Hey this video kinds blew up and was thrown together very quickly. And I'd change alot I'd put blazing piety in s tier. Ogryns charge and heavy hitter in s tier and weapon specialist in s tier and move marlsmans focus and momentum down alot.
@@TannerLindberg dawg idk who you are but you are so annoying i clicked off the video in the first 1:15 you come off as condescending and it’s impossible to sit through 2 hours of that. If you want you’re channel to grow you gotta put more effort in being likeable even if you are correct
I am always incredibly entertained by how genuine you are Tanner. “I think X, here’s why” and “Here’s my knowledge base and past that I don’t know shit” so rarely coexists. Edit: Also the incendiary grenades make you basically immune to dogs. Nice for casual.
I'm glad you pointed this out. The trendier creators tend to ramble on and say random shit and point out the obvious and don't organise what they mean at all. It's soooo tiring. 😅
@@benclark3457 bro tf calm down. its just a video no need to get worked up about it idk even know who this youtuber is but this is just a rude comment.
@@benclark3457 why are you so rude? Im just saying calling people deluded just because of a video they watched or youtuber they might like is not an ok thing to do..
@ShadowEevee_117 sorry that's a VERY common reaction people have to me. The more toxic elements of the darktide community find it fun to constantly harrass and troll me. Part of that is insiting everything o say is wrong and everyone who listens to anything i say os stupid
As a console darktide player, the zealot throwing knife is especially ass because the of the button layout. It’s the only grenade where this really matters, but trying to aim, move, and dodge while pressing the D-pad to throw it is really hard.
Im very good with throwing knives and I have to press down on my D pad to use them. You just have to get used to them and doing the penance helped me with them. Also you just line up the sights of your guns with the enemy and then press the button its rather easy.
@@cheese_man5105 there is only one button layout on console that allows you to dodge and jump with different buttons and its back button dodge or something like that. Mind boggling to me we cant customize controls and that out of 7 different schemes only one is worth using. Fatshark doing fatshark things.
love when you're talking about Martyrdom you say "you can die in two hits from anything" and legit every single time I'm playing at low health I'm thinking just don't get hit twice like its a mantra. honestly tho as a martyrdom main, it needs a rework. imo some way to negate small hits, gold toughness, or cooldown reduction would be the biggest help. The play pattern is basically just play aggressively until you're low. Then when you're low use toughness damage reduction and Fury of the Faithful to keep your toughness at max, and then Until Death for when you inevitably screw up, and Holy Revenant so you don't die to the tinniest bit of bleedthru afterwards. But the most important part of that is Fury of the Faithful to give you back toughness instantly after you get hit. So literally any way to negate the small hits more would drastically increase the viability.
this is the ENTIRE problem with martydom. the fact that you can now just blow up and die to small hits. it either takes a ton of work to set it up where you have like 2 wounds left. or you just say fuck it and play on really low hp. or you force proc holy rev to auto your self to low hp. the problem with those options is dying in like one tiny bit of bleed through.
There are layers of shit on how bad wound curios are, those needed to be fixed 1st. But before they are fixed marty should just do following. Double the bonuses Make it so non corrupted wounds count for the 50% of the bonus Would it be op? Idk Would it be better than knoife/duel zealot? No I like then conceptually, cuz slow weapons are objectively worse than fast weapons - for the crit and mobility keystone. So the marty tree with its baked in attack speed sounds like a good TH idea But then its made in THE most toxic way "stay on low hp, dont heal!" In VT2 it worked, here it doesnt
@@adamszitas8564 when I was trying martydom I identified main problem to be the bleed through damage, so I would LOVE for them to add just a single node to the capstone: "-15% bleed through damage for each lost wound" and that's it, it's fixed.
I just wish bleedthrough damage didn't exist and toughness was an actual overshield. They'd have to reduce the amount of toughness you can get to deal with it, but I wouldn't care. Toughness being a real overshield is both way more intuitive and allows Martyrdom to work properly.
Tanner, you've effectively made me 10x better at DT simply through actually informative videos. Cannot thank you enough for that, the game is so much more enjoyable with the things Ive learned from your insights.
@@TannerLindberg there is so much good information in your videos, helped me a ton and I keep finding new interactions as i watch this video (had no clue uncanny worked on your burn/blaze for example)
@@TannerLindberg You are also my favorite youtuber period, I have thousands and thousands of hours on horde shooters and I am very greatful with the knowledge you provided, it also increased my critical skills in the theory crafting aspect. Most youtubers just give shit information and I am just sick of it to be frank. Thanks Tanner.
Executioner stance is my favorite Vet ult. Honestly i use it for the highlighting more than anything else. Having that information to ve able to have effecient target priority helps a ton. Takes almoat all the work out of identifying what the threats are. VoC is definitely the best vet ult but I think it's boring to use.
Glad you're back in darktide man. I only found you after you'd backed out for your own mental which I respect. I struggle with self control and respect you coming back to something that was difficult for you. Shows a lot of growth to face that again. Thank you for sharing your expertise
nice to see you're back doing Darktide, picked up the game not too long ago and you've been easily one of the most informative on how stuff works. I'm still not that great but your Darktide basics and skills from a meta perspective videos have drastically helped me.
Same here. Just started playing about a week or so ago and i made one of each class and tend to bounce around between them. Now that i’ve been getting closer to lvl 30 on my characters and almost able to utilize all the talent points, i’ve been looking for a couple of good builds for each class… and my lord, literally every video i’ve watched(which wasn’t a whole lot thankfully) was saying things that completely contradicted my gut instinct i’ve developed towards talent tree synergy/building from my extensive experience playing MMO’s my whole life(I’m 29 atm). Untill i came across this channel today which confirmed my suspicions that something wasn’t right in a lot of the advice i was hearing lol. Like for example a lot of psyker build vids will tell you take shield over vent and scriers. Tends to be an issue with games that aren’t in the main stream of popularity.
JEFFICUS. Jokes aside, actually peak content. Points made and presented very well, the split on hyper optimized and more casual-friendly viability is very handy. Also mad props on the delivery, you are making great strides in making your arguments good in both form and content. Your efforts show, chief!
The hidden advantage of ogryn taunt is that it staggers specials/elites in the AoE. Ironbreaker taunt had the same thing. Can free people from dogs and interrupt netters, flamers and bombers through the horde long enough to melee them.
