Is the Norden 901 Crash Worthy? How hard is it to lift? (ep.3)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 10 ก.พ. 2022
- UPDATE: YES, I KNOW THIS IS NOT A REAL WORLD CRASH. I WILL DO FURTHER TESTING AND REPORT BACK. CRASH BARS MAY BE IN MY FUTURE. WE WILL SEE.
I lay down the Husqvarna Norden 901 in the dirt and show you what to expect when the bike hits the ground, as well as how hard it is to lift.
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I think you're the only ADV reviewer that rates a bike by it's pick-up-ability. 10/10
This is actually the first adventure bike by KTM I find beautiful. Still planning to keep my T7, though, because there is one thing I don't like: Too much electronics. The TFT dash looks great but also expensive to replace. Had an Africa Twin before I bought the Tenere and after a while I hated all the drive mode and traction control settings. The T7 is a refreshing experience in the sense that you just sit on it and go.
Not sure I can call it beautiful yet, but definitely better looking than the pumpkin Halloween bug faced insect bikes. I guess some people like Halloween but having those colors year-round in your garage gets kind of old
The Japanese anime praying mantis insect look is also kind of old, they've all been copying each other for decades now
Just my opinion, but Husky versions all seem to look better than their KTM cousins. 690vs701, 500vs501, and now 890vs901. They also sometimes have more thought out features, and higher prices.
@@7x779 🤣🤣🤣🤣
"This is actually the first adventure bike by KTM I find beautiful"
this is a Husqvarna bike, not a KTM bike.
@@salomp1452 KTM bought Husqvarna years ago. Bikes are almost identical (same engine, same suspension, etc). Just the design and branding is different. The Norden is essentially a 890 Adventure in a different dress.
Seen one driving through town yesterday. In not a rider yet, still in the complete and utter paralysis of analyzing ever potential option. Studying every aspect, but the nordin....THE NORDIN!!!! I cant escape the utter awesomeness, the radical different design with the gas reservoir straddling the side....brilliant.
I think if the handlebar wasn't in such a perfect position, the fairing would have hit the ground, besides it was a perfectly flat surface, and bikes don't always fall in such a flat and perfect place
That's true but then again, if the ground is uneven or if there are stones on the ground a crash bar doesn't help anyway...
Be gentle. It's his lovely new bike. ☺
agree there is no way to drop and have the handlebar straight like this, definitely needs crash bars.
Agreed his test didn’t take into account ANY forward motion. That will pull the handle bar back so it won’t rest on it it will on the side of the bike
Probably true. Let me test further and report back to everyone. I really hate to add weight with crashbars.
I agree on the comments on the lay down test .I think we could expand on that with the handlebars in different positions, etc…..
Great job as always keep it coming.
Thanks
These videos are honest and informative. I’ve been thinking of going lighter for a roadworthy ADV, I’m very intrigued in this machine.
How about falling on the exhaust?
Thank you for all the hard work you put into your video's. I just picked a 901 up and I'm really liking it. Your right its like your riding a smaller bike.
Great video series Ian! Nice that you number your videos 1,2,3...🙂
Enjoying this series of videos. I really like the looks of this bike
Hey Ian, keep the stream of consciousness posts coming. They are just too real. Am enjoying your content very much. Better than getting any work done at home. :)
I’ve owned 2 Honda Transalp 700’s which were fantastic adventure motorcycles and a a lot of fun, albeit small for 2 up riding, especially on the dirt stuff. I’ve since owned 3 air cooled GSs and they are fantastic motorcycles...big, comfortable tourers and the occasional off-road excursions, but too big and heavy to go cross country. I like the Norden 901, good power, great off-road credentials and a heap lighter! Plus it looks a bit like a Transalp! Great review mate, keep it up! 👍🏍🇿🇦
I looked at the transalp ended up with an f800gs. Actually lighter than a transalp, little taller though
Omg…you got me all torn Ian. First of all great content as always 🙏🏻. Thank you.
I sold my T7 last year and got a GS which I absolutely love. I was considering putting some 70/30 tires on it and thought I could go (almost) anywhere…
Now, the Norden is here…it seems like the perfect compromise between T7 and GS?
Look forward to hearing more about your experience with it. I already found one so I guess it s a matter of making the call …or sticking to the GS
All the best,
Happy Friday
What did you decide...I also have to make up my mind between keeping my 850 GSA or changing to the Norden..
