not just testing it (chuds in the lfg discord will """"""test"""""" the gun and compare it to the columnus by shooting a mutant in the back and pretending its a valid test, autoguns just inherently have more damage v maniac than lasguns) but like understanding WHAT ITS GOOD AT
I agree with you about infernus but have you considered the substantial power bonus that comes from how cool it is to light things on fire with lasers?
It's like tagging but without binding tag to M1 or actually pressing the tag button! But no, I actually need the better visibility because getting old (I think).
The brown recon actualy fires two ammunitions instead of one for the other two recons. Generaly it doesn't matter for your total ammo pool but it makes clip deplete faster. I mainly use the blue recon with psyker because all of the crits make me basicaly invulnerable against shooters of all kind
Yes, with the faster rate blue recon can make you even tank the boss with gun psyker build. If you build with assail with venting. You can just refill your whole thoughness within 2 second once you press attack.
I appreciate the way you think about the mechanics. I suck, and want to get better. I’d rather someone tell it to me straight than keep trying to put a square peg in a round hole completely convinced I’m a genius.
You got a lot of good insights and I've learned a lot from you, but why do you have to put so much salt in every video? It's really making me cringe now and I can't get past it any longer I think...
He's autistic. (In his channel desc). Autistic people don't read social cues well and tend to hyper fixate on non-issues + tend to see the world in black and white. Due to his neuro divergence, he's probably been made fun of hurt in the past. His hostilty is probably a defence mechanism. So no can ever make fun of him again. He's incredible at the game, but he's incredible because he no-life plays this game all day with a foot pedal and a MMO mouse. And he's also a furry lol.
I put infernus on a laspistol because i saw telopots do it but the burn ticks were awful. Telopots knows how to make optimized builds but doesn't and doesn't need to cuz he gets max damage every game regardless :p
Following the patch notes about Shock Trooper being fixed I was, out of curiosity, testing the Recon Lasguns yesterday, assuming Dumdum and Headhunter to be optimal. Weirdly I got most consistent high dps on Mk6d with Infernus & Headhunter + Onslaught. Seems like the Recons' low weakspot and critical damage doesn't benefit as much from Dumdum, even with Onslaught, and the burn damage improving with the brittleness armor pen is superior. It's quite odd but out of the three marks the 6d with this setup was the most consistent one, especially on Dreg Ragers. Feel free to test it further.
@@bentuovila5296 tested a bit more: 1. Dumdum seems bugged giving only about 20% increase. 2. Mk6d with full crit and blessings gets to max burn stacks almost instantaneously. 3. Onslaught is about 40% damage increase on Flak and Maniac. 4. Mk7 is about 20% behind Mk6d in raw dps and doesn't benefit from instant full burn and quick brittleness. Mk2 is even worse.
Also, because the recon lasguns have like no recoil whatsoever, it's super easy to hold the gun trained on boss' weakspot. Yes, even easier than an autogun, literally just point, click and hold...
I do still find VId to be a good variant. Yeah sure VIIa is often the better choice but VId works with infernus and onslaught way better and I've managed ho make my VId really ammo efficient as well. Just maximize your crit potential with VId and have survivalist and shock trooper and headhunter and fully loaded
With the right build, "Infernus IV" adds around 360-400 dps against special and elite ennemies respectively and around 800 dps against unyielding targets when you use that "shitty" blue Recon Lasgun. With Unyielding dmg and a combat stims, you can get around 1300 extra DpS with "Infernus IV" alone and it helps with ammo economy when fighting those bigger targets. If you get the critical chance traits around the Sharpshooter tree and the stamina recovery from "Focus Target", the stamina consumption from "Deadshot" isn't much of an issue and you can also use that quirk to power up melee weapons with "All or nothing" to get satisfying results.
It's a nice general purpose weapon. I used to run it before I found my true love the ageipina mkvii braced autogun. I will say there are times where I need to hit a target at range and I miss the recon las but overall I tend to enjoy the braced autogun better.
What do you think about using deadshot on Recon and autoguns ?. Ive seen some people mention how strong it can be but i just fail to see how you can manage your stamina with these fast firing weapons. Even with stuff like duck and dive +ranged immunity perks
Depends on which one you’re using, blue is easily out of the question but the others preform pretty well, note I tend to take 2 +3 stam curios but otherwise no complaints
For the brown recon it works okay, for the others forget about it. You just hipfire most of the time and save ADS for when you really need it. Honestly though, I've tried every las weapon and the two laspistols seem to be better for the whole crit shocktrooper thing than any recon or infantry lasgun, and it's not even close.