Super happy to see this. As a casual who likes to be well informed about the ticks and tocks of this game im super glad to see Tanner making this. Thank you for your continued service to the Darktide community regardless of their ignorance and dickheadetry towards you. You too JEFICUS
I think something that's worth mentioning (on the Casual side) is that as far as I know auras do not stack. There is no benefit to bringing 2 Survivalist Auras, for instance, you don't gain double the benefit. So in that instance, when I join a lobby and there's already a Survivalist Vet in the team, I take Fire Team or Close & Kill. Might as well give 5% more damage or 5% more movement speed, as it's better than nothing.
A use case of the immolation grenade which I think was missed out for casual play is protecting yourself or teammates while doing minigames. It won't stop elites, obviously, but if your teammates are particularly hopeless at protecting the person doing a minigame, an immolation grenade will prevent trash from interrupting you. This is more useful on Rolling Steel than most levels due to the time pressure, as you'll want to be doing the minigame even when it is pretty unsafe to do so.
Making Martyrdom give you Vermintide temp hp would be pretty cool. They did add 'when you die, don't' with the psyker 'if you overload with perils, you just take the wound but don't go down', so why isn't that on Martyrdom? Personally I thought it would be neat if they made it like, a buff that switches what it does as you lose wounds? At high wounds you get... I dunno, Toughness Res or CDR per wound, something, and then you replace that with the attack speed and damage (which gets buffed to not suck, ofc) or something.
As a filthy casual, I appreciate the pro/casual tiers. It really helps translate a lot of guides where youll see people just say one key skill is busted but then you try it and it feels like trash. Ill probably never play auric maelstrom but its nice knowing how to tighten up a build when I want to try something harder
The best thing about shredders are their versatility. A big horde is in your face? Spam all your grenades and watch as everything dies. One of your comrades have run of to find more plasteel? Throw that bitch half way across the map when he has two crushers on his ass. Need to by time when your VoC is on cooldown? No worries you have your friendly shredders to help by time. Down right broken if you know what your doing as a vet.
Gonna be watching this later today. Tanner, i find your darktide content to be really helpful! Love your stuff man, hope you keep making content 😊 Also your content got me able to win at least auric 5 histig consistently.
Martydom is SO BAAAD. Its interesting, its unique. With the correct build you can make yourself decently tanky, making some of the worst parts of zealots tree weirdly viable, but far from good. Still, martydom enables a bad playstyle and its benefits arent even worth it. Its benefits need to be unironically doubled to save the keystone. And unless they've changed it, you literally cant get the full benefit of marytdom. The max wounds being 7, you can never physically reach the 7th stack. You will only ever at one point have a martydom working at 6 wounds. But truth be told, zealot needs some reworking. The middle tree in its entirety needs love. And loner needs to be changed into something else 100%. I love these skills trees to death, but the fact loner ever made it into the game, in a game like this, is amazing.
I just want to thank you for your content, you've made me a better player, and made me have more fun in the game by virtue of feeling myself progress. Also you're genuinely entertaining, keep up the good work.
You should do this for weapons and/or blessings and perks as well, it was was good to hear all these in depth explanations of what’s good/what’s bad but also *how* bad or *how* good something is. Actually very helpful for returning players like me who might know there way around the basics of Darktide but are just totally lost with everything that’s been added since I stopped playing a while ago.
This vid has a lot of good info for someone new, Thank you. From all the changes there isn't enough info for me to find what I'm looking for outside of previous patch notes or out of date videos. This does a good job going into detail on why something is good or bad.
i've played a lot of this game 3 beers in just smashing quickplay. i love the perspective of the casual and sweaty tierlists being seperated, and i can confirm from my ... adventures that the first is VERY accurate.
I am going to study this video religiously, you've opened my eyes to fatal flaws countless times in my own home cooked builds many times before, thank you for your research, it's done me wonders since I started watching your guides.
I wish more TH-camrs could be like you. Maybe then the problems in Space Marine 2 might be taken more seriously rather than having a constant giga-glaze of space marine's "lore accuracy" of obscene proportions where criticism will be deemed as "bait" or "simply hating". Nevertheless! Awesome video as always Tanner!
Thanks for adding the casual section to this, I have a buddy of mine that I managed to convince to start playing on his xbox- thing is he can only play like 1 hour every session so he will never be at the same commitment level as someone like me to the game. I told him to pick up knives on his zealot and I realize that might be a mistake now given where he is at in the learning curve of the game.
Eyy, glad to see this pop up on the timeline. I'd say I've got most my builds figured out and effective but its always good to see what insight you'll offer as by and large one of the best players. Also your SM2 patch video... Gods. I havent gotten to play yet but from what you said about it, it seems truly horrendous...
I'm about 1k+ hours in darktide and vt2, still find myself learning a lot from your videos. Definitely the best darktide build videos I've seen on ytb so far.
Thanks for bringing in someone more familiar with ogryn. I love my big guy. Im a higher end player, so his slugglish style just makes my Adhd zealot brain go crazy. I appreciate him saying it was more casual because it really does feel that way.
Zealot book will always be S tier for me, getting that insane damage reduction/toughness for my team and staggering every single enemy in the game is just too good. Im surprised you dont fw it damn shame
sometimes it is need just one use for kill monsters, even solo if you have right place. It is like stun pause in battlefield, for revive, or save, or kill. countdown stim ❤
Fury of the faithful when combined with the crit increase in combat ability regeneration along with three curio boosts on combat ability regen. This turns into an endless one hit crit through a whole match. It's fun for a novelty. Btw, love your channel and you're personally responsible for taking my gameplay to such a higher level. I never thought I'd be able to play with even level five's and now I'm regularly holding my own and having a blast with Auric matches. Thanks for all your work!!!
I'm an Ogryn main of 200 hours and I'd push back on the Taunt a bit. Because it has an effective range, and although it lasts for twenty seconds or whatever, every afflicted enemy should be dead within five seconds on a good team thanks to that damage increase. In the hardest missions new Specials and Elites are pouring in each second and they are not taunted. There's also the Shove Taunting if all you really want is to pull aggro on groups. The damage increase does not apply to shove-taunted enemies. There's the Slab Shield's blocking gunshots which insta-taunts enemies at infinite range. They just put away their gun and start walking toward you - effectively pacified for you and your team. Taunt is still good in casual play! But I'm skeptical of it at the highest levels if we presume your teammates are making competent choices and want to stay moving. That's the environment where Charge comes just a little bit ahead.
