I was born and raised as a muslim and I lived in middle east for 42 years of my life. I believe that islam is the reason of the misery the region have been living for the last 14 centuries.
@@mahamohamoha5039 do you know me enough to call me ignorant or you call people names because you're hurt? How can you tell i didn't do research? "for once"? Really? You are so baseless!
@@bilalyaser5870 unless you can support with what you have said....just being ignorant...do you realised all the socalled muslim countries had been colonised by western christians...and after they left they installed western stooges to perpetuate their colonial masters rule and these countries are subservient and subjudicated for ever...any signs of Islamic revival is suppressed and oppressed by these western stooges who are now in power....and this to the detriment of the masses and the countries....not much development
@@mahamohamoha5039 "ignorant", "stooges", "masters" using insulting terms nums your feeling of defeat? Does it hurt that your "Christian colonials" enemies stopped your ancestors from trading and raping women and children when they invaded the miserable islamic regions? Does it hurt you that your most hated enemy "Christian colonialists" established a system that makes you as a woman equal, not half, to men in testimony and heritage? and all different sects of Muslims equal? Isn't islam the imperialist colonialist cult that spread by shedding blood and destroyed great civilizations, languages and heritages of Egypt, Persia, Nubia and Pezantia as examples? What development your talking about? Isn't islam against art, music, equality, human basic rights of life and dignity? And stop using insulting terms because it shows you bitter. You don't need to copy the cussing and cursing from kuran, it was composed by a disturbed mind!
Most of what he said would apply to us as well although we are not as bad as the Arab world we are a far cry from the examples he is saying,below every video that remotely criticises Islam I always find hordes of our countrymen(assuming indian) just rejoicing and showering praise on the speaker when he eventually turns the mirror on us,we have to honestly ask ourselves if we are even capable of accepting constructive criticism
Sam Harris is fantastic! He is not pandering, he is saying what he personally believes, not just trying to get an applause from a crowd that «agrees» on everything
By the estimates of historians, during the Mughal period in India, at least 80 million Hindus were killed and countless more were converted by sword and sold to slavery by the Islamic rulers. Hundreds of thousands of Hindu temples were destroyed in North India and Central India. Some of the most important ones were converted into Mosques in order to showcase Islamic conquest. These atrocities including this largest genocide in the human history were done in the name of Islam. So Islamic barbarism is not a recent phenonmenon. Quran teaches exactly this kind of behavior.
Excellent. Few finer points to add. Just as racism is punishable by law in the West so is Casteism punishable by Indian law.. One additional point Sati was abolished by joint efforts of British Governor & a Hindu reformer called Raja Rammohan Roy who was credited & decorated by British. Roy went to UK lived there until his death Roy’s tomb still exists in Bristol UK. Reformation was & is possible because unlike Quran Hindus were not given perfect words of God that cant be changed. Needless to say Quran is compilation of bad ideas
@@MJtotheGhost By human moral standards, common sense & also Indian law casteism i.e. prejudice or discrimination based on caste is illegal. Please check & reply where the following statement is written. "All men ( humanity) are created equal". That is your homework. TC
"Which human moral standard and common sense ? That of the invading British or that of the Indians?" Cultural relativism is the shield of a moron. There are myriad reasons why it's a bad, immoral practice. And you already know all of them. Stop apologizing for traditional evil.
This is probably the best speech I have come across in a very long time. Short, precise and to the point, this deserves recognition. - Thank you to the channel owner for sharing this video. "I count Christianity as the main offender..." ... Thank you, Mr. Harris. And Islam continues the tradition that Christianity finally left behind.
I work in a political youth party in Norway and we just had a speaker talk about extremism , and when we talked about Islam I said that it's important that we talk about the consequences of these spesific beliefs and that we talk about the motivations behind it. Everybody agreed but when I tried to say that Islamic extremism is the most pressing issue of our time people objected and said that Islam is a religion of peace. I tried to point out that they are literally screaming "God is great" when they blow them self up and that their prophet was a terrible warlord compaired to other prophets. They said that Christianity has bad history to and I tried to say that it's irrelevant for our corrent surcomstance. I even said that it's a very very small % that are extremist (although Pew research suggest otherwise) But they refused to listen to me. You just can't get through!
Maximillian.....i feel your pain - there's no hope for people who refuse to speak the truth! The truth is just the truth, good bad or ugly. Its the truth, simple as that
Numbers 31 The Lord said to Moses, 2 “Take vengeance on the Midianites for the Israelites. After that, you will be gathered to your people.” 3 So Moses said to the people, “Arm some of your men to go to war against the Midianites so that they may carry out the Lord’s vengeance on them. 4 Send into battle a thousand men from each of the tribes of Israel.” 5 So twelve thousand men armed for battle, a thousand from each tribe, were supplied from the clans of Israel. 6 Moses sent them into battle, a thousand from each tribe, along with Phinehas son of Eleazar, the priest, who took with him articles from the sanctuary and the trumpets for signaling. 7 They fought against Midian, as the Lord commanded Moses, and killed every man. 8 Among their victims were Evi, Rekem, Zur, Hur and Reba-the five kings of Midian. They also killed Balaam son of Beor with the sword. 9 The Israelites captured the Midianite women and children and took all the Midianite herds, flocks and goods as plunder. 10 They burned all the towns where the Midianites had settled, as well as all their camps. 11 They took all the plunder and spoils, including the people and animals, 12 and brought the captives, spoils and plunder to Moses and Eleazar the priest and the Israelite assembly at their camp on the plains of Moab, by the Jordan across from Jericho. 13 Moses, Eleazar the priest and all the leaders of the community went to meet them outside the camp. 14 Moses was angry with the officers of the army-the commanders of thousands and commanders of hundreds-who returned from the battle. 15 “Have you allowed all the women to live?” he asked them. 16 “They were the ones who followed Balaam’s advice and enticed the Israelites to be unfaithful to the Lord in the Peor incident, so that a plague struck the Lord’s people. 17 Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, 18 but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.
Many of the ideas of the European Enlightenment were copied from Islamic sources without due credit given. In astronomy, medicine, mathematics, philosophy etc.
The Indian Hindus apologising against Sam's example just shows how they just like hearing Islam bashing but won't have an point of I.Q to understand what's Sam saying about the Hinduism's own problems
Sati was a rare practice among royal women, who under 700 years of Islamic invasion if captured would become sex slaves. Caste the word as well as the system was an import from Europe. Sure people have internalized it today. Thanks to generous promotion by the church.
Funny how people don't know a single thing about hinduism continue to bash it on topics like sati,caste system and such. Lol to them, I just wanna say that Hinduism is a religion which accepts atheists and criticism of God. There are no definite rules. If you have an iq high enough or can see what's not apparent, you'll understand my point.
@@kibuskaa islam got no sex slave or any in that matter. People confuse pre-islamic era with islamic era. If you think arabs were cruel during islam. You would hate to know what happened before islam. Sam harris is ranting. Liberals want atheism to succeed and lead. But most inventors were people who had faith in something. Regardless of their race, religion. People used to be more tolerant than now.
I agree with his point on caste system in India, its absurd. By the way, Widow killing aka Sati is illegal in India. Like everywhere, there are always those few who will screw ruin things for everyone, Hinduism does have those few folks unfortunately. Good thing is, India's literacy rate is going up, internet and westernization are helping for sure. I am a proud Hindu.
You must admit however that idol worship makes no sense at all. There is a remark in the Old Testament of the Bible, to the effect tsht those who worship idols will become like them---------deaf, blind, an dumb, speaking figuratively. The religious festivals which birthed the global wave of Delta covid-19 were not something of which to be proud.
@Wayne Wallace no you idiot it was because of one American and British support and two because we invaded it not for religion but to free the country that Isreal had decided to take Palestine
Aristotle and Greek philosophers were preserved by the Romans (Byzantine Empire) not Islamic civilizations. The Romans preserved the works in Latin, Greek, and Arabic. The fact that the Ottomans destroyed everything but the Arabic writtings after they conquered Constantinople shows how smart the Romans were not how Islam was keen on preserving great works like Aristotle.
@@devannaidoo7887 yes caste is an amazing topic!!! A kid is same caste as his parents by birth but, It's decided by what he does in life according to his capabilities. It's so good practice to classify human professions.
@@pradeepksao Nonsense. You're deceitful. Stop pulling the wool over our eyes. Caste is for life. It's enshrined in the vedas and gita. Breaking caste fault lines is forbidden. Even Gandhi subscribed to this belief. 250 million Dalits (untouchables) live and die in utter misery, consigned to a life of hard labor and barred from higher ranks. The most evil and vial social hierarchical system in the world... Gita 18.47: It is better to engage in one's own occupation, even though one may perform it imperfectly, than to accept another's occupation and perform it perfectly. Prescribed duties, according to one's nature, are never affected by sinful reactions. Caste is for life. You will never find a brahmin shoveling shit. Caste is a disgrace and a curse, a blight on humanity. It will eventually lead to the demise of beloved India if it's not sincerely addressed. Your attempt to obfuscate caste practices in India is sad.
@@pradeepksao The truth hurts huh. A country that normalizes inequality, discrimination and suffering of others like India has will never have peace. History bears testimony to that.
TY Mr. Harris , I think you hit the nail on the head w/this video. Theres allways excuses & claims of bigotry whenever an honest discussion of Islam takes place, yet they will make bigoted claims against other religions. Lastly moderate muslims do not exist, they are only moderate till their neighbors & relatives start demanding Sharia law for themselves. I've studdied Religion as a whole along w/all its different denominations & Islam is the Worst of all the religions that have made it to the modern era but refuses to reform itself because its followers are so brainwashed that they believe the Koran, Haddiths & Sharia Law are Perfect & they have the right to enforce them on all of humanity.
You couldn't even understand a simple passage of the Quran when you read it. Ha ha ha. Funny muslim. It says: read the bible, if you do you'll know the quran is a vert bad and poor copy attempt. You said you've read the bible so you must know what I'm talking about. Muhammed was a stupid fool who had no idea what a book was. He did not read any book of any prophet at all. You did. So you know muhammed was no prophet. And prophets are not send with a book. There was no injil ever, muhammed just made that up to impress stupid Arabs.
NOT Bible, you dumbass. Bible Is THE NAME Word. Greek word meaning book collection. There were no "Scriptures revealed to Moses (Musa) and Jesus (Isa)" , Moses was a Jewish prophet and would never accept muhammeds claims and Isa is not Jesus. You're so confused.. I think you need some sleep.
