective as I can. Also, I prioritize performance over everything else where most others only focus on feel. So try to look at products holistically by deep diving into them and also bring up points others tend to say regularly so people have as much information as possible to make a good buying decision. That is excellent news that they will have it in next week. I'm excited for you. And would seriously love to hear your opinions on it once you've got it in and tried it out. Good and bad. As like I said above I use that information to share with other people, test against my own findings, and because I genuinely just enjoy those conversations.
Really comes down to personal preference. Personally, I think the this is superior. As spec wise there is quite the jump. Not saying the GPX is a slouch by any means. Just that take came out years ago and isn't cutting edge anymore. Due to that I think the performance you get (and future proofing) of the DAV3 Pro gives you more bang for your buck (assuming you are buying both at retail. Sale prices change that conversation a bit). I also think the shape is competitive for both of them where more people than not are going to really like it. But with all that said there is a reason why the GPX is one of the most popular mice ever. As it's also excellent in nearly every category. The only thing holding it back is it's age. And even then it still out classes nearly every other mouse on the market. To get a bit more specific. FOR DEATHADDER: - Better sensor, wireless, polling (4,000 Hz capable), weight balance (so even though it is 3 -4 grams heavier it feels lighter but the GPX also has FANTASTIC weight balance), clicks (feel is subjective but immunity to double clicks and zero debounce isn't), side buttons, PTFE feet. FOR SUPERLIGHT: - Arguably better texture, great feeling clicks, there is just some type of special sauce to it (which also is there with the DAV3. You can't go wrong with either one. I'd love to hear which one you decide to go with and why.
@@dr.cornscoop4864 I think the feet on the Deathadder are better. not by a significant margin but still find the glide to be smoother and less drag inducing. I'm no PTFE expert. Someone else had this same comment somewhere in the comment section. I'm too lazy to hunt it down but I go a lot more in-depth there then I will here. But basically the PTFE on the Deathadder cover less surface area but are thicker (probably on the thickest side of the mice I own but not THE thickest). Due to this thickness I believe it gives it less drag and therefore feels better. Or at least on my Glorious XXXL mousepad. It's very smooth to the point I don't notice it. Where with the Superlight I do occasionally. Again, the Superlights aren't BAD but a lot of people complain of how thin they are and that they wear out quickly and require them to buy third party. I still have my stock ones on. But they are extremely thin. The thinnest I've seen on any mouse I own.
I would agree. Probably the closest to perfect I've tried and definitely fits my preferences the best. But not perfect. But if I'm being completely honestly that is there simply to get those views. As TH-cam is completive, I'm a tiny channel, this is what the experts say work, and I gotta get those views so I can pay this bad boy off. I'm saying this lightheartedly, but also completely serious. lol
Currently only available on Razer.com. But as Jags says they have been having problems keeping it in stock as their has been higher demand than they anticipated. But are working hard on producing more and more units.
@@ThomasMuehler I ordered it around a week ago, received it 2 days ago and it is an aaamazing mouse, coming from the gpx superlight. The scroll wheel bumps when using it is a huge plus for me so i'm in love with this mouse!
@@korbique I'm glad you are liking it so much! Definitely can't go wrong with either the Superlight or this guy. And I'm with you I prefer this one. Appreciate you getting back to me! Love hearing other people's opinions on products.
Did I say insane in the video? If I did then that was me being a bit enthusiastic. However, I'd still say it is excellent. What makes you not thing so? Some of my other reasoning is that to make it lightweight you are taking away some things. So making it still have excellent structural integrity despite that is even harder than making a brick that feels solid. Where weight isn't a concern. Also, a lot of people mistakenly think something that is lightweight is cheap.
@@ThomasMuehler watched the vid yesterday and yes i recall you said it was insane, but yea its whatever, from personal and other reviews it has flexing on the shell after a little use… other than that awesome mouse
@@HakenMods Totally fair point. I don't have any flexing on either of mine. Have heard some people have that issue though. But that is also incredibly common on ultralightweight mice, as again to hit those weight numbers structural integrity takes a hit. And to be honest mice in general tend to have some flex regardless as well. So, I guess I look at it from more what is a reasonable amount of flex at what grip strength. But maybe I'm a bit more relaxed than I should be about it.
@@ThomasMuehler yea true, ive mostly used the superlight and g303 shroud edition from logitech(not a fan boy) and those feel fairly solid from almost a years use on both. I do however have a tendency to clench while aiming so that might be why
@@HakenMods Ironically, I tend to notice way more flex in all my Logitech mice compared to Razer lol. But I love both companies. I definitely don't clench when gaming. If anything I try my best to keep my hand firm but relaxed. Which may be another reason why I just don't pay a lot of attention to it.
I'll make it plural if I want! JK, thanks for the callout. Obviously my delivery of certain words leaves a lot to be desired. I probably also pronounced it wrong too.
It is expensive. But I do cover my thoughts on that in the video. Also, more and more mice (with less features) are coming out at higher price points. Which I'm not saying is a good thing. So, it'll be interesting to see where this conversation (as a community goes).
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What do you guys think about the DAV3? Worth it or not?
CORRECTION:
In the video I report 650 IPS for the Focus Pro. That is INCORRECT and a typo. I meant to put 750 IPS. The 650 IPS is for the previous Focus+ Sensor. I got too used to saying the old specs that I messed up the new specs. Thanks Razer The Fiend for pointing that out. Very much appreciated.
hello there nice review... i have question am on buying GPX superlight 2 or DAV3 but am incline more to GPX because am scared from razer soft :D is there any way to use this mouse and never need to instal that ,,bloatware,,? thats my only reason why am incline more to GPX. because i had in the past few razer stuff and that soft is worst of all..
@@lukasrigan5921 I find the software from both companies to be crap. I like Razer's software better than Logitechs. As it is more user friendly. But is frustrating to deal with as I feel like I'm exporting a video everytime I launch it. It takes forever and spins forever. lol
With that out of the way. You can download the Razer software, use Guest login (where you don't need to signup), set your settings (if you aren't using stock settings), and then delete it off your computer and never use it again. So, no you don't NEED to install it. But with firmware updates and setting Hyperpolling (if you use 4k/8k) you'll need to have the software installed at least once. I also like to switch between 1k and 8k polling depneding on what I'm doing. So 1k for normal browsing and games that don't need faster polling and 8k for FPS and other aim dependent games. As that saves battery life.
I don't think you can go wrong with either one. But Razer is significantly more future proof over Logitech with better performance. But I would argue that for most people the difference in performance won't be noticeable as their skill/ability/care/intensity/other gear will be the thing limiting them. And even then is probably not noticeable unless you are competing at the top levels.
I’m coming from a Logitech G PRO X Superlight and I’m blown away at how comfortable this DAV3 is. I feel it’s way more accurate than the GPX. The DAV3 feels like a smaller Microsoft Intelli mouse ( a mouse I loved at the time). I’m extremely happy with the DAV3 and is easily my new main bae. 😂
Oh heck yeah! I love to hear it. I'm happy for you. I love mine as well.
how do I connect this mouse to my laptop?
I bought Deathadder v2 and v3 and stuck with the V2. I can tell just how amazingly comfortable and sharp the v3 is with a short quick run I had with it. Those with carpal tunnel issues will find a home with this mouse. I would totally have it as a backup and everyday mouse if it didn't cost so much. I have large hands so the wideness (and flares) of the V2 actually helped me aim better meanwhile the V3 honestly feels and looks like a different kind of mouse altogether. The cheap price and features of the V2 made it an easy choice too but the V3 is an easy pick up for me when they start dropping in price down the road
I totally agree, the difference between the V2 and the V3 is bigger than they seem on the surface. I like the V2 A LOT. But it's just a bit too wide for my grip style (almost forcing me into just palm) which isn’t an issue on the V3. With it being thinner it is easier for me to grip, and the other small changes allows me to combo all three grip styles (fingertip, claw, and palm) depending on what I'm doing. Which really surprised me. Also, agree with the V2 being on sale on a regular basis it is extremely hard to beat and pass up. Especially, with the V3 rarely going on sale (currently) and the premium price point. Still think they are justified for that price (seeing as it is the best mouse on the market outside of the Viper V2 Pro). But that doesn’t make it any easier to swallow.
Use a trackball for normal use and normal mice for gaming, that helps with wrist pain.
the way you explained and reviewed the mouse is sooooo good man i love it
I appreciate you taking the time to let me know and provide some encouragement. Thanks!
I love this mouse! So comfortable and the clicks are 👌 the scroll wheel sensitivity is slightly too sensitive but that is literally the only criticism I can give. Best mouse I’ve ever used, I think I’m hearing wedding bells too 🔔
I would agree. I think the scroll wheel is a bit too light for my personal preference. But can't fault it for that either as it comes down to personal preference. Also, the best I've used as well. Constantly blown away at how much I enjoy it and perform with it.
Also, ElllHefe I deeply appreciate the support. Thanks for watching till the end. That helps me more than you know.
how do I connect it to my laptop, with a dongle or blue tooth?
I used to have 6 or 7 Deathadders over the years. I love the shape, it's nice that it is not so heavy anymore. I think the optical switches should fix click failures. I just wish they would adress the pre / post-travel.
As mentioned in the previous comment you left (which I truly appreciate and thanks for checking out multiple of my videos!).
Mind explaining to me what you mean by pre/post travel.
As I honestly don't know what you're talking about so feel like I am missing something. As pre-travel has always been excellent on my models. Post-travel I get a bit more. But again, don't see that outside of the average of any other mouse I try so don't see an issue there either.
@@ThomasMuehler It just doesn't feel the same as my Intelli or Superlight.
The clicks on the deathadders feel mushy and it takes longer from pressing till the click registers.
You can also see it in the front. I haven't got my v3 yet, maybe it's better here.
I would agree the clicks on my Deathadder V2 Pro do feel mushy. And that has been the case for all previous variants of the Deathadder I have tried. But on the Deathadder V3 Pro they have dramatically improved and now feel very crisp. I'm looking forward to hearing your thoughts on it once you get in yours and try it out.
But sounds like you've got it right. If it travels a lot and then clicks then that would be my definition of pre-travel as well. But when you say it doesn't feel the same is it because of that travel? Or are you saying overall feel of the click? As most people find mechanical switches feel more crisp (as they have an additional mechanism and parts that gives an additional bump which feels different). Also, shell makes a big difference in click feel. Logitech tends to dominate as they have something called Mechanical Tensioning System that really dials that stuff in. Despite not using as quality of switches. But arguably for most feel is all that matters (assuming it is not wildly defective).
@@ThomasMuehler i think i will go with gpx just because i can put any mech switch i want on it
@@ege8240 That's fair. You gotta go with what is best for you. I don't know anything about modding mice so not sure how easy or hard that is.
Had mine for a lil over a week now to replace my Model D that just stopped working, even the RMA copy they sent me as well.... best mouse I've ever used and my aim also improved! The clicks are stupid crisp and the shape is perfect for my hand, if Logitech had come out with the G703 superlight I would have snatched that in a minute as the 703 is the most comfortable mouse I've used... but that weight would always cause fatigue during long sessions, well that's not a problem anymore with this mouse. Well worth the money I spent on it, I ended up getting Corepad grips for it as I tend to get sweaty hands and the coating didn't always give me the best grip, highly recommend them for anyone who needs grips on their mice for any reason.
Love the rundown! Thanks very much.
I too would love to see a Logitech G703 Superlight. And know you and I aren't' alone as I've seen it brought up a lot. But not sure if Logitech is listening. But I'm glad you are enjoying the Deathadder V3 Pro. Definitely think it can't be beat right now in the market.
Such a solid review.. I had no idea of all of the small details that make this mouse so much better now. The two 1K signals, the interior materials, the shape adjustments. They thought this out, and I'm happy I picked it up. I have the V2 Pro, and immediately I felt the difference of the ergo shape, and my KD ratio and kill count reflected it. Well done mate. I'm subscribing.
Right?! I was pretty surprised too. Who knew gaming mice had so much nuance. Glad you are enjoying the mouse and seeing a difference in performance! Also, welcome to the family cheeto8481 (love the name). I'm very glad you are here.
Picked up Razer's Huntsman V2 TKL with purples yesterday and realized how good their optical switches felt. Decided it was finally time to make the jump to a next level mouse and went from Model O Wireless to the DA V3 Pro. It's only been a few hours but this mouse feels great. Lighter than the MOW and any fear I had about a "razer squishy mouse click feel" are totally gone. All the buttons are flawless and crisp. Seriously Razer optical tech is on another level right now in FEEL not just performance. 1911 trigger vs. a Glock if anyone knows the difference there. The shape and form factor are still growing on me as the mouse DOES feel a bit more bulky than the MOW but my hand is able to relax and fit around the mouse now. I think a few days of learning to re-grip and apply pressure in new places on the mouse is going to be a game changer. It's immediately apparent how precise the mouse is though even over another current gen product.
Oh man! Loved the rundown. Thanks very much for taking the time to share. I completely agree. And I'm glad you can feel the precision. People think I'm crazy when I say it. But I feel it immediately whenever I use Razer mice. And definitely think they do optical switches the best.
@@ThomasMuehler It feels wired, best way to describe it.