So the blue one is a ammo chewer, the brown one is a headshot monster. What about the mk2. How would you recomend getting the most out of the green machine?
I tried this (same weapon setup except with crit and weakspot perks) with execution stance, the ads perk, marksman focus KS, and +20% HS power on ability use, to try and pack out the crit/weakspot dam buffs to stupid levels (probs overkill TBH). Was good fun and worked surprisingly well. But, counter intuitively, I found it was no good for horde clear - too ammo inefficient in that scenario. I think I have also concocted a stealth build that you MAY find acceptable.
Every time I hear him sale MALESTORM I keep thinking about that song, It's raining men. It's maelstrom, not malestorm. Man goes through 1000% deep dives and reverse engineers the code, but won't take a moment and read. Maelstrom means chaotic or hectic, something that's terrifyingly frantic. Kinda fits no?
Maelstrom is akshually the name used in some norther EU countries for dangerous sea whirpools and such. You can read the famous Edgar Allan Poe's tale 'The Maelstrom', speaks about one such things.
I LOVE the recon lasgun VId even if its bad LMAO I just use it on lower difficulty runs. I use stripped down and dumdum, and have only a little bit of ammo issues by using shock trooper and survivalist. You said not to use onslaught with these to kill armored targets but I use it for the VId and can pretty much have it applied instantly like an autogun would because it fires so fast. I think of it as a worse autogun worse lasgun but more fun.
Hmm I just got into this gun on my vet. I've got deathspitter/dumdum and (5%crit/8% to elites) on my VIIa but otherwise threw up the same talent points. I've messed wih krak grenades and coverig fire as well, but learned late as a vet that zealots and ogryns have their own toughness regen in combat, so switched back to frags for the extra point later. VIIa also penetrates unarmored and poxwalkers, making it effective vs an approaching horde. Don't believe the other recons do this. When grouped with vets with blue recons I notice I have more kill power and ammo efficiency. I play random quickplays so haven't really compared builds.
Frankly ? Thank you so much. You say out loud what no one has the courage to say. Everything you say is true and I'm dying to say it but everyone prefers to follow each other like f*g sheep without even understanding what they're playing. Too many bad players in this game. Love u bro 🔥 If they're not happy with your honesty, f* them.
Ehhhhh i dont like marksmans focus voc is alot more helpful. And they suck so bad vs armor even with onslaught id rather spent the points making it vetter vs everything else
@@TannerLindberg i see your point about onslaught. As for VoC, you are talking about Executioners Stance. I meant the 4th keystone on the left, Marksman Focus. MF is used on all enemies, while focus target needs to recharge and tag mobs one by one. Seems more useful, its why i asked.
Stop it with these videos! You're ruining my memes! When I run Recon and do just fine, everyone thinks I'm special! Now they'll just realize it's the gun, not me ;p
You should know by now it's all semantics. The Darktide reddit is full of people arguing about points they actually mostly agree on just because they don't like the language the other person has used to describe something. When most people say a gun sucks it's because comparatively speaking it does, whereas in isolation it's probably fine and completely viable. For some people a gun that sucks is one that's 5/10 whilst for another it's 2/10 just because of how they interpret the word. For others if you have a list of guns and 5 of 10 of the guns are a solid 8/10 and one is a 6/10 that gun sucks to them; and they're not technically wrong, but it does make for a really boring discourse arguing about context.
Yeah but it being "viable " with just the right build and good aim doesn't mean much. In that scenario a autogun or infantry lasgun couldve done much better guaranteed. Recons still underperforms and aren't very satisfying to use . If people don't call it trash then the devs won't give it the proper buff it needs .
Pretty much the same as my testing...Yeah, dismiss the guns that are better and yeah its good. Personally am not going to ignore them, and still think it sucks. Weapons like these are great in the Psykanium, but then you actually queue into a clutch-or-die lobby and will be thinking, why didnt I take revolver, plasma, bolt, or autogun.
When you say "the shitty blue one", you mean the one MARK that has the highest rate of fire? Now that the game is different, you mean "don't use the one that has 'torrent' trait and use the other mark that has highest damage of Recon'?
there is ALOT that got changed with these since this video came out. the biggest issue with them before was the blue one would burn through ammo so fast it wasnt really usebale since you'd be with out ammo for a very long time.
