Gears 3 had to be my favorite horde mode, I loved grinding for upgrade levels on my buildables rather than grinding for cards. Also loved the locust v human gamemode you could play as well
You mean beast mode? Yea, I feel gears hit its peak at 3. Franchise kinda went down hill after that. I mean, 4 picked up a little bit, but then as soon as 5 came out catering to all the blm and woke lgbqt bullshit, it hit a fuckin giant bump. Why the fuck video games went all political is beyond me. I mean, they're fuckin VIDEO GAMES. I guess in the end it's all about business. Sad.
I miss Gears of war 3 Horde mode because mainly the Locust and Lambent felt fair to fight. In Gears of war 5 the Elite drones drop you in 2 bullets without missing, the Sire grab onto you and give no chance to break out without teammates and that’s annoying cause I sometimes play by myself cause when I do play with others, they’re too busy getting clapped or shooting something else. And I miss how if a Locust or Lambent shot one another then a whole fight would happen. The Deebees, Swarm and Locust/ Lambent rarely do that.
I love playing medic, but i know its completely useless, i mean, i spend litteraly 2 to 3 full clips on an basic ennemi just to get it down. TO GET IT DOWN! all of my teammates only uses explosifs classes and took damage boost because its the only thing that actually do damage
Yeah I like Medic too but it’s so annoying being the support and being dang near useless damage wise cause everything else just kills you darn near instantly in the later stages of horde 😭 like sure it could be a skill issue but can I at least have a chance to run away without instantly dying to something that takes every bit of ammo I have and then some just to get downed😭😭
@@jag3rb0mb true you had to be there at the time and when you found out about it , it was amazing because all of sudden getting to high 40's was so cool after getting wrecked trying to play it the "right" way.
I'm very glad this just now got in my recommendations. As someone regularly plays Master Horde I'm rather interested in what a casual has to say about it. There are some parts that I agree and disagree. 2:20 I wish there were more Locust and Lambent enemies. I'm really glad that Michael Shannon managed to put it together for us all but with him leaving TC, there's not telling how good Horde 5.0 will turn out. I hope every single enemy from every game returns for it. You also forgot to mention how Palace Guards work in horde because they have one property that no other enemy has. The ability to pick up weapons from the ground and from weapons lockers. So that means Palace Guards can walk around with as far as I remember Boomshots, Scorchers, Cyro Cannons, Breaker Maces, Mulchers, and Buzzkills. All of which kill you way faster than the enemies that drop them for some reason. Palace Guards with scorchers can down you far more quickly than Flame Grenadiers with that pathetic amount of damage. 4:45 You say the guns are weak, you but you were using guns for classes that don't benefit much from it if it all. For example, around 4:40, you're using a Lancer GL which is honestly not a bad choice when you have explosive healing, but having Scorcher over the Dropshot is just not it. Primarily because Pilot doesn't reap nearly as much rewards from it as Brawler does and The Hammer cards makes the Dropshot a complete monster. It's really good against bosses especially against Kestrals and Swarmaks as shown here. At 4:46 I can tell you weren't using Personal Defense nor Custom Robotics so ofc the Enforcer is going to be shit when you don't even have the cards to increase the damage on it. Otherwise that Elite Grenadier would've been filled with triple digit damage numbers. That card combination can single-handedly kill a Salvo/Ice Scion in a single clip at close range if you also have Robotic Porting on. At 5:00, you were using a retro as Anchor which is pretty pointless considering the Boltok is Anchor's go to weapon. You output so much more damage with just upgrading Bloody Shoot to level 6 (which is a green card too) and perking up ammo regen to level 7 which basically gives you infinite ammo. At 5:25 you were again using a retro as Marksman when you should be using a precision based weapon like a Markza, Longshot, or EMBAR. If there's one class that reaps the most rewards from the retro it's Veteran since not only does Lancer stock make it a laser, but Headshot Master and Custom Lancer make it so enemies die in only a handful of seconds. The Retro in the hands of Nomad with execution build is also ok but you would rather use a Lancer or boltok with concussive shot card for that. It's also really useful against Guardian/Sentinel shields if there isn't a Marksman, Demo, Tact, Pilot, and/or MG Sentries anywhere. You can't claim the guns are shit while the guns you are using actually hurt the class you're playing as. The weapon you're supposed to use is based upon what class you're using. You can't expect to deal a whole lot of damage with the Lancer GL as Blademaster when the class is not suited for that weapon. Instead use the Breaker Mace since it's primarily a melee based class. It can annihilate late game Scions with Blade Dancer and Brawler cards equipped which deal I think 9000 damage per **swing** and way more with slam and also with bleed damage when perked up all the way. 5:27 I still don't understand why TC thought it was a good idea to do this when the previous game allowed people to pick whoever our favorite character is. The only reason why I tolerated it in Escape was because Hives typically last for roughly 10-20 minutes and are very fast paced in comparison to Horde if done correctly so I didn't have to play as exclusively Mac the whole time. 5:47 I wouldn't say half of them are useless. Some are better than others but to say only *half* of them are useful past wave 10 is just flat out wrong. I would really love to know which classes you think are deemed useful and which ones aren't since not only did you not them, but I can't really name a single class that's actually useless besides Architect and Protector I guess. Then again you have very low level classes and playing on below Master from what I'm seeing so your knowledge of is a bit limited. Trust me, when you get your class levels up (which is absurdly tedious), know the strats for them and play on Master difficulty, you'll see what I'm talking about when I say all but two classes are useful post wave 10. 6:10 I do agree with that the amount of classes is just too crowded imo. I wish for Horde 4.0 to similar to Gears 4 horde with 5 classes except make it a skill tree similar to Gears Tactic's class system if you're familiar with it. The only reason why the game has as many classes as it did was because I guess TC thought **every** character had to have a class as well. It could explain why OPs lasted for so long prior to OP6 iirc and why Paduk was the only COG character out of him, Dom, UIR soldier, and Jinn to have a class in OP4. 6:20 About your point of "Some classes don't even have the same amount of cards" sometimes less is more but I could clearly see it with the promo classes even with the buffs they got in OP7 (probably because TC didn't want them to be pay-to-win). Most of the cards aren't even that good lmao. Probably half the cards for each class are either trash or just inferior to the better cards the class has. For example, why would I use Shock Shield when Energy Surge provides much more overall sustainability. Why would I pick custom snub for Tact when Disciplined increases damage for all ballistic weapons including the snub and the better cards that class has have far more priority like Recharge Bounty, Shredder, Resupply Healing Module, and Resupply Duration. Speaking of "a few card upgrades." It actually makes a pretty significant difference. Specifically when you get all the good cards for a class up to level 5 or 6. The difference between a level 1 Shredder card for Demo/Tact vs. a level 5 Shredder card is so drastic that it's no wonder why those two classes are common place. Or the difference between a level 5 and level 6 Modified Longshot for Marksman. As far as I know, with maxed out Ambush, Exploit Weakness, and level 5 Modified Longshot won't 1 shot Scions but a level 6 will. It may seem small, but the difference is very noticeable. 8:25 That's honestly for the CQC classes which consist of Bladmaster, Infiltrator, Striker, and Protector since those classes are made to be played aggressively by doing damage way outside of the base at close range. 9:04 I really do not like how I cannot select custom mods even though daily mods have those. I would love to be able to have Even Stronger Enemies/Regen Scions but I can't do that unless the daily mods say so which is completely RNG btw. This video honestly has a lot of hot takes due to just lack of game knowledge which I don't really fault you for since your classes aren't that great yet but I can see why you have gripes with it. The game doesn't explain a whole lot to you and Gears players tend to be allergic to anything that is a Promo or a CQC class that isn't Infil so the average normie casual's knowledge will be forever skewed unless they actively look for how-to videos. I hope you give at least Blademaster a chance. The community could use more of those.
Protector is useless? Well to each his own I guess. I actually prefer Protector to Blademaster just because it plays much more consistently. Blademaster card effects are often circumstantial, like you have to be in Venom or near a tap. And you need to perk to do bleed damage in horde. I can't count the times when I got downed because I failed to notice that I was playing too far ahead of the Venom or wandered away from a tap. Also Protector has one big advantage. The weapon damage cards have a glitch where they also boost melee bleeds whenever the weapon is held. So the Protector's gnasher m45 card gives +60 to bleeds on top of the bloody blade's bonus. This works for the Blademaster's gnasher and claw cards too but those are purple cards and the Protector's are green; much easier to upgrade. So Blademaster definitely has more damage potential, but Protector starts off faster. Saying it's useless is a bit harsh imho.
Bad comment, Blademaster is useless and should be instantly kicked, Jack is useless except for revive, most classes are barely ok, only the demo class is any good.
personally, i think the classes add more replay value to horde. being able to level up each class and get new cards and upgrade existing cards is rewarding to me. continuing to play horde with the same class is fun to me, seeing how much stronger I am. as opposed to gears 2 and 3 where there's no non-cosmetic rewards at the end of each match and you will always be at the same level every time
i kinda disagree with this horde. I think this horde 4.0 made me love horde even more. With the different type of classes, i think its pretty cool that i can play it in many different ways. I would say the enemies is something i agree with 100%. I think there should be more different type of enemies
gears 3 horde is much harder than gears 5 and gears 2 is the easiest just because on some of the maps you can just place a shield down somewhere and than you can just shoot ‘em down and there is no boss wave in gears 2 and gears 4 horde was pretty unique when it first came out but in my opinion I would say gears 5 horde is more enjoyable in the long run than gears 3
facts idk why people shit on gears 5 so much. if you wanna say the story and characters are bad ok i absolutely agree… but the gameplay and multiplayer is the best its ever been in my opinion. and ik thats an unpopular opinion but oh well.