Hey, I wanted to say I really appreciate that you included a tier list for casuals. I usually am a tryhard in Darktide so the insight is really useful BUT Often times I like to just jump on the game with my friends after work, put on a Damnation/Malice mission and just clicky click enemies die and have some fun and laughs with friends. And actually this video made me realize that I take different skill trees in both of those scenarios. Scrier's Gaze is extremely good, but when I want to have fun? It is kind of boring. It just makes your numbers bigger. So I take something else when I want to have fun.
Im so glad you're posting darktide content again! I recently bought the game as it was dirt cheap on a steam sale and even your content from 9+ months ago has been so insightful for me. Thank you for your efforts! I do have a question for you Las Recon vs Columnus on Gun Psyker which should I go for/which is better? Also is your Gun Psyker build from a while ago still viable/good after the Unlocked and Loaded changes?
Is gun pskyer worse than launch sister of the thorn at breaking balance of their respective games? I remember sister completely ruining legend and making cata fairly easy as a casual.
this is a good question. and honestly? probably not sister made healing 2 times as efficient if i remember right. gaze only breaks the power dynamic of one player sister was INSANE for her offensive single player power but what broke her was easily the doubling of temp gained.
I would say that the Ogre's Charge ability has one more layer to it and that would be an ability to reposition yourself into more suitable position, since the charge allows you to force your way through any horde, unless there is a literal boss. You can get to explosive barrel, pick-up, or downed ally. At least, that's why I run it on my build...
As a more casual person Immolation grenades and Brain Burst are both great for covering weak-spots in load outs when I have to be able to do everything because its a coin flip on if my team can either take care of X enemy type or if they are even alive to deal with them. BB especially with its auto attack option now that it no longer always hits the horde is just extra damage to dangerous targets. Thanks for the list, making me want to go play some different builds after getting stuck playing the same 1-2 per class for the past half year.
Not even the best part of shout + confirmed, the regeneration regenerates gold toughness up to the cap as long as it isn't broken. So until it wears off you're wearing the golden fuck you armor until it would time out. Also, rock.
I will admit if it wasn't for this ancient knowledge being bestowed upon me I would still be terrible at the game! So I thank you Mr. Tanner Lindberg for yet another wonderfully informative video with no held bars and someone genuinely acting like themselves in a video.
Hi Tanner, could you please make guide for each class of how you would build them, assuming you would be more casual player. A lot of builds require very high skill, can you build each class for - less adept player ?
I will never understand how zealot was cooked, half his stuff is neither fun or effective to use in the tree and the other half is "see this boss? no you don't". Great vid as always, glad to see a the comparisons between the two sides of darktide, both for the fart smellas and the smart fellas.
Like many others have said, I appreciate your DT content. I’ve leaned a ton about the game and have improved a lot from watching you. DT is weird where most of the creators making build vids do not know what is good and most of the good players don’t make build or info videos. You fill a gap for folks who actually want to learn and improve.
I love this list. I think it's pretty true and I realize that at a couple hundred hours I am a casual. I'm okay with that I think the term is what turns some people off. My team of four casuals can get through most fives without a problem, none of us will solo it that's okay. What does this list do is open my eyes to a few ideas that it didn't even think about so thanks for this.
The comment got too long, so I’m shorting it Firstly, from the bottom of my heart, thank you for everything you’ve made And the hard work you’ve put into it even though nobody respected it like there are people who do, but there is a large majority of the sub Reddit whoever just been piles of shit Thank you so much for being awesome and you know without the information you brought to light I would’ve never been able to make good loadouts or even remotely know which blessings are actually good Thanks I was able to enjoy the game. I broke my computer. I’m a dumbass. Other subject the newest video you posted thank you. Holy crap somebody needed to say it again. I really wish angry Joe made a review and said you done fucked it up. About space marine 2 I noticed the comments were paused, and I wanted to give my support there, but I couldn’t so I’m putting it here even if it’s not the same subject as the video This is a really good list too. This is the things I like which I can completely understand not everything‘s good. And so far pretty good holy shit it’s great how you make this and it actually makes sense. Well if I go to watch somebody else’s video they make it sound really superficial and big like it’s actually important and then you realize oh wait this is like a one percent buff this does fucking nothing
can u ask @Jeficus what curio to use for ogryn cuz everywhere i go they tell me to take sniper resist gunner resist and i hate it when i tell them i dont want to take it and they reply me with im trash wtf?
sniper and gunner resit are purely for bad players. if you get hit enough by them that you are giving up active benefits then i dont know what to say other than skill issue.
@@TannerLindberg i think that too,and im trying this class cuz got bore with other class and when i try to know how to build this class every youtuber say "you gonna take sniper and gunner resist cuz u are ogryn u soo big" and i say and can deal with that by using my brain and not even need to take that as curio, so if u have any idea what should i take or know someone good with ogryn can u ask him? maybe make a video about it so ogryn player dont need to role play as stupid as ogryn.also good contant luv u bro.
Gunner damage resist makes the most sense with one or two. I agree that sniper damage resist is not necessary at all. I think relying on both of these too much is bad because they aren't boosting the performance of fundamental gameplay.
The amount of times I’m stun locked by gunners is insignificant compared to the other utility I could have. (I typically play higher diff standard but can also do fine in Auric with a good team)
Executioner's stance for Veteran also makes more weapons useful at longer ranges, such as making braced autoguns useful at longer range. Graia braced autogun can chew up everything short range, but turn on Executioner's stance and you can get snipers at 50 meters with a burst if you have deadshot as well. You basically get the accuracy that the Columnus / Vraks already has through deadshot alone.
@@prich0382my aim with the braced autogun is a thousand times better than my aim with an autogun. Also braced feels much better to use at longer ranges columnus always feels like a close ranged smg.