I fuckin' knew the VIIa was the best recon lasgun. I used it all the time on my gun psyker even before the first skill tree rework and it mulched elites.
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Tanner is back with the mad scientist method "testing the actual weapon"
Truly beyond the comprehension of most online dwelling mortals.
not just testing it (chuds in the lfg discord will """"""test"""""" the gun and compare it to the columnus by shooting a mutant in the back and pretending its a valid test, autoguns just inherently have more damage v maniac than lasguns) but like understanding WHAT ITS GOOD AT
If I recall "Shock Trooper" Wasn't fixed for recons until the latest patch. That probably contributed to people hating them.
Yes but its not like it wasnt working full stop anyway, just that for the 6d i think it shoots too fast for the internal cool down for shock trooper
I agree with you about infernus but have you considered the substantial power bonus that comes from how cool it is to light things on fire with lasers?
It's like tagging but without binding tag to M1 or actually pressing the tag button! But no, I actually need the better visibility because getting old (I think).
Infernus better than Dumdum if you want to actually deal with tanky ass enemies.
The brown recon actualy fires two ammunitions instead of one for the other two recons. Generaly it doesn't matter for your total ammo pool but it makes clip deplete faster. I mainly use the blue recon with psyker because all of the crits make me basicaly invulnerable against shooters of all kind
Yes, with the faster rate blue recon can make you even tank the boss with gun psyker build. If you build with assail with venting. You can just refill your whole thoughness within 2 second once you press attack.
Benefit with the more powerful recce las is that it shoots through most enemies.
I appreciate the way you think about the mechanics. I suck, and want to get better. I’d rather someone tell it to me straight than keep trying to put a square peg in a round hole completely convinced I’m a genius.
Auricheads when you tell them there are difficulties other than Damnation
It's so un rewarding and un engaging to play anything below auric histig I'm shocked anyone bothers
You got a lot of good insights and I've learned a lot from you, but why do you have to put so much salt in every video? It's really making me cringe now and I can't get past it any longer I think...
He's autistic. (In his channel desc). Autistic people don't read social cues well and tend to hyper fixate on non-issues + tend to see the world in black and white. Due to his neuro divergence, he's probably been made fun of hurt in the past. His hostilty is probably a defence mechanism. So no can ever make fun of him again.
He's incredible at the game, but he's incredible because he no-life plays this game all day with a foot pedal and a MMO mouse.
And he's also a furry lol.
Autism gives dedication and straight facts, autism takes social skills.
Fair trade?
And they hated him for he told the truth.
I mean honestly his salt is why i am interested in all of his video😂
I'll take this over the slimy "hey guys!" youtuber any time.
I put infernus on a laspistol because i saw telopots do it but the burn ticks were awful. Telopots knows how to make optimized builds but doesn't and doesn't need to cuz he gets max damage every game regardless :p
Yea he also leaves sessions when people are doing better than him.
Teleopots isnt god nor perfect.
being forced to use optimized builds is a skill issue
also Infernus Laspistol stacks Dumdum lol
Following the patch notes about Shock Trooper being fixed I was, out of curiosity, testing the Recon Lasguns yesterday, assuming Dumdum and Headhunter to be optimal.
Weirdly I got most consistent high dps on Mk6d with Infernus & Headhunter + Onslaught. Seems like the Recons' low weakspot and critical damage doesn't benefit as much from Dumdum, even with Onslaught, and the burn damage improving with the brittleness armor pen is superior.
It's quite odd but out of the three marks the 6d with this setup was the most consistent one, especially on Dreg Ragers. Feel free to test it further.
I had similar results. Something like 1400dps on crushers. Fun but didn't perform as well in game as the auto guns.
@@bentuovila5296 tested a bit more:
1. Dumdum seems bugged giving only about 20% increase.
2. Mk6d with full crit and blessings gets to max burn stacks almost instantaneously.
3. Onslaught is about 40% damage increase on Flak and Maniac.
4. Mk7 is about 20% behind Mk6d in raw dps and doesn't benefit from instant full burn and quick brittleness. Mk2 is even worse.
@@MrMalamakiwould you recommend doing dumdum on mark 2 instead of infernus then?
@@infectedanimal9830 no, mark 2 has very low raw dps but still decent rate of fire. I'd use Infernus with Headhunter and perk crit chance.