I disagree with most of this. Gears 5 has great enemy variety and the AI is great. Drones take up different angles around you and pour suppressing fire on your position. Grenadiers and Dropshot scions flush you out of cover and force you to either kill them or move. And they try to flank you too. If you concentrate on what is in front of you and leave your flank open you are dead. You might feel that the guns suck. That's by design. You can't just pick up a weapon in Master horde and expect to be effective. You have to understand the class bonuses, abilities, critical hit spots, and card bonuses to get kills. So for example you might be a Mechanic trying to get kills with a Gnasher, but you will quickly find that a Mechanic has no class bonuses for that gun. But if you give the same gun to the Infiltrator, who has a cards for it, can perk his shotgun damage, and can use his ultimate ability to get a 10x damage multiplier, he will absolutely slay almost any boss in the game. The unboosted vanilla damage of the guns is never enough in Master horde. You have to understand the systems and use them correctly. That is the skill of the game. Speaking of which, there might be a lot of classes, maybe even too many, but none of them is completely useless. Your criticism might have been true at launch but many of the so-called useless classes at launch have circumstances, certain squads, certain maps/hives, where they can shine. I used to denigrate the Protector for example, but after it's Operation 7 buff, it has bia favorite of mine. It's great in Escape and even sometimes in horde. Let's say for example that you have a squad with a Demolition, a Mechanic, a Combat Medic and a Marksman. They're having a problem getting overwhelmed by Sires, juvies and Wardens. A Protector fits that situation perfectly, andpart of knowing the game is looking at the squad, the map and the situation and making a judgment about what class to pick and what they bring to the situation. Evey class has situations where it shines. Some have more than others though. You just have to take the time to learn it. As you can see, horde 4.0 has a lot more complexity compared to previous versions, complexity that might alienate fans of the older hordes and noobies. The game doesn't do a particularly good job explaining that complexity either. You need to go to TH-cam for guides. Anyway, horde 4.0 is actually great. I admit I didn't like the launch version either. It took them a long time to get it right, not until Op 7 or so. I hope everyone will give it a chance.
Speaking as someone who collectively played thousands of hours in Horde Mode across all Gears titles, let me show you my ranking: Gears 3 Horde > Gears 4 Horde > Gears 5 Horde That's not to say Gears 5 Horde is THAT bad. Just that for me personally I found it to be the worst of the bunch ON LAUNCH. I'd still be willing to try Gears 6 Horde mode as I only play Gears games for the campaign coop and Horde mode. Not the PVP stuff. If you want to argue GoW5 Horde has gotten a lot better since launch day, that's fine. But I have to ask, why bother continuing to improve your game when 99 percent of your players have already moved on over a year ago? (the game is almost 3 years old now) At some point, you need to quit treating launch day like it's an OPEN BETA. I shouldn't have to spend a thousand hours paying money to playtest an unfinished product on your behalf.
@@VotePaineJefferson I really wish they'd gotten Gears Pve right on launch. Especially Escape, which most Gears players do not know about. But look, the servers are still populated right now and you can find a game whenever you want. That's all I can say.
@@StephenYuan It's an exaggeration to say that 99 percent of players have moved on. It's probably closer to 85 percent in fact, to be fair. Point being, I lost interest a long time ago as did most. The Coalition and 343 both have a lot in common. They both can't seem to hit a homerun. They're choke artists. The bases are loaded and they strike out every time. It's pretty clear the real talent has moved on, so you can't really blame the fanbase if they're choosing to do the same. Here's my advice to The Coalition from a long time fan: Stop trying to turn Gears into a class based shooter. Build on the foundation of Gears 3 Horde because that was the best version of it and most fans would agree with that sentiment. We don't need character card ability bullshit. We don't need a fabricator. We don't need currency drops from enemies. We don't need health bars. It's simply not necessary.
I'm a long time gears fan but only just started playing Gears 5 horde again recently. For me, the worst part is it's never difficult - or maybe I just don't understand how the difficulty works. You can play on elite, advanced, master, insane whatever and all feels the same. Very occasionally the whole team will go down and you lose but this is what like 1/10 games at most that you don't win? When you go to search for a custom game it's full of games called "don't do X or get booted" or "smart/ experienced players only"... I don't get these people (I get you they don't want to play with somebody who doesn't revive you, me too) why make a fuss when it's so unlikely you'll actually lose at this game?
The funny thing is if you don't like the health bars, damage numbers, fabricator and classes.....you can turn all of them off and play classic horde in 5 lol
I’d say Gears 5’s horde is one of if not the best out of the previous horde modes from the other games once Operation 5 launched and it improved over time. It’s even better playing as cqc classes which I find the most fun to play as. None of the prior horde modes let you get up close and personal against the Locust on the hardest difficulty and still survive. Gears 4’s horde mode was kinda good when engineers didn’t sentry spam all the time. Sentry spam from selfish engineers ruined it for me and made matches super boring. I’m sure a lot of people would agree to that. Gears 3 and 5 are my favorites when it comes to horde.
@@johnathanl487 First of all, that’s the most basic argument about anything. “It sucks.” Why not elaborate on why you think “it sucks”? Second, I don’t play anything Gears because I never played Tactics. Instead of just saying “it sucks”, explain why do you think “it sucks.” Edit: Or just tell us you have nothing relevant to say/add to the conversation.
Can't say Gears 5 is the best when all players left it within 3 years 😂😂😂 Gears 2 & 3 are pretty popular to this day in horde.... that's how you make a GM. . Although Gears 3 horde is kinda broken now... Gears 4 & especially 5 horde is way tooooo easy... we are gamers we need challenges!
While I have some serious gripes with it, I’m having some serious fun playing it this week. I started with gears 1 and 2 then dropped the series until this past week. I seriously gotta play 3 with all the praise it gets
I fucking hate Gears 5 Boomshot Scions. They're way too accurate to the point that they can cross map you and track your position even if you're standing behind walls.
Gears of war 3 probably had the best horde mode imo, but gears 4 was a close second lofs of cool class skills and great team play. Unfortunately they messed it all up in gears 5.
As a Horde veteran who started in the long-ago Gears 2 days, here are my two cents. Horde has been going downhill since Gears 3. The core element of the mode -- you and your team dug in and trying to survive an onslaught of enemies -- has been forgotten. The beauty of Gears 2 Horde was its simplicity -- find a spot, and use whatever weapons you were good at and/or could scrounge. Your own ability determined the outcome. Gear 3 complicated this somewhat with fortifications, but the essence was still there (although I personally did not like the boss waves -- they played completely differently from all other waves and disrupted the flow; the mutators were a fun addition however). Gear 4 "game-ified" the mode by bringing in classes. Being able to put fortifications wherever you wanted was nice, but classes took away from that classic feeling of your own pure skill with the weapons -- now, it was all about the buffs to whatever weapons your class had via the skill cards. A needless complication, in my book. Now, to be fair, I can play Gear 4 Horde and have some fun with it, but I consider it more a variant rather than true Horde. When I saw that in Gears 5 the mode was going to be "game-ified" even more, with health bars, locked-in character classes, score numbers all over the screen like it's a Borderlands game, some absurd class skills (shooting through walls? really? shields like it's a Halo game?) -- ugh. I checked out after seeing that. Whatever that mode is in Gears 5, it's not Horde. It's some sort of mutant offspring. Now, if someone enjoys Gears 5 Horde, that's fine, more power to you. But what it is in that game is so incredibly far removed from the beautiful raw simplicity of Gear 2 Horde which made many people fall in love with the mode. (This biggest issue with Gears 2 Horde is that the AI can be so damned passive, especially, ironically, at higher difficulty levels). I'd love to see a raw Horde where it's just a huge variety of weapons and enemies, maybe a few fortifications, and a smarter AI opponent. No classes -- each person just picks up/scrounges whatever weapons they are good with; no scores all over the screen cluttering it up; just a return to the old-style simplicity of holding out against overwhelming odds. Oh, and and a progressive wave system like that used in Beast mode in Gears 3 instead of the repeating wave cycles used in all Horde modes.
You can create your own horde lobbies in 5 and can turn classes off and remove the fabricator and these marches can still be public if you wish. Raw horde is still there if you choose
The classes are a downgrade to me as well, all guns should be balanced and viable to use as the same time, shouldn't be locked into guns with a class to do damage.
@@sappypngn you can do classic gears 2 style horde in 5, it's literally an option when you make a horde match lmao, you can also turn off the health bars and damage numbers in your settings
This was a super neat video, maybe you should do one on escape mode? As it was s a really cool idea for a mode that ended up being super underwhelming.
Good Inconceivable classes in Horde 4.0, no particular order - Mechanic, Robotics Expert, Tactician, Jack, Veteran, Anchor, Pilot, Gunner, Demolitions, Marksman, Infiltrator, Slugger...that's a mojority of them. You just have to know how to play each one. Most don't get good enough until you get in the teens level wise though, that's when you get the good cards.