I am wondering about a couple things. My own experience with bikes off pavement is that I struggle on rocky terrain. Rocks that high center the bike, and rocks that are left behind when the trail washes out. I think that while the stock plate will do rather well for gravel road type surfaces, I would still be looking for something sturdier, like a Black Dog plate.
The way the tank sticks out like that seems like a GS type pivot point. Lots of GS riders put bars around the heads, because they are the heads, which accentuates this extended pivot. I have to think a fair number of riders are going to add bars or plates here to either give more protection when they actually go adventuring, or just to look like they go adventuring...
Just because it falls softly on the gas tank doesn't mean it is all good. Just because the GS falls on the cylinder doesn't mean it won't get damaged. I would put crash bars as the crash bars are attached to the frame to dissipate impact, duh!
i just ordered rottweiler intake arrow cat-delete mid pipe and ti-silencer smog cannister valve removal kit rally foot pegs and the Husky rack with the factory soft bags shown in some of the adds & online brochure.. cant wait for the snow to melt
My Tiger 900 is too similar a category to trade...but the Husky certainly seems like a worthy contender. You show a lot of enthusiasm so far!
Looking at the comments some are gonna ask you to crash it at 60mph with handlebars fully turned :) Really looking forward to following your content on this bike!
Great job. You made it look easy to lay down and pick up. Just went to the dealer yesterday and surprised they had one but it's spoken for already. I mentioned to them that all motorcycle manufacturers should have the pickup weight listed as a specification. Especially for adventure bikes, the whole point of it is for a lot of us just to get away from everything and everyone else and be alone for awhile. And that's not going to work out well if you can't pick up your bike if you fall
The real test is when your moto camping with gear on it. That’s hard to predict from the factory. I suppose the 75% of people who buy these “adventure bikes” to drive around town etc… might need to know the “pick up weight”. That’s why I will stick with my 701 for moto camping etc….
This is a great looking bike in my opinion. And I love Big Rocks reviews. I think he does a fantastic job and I really appreciate all his bike experience with so many manufacturers.
@@JS-ny8sn I agree
Very impressive weight distribution 👍
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Yessss very nice!! Thanks Ian.
Thank you for sacrificing your new bike to a drop test. Great information.
I would add crash bars just to be on the safe side.
Excellent! The weight and lift test, and effort, is absolutely key for me. My F800GS was a bear. My Tiger is pretty good, and if this is easier than the Tiger, then that is a massive win. I think it is important to remember that in a tough situation, you may be lifting the bike five times, not just once, so being able to get the bike up, time after time (or fall after fall) is pretty important. After all, the natural position for a motorcycle is on it's side. They all go that way at some point.
I definitely agree with this! My T7, although a relatively light bike is very top heavy. Had to cut a solo trip short as I became too exhausted after having to lift the bike several times. I have no problem lifting it on a flat surface but in some off road conditions it literally took every ounce of my strength to get it back up. I’m in really good shape and not a small guy either. There are some aids though I’m going to look into that can help lift a bike. No fun having an adventure bike where how u want to ride is limited by how many times u can lift a bike.
Love how easy you made the lift look🙃
It takes a LOT to make me consider giving up my 2009 KLR. The Africa Twin tempted me, but I successfully resisted. But you are making it very difficult for me to resist getting a Norden. The easy lift is a strong selling point for me.
Could the tank panel survive a hard drop without crash bars? This was a gentle laying down on a soft surface.
I'm sure a lot of us are thinking that and also wondering if crash bars would help to be even easier to pick up by stopping it from laying down so flat
But the purpose of this test was not crash resistance but simply how hard is it to pick up, which is golden because nobody else does this. Kudos to him
KTM/Husky claims the tank IS your crashbars. They told me you dont need them for that reason. Supposedly the tank is incredibly strong.
I still hope someone makes bars as nowhere where I ride is there a nice flat sandy spot. Everything is rocky.
I've dropped my 1090 many times off road, and the lower crash bars (the same location as the 901 lower tank guard) and sturdy hand guards have been all I've needed. The upper fairing never touches the ground. I wouldn't waste money for upper bars if the 901 were mine.
This Norden 901 is shaping up to be a much better bike than people thought after the first journo reviews of it ... I'm very eager to see what the Norden 501 will be like ... I hope it also has the low slung tanks and a 21/18 pair ... your review of the 901 has been excellent.
I am also very excited about the coming KTM 490 Adventure and Norden 501 after all the good reviews about Norden 901. It will probably be a lower cost design.