@@infrared6973 Which doesn't make sense, Normal Autogun guns are more accurate, all what you tell me means you are bad at aiming and getting carried by spread eventually working, but same exact thing happens with normal auto guns. The point of Braced to close range shooting because of the large spread
So... you did have at least one very important piece of insight about taunt that will be changing how i run my middle of tree ogryn, and its a problem i had begun to consider; shield is a trap.
Very good video, very informative, and I like that you did 2 charts for casuals and tryhards too cuz I consider myself as a casual who learn and maybe after some time be a tryhard, however I see little chance for it cuz I am 37 and I feel my reflexes are not as at 20 years ago. :) Jesus it hurts even when I write it down. :D So a suggestion: With the new patch it could be good if you do a chart for the weapon modifiers meaning what to "sacrifice" for what? Seek for 80-80-80-80-60 Or try to find a balance? If so, what to choose to sacrifice for what? I know it probably depends on the class using it and on the build but it can be informative cuz I tought that on weapons what has mobility, I should choose that to be 60% but now I starting to realize that maybe its not a good idea on higher levels cuz I have to dodge and run and reposition constantly. However with a psyker I probably will sacrifice quell speed when I use venting sriek cuz I literally dont need to quell or only for a little duration but now I use my burner psyker with force sword like this: Use primary and secondary on staff to stack up soulblaze, use vent is I reach 100% or overuse it, and if I dont have the skill at 100% and reached 99% peril I just switch to my sword and chop some until it gets lower. Its a new playstyle for me, but I enjoy it.
I love veteran stealth + saw axe special attack to boost zoomies super fast around the map. Grinding enemies away is nice, those with armor are soft as plushie for me. Also sniper stance is good with bolt pistol, I adore fighting with 80 snipers running around, while I regen ability by one-shotting each of them, wasting all the ammo in backup. I love veteran
Shredders I've not played the game long enough to know where to put them and it always just feels like "yeah I mean, it just killed 7 standard enemies, that's pretty nice" but hearing what you've been saying perhaps I'll give it another chance. I've always used Krak because I just really enjoy slapping it on a Bulwarks shield and killing them instantly through shield.
can you give advice on an optimized zealot build that's a bit more accessible to play? what weapons and talents should people who cant aim throwing knives bring into auric pubs while still being as optimized as they can be to contribute or carry as best they can? Eviscerator/Revolver? Duelist Sword/Infantry Auto Mark 5? Your other meta builds are more or less accessible to intermediate players but zealot isn't, and it's hard to find other good resources that actually know what they're talking about.
personally, im surprised that veteran's smoke bomb isnt on the same side of the tree as its enemy highlighting power. i mean, isnt that like the idealized combo? dropping a smoke bomb and using your magic goggles to see thru it while the enemy cant?
Man I'm so glad Fatshark kept it so that Veteran aura situation is the same both pre and post Class overhaul patch....in that Survivalist is really the only choice. If I had to change the other vet Aura's so that people would at least consider them I'd change Fire team to give a +5% damage for each team member in coherency, with the max being 20% Close and Kill is a little tough to tweek if you don't want to completely change what it does, but yeah I agree making it so that it increases dodge distance is good as well. Although I'd buff it even more, I'd make it so that the effects of the aura double when there's an enemy in close range.
Hey this video kinds blew up and was thrown together very quickly. And I'd change alot
I'd put blazing piety in s tier. Ogryns charge and heavy hitter in s tier and weapon specialist in s tier and move marlsmans focus and momentum down alot.
Do you have a TL;DR for why you'd make those changes?
YEAH TANNER, answer Jay!! Or ELSE
Making tierlists for both pros and casuals is a great idea it honestly coveres everything people would like to know about these nodes
The Casual category they seem to occasionally confuse casual with newbs. Like Smite is good for newbs, but not high level casuals.
@@michaellee4276 that's ok though it's much better than most tier lists and they tried.
Loner could be kind of interesting if it just increased the coherency bonus by 1 for everyone in coherency range. It needs some kind of team effect
Emperor always in coherency with us
Yeah, and then the team could have 5 coherency. Call it "Never alone".
@@MyRedHulk Or something like "Emperor with us" :D
Finally I will know what to think
This guy is a pro youtuber watcher.
Finally, i can form a thought
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@@TannerLindberg dawg idk who you are but you are so annoying i clicked off the video in the first 1:15 you come off as condescending and it’s impossible to sit through 2 hours of that. If you want you’re channel to grow you gotta put more effort in being likeable even if you are correct
I just got the game today on ps5 but im not playing because i need 2 optimization.
0:35 Ability
27:55 Blitz
1:01:15 Aura
1:21:41 Keystone
1:49:00 Organizing
2:04:18 Final Tier lists
FOR OGRYN ONLY
20:38 Ability
56:30 Rock
1:18:48 Aura
1:45:30 Keystone
@@andy_hk rock
@@wwfof rock
1:05:45 y'all forgot to timestamp that passionate rant about Beacon of Purity that was pure gold
I am always incredibly entertained by how genuine you are Tanner. “I think X, here’s why” and “Here’s my knowledge base and past that I don’t know shit” so rarely coexists.
Edit: Also the incendiary grenades make you basically immune to dogs. Nice for casual.
hey thank you.
@@TannerLindberg 🫶
I'm glad you pointed this out. The trendier creators tend to ramble on and say random shit and point out the obvious and don't organise what they mean at all. It's soooo tiring. 😅
Now we need a 10 hour tier list of every talent
even Tanner can't resist the charm of the rock
This is a great idea
@@TannerLindberg Seconded, make it so Number One o7
The Rock is great if you have a shotgun-type ranged weapon so you can deal with snipers or other stuff at range imo
Darktide content, we’re so back.
@@benclark3457 bro tf calm down. its just a video no need to get worked up about it idk even know who this youtuber is but this is just a rude comment.
@@benclark3457 why are you so rude? Im just saying calling people deluded just because of a video they watched or youtuber they might like is not an ok thing to do..
@@ShadowEevee_117 "calm down" to the wrong person
@@mediumgentium huh?
@ShadowEevee_117 sorry that's a VERY common reaction people have to me. The more toxic elements of the darktide community find it fun to constantly harrass and troll me.
Part of that is insiting everything o say is wrong and everyone who listens to anything i say os stupid
Me, opening this up: "Oh nice Tanner posted a quick 2 minute video about darktide."