As someone who plays horde single player often, I only use bots as meatshields at this point. The 2 worst situations I can find myself in with bots, however, would be when I'm DBNO because they'll actively refuse to revive me, and when we have to fight the Matriarch. I genuinely hope if they can't fix the AI, then at least make the Matriarch not 100% invincible from anywhere that isn't the back. The AI really isn't programmed to flank her while I distract or distract while I flank. At least leeches don't spawn 24/7 anymore.
Watching the clips you included of the older Gears game just makes me want a MCC-like collection of Gears of War. I just want to play Gears 2 and 3 again man
@@THEODSTKING117 To my knowledge, the only way to own all the Xbox 360 Gears of War games digitally is by purchasing a brand new physical copy of Gears of War 4 or Ultimate Edition. Inside the box includes digital codes for all Xbox 360 Gears of War games to redeem and own digitally. Otherwise, game pass ultimate is your best bet to play them all.
It also doesnt help killing enemies is really unsatisfying the sounds just kind sound squishy, the enemies sort a explode with certain weapons instead of losing a specific limb and are just solid jelly.
Honestly I like horde but I wish the hammer of Dawn was available and the command center was there for your expense to use because whenever you are playing with Bots you don't have the ability to control your Wave Control better when you are limited to just buying resources just to defend the fortifications but if the hammer of Dawn was available with the command center and the decoy upgrade to have the Onyx guard that would be very helpful. On top of that for sentry guns they should have AGR movable sentry guns that you seen from cod bo2 to help you fight enemies easier and definitely have more Dr1 Androids to help you out in battle
For me it was the enemy like you said bosses arent fun and there isnt variety, they say they have "more" enemies but they all generally look the same even though drones from previous Gears of Wars had different classes they still looked and fought different compared to Gears 5 now, hell the Juvies are just miniature drones, and the scions are just large drones and its the same with the DB (the robot)
Classes were the biggest turn off to me for Horde. They turned something great into a hero shooter and I have not touched it at all as a result, I'll just go play gears 3 where Horde peaked.
You’re not missing out on alot, some classes are so similar to others, some are literally worse versions of other classes. Gnashers are OP so most games you’ll be using them. Longshots and lancer GLs too.
I remember when they tried to force you to play specific characters just to use the classes you wanted. Eventually that got patched out, fortunately, I guess they tried to pull a Judgment with that.
I put this game down back in 2020 after constantly being forced to be the healer Jack in public lobbies. It was fun for a while but not after the 40th time. I did max him out, still wasn't fun after that many times though. It's been three years and I was wondering if they added or changed anything. Guess it still sucks.
So,it's like the rest of Gears 5. "It's Gears 4. But somehow worse." And even as a non Gears fans,I still hate how the series went downwards. Especially on the post update content. No Microsoft, people don't want fortnite skins in their suppose grim and representation of "war is F-ing hell". Also,classic gaming "journalist", a word bought by corporation
My first impression is that horde on gears 5 is way too slow in the beginning, and there aren't a lot of enemies during the waves at one time. It doesn't feel like I'm fighting a horde of enemies.
Personally I feel class ultimate help make the game feel more stand out than horde 3.0. But I do think it did have to many classes with 19 and only 9 of them were actually useful to play in horde. Some classes were good in horde but not escape. And the classes good in escape are bad in horde. I will say leeches in master difficulty are annoying they make the waves go on longer because how long it takes to spawn. But I still enjoy horde 4.0 over 3.0
expectation of horde gears 5 : you must upgrade your cards to take advantage reality: it's never worth upgrading because the enemies will always be stronger...
Definitely not sniper builds make literally one taps everything that’s not a boss and until they patched it in u used to be able to one shot bosses with a damn sniper class. Secondly u can freeze them in place b kill them in a mag(hardest difficulty) nomad and fear ur almost invincible outside of bosses and a nomad with stm and a bleed card 3 mags any boss Pretty much. Veteran class can solo to 50 hordes and had to be patched a lot. Demo class is just stupidly broken. And anchor is literally an auto play class u can’t die ur sheiks is invincible ur pistol does insane damage it the ult is infinite as long as u kill more and it comes back in about 20 declines or less becuz it recharges on damage u do and it gives u and ur team Stim. I think gears 5 was harder and u guys as the lower skill gap weren’t ready becuz gears horde is an extremely casual game compared to other games out there. U can do extreme amounts of damage with maxed out classes. Or half maxed out. Not saying this is the most enjoyable game but u guys complaints mostly comes of the lack of skill u possess hence go to a easier difficulty lol
Even if I grinded for longer, I don't think I'd ever be able to enjoy it. I've tried playing it on lower difficulties to accommodate my low levels and the AI still were a massive bore to fight against.
The enemy variety in this game is great, playing against locust in higher difficulties is crazy, only Topped by Gears 3 but is great. Lambents are a pain to deal as cqc classes as their explosion when dying can down you or even kill you if you have multiple enemies near; grenadiers force you to not to gather up as a single grenade can wipe out an entire squad; Cyclops are terrifying as they're always chasing you to chainsaw you and if you don't have a lancer or a claw you are done; Theron's are dangerous af as they can directly blow your head if you stand still and any class can't survive being tagged with a torgue bow, no matter how many damage resistance you have; bolters are like running hyper-agressive snipers they always flank you, and when they flank you, aoybare done by how much damage they deal; and fricking palace guards, they are terrifying as they can grab any weapon, if a single one splits trough your base to your weapon lockers, your team is dead, as their damage scales with difficulty you can have you team wiped out by a guard with a salvo, a lancer GL, a cryo Canon, a dropshot, they even add a depth of difficulty to the game, as you now have to worry to get the weapons enemies drop so the guards don't pick them, yeah, enemies in this game have a lot of variety. Also you forgot that this horde actually has gears 2 OG horde, only weapons pick ups, no classes, no fortifications, so that's a win win.
I'd make one huge point of contention which is that Horde 4.0 feels balanced around master difficulty and you should (ideally) base your opinion on that. I bought Gears 5 on sale yesterday as I got the urge to play some horde and haven't touched a gears title in over a decade (Gears 2 was my last title and I sank a few thousand hours into horde on that lol), but whilst the points you made are respectable I felt some of them were exaggerated far beyond the negative impact they actually had e.g. weapon efficacy and enemy variety. I played my whole first match from wave 1 - 50 using the turret guy's starting robot smg and shotgun because I didn't know you could buy new weapons at the fabricator... had no issues taking down enemies. Also I got pounced on three times that match so I'm guessing enemy AI is just like any other rng system.
Gears of war could be so much more, but this class based system for Gears 5 snuffed replayability of horde for me, the goofy skins, emblems, inconsistencies with weapons and gameplay, it's just boring, Gears 3 horde AND multiolayer versus was the last best title, the only good thing to come out of Gears 5 was the campaign and that wasn't perfect, but out of everything Gears 5 had to offer that was the best part, a pve expierence! But TC desperately wants to rub shoulders with the esports crowd diverting resources from the modes that made the game so popular. Also I'd really prefer if they took horde into a narrative direction, making you feel like you took part in the locust, lambent and swarm war rather than some mashed together expierence with a broken class system, I wish it made you feel like you had some kind of contribution to the war effort in the gears of war universe... dare I say "war" as its not very PC for TC, so much so that they removed the "war" from their latest title of Gears 5. 🙄 I think Escape mode was really onto something tbh, but made a bad call dropping support for the editor, seems all of xboxs main titles are becoming lack luster nowadays, Halo had the same treatment, unfortunately for Gears of War and the fans its just not as big as Halo, so attempts to widen the audience have just made things worse when TC tried to change it's identity. I think it's time to just let it die now.