I've been using DA's since the 3.5G model, I absolutely love them, specially the BlackEdition, unfortunately that one died from double click, I've had like 5 different models, I just love the shape, currently I have the Essential white and the 4G (2013) that still works fine, I haven't tried the new ones because I've abandoned PCgaming ($$$). I think I would trade my Logi GPX superlight for one of those. If I build a new rig someday the Deathadder is always on my wishlist.
I'm from Mexico PC components are even more expensive here, my last CPU/GPU was a i7 7700k and a evga 1080 SC. Now I only play on consoles and I have a Macbook for working/browsing. Back in day I used to collect mechanical keyboards and mice (I even have a CM Novatouch keyboard with topre switches 🤩).
A true Deathadder fan! I think you would certainly enjoy it if you even find a good price and/or are able to trade for it.
But I totally get you. Gaming and peripherals are expensive. But thankfully, if you've got something that works you don't need to upgrade (except for PCs since that kind of has a diminishing return if you keep playing the latest titles. But if you are playing a single game and it works then you're good). I've had to back way off as well.
Imagine you are a startup business who is selling mice for 70-90 dollars and then, BAM! A massive company like Razer drops the new Deathadder for 99 dollars. What do you think happens to your business? You have to price things according to the market or you can crash it. Believe it or not, Razer made an ethical choice to price these as they have. Low prices kill small business.
Great point that not a lot of people think about. Especially, with this product being leagues better than anything else in the 80 - 100 range.
Dav3 is $150. Different enough price that it isn’t undercutting smaller businesses.
with sensors i fell like this:
-I want to buy new tires for my car.
-Buy those ones that costs 1000€ and the only difference is that are more stable at speeds 350km\hour and more
-Yes but my car only reaches 150km\hour.
-OPS
I get where you’re coming from. However, the other benefits of more expensive tires tends to be better grip in general for everything. Along with quieter noise while driving. Add that to a more smooth ride. And better grip during bad weather. So while you may not get to those speeds. You still notice benefits even at lower speeds. that you may or may not realize depending on how sensitive you are to that sort of stuff.
For a long time sensors haven’t really mattered because they’ve all been so close together. And we are definitely at the point where it is incredibly hard to find a bad gaming mouse. Which is great for us. But with razers new tech, there is an actual difference that personally, I feel rather easily. But others may not share that same feeling. Which is perfectly fine. I’m all for performance as that is what gets my rocks off when regarding tech. So that is what my channel is going to be focusing on. As I like to squeeze as much as I possibly can out of stuff and see what the cutting edge has to bring. but not everybody is like me, and for the majority of people I would not recommend buying a top tier, premium gaming mouse. But a more modest one that will get you almost all the way there. As diminishing returns is common place the more expensive something gets. Especially with tech.
Starting testing this mouse out today. It is very good, but there are still several areas for improvement. Vaxee provides much better mouse coating, and slightly better clicks and shape. But the shape and clicks of the V3 are at least comparable, and it provides advantages in other areas, such as weight, click latency, wireless functionality, and hyperpolling. By far the best wireless ergo on the market today, but if you don't mind wires and can stand mice in the 70 gram range, Vaxee is king
I'll have to check out Vaxee. Which model are you talking about so I can try that one?
I also have a HARD time going back to wired these days for mice. As wireless has gotten so good.
@@ThomasMuehler I have the Vaxee Outset AX with the full matte coating, which is probably the most comparable shape to the V3 pro. In hand, it feels like the most premium mouse I own. But it weighs 76 g, which I find exhausting after getting used to mice in the 50-60g range. And I do love modern wireless as well... Would love to hear your perspective, though
@@bla_ank If I end up picking one up and remember to get back to you I'd be happy to share my findings.
@@ThomasMuehler Sounds good 👍
@@bla_ank can you really tell between anything below 80 or even 85?
Goddamn this was a perfection of a review bro. Well done. Can't wait to get my hands on the DAV3 PRO asap!
I would love to hear your thoughts on the mouse once it comes in and you’ve tried it out.
I'm so fed up with Logitech's mice and how after a year they start having issues with double clicking. I've changed 3 G pro x so far and I always end up with the same issue. I guess it's time I go back to razer since this one looks amazing. Great review!
Man that is crazy. The new GPX2 has optical switches. But I had one comment say they had double clicks with that too. Since this comment have you gotten a mouse? If yes how are you liking it?
Excellent review. Detailed, and very well explained why this mouse is superior to the competition. Helped me make a choice, after spending half a day watching mouse reviews. Thank you.
Glad I could help. Which one did you end up going with?
recently bought it. regarding RAZER I was using for some time (2 years+) the mamba. Also used the basilisk ultimate as my mamba's cord (needed for recharge at least) was not working properly and I had to replace it - fortunately it was as I supected a cord issue and not a mouse issue. Still love the mamba, my first razer ever - was a logitech G series guy - but regarding battery time, sensor, weight, the way the DAV3P grips so well to my medium (!) hands, it just seems I't just seems I'm playing with my hand and no mouse. The best best mouse I've ever tried, even in a relative way, as I use gaming mice since the launch of counter strike (pre 1.5, i'm almost sure). Great video, I've seen the love for the mice many does not have (because of the humps and being a right hand use mouse - people usualy put side to side, talking about Razer only, the viper v2 pro, which is even lighter but I like more the DAV3P ergo, with this one with a slight but deinitive edge for the v2 pro), I agree with most of what you said, great analysis and also learned something even if 11 months later. And the USB-C to USB-A cord might be relevant to many, as it is not "proprietary" (like mine were regarding how you could reach the port on the mouse) as the micro-USB to USB-A cord at least used on other previous razer i own (whic are compatible or interchancheble between them) which I fin to be a little aggressive posture by razer - gratefull they changed (not sure if they were obliged to...). Cheers. One sub more ;)
I think you’ve made some excellent choices. The Mamba is one of the few Razer mice I haven’t tried. But I have been using the Basilisk V3 Pro for my normal causal browsing mouse and love it. In general think the recent fare from Razer has been fire. Love the V2 Pro, Viper Mini SE, and Deathadder V3 Pro as well. With them being some of the best mice I’ve tried to the point other mice don’t really interest me anymore. Except for the Finalmouse Ultralight X as it looks interesting. All of them each have their pro, cons, and use cases.
I REALLY like Razer cords. As I think they are attractive, have good flexibility (not the best but that’s due to having to hit spec), as they actually go through the proper certification of making them fully to spec. Which I’m not sure every company does. Which makes me feel safe in using them for whatever. And they are able to be used on anything that it will fit. Even the Micro-USB cords should have worked on anything that it fits. But they did have a unique reinforcement to make them specifically fit their mice better. Which is a double edged sword. As it can limit it for other products. But adds extra redundancy on their own supported products. Which isn’t abnormal in the space.
Also, welcome to the family! And thank you for taking the time to give me such a great rundown of your thoughts/findings.
I've been having some wrist issues lately using the Finalmouse Starlight-12 (i think it may be slightly too small for my hand and the aggressive claw grip that i have to use seems to be adding tension to my wrist), so I'm going to give the DAV3 a try as my first Ergo mouse since the Logitech G400s. I'm excited!
Interesting. I'll be curious to hear if that goes away with the new mouse. Also, I'm excited for you man! I would love to hear your thoughts on it once you get it in and try it out.
Can we get an update on how its going for you?
@@kariioh3964 I'm assuming you're asking @YeahhDan. But on the small chance you aren't. I still love the DAV3. It continues to be one of my favorite mice of all time.
First of all I love your detailed reviews.
- I have huge hands. Palm gipping makes me considerably slower in CSGO. So in the current scenario Viper V2 Pro would be the best buy or this one? (use Claw grip)
Hey Theone,
I want to say I've already answered this in another comment of yours. If I am incorrect let me know and I'll respond back.
Hi Thomas, the video was really informative, great work! I do have a question however, currently I'm using a Razer Viper Ultimate, would you think the G Pro X Superlight or the DAV3 Pro is a better upgrade?
GPX superlight would be a side trade. As technically the Viper Ultimate has better internal specs. So, the benefit you would gain would be if you perform better/find the GPX shape to be more comfortable. Also, you'd have a slightly lighter mouse, which would be beneficial. I would argue the ~80 grams compared to ~60 grams is noticeable. Battery life would also be better as no rgb. Some would say clicks may feel a bit more consistent/crisp and may not be as loud.
DAV3 Pro would be an upgrade all around. As better internals, I'd argue a better shape (assuming you are right handed, and use claw/palm as it isn't really a fingertip mouse), lighter weight, better battery, usb c charging (but no dock), able to do 4,000 Hz with additional purchase of 4k dongle.
Personally, I find unless if the GPX is on a massive sale that it isn't worth it compared to the new Razer mice (if buying at retail price). As GPX is using 4-year old tech and DAV3 Pro and Viper V2 Pro are using the newest best tech on the market. Shape is important but at this point specs (with these mice) there is a noticeable difference where they start to play into the equation. Even if that difference is mild. Where with almost every other mice on the market it doesn't matter. As internals are essentially the same.
I'd also argue that the Razer Viper Ultimate) is still an S-Tier Mouse. Along with GPX, Viper V2 Pro, and DAV3 Pro. So you won't be finding a huge difference between any of these. As you can't find better on the market. If you can't stand the shape and find the shape better on these other mice then it may be worth the upgrade. But we are at the point of diminishing returns. Personally, I upgraded to the Viper V2 Pro and Deathadder V3 Pro immediately and don't regret it at all. I love both of them and all other mice on the market aren't interesting to me anymore. As they just perform better than everything else. Especially since I got the 4,000 Hz polling dongle. But not everyone is as passionate about mice as I am and willing to burn that much money on something that is a luxury over a necessity (unless if you are a pro, on your computer all the time, or game all the time). So really comes down to you.
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*gasp! I was right?!
That is wonderful news! Thanks for letting me know. Very much appreciated.
I am a League of Legends player, and as such, I prefer champions with high mobility. I use a palm grip, although my palm doesn't always fully touch my mouse. My hand measures around 18 cm in length and 7 cm in width. I'd like to know which mouse you recommend for the game: the DeathAdder V3 Pro or the Viper V2 Pro. Currently, I use the Razer Naga Pro, which is quite heavy and causes fatigue. The clicks are also harder to activate. Additionally, the ergonomic shape of this mouse doesn't allow my pinky and ring fingers to rest completely, making them feel tense.
While the Deathadder V3 is smaller than the Deathadder V2 I am concerned that it still may be too big for your hand. Specifically, width wise. Making me think the Viper V2 Pro would be better. However, it is very flat. So it may not work for palm grip if that is your preferred style. Which is hard for me to tell. But seeing as the V3 Pro and Naga Pro are both ergo mice that is why I am saying that. You could also look into the new Viper V3 Hyperspeed. Some trades with quality but I find it to be kind of a hybrid shape of the Deathadder V3 Pro and Viper V2 Pro. Plus it is cheaper. Same internals. Biggest thing is forward sensor position and external battery. But from a shape perspective I think would be your jam. I'd expect all of those to have lighter clicks. As usually Razers switches are quite light. But you said the Nagas are heavy so I'm not sure.
I have measured my hand again, and it really is 8 cm wide. Should I choose the DeathAdder? I think another option to consider could be the LGP X Superlight. What do you think?
@@samuelkassra8063 My above still stands with the 8 cm wide.
Yes, I think the GPX would also be a good choice. As that has a great shape. However, the performance is technically worse than the Razer mice. As the internals are better on Razer mice.
But then the argument goes to is it a noticeable difference?
If you are have a high level of aim. Yes. If your squarely in the below average, average, or casual range maybe not. I still think someone would notice it. But that is not the popular opinion. But not sure if that is because I'm on crack or because others haven't tried a modern day Razer against another mouse directly.
Additionally, shape, size, and weight do play a part in how a mouse performs to you. For me most shapes, sizes, weights don't really impact me much from my baseline performance. Where for others it makes a huge difference. So depends on where you come down on that spectrum. As if a mouse has the ideal shape, size, weight you'll perform better with it than a mouse that has superior specs but doesn't check those boxes. Which was a long explanation but I thought important.
Which is why so many people have multiple gaming mice. As they are trying to find the "perfect mouse". But there is no such thing as the perfect mouse. You're just chasing marketing. As shape, size, weight are all personal preference. And no mouse will hit every single checkbox and it almost comes an addiction. What I've found after testing out a bunch of mice. Is categories. There are mid-tier, high-tier, and upper-tier mice. All of the ones listed are upper-tier mice. Where the main differences between them are really personal opinion over an objective thing. And you start splitting hairs.
wedding bells. I love your reviews. They're comprehensive, entertaining, and give me everything I'm looking for. Thank you
Thanks for the support and checking out multiple videos! Very much appreciated.
Now to hope pmm makes this shape. Dream come true
Can’t say I’m too familiar. Looked them up and they seem interesting. Do you own one of their mice already? If so what makes it special over other companies in your opinion?
@@ThomasMuehler first of I only use Logitech mice because of their software. Basically since they use Logitech internals I can have any mouse shape I want with Logitech inside. I have their air58 shape atm. I guess it's also good for people who want a particular shape that's either impossible to get (finalmouse) or isn't wireless (Zowie). Their build quality or innovation has come a long way in the past year
@@karmaQT All good points. I appreciate you sharing.