20 minutes later: "...wait"
As a console darktide player, the zealot throwing knife is especially ass because the of the button layout. It’s the only grenade where this really matters, but trying to aim, move, and dodge while pressing the D-pad to throw it is really hard.
what the fuck? that sounds like ass
Im very good with throwing knives and I have to press down on my D pad to use them. You just have to get used to them and doing the penance helped me with them. Also you just line up the sights of your guns with the enemy and then press the button its rather easy.
U can change ur button layout if that helps
@@cheese_man5105 there is only one button layout on console that allows you to dodge and jump with different buttons and its back button dodge or something like that. Mind boggling to me we cant customize controls and that out of 7 different schemes only one is worth using. Fatshark doing fatshark things.
Change your controller layout to the one where knife throw is on r1.
Its life-changing.
love when you're talking about Martyrdom you say "you can die in two hits from anything" and legit every single time I'm playing at low health I'm thinking just don't get hit twice like its a mantra.
honestly tho as a martyrdom main, it needs a rework. imo some way to negate small hits, gold toughness, or cooldown reduction would be the biggest help. The play pattern is basically just play aggressively until you're low. Then when you're low use toughness damage reduction and Fury of the Faithful to keep your toughness at max, and then Until Death for when you inevitably screw up, and Holy Revenant so you don't die to the tinniest bit of bleedthru afterwards. But the most important part of that is Fury of the Faithful to give you back toughness instantly after you get hit. So literally any way to negate the small hits more would drastically increase the viability.
this is the ENTIRE problem with martydom. the fact that you can now just blow up and die to small hits. it either takes a ton of work to set it up where you have like 2 wounds left. or you just say fuck it and play on really low hp. or you force proc holy rev to auto your self to low hp. the problem with those options is dying in like one tiny bit of bleed through.
It at least needs to do something when you have corruption and when you have not lost HP.
There are layers of shit on how bad wound curios are, those needed to be fixed 1st.
But before they are fixed marty should just do following.
Double the bonuses
Make it so non corrupted wounds count for the 50% of the bonus
Would it be op? Idk
Would it be better than knoife/duel zealot? No
I like then conceptually, cuz slow weapons are objectively worse than fast weapons - for the crit and mobility keystone. So the marty tree with its baked in attack speed sounds like a good TH idea
But then its made in THE most toxic way "stay on low hp, dont heal!"
In VT2 it worked, here it doesnt
@@adamszitas8564 when I was trying martydom I identified main problem to be the bleed through damage, so I would LOVE for them to add just a single node to the capstone: "-15% bleed through damage for each lost wound" and that's it, it's fixed.
I just wish bleedthrough damage didn't exist and toughness was an actual overshield. They'd have to reduce the amount of toughness you can get to deal with it, but I wouldn't care. Toughness being a real overshield is both way more intuitive and allows Martyrdom to work properly.
Tanner, you've effectively made me 10x better at DT simply through actually informative videos. Cannot thank you enough for that, the game is so much more enjoyable with the things Ive learned from your insights.
well thanks thats a nice thing to say :D
I like smite because with that heavy node plus the stun baton makes the enemies glow funny
well im glad you enjoy playing the game at least
yessss, my favorite daktide youtuber finally makes new darktide content! :D
well im glad im someones favorite
@@TannerLindbergunironically the most cracked min-maxxer.
@@TannerLindberg there is so much good information in your videos, helped me a ton and I keep finding new interactions as i watch this video (had no clue uncanny worked on your burn/blaze for example)
@@TannerLindberg You are also my favorite youtuber period, I have thousands and thousands of hours on horde shooters and I am very greatful with the knowledge you provided, it also increased my critical skills in the theory crafting aspect. Most youtubers just give shit information and I am just sick of it to be frank.
Thanks Tanner.
@@TannerLindbergmine too
Executioner stance is my favorite Vet ult. Honestly i use it for the highlighting more than anything else. Having that information to ve able to have effecient target priority helps a ton. Takes almoat all the work out of identifying what the threats are.
VoC is definitely the best vet ult but I think it's boring to use.
Glad you're back in darktide man. I only found you after you'd backed out for your own mental which I respect. I struggle with self control and respect you coming back to something that was difficult for you. Shows a lot of growth to face that again. Thank you for sharing your expertise
nice to see you're back doing Darktide, picked up the game not too long ago and you've been easily one of the most informative on how stuff works. I'm still not that great but your Darktide basics and skills from a meta perspective videos have drastically helped me.
oh and another thing but do you happen to have a discord I could join?
Same here. Just started playing about a week or so ago and i made one of each class and tend to bounce around between them. Now that i’ve been getting closer to lvl 30 on my characters and almost able to utilize all the talent points, i’ve been looking for a couple of good builds for each class… and my lord, literally every video i’ve watched(which wasn’t a whole lot thankfully) was saying things that completely contradicted my gut instinct i’ve developed towards talent tree synergy/building from my extensive experience playing MMO’s my whole life(I’m 29 atm). Untill i came across this channel today which confirmed my suspicions that something wasn’t right in a lot of the advice i was hearing lol. Like for example a lot of psyker build vids will tell you take shield over vent and scriers. Tends to be an issue with games that aren’t in the main stream of popularity.
Thanks for coming back man. When I started watching your videos, I got a lot better at Darktide. Been missing your input.
I just had a very shit day, but thanks to this video It's less shitty
Thank you Tanner(I also really like your darktide videos)
Hey that's a really nice thing to say thank you :D
Not finished with the video but I love how y'all take into account the casual side of the game
plan: TRUSTED
JEFFICUS. Jokes aside, actually peak content.
Points made and presented very well, the split on hyper optimized and more casual-friendly viability is very handy.
Also mad props on the delivery, you are making great strides in making your arguments good in both form and content. Your efforts show, chief!
The hidden advantage of ogryn taunt is that it staggers specials/elites in the AoE. Ironbreaker taunt had the same thing. Can free people from dogs and interrupt netters, flamers and bombers through the horde long enough to melee them.
"I wish I was a casual"
If someone told me Tanner said this even as a joke I would never believe them. But here we are.