Sam Harris :Hi, im thankful for the interest you come to orchestrate about the issue of Islam as the debate is growing nowadays.Also, the version you're presenting of Islamis is correct and it's the prevalent version of a dogmatic religion presented by scholars of The Omayad and Abassid eras..This version at least served as it serves now a justification of a barbaric religion .Yet, the word Islam got plunged into contradictory concepts and values because an other version of the 'sacred' /'divine' discourse comes to into play within theological narratives that is of the Hadith .Here lies a structural confusion as to better understand the religion: Two divine discourses which often get into contradiction.The scholars of the islamic empire had to coin a new narrative centered about the prophet Mohamed and this led to making /attributing hadiths to the prophet as a counterforce for christianity .Then , thousands of hadiths were made to amplify the miracles and sayings all done by the prophet.Therefore , the hadith becomes divine as a text which precedes the text of the Koran as most of muslims now argue using the hadith as valid reference.That was the biggest crime ever committed in history as the text of the Koran is quite and totally different from hadith.I was astonished when i found concepts of freedom, peace and humane coesxistence are the most stressed in the Koran discourse .Id like very much to advise you to deal with the text of the Koran only as a text using interdisciplinary linguistics if your concern is academic and truth seeking. / ( I would recommend you read the work of Mr Chahrour , syrian scholar who approached the text of the Koran from inside.It's fascinating and mind blowing as Islam ends up to be universal and it's a refined version of the revelations ' (as the text states clearly) of Noah, Abraham,Moise, Jesus and Mohamed. )
When I was a teenager I was chatting with a teenager Hindu GIRL then I asked her about the Sati practice which Sam asserts is a product of an entirely Hindu/ Indian religious culture. This girl told me that this PRACTICE must have been borrowed by the HINDUS from the MUSLIMS. That the MUSLIMS have taught the HINDUS the Sati PRACTICE and then the HINDUS simply adopted it . But according to Sam Harris Sati is entirely a Hindu/ Indian PRACTICE. We need to study the Sati how it STARTED and who was to blame for this PRACTICE.
7:46 One correction sir. The practice of Sati was stamped out after a movement of Raja Ram Mohan Roy (a Hindu). No religion is perfect, it needs to be changed over time which we call reform. Extremists are against it and other support it but not for their own religion. And if you come to caste system, I don't know how it is related to religion. Caste system is a hypocrite tradition which got, unfortunately, blended with religion. I'm happy that gradually (at very slow pace) we are abandoning these ill traditions. For the first time I saw a person who has similar view on peaceful religion. Being a Hindu, I believe Jainism and Buddhism (to some extent) are the most peaceful religion in the world. But who knows it would need a reform in future like Islam badly needs now.
The British were behind stamping it out as well....I'm sure they had indigenous help, but British liberal reformers and western missionaries were appalled by Sati and wanted it gone.....whether it was a "white man's burden" type thing or not is immaterial...the British were instrumental in stamping it out.
You don't know the original history. Sati pratha was formed by Muslims check out on internet. Hinduism is not just a religion it is a culture, based on science. Look at the carvings on Hindu Temple. It shows men and women as equal. " Haan but hindu khud hi khud ki kabar khod te h." Go deep down the fact of every hindu spritual 💯% of them are meaning full. Some publications like Wire, HT clears the mind and make it against us. Don't be atheist be Hindu if you are a Hindu I'm not imposing anything but i am just telling you to beleive in Hinduism.
this is one of the few times I disagree with sam. there were few kilometeres of baghdad that had more learned people at that time than any where else in the world, at that time. the comparison with newyork is absurd. there were no nobel prize comittes at that time. There wasnt even established research and peer review publication practices. Also he doesnt understand how islam and muhammad promote and place high value in learning. Not just islamic learning, learning everything. It is said that Ashkanazi jews are over represented in nobel prize winners. Yet we cant find any jewish name worth mentioning in the field of science before the 20th century. We have the Newtons, the Archemdies, the Galelios, Laplaces etc. No Jews.
They dont promote learning for science or of Philosophy they don't promote thinking. They laid out their absolutist Philosophy and commanded everyone not to question it. Omar burned libraries as caliph saying we have one answer to everything same was done by other muslims over the time. Bagdad was rich in thought because of wars that islam raged, constraining thinkers in one place they questioned the quran too. This is why they are distinguished as thinkers because they questioned, they were not 'good' muslims
It's good to think better off one self as west does now. Don't mistake me I am a indian hindu whose history for past 4000 years has been subjugation and last 1000 years has been worse. Yet it's wrong to say a way of thinking is wrong as you say for Indian or Arabic. Yes Muslim insertions have caused far greater pain to us than the Western civilisations. A thriving, inclusive and superior economy was brought to grinding halt but the abrahamic traditions. Yeah we would have been better off without Western influence. Our culture has always been debating finding solutions. The caste crisis that current generation was left with has multiple facets in its culmination and economy was one of the most important one. Castes played a great role in india been one of the strongest and stable economy for thousands of years (can be evidently seen from (0-1000 AD ). Then it become stagnant and stopped the progress of our society. Our people with the tradition of debate and respecting knowledge without discrimination would have figured it out and self corrected it if not for the colonial Forces of West including Islam didn't violently invaded India...
There are a countess number of books written against Christ & Christianity , and movies made against Christ. Christians never go to extent of killing the writers/makers. This speaks volumes about the faith.
Though I agree with Sam on many things, the first outlawing of Sati was put into law by the Muslim Mughal emperor of India Akbar I in the 1500s. After that by law it could only happen if women volunteered which some would have. Obviously there still forced satis happening but the first time it was outlawed and the practice was banned from being forced on women was under Muslim rule
Regardless whether its behavioral manifestation are 'moderate' or 'extreme', error remains error. This applies with regard to both jslam and atheism. Of course the public interest is better served when peaceful coexistence is possible, but the souls of those deceived by any form of wither doctrine must remain a concern for conscientious Christians.
I consider myself an atheist, yet the claims here make my eyebrows rise a bit. What about algebra? The entirety of modern mathematics begins in Arab world’s golden age. Medicine, too. That doesn’t make them islamists better, but why would you hide the facts to prove your point to a biased audience?
Incorrect. Not only were Arab mathematicians deeply influenced by the mathematical tradition in India, they were also honest enough to credit the Indians for it. Now, by no means do I insist that they had nothing to contribute. I only sought to correct you insofar as it is not the _entirety_ of modern mathematics that began in the Arab world's golden age.
Sam Harris’s criticisms are generally unambiguous, yet soft, measured and respectful. And I do not believe that he is an intolerant guy either, nor do I believe that he is driven by some ulterior agenda, other than speaking the truth as he understands and believes. He transcends the usual labels that we tag such a person with - viz., an atheist, anti-Abrahamic, an American, etc - he seems to epitomize a human with true integrity. I am no authority on Abrahamic religions. However, it is nice to see Sam Harris trying to balance occasionally his argument with his opinion about some practices in other religions too. And yes Sam has firsthand information and knowledge on many of the topics that he speaks. Sam presented himself to the East physically, with open minds; he lived in the east for a decent time. Yes, Sam has a good knowledge of Hinduism, Buddhism, Jainism, Sikhism and other religions of the east. Yet, when I listen to him talking on religions and practices of the east, I quiver. I often wonder in despair that we easterners failed utterly in offering Sam Harris wisdom of what truly the eastern philosophies believed in and our practices meant. We must have had done an extremely poor job of presenting him a meaningful, yet truthful and factual past, including its 'real' serious shortcomings. Contrary to Sam Harris's claim, India has had its caste system since time immemorial, yet it remained the richest region on earth for over 10 millennia, until the 17th century. That fact alone should summarize the whole argument on caste system. The Dutch, the Portuguese, the Spanish, the French, the British, and even the progressive Germans did not bring the western liberal democratic values to India - they brought missionaries and built Churches promoting another archaic and mediaeval belief system in the region. Other than for railways, they did not manufacture even a single nail in the subcontinent. On the contrary, they crushed all the indigenous self reliant yet advanced technologies. Remember the Dandi Salt march? Locals could not even produce their own salt and weave cloth. If the British indeed had believed in and promoted its coveted democracy, half the world would not have been its colony, and the USA would not have denied half of its population the voting rights, and denied the same to the entire coloured race for much of its history. You have to judge the non-religious institutions and ideas just like you would judge the religions of past, which is more by what was in practice than just written in the books. Industrial revolution denied its share of success to the vast majority of its common people in the west until not long ago. And Mr. Trump is the very product of that same deprivation that is evident even to this day. It was also a bitter reckoning to Sam Harris and the people alike, simply because they willfully and blissfully disregarded the very existence of Trump mindset either. Sam Harris should listen to his own speech on Trump, and reflect better on those 'other' so called western values that half the Americas endorsed in the last election. From the ages of Hellenistic democracies to the democracy of the Mr. Trump era all systems are deeply flawed, working systematically against the universal fundamental human values. Slavery was legal in the Greeks democracy. Everything that Hitler did until the day of his death was legal in the German courts and constitution; and everything that the American military has done in the last three centuries is legal either. If religions led to crusades and jihads, western democracies promoted intentional well thought out cruel deprivation of the entire masses of the other innumerable countries. Also, to this day democracies of all countries continue to work against many its own people in very evident and un-shameful ways, yet strongly endorsed by institutions and ideologies of respective democracies. Today, people have choices for things like the tissues and toiletries that they use, not ideals like true information versus false propaganda. And we call that a free choice. New World was then habited not by those seeking freedom and choice, but mostly by those escaping poverty and persecution. The western empires were built over the very graveyards of the commons whose sweat and the blood cemented their edifices. Science and pseudo-science aggravated their plight and technology powered with the idea of capitalism facilitated annihilation of the masses. It is not the science which builds the future, but the scientists who are conscientious and responsible. The measure of future worthy is how good the human values are among those scientists. North Korea cannot be a better place than Bali when it comes to quality of life, simply because Korea can launch long range missiles armed with nukes. From yet another perspective, if we believe that of all the parameters if children represent the best hope for our future, we should reflect simply on the birth rates; a country, with all its resources if cannot even replace its own dying population, surely is not invested in its future. Scientists have to come from somewhere else to do the science. For some, a 500-year of Islamic golden age is less of an achievement, for none of that civilization produced any nukes, which would have been an achievement in today's standard. But I care less with those yardsticks and goalposts. And referencing to practices of various religions does not make ones argument more politically correct and less bigoted either. Let us save ourselves from the divisive organised religions and agenda driven pseudo humanists and scientists alike. True democracy is yet to be born anywhere on this planet, and the mother earth is yet to see a non-bigot son who can speak in one voice for the entire human race. In some countries people may be free to carry their own guns. And few more countries are freer to unleash terror on other countries in the name of democracy and freedom. And that may be an achievement more than a caveman could dream. Should we really value that kind of democracy and care to judge the cavemen?