I love both, its hard to chose between the V2pro and the DAV3 some days.
I agree. I think from a pure performance standpoint the Viper still takes the W. But from a long term casual comfort and society as a whole (due to the safer shape) that the Deathadder takes the W. Regardless both are 10/10 and can't go wrong with either one.
@@ThomasMuehler completely agree. It really comes down to hand size as well. You don’t want to work and play on v2 pro if you palm grip and finger tip grip or any form of relaxed grip of the two. I have medium-large hands, and da v3 pro is the one on my desk. Da v3 pro just fills my hands better and I can spend hours using it for work and not really wanting to grab the master 3 that I use for work.
@@k.w5804 Hand size definitely plays a big part. I think palm tends to be more comfortable for work. But for gaming fingertip/claw tends to give the best aim. The Viper V2 Pro was made for fingertip/claw. Deathadder was made for palm/claw. But agree the way the Deathadder just snuggles into the hand is great.
It was great till it broke after only 1 year of gaming, afterwards I swapped to the logitech pro wireless which also feels just as good so we will see if it lasts longer
Well it comes with a two year warranty. So I'd RMA it. What is wrong with it if you don't mind me asking just out of curiosity?
From my experience Logitech tends to be even more finicky. Where like Razer you either get a product that lasts forever or one that breaks down quickly. But I hear constantly about click issues from Logitech. But I am hoping for the best for you!
@@ThomasMuehler yeah but after a year they are really difficult to get replaced so i end up buying a new ones.
Mine was the v2 not v3 but after that and the issues i had with the blackshark v2 pro i decided to make a change away from razer as i remember the previous deathadders would last years before breaking though they were wired ones.
What went wrong with my v2 pro was the battery was the first thing that went after 9months so ended up having to keep the wire attached, after that the signal would start having issues if the mouse was more than 3 feet away from the dongle. Also the rubber side grip was coming off which is down to wear and tear but still shows that the design is badly thought out since its meant for gaming and the previous gen wired deathadders had soft plastic side grip that didnt peal.
@@stelun1285 Really?! That's wild I've never heard of battery issues. Have heard some issues with wireless but that is seldom. And the rubber sides also shouldn't be coming off as they are built into the mouse itself. Which again is highly abnormal. So, I guess you're just lucky in getting all the rare defects in a single mouse. Congrats! lol. But seriously, I'm sorry to hear that man. Very frustrating. But thanks for letting me know. That's helpful.
How are you liking the GPX?
@@ThomasMuehler Been using the GPX now for about 2 months and have to say at the start, I really didn't like the feeling of the design as I was so used to the deathadder grip, but after a week or 2 that went and it feels just as good. In some ways its actually better as it seems designed for a finger grip rather than a palm grip which is really good for FPS type of games I play since I find I have more control now with this grip rather than the palm grip i was so used too with the DA. Otherwise quality seems fine and no issues with battery or signal but time will tell i guess.
@@stelun1285 Completely agree that the shape of the GPX is excellent and that if it works for your grip style it can be very comfortable. And I'm also a firm believer that fingertip aim is much better than palm. As it gives you more "pixel" movement as your fingertips are bit more dexterous than your entire hand give you more control. I tend to kind of switch between all three styles (fingertip, claw, palm) depending on what I'm doing. But probably do fingertip/claw the mass majority of the time.
Also, quality should be excellent. The last time I was paying attention to battery life (which was a while ago) GPX was on top. Logitech's wireless tech has also been great. As is their firmware. The only thing holding them back in my opinion is their sensor is just not premium anymore. As plenty of others have surpassed them. But then we get into the weeds quickly of does sensor accuracy past a certain point even matter?
All that to say I'm really happy you are enjoy it. I think you made a good choice. As the GPX is still an S-Tier mouse. It just is not longer in 1st place like it has been for years prior.
Great video, very informal, great production. You earned yourself a new sub.
I'm glad you enjoyed it. Welcome to the family Jaayd1p. I'm glad you're here.
Hello, Thomas!
Do you think it's worth to buy a DAV3 pro now? Or should I wait until dav4 comes out?
Great question.
1. One thing I really enjoyed about the Viper V3 Pro is that you can have 1,000 Hz on the desktop and then higher hertz (2,000/4,000/8,000 Hz) once you open a game. Which is a nice quality of life improvement.
2. With the V3 Pro it came with the hyper polling dongle. Meaning if you don’t already own one you “save” money by waiting as it should also be included with the DAV4 Pro. That is speculation though.
3. Additionally, if you look at the new DAV3 Hyperspeed it has a slightly new shape, I think? Which means the V4 will have that new shape (most likely). So, depending on which shape you prefer that could be a good or bad thing.
4. Last, on my Viper V3 Pro and according to reviews (as I haven't tested the Deathadder V3 Hyperspeed) the clicks are the best they have been. With them feeling very crisp, but not being as loud as optical switches tend to be. Also, the coating is slightly better.
I would expect the DAV4 Pro to be released in probably like 6 months? As it seems like that is kind of their schedule. But ALL of this is speculation on my part. If I’m right all of those are more quality of life improvements that may or may not be worth waiting for. As assuming they don’t do anything horrifically wrong all of these mice are “S-Tier” (highest tier you can get). And you can’t go wrong with any of them. As at this level it comes down to splitting hairs and personal preferences.
Personally, if I had a mouse that I enjoyed right now I would wait.
Hey Thomas ! Amazing review, thanks budy !
Advice me please: i hesitate to buy a G Pro X Superlight or Dav3.
I have two offers: G Pro x Superlight 70$ / Razer Dav3 150$
My hand -> 20cm - 10cm.
Cheers !
Honestly, both are S Tier mice so you can't go wrong with either one. They obviously vary a bit in execution. Mice are also personal preference and highly dependent on your preferences. With that said...
1. GPX for $70 is an excellent price and the only reason why I would pick it personally as it is currently four years old (tech wise) and we are at the point that it is showing its age as nothing has changed since it originally came out (As it has the same specs as the G Pro Wireless just lighter). Don't get me wrong it's got probably one of the best shapes (and by best, I mean safe) on the market. Where claw, fingertip, or palm will work (depending on hand size, but I think yours would work for all three). Side buttons are meh (mushy), primary clicks are very crisp and consistent (due to Logitech mechanical tensioning system) and probably one of the best on any mouse which is one reason why it is so popular. However, with them being mechanical (and just for some reason) they do suffer from double clicks more than others. I don't hear about this as much as I used to (as they have changed the switches inside since that time, but still not top stock compared to modern mice). PTFE are meh (as they are thin and wear out quickly). Weight is excellent. But my biggest complaint honestly is the sensor. Which is where most people are going to call me crazy which is fine. While I think it is one of the best on the market it is significantly behind Razer's sensor. The specs were already behind Razer's last tier (Razer Viper Ultimate and such line with the Focus+ sensor). But now with Razer's newest gen (Focus Pro, Viper V2 Pro, DAV3, Basilisk V3 Pro) that difference is even bigger making me not interested in any other mice. To wrap up the GPX, at this point I'm not even recommending anymore. As its time in the spotlight (to me) is over. As I think there are other "budget mice" (
@@ThomasMuehler thanks for the answer Thomas. I love your vidéo, thanks for all, cheers
@@ThomasMuehler ÉDIT: I tried the GPX but my hand is too big…
I just received my Dav3, I can't wait to try it.
Thank you for your precious advice!
@@cedriccolson7752 Too bad about the GPX. I still think the DAV3 is better. I'm excited for you! I'd love to hear your thoughts on the DAV3.
I never liked razer stuff this was the reason I gave them another chance and soo far I love DaV3 Pro Great mouse, very good in hand and very good in game... also my first light mouse :D
Oh man, that's awesome. I'm glad you gave them a second chance and they proved themselves. I currently think they are the best on the market internal wise. Shapes could improve but the DAV3 Pro is definitely solid and better than most.
how do I attach the mouse to my PC? dongle or with blue tooth?
great review! how does shape compares to pulsar xlite wireless v2 / logitech G703? thank you
I wish I could give you more information. But I don't have a Pulsar Xlite Wireless V2. I tried the G703 a long time ago but haven't recently so also can't share my thoughts on that. Boardzy did compare it to at least the Pulsar Xlite Wireless V2 so I would recommend checking out his review of it.
I went from pulsar xlite to dav3 pro and its just a simple swap. They are so similar in terms of ergo shape but the switches on dav3 pro feel way superior. So much so that my gridshot score went up from 113k to 117k. It came down to how much more comfortable and crispy the clicks feel imo, but also the dav3 pro just fits right. Thats not to say the xlite is bad, i loved using it for a year and was still playing at the top of my game. If money isnt a factor, i would highly recommend getting the dav3 pro as it does feel like the best current ergo mouse. Oh also the stock PTFE feet on dav3 pro kept up with my xlite glass skates as well across paracontrol, paraspeed codura and razer strider mousepads.
Oh man excellent rundown Jags. Super helpful.
Also, I appreciate you replying to so many comments and being right on the money for all of them.
@@ThomasMuehler You got it man, your video was very helpful as well!
@@JagsP95 I'm glad to hear it. Thanks for letting me know. Helpful in how I do my content going forward.
Should I get the Dav3 pro or wired? I'm not sure about the difference but I did see that the wired is cheaper
Really comes down to if you are fine with a wire or not. As the performance is going to be very similar. I believe the Wired version also has a better coating. There is also the new Hyperspeed variant V4 Hyperspeed? I think. Which has a slightly new shape and some improvements that may be worth getting instead. As it is wireless, while being cheaper, with slightly bumped specs (I think I'd double check as pulling from memory and haven't looked for a while).
DAV3 vs. VV2 Pro?
Aggressive CLAW grip + huge hands.
VV2 wins performance wise?
Hmmm... So spec wise they are exactly the same (except for DAV3 being 64 grams and the V2 Pro being 59 grams (on my units at least). I don't think that 5 gram difference will make a difference.
So, it really comes down to personal preference of shape. I think the DAV3 Pro has a safer shape for most people. As it is more conservative. But if you know you like the Viper Shape then the Viper is better. Personally, the Deathadder shape feels better in my hand and due to that I perform better with it. But again, that is from my own personal preference.
V2 Pro is made for claw/fingertip medium size mouse. Huge hands makes me highly concerned it will be too small.
Deathadder is medium to large which makes me think it will fit your large hand better. And is made for palm/claw.
I wish I could be more help here. But I honestly think you'll just need to buy one and see if you like that shape or not. As spec wise it is a wash. Meaning it comes down to shape and size.
@@ThomasMuehler Thanks for your detailed explanation.
Also what if VV2 Pro is 25$ cheaper than DA V3 in my country?
That makes VV2 a deal right?
@@Theone.fitness I definitely think that plays an important part. I’d go with the V2 Pro and then if I don’t like it, return it and try out the Deathadder V3. I’d love to hear which one you go with your thoughts on it.
Hey, great video! I'm upgrading from the g502 hero and am trying to find a good light wireless replacement. Would you recommend the deathadder v3 pro or the viper v2 pro? I would say my grip is similar to knuckle claw. My hand size is 17cm. Let me know your thoughts !
Tough question. As part of me thinks that if you enjoyed the ergonomic shape of the G502 that you'll enjoy the Deathadder V3 Pro as it is also an ergonomic shape. However, with 17 cm hand size I'm afraid it may be slightly too big. Along with your grip style favors the Viper V2 Pro (as that is made for claw/fingertip grip). Which isn't to say that you can't use that grip style with the Deathadder. Both of them performance wise are going to be equal as they have the same specs.
Differences:
Shape and size. Weight is essentially the same. Scroll wheel on Deathadder is a lot lighter to scroll with less defined clicks. Where the Viper is heavy with very defined clicks. I would say primary clicks are very similar as are the side buttons. Same with texture, feet, battery life, USB-C charging. Basically, same exact mouse just different shape.
Not sure if that was helpful or not. As so much of it is dependent on personal preference. If you could possible go to a store that has displays of them and you could feel them out that might be the most beneficial in deciding which is best for you. I would love to hear which one you decide to go with.
@ThomasMuehler thanks for your feedback man! So far I've ordered the deathadder, but I may end up ordering the viper v2 as well and just keep the one I like more
@@pearce9063 I think that is a solid plan of action. As that way you are left without any questions of which one is best for you.
So this vs the Viper ultimate which do you pick? I always loved the G Pro for its ergonomics, but I had too many that developed horrid double clicking and 2 even develop scroll wheel issues, so I switched to the Viper Ultimate. Not the best ergonomics, but I’ve gotten used to it. Really missing a good ergonomic mouse though, and I really did love my OG deathadder.
Personally, I much prefer the Deathadder V3 Pro.
- Better shape
- better specs all around (sensor, clicks, wireless, weight, coating, PTFE feet, battery life)
- 4,000 Hz polling.