I'm new playing gears of war saga thanks to gamepass and I have a lot of fun playing horde mode in gears 2 and 3 but when I played gears 5 I don't understand anything and don't think played anymore💔 but maybe I'll re-play horde in gears 3. Also multiplayer competitive mode in gears 5 is so rude with noobs and I quit it at the 3rd game. Maybe a lot of people like me don't start to played gears of war online because of this. At the other hand campain is awesome in all gears of war, and playing with another person is so satisfaying 🤩
This is my rant (and a sprinkle of hot-takes) for TC’s direction of the Gears of War series. I was excited when Gears of War 4 & 5 came out, but the stories feels forced, hollow, and watered down. The Swarm, the locust’s “revival”, is an interesting concept of a new and yet returning enemy in the Gears universe…but they’re not menacing or consequential. Remember Raam? Oh yeah, easily a big baddie that looks like a level 100 mafia boss; a force to be reckon with. Remember the Speaker that in Gears 4 Reyna cut off the arm of the scion leader? I didn’t. Looking back on it, the Speaker looks like a Walmart manager and Kait is the karen looking for him. >JD could be cooked in the oven more and give him more character development, maybe give him the gritty approach like Marcus. >Del is alright, could maybe step up to the plate more like Dom having Marcus’s back. >Kait needs to have a less forceful and more “passive” yet direct (if that makes sense??) character growth. She reminds me of Rey from Star Wars. >TC could sprinkle more details in the game about what happen to Anya, her passing, and the relationship for Marcus and James. >Give the story more weight, driven cause, and consequences. I don’t mind they gave Kait the spotlight, but make it so as if she has a reason to exist, instead of it being superficial: Oh she’s now the heir of the dead queen of the subterranean lizards that came back from the 25 year lunch break and her dead mother is like “Here, become their new leader” while having mental breakdowns. Like in Gears 5, they search, found, and launch HoD satellites to space and later Kait gets to go exploring for her mother and grandmother’s origin stories instead of looking up on Ancestry dot com. Afterwards Kait and Del receives no consequences for their actions for going AWOL a bit and Jinn does nothing to the squad for breaking military conduct and orders. TC didn’t implement the mechanics to make the gameplay more impactful and heavy; the guns, enemies, and the blood. *Crowbcat* made a wordless yet powerful video on TC vs Epic on their development and ideas behind their visions of their respective games. Horde mode: >Reduce the number of types and styles of match rules, and allow private lobbies to make their own custom games. Make it by default the whole game to have only 3 difficulties; e.g: Normal, Hard, and Impossible. Putting public horde matches to one diff and setting, Hard, and the results would be less wait time and brings more of a challenge. A concept in which Impossible diff would have the bots be far smarter and sophisticated, as oppose to Inconceivable where the enemies have 3x more health, dish out 3x more dmg, while you do -3x less dmg. >Make the enemies bots more smarter, unique, and intimidating, while also synergizing together. Ideas: Have a new Swarm enemy that can heal other swarm, like the Kantus. Make the leeches less annoying. Scions could run in pairs like Hunters in Halo. Bring back the ability that Scions could scream and buff drones to be more aggro and flush you out. Or block incoming fire with their BOOMSHIELDS THEY HAVE ON THEIR BACKS!! Give Scions a delay to fire the boomshot instead of aimbotting the player and killing the whole team. If you down a drone holding a grenade, and you get too close to them, they’ll denote the grenade and down or kill you. And for the love of God, TC… fix the Matriarch. She’s OP and broken. I hate the fact She runs at you and can make 90 degree turns and down you running over a half wall. And she follows you like you owe her money and will grab you without warning and will rip you apart like you are a dollar short. >Like you mention in a previous video: Have the mutators not be tied to the difficulty and have it in private customs game lobbies so you can have it your way; extra challenging for high scores and bragging rights (must perfect reload), super easy (infinite ammo) or neural comical fun (big head). >Reduce the number of classes. I’ve been brainstorming and doodling on paper about how to make improvements in Horde mode (I have a dilemma with the engineer class and i need help with). I like the simplicity of 3 and the power band and boosts they had in 4. Don’t like the over-saturated number of classes and grind of 5. And overall, remove the Cards gimmick; it’s redundant, too much grind, and a waste of time. >No more money/ power drops and Taps in the field. Direct deposit my money and efforts. >Bring back some of the old guns; Mortar, One-Shot cannon, Breech shot, Gorgon machine pistol (the talon is unimpressive), Booshka GL, and maybe the sawoff shotgun (some ppl hate it, so u ppl have to somehow make a compromise on that). >But my hottest take is: *TC, why the hell did y’all remove the ability for me to one shot big enemies in the head with the Torque Bow. I can do it to Boomers and Mulchers in 3 and Scions in 4, BUT WHY NOT IN 5 ?!?!*
Honestly they could mix most this classes together something like you can mix the heavy from gears 4 with the pilot in gears 5 and give every class a special red card that gives you a new ability such as a card that lets you summon a silver back until it takes to much damage and gives it a cool down or you can put together the pilot the heavy and the demolition expert and give us the choice to choose are ability such as the silverback or be able to call down a hammer of Dawn strike one time ever round gears 5 dose not need all those classes all they need to do is put the best classes together
From what i can see it's just another run 'n' gun game , shoot-kill-reload + repeat gears 1,2,3 you had to be tacticle on horde ..............................
I have never played a game of Horde since it was introduced as a mode way back when. I may be a no life try hard but that doesn't mean I have NO life...
Gears 4 was my favorite instance of Gears online play, the one I played the most. When I tried playing Gears 5 horde I got immediately bored and I'm basically done with the franchise I guess lol since the plot is so weird now.
I will say this last thing If you don't use proper guns for your class your jus gonna hate it. Gears 5 enemy types and power kills unless you glitch it were power spawns in a single location.
Gear4 -5 is so bad like where tf is the Locust or even the Lambet like no one wants to fight the boring ass swarm the Locust was scary thought and even smart the swarm just a horribly waterd down version
The big amount of classes is a signal that they are trying to keep the players as long as they can, using the already known "GaMeS aS a sErVIcE". It ends in a quantity over quality issue. Don't get me wrong I still like Gears of War 5 Horde, I have a lot of fun playing alone or with friends, but the unnecessary big amount of things sometimes is overwhelming
Fun but broken and unbalanced. This is proof that video game developers spend 0 hours on their game. Idk why everything is scaled so poorly. Enemies are walking tanks and bullets are foam. Not a very fun "hard" experience, its def just annoying dropping a mag into a guy, and they turn and tap me once and im dead.
Gears 3 had to be my favorite horde mode, I loved grinding for upgrade levels on my buildables rather than grinding for cards. Also loved the locust v human gamemode you could play as well
yes
You love grinding? Wow halo and gears players love wasting time on artificially lengthy level systems.
@@Void_Wars you love hating on random comments of people with different opinions than you? What a sad pathetic life.
It was perfect
You mean beast mode? Yea, I feel gears hit its peak at 3. Franchise kinda went down hill after that. I mean, 4 picked up a little bit, but then as soon as 5 came out catering to all the blm and woke lgbqt bullshit, it hit a fuckin giant bump. Why the fuck video games went all political is beyond me. I mean, they're fuckin VIDEO GAMES. I guess in the end it's all about business. Sad.
I miss Gears of war 3 Horde mode because mainly the Locust and Lambent felt fair to fight. In Gears of war 5 the Elite drones drop you in 2 bullets without missing, the Sire grab onto you and give no chance to break out without teammates and that’s annoying cause I sometimes play by myself cause when I do play with others, they’re too busy getting clapped or shooting something else. And I miss how if a Locust or Lambent shot one another then a whole fight would happen. The Deebees, Swarm and Locust/ Lambent rarely do that.
I love playing medic, but i know its completely useless, i mean, i spend litteraly 2 to 3 full clips on an basic ennemi just to get it down. TO GET IT DOWN!
all of my teammates only uses explosifs classes and took damage boost because its the only thing that actually do damage
Yeah I like Medic too but it’s so annoying being the support and being dang near useless damage wise cause everything else just kills you darn near instantly in the later stages of horde 😭 like sure it could be a skill issue but can I at least have a chance to run away without instantly dying to something that takes every bit of ammo I have and then some just to get downed😭😭
“The Swarmak is a Brumak with acne”😂😂
Accurate enough
Poor thing probably can’t even sleep with them LETHAL zits
Frick man I see you ever where, you seem to like the same stuff as me.
How have I seen you twice today? On two completely unrelated videos already?
i dont think it sucks, its still fun to play with friends, Gears 3 and 4 had the best Horde though
The annoying thing with the AI bots is when they shoot the last enemy when I'm still trying to secure taps and get fortifications made.
I think you can deactivate them
For me the very best horde will be gears 2, specially on Jacinto putting shields where the mortar was🤣
There’s still a lot of people that don’t know the boom shield tactic for gow2 horde.
@@jag3rb0mb true you had to be there at the time and when you found out about it , it was amazing because all of sudden getting to high 40's was so cool after getting wrecked trying to play it the "right" way.
I came back recently not knowing they patched it so Locust can kick the shield down from both sides
I'm very glad this just now got in my recommendations. As someone regularly plays Master Horde I'm rather interested in what a casual has to say about it. There are some parts that I agree and disagree.
2:20 I wish there were more Locust and Lambent enemies. I'm really glad that Michael Shannon managed to put it together for us all but with him leaving TC, there's not telling how good Horde 5.0 will turn out. I hope every single enemy from every game returns for it. You also forgot to mention how Palace Guards work in horde because they have one property that no other enemy has. The ability to pick up weapons from the ground and from weapons lockers. So that means Palace Guards can walk around with as far as I remember Boomshots, Scorchers, Cyro Cannons, Breaker Maces, Mulchers, and Buzzkills. All of which kill you way faster than the enemies that drop them for some reason. Palace Guards with scorchers can down you far more quickly than Flame Grenadiers with that pathetic amount of damage.