Super happy to see this. As a casual who likes to be well informed about the ticks and tocks of this game im super glad to see Tanner making this. Thank you for your continued service to the Darktide community regardless of their ignorance and dickheadetry towards you. You too JEFICUS
honey bust out the fine china! tanners back to darktide
I think something that's worth mentioning (on the Casual side) is that as far as I know auras do not stack. There is no benefit to bringing 2 Survivalist Auras, for instance, you don't gain double the benefit. So in that instance, when I join a lobby and there's already a Survivalist Vet in the team, I take Fire Team or Close & Kill. Might as well give 5% more damage or 5% more movement speed, as it's better than nothing.
A use case of the immolation grenade which I think was missed out for casual play is protecting yourself or teammates while doing minigames. It won't stop elites, obviously, but if your teammates are particularly hopeless at protecting the person doing a minigame, an immolation grenade will prevent trash from interrupting you. This is more useful on Rolling Steel than most levels due to the time pressure, as you'll want to be doing the minigame even when it is pretty unsafe to do so.
Making Martyrdom give you Vermintide temp hp would be pretty cool.
They did add 'when you die, don't' with the psyker 'if you overload with perils, you just take the wound but don't go down', so why isn't that on Martyrdom?
Personally I thought it would be neat if they made it like, a buff that switches what it does as you lose wounds? At high wounds you get... I dunno, Toughness Res or CDR per wound, something, and then you replace that with the attack speed and damage (which gets buffed to not suck, ofc) or something.
As a filthy casual, I appreciate the pro/casual tiers. It really helps translate a lot of guides where youll see people just say one key skill is busted but then you try it and it feels like trash.
Ill probably never play auric maelstrom but its nice knowing how to tighten up a build when I want to try something harder
The best thing about shredders are their versatility. A big horde is in your face? Spam all your grenades and watch as everything dies. One of your comrades have run of to find more plasteel? Throw that bitch half way across the map when he has two crushers on his ass. Need to by time when your VoC is on cooldown? No worries you have your friendly shredders to help by time. Down right broken if you know what your doing as a vet.
Gonna be watching this later today. Tanner, i find your darktide content to be really helpful! Love your stuff man, hope you keep making content 😊
Also your content got me able to win at least auric 5 histig consistently.
hey thank you
Martydom is SO BAAAD. Its interesting, its unique. With the correct build you can make yourself decently tanky, making some of the worst parts of zealots tree weirdly viable, but far from good. Still, martydom enables a bad playstyle and its benefits arent even worth it. Its benefits need to be unironically doubled to save the keystone. And unless they've changed it, you literally cant get the full benefit of marytdom. The max wounds being 7, you can never physically reach the 7th stack. You will only ever at one point have a martydom working at 6 wounds.
But truth be told, zealot needs some reworking. The middle tree in its entirety needs love. And loner needs to be changed into something else 100%. I love these skills trees to death, but the fact loner ever made it into the game, in a game like this, is amazing.
i wish it would get buffed. it needs someone to stop a down.
I just want to thank you for your content, you've made me a better player, and made me have more fun in the game by virtue of feeling myself progress.
Also you're genuinely entertaining, keep up the good work.
You should do this for weapons and/or blessings and perks as well, it was was good to hear all these in depth explanations of what’s good/what’s bad but also *how* bad or *how* good something is. Actually very helpful for returning players like me who might know there way around the basics of Darktide but are just totally lost with everything that’s been added since I stopped playing a while ago.
This vid has a lot of good info for someone new, Thank you. From all the changes there isn't enough info for me to find what I'm looking for outside of previous patch notes or out of date videos. This does a good job going into detail on why something is good or bad.
i've played a lot of this game 3 beers in just smashing quickplay. i love the perspective of the casual and sweaty tierlists being seperated, and i can confirm from my ... adventures that the first is VERY accurate.
These darktide videos + underrail video have been really big help, cheers.
Also nice to see you talking about Ogryn for once
I am going to study this video religiously, you've opened my eyes to fatal flaws countless times in my own home cooked builds many times before, thank you for your research, it's done me wonders since I started watching your guides.
I wish more TH-camrs could be like you. Maybe then the problems in Space Marine 2 might be taken more seriously rather than having a constant giga-glaze of space marine's "lore accuracy" of obscene proportions where criticism will be deemed as "bait" or "simply hating".
Nevertheless! Awesome video as always Tanner!
Thanks for adding the casual section to this, I have a buddy of mine that I managed to convince to start playing on his xbox- thing is he can only play like 1 hour every session so he will never be at the same commitment level as someone like me to the game. I told him to pick up knives on his zealot and I realize that might be a mistake now given where he is at in the learning curve of the game.
Always love the videos. This is honestly probably the best darktide breakdown video ever.
From my experience doing classes penances, those low tiers bring back so many pain and trauma.
Muted?
Eyy, glad to see this pop up on the timeline. I'd say I've got most my builds figured out and effective but its always good to see what insight you'll offer as by and large one of the best players.
Also your SM2 patch video... Gods. I havent gotten to play yet but from what you said about it, it seems truly horrendous...
Please, Mr. Tanner, bless us with Smoke Grenades tutorial, this community NEEDS IT
I'm about 1k+ hours in darktide and vt2, still find myself learning a lot from your videos.
Definitely the best darktide build videos I've seen on ytb so far.
Good to see another darktide video from you again :)
I really appreciated the 2 separate tierlists and the explanation for both. Love the in depth blunt no frills analysis.
Tanner is literally Scout from TF2 talking about Darktide skills and i love it!
Love the darktide videos the most informative out there
Glad to have you back! Keen to see more dark tide content
Thanks for bringing in someone more familiar with ogryn. I love my big guy. Im a higher end player, so his slugglish style just makes my Adhd zealot brain go crazy. I appreciate him saying it was more casual because it really does feel that way.
Ty tanner for the great info as always
Great to see you back on darktide content
Zealot book will always be S tier for me, getting that insane damage reduction/toughness for my team and staggering every single enemy in the game is just too good. Im surprised you dont fw it damn shame
sometimes it is need just one use for kill monsters, even solo if you have right place. It is like stun pause in battlefield, for revive, or save, or kill.
countdown stim ❤
Fury of the faithful when combined with the crit increase in combat ability regeneration along with three curio boosts on combat ability regen. This turns into an endless one hit crit through a whole match. It's fun for a novelty. Btw, love your channel and you're personally responsible for taking my gameplay to such a higher level. I never thought I'd be able to play with even level five's and now I'm regularly holding my own and having a blast with Auric matches. Thanks for all your work!!!