- With the above that means it is more "future proof". As at this point we just unlocked a new "level" and will be at this point for a while before we see something truly groundbreaking again. Of course I could be wrong. But what I'm saying is the Focus Pro will likely be the best sensor for at least the next year or two (as the focus+ was the previous best when the Viper Ultimate released and just got replaced by this but is still the second best on the market). Gen 3 switches are great. The rest of the competition will have to catch up to 4,000 Hz polling (yes, I think it does make a difference. See this video for more info on that: (th-cam.com/video/jSjILdHzzEk/w-d-xo.html)). I'll also be releasing a video on the 4,000 Hz dongle. But it is where the gaming mouse industry will be going. Weight is arguably the ideal for most people which I thin is 60 grams. As I've found other people saying once it goes below 60 that it becomes more polarizing where some people like it and others don't. I also stop noticing a huge increase in performance. While I notice some improvement with my Starlight 12 at 45 grams the things I trade with this mouse (spec wise) isn't worth it.
Argument for the Viper Ultimate:
- Charging dock
- RGB
- Cheaper (assuming you find it on sale over retail).
- Isn't an ergo mouse so symmetrical. So if you love this shape then it would be a great choice. But then I'd argue the Viper V2 Pro is better.
- Perhaps for the average layman/gamer then this would be a better choice (as you could argue it has more features with charging dock, RGB, rubber sides, place to put the dongle).
Regardless, both of these mice are premium and fantastic choices. I just think the Deathadder V3 Pro is better if price is taken out of it (or we ignore sale prices or depending on sale prices).
I would love to hear which one you end up going with and your thoughts on it.
My main mouse atm is the UL 2 Cape Town at 47grams weight. I am very excited about this deathadder v3 pro, only worry I have is that if i will notice that 14grams extra in the hand..and also that rhe deathadder is slightly larger than finalmouse size small..
UL 2 Cape town was awesome. I'll be interested in hearing if you notice the extra weight or not. Deathadder is definitely quite a bit larger than the Cape Town.
Personally, while I do notice a weight difference it isn't as big of a difference as going from say 80 grams to 60 grams. Or 100 grams to 80 grams. As the performance gain I get at 45ish grams compared to 60 is negligible. Especially with the Deathadder V3 Pro as the balance is so good that it makes it feel a lot lighter than it actually is. Also, the shape just fits my hand so well that it equals out.
So, like I said I'm very interested in hearing your findings if you remember to get back to me.
Owww, I'd really like to buy this model, but as it's a launch the starting price will be very high. I really liked it because the shape is similar to the G PRO W and has optical switches, eliminating the chances of double clicks, something that happens a lot with the G PRO. Due to the price, and not being a professional player, I will end up buying the Viper Ultimete. I preferred the G Pro W format but I won't choose it because of the risk of double clicking. Buying a premium mouse and having this problem in a few months is surreal. Hugs from Brazil, congratulations for the analysis.
Yeah, it is definitely EXPENSIVE. Sale prices will eventually happen but probably not for a while.
Definitely a similar shape to the G Pro Wireless. I agree I much prefer optical switches for the same reason. I've always been lucky and never developed double clicks on any of my mechanical switches. I bought the Logitech G Pro Wireless (GPW) at launch and also got the Logitech G Pro X Superlight (GPX) at launch and both of them are still flawless without any issues. Just FYI, they did replace the switches on both the GPW and GPX (when the GPX came out) which have dramatically reduced double click issues. Where prior to that it was much higher than average on failure rate (about 15% of units from what I could tell). Now is likely closer to 5 - 7% which lines up more with the industry standard. But totally understand your reasoning and agree. Best to not go with something that could be high risk. As RMA process is painful regardless but sometimes near impossible depending on country and I don't know how it is in Brazil. Also, blows my mind that someone from Brazil is watching my videos. Which is awesome and I appreciate you and thanks for the wonderful rundown on your thoughts.
Once you get the Razer Viper Ultimate (RVU) I would love to hear your thoughts on it. Still one of my favorite mice. As it is excellent and I prefered it over the GPX/GPW. As it has better specs and performed better for me despite me preferring the GPW shape.
@@ThomasMuehler I really didn't know that the switches of both models had been changed, through this information I will rethink the option of the G PROW because I really liked the shape of it.
@@fernandogaribaldi4682 I would do a bit more research before purchasing. But I haven't seen nearly as many double click issues. But also haven't checked recently either so that may have changed.
I gotta say, I have both ( i've been on the gpx superlight for months) and the shape isn't as similar as you'd think. The hump placement is very different feeling. It feels much taller in the middle of the palm, and the taper that it has going towards the front meant I've had to change my grip more than i expected. The mouse overall feels MUCH bigger, despite the measurements being barely different. It feels lighter than the g pro even though it isn't due to the balance though. Just my .02
@@mikeytapscott4204 I appreciate you reaching out, giving a great rundown, and giving your two cents. Love reading these types of comments.
My apologizes. I did not explain that well. What I meant is that the GPX has a very safe shape that most individuals will really like. Where the Deathadder is the same. In the sense it is a safe shape that I think most will enjoy. Where the Viper shape is very polarizing and hit and miss with people. Not that they physically are similar feeling in shape. As they are quite different in that regard. As you are very right in your breakdown. I also agree it feels a lot larger as it is slightly longer, but more importantly a lot thicker (width wise). Also, agree the weight feels better due to the balancing. Amazing how that works (that sounds like sarcasm but I'm not being sarcastic. It is interesting to me how important balancing something really is).
so which you prefer? Viper 2 or Death3 ?
Personally, I prefer the DAV3 as I think the shape fits me better so I perform a bit better with it. Also, I like that my palm doesn't drag on my mouse mat which also helps with it being smoother and making me more accurate.
@@ThomasMuehler Thanks so much mate
@@ThomasMuehler by the way, may i ask you, shape-wise, how do you think Dav3 vs Roccat Kone air? I am still thining about whether should i get another ergo mouse or not as I am not big fans of ergo mouse but i am very ok with Kone air
@@Lawrenseliu I don't own the Kone Air but do have the Kone XP which I've heard is the same shape just with more buttons. Not sure how accurate that actually is.
With that said, I've found the Kone XP to have a lot more of a rounded shape that kind of folds into your palm. Where your thumb is kind of recessed into it and your second and third digit (with thumb being the first pinky being the fifth) fits very nicely on it. But then your fourth and fifth digit kind of need to wrap inward. Where the Deathadder is wider and more of a flatter shape. Where if you just put your hand down on a desk sums it up. As you don't have much of a place for your thumb (as in it doesn't wrap around like on the Kone but more just sits naturally, along with the rest of your four digits being spread out on it. Not sure if that was a good explanation or not.
@@ThomasMuehler Thanks so much for the reply. yeah, it makes sense to me. if you have a chance, please do try the kone air, I think it's one of the best ergo mice that I ever had so far. I will give it a go to the dav3 as well. thanks again!
Yesss the review i was waiting for
Well I hope it was worth it!
still trying to get one of those dang 4k dongles... I either miss an email while at work or don't see it till 10 mins later and then they are out of stock...
Dude, it is nuts how it is still an issue. I got super lucky one day and happened to be scrolling when I got the email so was able to snag one immediately. Hopefully, your luck will turn around soon.
My hand is about 19cm L and 9-9.5cm W. I use aggressive claw grip. I am currently using g pro and I am trying to decide between the gpx and deathadder v3 pro. Do you think the v3 pro will work with my grip style?
My hands are similar size. I'm not sure what you mean exactly by "aggressive claw grip" as grip tends to vary wildly from person to person. However, with that said yes I think the V3 Pro will work with your hand size and grip style. As when I do what I think "aggressive claw is" it feels quite comfortable. Palm is still on the mat, fingers are angled severely, get good contact with the hump/angle of the back of the mouse into the main section of my hand providing good support and I'm able to easily dominate the mouse for accurate aim.
Whatever one you choose I'd love to hear your thoughts. I think the V3 Pro is a better choice (assuming it fits your grip) as the tech is just better and I think justifies the price more. But at the end of the day you gotta go with what works the best for YOU.
@@ThomasMuehler Thank you for the replay. Yeah I'm most likely going to go for the V3 Pro then but I'm gonna do some more research to make my final decision
Hi! Nice review! I'm currently using an orochi V2 but i'm not too happy about the shell that occassionally creaks. I tried to upgrade to a gpx superlight but honestly it didn't feel better.. The weigh is lower yes but the sensor improvement is unnotisable and all, and i mean all, the clicks (and scroll wheel) are better on the orochi V2 imo.
So i wanted to try the new V2 pro or this DaV3 but i found the orochi shape really confortabile for my style of grip (i think its finger tip).
Do you think i will be ok with the similar shape of the V2 pro or you would recomend the daV3 regardless?
(I do have big hands but again a smaller mouse like the orochi feel perfect for my grip style)
The sensor in the Orochi V2 is technically just a smidge better than the GPX. Which is likely why you didn't feel a difference.
I'm not sure if you will like either of the shapes based on the Orochi V2. As both the V2 Pro and DAV3 have vastly different shapes. I think the V2 Pro is going to be closest as it is more of a medium/large mouse but with the flat top it allows you to use claw/fingertip which is what you are likely using on the Orochi V2. I think the Deathadder would be a vastly different shape being palm and large size. I think your best bet (if you can wait) is for the release of the Razer Viper Mini Ultimate. It was supposed to come out in 2022. But stuff happened so now it is sometime this year. We are hoping since it was supposed to be last year it will be in Quarter 1 and maybe Quarter 2. But still not exact date so nobody knows for sure. But that would give you the best of the best specs with a small mouse similar to the Orochi V2.
I think both the V2 Pro and DAV3 are S-Tier mice. The only thing separating them is shape. For the casual user I think DAV3 is better as that shape is safer. Whereas, the V2 Pro is more hit or miss. Which is the only reason why I rate it higher.
@@ThomasMuehlerThank you!
Just got the deathadder v3 pro hoping it’d finally be big enough that I could have my palm on it while playing. Sadly though no matter how far forward I hold it, it’s too small.
You must have some giant hands if you can't palm the Deathadder. I will say the Deathadder V2 Pro is a bit bigger than the V3. Especially, width wise. Outside of that I'm not sure of too many mice that are larger and would fit your hand. The Cooler Master MM720 may work for you. But outside of that I'm blanking on larger mice.
@@ThomasMuehler I got piano fingers lol. I'll have a look at them, thank you!
Hi Thomas, well-explained video as always. Should I buy DAV3 or Viper V2 pro? Which one is the best?
Spec wise they are exactly the same (except for weight as the DAV3 is 64 grams and the V2 Pro is 59). I personally don't think 5 grams is going to make a difference.
So, it really comes down to size and shape which is a personal preference type deal. Viper tends to be a medium size mouse built for fingertip/claw. Where DAV3 is a medium/large mouse built for palm/claw.
For the average individual I think the DAV3 is best. As it has a safer shape than the Viper which tends to be quite polarizing where people either love it or hate it.
I perform slightly better with the Deathadder as the shape is more ideal for my style than the Viper. But I've also mained a Viper regularly since the Viper Ultimate came out. I personally think my DAV3 clicks are better than my V2 Pro (at least on my models). I prefer the scroll wheel on my V2 Pro as it sits rather high and is too light (for my preference) on the DAV3 (but still excellent). Outside of that there aren't a whole lot of differences. No matter which one you choose they are both S Tier mice. I actually have both tied for the first as the BEST mice on the market. Followed by the Viper Ultimate. Then the GPX & Starlight 12. Then we go through a few others with the Deathadder V2 Pro being among them. As the new shape improvements, weight loss, and spec boost has revitalized the Deathadder.
Also, just in general I'm seeing a lot of reviews which seem to be saying they LOVE the DAV3 but a lot of people seemed upset with the V2 Pro. Which I don't really get seeing as they are practically the same mouse in a different shell.
But yeah, that's all the info I got. I would be interested in hearing which one you went with and your thoughts on it once you have some time to try it out.
@@ThomasMuehler If stocks are available in my friend's country I will buy DAV3 for sure otherwise viper v2 pro. Thanks to your perfect explanation I can choose the best mouse without worrying. Thank you so much
@@r3vnt_og I'm excited for you man! If you remember I'd love to hear your thoughts on whichever one you end up getting.
@@ThomasMuehler definitely, I will tell you 😀. Thank you
I'm in the market for new monitor and mouse would it be wise to save money and get the deathadder V2 pro instead of DAV3 Or would I be compromising too much?
TLDR: I think the DAV3 is worth the money. As spec wise it is the best on the market and what the competition needs to catch up to giving you more future proofing. Also, think the shape is more ideal than the previous DAV2 shape. However, if you go with the DAV2 you won’t be compromising a lot. As both options are excellent. But there is a reason why general consensus much prefers DAV3 over DAV2.
DAV3 has a slightly different shape than the DAV2 that I think most people will prefer. As they made it a little less wide making it easier to manipulate unless if you have large hands. If you have borderline large/medium-large hands I think the DAV3 shape will be better. Among some other shape changes that are minor but I think overall is an improvement.
Sensor is also improved going from the Focus+ to the Focus Pro. Both of those sensors are the best on the market so you can't go wrong with either one. The biggest difference that people may notice between the two is the adjustable lift-off and landing-distance has a lot more steps/granularity than the focus Pro which I think had 3 compared to like >15.
DAV3 is also capable of 4,000 Hz polling over 1,000 Hz. Again, a small upgrade. Think going from 144 Hz to 240 Hz. There is a difference, but you don't feel it as much as 60 - 144 Hz. Mostly the absence of it. But higher than 2,000 Hz can sometimes cause issues with frame drops due to some complication with other software on your computer.