From the middle to the 19th century until the middle of the 20th century Islam was cowed. It was not peaceful; it was demoralized. After the WW2, the aspirations of Muslim were dominated by nationalism, socialism etc. The Six-Day War discredited these movements. The vacuum was filled by Muslim fundamentalism. The Iranian Revolution and the defeat of the Russians in Afghanistan embolden the Islamic Jihadis. Islamic umma returned to the habits of a thousand years.
Iran was a Zoroastrian country with a sizeable number of Christians, Jews, Buddhists living there before the savage onslaught of Muslim Arabs in the 7th century. With massacres after massacres , Iranian were submitted to the rule of invaders. Many were forced by sword and many more through unjust treatment under colonial, discriminatory, and repressive Sharia law, converted to Islam. Iran was a great nation of Art, industry, architecture, culture and civilization when Muslim Arabs with their peaceful religion, invaded and plundered it.
On the one hand we have discussing of problems within a muslim community being stopped after a lecture so that the muslims have to discuss matters "in secret" in the corridor outside instead. On the other hand we have people on social media accusing individual muslims for misconducts in Saudiarabia without even knowing his/her stands on related matters except for being a muslim.
Look , just to begin , the problem begins long ago , with the 1st Abrahamic Religion , which consider their faith the only true faith , between other problems that it has , then the 2nd Abrahamic Religion , brings a new and worse problem that is this necessity of to convert people and the 3rd Abrahamic Religion , is as bad as the other ones , and it was violent from the beginning , even more violent the the 2nd one was in the past , as the 3rd one Arabised and Islamised by force, violence and raping , the whole north of the Middle East and the whole North of Africa , and nearly did the same to the South of Europe .
Sam, you have stated some nonsense about Hinduism and India, and your comparison to Western values is completely flawed and intellectually shallow…. Firstly, Sati was a fringe practice that goes against the tenets of the Bhagavad Gita (one of the major Hindu texts) since suicide is considered to be the biggest sin. It was very rare, and had been abolished at times before the British came. The caste system is not an integral part of Hindu religious belief, but more of a societal issue; think about it, what caste are the Hare Krishnas (they don’t have any caste, but are still Hindus)? The caste system has been blown out of proportion by the West. How does the caste system compare to the brutal slavery that the West was responsible for against Africans and then the racist attitudes of the West towards other human beings? Remember MLK drew inspiration from Gandhi, an Indian, in order to rid segregation of the African Americans in the U.S. The West has been responsible for witch burnings, slavery, racism, genocide (Native Americans, Jews in WWII), brutal imperialism, segregation, oppression of homosexuals, and the dropping of atomic bombs that incinerated over 200,000 innocent children, women, and men, numerous wars and support of cruel regimes all over the world, etc. The West still eats animals on a daily basis and displayed a total disregard for non-human life. The progress that the west has made has primarily been made possible with the exploitation of other humans. The British empire, extracted resources from other lands. The U.S. was established on the territory of Native Americans after stealing their land and killing them off, and was made prosperous economically by the forced labor of slaves taken from Africa. Essentially, while the West certainly has produced many great inventions, don’t forget that witch burnings, imperialism, slavery, genocide, segregation, stealing land, the atomic bomb, apartheid, etc. are also Western “advances”. In contrast, the Hindu civilization (India), which is thousands of years older, has not participated in any imperialism whatsoever. India never invaded any other country, was devoid of slavery, respected the sanctity of all sentient life; it gave the world tenets of nonviolence, spirituality, yoga, vegetarianism, notion of karma, etc…. 70% of the world’s vegetarians are in India, showing how comparatively backward the west is with respect to respecting the sanctity of all life…In India, do you see kids being shot up in schools? The rest of the world is confused by the obsession of guns in the U.S. and the inability to protect children at school…It’s needless to say that spiritually, India has always been far advanced compared to the West. And don’t forget the fact that the divorce rate in the U.S. is 50% compared to 1% percent in India. And western countries on average have a very high divorce rate. Effectively what that suggests is that the west has completely failed miserably compared to a place like India when it comes to the institution of marriage. What good are all the inventions when you can’t even keep a family unit together?…In countries like India, parents are respected, and taken care of whereas in large part in the West, the elderly are just thrown into nursing homes. How advanced is that? Are those human rights? Let me reiterate that India has been spiritually, way more advanced, and has shown more success in keeping families together than the West… Incidentally, Hinduism is one of the few religions in the world that does not condemn homosexuality, in contrast to the Western religions. India has had a female head of the country, Hinduism is the only religion in the world that worships the feminine form and energy. India just passed a bill that would insure 30% of seats in the parliament reserved for women. Has the U.S. done that? So where are the human rights? India has been accepting toward every religion for thousands of years. It is one of the few countries in the world in which there was no discrimination or hatred against the Jews. So I suggest that you rethink your notion of human rights being a western invention, particularly in the context of the holocaust, hatred towards Jews, racism, segregation, etc. Overall, the Indian civilization has shown a far greater respect for life and has killed (and inflicted pain upon) less number of both human beings and other sentient living creatures compared to the West. With respect to the West and India, next time maybe you should think more broadly and do some homework before talking. You don’t want a “pot calling the kettle black” (a Western phrase) situation.
Freedom from religion is Hinduism ! Hinduism is not at all a religion in the sense of Islam , christianity or Judaism. It is not a particular belief system. So much so that even if you do not believe in any God ,still you can be called Hindu. It does not confine you to one or few books, one prophet and a particular way of worship. In fact, there are thousands of ancient scriptures ,talking widely different, about questions that arose in human mind ,from time to time , on all sort of things. it has evolved over tens of thousands of years in the Indian peninsula and still continues to evolve. Social evils like caste ,or identities ,can develop over time in all societies and are then tackled. But that may take years and years , depending upon the diversify and enormity of civilization, besides the foreign invasions and occupation of the region. The name Hindu itself is not found in the ancient indian scriptures. It is a description of civilization between Himalayas and Indu ,meaning oceans. it is a civilization of seekers and its people were never constrained to any one belief system or a religion. Members in one house,very commonly worship different Gods or no God, or create ones own God, which may suit to ones temperament. Finally only human values matter in Hinduism.We are all one big family on planet earth. " Vasu dhaiv kutumb kam " That is Hinduism.
While I agree with most of your points, please do not spread misinformation about India. Sati was not abolished by western oppressors. Raja Ram Mohan Roy was the one who worked against child marriage and sati. India was doing well scientifically until 1000 years of oppression by mughals and british. I do agree that India had and still have the caste system and other barbaric practices but you cannot discount the scientific achievements before India was enslaved.
What scientific achievements are you talking about we didn't even invented a light bulb in our thousands of years of history. All we invented was bunch of barbaric stuffs.
@@maheshhardasani787 Lol. The self loathing is high in you. India was the center of science and technology before the islamic invasion. General info: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_science_and_technology_in_the_Indian_subcontinent Surgery: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sushruta Philosophy and Reasoning: plato.stanford.edu/entries/logic-india/ Maybe read a little before making a fool of yourself in public forum.
@@fantasyfootball804 countries who were reduced to rubble after WW2 developed in short period of time. Germany was destroyed completely yet in such a short period of time went from nothing to currently strongest and powerful country in Europe, taiwan with the Taiwanese miracle, etc. So what has India achieved in 75 years of independence? It still ranks worst in hunger index, the quality of life is so low. So all i can is say you are an ignornat fool like any other Hindu nationalist living a sad life.
@@maheshhardasani787 Lol. I am neither a nationalist nor a country haters like you. You are just as insufferable as those bhakts. They dont see anything bad and you dont see anything good. Germany is a very small country and they were industrialized. India lost a lot of our economy during ww2. We paid for the British war. Go read the books by Shashi Tharoor on this subject. India's contribution to the world GDP went from 23% to less than 2% during the british rule. Life expectancy dropped to 27 years. Do you know how many Indians died because of ww2? Or are you naive enough to think that just because we weren't bombed, we didnt suffer. We suffered famines because our food was stolen. Read about the Bengal famine. Europe received a lot of money from the US which also made the US a superpower especially after Nixon moved off gold standard and essentially stole from the Europeans. We have a population problem and centuries of brutal oppression to overcome. Comparing that to Europeans shows how ignorant you are. Post war the west saw massive growth fuelled on the back of colonialism as they had all the industries and the US had control of money. I don't know where you live but as someone who has been living in the west for a decade, I can assure you that things are getting bad here. Now that the benefits of colonialism is starting to dry up, things arent as rosy. Young people are depressed, arent having sex and have negative population growth as a result. Do you know why? Because they dont have the standard of living that boomers enjoyed. They cant buy a home or take vacations and this will continue to get worse as the rest of the world catch up. Maybe learn a thing or two before accusing others of nationalism. Bhakts and librandus like you are very alike - little knowledge lots of complaints.
History is irreversible, Islam and other cultures also have its downside. Modern science developed by the west is a fact. This statement is different if you live in medieval times when the Islamic world advanced with science. Muhammad fought for his mission to succeed even in the face of the violence of his people, that is why the verses of violence are found in the Quran. If Muhammad was accepted peacefully by his people, there might not be violent verses in the Quran. But Islam is not that. Islam is belief in only one God who created the universe and then to do good during life. In order to be happy in the afterlife. This is what Muslim believe. Peace.