@@fredrik999z I think the 490 501 are going to be built like the 390 with cost savings made In India/China I can see them having 19/17 wheels. Otherwise they won't be much cheaper than the 790's etc
That’s a huge advantage; well worthy of a single topic episode. As an aside, I’m in the market for a new bike. After watching this series I contacted my local dealership. I was told the one 901 they had was sold and customers have deposits on five more, none of which the dealership has any real hope of obtaining for months, if at all. I wonder, does this one case represent a larger reality?
I think all bets are off whenever you dump a MC, but at least you might get an idea what areas are going to, might, possibly strike first. Good technique on lifting the MC back up. Backing up to the bike is what I understand is the "Proper" method... , easier on your spine. Good video. Thanks.
I always wonder why I see people lifting the bike up the way you just did, I personally think the best way to lift up a heavy bike is to squat and both hands on the lowest part of the handle bar and lift straight up. I dropped a Harley road king and it was hard to lift but grabbing the handle bar and lifting straight up made it easy, in your next video can you show different ways of lifting a dropped bike. Thanks
Lifting by the handlebar is easy on a bagger like the road king because it doesn't lay flat with the handle bar touching the ground, so you're able to keep good posture and keep your back straight while lifting. But it's not a recommended method since there is a high risk of back strain and it fatigues the upper body. It is like the difference between doing a squat and a leg press exercise; both can help you build leg muscles but an improperly performed squat can cause back pain and generally the worse shape you are in the easier it is to have bad form which leads to injuries.
If you want to see some really different methods to pick up an ADV bike, check out Bret Tkacs, he has multiple vids on the subject as he makes a living as a ADV specific motorcycle trainer.
The Norden is looking to be an excellent bike so far and shoot, the looks are absolutely killer! My question is if there are any concerns with reliability. I hear all these horror stories of KTMs and I suppose they’ve improved over recent years, but after checking Husky’s site and seeing they don’t offer the same extensive warranty as BMW and Triumph do, not being a tried and true Japanese make…I’m hesitant let’s just say that.
Ian,
Did you return the bike?
I understandYou have 18 months under the California ‘lemon law’
Don’t be timid about it.
A couple of friends of mine returned a few years back a BMW M6 Convertible and another friend a Tesla model X
You have done your duty to your followers!
Happy trails 🍻🍻
Great video, great bike but those stickers! Dey gotta go!
Thanks. Even on the other side no problem? Seems like the muffler is exposed
Looks like it is resting on a handlebar. Usually when bike falls, handlebar will never stay that perpendicular to bike and that straight)
great channel
Thanks for the excellent videos! which tail bag are you using?
I'll go out on a limb ... ( His Sponcer ) Tusk
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1.30 However, I believe that additional safeguards will be necessary. The steering wheel is never in the straight-ahead position during an accident. Look at the distance of the side plastics from the ground - they will rub against the ground.
Gracias desde Colombia
Thank you for your excellent reviews! Also for us Europeans, but what happens when the handlebar is not in the middle but all to the left?
For you Europeans, or anyone else??
Its like the boxer, like wider geomerty at the bottom kinda helps with initial lifting imo.
Wonderful. Really wonderful. much better than the T7, which is almost impossible to lift...
The engine sits so high up in the frame with the T7
The chances of crashing and landing in the position shown on the video are small....that scenario is for when you simply drop your bike from a stand still position.....Great video anyway and kudos for putting the bike in that position to show how things work!
Certainly a great looking bike. I would be worried a rock would slip in between the lower tank and the handlebar though. - Frank
Thank you sir.
I just noticed how quiet and smooth the bike sounds at least the way the audio is coming through on this clip. The muffler sounds very quiet and I didn't notice any engine clatter
How are the Vibes in the highway between 65 and 100?
barely alive after lifting it:
"very easy to pickup"
😂😂👍👍
I love the looks of this bike and the 2024 looks even better. I wonder if those protections on the side are plastic or metal? there is an upgrade that it is sturdy metal and (included in expedition)
Nice, but what about the other side?
I've noticed it looks like the aux lights have a radial protection bar around them. If robust enough and having the necessary meat a small longitudinal linear slider could be attached that would give the fairing some forward motion protection when the bike bars rotate aft on the downed side.
Do you think there is enough meat there?
I believe that is a piece of glossy black plastic.
It is just a piece of moulded plastic and not round either.
I guess you would bond aluminum sheet on as a patch like an aluminum boat ,but no rivets.
Is it possible to access ride modes without TFT - memorize button moves??