I think the scroll wheel is better on the DAV3. But they are excellent on both. The DAV3 is lighter but just as accurate. Where the DAV2 it is stiffer.
No RGB with DAV3 but better overall battery life. Also, USB C charging which I greatly prefer over Micro-USB. But you can get a dock for the DAV2 which is nice.
DAV2 comes with Bluetooth and 2.4 GHz wireless. Where DAV3 only comes with 2.4 GHz.
Coating is similar but DAV2 has rubber sides. Which some prefer others don't.
Biggest difference is weight. DAV3 is ultralight where the DAV2 I quite a bit heavier. Personally, I think lighter is better for a lot of reasons.
I'd argue side buttons are better on the DAV3. But are also excellent on DAV2. Primary clicks are more clicky/tactile but a lot louder. As they are the "gen 3" over "gen 2". Technically, they are the same switch with tighter tolerances so will be the same. Shell difference is the biggest thing that changes click feel.
Basically, what I'm saying is that the differences between the DAV2 and DAV3 are incremental. But I'd say the DAV3 is better in every category making it where wholistically you get a noticeable upgrade. As the Viper V2 Pro and Deathadder V3 Pro are THE BEST spec wise mice on the market. They are the bar for the competition to chase after and beat. Shape is also a weak point for Razer and I think the DAV3 shape is superior to the DAV2.
Normally ergo mice aren‘t used at top level play? Where did you hear that? Of course they are. Look at the EC2 in CSGO tournaments. It‘s still one of the most used mice ALTHOUGH it is not light and has a cable. Shape is king. And ergo shapes are preferred by pro players.
CSGO is about the only game that Zowie is prominent in. And honestly, I would attribute a lot of that to them sticking with what they've always known. Don't get me wrong the shape of Zowie mice is legendary. But change your focus to newer Esport titles and the Zowie brand mostly disappears. But honestly is used more often than I would have guessed. As when I looked I was truly shocked at how many pros use it in CSGO.
Regardless, in general symmetrical mouse shapes are far more common in Pros than ergo shape mice. While there is a percentage of pros using ergo mice they are still a minority.
But yes, I stand corrected. More Pros use ergo mice than I thought. But I don't think that changes my comments much.
PSA: You can now pick this up for around about £80 in 2023 August. If you look for "Like New", the only difference is going to be an open box. Someone probably tried it and didn't like it. Not bad for a saving of £70.
Excellent recommendation.
i prefer the wired version because it's more than half the price, the build quality is twice as good, and the wire supports 8k polling rate. But getting the wireless one for 80 dollars is a pretty insane deal, and its making me kinda want to get it, despite its disadvantages
@@Caboaty I'm with you. The wired version definitely has a lot of positives. Especially, if you don't mind wires. But I've gotten to the point that I just can't not do wireless. As for me the disadvantages for this mouse is minimal and I find the wireless freedom to be an acceptable trade
@@Caboaty So I ended up return this. I’ve been using the Razer Naga since 2014 and try as I might, I use another mouse.
I’m now looking at the new Razer Naga. Looks amazing.
Best review on DAV3 I've seen so far!
I'm actually trying to decide between finalmouse starlight and dav3, waiting for dav3.. with my large hand, hope it will works better
@@warden8288 I'm glad you enjoyed it! Thanks for letting me know.
I would say hard choice. But it's not. The Deathadder V3 Pro is dramatically better in nearly every category. The Starlight 12 only wins in these categories:
1. Weight. Obviously 45 grams is better than 63 grams. Yes, you can feel the difference between 45 and 60 grams. But it is very mild. Much less than say going from 100 - 80 or 80 - 60. I'd also say the performance bump you get from the weight here is minor. So (random numbers) if I'm scoring 96 out of 100 at 60 grams I may get 97 or 98 at 45 grams. However, the sensor, wireless, firmware, and switches on the Deathadder V3 Pro are all so dramatically better that you'll score higher with it (99-100) despite it being heavier. Additionally, the Deathadder is more balanced weight wise. Compared to the Finalmouse that isn't as balanced but still better than most.
2. Build quality. Magnesium allow vs plastic is obviously going to be more structurally sound and last longer. But you're getting holes (which some people may or may not like). Personally, I love the magnesium alloy. But again, the trades just for that aren't worth it in my opinion. Also, a lot of the time due to the magnesium it doesn't flex as well meaning you get more abnormalities and problems with the shell as it doesn't fit together as perfectly. As even with a minor abnormality it will through things off as it won't "bend" into place.
3. Colors are unique.
4. Limited edition.
5. Two sizes Small/Medium where I'd argue the Deathadder V3 is now medium/large.
6. Likely better battery life. As I've never seen better battery.
Deathadder wins in these:
1. Sensor is dramatically better.
2. Wireless is dramatically better. Performs better at 1,000 Hz and can go up to 4,000 Hz (which does make a difference by making response time even lower, despite being one of the fastest on the market anyways, along with a lot smoother which also increases your accuracy).
3. Talked about the balance already.
4. Not limited edition so you can get it at any time. Also, means if something goes wrong with it that it is easier to replace.
5. Better build quality. I've bought a Finalmouse on every drop since the Original Ultralight. None of the Ultralights stayed on my desk for too long as while they were unique and paved the way for other companies I'm always left disappointed with overall build quality as they never feel premium. With the Starlight's every single one of them has had some sort of QA issue. Almost all minor. But for being limited and $189 retail simple unacceptable. Honestly, I'll probably have to go through the RMA process for my Poseidon as the scroll wheel encoder doesn't work right. I'm supposed to be getting the newest Starlight tomorrow which I'm hoping is flawless. But highly doubt it.
6. Clicks feel sooo much better. All my starlight's come across as slightly mushy and unsatisfying primary clicks.
7. Scroll wheel is night/day better. They did change this with the TenZ Starlight so this may change once I try that one out.
8. Razer is a more respectable company. Continue to also push the boundary. Have the best specs out of any other mice on the market. Also, if you have an issue they are quick to respond. Or at least when I've tried.
Could go either way:
1. Shape. Both of the shapes to me are some of the best on the market. I've really enjoy Finalmouses shape. But think this new Deathadder shape is also excellent. I can't really give a win to one or the other as it really comes down to personal preference.
2. PTFE are great on both. I think I'd give a slight edge to the Deathadder though.
3. Side buttons on both are excellent.
I probably missed some stuff. But I think I got all the main points. Both are great mice. As I still have my Starlights in the top 5 best mice ever. But have a slew of problems. Where my Razer mice don't really have problems and it really just comes down to preference. For example not everybody likes the way the optical switches feel (but continue to get better and better with each new gen) but nothing is physically wrong with them (except the Gen1 did have some issues). Anyways, I'd love to hear which one you go with and your thoughts on it once you get it in and try it out.
@@ThomasMuehler I agree with every single word :D
I have 2 finalmouse starlights medium.. I had to RMA both because of the scroll wheel, but I fixed the shell issues on both by myself, but in general, I use a fingertip grip and I feel hand strain with my starlights over time, so yeah.. ordered my razer a week ago and it's still in 'process' :)
@@warden8288 I am excited for you! I'd love to get your two cents when you get it in and try it out. Especially, since you've dealt with Finalmouse and understand that point of view well.
Hey Thomas, I have a really desperate question to ask. Ok so, Ive been using a viper ultimate for around 4 months already and its been a great mouse. However theres a problem, after around 4 hours of gaming, my hands gets all tired. Im really considerating the deathadder v3 pro as its an ergo mouse, should i get it?
That completely depends on how much expendable income you have. The Deathadder V3 Pro (DAV3) is an excellent mouse. I currently have the DAV3 and Viper V2 Pro tied for first place on the best mice on the market. And if I'm being fully honest no other mouse is really interesting to me right now as they all have the same older specs with shapes I've seen before making me apathetic about them. I think we previously discussed how there is a small (but to me noticeable) spec bump between the Razer Viper Ultimate (RVU) and the Viper V2 Pro (V2 Pro) and DAV3. I'm starting to see both the V2 Pro and DAV3 going on sale occasionally as well. So, I don't think you'd go wrong buying it (assuming you enjoy the shape and size). As they are both the future of gaming mice and where the market will be going (spec wise). But shape, size, and weight still play a significant role in mice so assuming the DAV3 checks all those boxes then yes. If you could switch up your aim or add some grip tape or something that would allow you to continue to use the RVU then I'd stick with that. Before you buy I would definitely try and go to a store and check out the shape.
@@ThomasMuehler yea man, I bought the DAV3 its super comfy and its just a rvu but ergo. I found myself playing long hours without getting tired. I will still switch between my rvu and dav3 tho. (both are extremely expensive)
@@Itz_notjer I’m glad you’re enjoying it. I know I certainly do. I was playing some Call of Duty earlier today with it and just really enjoying myself.
@@ThomasMuehler haha yes
Great detailed review! now where to pull that $150 budget from? haha
Right?! I feel ya. All these new mice from Razer are making my pocket book hurt.
Will this be okay for finger grips?
It is technically made for Palm/Claw grip. But the thing about grip style/mice is that I think there is a lot of inconsistency of what those terms actually mean as grip style tends to be pretty unique. So depending on hand size and your own unique grip style fingertip grip may work. But it may not. I think I tend to do a fingertip/claw hybrid grip thing. So, I want to say yes. But again, a lot of inconsistency in what these terms mean for people. I'd recommend going to Best Buy where you could try the shape and see if it works for you or not. If you must buy you could try the Deathadder V3 Wired first then if you enjoy it and can't stand the wire return/exchange it for the V3 Pro
I got the mouse yesterday and I absolutely love it but there is one thing there keeps bugging me. The left mouse button feels like I can press it more down than it should and sometimes I can reallly feel that, is that normal or should I try getting an RMA?
Hmm, I want to say that isn't normal. I don't fully understand what you're saying which is why I'm not fully confident. Honestly, due to price and this being early life, I'd go back to where you bought it, say it is defective and exchange it out for a new model. Over trying to RMA it.
Yeah if its only one mouse button, its probably a defect. Its called either post travel or pre travel, depending on of it happens before or after the click. You should try replacing it. If it happens to be that thats just how the mouse is, maybe try clicking on a different part of the button. The farther on the front you click, the more flex it will have, so the more travel you will feel.
@@JaimeRosario884 Great points. If it is pre-travel/post-travel he is talking about that could be within the realm of acceptable (from an RMA perspective). But I'd still argue that if one button feels dramatically different than the other than I still think that is a defect. As this mouse (due to price point and it being a premium mouse) shouldn't have much if any variability between left and right click feel wise.
I bought the wired version when it was on sale at $55 and I'm hoping I can get used to it soon since I'm coming from a way more heavier deathadder elite
I think that was a solid buy! I definitely think you'll get used to it. Assuming you enjoy the new shape. As the weight you'll definitely acclimate to and appreciate.
@Thomas Muehler The clicks are definitely amazing compared to my old mouse and I like the new features as well, but there are some guns that I miss my shots with a lot when on my older mouse I would hit most of my shots. Maybe I should lower my sens or should I just give it more time? It's still like my 2nd day using it btw lol.
@@Blue-jn1ph Most people will tell you that with a lighter mouse you’ll want to lower your sens because due to it being lighter it takes less force to move the same amount of distance. I certainly lowered mine when I first got an ultralight mouse. However, now I’d say that if you aren’t driving yourself crazy that sticking to the same sens may take a little longer to get used to. But will be worth it in the long run. Especially, if you are using higher Hz (4,000/8,000) as fully saturating the bus takes a lot of movement and the lower your DPI the harder that is so you see less benefits. Studies have shown that 1600 DPI tends to be the minimum you want to go with. But if you aren’t on a 2k/4k screen that can be too hard to deal with. So, bascially that was me going on a rant of if you want the best performance do that. If you aren’t looking to min/max then try a lower sens and if you play better either keep it that way or slowly increase back up. With that last option probably being the best with the least amount of time dedicated to it. unless if you acclimate to things fast.
@Thomas Muehler I think I'll give it around 1 month with the same sens I have rn. If I still can't get acclimated, then I'll just have to lower my sens. I play on 800 dpi on a 1440p 144hz monitor just to let you know.
@@Blue-jn1ph That sounds like a solid plan!
So God has finally answered my prayers for a Superlight XL.
It's arriving in 2 days, wedding bells 🔔
Oh heck yeah dude I'm excited for you! I would love to hear your thoughts on it once you get it in and try it out.
Also, really appreciate the support!
Nice vid bro !
I'm glad you liked it!
I am 1-3-1 fingertip viper ultimate user. Please help me decide between v2 pro vs this new death adder
The Viper V2 Pro is going to have the same shape as the Viper Ultimate, just no rubber sides, the side buttons are going to be better, the clicks are slightly more crisp/loud, it is lighter, and obviously you get slightly better performance. So, if the Viper shape is ideal for you then I'd stick with it. Mostly made for Claw/Fingertip.
The Deathadder is going to have the same exact internals, nearly the same weight, and equal in every other way other than having a ergonomic shape. It's going to be a larger mouse and made mostly for palm/claw. Coating is the shame for both (unless if they've updated it since the first batch).