Letter to the Reverend Ensor Walters (1933), as quoted in Bernard Shaw: Collected letters, 1926-1950 (1988) by Dan H. Laurence, p. 305 "I have always held the religion of Mohammad (p.b.u.h.) in high estimation because of its wonderful vitality. It is the only religion which appears to me to possess that assimilating capability to the changing phase of existence which can make itself appeal to every age. The world must doubtless attach high value to the predictions of great men like me. I have prophesied about the faith of Mohammad p.b.u.h. that it would be acceptable to the Europe of tomorrow as it is beginning to be acceptable to the Europe of today. The medieval ecclesiastics, either through ignorance or bigotry, painted Mohammedanism in the darkest colors. They were in fact trained both to hate the man Mohammed p.b.u.h. and his religion. To them Mohammed p.b.u.h. was the Anti-Christ. I have studied him -the wonderful man, and in my opinion far from being an Anti- Christ he must be called the Savior of Humanity. I believe that if a man like him were to assume the dictatorship of the modern world he would succeed in solving its problems in a way that would bring it the much needed peace and happiness. But to proceed, it was in the 19th century that honest thinkers like Carlyle, Goethe and Gibbon perceived intrinsic worth in the religion of Mohammad p.b.u.h., and thus there were some change for the better in the European attitude towards Islam. But the Europe of the present century is far advanced. It is beginning to be enamored of the creed of Mohammad p.b.u.h. . I believe that if today an autocrat of Mohammad's p.b.u.h. caliber assumes world leadership, he could solve all problems of humanity splendidly. The world will become an abode of peace and happiness. I predict that tomorrow's Europe will embrace Islam." (End of Bernard Shaw's letter)
But your problem stems from the fact that ISLAM is monolothic and you try to show that it is irredeemable. ISLAM is a vast phenomenon but you seem to be an ESSENTIALIST.
Need to understand the cause of Sati problem. Except 1 or 2 voluntary mentions of Sati(who believed to accompany her husband in afterlife) before Mughals came in India, this was not at all part of Indian Culture. In order to save themselves from getting Raped, disgraced and sold to Arab masters as sex slaves, this culture started taking place in India by royal families. With the end of Mughal era this process also diminished and now not a single case is there in India.
Sam literally has such a simple argument that takes absolutely NOTHING into account. political,socioeconomical, geopolitical, historical, this guy literally thinks islam promotes cliterectomies. This guy LITERALLY knows NOTHING about islam even the most anti islamic thinkers know better than him😂😂😂😂
I like Sam Harris very much, but I am flabbergasted at this video. If you study math, Arab names come up all the time from the contributions they made in that golden age. Of the stars that have names, 2/3 are Arabic, because of their contributions. There were also advancements in medicine, optics, physics, metaphysics. Not "some contributions to optics or something like that". This is a massive, massive misrepresentation. I'm incredibly disappointed on Sam here.
If you want to learn how a plane works, you don't ask a chef do you? You ask an engineer who has qualified in that field. So if you want to learn about the history of Islam, why on earth would you ask Sam Harris who evidently doesn't know the first thing about Islam?
He brought up female general mutilation which is just a little snip and it's harmless but what about male Genital mutilation? How does he feel about that?
You are stupid beyond measure. You know doing that to girls makes them not enjoy sex right? In men it makes no difference. So you treat women as toys then?
His (Muhammad p.b.u.h.) stamina, endurance and forgiveness, while he was in a commanding position: his patience and firmness in unfavorable conditions, were all talents, attributes and qualities Allah himself had given him. Even wise men have their shortcomings, but Allah's Messenger p.b.u.h., unlike everybody, the more he was hurt or injured, the more gentle and patient he became. The more rudeness and ignorance anybody exercised against him, the more enduring he became. 'Aishah (R.A.) said: "Whenever Allah's Messenger p.b.u.h. was given the opportunity to choose between two affairs, he would always choose the easiest and the most convenient. But if it be sinful, he would be as far as he could from it. He never took revenge for himself; but when the sanctity of Allah was violated, he would avenge it. That would be for Allah's sake not for himself." He (p.b.u.h.) was the last one to get angry and the first to be satisfied. His hospitality and generosity were matchless. His gifts and endowments manifest a man who does not fear poverty." Ibn 'Abbas(R.A.) said: "The Prophet p.b.u.h. was the most generous. His generosity would be at its extreme during Ramadan when the angel Gabriel(A.S.) used to come to see him. Gabriel(A.S.) used to visit him every night of Ramadan and review the Qur'an with him. Verily, Allah's Messenger p.b.u.h. was more generous at giving bounty or charity than the blowing wind." pgs. 965-966 of The Sealed Nectar (Ar-Raheequl - Makhtum) Biography of the Nobel Prophet (P.B.U.H.) Safiur- Rahman Al- Mubarakpuri Darulisalam
Ok he is good but ..he is full of shit also.. caste system in India is bad.. but it is culture issue.. nothing to do with religion... India has not certain religious book which everyone has to follow.. caste system is just a class system which has become little rigid.. and we are changing is and State where we live it is pretty much eradicated.... And I form himayaan state of India.. in my entire history we never heard of single sati incident.. and every historian says it never happened in northern region.. and it happened in few central India states.. but it was never forced.. it's just bullshit theory u HV made to make yourself feel better.. not a single incident of force sati was recorded in history.. some incident are where women willing did that cause of social and cultural reason.. I know our society is to blame for that to glorifies this practice of dieing with our husband.. but was never forced... And religion has nothing to do with it.. and above all I m Atheists but I can never ever be non Hindu.. coz it's a geographical identity.. people living in land between Himalayan and India oceans where called Hindus.. like Arab or Englishman..
Living in 2018, looking back to all human rituals in the last 2000 years, they will look barbaric and animalistic. They must look like that because the environment was tough. Religions are quantum leaps in human consciousnes that gave humanity a reason to push forward and serve higher goals. The west had a religion too. It wasn't christianity, it was the new world dream, what became later to be the American dream, what finally made usa a great nation and made all nations to look up to.
Indeed, like the old religions promoted wars and conquest, believing in god the creator of everything and wars as the means to divide the wealth created by god, we believe we are the creators ourselves. We create wealth. We create the world we live in, these cities, these cars and planes, this internet, all the products we use every day, we are not like the people before the industrial revolution, fighting each other to get our share, we fight at the frontiers of science and technology expanding the world we created and improving it. While muslims and many old age religious people believe to be some slave or servant of the creator, we started to believe we were the children of the creator but then we realized we could be the creator and now wen know we are creative creatures able to build a better future for out children, like our parent created a better life for us.
I can remember a time when Sam Harris thought Robert Spencer was a loon for saying saying/observing about Islam exactly what Sam is now saying and observing.
I don't accuse Sam Harris of bigotry, but surely an absolute ignorant about India-Hinduism and super-arrogant of western exceptionalism! 1. If Hindu Culture was so bad and responsible for present accurately presented poverty stats, then how come India was the largest economy in the world history up until 1500-1600? What happened to India's economy, which was going down from the beginning of 2nd Millenium? Islamic Barbaric un-organized invasion-destruction and Europeans (His so-called evolved westerner ancestors) organized Imperialistic looting of India are responsible, it was the rise of Hindu culture after freedom, India is going upwards! First Western Right (Abrahamic Exclusivism) and now Western Left (American Exceptionalism-Exclusivism) are solely responsible for regressive India! Indian Right (Hinduism) and Indian True Left (Buddhism and Jainism) would have produced better India! 2. The word caste, linguistically Portege ze, which was essentially superimposed Western-European vertical socio-economic pyramids on Hindu Varna System (Organic horizontal separation of Four sector of any civilized society)! Varna System was essentially the first system that separated church, state, corporate and social services (Media, Labor, Education, Health...)! Western system is still struggling to separate church and state, and haven't even proposed to separate corporation from church, state and services, which is rather very evident, the root of their Healthcare and Crony-capitalism roller-coaster. 3. You should seriously study about 'Sati' in its purest Hindu form. As far as a colonial and Mughal era, when Hindu men were butchered by Europeans (So called civilized) and Middle-eastern invaders, women preferred to die instead of getting raped or enslaved. 4. In the contemporary world, three progressive thoughts are actually prominent in India as early as 500B.C.E, if not earlier: Vegetarianism, Advaitism (No Personal God-Atheism) and Yoga-Meditation. I sometimes wonder his when he speaks of Vipassana Meditation or some philosophies-Advaita Vedanta, that he thinks highly of, they are product of India, precisely Ancient Hindus. There were no random events, which produced such eternal tools of humanities, they were the product of evolving Hindu Culture. India had Hinduism (Non-dual Inclusive One Absolute), Buddhism (Zero Inclusive Absolute, Agnostics) and Jainism (No Absolute-Pure Atheism), co-existed pre-500 B.C.E.; and it was the time when so-called civilized Westerners primarily governed by Abrahamic exclusive Gods! 5. When they found out about a great civilization of Hindus-India, they manufactured Aryan Invasion theory (German Historian Max Muller) to sabotage India and cover up their barbaric civilization. 6. All civilizations had great ideas with scientific revolution, it was unfortunate that it did not transform into technology the way it did in the west! However Free abundant natural resources from Native America and Free abundant labor from African Slavery fueled American Revolution (now cheap labor from India-China) and More Free resources through Imperialism fueled European revolution are fundamental reasons, where the west was able to move on next human phase of technology, where others were looted and traumatized, had to think about their survival! There was nothing inherently superior (genetically or ideologically), as Sam Harris proposing, rather very deceptively, white (European or non-Muslim Abrahamic culture) supremacism! Let me end with Gandhi's response when he was asked what he thinks about western civilization, He replied, "That would be a good idea..."