4:45 You say the guns are weak, you but you were using guns for classes that don't benefit much from it if it all. For example, around 4:40, you're using a Lancer GL which is honestly not a bad choice when you have explosive healing, but having Scorcher over the Dropshot is just not it. Primarily because Pilot doesn't reap nearly as much rewards from it as Brawler does and The Hammer cards makes the Dropshot a complete monster. It's really good against bosses especially against Kestrals and Swarmaks as shown here. At 4:46 I can tell you weren't using Personal Defense nor Custom Robotics so ofc the Enforcer is going to be shit when you don't even have the cards to increase the damage on it. Otherwise that Elite Grenadier would've been filled with triple digit damage numbers. That card combination can single-handedly kill a Salvo/Ice Scion in a single clip at close range if you also have Robotic Porting on. At 5:00, you were using a retro as Anchor which is pretty pointless considering the Boltok is Anchor's go to weapon. You output so much more damage with just upgrading Bloody Shoot to level 6 (which is a green card too) and perking up ammo regen to level 7 which basically gives you infinite ammo. At 5:25 you were again using a retro as Marksman when you should be using a precision based weapon like a Markza, Longshot, or EMBAR. If there's one class that reaps the most rewards from the retro it's Veteran since not only does Lancer stock make it a laser, but Headshot Master and Custom Lancer make it so enemies die in only a handful of seconds. The Retro in the hands of Nomad with execution build is also ok but you would rather use a Lancer or boltok with concussive shot card for that. It's also really useful against Guardian/Sentinel shields if there isn't a Marksman, Demo, Tact, Pilot, and/or MG Sentries anywhere. You can't claim the guns are shit while the guns you are using actually hurt the class you're playing as. The weapon you're supposed to use is based upon what class you're using. You can't expect to deal a whole lot of damage with the Lancer GL as Blademaster when the class is not suited for that weapon. Instead use the Breaker Mace since it's primarily a melee based class. It can annihilate late game Scions with Blade Dancer and Brawler cards equipped which deal I think 9000 damage per **swing** and way more with slam and also with bleed damage when perked up all the way.
5:27 I still don't understand why TC thought it was a good idea to do this when the previous game allowed people to pick whoever our favorite character is. The only reason why I tolerated it in Escape was because Hives typically last for roughly 10-20 minutes and are very fast paced in comparison to Horde if done correctly so I didn't have to play as exclusively Mac the whole time.
5:47 I wouldn't say half of them are useless. Some are better than others but to say only *half* of them are useful past wave 10 is just flat out wrong. I would really love to know which classes you think are deemed useful and which ones aren't since not only did you not them, but I can't really name a single class that's actually useless besides Architect and Protector I guess. Then again you have very low level classes and playing on below Master from what I'm seeing so your knowledge of is a bit limited. Trust me, when you get your class levels up (which is absurdly tedious), know the strats for them and play on Master difficulty, you'll see what I'm talking about when I say all but two classes are useful post wave 10.
6:10 I do agree with that the amount of classes is just too crowded imo. I wish for Horde 4.0 to similar to Gears 4 horde with 5 classes except make it a skill tree similar to Gears Tactic's class system if you're familiar with it. The only reason why the game has as many classes as it did was because I guess TC thought **every** character had to have a class as well. It could explain why OPs lasted for so long prior to OP6 iirc and why Paduk was the only COG character out of him, Dom, UIR soldier, and Jinn to have a class in OP4.
6:20 About your point of "Some classes don't even have the same amount of cards" sometimes less is more but I could clearly see it with the promo classes even with the buffs they got in OP7 (probably because TC didn't want them to be pay-to-win). Most of the cards aren't even that good lmao. Probably half the cards for each class are either trash or just inferior to the better cards the class has. For example, why would I use Shock Shield when Energy Surge provides much more overall sustainability. Why would I pick custom snub for Tact when Disciplined increases damage for all ballistic weapons including the snub and the better cards that class has have far more priority like Recharge Bounty, Shredder, Resupply Healing Module, and Resupply Duration.
Speaking of "a few card upgrades." It actually makes a pretty significant difference. Specifically when you get all the good cards for a class up to level 5 or 6. The difference between a level 1 Shredder card for Demo/Tact vs. a level 5 Shredder card is so drastic that it's no wonder why those two classes are common place. Or the difference between a level 5 and level 6 Modified Longshot for Marksman. As far as I know, with maxed out Ambush, Exploit Weakness, and level 5 Modified Longshot won't 1 shot Scions but a level 6 will. It may seem small, but the difference is very noticeable.
8:25 That's honestly for the CQC classes which consist of Bladmaster, Infiltrator, Striker, and Protector since those classes are made to be played aggressively by doing damage way outside of the base at close range.
9:04 I really do not like how I cannot select custom mods even though daily mods have those. I would love to be able to have Even Stronger Enemies/Regen Scions but I can't do that unless the daily mods say so which is completely RNG btw.
This video honestly has a lot of hot takes due to just lack of game knowledge which I don't really fault you for since your classes aren't that great yet but I can see why you have gripes with it. The game doesn't explain a whole lot to you and Gears players tend to be allergic to anything that is a Promo or a CQC class that isn't Infil so the average normie casual's knowledge will be forever skewed unless they actively look for how-to videos. I hope you give at least Blademaster a chance. The community could use more of those.
Protector is useless? Well to each his own I guess.
I actually prefer Protector to Blademaster just because it plays much more consistently. Blademaster card effects are often circumstantial, like you have to be in Venom or near a tap. And you need to perk to do bleed damage in horde.
I can't count the times when I got downed because I failed to notice that I was playing too far ahead of the Venom or wandered away from a tap.
Also Protector has one big advantage. The weapon damage cards have a glitch where they also boost melee bleeds whenever the weapon is held. So the Protector's gnasher m45 card gives +60 to bleeds on top of the bloody blade's bonus. This works for the Blademaster's gnasher and claw cards too but those are purple cards and the Protector's are green; much easier to upgrade.
So Blademaster definitely has more damage potential, but Protector starts off faster. Saying it's useless is a bit harsh imho.
Wow man, well said. You made a lot of very good points
Bad comment, Blademaster is useless and should be instantly kicked, Jack is useless except for revive, most classes are barely ok, only the demo class is any good.
@@ghostofdota Agree. BM weak knife, Demo go BOOM. Ez.
@@ghostofdota you clearly don't know wtf ya talking about 🤡🤡
personally, i think the classes add more replay value to horde. being able to level up each class and get new cards and upgrade existing cards is rewarding to me. continuing to play horde with the same class is fun to me, seeing how much stronger I am. as opposed to gears 2 and 3 where there's no non-cosmetic rewards at the end of each match and you will always be at the same level every time
I didn't like gears 3 hord it was allwas first to the sliverback then hog all thr kills
Only problem is the fucking shit grind to holy hell
I agree, as an RPG fan, I love being rewarded with playing.
It primarily sucks because you can't play it offline. Same with 3.0.
i kinda disagree with this horde. I think this horde 4.0 made me love horde even more. With the different type of classes, i think its pretty cool that i can play it in many different ways. I would say the enemies is something i agree with 100%. I think there should be more different type of enemies
gears 3 horde is much harder than gears 5 and gears 2 is the easiest just because on some of the maps you can just place a shield down somewhere and than you can just shoot ‘em down and there is no boss wave in gears 2 and gears 4 horde was pretty unique when it first came out but in my opinion I would say gears 5 horde is more enjoyable in the long run than gears 3
Gears 5 dropped the ball with the silverback
facts idk why people shit on gears 5 so much. if you wanna say the story and characters are bad ok i absolutely agree… but the gameplay and multiplayer is the best its ever been in my opinion. and ik thats an unpopular opinion but oh well.
@GULLEY MANE I agree with you, Horde for Gears 5 is best and most fun by far
@@Blikk1 definitley
Imagine gears 6 horde they put every enemy/boss types from all the gears games into horde
Here’s hoping
I disagree with most of this.
Gears 5 has great enemy variety and the AI is great. Drones take up different angles around you and pour suppressing fire on your position. Grenadiers and Dropshot scions flush you out of cover and force you to either kill them or move. And they try to flank you too. If you concentrate on what is in front of you and leave your flank open you are dead.
You might feel that the guns suck. That's by design. You can't just pick up a weapon in Master horde and expect to be effective. You have to understand the class bonuses, abilities, critical hit spots, and card bonuses to get kills. So for example you might be a Mechanic trying to get kills with a Gnasher, but you will quickly find that a Mechanic has no class bonuses for that gun. But if you give the same gun to the Infiltrator, who has a cards for it, can perk his shotgun damage, and can use his ultimate ability to get a 10x damage multiplier, he will absolutely slay almost any boss in the game.
The unboosted vanilla damage of the guns is never enough in Master horde. You have to understand the systems and use them correctly. That is the skill of the game.
Speaking of which, there might be a lot of classes, maybe even too many, but none of them is completely useless. Your criticism might have been true at launch but many of the so-called useless classes at launch have circumstances, certain squads, certain maps/hives, where they can shine. I used to denigrate the Protector for example, but after it's Operation 7 buff, it has bia favorite of mine. It's great in Escape and even sometimes in horde. Let's say for example that you have a squad with a Demolition, a Mechanic, a Combat Medic and a Marksman. They're having a problem getting overwhelmed by Sires, juvies and Wardens. A Protector fits that situation perfectly, andpart of knowing the game is looking at the squad, the map and the situation and making a judgment about what class to pick and what they bring to the situation.
Evey class has situations where it shines. Some have more than others though. You just have to take the time to learn it.
As you can see, horde 4.0 has a lot more complexity compared to previous versions, complexity that might alienate fans of the older hordes and noobies. The game doesn't do a particularly good job explaining that complexity either. You need to go to TH-cam for guides.
Anyway, horde 4.0 is actually great. I admit I didn't like the launch version either. It took them a long time to get it right, not until Op 7 or so. I hope everyone will give it a chance.