@@MrMalamaki alright I’ll give it a shot and see what I get
Also, because the recon lasguns have like no recoil whatsoever, it's super easy to hold the gun trained on boss' weakspot. Yes, even easier than an autogun, literally just point, click and hold...
I do still find VId to be a good variant. Yeah sure VIIa is often the better choice but VId works with infernus and onslaught way better and I've managed ho make my VId really ammo efficient as well.
Just maximize your crit potential with VId and have survivalist and shock trooper and headhunter and fully loaded
With the right build, "Infernus IV" adds around 360-400 dps against special and elite ennemies respectively and around 800 dps against unyielding targets when you use that "shitty" blue Recon Lasgun. With Unyielding dmg and a combat stims, you can get around 1300 extra DpS with "Infernus IV" alone and it helps with ammo economy when fighting those bigger targets. If you get the critical chance traits around the Sharpshooter tree and the stamina recovery from "Focus Target", the stamina consumption from "Deadshot" isn't much of an issue and you can also use that quirk to power up melee weapons with "All or nothing" to get satisfying results.
Infernus does not ad 1300 dps like ever
@@TannerLindberg You wanna bet?
I always found the brown one to be the best. Has cleave on all trashmobs except scab bruisers, also cleaves all specials.
It's a nice general purpose weapon. I used to run it before I found my true love the ageipina mkvii braced autogun. I will say there are times where I need to hit a target at range and I miss the recon las but overall I tend to enjoy the braced autogun better.
Tanner just comes out of the corner swinging. Lol. Insightful vid.
What do you think about using deadshot on Recon and autoguns ?. Ive seen some people mention how strong it can be but i just fail to see how you can manage your stamina with these fast firing weapons. Even with stuff like duck and dive +ranged immunity perks
It's really bad. With that high rate of fire Deadshot will eat your stamina in a second, after which the talent does nothing.
With every stamina buff possible I can almost make it through one magazine using Deadshot. Would not recommend.
Depends on which one you’re using, blue is easily out of the question but the others preform pretty well, note I tend to take 2 +3 stam curios but otherwise no complaints
For the brown recon it works okay, for the others forget about it. You just hipfire most of the time and save ADS for when you really need it.
Honestly though, I've tried every las weapon and the two laspistols seem to be better for the whole crit shocktrooper thing than any recon or infantry lasgun, and it's not even close.
Overall thoughts on competitive urge as a point ?
I wish multiclass weapons were shared between characters. I have a god rolled Recon Las Gun on my Psyker that I wish my Vet could use
So the blue one is a ammo chewer, the brown one is a headshot monster. What about the mk2. How would you recomend getting the most out of the green machine?
It's very similar to the 7a in terms of damage output, with a slight advantage to the 7a if I remember correctly the tests I ran a few weeks ago.
New player here, you clearly know what you’re talking about, gonna try this build out myself.
What kind of mod are you using to get the weapons for testing?
I want to know too
Loadout Config, found on the Darktide Modding discord server.
@@rymd1875 Thank you sir
@@bonehed1 No it doesn't lmao
I tried this (same weapon setup except with crit and weakspot perks) with execution stance, the ads perk, marksman focus KS, and +20% HS power on ability use, to try and pack out the crit/weakspot dam buffs to stupid levels (probs overkill TBH). Was good fun and worked surprisingly well. But, counter intuitively, I found it was no good for horde clear - too ammo inefficient in that scenario.
I think I have also concocted a stealth build that you MAY find acceptable.
love the recon las gun never runs out of ammo
Every time I hear him sale MALESTORM I keep thinking about that song, It's raining men.
It's maelstrom, not malestorm. Man goes through 1000% deep dives and reverse engineers the code, but won't take a moment and read.
Maelstrom means chaotic or hectic, something that's terrifyingly frantic. Kinda fits no?
Maelstrom is akshually the name used in some norther EU countries for dangerous sea whirpools and such. You can read the famous Edgar Allan Poe's tale 'The Maelstrom', speaks about one such things.
Recon lasgun go BRRRRRRT
I have fun role-playing as a guardsmen from Cadia it's fun
"People are just fucking bad and they're stupid and they suck" 🤣 Yes.
I LOVE the recon lasgun VId even if its bad LMAO I just use it on lower difficulty runs. I use stripped down and dumdum, and have only a little bit of ammo issues by using shock trooper and survivalist.
You said not to use onslaught with these to kill armored targets but I use it for the VId and can pretty much have it applied instantly like an autogun would because it fires so fast. I think of it as a worse autogun worse lasgun but more fun.