Yes the guy who doesn't have much knowledge of history, civilizations, religions, and as a CON MAN convinced people that he is a scholar ? we are in the time of deception
Sam Harris is the author of five New York Times bestsellers. His books include The End of Faith, Letter to a Christian Nation, The Moral Landscape, Free Will, Lying, Waking Up, and Islam and the Future of Tolerance (with Maajid Nawaz). The End of Faith won the 2005 PEN Award for Nonfiction. His writing and public lectures cover a wide range of topics-neuroscience, moral philosophy, religion, meditation practice, human violence, rationality-but generally focus on how a growing understanding of ourselves and the world is changing our sense of how we should live. Harris’ work has been published in more than 20 languages and has been discussed in The New York Times, Time, Scientific American, Nature, Rolling Stone, and many other journals. He has written for The New York Times, The Los Angeles Times, The Economist, The Times (London), The Boston Globe, The Atlantic, Nature, The Annals of Neurology, and elsewhere. Harris also regularly hosts Waking Up, a popular podcast. Sam Harris received a degree in philosophy from Stanford University and a Ph.D. in neuroscience from UCLA. samharris.org/about/
The caste system served its purpose when it was conceived with roles(job definitions) defined in societies. The discrimination in terms of access to public spaces or even preventing people from switching careers based on caste was wrong. For eg seldom would you find a non Brahmin running a temple. Brahmins had access to the education/training and therefore could perform their job. But a trader or a lower caste person was never given the education/training on running a temple and therefore could not partake the profession. Equal opportunity for everyone should be the norm in society and with that the caste system itself would get dismantled. Discrimination will always exist though. Sati was banned more than 2 centuries ago in India. Indian civilization is amongst the oldest in the world and therefore change is not always welcome as customs and traditions have been carried forward for generations. Everyone evolves with time but that can be lengthy drawn out process. Technology is certainly an enabler to improve life but it is not the "be it all" in life. It is critical in todays day and age to protect the rights of minorities throughout the world. Constantinople (Instanbul, Turkey), Antioch( Syria) and Alexandria(Egypt) were the main centres of the Eastern Roman Empire and Christianity in the first millenium CE. Today there are less than 1% Christians left in these cities of Muslim ruled countries. India as a country has a pretty decent record of protecting minorities. Absolute power corrupts. There have been several genocides greater if not equal to the Holocaust which have not gotten the media coverage. The Jews are a wealthy lot of people and therefore they control the media and have had American support ever since the state of Israel came into existence. Vested interests are being disguised in religious wars. Islam singularly has probably been responsible for mass conversions and/or driving away people of other faiths in the countries run by them as history shows us and the examples shown above. Forceful conversions were even done by the Portuguese in Goa but is nothing compared to the scale of Muslim conversions.
"Constantinople (Istanbul, Turkey), Antioch (Syria), and Alexandria (Egypt) were the main centers of the Eastern Roman Empire and Christianity in the first millennium CE. Today there are less than 1% Christians left in these cities of Muslim ruled countries." While it is true that these cities were significant centers of the Eastern Roman Empire and Christianity, the claim that there are less than 1% Christians left in these cities today is misleading. Istanbul, for example, is a diverse city with a significant Christian population. While the proportion of Christians might have decreased over time, it is inaccurate to claim that they have been completely eradicated. Additionally, the decline in Christian population in these areas can be attributed to various historical and socio-political factors, not solely the influence of Islam. "India as a country has a pretty decent record of protecting minorities." While India has a history of religious diversity and pluralism, it is important to acknowledge that there have been instances of religious tensions and violence against religious minorities in the country. The notion that India has a flawless record of protecting minorities is an oversimplification. Incidents of discrimination, communal violence, and challenges faced by religious minorities have been reported over the years. "The Jews are a wealthy lot of people and therefore they control the media and have had American support ever since the state of Israel came into existence." This claim perpetuates an anti-Semitic stereotype. It is important to recognize that Jewish people, like any other religious or ethnic group, are diverse and cannot be generalized as a monolithic entity with control over media or political systems. The suggestion that Jewish people control the media or have undue influence is unfounded and unsupported by credible evidence. "Vested interests are being disguised in religious wars. Islam singularly has probably been responsible for mass conversions and/or driving away people of other faiths in the countries run by them as history shows us and the examples shown above." It is incorrect and unfair to attribute mass conversions or the displacement of people solely to Islam. Throughout history, numerous religious and non-religious factors have contributed to conversions and population movements. It is important to approach historical analysis with nuance, considering various social, political, and economic factors at play. "Forceful conversions were even done by the Portuguese in Goa but is nothing compared to the scale of Muslim conversions." Forceful conversions have unfortunately occurred in different periods and regions throughout history, often as a result of political or religious conflicts. While it is true that some instances of forced conversions took place during the Portuguese rule in Goa, comparing them to the scale of Muslim conversions is a problematic oversimplification. It is essential to acknowledge that religious conversions have been driven by a complex interplay of factors and cannot be solely attributed to any single religious group.
Constantinople (Instanbul, Turkey), Antioch( Syria/Turkey) and Alexandria(Egypt) were like the Vatican of those days. It would be safe to assume that Christianity spread to the remaining parts of those countries. Egypt has all but wiped out all Christians in Alexandria and Egypt. Instanbul might have a significant minority Christian population but when you look at them as a percentage of Turkey's population, it is insignificant much like the Christians in Karachi, Pakistan. But it seems like Lebanon and Syria still do have a sizeable Christian population. BTW Turkey has converted one of the largest cathedrals in the world, Hagia Sofia to a mosque. The Israel Palestine problem is a lot more complicated than mere building of additional settlements in so called occupied/disputed areas.The Temple of the Dome is the primary bone of contention in Jerusalem and the religious significance of the site to both, the Jews and the Muslims makes it complicated but certainly not necessarily a deadlock. Stoking religious sentiments has been the easiest time proven formula to incite people. Israel, over the last 7 decades has developed into a self reliant country with a lot of US backing as far as defense equipment and political backing is concerned. But it has had much more than its fair share of human rights violations. Palestine has created a ultra rich multi millionaire Yaseer Arafat whose family is having a ball in Paris. Most Islamic invaders probably prior to the mid 19th century engaged in forceful conversions as it would have been easier to control the population and there is enough evidence to that effect of the significant Muslim population in India prior to the partition of United India(India, Pakistan, Bangladesh and probably Burma too). India has been a victim of vote bank politics for the last 7 decades not unlike many other democracies in the world. Inspite of the fissures exploited and deepened by the British between the Muslims and Hindus, India has a stellar record of secularism. There is no bigger testament to the same considering that Indian Muslims are the 3rd largest Muslim population in the world. Hinduism is not a monolith like Islam. Iran, Saudi Arabia and Egypt have their singular religious heads. The INC has engaged in shameless appeasement of the Muslims in free India along with taking the Hindus in India for granted. Therefore the BJP is now turning a blind eye to the extremely isolated incidents of right wing Hindu fanaticism and vigilantism in the country. Most people are averse to fanaticism especially but not necessarily associated with a majority. Therefore BJP never really found its footing in general elections in India prior to the 90s. Modi has disguised his right winged ideology in the guise of development and won the last 2 general elections. How difficult can it be to provide basic necessities in life ? Pretty difficult in India and that is what Modi has solved. Cooking gas connections with fuel supply, tap water connections are now in progress, toilets, concrete houses for the under privileged. The change is quite significant considering how low the base level was in the country. On a side note, I was shocked to learn that Turkey has an extremely high literacy rate(95%+). There is nothing more dangerous than an intellectual jihadi.
You're actually comparing what a religion gives to humanity vs what countries have given when it comes to resources? What rubbish... people give, not religion. I think you're forgetting we built the first ever university and also lens. Widely used resources of today.
SEEE!!!... you are proving his point... Sam harris' point is right about some of you.. using some famous scientific breakthroughs of one's civilization to exaggerately show off to people how great one's civilization is despite the fact that there are other civilizations or tribes of people who invented many many more great things in this world that also have greater contributions for humanity... just because some famous scientific inventions come from the arabic world, it does not mean that this civilization is byfar the most advanced civilized civilization in the world and that it justifies arab or muslim world with all of its traditional practices and religious or political policies as the best role model for other civilizations to follow up with despite the fact this old civilization also preached slavery, and some inhumane pollicies based on religious belief.. it is irrelevant..
I am an atheist and an ex muslim. I used to think that sam only talks when he knows what he is talking about, but apparently not. The guy has no clue about the impact of the islamic civilisation and its scholars on the world today. Biology, algebra, astronomy, the science method it self and many many more were invented by scholars of the muslim world. Im not a fan of what has become of the muslim world today but that doesn't justify the lies that sam just told.
Admiral Brapdafi - hmm, so what happened to everything Hasan Ibn al-Haytham came up with? Oh yeah, Islam SHIT ALL OVER IT. When Al-Ghazali stated that cause and effect don’t exist, it’s just Allah, all science ground to a halt.
Biology? The Romans and the Greeks studied biology before any Islamic scholars. It was the Europeans who revolutionised it and made it what it is today. They also never taught us anything about astronomy that why could not see ourselves. The same with algebra, it was always going to be discovered! I'm sure the Arabs would have done much better if the weren't being taught the sun sets in a muddy puddle!
Universal bill of human rights also with separation of church and state as well as alegbra and also a bunch of other shit originated in the midde east china, ancient greece ect it is very arrogant to assume everything we have today came from western world
I agree with everything he has said but, No religion perpetrated as much mass genocide and complete annihilation of many cultures and civilizations across continents as Christianity.
Who Islam does not belong in the West 1/19/2020 NY State Office of Attorney General Ms. Letiti James Madam: I am appalled to learn you have seen fit to attend a conference of Muslims lawyers in NYC to be held on April 4th. Every single immigrant who came to our shores wanted to become an American but Muslims feel they have a better religion and any association with other faith would only devalue Islam. The contradictory message played havoc with the Muslim kids born or raised here. Their peers shunned them these kids had no choice but to befriends other Muslims facing similar ostracism. This was the group that in 2015 welcomed the call to fight for Islam by ICIS in Syria and they did it by the thousands, those survived came back as experienced soldiers to fight another day, not necessarily for the USA. This was not a difficult choice since Koran forbids Believers to befriend Christians or Jews. Few can match Muhammad’s nauseating habits. He loved 6 yr old girls and married one. Told followers to marry 4 but married 11 himself. He cockled his adopted son Zaid and publicly admitted that his latest revelations were put in his mouth not by Allah but the devil himself. He hated democracy as a consequence all 64 Muslim countries in the UN are run by deranged dictators, who do not accept democracy nor permit free elections. As a result, all individuals challenging the rulers are either jailed or killed. Can you please urge these lawyers in this land of the free will not only not accept their faith without serious amendments to bring them up to standards found in all civilized countries in the West. We will never tolerate a law that lets Husbands beat their wives to pulp or divorce them at will. A religion that permits a wealthy man to pay blood money and a poor thief to lose his hand can never be defended or tolerated. Our founding fathers Jefferson, John Adam and son J.Q Adam along with Mark Twain and Winston Churchill have all denounced Islam as an abomination since Islam claims this life in only a test and the real rewards like rivers of Milk and Honey along with 72 virgins await you only in the hereafter. Nusrat Rizvi Palm City FL
but sam, the entire mathematics, algorithm, algebra etc were all arab inventions! and these inventions werent used to make zealotry more accurate as far as i am concerned
Dear Sam .... love your articulate thoughts and presentation but .... not research. I genuinely suggest to research regarding Indian systems better.Two things ... Please research on the scientific discoveries of Indian whether it was space, mathematics, surgery, chemistry etc etc.... you'll be shocked at the progress. From Atom to gravity to plastic surgeries were all performed and not just that ..... to have a holistic understanding of biology ... with various programs such as breathing exercise and yoga. show the advanced knowledge. Sati system was a crooked nonsense created by Christian missionaries to justify their presence to the British east India company. Just like to this day how US justifies attacking Iraq, Syria by making them look terrible even though an average citizen in Iraq enjoyed far better facilities than an average citizen in the US before the invasion. Actually the practise of Jauhar or self-immolation ... was done by women during Islamic invasion of India because they rulers would capture the losing kingdoms women and used them as sex slaves. Same thing as ISIS is doing today. Funny thing is during british rule they mention thousands of cases of sati in bengal ... but the word or self-immolation has nothing to do with the local language or tradition. It is from far western state of Rajasthan where as Bengal is the far eastern state. That itself shows the lie. Please watch this. th-cam.com/video/apTNtSWjsQk/w-d-xo.html
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I was born and raised as a muslim and I lived in middle east for 42 years of my life. I believe that islam is the reason of the misery the region have been living for the last 14 centuries.