I'm not sure if that was all that helpful. Do you have more specific questions? As the blanket statement one is harder to answer.
i ordered both the GPro superlight and the death adder v3 so i could get a feel of them both. the g pro superlight arrived earlier it feels kind of weird to use, maybe its because my hands are too big but im hoping the death adder v3 with surprise me with a more comfortable feeling
That's unfortunate that the GPX hasn't lived up to expectation for you. If you've got a large hand and depending on your grip style that could definitely be the case. I am very much looking forward to your findings of the Deathadder V3 Pro. As it seems like that will be the better fit (as it is a large mouse).
Which mouse did u go with?
@@Cooliewhistles I ended up going with the Deathadder and returned the GPro superlight. The deathadder feels way more comfortable for my bigger hands.
can you use it properly without using synapse software(bloatware)?
It does not require Synapse to work. Also, can use Synapse with a guest account so don't need to sign up to make changes. However, firmware updates and other settings can only be accessed through the software. If you have a throw away computer it may be worth downloading on there instead of the main PC. As I've found that even if the software isn't running there are background tasks of it in task manager. Which is frustrating.
@@ThomasMuehler thank you for quick reply...yes thats a problem, with superlight i feel like if i don't install any software and use the mouse as is (800dpi) it feels a lot smoother and no tracking issues(i have 3 superlights)
@@pav1u I would agree with you. I absolutely abhor Logitech's software. Every time I use it, I cry inside. I also find that it tends to make my settings incorrect on my mouse and it feels much worse than when I don't have it open.
So is there any info about LOD or changing the LOD? I know there can be problems if you change mouse feets
LOD is the best out of any mouse. As it is highly adjustable in the software. I think I go through it in my Razer Viper Ultimate vs Razer Viper V2 Pro comparison. Where you can literally have it be high, low, medium or some type of in-between. There are like 10 - 20 steps or something (I haven't looked in a while and am not at home to check).
I would assume with the tech they have that it would also auto adjust with changing the feet. But I only use stock feet and haven't swapped it out so I don't know. So that would be a better question for google.
Getting mine tomorrow, this should be close to end game for me with my Varmilo keyboard with rose switches and Fidelio X2HR, I have the soundblaster external sound card to that, tell me if you know anything better 😁
I'm excited for you man!
As for Varmilo and Rose switches I have to admit I've never heard of them. Mind sharing your thoughts?
As for the Fidelio X2HR. Heard great things about those. Haven't tried them myself. I'd stick with them. As headphones really are personal preference and if you enjoy them there is no reason to change/upgrade. As the more headsets/headphones I try the more I realize that spending more money does not always mean better quality and you run into diminishing returns quickly. If you have one that you like just stick to it. Don't keep looking as really there is no point. As you just end up being like me where you have different headphones for different things or based on the mood of the day which is a waste of money. For example I use the monitoring headphones for mixing (Audio Technica ATH-M50x or Sennheiser IE500 Pro - which I don't recommend), for music Sennheiser Hd650, Hifiman Ananda, and Hifiman He400i, and then Corsair HS80 Wired for competitive gaming or Logitech G735 for more leisure gaming. I also use the G735 and Apple AirPods Max for TV/Movies. But basically, that is a bunch of money that is wasted and completely overkill. As honestly my Sennheiser HD650 or Hifiman Ananda would be excellent all arounders. Add that to a bluetooth 3.5mm extender and you've got everything covered for dramatically less and 95% of the quality.
Heard good things about Soundblaster as well. I had an internal sound card of theirs for a long time and I really enjoyed it. Don't see a reason to upgrade that either. As that product will easily cover your headphones. I'm also not convinced more expensive soundcards are worth it. As these days we have made dramatic improvements in that tech which lead to the same diminishing returns quickly.
All in all sounds like you've got a fantastic setup! Hope you enjoy it.
@@ThomasMuehler Thanks for the good answers both here and my other comment regarding LOD, really helpfull mate. Im 100% a gamer so the 55 gram resistans in the electronic rose switches that Varmilo have is really nice, I don't press anything while Im gaming by accident and the sound is not a big thing either cuz there is nothing moving in the switch just the switch when it release so nothing else. And it's PBT plastic as well so it will last a very long time, had no trouble with it at all and I love it. I think you might be right about the soundcard as well cuz that's my feeling as well so. But Im so excited for tomorrow when I get the V3 pro tbh. You get a new subscriber here btw and thanks for some great videos mate.
@@ThomasMuehler Btw I forgot, have you noticed any difference at all between 1K hz and 4K while gaming? Really interested
Sounds like you've got it well thought out. Agree with slightly stiffer clicks it helps a lot with avoiding accidental clicks. PBT is great. Definitely agree it shouldn't be going anywhere anytime soon.
Also, welcome to the family. I'm very happy you are here. I'll keep trying to bring the heat in regards to videos. If you have any other questions just let me know.
As for the difference between 1,000 Hz and 4,000 Hz. Yes, I do notice a difference while gaming. It reduces latency which translates to more up to date cursor position (meaning better accuracy due to that) along with feeling smoother and slightly more attached to your brain all around. Basically, if you have gone from 60 Hz to 144 Hz it is very similar. As it just smooths things out and makes things more accurate. I'd place it as a nice upgrade, but certainly not NEEDED. More of a quality of life upgrade. And for $30 justifiable (especially, since you play games so much. Noticed even more with FPS). But if you can get it with the sale code 4000Hz for $15 absolutely worth it (as it is hard to find in stock). But some may say they don't feel anything and is pointless.. As if you aren't receptive to that you may not feel it. But if you know what you are looking for you'll notice it. Objectively tested with watching my reaction times in aim trainers, scores, and following my mice trail on the desktop. I notice it more when I use it for a while and then change to 1,000 Hz I can feel the lack of it. Kind of like going from 240 Hz to 144 Hz. Not as big of a bump as 60 - 144Hz but still noticeable if you know what you are looking for.
@@ThomasMuehler thanks for the answer I will for sure buy and try it out nexth month then cuz I for sure feel difference from 144 Hz to 240 Hz so I should notice it then according to what you have told me mate 😁
With gaming mice what does the IPS and acceleration mean? I have a bunch of mice but never knew why these are significant.
IPS = Inches Per Second. Which are how many inches per second it can go with accuracy. So, this can move 750 inches in a second with 99.6% accuracy. Acceleration is just simply the amount of G-Forces that a sensor can be under and continue to stay accurate as well. We have gotten to the point they aren't that significant as we are past where humans can perform. But your mouse can still be put under a good amount of pressure with quick flicks and stuff like that. So they aren't completely useless. The higher the spec does mean more accuracy though.
@@ThomasMuehler thank you. This is info I never really see many reviewers talk about and it does bring up a good point of it being more accurate than other mice at least on paper for those specs.
@@iJansport Most reviewers completely skip over the specs. Which I'm not a fan of. Granted a lot of mice have practically the same specs so they aren't necessarily worth going over. But I do find that highly important personally so tend to try and mention them.
should i buy the viper v2 or the deathadder v3 pro if i have slightly larger hands and use a claw grip?
Honestly, it really comes down to personal preference. The V2 Pro is made for claw and fingertip. The Deathadder (DA)for Palm and Claw. I would say both are close to being around the same size length wise. But the difference is the DA is a right handed ergo which fills out your palm making it bigger whereas the Viper V2 Pro is symmetrical with no hump at all and purposefully doesn’t fill out in your hand. What mouse are you currently using? Or what mice have you tried that you could think of that you could relate to those two mice?
Spec wise they will both be the same. As with coating and PTFE.
@@ThomasMuehler i have tried the viper ultimate deathadder v2 and g pro wireless
@@ThomasMuehler i don’t rly like the g pro wireless shape as it’s a bit too narrow and i often find myself having to squeeze the sides of the mouse to get a comfortable grip
@@teyyouyang9188 the viper ultimate and viper v2 are the same shape. So if you loved that shape then go that way. The deathadder does have a slightly different shape. But is the same enough that if you enjoyed it then go that way. I will say that the new deathadder shape is a bit thinner width wise which may be a thing for you just because of what you said about the g pro I thought I’d mention that.
@@ThomasMuehler alright thanks so much!
Why is his light so bright on his face ?
I honestly have no idea what you're talking about. The light doesn't look that bright on my face on any of my screens.
@@ThomasMuehler Are you blind ? You face is overexposed in the video intentionally crazy.
@@phillipivey4833 Maybe I am blind. I am definitely no expert. However, on all of my calibrated displays, it looks fine to me. Am I well lit. Yes. Am I overexposed? Perhaps a little, but I’d still say no. Just on the brighter end of the spectrum. But not to the degree that you’re making it seem. Ill make sure to try and improve that on the next video. Are you sure your monitor isn’t messed up?
Thomas Muehler, have you eaten today?
I have not... what am I walking into?
I buy the superlight and then the Viper V2 get announced 3 days later...and now this! Lol my luck I guess
You're still within top 1% best mice lel
I feel you. Lol. The pain of always trying to have the latest and greatest is an ever revolving door. Thankfully with mice it hasn't been rotating too fast.
As Jags said you are still in the top 1% best mice. As I still rank the Superlight just below the new Razer mice. I will say you may want to hold off unless you are dead set on it being perfect for you. As I have a feeling Razer isn't done yet. They have at least one more mouse releasing this year (Razer Viper Mini Ultimate - unsure what the actual name will be). And may have others dropping (as I have no clue).
Also, as long as you aren't having problems with the Superlight you don't NEED to upgrade. While the new specs on the Viper and Deathadder are a step forward. Unless if you have money to burn and want the best of the best I don't suggest upgrading. As we are at the point of diminishing returns. Will you see an improvement? Probably (as if you are more of an average player you may not). Unless if you can return the Superlight (assuming you didn't get it on sale) and just really don't want it. But yeah, the justification to upgrade at this point is hard. Where if you were buying new is easier.
Also, I apologize that comment above is rough in format and sentence structure. But I'm too lazy to improve it.
@@ThomasMuehler Lol thanks for the reply! I will probably hold off because my past experience with Razer hasn't been too good. Of the 5 Razer mice I've gotten in the past, 3 had QC issues, and all of them had click issues where the mouse buttons or scroll wheel click would travel a lot before registering a click (pre travel delay). The superlight felt much more premium from that IMO, but from what I've heard the QC of the new Razer mice is much better than of the old ones. I'm a content creator and a high level FPS gamer, so undoubtedly the increase of specs from the Superlight to the DEv3 would affect me if it affects you, but personally I have never felt a difference in accuracy between the viper ultimate v1, the viper 8KHz, and the superlight. That's just me though lol. Anyways, great review, and keep up the good work! :)
@@Minurz Excellent rundown and very much appreciated.
Recently I've been hearing a lot about Razer pre-travel which I haven't personally experienced on any of my units. But I'm seeing a theme here so I'm beginning to wonder if I just got lucky or if those folk are just unlucky. I'm still undecided. I also think this is partly why they keep having tighter and tighter tolerances with the optical switches (now on V3). I'm still a believer that Logitech is the best at primary clicks out of anyone. Their Mechanical Tensioning System is excellent.
Razer's QA since the Viper Ultimate came out has really improved and continues to improve (at least for mice) from my standpoint (as a content creator and my comment section/research/personal). But you can still get a lemon. And I'm not sure when you last tried Razer but if it has been recently (and on their up to date mice) then you may just be cursed or I may just be blessed, lol. But you gotta do what you gotta do.
I definitely felt a mild difference between the Focus+ and the HERO sensor. Which is even more noticeable now with the Focus Pro. Plus add that to the 4,000 Hz and then for sure. But again, we all vary on this and I still hold the belief that "I'm full of crap and this is placebo" as being a valid option for people. I think objectively it has been proven by others (who have the tools to measure). But again, how much does this translate to real world? Hard to answer. We are definitely at the point of diminishing returns no matter what though. But I'd worry that if you really like the Logitech, have had problems with Razer in the past, along with not feeling a difference before that it just doesn't seem like a good option unless if you just HAVE to try it out. As again, certainly not needed.
However, with all that said, if you end up trying it out I would LOVE to get your opinions good or bad.
@@ThomasMuehler Absolutely will do that! If their hyperpolling dongle ever comes back in stock I may very well try the new deathadder or viper for myself!
is it better than Lamzu Atlantis?
Spec wise, yes it is better. Arguably you may not be able to tell depending on skill level and the other peripherals you have. Outside of that is personal preference. Since I haven't tried it myself I can't give you my thoughts on the comparison. But the 3395 sensor is no slouch and beats nearly all other sensors (except for Razer's newest ones as Razer was using I think the 3399 in their previous mice - Razer Viper Ultimate, etc. which I believe is a variant of the 3395 which they no longer have exclusivity with).
Hey guys im looking to upgrade to a new mouse today i own the ec-1a i have rather large hands is this the best choice for me?
I would say yes. I think you'll like this a lot. As shape is going to be similar with a MASSIVE increase in specs. That is assuming you like the EC-1A shape.
If you end up picking it up I would love to hear your thoughts on it especially in comparison to the EC-1A.
would it be good with 17 cm and 9-10 width? palm grip player
It's a bit smaller than the Deathadder V3 Pro. So, I want to say yes. That's only about 2cm-ish smaller than my own hand.
Do I need to install synapse to benefit from motion sync?
I don't believe so.