I'm an Ogryn main of 200 hours and I'd push back on the Taunt a bit. Because it has an effective range, and although it lasts for twenty seconds or whatever, every afflicted enemy should be dead within five seconds on a good team thanks to that damage increase. In the hardest missions new Specials and Elites are pouring in each second and they are not taunted. There's also the Shove Taunting if all you really want is to pull aggro on groups. The damage increase does not apply to shove-taunted enemies. There's the Slab Shield's blocking gunshots which insta-taunts enemies at infinite range. They just put away their gun and start walking toward you - effectively pacified for you and your team. Taunt is still good in casual play! But I'm skeptical of it at the highest levels if we presume your teammates are making competent choices and want to stay moving. That's the environment where Charge comes just a little bit ahead.
Could we possibly get new builds for the new meta?
Hey, I wanted to say I really appreciate that you included a tier list for casuals.
I usually am a tryhard in Darktide so the insight is really useful
BUT
Often times I like to just jump on the game with my friends after work, put on a Damnation/Malice mission and just clicky click enemies die and have some fun and laughs with friends.
And actually this video made me realize that I take different skill trees in both of those scenarios. Scrier's Gaze is extremely good, but when I want to have fun? It is kind of boring. It just makes your numbers bigger. So I take something else when I want to have fun.
oh nice, i feel like this is more chill than other vids(? haven't watched in awhile) and i like that
Really great video, just started darktide and this is very helpful
Im so glad you're posting darktide content again! I recently bought the game as it was dirt cheap on a steam sale and even your content from 9+ months ago has been so insightful for me. Thank you for your efforts! I do have a question for you Las Recon vs Columnus on Gun Psyker which should I go for/which is better?
Also is your Gun Psyker build from a while ago still viable/good after the Unlocked and Loaded changes?
Is gun pskyer worse than launch sister of the thorn at breaking balance of their respective games? I remember sister completely ruining legend and making cata fairly easy as a casual.
this is a good question. and honestly? probably not sister made healing 2 times as efficient if i remember right. gaze only breaks the power dynamic of one player sister was INSANE for her offensive single player power but what broke her was easily the doubling of temp gained.
Since there’s no other way to reach you I’ll ask here, are you going to review the new difficulty and modifiers in Space marine 2?
The update video was depressingly bad
2 Hours of a turbo gamer talking about basically everything in the game? Sign me the fuck up lol
I would say that the Ogre's Charge ability has one more layer to it and that would be an ability to reposition yourself into more suitable position, since the charge allows you to force your way through any horde, unless there is a literal boss. You can get to explosive barrel, pick-up, or downed ally. At least, that's why I run it on my build...
D tier for Preacher and bottom ranking Psyker wall??? Ummmmm, hello, Ordo Malleus? Yeah this guy right here. Yes Cyclonic Torpedos please.
Psyker wall is legitimately awful
@@TannerLindberg But it is pretty good for me on aurics when using the dome, or is this for just the standard blitzes and not the sub-modifiers?
All of the sub modifiers are taken into account.
We rated bubble very highly for worse players and very low for better ones for a reason. It makes up for alot of lacking positional awareness
Ogryn actually gets +2 Big Bombs from Enhanced Blitz. So 3 total! BOOOOOM!!!
I always give my Ogryns headsup that I run Field Improv just for this.
As a more casual person Immolation grenades and Brain Burst are both great for covering weak-spots in load outs when I have to be able to do everything because its a coin flip on if my team can either take care of X enemy type or if they are even alive to deal with them. BB especially with its auto attack option now that it no longer always hits the horde is just extra damage to dangerous targets.
Thanks for the list, making me want to go play some different builds after getting stuck playing the same 1-2 per class for the past half year.
Me having insane amounts of fun with EP/Assail/Shriek XD (although I should switch to DD since I missed the change lol)
Jokes aside, great content!
Not even the best part of shout + confirmed, the regeneration regenerates gold toughness up to the cap as long as it isn't broken. So until it wears off you're wearing the golden fuck you armor until it would time out.
Also, rock.
Really enjoyed and appreciate this vid
"it would STIIIILL BE TRAAASSHHH!!!" like a shit talking pro wrestler, that shit killed me
Do you wanna do a 4 psyker smite only auric run?
your columnus talk for marksmans seems interesting, have you ever posted a build with it?
I will admit if it wasn't for this ancient knowledge being bestowed upon me I would still be terrible at the game! So I thank you Mr. Tanner Lindberg for yet another wonderfully informative video with no held bars and someone genuinely acting like themselves in a video.
Hi Tanner, could you please make guide for each class of how you would build them, assuming you would be more casual player. A lot of builds require very high skill, can you build each class for - less adept player ?
As an avid auric only martyrdom player i agree with your proposed changes
I will never understand how zealot was cooked, half his stuff is neither fun or effective to use in the tree and the other half is "see this boss? no you don't".
Great vid as always, glad to see a the comparisons between the two sides of darktide, both for the fart smellas and the smart fellas.
good to have you back tanner. do you have any tips for maximizing voidstrike dps in auric for a newer player?
Another banger Tanner!
If only any of these perks were as strong as 50 Destruction on Skyrim Requiem.
He can never escape
Like many others have said, I appreciate your DT content. I’ve leaned a ton about the game and have improved a lot from watching you. DT is weird where most of the creators making build vids do not know what is good and most of the good players don’t make build or info videos. You fill a gap for folks who actually want to learn and improve.
"A casual with 200 hours"
I love this list. I think it's pretty true and I realize that at a couple hundred hours I am a casual. I'm okay with that I think the term is what turns some people off. My team of four casuals can get through most fives without a problem, none of us will solo it that's okay. What does this list do is open my eyes to a few ideas that it didn't even think about so thanks for this.
The comment got too long, so I’m shorting it
Firstly, from the bottom of my heart, thank you for everything you’ve made
And the hard work you’ve put into it even though nobody respected it like there are people who do, but there is a large majority of the sub Reddit whoever just been piles of shit
Thank you so much for being awesome and you know without the information you brought to light I would’ve never been able to make good loadouts or even remotely know which blessings are actually good
Thanks I was able to enjoy the game. I broke my computer. I’m a dumbass.