...really Bilal...or you are just ignorant of your own colonial history and Islam....go and do some honest research for once...
@@mahamohamoha5039 do you know me enough to call me ignorant or you call people names because you're hurt?
How can you tell i didn't do research?
"for once"? Really?
You are so baseless!
@@bilalyaser5870 unless you can support with what you have said....just being ignorant...do you realised all the socalled muslim countries had been colonised by western christians...and after they left they installed western stooges to perpetuate their colonial masters rule and these countries are subservient and subjudicated for ever...any signs of Islamic revival is suppressed and oppressed by these western stooges who are now in power....and this to the detriment of the masses and the countries....not much development
@@mahamohamoha5039 "ignorant", "stooges", "masters" using insulting terms nums your feeling of defeat? Does it hurt that your "Christian colonials" enemies stopped your ancestors from trading and raping women and children when they invaded the miserable islamic regions? Does it hurt you that your most hated enemy "Christian colonialists" established a system that makes you as a woman equal, not half, to men in testimony and heritage? and all different sects of Muslims equal?
Isn't islam the imperialist colonialist cult that spread by shedding blood and destroyed great civilizations, languages and heritages of Egypt, Persia, Nubia and Pezantia as examples? What development your talking about? Isn't islam against art, music, equality, human basic rights of life and dignity? And stop using insulting terms because it shows you bitter. You don't need to copy the cussing and cursing from kuran, it was composed by a disturbed mind!
Wow Bilal..... Really commendable. I really appreciate this truth.
Sam you exposed them in style. Good job.
@adam cohen hahaha 10 months later. I'm sure he's not here.
Bullshit
@@noorunnabiikhan7374 cope
Most of what he said would apply to us as well although we are not as bad as the Arab world we are a far cry from the examples he is saying,below every video that remotely criticises Islam I always find hordes of our countrymen(assuming indian) just rejoicing and showering praise on the speaker when he eventually turns the mirror on us,we have to honestly ask ourselves if we are even capable of accepting constructive criticism
@Dsouza Thomasbhai you will Go to Hell I promise 😜
Sam Harris is fantastic! He is not pandering, he is saying what he personally believes, not just trying to get an applause from a crowd that «agrees» on everything
He knows diddly about Islam.
except the fact that he talks rubbish
By the estimates of historians, during the Mughal period in India, at least 80 million Hindus were killed and countless more were converted by sword and sold to slavery by the Islamic rulers. Hundreds of thousands of Hindu temples were destroyed in North India and Central India. Some of the most important ones were converted into Mosques in order to showcase Islamic conquest. These atrocities including this largest genocide in the human history were done in the name of Islam. So Islamic barbarism is not a recent phenonmenon. Quran teaches exactly this kind of behavior.
Hearing Sam Harris explain things for the first time is like being suddenly cured after a lifetime of deafness.
Excellent. Few finer points to add. Just as racism is punishable by law in the West so is Casteism punishable by Indian law.. One additional point Sati was abolished by joint efforts of British Governor & a Hindu reformer called Raja Rammohan Roy who was credited & decorated by British. Roy went to UK lived there until his death Roy’s tomb still exists in Bristol UK. Reformation was & is possible because unlike Quran Hindus were not given perfect words of God that cant be changed. Needless to say Quran is compilation of bad ideas
By which standard is Casteism a "bad idea" ?
@@MJtotheGhost By human moral standards, common sense & also Indian law casteism i.e. prejudice or discrimination based on caste is illegal. Please check & reply where the following statement is written. "All men ( humanity) are created equal". That is your homework. TC
@@Agnidev12 Which human moral standard and common sense ? That of the invading British or that of the Indians ?
"Which human moral standard and common sense ? That of the invading British or that of the Indians?"
Cultural relativism is the shield of a moron.
There are myriad reasons why it's a bad, immoral practice. And you already know all of them.
Stop apologizing for traditional evil.
@@Jeff-cn9up abu janazah is a muslim. it was a rhetorical question he asked
This is probably the best speech I have come across in a very long time. Short, precise and to the point, this deserves recognition. - Thank you to the channel owner for sharing this video.
"I count Christianity as the main offender..." ... Thank you, Mr. Harris. And Islam continues the tradition that Christianity finally left behind.
He tends to speak very well. Approaches an argument from multiple angles
I work in a political youth party in Norway and we just had a speaker talk about extremism , and when we talked about Islam I said that it's important that we talk about the consequences of these spesific beliefs and that we talk about the motivations behind it. Everybody agreed but when I tried to say that Islamic extremism is the most pressing issue of our time people objected and said that Islam is a religion of peace. I tried to point out that they are literally screaming "God is great" when they blow them self up and that their prophet was a terrible warlord compaired to other prophets. They said that Christianity has bad history to and I tried to say that it's irrelevant for our corrent surcomstance. I even said that it's a very very small % that are extremist (although Pew research suggest otherwise) But they refused to listen to me. You just can't get through!
Maximillian.....i feel your pain - there's no hope for people who refuse to speak the truth! The truth is just the truth, good bad or ugly. Its the truth, simple as that
You re an idiot. Poor Norway with you
Numbers 31 The Lord said to Moses, 2 “Take vengeance on the Midianites for the Israelites. After that, you will be gathered to your people.”
3 So Moses said to the people, “Arm some of your men to go to war against the Midianites so that they may carry out the Lord’s vengeance on them. 4 Send into battle a thousand men from each of the tribes of Israel.” 5 So twelve thousand men armed for battle, a thousand from each tribe, were supplied from the clans of Israel. 6 Moses sent them into battle, a thousand from each tribe, along with Phinehas son of Eleazar, the priest, who took with him articles from the sanctuary and the trumpets for signaling.
7 They fought against Midian, as the Lord commanded Moses, and killed every man. 8 Among their victims were Evi, Rekem, Zur, Hur and Reba-the five kings of Midian. They also killed Balaam son of Beor with the sword. 9 The Israelites captured the Midianite women and children and took all the Midianite herds, flocks and goods as plunder. 10 They burned all the towns where the Midianites had settled, as well as all their camps. 11 They took all the plunder and spoils, including the people and animals, 12 and brought the captives, spoils and plunder to Moses and Eleazar the priest and the Israelite assembly at their camp on the plains of Moab, by the Jordan across from Jericho.
13 Moses, Eleazar the priest and all the leaders of the community went to meet them outside the camp. 14 Moses was angry with the officers of the army-the commanders of thousands and commanders of hundreds-who returned from the battle.
15 “Have you allowed all the women to live?” he asked them. 16 “They were the ones who followed Balaam’s advice and enticed the Israelites to be unfaithful to the Lord in the Peor incident, so that a plague struck the Lord’s people. 17 Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, 18 but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.
Don't throw stones at us when your own house is made up of glass.
Also the Muslim world never had an Age of Enlightenment in the way the Western World has.
Many of the ideas of the European Enlightenment were copied from Islamic sources without due credit given. In astronomy, medicine, mathematics, philosophy etc.
@@magnolia8626 it's actually the other way around
Even as a muslim, i really like the way this guy delivers his speech, he's very calm, relaxed, also some of his points i really do agree with
Muhammad Syamil Unfortunately the more bigoted people which is sizable won't take your side.
You aren't muslim lol.
Then why stay Muslim?
@@nightprowler6336
Wait what? What does that have anything to do with me staying muslim or not?
@@mosamuel7708 cuz he's been trashing your religion with facts and u praise him for it lol
The Indian Hindus apologising against Sam's example just shows how they just like hearing Islam bashing but won't have an point of I.Q to understand what's Sam saying about the Hinduism's own problems
Sati was a rare practice among royal women, who under 700 years of Islamic invasion if captured would become sex slaves.
Caste the word as well as the system was an import from Europe. Sure people have internalized it today. Thanks to generous promotion by the church.
Bullshit Hinduism apologetics form chandramouli.
Funny how people don't know a single thing about hinduism continue to bash it on topics like sati,caste system and such. Lol to them, I just wanna say that Hinduism is a religion which accepts atheists and criticism of God. There are no definite rules. If you have an iq high enough or can see what's not apparent, you'll understand my point.
@@Jeff-cn9up typical blind libtards who don't even understand what's going on copulate to produce jeffs
@@kibuskaa islam got no sex slave or any in that matter. People confuse pre-islamic era with islamic era. If you think arabs were cruel during islam. You would hate to know what happened before islam. Sam harris is ranting. Liberals want atheism to succeed and lead. But most inventors were people who had faith in something. Regardless of their race, religion. People used to be more tolerant than now.
I agree with his point on caste system in India, its absurd. By the way, Widow killing aka Sati is illegal in India. Like everywhere, there are always those few who will screw ruin things for everyone, Hinduism does have those few folks unfortunately. Good thing is, India's literacy rate is going up, internet and westernization are helping for sure. I am a proud Hindu.
You must admit however that idol worship makes no sense at all. There is a remark in the Old Testament of the Bible, to the effect tsht those who worship idols will become like them---------deaf, blind, an dumb, speaking figuratively.
The religious festivals which birthed the global wave of Delta covid-19 were not something of which to be proud.