I ephing HATE having to lift my T7, so insanely top heavy
This motorcycle so far seems nearly perfect (ignoring KTM's absolute 💩 levels of reliability for a second)... too bad I'm 5'7" with a 30" inseam. I had a KTM 1190 ADVR when they first hit the states (first one in Virginia at the time, woot!), and having to do the, "one-cheek sneak," all of the time gets really old after a short, pun intended, while.
Then again if the Norden 901 does in fact carry its weight as low as it looks like it does, then the seat height, and width can be overcome as an impediment. A lower seat would be nice too.
Super ten might be going down the road here soon
I admit you have the balls to lay dawn a brand new bike on the dirt like this.I cant imagine myself doing it .
Thanks for the great content. It's 5am here in Michigan and I just got the notice for this video. I know you're in California. Shouldn't you be in bed? LOL
Thanks for showing how it would be if it fell. I was trying to get protective bars for mine and found out that Husq does not believe it is needed and does not offer. How about if you fall on the other side. Will the exhaust touch the ground?
Didn't the prototype have crash bars?
I have some crash bars for my 701 from “Outback Motortek” fantastic quality and they installed great. I would contact them about your 901. I would guess they are working on crash bars for your bike. I love the look of the Norden. If I ever get a twin that will be the bike 🤙
What type of plastic are the fairings made from? The hard shell type that cracks easily or the flexible sturdy kind? Do you know how the heated grips from Husky work? Built-in switching or add-on mount? Is clicking the link to RMATV all that is needed to support your channel or is something else needed once on-site and ready to place an order?
I consider the CABDR the crucible for both adventure bikes and riders. How do you think the Norden 901 will fare (particularly on sections 1, 2 and 3)? Will you be attacking it? Looking forward to a comparo to your GSA too. Keep up the good work Ian!
I plan to do it on the 901, yes
Would the dynamics would change with side bags, soft or hard?
Im hoping you load this bike right up camping gear and all and we will tag along with you to Argentina.
Would love to know how it fairs with a pillion? Comfortable enough for touring?
Waiting for off road test !
Well he did a off test in the last video.
Which bike is the most difficult to straighten between the T7, the CB500X and the Norden according to your experience ? Thank you for your very helpfull videos.
cb500x is easy enough, t7 as he said felt really top heavy compared to heavier bikes.
How to check and how do you know what the factory settings are?
What if the handlebars were turned when dropped?
All looks good but almost there have the T7 motor in there to know it will get you back out. KTM a little sketchy on reliability
Wow that looked pretty easy
you shoud move the handlebar, full lock and full open when the bike is down
like fallin during a full lock, with the handlebar fully close or fully open a think that the fairing will touch the ground
Crash bars still allow mounting bags, pegs, & such.
A question from this video and from the last one Ian, do you think, for the average rider, that they even need explorer mode? The standard bike settings for traction control and ABS from the factory seem so capable. Just a thought!
Test rode the norden yesterday and the offroad mode will be good enough for most riders. The extra settings on the explorer mode makes it more complicated to configure and the rally throttle is very sensitive and aggressive (you can change to road or offroad throttle ta make it less sensitive). So if you are an advanced rider, then its great, if you want to set it and forget it, then the offroad mode is perfectly fine. I am probably getting one this week and will leave the explorer mode for later if needed...one irritating thing is that you cannot configure the ride mode to also set your abs preference...it is a two step process...which means you can ride in road mode with abs off on the rear, which is not ideal (remember to turn on abs when switching from offroad to road mode)
I think unless you are Toby Price or Pablo Quintinilla you would not need the Explorer mode. While I know it gives a lot of customisation settings, unless you are going to take the bike off-road into the most hairiest of situations, and ride it 10/10ths and with the skills to match, then I am of the opinion its 'setting too far' for most riders. Unless mine comes with the Explorer mode standard (yeah right!!) then I won't be getting it installed/configured. I simply do not have the skills to make it warranted, not do I intend to ride technical single-track to try and find out.....my $0.02
luggage rack and good barkbuster type hand guards and i dont honestly believe additional crash bars are needed , werent on my 1090r.. the suspension was my biggest concern after ergo's can i ask how heavy and tall you are ?? i am 6'2" & 230-235 in street clothes
Why did you choose upper crash bars for your T7? It seems lower crash bars would have given equal protection to what the Norden has.
I'm genuinely curious because I just got my T7 a couple months ago, and am trying to decide what I need without adding more weight than necessary, or spending too much extra money.