Why is there no deadshot in your build? Any particular reason?
It drains per shot so it’s brutal
Hmm I just got into this gun on my vet. I've got deathspitter/dumdum and (5%crit/8% to elites) on my VIIa but otherwise threw up the same talent points. I've messed wih krak grenades and coverig fire as well, but learned late as a vet that zealots and ogryns have their own toughness regen in combat, so switched back to frags for the extra point later.
VIIa also penetrates unarmored and poxwalkers, making it effective vs an approaching horde. Don't believe the other recons do this.
When grouped with vets with blue recons I notice I have more kill power and ammo efficiency. I play random quickplays so haven't really compared builds.
Frankly ? Thank you so much. You say out loud what no one has the courage to say. Everything you say is true and I'm dying to say it but everyone prefers to follow each other like f*g sheep without even understanding what they're playing. Too many bad players in this game. Love u bro 🔥 If they're not happy with your honesty, f* them.
And they actually fixed shock trooper for this. Imagine my shock.
Is it great with gunpsker?
It is easier to crit with it if you're a psyker but psyker cannot have a Shocktrooper perk... whitch is a reason why it is so good on Veteran
Why not use Marksman Focus and Onslaught with this lasgun?
Ehhhhh i dont like marksmans focus voc is alot more helpful. And they suck so bad vs armor even with onslaught id rather spent the points making it vetter vs everything else
@@TannerLindberg i see your point about onslaught.
As for VoC, you are talking about Executioners Stance. I meant the 4th keystone on the left, Marksman Focus. MF is used on all enemies, while focus target needs to recharge and tag mobs one by one. Seems more useful, its why i asked.
Stop it with these videos! You're ruining my memes! When I run Recon and do just fine, everyone thinks I'm special! Now they'll just realize it's the gun, not me ;p
Muted?
Is the green recon lasgun bad like the blue one?
From what I remember the green one is the most ammo efficient but lowest dps.
Ok but what if I want them on psyker?
FINALLY A RECON BUILD
Tried it. Topping Elites Disablers Specials kill but lacking boss damage and carapace damage on regular Damnation.
You should know by now it's all semantics. The Darktide reddit is full of people arguing about points they actually mostly agree on just because they don't like the language the other person has used to describe something. When most people say a gun sucks it's because comparatively speaking it does, whereas in isolation it's probably fine and completely viable. For some people a gun that sucks is one that's 5/10 whilst for another it's 2/10 just because of how they interpret the word. For others if you have a list of guns and 5 of 10 of the guns are a solid 8/10 and one is a 6/10 that gun sucks to them; and they're not technically wrong, but it does make for a really boring discourse arguing about context.
Yeah but it being "viable " with just the right build and good aim doesn't mean much. In that scenario a autogun or infantry lasgun couldve done much better guaranteed. Recons still underperforms and aren't very satisfying to use . If people don't call it trash then the devs won't give it the proper buff it needs .
I have never, EVER run out of ammo with any lasgun. how does that even happen?
Actually shoot the gun?..
@@trowa170 In the air?
It's probably coming from sir Missalot
Pretty much the same as my testing...Yeah, dismiss the guns that are better and yeah its good.
Personally am not going to ignore them, and still think it sucks. Weapons like these are great in the Psykanium, but then you actually queue into a clutch-or-die lobby and will be thinking, why didnt I take revolver, plasma, bolt, or autogun.
I love the recon lasguns, I got one of each on deck.
Infernus is basically only good for monstrosities and I don't think the burn damage amounts to much
recon lasguns are always meta because they're cool.
When you say "the shitty blue one", you mean the one MARK that has the highest rate of fire? Now that the game is different, you mean "don't use the one that has 'torrent' trait and use the other mark that has highest damage of Recon'?
there is ALOT that got changed with these since this video came out. the biggest issue with them before was the blue one would burn through ammo so fast it wasnt really usebale since you'd be with out ammo for a very long time.
@@TannerLindberg So now? All recon marks are useful?
Like the lasgun but never could get it to work well against ragers
But setting enemies on fire is fun :(
I fuckin' knew the VIIa was the best recon lasgun. I used it all the time on my gun psyker even before the first skill tree rework and it mulched elites.
is the third one also doo doo?
Bro came out swinging 😂
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Hahahahaha God i fucking love how dumb people are I love all the weapons I got And yes your right it's better then what people say