He acknowledged that Sati was illegal when he said that it was stamped out by the British, Portuguese and Dutch.
Top notch even by his own standards.
I'm glad that Sam Harris speaks the truth about Islam! 😀
Get the Jew to talk about the history of Islam...sounds right
Wayne Wallace is he not a Jew you fucking idiot
@Wayne Wallace no you idiot it was because of one American and British support and two because we invaded it not for religion but to free the country that Isreal had decided to take Palestine
I really found this worthy! Sam you really exposes the ideas of so called religions and listening you seem worthy
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Aristotle and Greek philosophers were preserved by the Romans (Byzantine Empire) not Islamic civilizations. The Romans preserved the works in Latin, Greek, and Arabic. The fact that the Ottomans destroyed everything but the Arabic writtings after they conquered Constantinople shows how smart the Romans were not how Islam was keen on preserving great works like Aristotle.
Atta Boy!
...that's not true though
The diamond of spirituality lives in Advaita...from the Indian Vedas.
Sam practices meditation. It would have been good if he mentioned this.
Caste
@@devannaidoo7887 yes caste is an amazing topic!!!
A kid is same caste as his parents by birth but, It's decided by what he does in life according to his capabilities. It's so good practice to classify human professions.
@@pradeepksao Nonsense. You're deceitful. Stop pulling the wool over our eyes. Caste is for life. It's enshrined in the vedas and gita. Breaking caste fault lines is forbidden. Even Gandhi subscribed to this belief. 250 million Dalits (untouchables) live and die in utter misery, consigned to a life of hard labor and barred from higher ranks. The most evil and vial social hierarchical system in the world...
Gita 18.47: It is better to engage in one's own occupation, even though one may perform it imperfectly, than to accept another's occupation and perform it perfectly. Prescribed duties, according to one's nature, are never affected by sinful reactions.
Caste is for life. You will never find a brahmin shoveling shit. Caste is a disgrace and a curse, a blight on humanity. It will eventually lead to the demise of beloved India if it's not sincerely addressed. Your attempt to obfuscate caste practices in India is sad.
@@devannaidoo7887 you got me wrong Prick
@@pradeepksao The truth hurts huh. A country that normalizes inequality, discrimination and suffering of others like India has will never have peace. History bears testimony to that.
TY Mr. Harris , I think you hit the nail on the head w/this video. Theres allways excuses & claims of bigotry whenever an honest discussion of Islam takes place, yet they will make bigoted claims against other religions. Lastly moderate muslims do not exist, they are only moderate till their neighbors & relatives start demanding Sharia law for themselves. I've studdied Religion as a whole along w/all its different denominations & Islam is the Worst of all the religions that have made it to the modern era but refuses to reform itself because its followers are so brainwashed that they believe the Koran, Haddiths & Sharia Law are Perfect & they have the right to enforce them on all of humanity.
Why do you say that it is the worst of all religions?
Stfu bro you know nth about Islam you are the one who’s brainwashed by the media.
the west wasn’t and isn’t free of casteism . Racism essentially is a type of casteism!
This man is a hero.
This man is a zero bigot with no knowledge.
his female counterpart is heroine?
Qur’an 10:94
You couldn't even understand a simple passage of the Quran when you read it.
Ha ha ha.
Funny muslim.
It says: read the bible, if you do you'll know the quran is a vert bad and poor copy attempt.
You said you've read the bible so you must know what I'm talking about.
Muhammed was a stupid fool who had no idea what a book was. He did not read any book of any prophet at all.
You did.
So you know muhammed was no prophet.
And prophets are not send with a book.
There was no injil ever, muhammed just made that up to impress stupid Arabs.
NOT Bible, you dumbass. Bible Is THE NAME
Word. Greek word meaning book collection.
There were no "Scriptures revealed to Moses (Musa) and Jesus (Isa)" , Moses was a Jewish prophet and would never accept muhammeds claims and Isa is not Jesus.
You're so confused..
I think you need some sleep.
Sam Harris :Hi, im thankful for the interest you come to orchestrate about the issue of Islam as the debate is growing nowadays.Also, the version you're presenting of Islamis is correct and it's the prevalent version of a dogmatic religion presented by scholars of The Omayad and Abassid eras..This version at least served as it serves now a justification of a barbaric religion .Yet, the word Islam got plunged into contradictory concepts and values because an other version of the 'sacred' /'divine' discourse comes to into play within theological narratives that is of the Hadith .Here lies a structural confusion as to better understand the religion: Two divine discourses which often get into contradiction.The scholars of the islamic empire had to coin a new narrative centered about the prophet Mohamed and this led to making /attributing hadiths to the prophet as a counterforce for christianity .Then , thousands of hadiths were made to amplify the miracles and sayings all done by the prophet.Therefore , the hadith becomes divine as a text which precedes the text of the Koran as most of muslims now argue
using the hadith as valid reference.That was the biggest crime ever committed in history as the text of the Koran is quite and totally different from hadith.I was astonished when i found concepts of freedom, peace and humane coesxistence are the most stressed in the Koran discourse .Id like very much to advise you to deal with the text of the Koran only as a text using interdisciplinary linguistics if your concern is academic and truth seeking. / ( I would recommend you read the work of Mr Chahrour , syrian scholar who approached the text of the Koran from inside.It's fascinating and mind blowing as Islam ends up to be universal and it's a refined version of the revelations ' (as the text states clearly) of Noah, Abraham,Moise, Jesus and Mohamed. )
When I was a teenager I was chatting with a teenager Hindu GIRL then I asked her about the Sati practice which Sam asserts is a product of an entirely Hindu/ Indian religious culture. This girl told me that this PRACTICE must have been borrowed by the HINDUS from the MUSLIMS. That the MUSLIMS have taught the HINDUS the Sati PRACTICE and then the HINDUS simply adopted it . But according to Sam Harris Sati is entirely a Hindu/ Indian PRACTICE. We need to study the Sati how it STARTED and who was to blame for this PRACTICE.
Don't think that Hindu girl has any idea
@@karthicksowndharraj7877 lol
It was Indian Raja Ram Mohan Roy along with others started a movement to end sati system.
Do not fail to give a small credit to William Carey, an english Baptist missionary.
Thanks.
"Sam Harris History of Islam" I watch it later, not now, because this is a public-library type computer
7:46 One correction sir. The practice of Sati was stamped out after a movement of Raja Ram Mohan Roy (a Hindu). No religion is perfect, it needs to be changed over time which we call reform. Extremists are against it and other support it but not for their own religion.
And if you come to caste system, I don't know how it is related to religion. Caste system is a hypocrite tradition which got, unfortunately, blended with religion. I'm happy that gradually (at very slow pace) we are abandoning these ill traditions.
For the first time I saw a person who has similar view on peaceful religion. Being a Hindu, I believe Jainism and Buddhism (to some extent) are the most peaceful religion in the world. But who knows it would need a reform in future like Islam badly needs now.
No such thing as caste system. It was called Varna Ashram and had nothing to do with superiority or inferiority. Just got corrupted by some people.
The British were behind stamping it out as well....I'm sure they had indigenous help, but British liberal reformers and western missionaries were appalled by Sati and wanted it gone.....whether it was a "white man's burden" type thing or not is immaterial...the British were instrumental in stamping it out.
You don't know the original history.
Sati pratha was formed by Muslims check out on internet.
Hinduism is not just a religion it is a culture, based on science.
Look at the carvings on Hindu Temple.
It shows men and women as equal.
" Haan but hindu khud hi khud ki kabar khod te h."
Go deep down the fact of every hindu spritual 💯% of them are meaning full.
Some publications like Wire, HT clears the mind and make it against us.
Don't be atheist be Hindu if you are a Hindu
I'm not imposing anything but i am just telling you to beleive in Hinduism.
Aristole was preserved by the Byzantines as well. St Thomas Aquinas relied on Greek text from Corinth.
this is one of the few times I disagree with sam.
there were few kilometeres of baghdad that had more learned people at that time than any where else in the world, at that time.
the comparison with newyork is absurd. there were no nobel prize comittes at that time. There wasnt even established research and peer review publication practices.
Also he doesnt understand how islam and muhammad promote and place high value in learning. Not just islamic learning, learning everything.
It is said that Ashkanazi jews are over represented in nobel prize winners.
Yet we cant find any jewish name worth mentioning in the field of science before the 20th century. We have the Newtons, the Archemdies, the Galelios, Laplaces etc. No Jews.
They dont promote learning for science or of Philosophy they don't promote thinking. They laid out their absolutist Philosophy and commanded everyone not to question it. Omar burned libraries as caliph saying we have one answer to everything same was done by other muslims over the time. Bagdad was rich in thought because of wars that islam raged, constraining thinkers in one place they questioned the quran too. This is why they are distinguished as thinkers because they questioned, they were not 'good' muslims
It's good to think better off one self as west does now. Don't mistake me I am a indian hindu whose history for past 4000 years has been subjugation and last 1000 years has been worse. Yet it's wrong to say a way of thinking is wrong as you say for Indian or Arabic. Yes Muslim insertions have caused far greater pain to us than the Western civilisations. A thriving, inclusive and superior economy was brought to grinding halt but the abrahamic traditions. Yeah we would have been better off without Western influence. Our culture has always been debating finding solutions. The caste crisis that current generation was left with has multiple facets in its culmination and economy was one of the most important one. Castes played a great role in india been one of the strongest and stable economy for thousands of years (can be evidently seen from (0-1000 AD ). Then it become stagnant and stopped the progress of our society. Our people with the tradition of debate and respecting knowledge without discrimination would have figured it out and self corrected it if not for the colonial Forces of West including Islam didn't violently invaded India...
There are a countess number of books written against Christ & Christianity , and movies made against Christ. Christians never go to extent of killing the writers/makers. This speaks volumes about the faith.
Heyyy I remember this video! It’s the video that red pilled me
Lol yea, this video was a brutal takedown.....
" zip codes in Massachusetts and New York..." fuckin brutal.
Though I agree with Sam on many things, the first outlawing of Sati was put into law by the Muslim Mughal emperor of India Akbar I in the 1500s. After that by law it could only happen if women volunteered which some would have. Obviously there still forced satis happening but the first time it was outlawed and the practice was banned from being forced on women was under Muslim rule
A perfect 9mins. - Sam's Bulldog
Regardless whether its behavioral manifestation are 'moderate' or 'extreme', error remains error. This applies with regard to both jslam and atheism. Of course the public interest is better served when peaceful coexistence is possible, but the souls of those deceived by any form of wither doctrine must remain a concern for conscientious Christians.