I got v2 hyperspeed - paid only 70$ for an open box, 58 grams, g-motion. Used to have g-pro and g-prox: Razer is way ahead of Logitech or Steelseries, just because of how accurate new-gen sensors are, also I had problems with g-prox (white), surface after 1 month of usage started changing color to nasty yellow and I couldn't get rid of it, even with nail polish. Razer's same (white) version doesn't have this problem.
Loved the rundown. Appreciate you taking the time to share. I agree about their sensors. They are incredible and feel so precise. Interesting to note about the white color, get a lot of questions about that so I'll share your answer with them.
@@ThomasMuehler appreciate it sir!
Yes I was shocked my self, not sure if others have a similar problem, I found on TH-cam other two people who had a similar issue, looks like some of g-prox has a lemon paint coating on them.
Is the coating on the white and black versions different?
Great question. I have no idea as I haven't felt the black coating.
@@ThomasMuehler I have the black one and it's smooth. Looking at videos of the white one it seems a little textured which I prefer.
@@AbrarShafi That is very interesting. Thanks for sharing. I agree a bit of texture is preferred. That kind of makes sense as I think there is a 1 gram difference between the black and white version. Which may indicate a bit more grip for the white. On the previous generation (Razer Viper Ultimate) there was a 4 gram difference and the way it felt was very noticeable.
g pro or this?
Mice are personal preference so what is best for ME may not be best for YOU. Both of these mice are excellent and you can't go wrong with either.
With that said, my personal choice easily goes to the Deathadder V3 Pro. GPX is just "outdated" at this point. That doesn't mean it isn't good and I think "outdated" is a strong word as it is still ahead of like 95% of mice on the market. Just that if I'm buying a new mouse for retail ($150 for DAV3 and $160 for GPX) I'd go for the Deathadder V3 Pro as it has the best specs out of any mouse on the market by some margin. Having the best sensor, wireless, clicks (latency wise and are immune to double clicks without debounce delay), PTFE feet, 4,000 Hz polling (with dongle that ISN'T included) and firmware. I haven't measured battery life but they are excellent on both. Weight is going to be a wash as they are both around 63ish grams. But the balancing on the DAV3 is better than the GPX making it feel lighter in my opinion. Most people would say coating would go to GPX. But I believe the DAV3 comes with grips (which I don't use or pay to much attention to which is why I'm blanking). Maybe the GPX does as well at this point (I don't think it launched with them). Most would say click feel would go to GPX due to their mechanical tensioning system and using mechanical switches. But I think the DAV3 clicks are better personally. Side clicks easily go to the DAV3. Scroll wheel is light on the DAV3 and sits pretty high. But is accurate. Not my favorite but still excellent as it performs well just isn't my cup of tea. The GPX is similar but a bit more stiff. But I'll take either one personally. Shape is going to be personal opinion but are excellent for either one. With the Deathadder being a right handed large/medium ergo mouse best for palm/claw. Where the GPX is a medium symmetrical mouse best for palm/claw. Depending on how good/hardcore you are about gaming (meaning if you want the absolute best performance no matter the cost) then DAV3. But if you can find the GPX on sale for a lot less money (I'm talking about $100 or less) then I'd go with it. As you're getting 90% of the performance for a lot less. Or if you are more of a casual gamer you may not feel the increase in specs meaning going cheaper is better. I think the biggest difference here will come down to shape. Which you really don't know if you like or not unless if you try them or have tried other mice so you know what you like/dislike.
A lot of reviewers will say that specs DON'T matter. And for a while I agreed as all the specs were so close to each other for mice that it didn't matter. As they were all using essentially the same sensor and specs. But with Razer's newest refresh of specs that has changed where there is an actual difference in performance assuming you are at a level (and have the other gear such as monitors and GPU) to feel it (as a higher refresh rate and higher frames will help). As we are into diminishing returns at this point where while there is a difference it may not be worth the price increase depending on sale price, skill level, and/or where you are at as a consumer. I still feel a difference even on low-end gear (such as my work PC that is a basic laptop at 60 Hz) but I also know what I'm looking for.
I'd love to hear which one you go with and your thoughts on it once you've tried it out.
@@ThomasMuehler jesus christ, what an essay but anyways thank you so much for sharing ur opinion
@@ThomasMuehler just out of curiosity question, why most of the professional players use g pro superlight, do u you know anything about it?
@@concerphero2 Great question. Obviously, most of this is speculation from me but I think I'm pretty close to the mark. Stick with me as it takes a bit to build up before I get to the point. Also, you asked for this book. lol.
1. We are in 2016, Logitech just released the G900 for $150 which is the first gaming mouse with truly next level wireless that allowed it to perform similar or better than wired. This started their rise to stardom as over the next two years they slowly shifted the belief that wireless wasn't viable for gaming. Now we are in 2018, it has been proven that wireless mice are now just as good as wired, but are still a bit heavy and battery life holds it back. Now we are in 2018 and the G Pro Wireless (GPW) just hit shelves. It is lightweight at 80 grams, comes in a great shape, and has the new HERO Sensor. This new sensor is superior to the 3360 (which was the best sensor at that time) by providing exceptional tracking along with great battery life taking away ALL the negatives of wireless. The only negative is the $150 price point (and technically higher than average click failure rate, but that is another subject). But that price was easy to justify at that time as it was just so far ahead of the competition.
2. I don't remember the timeline exactly and I'm not going to look but I want to say 6 months later Razer released the Razer Viper Ultimate (RVU) which would be the main competition to the GPW going forward. Technically it was superior to the GPW in almost every way (better sensor, wireless, optical switches, 100% PTFE feet, etc.). The problem is it came out six months after the GPW and came with not nearly as good of shape. As arguably the GPW is one of the best shaped mice on the market (even now).
3. Fast forward about three years and the competition is just now catching up. Meaning during that time there hasn't been any real competition to dethrone either the GPW or Razer Viper Ultimate. Both of which have been dominating the wireless scene and been the mice to beat constantly being mentioned by reviewers, pros gamers, and friends. No one has any doubts about wireless limiting performance. Even now in 2022 they hold the top spots only being taken over by their own creations. With the GPW being overtaken by the G Pro X Superlight (GPX) which was essentially a weight loss mod. Now we are back into the current time in 2022 and Razer furthered the distance of being technically superior by a noticeable margin with the Viper V2 Pro and Deathadder V3 Pro as they've gotten not only a weight loss mod but also even better specs all around. Making them easily the winner spec wise. But again, the Viper continues to have a poor shape holding it back. But the Deathadder has been a popular shape since 2013 but held back by old school beliefs (weight, inferior clicks) but that isn't the case any longer. Creating a new era that we are just now walking into. It will be interesting to see how Logitech responds. With the G502X now having optical-mechanical switches it will be interesting to see if a new GPX releases being even lighter weight or just with updated switches. But the competition is now more fierce as wireless from other companies (Glorious, Finalmouse, Roccat, etc.) and sensors has caught up with Logitech. So now their once great lead tech wise is working against them. As they are selling at lower price points ($80 - $100) making a lot of people see the $150 - $160 price point seem Ludacris. Even though it has been a staple since 2016. So honestly, them still being that price is impressive. But old tech should be cheaper. So really the GPX is overpriced while Viper V2 Pro and Deathadder V3 Pro should be $150. But that's another conversation.
4. The GPX is essentially using the same tech as in 2018 but the HERO sensor allows the firmware to be tweaked to unlock more potential. Which is why it first started at I think 12,000 DPI, then 20,000, and now 26,000. This also means the GPW and GPX continue to get updates making it feel "new" again.
5. Logitech spends a stupid amount of money on marketing and sponsoring pro teams.
If we take all of the points above and slam that together we get the answer to your question. 1. Logitech was the first to the game with an S-Tier wireless gaming mouse and held that lead for a minimum of six months (if we go off the RVU) or more realistically 2 - 4 YEARS and arguably ongoing (as the only two real options were Razer or Logitech until just recently). 2. Even after a technically superior mouse came out they held the lead as their shape, click feel, and coating remained superior as it is "safer" meaning more people enjoy it. For example chocolate or vanilla tend to be flavors nearly everyone likes. Where say mint or maple may not be. 3. No competition has dethroned it and they come out with a refresh (GPX) that makes a banger of a mouse even better by making it lighter (again before anyone else). 4. People who enjoy that shape feel well served as their sensor continues to improve without them needing to buy a completely new mouse. Additionally, the only superior sensor (this is arguable but not the point) is the Focus+ which is only in Razer mice or as of late the Focus Pro. Which is now changing. But focusing back up. As who doesn't love free updates?! 5. Perhaps even more important than anything else. Is Logitech sponsors a TON of pro teams. Meaning that they are forced to use Logitech peripherals. People incorrectly believe that because a Pro uses something that it must be better than everything else. Over the more likely thing of A. Sponsors forcing them to use a product. B. Pros are a superstitious lot and once they find something they like they tend to not like to change even when shown better methods as that means learning something new/changing something. C. Usually know very little about the tech. Just how they perform with it. Logitech has also spent a lot of marketing making the GPX be shown to gamers. It is also available in almost every store I know of that carries gaming peripherals making it easy to buy. Last, their marketing literally says Pros use it and have won tournaments with it which is an easy and compelling argument as if I've got 100 mice to chose from but I know this one performs at the top of the level makes it easy to choose. Add that to the safe shape and top-tier specs and why try anything else? Razer I don't think has sponsored Pros like Logitech has (but could be wrong about that).
So, there you have it. My reasons why I think the GPX is so popular. Certainly well deserved. I think if Razer would have developed a better shape (and sponsored more teams and did more marketing) that you'd see a bigger split. But to say the RVU isn't a massively popular mouse is incorrect so do they really need to do that? As a ton of pros and top level gamers use it. But the shape holds it back severely.
@@ThomasMuehler ohhh now I get it, thank you so much again for the info, and when I get the deathadder v3, I will definitely share my thoughts about it! and also of course I will consider subscribing ur channel
cant justify paying 6 times more than i paid for my viper mini for this..
That's 100% fair. You gotta do what is best for you. As much as I like the Viper Mini I hate that sensor with a passion. Feels incredibly loose and trashy to me. I also have a HARD time dealing with wires these days. I've gotten to accustomed to wireless (in regards to mice). Still prefer a lot of other things being wired though.
@@ThomasMuehler Well the viper mini sensor feels good to me haha i guess its because ive never had a proper gaming mouse before it, i might try a wireless mouse thats better than the Viper Mini if you have any suggestion thats not gonna make me broke lol
@@kondratov8269 I apologize, I got a bit too colorful with my language. The Viper Mini is definitely a proper gaming mouse and there are a TON of others that are far far worse.
The sensor on the Mini is still an upper end sensor. The biggest flaw with it is just the high LOD and that it is a "budget" sensor so you don't get quite as good of accuracy with it. But there are a mountain of people who would fight me tooth and nail that at this point all sensors feel the same and that I'm full of crap. Obviously, I disagree with that not only my own personal subjective findings but also from data that other people have shared and what I know about sensors. But that is beside the point.
The main point is the Viper Mini has a "flawless" sensor in it and the performance gain you would see going to a nicer sensor (depending on skill level) may not be all the noticeable and changing shape could NEGATIVELY impact you where you perform worse despite a mild bump in specs.
So, I wouldn't upgrade for sensor alone. As the Viper Mini really nails everything else (great price, performance for price is fantastic, great PTFE, great shape, great clicks, great side buttons, feels good, etc.) that are hard to find on other mice. I still rank the Mini as one of the best mice on the market. As outside of a "budget" sensor they nailed it.
They will be coming out with a Razer Viper Mini Wireless with premium specs and honestly, if you aren't having any issues with the Mini I'd stick with it and start saving now so when that releases (likely for $150) you can snag it and upgrade.
As for recommendations that won't make you broke I don't really have any. The best wireless mice that I would personally buy and use are the Razer Deathadder V3 Pro, Razer Viper V2 Pro, Razer Deathadder V2 Pro, Razer Viper Ultimate, Logitech G Pro X Superlight, Starlight-12 Small (medium is also great but small would be more similar to the mini size wise. But is also far to expensive for me to actually recommend just listing mice I really like), Glorious Model O Minus Wireless. I have a different list for wired. But again, I honestly doesn't see a point of upgrading from the Mini to something else as you never know how you are going to like the shape. I see a TON of people who are absolute monsters aim wise who use the Mini. I've heard good things about Vaxee and Pulsar who both have more affordable wireless. But again, the spec increase there is mostly a wash. You get a mildly better sensor (to the point I'm not sure you would notice much difference as the specs are extremely close). The reason why I love Logitech HERO is it's got special sauce in it. And Razer's Focus+ and Focus Pro are just so far ahead of the competition with other special sauce that it makes a difference. But otherwise most other mice feel relatively the same. Which is what I mentioned in this review.
Sorry for the book. Repeated myself a few times. But mostly just typed my running dialogue and that is what came out.
@@ThomasMuehler Oh that makes a lot of sense, the viper mini has been my mouse for almost 2 years and i have grown accostumed to it so im sure changing shape would definitely impact negatively. I think mice, like almost any other product, have diminishing returns the further you go up in price especially when you're a noob like me lol. Thanks a lot for the reply, I was actually thinking if i should switch to the Orochi v2 since its wireless and light yet affordable, but im still unsure if the shape and weight change is worth it.