Speaking as someone who collectively played thousands of hours in Horde Mode across all Gears titles, let me show you my ranking:
Gears 3 Horde > Gears 4 Horde > Gears 5 Horde
That's not to say Gears 5 Horde is THAT bad. Just that for me personally I found it to be the worst of the bunch ON LAUNCH. I'd still be willing to try Gears 6 Horde mode as I only play Gears games for the campaign coop and Horde mode. Not the PVP stuff. If you want to argue GoW5 Horde has gotten a lot better since launch day, that's fine. But I have to ask, why bother continuing to improve your game when 99 percent of your players have already moved on over a year ago? (the game is almost 3 years old now) At some point, you need to quit treating launch day like it's an OPEN BETA. I shouldn't have to spend a thousand hours paying money to playtest an unfinished product on your behalf.
@@VotePaineJefferson I really wish they'd gotten Gears Pve right on launch. Especially Escape, which most Gears players do not know about.
But look, the servers are still populated right now and you can find a game whenever you want.
That's all I can say.
@@StephenYuan It's an exaggeration to say that 99 percent of players have moved on. It's probably closer to 85 percent in fact, to be fair. Point being, I lost interest a long time ago as did most. The Coalition and 343 both have a lot in common. They both can't seem to hit a homerun. They're choke artists. The bases are loaded and they strike out every time. It's pretty clear the real talent has moved on, so you can't really blame the fanbase if they're choosing to do the same.
Here's my advice to The Coalition from a long time fan: Stop trying to turn Gears into a class based shooter. Build on the foundation of Gears 3 Horde because that was the best version of it and most fans would agree with that sentiment. We don't need character card ability bullshit. We don't need a fabricator. We don't need currency drops from enemies. We don't need health bars. It's simply not necessary.
@@VotePaineJefferson i mean you’re judging it on release lol
@@bigmanbarry2299 So your testimony is that you don't think reviews for games should be written during the first, what? 12 months after launch day?
IMP, the way I'd place the pve gamemodes would go as following:
Horde 2.0 > Horde 1.0 > that one gamemode from judgement > horde 3.0 > horde 4.0
I'm a long time gears fan but only just started playing Gears 5 horde again recently.
For me, the worst part is it's never difficult - or maybe I just don't understand how the difficulty works. You can play on elite, advanced, master, insane whatever and all feels the same. Very occasionally the whole team will go down and you lose but this is what like 1/10 games at most that you don't win?
When you go to search for a custom game it's full of games called "don't do X or get booted" or "smart/ experienced players only"... I don't get these people (I get you they don't want to play with somebody who doesn't revive you, me too) why make a fuss when it's so unlikely you'll actually lose at this game?
The AI in gears 5 feel painfully stupid compared to the other games, like you said the swarm behave all so alike that it gets monotonous quick.
I want a gears of war 3 remake specifically for beast/horde mode lol
I do wish they would bring back hammer of dawn an other enemies etc
The funny thing is if you don't like the health bars, damage numbers, fabricator and classes.....you can turn all of them off and play classic horde in 5 lol
Classic horde was a cool edition but you still fight the same boring enemies. So without all of the horde 4.0 stuff there really is nothing to enjoy.
@@MildCrisp boomshot scions
@@Void_Wars 🤯
I’d say Gears 5’s horde is one of if not the best out of the previous horde modes from the other games once Operation 5 launched and it improved over time. It’s even better playing as cqc classes which I find the most fun to play as. None of the prior horde modes let you get up close and personal against the Locust on the hardest difficulty and still survive. Gears 4’s horde mode was kinda good when engineers didn’t sentry spam all the time. Sentry spam from selfish engineers ruined it for me and made matches super boring. I’m sure a lot of people would agree to that. Gears 3 and 5 are my favorites when it comes to horde.
Gears 5 horde sucks.
Just tell us you’ll play anything gears.
@@johnathanl487 First of all, that’s the most basic argument about anything. “It sucks.” Why not elaborate on why you think “it sucks”? Second, I don’t play anything Gears because I never played Tactics. Instead of just saying “it sucks”, explain why do you think “it sucks.”
Edit: Or just tell us you have nothing relevant to say/add to the conversation.
nah
@@THEODSTKING117 k
Can't say Gears 5 is the best when all players left it within 3 years 😂😂😂
Gears 2 & 3 are pretty popular to this day in horde.... that's how you make a GM. . Although Gears 3 horde is kinda broken now... Gears 4 & especially 5 horde is way tooooo easy... we are gamers we need challenges!
While I have some serious gripes with it, I’m having some serious fun playing it this week. I started with gears 1 and 2 then dropped the series until this past week. I seriously gotta play 3 with all the praise it gets
I fucking hate Gears 5 Boomshot Scions. They're way too accurate to the point that they can cross map you and track your position even if you're standing behind walls.
I wish he would have just called it EGS seeing location wasn't an issue
Gears of war 3 probably had the best horde mode imo, but gears 4 was a close second lofs of cool class skills and great team play. Unfortunately they messed it all up in gears 5.
As a Horde veteran who started in the long-ago Gears 2 days, here are my two cents.
Horde has been going downhill since Gears 3. The core element of the mode -- you and your team dug in and trying to survive an onslaught of enemies -- has been forgotten. The beauty of Gears 2 Horde was its simplicity -- find a spot, and use whatever weapons you were good at and/or could scrounge. Your own ability determined the outcome. Gear 3 complicated this somewhat with fortifications, but the essence was still there (although I personally did not like the boss waves -- they played completely differently from all other waves and disrupted the flow; the mutators were a fun addition however).
Gear 4 "game-ified" the mode by bringing in classes. Being able to put fortifications wherever you wanted was nice, but classes took away from that classic feeling of your own pure skill with the weapons -- now, it was all about the buffs to whatever weapons your class had via the skill cards. A needless complication, in my book. Now, to be fair, I can play Gear 4 Horde and have some fun with it, but I consider it more a variant rather than true Horde.
When I saw that in Gears 5 the mode was going to be "game-ified" even more, with health bars, locked-in character classes, score numbers all over the screen like it's a Borderlands game, some absurd class skills (shooting through walls? really? shields like it's a Halo game?) -- ugh. I checked out after seeing that. Whatever that mode is in Gears 5, it's not Horde. It's some sort of mutant offspring.
Now, if someone enjoys Gears 5 Horde, that's fine, more power to you. But what it is in that game is so incredibly far removed from the beautiful raw simplicity of Gear 2 Horde which made many people fall in love with the mode. (This biggest issue with Gears 2 Horde is that the AI can be so damned passive, especially, ironically, at higher difficulty levels).
I'd love to see a raw Horde where it's just a huge variety of weapons and enemies, maybe a few fortifications, and a smarter AI opponent. No classes -- each person just picks up/scrounges whatever weapons they are good with; no scores all over the screen cluttering it up; just a return to the old-style simplicity of holding out against overwhelming odds.
Oh, and and a progressive wave system like that used in Beast mode in Gears 3 instead of the repeating wave cycles used in all Horde modes.
You can create your own horde lobbies in 5 and can turn classes off and remove the fabricator and these marches can still be public if you wish. Raw horde is still there if you choose
The classes are a downgrade to me as well, all guns should be balanced and viable to use as the same time, shouldn't be locked into guns with a class to do damage.
this guy knows whats its about
Couldn't have said it better. Gears 2 Horde was long, grueling, and bleak. It made the triumph all the more satisfying.
@@sappypngn you can do classic gears 2 style horde in 5, it's literally an option when you make a horde match lmao, you can also turn off the health bars and damage numbers in your settings
This was a super neat video, maybe you should do one on escape mode? As it was s a really cool idea for a mode that ended up being super underwhelming.
I liked 3 and 4 better, but 5 was $15. Judgement wasn’t a real game tho. We don’t talk about judgement. Gears 4 was probably the best of horde.
I agree the weapons suck unless you buy upgrades. I hated how characters are tied to classes. Gears 3 & 4 are the best.
Good Inconceivable classes in Horde 4.0, no particular order - Mechanic, Robotics Expert, Tactician, Jack, Veteran, Anchor, Pilot, Gunner, Demolitions, Marksman, Infiltrator, Slugger...that's a mojority of them. You just have to know how to play each one. Most don't get good enough until you get in the teens level wise though, that's when you get the good cards.
Great video! I don't see a lot of refreshing gow content anymore, so this was nice surprise.
As someone who plays horde single player often, I only use bots as meatshields at this point. The 2 worst situations I can find myself in with bots, however, would be when I'm DBNO because they'll actively refuse to revive me, and when we have to fight the Matriarch. I genuinely hope if they can't fix the AI, then at least make the Matriarch not 100% invincible from anywhere that isn't the back. The AI really isn't programmed to flank her while I distract or distract while I flank.
At least leeches don't spawn 24/7 anymore.
Watching the clips you included of the older Gears game just makes me want a MCC-like collection of Gears of War. I just want to play Gears 2 and 3 again man
Then go play them. They didn’t go anywhere yet. If anything, they got a 60fps and auto hdr update a long time ago for Series X|S.
@@Ultra_Gnasty I know man I just don’t have an Xbox at the moment. Can you purchase the older Gears games digitally on the Series S?