Other subject the newest video you posted thank you. Holy crap somebody needed to say it again.
I really wish angry Joe made a review and said you done fucked it up.
About space marine 2
I noticed the comments were paused, and I wanted to give my support there, but I couldn’t so I’m putting it here even if it’s not the same subject as the video
This is a really good list too. This is the things I like which I can completely understand not everything‘s good.
And so far pretty good holy shit it’s great how you make this and it actually makes sense. Well if I go to watch somebody else’s video they make it sound really superficial and big like it’s actually important and then you realize oh wait this is like a one percent buff this does fucking nothing
can u ask @Jeficus what curio to use for ogryn cuz everywhere i go they tell me to take sniper resist gunner resist and i hate it when i tell them i dont want to take it and they reply me with im trash wtf?
sniper and gunner resit are purely for bad players. if you get hit enough by them that you are giving up active benefits then i dont know what to say other than skill issue.
@@TannerLindberg i think that too,and im trying this class cuz got bore with other class and when i try to know how to build this class every youtuber say "you gonna take sniper and gunner resist cuz u are ogryn u soo big" and i say and can deal with that by using my brain and not even need to take that as curio, so if u have any idea what should i take or know someone good with ogryn can u ask him? maybe make a video about it so ogryn player dont need to role play as stupid as ogryn.also good contant luv u bro.
Gunner damage resist makes the most sense with one or two. I agree that sniper damage resist is not necessary at all.
I think relying on both of these too much is bad because they aren't boosting the performance of fundamental gameplay.
@@OrAngelicBlitz8633 so what if i dont what to use it what is there to take that is good for try hard that benafit me.
The amount of times I’m stun locked by gunners is insignificant compared to the other utility I could have.
(I typically play higher diff standard but can also do fine in Auric with a good team)
Having to run loner for the achievement feels so fucking bad.
Executioner's stance for Veteran also makes more weapons useful at longer ranges, such as making braced autoguns useful at longer range. Graia braced autogun can chew up everything short range, but turn on Executioner's stance and you can get snipers at 50 meters with a burst if you have deadshot as well. You basically get the accuracy that the Columnus / Vraks already has through deadshot alone.
It's more relevant for casual players to whom turning even the machine gun into a sniper is a big bonus. It makes the game a lot easier for them
Why use a Braced Autogun when you can just use a Normal Autogun which is better?
Columnus still exists people, whatever the new name is
@@prich0382 Not denying that, I even further clarified it helps make bad guns better
@@prich0382my aim with the braced autogun is a thousand times better than my aim with an autogun. Also braced feels much better to use at longer ranges columnus always feels like a close ranged smg.
@@infrared6973 Which doesn't make sense, Normal Autogun guns are more accurate, all what you tell me means you are bad at aiming and getting carried by spread eventually working, but same exact thing happens with normal auto guns. The point of Braced to close range shooting because of the large spread
The KING has returned to darktide baby.
So... you did have at least one very important piece of insight about taunt that will be changing how i run my middle of tree ogryn, and its a problem i had begun to consider; shield is a trap.
WE ARE SO BACK!
Very good video, very informative, and I like that you did 2 charts for casuals and tryhards too cuz I consider myself as a casual who learn and maybe after some time be a tryhard, however I see little chance for it cuz I am 37 and I feel my reflexes are not as at 20 years ago. :) Jesus it hurts even when I write it down. :D So a suggestion: With the new patch it could be good if you do a chart for the weapon modifiers meaning what to "sacrifice" for what? Seek for 80-80-80-80-60 Or try to find a balance? If so, what to choose to sacrifice for what? I know it probably depends on the class using it and on the build but it can be informative cuz I tought that on weapons what has mobility, I should choose that to be 60% but now I starting to realize that maybe its not a good idea on higher levels cuz I have to dodge and run and reposition constantly. However with a psyker I probably will sacrifice quell speed when I use venting sriek cuz I literally dont need to quell or only for a little duration but now I use my burner psyker with force sword like this: Use primary and secondary on staff to stack up soulblaze, use vent is I reach 100% or overuse it, and if I dont have the skill at 100% and reached 99% peril I just switch to my sword and chop some until it gets lower. Its a new playstyle for me, but I enjoy it.
I love veteran stealth + saw axe special attack to boost zoomies super fast around the map. Grinding enemies away is nice, those with armor are soft as plushie for me.
Also sniper stance is good with bolt pistol, I adore fighting with 80 snipers running around, while I regen ability by one-shotting each of them, wasting all the ammo in backup. I love veteran
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What are the breakpoints for the ogryn +heavy melee damage aura?
Shredders I've not played the game long enough to know where to put them and it always just feels like "yeah I mean, it just killed 7 standard enemies, that's pretty nice" but hearing what you've been saying perhaps I'll give it another chance. I've always used Krak because I just really enjoy slapping it on a Bulwarks shield and killing them instantly through shield.
can you give advice on an optimized zealot build that's a bit more accessible to play? what weapons and talents should people who cant aim throwing knives bring into auric pubs while still being as optimized as they can be to contribute or carry as best they can? Eviscerator/Revolver? Duelist Sword/Infantry Auto Mark 5? Your other meta builds are more or less accessible to intermediate players but zealot isn't, and it's hard to find other good resources that actually know what they're talking about.
personally, im surprised that veteran's smoke bomb isnt on the same side of the tree as its enemy highlighting power. i mean, isnt that like the idealized combo? dropping a smoke bomb and using your magic goggles to see thru it while the enemy cant?
I love zealot's charge because of playstyle and gameplay it provides. Just having more fun using it.
Man I'm so glad Fatshark kept it so that Veteran aura situation is the same both pre and post Class overhaul patch....in that Survivalist is really the only choice.
If I had to change the other vet Aura's so that people would at least consider them I'd change Fire team to give a +5% damage for each team member in coherency, with the max being 20%
Close and Kill is a little tough to tweek if you don't want to completely change what it does, but yeah I agree making it so that it increases dodge distance is good as well. Although I'd buff it even more, I'd make it so that the effects of the aura double when there's an enemy in close range.