@@kondratov8269 You definitely run into diminishing returns. My thoughts on almost everything is it isn't so much the gear as much as it is the person. A person who is amazing at something will still be amazing at something even with bottom tier gear. But when that same person has top tier gear it just makes their job a lot easier and allows them to hit crazier shots a bit more often. So, you should be training yourself. Not your gear.
Orochi V2 is one I forgot that is also excellent. But again, the jump from that to the one you have isn't going to be significant. Outside of the wireless.
It’s a downgrade as they could easily offer it at $110 instead of $170 in my country. I voted with my wallet and went for the G-Wolves Sköll, which is 95% the quality for almost a third the price 😁
I disagree about it being a downgrade. As that really comes off to what you value in a mouse. To me I think the V3 is much better than the V2.
The price point is debatable and as much as I would like to agree with you on it I can't for multiple reasons. As that would make other mice from smaller companies such as G-Wolves unable to compete which means they would need to either lower their prices (which are already low to begin with which is what makes them good) or they would go out of business. Also, the G-Wolves is using older technology which costs a lot less to make and are probably making more of a profit off it then Razer is off the DAV3. Ironically.
I also highly disagree with 95% of quality for a third of the price. Skoll has a inferior sensor, switches, firmware, latency, not wireless, 1,000 hz over 4,000 hz, not holed, technically heavier (not noticeable). Shape, size, click feel, PTFE, coating, and scroll wheel are more subjective and I will grant you is probably very similar and may even give the win to Skoll in a few areas. Additionally, if something were to go wrong Razer is going to be easier to go with and I'd imagine inside components are also higher quality.
But here's the thing. Mice are subjective tools. As long as you are happy with what you've got that's the only thing that matters. I'm not saying you made a bad choice. Nor am I saying you made a good choice. Because my opinion doesn't matter. The only thing that matter is are you happy with your purchase. If yes, then you done good. And truly, I'm happy that you enjoy it so much.
best mouse ever, I wish I got it on sale of course, but its still great. Also cant believe people getting white for this? turning brown just isnt appealing
Agreed. As for the white coating. Fair criticism. Very few of my peripherals have any yellowing. And the ones that do it is extremely mild and only noticeable under extremely bright lighting. But I tend to play with clean hands all the time and my hands don't really sweat.
i like ergo mice becuase I like a light gaming mouse but I have medium sized hands and use a palm grip.
most light mice are optimized for claw/ fingertip users.
nice to see a change though.
Totally agree with what you're saying.
@@ThomasMuehler thank you.
do you maybe have any other recommendatins for palm grip gaming mice.
Preferably under 80 grams?
@@henrikpflanz6177 Not particularly.
@@ThomasMuehler i bought the v3 pro and while 150 dollars is a ton for a gaming mouse i couldnt be any happier.
a g703 superlight didnt come fast enough lol
I watched many reviews about razer viper ig its v1 gen means that it has v1 optical switches which are worse than the v2 i wanted to buy the razer 8k but its not available in my country and i cant buy razer viper ultimate because its too expensive in my country its around 150$ so in the end its razer viper vs deathadder v2 overall the sensor and the clicks and glide is better on the deathadder v2 but im just afraid of the shape and the weight is 10g more than the viper ( i play valorant , cs go… ) also i found xtrfy m42 wired but ppl talk bad abt it clicks and it feels cheap so i wanted to ask what should i go for as a medium hand size uses claw grip , standard razer viper or deathadder v2 or maybe xtrfy m42
Just to clear up some misconceptions about the V1, V2, and V3 switches. They are all the same switch, however each version/generation has better “binning” which basically means tighter tolerances which leads to less defective units. Another way of saying that is the V1 switch and V3 switch (assuming neither are faulty) will feel the same (or theoretically). It gets more complicated than that but that’s the main gist. I think people get a bit obsessed about that so it can be an issue. I would see this as a bigger issue depending on how easy/hard it is to RMA in your country.
Totally understand about the Viper Ultimate. As for the Deathadder V2. Also a good choice as it is a good mouse. Great shape. But with you having a medium hand and claw grip I’m a bit concerned about the Deathadder as it is quite wide which makes claw a bit more difficult. Which is why I like the new Deathadder V3 shape a lot (as it thinned it out a bit making claw grip more viable).
I don’t know about the M42 but do own the M4 and it is one of my favorite mice of all time. It feels great all around. Really don’t have any negatives. Again, I’ve got a review on my channel if you want more information.
Bottom line. I think all three of those mice are great options. All of them are some of the top performing mice I’ve tried. Both the M4 and the Deathadder are technically ergo mice which tend to dominate palm grip. But you can do claw but may not be as comfortable. Where the Viper is made for fingertip and claw. I don’t know how good returns work in your country either. But if you can return them without much effort I’d recommend going with whichever one sounds the best for you and then if you don’t like it return them until you get the one you like.
@@ThomasMuehler thank u so much but just one thing does razer optical switches and normal mechanical switches like omron or kalih make much diff except for that the no double clicking issue for the optical switches ? I am high level player and im searching for mouse with low click latency and good sensor so yea
@@aminebrini8370 Technically optical switches are superior as they are immune to double clicks, have less movable parts so will last longer, and have zero debounce delay making them faster. So, they will have the lowest latency over mechanical as mechanical switches require a debounce delay which makes them slightly slower. Does this matter in real world scenarios? I'll let you decide. Most people say that it doesn't as it is in the millisecond range. I'm not necessarily on that boat as I think humans are more perceptive than we think we are. But that is a whole other conversation.
Most people enjoy the way mechanical switches feel over optical switches. As I think those extra mechanical parts give a slightly more tactile feeling. But I think if I was doing a blind test I wouldn't be able to tell what an optical switch is over a mechanical switch (honestly probably both with latency and with feel). As again most of the click feel comes from the shell design over the switch itself.
@@ThomasMuehler thanks a lot i understand a lot with ur reviews ur so underrated , all the other reviews talk only abt the build quality , buttons and forget the sensor and the switches and all
Anyways in the end i asked a website and it told me that razer viper 8k is coming next week so i will wait and buy it
@@aminebrini8370 I appreciate the kind words. That's one reason I got into TH-cam is I was unsatisfied with a lot of other reviews as I felt they didn't really tell me much about the product other than surface level subjective things. I try my best to be as objective as I can. Also, I prioritize performance over everything else where most others only focus on feel. So try to look at products holistically by deep diving into them and also bring up points others tend to say regularly so people have as much information as possible to make a good buying decision.
That is excellent news that they will have it in next week. I'm excited for you. And would seriously love to hear your opinions on it once you've got it in and tried it out. Good and bad. As like I said above I use that information to share with other people, test against my own findings, and because I genuinely just enjoy those conversations.
This or g pro x
Really comes down to personal preference. Personally, I think the this is superior. As spec wise there is quite the jump. Not saying the GPX is a slouch by any means. Just that take came out years ago and isn't cutting edge anymore. Due to that I think the performance you get (and future proofing) of the DAV3 Pro gives you more bang for your buck (assuming you are buying both at retail. Sale prices change that conversation a bit). I also think the shape is competitive for both of them where more people than not are going to really like it.
But with all that said there is a reason why the GPX is one of the most popular mice ever. As it's also excellent in nearly every category. The only thing holding it back is it's age. And even then it still out classes nearly every other mouse on the market.
To get a bit more specific.
FOR DEATHADDER:
- Better sensor, wireless, polling (4,000 Hz capable), weight balance (so even though it is 3 -4 grams heavier it feels lighter but the GPX also has FANTASTIC weight balance), clicks (feel is subjective but immunity to double clicks and zero debounce isn't), side buttons, PTFE feet.
FOR SUPERLIGHT:
- Arguably better texture, great feeling clicks, there is just some type of special sauce to it (which also is there with the DAV3.
You can't go wrong with either one. I'd love to hear which one you decide to go with and why.
Thank you bro you really helped me.. getting the Deathadder!! How are the feet compared to the superlight though?
@@dr.cornscoop4864 I think the feet on the Deathadder are better. not by a significant margin but still find the glide to be smoother and less drag inducing. I'm no PTFE expert. Someone else had this same comment somewhere in the comment section. I'm too lazy to hunt it down but I go a lot more in-depth there then I will here. But basically the PTFE on the Deathadder cover less surface area but are thicker (probably on the thickest side of the mice I own but not THE thickest). Due to this thickness I believe it gives it less drag and therefore feels better. Or at least on my Glorious XXXL mousepad. It's very smooth to the point I don't notice it. Where with the Superlight I do occasionally.
Again, the Superlights aren't BAD but a lot of people complain of how thin they are and that they wear out quickly and require them to buy third party. I still have my stock ones on. But they are extremely thin. The thinnest I've seen on any mouse I own.
Bro gave specs for his hands.
What can I say? I'm just nerdy as sh**. lol
I feel like this is a great mouse but not perfect
I would agree. Probably the closest to perfect I've tried and definitely fits my preferences the best. But not perfect.
But if I'm being completely honestly that is there simply to get those views. As TH-cam is completive, I'm a tiny channel, this is what the experts say work, and I gotta get those views so I can pay this bad boy off. I'm saying this lightheartedly, but also completely serious. lol
@@ThomasMuehler you are a gigachad you will make it.
@@oni4356 I appreciate the kind encouraging words. Makes me want to just grind harder and make better and better content.
Underrated
I appreciate the kind words!
@@ThomasMuehler ur wlcm
great video
Glad you liked it. Thanks you for checking out a bunch of my vids and always taking the time to comment. Much appreciated!
This mouse is ultra Loud compared to Omron switches !!!
You're not wrong. It is probably my biggest complaint. They are LOUD.
@@ThomasMuehler That's why i returned it and buy Razer mamba Elite instead On old Omron switches and i'm ultra happy.
@@militaryhunter8079 As long as you are happy that is really all that matters. I'm excited for you! Happy gaming.
where can i buy the 4k dongle ?
You cant until they make more units available on the website.
Currently only available on Razer.com. But as Jags says they have been having problems keeping it in stock as their has been higher demand than they anticipated. But are working hard on producing more and more units.
I love this mouse so much
I'm so happy to hear it! I'm right there with you!
Me watching this after ordering the Faker Edition hahah
I think that was an excellent choice. I'd love to hear your thoughts on it once it comes in.
@@ThomasMuehler I ordered it around a week ago, received it 2 days ago and it is an aaamazing mouse, coming from the gpx superlight. The scroll wheel bumps when using it is a huge plus for me so i'm in love with this mouse!
@@korbique I'm glad you are liking it so much! Definitely can't go wrong with either the Superlight or this guy. And I'm with you I prefer this one. Appreciate you getting back to me! Love hearing other people's opinions on products.
wedding bells baby
Oh heck yeah! Thank you so much for the support. I really appreciate it. Have a great rest of your week!
no, the build quality is not insane btw :)
Did I say insane in the video? If I did then that was me being a bit enthusiastic. However, I'd still say it is excellent. What makes you not thing so?
Some of my other reasoning is that to make it lightweight you are taking away some things. So making it still have excellent structural integrity despite that is even harder than making a brick that feels solid. Where weight isn't a concern. Also, a lot of people mistakenly think something that is lightweight is cheap.
@@ThomasMuehler watched the vid yesterday and yes i recall you said it was insane, but yea its whatever, from personal and other reviews it has flexing on the shell after a little use… other than that awesome mouse
@@HakenMods Totally fair point. I don't have any flexing on either of mine. Have heard some people have that issue though. But that is also incredibly common on ultralightweight mice, as again to hit those weight numbers structural integrity takes a hit. And to be honest mice in general tend to have some flex regardless as well. So, I guess I look at it from more what is a reasonable amount of flex at what grip strength. But maybe I'm a bit more relaxed than I should be about it.
@@ThomasMuehler yea true, ive mostly used the superlight and g303 shroud edition from logitech(not a fan boy) and those feel fairly solid from almost a years use on both. I do however have a tendency to clench while aiming so that might be why
@@HakenMods Ironically, I tend to notice way more flex in all my Logitech mice compared to Razer lol. But I love both companies. I definitely don't clench when gaming. If anything I try my best to keep my hand firm but relaxed. Which may be another reason why I just don't pay a lot of attention to it.
logitech G PRO X superlight is better
I'm glad you like it more. Definitely not better objectively going off specs. But personally I know a lot of people that would agree with you.
WEDDING BELLLLS
Roccats... It's just Roccat
I'll make it plural if I want! JK, thanks for the callout. Obviously my delivery of certain words leaves a lot to be desired. I probably also pronounced it wrong too.
lol, get used for 80
Why do you speak like every word ends on a comma?
I, dont, know, what, you're, talking, about.
150$ super perfect
It is expensive. But I do cover my thoughts on that in the video.
Also, more and more mice (with less features) are coming out at higher price points. Which I'm not saying is a good thing. So, it'll be interesting to see where this conversation (as a community goes).
Low prices kill competition. They made an ethical choice to price these as such.
@@FriendNotFoeBand low prices create the comp what are you on about?
@@FriendNotFoeBand what a moronic consumerist statement, shame.
@@ege8240reread his comment lol
Hahahaha. Ridicolous
If you say so.
rar
rawr rawr.
Raze is copping Logitech is so funny 😂😂😂😂
I'm gonna be honest. I'm not sure what exactly you're talking about here.