@@THEODSTKING117 To my knowledge, the only way to own all the Xbox 360 Gears of War games digitally is by purchasing a brand new physical copy of Gears of War 4 or Ultimate Edition. Inside the box includes digital codes for all Xbox 360 Gears of War games to redeem and own digitally. Otherwise, game pass ultimate is your best bet to play them all.
Seeing Nexus in current gen graphics would make me pee myself
It also doesnt help killing enemies is really unsatisfying the sounds just kind sound squishy, the enemies sort a explode with certain weapons instead of losing a specific limb and are just solid jelly.
Honestly I like horde but I wish the hammer of Dawn was available and the command center was there for your expense to use because whenever you are playing with Bots you don't have the ability to control your Wave Control better when you are limited to just buying resources just to defend the fortifications but if the hammer of Dawn was available with the command center and the decoy upgrade to have the Onyx guard that would be very helpful. On top of that for sentry guns they should have AGR movable sentry guns that you seen from cod bo2 to help you fight enemies easier and definitely have more Dr1 Androids to help you out in battle
For me it was the enemy like you said bosses arent fun and there isnt variety, they say they have "more" enemies but they all generally look the same even though drones from previous Gears of Wars had different classes they still looked and fought different compared to Gears 5 now, hell the Juvies are just miniature drones, and the scions are just large drones and its the same with the DB (the robot)
4.0 is my personal favorite, but 2.0 is so simple and just good fun
If they didn’t add back the locust and lambent and the scorcher I wouldn’t really play it, also I never knew gears of war 3 horde had mutators.
The Enemies just walk forward and shoot, GOT IT, that is all I needed to know how bad this crap is.
L take
Classes were the biggest turn off to me for Horde. They turned something great into a hero shooter and I have not touched it at all as a result, I'll just go play gears 3 where Horde peaked.
You’re not missing out on alot, some classes are so similar to others, some are literally worse versions of other classes. Gnashers are OP so most games you’ll be using them. Longshots and lancer GLs too.
I remember when they tried to force you to play specific characters just to use the classes you wanted.
Eventually that got patched out, fortunately, I guess they tried to pull a Judgment with that.
I put this game down back in 2020 after constantly being forced to be the healer Jack in public lobbies. It was fun for a while but not after the 40th time. I did max him out, still wasn't fun after that many times though. It's been three years and I was wondering if they added or changed anything. Guess it still sucks.
Wakaatu is the most annoying enemy in the whole horde game....just fucking annoying
Wakaatu vs flock, who's more boring
@@MildCrisp Prob the flock tbh
So,it's like the rest of Gears 5. "It's Gears 4. But somehow worse." And even as a non Gears fans,I still hate how the series went downwards. Especially on the post update content.
No Microsoft, people don't want fortnite skins in their suppose grim and representation of "war is F-ing hell".
Also,classic gaming "journalist", a word bought by corporation
My first impression is that horde on gears 5 is way too slow in the beginning, and there aren't a lot of enemies during the waves at one time. It doesn't feel like I'm fighting a horde of enemies.
Personally I feel class ultimate help make the game feel more stand out than horde 3.0. But I do think it did have to many classes with 19 and only 9 of them were actually useful to play in horde. Some classes were good in horde but not escape. And the classes good in escape are bad in horde. I will say leeches in master difficulty are annoying they make the waves go on longer because how long it takes to spawn. But I still enjoy horde 4.0 over 3.0
I like this gears 5 horde better. You can get creative and scale a lot of damage.
Horde is at its best when you buildcraft; gives meaningful things to earn beyond cosmetics and lets you lean in a specialty
The only thing I truly hate about Horde 4.0 is the fucking bird (Wakaatu)
Most boring enemy in existence lol
@@MildCrisp That title belongs to the Kestrel imho. Who wants to fight a helicopter boss in a Gears game?
Dude I completely forgot about the kestrel lol
expectation of horde gears 5 : you must upgrade your cards to take advantage reality: it's never worth upgrading because the enemies will always be stronger...
Definitely not sniper builds make literally one taps everything that’s not a boss and until they patched it in u used to be able to one shot bosses with a damn sniper class. Secondly u can freeze them in place b kill them in a mag(hardest difficulty) nomad and fear ur almost invincible outside of bosses and a nomad with stm and a bleed card 3 mags any boss
Pretty much. Veteran class can solo to 50 hordes and had to be patched a lot. Demo class is just stupidly broken. And anchor is literally an auto play class u can’t die ur sheiks is invincible ur pistol does insane damage it the ult is infinite as long as u kill more and it comes back in about 20 declines or less becuz it recharges on damage u do and it gives u and ur team
Stim. I think gears 5 was harder and u guys as the lower skill gap weren’t ready becuz gears horde is an extremely casual game compared to other games out there. U can do extreme amounts of damage with maxed out classes. Or half maxed out. Not saying this is the most enjoyable game but u guys complaints mostly comes of the lack of skill u possess hence go to a easier difficulty lol
@@antiisolation4 used the expression lol I know he's a sissy who has sex with his ass
Nice vid man, How do you only have 200 subs?
Level up some of those classes and get actually good cards then you may have fun, 0 reason not to now 4x xp is on permanently
Even if I grinded for longer, I don't think I'd ever be able to enjoy it. I've tried playing it on lower difficulties to accommodate my low levels and the AI still were a massive bore to fight against.
song at 1:30 it was one of the songs for tekken 4. am i right?
The song I used was Mystical Forest stage music from Tekken 6
@@MildCrisp thanks for the update
The enemy variety in this game is great, playing against locust in higher difficulties is crazy, only Topped by Gears 3 but is great.
Lambents are a pain to deal as cqc classes as their explosion when dying can down you or even kill you if you have multiple enemies near; grenadiers force you to not to gather up as a single grenade can wipe out an entire squad; Cyclops are terrifying as they're always chasing you to chainsaw you and if you don't have a lancer or a claw you are done; Theron's are dangerous af as they can directly blow your head if you stand still and any class can't survive being tagged with a torgue bow, no matter how many damage resistance you have; bolters are like running hyper-agressive snipers they always flank you, and when they flank you, aoybare done by how much damage they deal; and fricking palace guards, they are terrifying as they can grab any weapon, if a single one splits trough your base to your weapon lockers, your team is dead, as their damage scales with difficulty you can have you team wiped out by a guard with a salvo, a lancer GL, a cryo Canon, a dropshot, they even add a depth of difficulty to the game, as you now have to worry to get the weapons enemies drop so the guards don't pick them, yeah, enemies in this game have a lot of variety.
Also you forgot that this horde actually has gears 2 OG horde, only weapons pick ups, no classes, no fortifications, so that's a win win.
It's fun but way too easy once you max out the best cards and actually know what your doing. Lot's of snowflakes on this game too.
I'd make one huge point of contention which is that Horde 4.0 feels balanced around master difficulty and you should (ideally) base your opinion on that.
I bought Gears 5 on sale yesterday as I got the urge to play some horde and haven't touched a gears title in over a decade (Gears 2 was my last title and I sank a few thousand hours into horde on that lol), but whilst the points you made are respectable I felt some of them were exaggerated far beyond the negative impact they actually had e.g. weapon efficacy and enemy variety. I played my whole first match from wave 1 - 50 using the turret guy's starting robot smg and shotgun because I didn't know you could buy new weapons at the fabricator... had no issues taking down enemies. Also I got pounced on three times that match so I'm guessing enemy AI is just like any other rng system.
I'll definitely try to play it again sometime soon, thanks for letting me know. Maybe it'll be different this time around
Gears of war could be so much more, but this class based system for Gears 5 snuffed replayability of horde for me, the goofy skins, emblems, inconsistencies with weapons and gameplay, it's just boring, Gears 3 horde AND multiolayer versus was the last best title, the only good thing to come out of Gears 5 was the campaign and that wasn't perfect, but out of everything Gears 5 had to offer that was the best part, a pve expierence! But TC desperately wants to rub shoulders with the esports crowd diverting resources from the modes that made the game so popular.
Also I'd really prefer if they took horde into a narrative direction, making you feel like you took part in the locust, lambent and swarm war rather than some mashed together expierence with a broken class system, I wish it made you feel like you had some kind of contribution to the war effort in the gears of war universe... dare I say "war" as its not very PC for TC, so much so that they removed the "war" from their latest title of Gears 5. 🙄
I think Escape mode was really onto something tbh, but made a bad call dropping support for the editor, seems all of xboxs main titles are becoming lack luster nowadays, Halo had the same treatment, unfortunately for Gears of War and the fans its just not as big as Halo, so attempts to widen the audience have just made things worse when TC tried to change it's identity.
I think it's time to just let it die now.
Gears 4 was my favorite horde mode
Ngl gears 4 horde was amazing
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Respect brother o7
The only reason i play Gears5 is because both of my controllers are broken and so i only have M&K :(
I'm new playing gears of war saga thanks to gamepass and I have a lot of fun playing horde mode in gears 2 and 3 but when I played gears 5 I don't understand anything and don't think played anymore💔 but maybe I'll re-play horde in gears 3.
Also multiplayer competitive mode in gears 5 is so rude with noobs and I quit it at the 3rd game.
Maybe a lot of people like me don't start to played gears of war online because of this.
At the other hand campain is awesome in all gears of war, and playing with another person is so satisfaying 🤩
comparing this vs wwz horde mode? which one is better?