What about a 2022 KTM 1290 Super Adventure R? I guess I'll have to a video of that on mine because haven't dropped it yet.
When the honey moon is over you need to ride it like you stole it! 🏍💨👌😁👍
Does the 901 have a center stand? How do you think the passenger seat is?
Nice, nice...!!!! 😃😃👍👍👍👍👍👍Now, it's only a question of reliability. Is it same as the KTM 890, or any better ? 🤔🤔And - how about the vibrations ? - plz do test it on a normal road at higher speeds..... ( not anything illegal 😀😀)
Have you figured out range on a tank of fuel (mpg’s)?
The Design and Reliability is not to compare with Yamaha T7. I am talking about long-term with heavy use but not for a few months and light use.
As always thank you for your very informative reviews. I’ve seen a couple of reviews saying they were a bit disappointed of the top heaviness of the 901 since it’s build on the 790/890 platform. Since both you and me have owned both the T7 and the ktm would you say the 901 falls in between the 790/890 and the T7 when it comes to the top heaviness?
How could it fall between the T7 and 890 when it’s basically a 890 with different clothes?
@@JS-ny8sn different clothes makes a difference in weight distribution compared to the 890. The 901 have more fairings on top and the whole headlight assembly is different. My question was if it’s enough to feel a difference. Since I haven’t been able to try the 901 myself I can’t determine if these reviews are right or not.
What about the exaust side?
Who else does this? Well done 👍
Those fairings are definitely going to hit with forward momentum and anything less than a flat surface.
No way I am throwing that kind of money down on a bike and then leaving the fairings unprotected to be scraped up.
It isn't a coincidence that manufacturers mark-up fairings. It is an easy money-maker for them.
Can I get a link to that tail bag?
I wish they would build a base model with a cable-operated throttle, no ride modes and no TC etc. I would definitely consider buying one then. Even if they had to drop engine power to get it through emissions. It wouldn't even need to be much cheaper.
Fly by wire is almost a must for euro 4 or later.
@@chrishart8548 If it is a 'must', then why doesn't the T7 have it, or any cheap entry-level bikes???? It clearly isn't a 'must' to pass emissions! I don't want RBW. I won't buy a motorcycle with RBW - unless it is designed to feel exactly like carbs, or at least as good as consistent standard cable-operated fuel injection. NOTE- The new Hayabusa has RBW, but runs cables from the twist grip. RBW is completely substandard in its current form - which on these 'mega-expensive superyachts' is totally unacceptable.
@@actstuntcam I did say almost.
@@actstuntcam probably why the fueling on the T7 is bad. It just cuts the throttle dead. Bet fly by wire would have been better. If the T7 was euro 3 compliant instead. The throttle would have been lovely.
@@chrishart8548 I hear the throttle response and fueling are amazing, but can't confirm as I haven't ridden one. I will never buy a RBW.
Hi
I currently have a BMW R1250GS Adventure for touring. I have been off-roading for two years but I am a beginner and it is hard to progress on my R1250GS. You think the Husky will be a better off-road companion. Or maybe the T7?
Get a dual sport bike, under 450cc, to learn
@@BigRockMoto GS310 :)))))
And dont forget, in real life we never fall on nice soft even ground. At least I dont. Crash bars for me.
You are an early bird.. Or a night person.😂 You must want to get videos out so people see them 1st thing in the morning.
I think this bike is far better looking than the 890adv.
The more I see videos of this bike, the more it seems like the true successor to my 1190 ADV. The new 1290s are too heavy and the 890 KTMs aren't really long-distance worthy. They just gotta fix that motor clang. Ew.
That's a awesome motorcycle, but looks heavy?
BUT HOW DOES IT COMPARE TO THE KLX650???
Nothing will ever be as good. Especially in black with a turquoise frame and seat. I had a P reg one in 1998. The paint was coming off the frame everywhere though.
I like your channel, but this is not a very good representation of a bike tipping over as it’s moving, even at 5 mph. Plus you’re on a flat, rock free surface. Lose forward momentum riding uphill and lose your balance at the same time. Otherwise, I like your reviews 🤙🏻😎
where is this bike made at?
Austria
Can we north americans be granted with led indicators instead of ugly old bulbs? Seams to be the norm with european bikes, while you get japanes bikes with stock led indicators...
I just tried the GIVI TN7710 crash bars here: th-cam.com/video/jMYBXmFLWnc/w-d-xo.html
nice video, I like those bars