Gears is the best Horde mode ever
Sharing points was the biggest downfall
Oh Gears 5 has all the horde modes from gears 1 too. Its not jus Horde 4.0 for to mention
Gears of war 3 definitely had the best horde mode and beast mode
This is my rant (and a sprinkle of hot-takes) for TC’s direction of the Gears of War series. I was excited when Gears of War 4 & 5 came out, but the stories feels forced, hollow, and watered down.
The Swarm, the locust’s “revival”, is an interesting concept of a new and yet returning enemy in the Gears universe…but they’re not menacing or consequential. Remember Raam? Oh yeah, easily a big baddie that looks like a level 100 mafia boss; a force to be reckon with. Remember the Speaker that in Gears 4 Reyna cut off the arm of the scion leader? I didn’t. Looking back on it, the Speaker looks like a Walmart manager and Kait is the karen looking for him.
>JD could be cooked in the oven more and give him more character development, maybe give him the gritty approach like Marcus.
>Del is alright, could maybe step up to the plate more like Dom having Marcus’s back.
>Kait needs to have a less forceful and more “passive” yet direct (if that makes sense??) character growth. She reminds me of Rey from Star Wars.
>TC could sprinkle more details in the game about what happen to Anya, her passing, and the relationship for Marcus and James.
>Give the story more weight, driven cause, and consequences. I don’t mind they gave Kait the spotlight, but make it so as if she has a reason to exist, instead of it being superficial: Oh she’s now the heir of the dead queen of the subterranean lizards that came back from the 25 year lunch break and her dead mother is like “Here, become their new leader” while having mental breakdowns. Like in Gears 5, they search, found, and launch HoD satellites to space and later Kait gets to go exploring for her mother and grandmother’s origin stories instead of looking up on Ancestry dot com. Afterwards Kait and Del receives no consequences for their actions for going AWOL a bit and Jinn does nothing to the squad for breaking military conduct and orders.
TC didn’t implement the mechanics to make the gameplay more impactful and heavy; the guns, enemies, and the blood. *Crowbcat* made a wordless yet powerful video on TC vs Epic on their development and ideas behind their visions of their respective games.
Horde mode:
>Reduce the number of types and styles of match rules, and allow private lobbies to make their own custom games. Make it by default the whole game to have only 3 difficulties; e.g: Normal, Hard, and Impossible. Putting public horde matches to one diff and setting, Hard, and the results would be less wait time and brings more of a challenge. A concept in which Impossible diff would have the bots be far smarter and sophisticated, as oppose to Inconceivable where the enemies have 3x more health, dish out 3x more dmg, while you do -3x less dmg.
>Make the enemies bots more smarter, unique, and intimidating, while also synergizing together.
Ideas: Have a new Swarm enemy that can heal other swarm, like the Kantus. Make the leeches less annoying. Scions could run in pairs like Hunters in Halo. Bring back the ability that Scions could scream and buff drones to be more aggro and flush you out. Or block incoming fire with their BOOMSHIELDS THEY HAVE ON THEIR BACKS!! Give Scions a delay to fire the boomshot instead of aimbotting the player and killing the whole team. If you down a drone holding a grenade, and you get too close to them, they’ll denote the grenade and down or kill you.
And for the love of God, TC… fix the Matriarch. She’s OP and broken. I hate the fact She runs at you and can make 90 degree turns and down you running over a half wall. And she follows you like you owe her money and will grab you without warning and will rip you apart like you are a dollar short.
>Like you mention in a previous video: Have the mutators not be tied to the difficulty and have it in private customs game lobbies so you can have it your way; extra challenging for high scores and bragging rights (must perfect reload), super easy (infinite ammo) or neural comical fun (big head).
>Reduce the number of classes. I’ve been brainstorming and doodling on paper about how to make improvements in Horde mode (I have a dilemma with the engineer class and i need help with). I like the simplicity of 3 and the power band and boosts they had in 4. Don’t like the over-saturated number of classes and grind of 5. And overall, remove the Cards gimmick; it’s redundant, too much grind, and a waste of time.
>No more money/ power drops and Taps in the field. Direct deposit my money and efforts.
>Bring back some of the old guns; Mortar, One-Shot cannon, Breech shot, Gorgon machine pistol (the talon is unimpressive), Booshka GL, and maybe the sawoff shotgun (some ppl hate it, so u ppl have to somehow make a compromise on that).
>But my hottest take is:
*TC, why the hell did y’all remove the ability for me to one shot big enemies in the head with the Torque Bow. I can do it to Boomers and Mulchers in 3 and Scions in 4, BUT WHY NOT IN 5 ?!?!*
My team and I beat all the master horde maps .Then we did boss Rush mastered all the maps and now we are doing all maps on horde Roulette ..
We have both the seriously achievements also.We love horde .play every night
Come on Microsoft, just give us the Marcus Fenix Collection
GoW Hoard 2 & 3 was the best fr I like rememberin a few classics. halo flood was the original zombie shooter though
Gears 5 horde after all the updates was amazing. Labent, locust, swarm, all the classes are balanced and epic. Horde 3.0 sucked hard.
I would kill for a gears 3 remastered just to have an excuse to play horde again
Honestly they could mix most this classes together something like you can mix the heavy from gears 4 with the pilot in gears 5 and give every class a special red card that gives you a new ability such as a card that lets you summon a silver back until it takes to much damage and gives it a cool down or you can put together the pilot the heavy and the demolition expert and give us the choice to choose are ability such as the silverback or be able to call down a hammer of Dawn strike one time ever round gears 5 dose not need all those classes all they need to do is put the best classes together
also the biggest issue with bots is that they are increasing the population cap. of ennemies without closing the gap. They are basically a bait.
Bit late to the party here, However in my opinion gears 3 was the best at everything
When did damage numbers appear? This isn't even Gear anymore.
I think they first popped up in 5, felt terrible playing cause you could see how little damage some of your weapons did :/
10:06 wardens are great 😏
Say sike rn
Its actually quite good.
:D
where did the robots come from. should only be fleshhhhhh
they mess up horde in gears 5, you cant play master solo when wardens and sires break the fab
Song that plays at 1:00?
Tekken 6 Mystical Forest
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@@MildCrisp thank you 😊
Sire killed it for me.
really good video
From what i can see it's just another run 'n' gun game , shoot-kill-reload + repeat gears 1,2,3 you had to be tacticle on horde ..............................
Is nobody talking about those juvies with dreadlocks? Rasta juvies
yo, i agree. i was horde mode fans since beginning. but in gears 5 i tryed 2 rounds and deinstalled the games. i was sooo pissed they ruined it.
I have never played a game of Horde since it was introduced as a mode way back when. I may be a no life try hard but that doesn't mean I have NO life...
How does playing horde mean you have no life? I'm a halo wars player so I must have negative life 🤣
@@Feynvel it's so boring and such a lame thing to play especially for xp. God just don't even play Gears then, ya kno...
don't lie man, you're an unemployed parasite
Gears 4 was my favorite instance of Gears online play, the one I played the most. When I tried playing Gears 5 horde I got immediately bored and I'm basically done with the franchise I guess lol since the plot is so weird now.
I'm here for the deep and extensive resource management lol. I loved carrying the team as the engineer or whatever it was in Horde 3.0.
I never played the other Hordes but now wish people still played so I could experience it. Maybe I'll watch a Let's Play some day...
Agreed. I loved the direction they were going in 3.0 but they complicated it too much in 4.0, imo
havent even played gears 5 so at this point why would i
GOW 2 was my fav for horde
I wanted to fight reavers :(
Gears 4 horde and Gears 5 suck beacuse of the DeeBees, i just want to fight locust / swarm not robots
100% agree. very much appreciate your honesty.
The only good horde is gears 2 but if we talking about content wise and tactics gears 5 horde is better.
I will say this last thing If you don't use proper guns for your class your jus gonna hate it. Gears 5 enemy types and power kills unless you glitch it were power spawns in a single location.
Gear4 -5 is so bad like where tf is the Locust or even the Lambet like no one wants to fight the boring ass swarm the Locust was scary thought and even smart the swarm just a horribly waterd down version
I think the imulsion crystalized and preserved the locust or something since they adapt quick so now the only locust we have are the scions 🗿
Have you been living under a rock? Locust and Lambent were added to Gears 5’s horde mode for well over a year now.
@@Ultra_Gnasty Im assuming he was referring to the story. The locust and lambent cant save the horde mode though :\
Don't get me started with the bs bugs that never have been fix 😑
Beast mode there I said it……..
Awesome!
3 was the best man we had horde and beast mode was so awesome and multiplayer was top tier .
The big amount of classes is a signal that they are trying to keep the players as long as they can, using the already known "GaMeS aS a sErVIcE". It ends in a quantity over quality issue. Don't get me wrong I still like Gears of War 5 Horde, I have a lot of fun playing alone or with friends, but the unnecessary big amount of things sometimes is overwhelming
Agreed.
Fun but broken and unbalanced. This is proof that video game developers spend 0 hours on their game. Idk why everything is scaled so poorly. Enemies are walking tanks and bullets are foam. Not a very fun "hard" experience, its def just annoying dropping a mag into a guy, and they turn and tap me once and im dead.
Horde 3.0 respecters rise up!!!