Here's the gig man. as far as inner turmoil goes.... they take the cake!
I consider myself an atheist, yet the claims here make my eyebrows rise a bit. What about algebra? The entirety of modern mathematics begins in Arab world’s golden age. Medicine, too. That doesn’t make them islamists better, but why would you hide the facts to prove your point to a biased audience?
Incorrect. Not only were Arab mathematicians deeply influenced by the mathematical tradition in India, they were also honest enough to credit the Indians for it. Now, by no means do I insist that they had nothing to contribute. I only sought to correct you insofar as it is not the _entirety_ of modern mathematics that began in the Arab world's golden age.
@@SamvedIyer Algebra came from Al-Khwarizmi
@@SamvedIyer not india
@@SamvedIyer algebra came from the Greeks Romans and Persians
Thank you for posting this, Sam Harris Talks (Fan Page)! 😀
Sam Harris’s criticisms are generally unambiguous, yet soft, measured and respectful. And I do not believe that he is an intolerant guy either, nor do I believe that he is driven by some ulterior agenda, other than speaking the truth as he understands and believes. He transcends the usual labels that we tag such a person with - viz., an atheist, anti-Abrahamic, an American, etc - he seems to epitomize a human with true integrity.
I am no authority on Abrahamic religions. However, it is nice to see Sam Harris trying to balance occasionally his argument with his opinion about some practices in other religions too. And yes Sam has firsthand information and knowledge on many of the topics that he speaks. Sam presented himself to the East physically, with open minds; he lived in the east for a decent time. Yes, Sam has a good knowledge of Hinduism, Buddhism, Jainism, Sikhism and other religions of the east. Yet, when I listen to him talking on religions and practices of the east, I quiver. I often wonder in despair that we easterners failed utterly in offering Sam Harris wisdom of what truly the eastern philosophies believed in and our practices meant. We must have had done an extremely poor job of presenting him a meaningful, yet truthful and factual past, including its 'real' serious shortcomings. Contrary to Sam Harris's claim, India has had its caste system since time immemorial, yet it remained the richest region on earth for over 10 millennia, until the 17th century. That fact alone should summarize the whole argument on caste system.
The Dutch, the Portuguese, the Spanish, the French, the British, and even the progressive Germans did not bring the western liberal democratic values to India - they brought missionaries and built Churches promoting another archaic and mediaeval belief system in the region. Other than for railways, they did not manufacture even a single nail in the subcontinent. On the contrary, they crushed all the indigenous self reliant yet advanced technologies. Remember the Dandi Salt march? Locals could not even produce their own salt and weave cloth. If the British indeed had believed in and promoted its coveted democracy, half the world would not have been its colony, and the USA would not have denied half of its population the voting rights, and denied the same to the entire coloured race for much of its history. You have to judge the non-religious institutions and ideas just like you would judge the religions of past, which is more by what was in practice than just written in the books.
Industrial revolution denied its share of success to the vast majority of its common people in the west until not long ago. And Mr. Trump is the very product of that same deprivation that is evident even to this day. It was also a bitter reckoning to Sam Harris and the people alike, simply because they willfully and blissfully disregarded the very existence of Trump mindset either. Sam Harris should listen to his own speech on Trump, and reflect better on those 'other' so called western values that half the Americas endorsed in the last election.
From the ages of Hellenistic democracies to the democracy of the Mr. Trump era all systems are deeply flawed, working systematically against the universal fundamental human values. Slavery was legal in the Greeks democracy. Everything that Hitler did until the day of his death was legal in the German courts and constitution; and everything that the American military has done in the last three centuries is legal either. If religions led to crusades and jihads, western democracies promoted intentional well thought out cruel deprivation of the entire masses of the other innumerable countries. Also, to this day democracies of all countries continue to work against many its own people in very evident and un-shameful ways, yet strongly endorsed by institutions and ideologies of respective democracies.
Today, people have choices for things like the tissues and toiletries that they use, not ideals like true information versus false propaganda. And we call that a free choice.
New World was then habited not by those seeking freedom and choice, but mostly by those escaping poverty and persecution. The western empires were built over the very graveyards of the commons whose sweat and the blood cemented their edifices. Science and pseudo-science aggravated their plight and technology powered with the idea of capitalism facilitated annihilation of the masses. It is not the science which builds the future, but the scientists who are conscientious and responsible. The measure of future worthy is how good the human values are among those scientists. North Korea cannot be a better place than Bali when it comes to quality of life, simply because Korea can launch long range missiles armed with nukes. From yet another perspective, if we believe that of all the parameters if children represent the best hope for our future, we should reflect simply on the birth rates; a country, with all its resources if cannot even replace its own dying population, surely is not invested in its future. Scientists have to come from somewhere else to do the science.
For some, a 500-year of Islamic golden age is less of an achievement, for none of that civilization produced any nukes, which would have been an achievement in today's standard. But I care less with those yardsticks and goalposts. And referencing to practices of various religions does not make ones argument more politically correct and less bigoted either. Let us save ourselves from the divisive organised religions and agenda driven pseudo humanists and scientists alike. True democracy is yet to be born anywhere on this planet, and the mother earth is yet to see a non-bigot son who can speak in one voice for the entire human race. In some countries people may be free to carry their own guns. And few more countries are freer to unleash terror on other countries in the name of democracy and freedom. And that may be an achievement more than a caveman could dream. Should we really value that kind of democracy and care to judge the cavemen?
From the middle to the 19th century until the middle of the 20th century Islam was cowed. It was not peaceful; it was demoralized. After the WW2, the aspirations of Muslim were dominated by nationalism, socialism etc. The Six-Day War discredited these movements. The vacuum was filled by Muslim fundamentalism. The Iranian Revolution and the defeat of the Russians in Afghanistan embolden the Islamic Jihadis. Islamic umma returned to the habits of a thousand years.
Iran was a Zoroastrian country with a sizeable number of Christians, Jews, Buddhists living there before the savage onslaught of Muslim Arabs in the 7th century. With massacres after massacres , Iranian were submitted to the rule of invaders. Many were forced by sword and many more through unjust treatment under colonial, discriminatory, and repressive Sharia law, converted to Islam.
Iran was a great nation of Art, industry, architecture, culture and civilization when Muslim Arabs with their peaceful religion, invaded and plundered it.
On the one hand we have discussing of problems within a muslim community being stopped after a lecture so that the muslims have to discuss matters "in secret" in the corridor outside instead. On the other hand we have people on social media accusing individual muslims for misconducts in Saudiarabia without even knowing his/her stands on related matters except for being a muslim.
Look , just to begin , the problem begins long ago , with the 1st Abrahamic Religion , which consider their faith the only true faith , between other problems that it has , then the 2nd Abrahamic Religion , brings a new and worse problem that is this necessity of to convert people and the 3rd Abrahamic Religion , is as bad as the other ones , and it was violent from the beginning , even more violent the the 2nd one was in the past , as the 3rd one Arabised and Islamised by force, violence and raping , the whole north of the Middle East and the whole North of Africa , and nearly did the same to the South of Europe .
.....care to bring facts or are you featuring in the next video ?
Sam, you have stated some nonsense about Hinduism and India, and your comparison to Western values is completely flawed and intellectually shallow….
Firstly, Sati was a fringe practice that goes against the tenets of the Bhagavad Gita (one of the major Hindu texts) since suicide is considered to be the biggest sin. It was very rare, and had been abolished at times before the British came. The caste system is not an integral part of Hindu religious belief, but more of a societal issue; think about it, what caste are the Hare Krishnas (they don’t have any caste, but are still Hindus)? The caste system has been blown out of proportion by the West. How does the caste system compare to the brutal slavery that the West was responsible for against Africans and then the racist attitudes of the West towards other human beings? Remember MLK drew inspiration from Gandhi, an Indian, in order to rid segregation of the African Americans in the U.S.
The West has been responsible for witch burnings, slavery, racism, genocide (Native Americans, Jews in WWII), brutal imperialism, segregation, oppression of homosexuals, and the dropping of atomic bombs that incinerated over 200,000 innocent children, women, and men, numerous wars and support of cruel regimes all over the world, etc. The West still eats animals on a daily basis and displayed a total disregard for non-human life.
The progress that the west has made has primarily been made possible with the exploitation of other humans. The British empire, extracted resources from other lands. The U.S. was established on the territory of Native Americans after stealing their land and killing them off, and was made prosperous economically by the forced labor of slaves taken from Africa.
Essentially, while the West certainly has produced many great inventions, don’t forget that witch burnings, imperialism, slavery, genocide, segregation, stealing land, the atomic bomb, apartheid, etc. are also Western “advances”.
In contrast, the Hindu civilization (India), which is thousands of years older, has not participated in any imperialism whatsoever. India never invaded any other country, was devoid of slavery, respected the sanctity of all sentient life; it gave the world tenets of nonviolence, spirituality, yoga, vegetarianism, notion of karma, etc….
70% of the world’s vegetarians are in India, showing how comparatively backward the west is with respect to respecting the sanctity of all life…In India, do you see kids being shot up in schools? The rest of the world is confused by the obsession of guns in the U.S. and the inability to protect children at school…It’s needless to say that spiritually, India has always been far advanced compared to the West.
And don’t forget the fact that the divorce rate in the U.S. is 50% compared to 1% percent in India. And western countries on average have a very high divorce rate. Effectively what that suggests is that the west has completely failed miserably compared to a place like India when it comes to the institution of marriage. What good are all the inventions when you can’t even keep a family unit together?…In countries like India, parents are respected, and taken care of whereas in large part in the West, the elderly are just thrown into nursing homes. How advanced is that? Are those human rights?
Let me reiterate that India has been spiritually, way more advanced, and has shown more success in keeping families together than the West…
Incidentally, Hinduism is one of the few religions in the world that does not condemn homosexuality, in contrast to the Western religions.
India has had a female head of the country, Hinduism is the only religion in the world that worships the feminine form and energy. India just passed a bill that would insure 30% of seats in the parliament reserved for women. Has the U.S. done that? So where are the human rights?
India has been accepting toward every religion for thousands of years. It is one of the few countries in the world in which there was no discrimination or hatred against the Jews. So I suggest that you rethink your notion of human rights being a western invention, particularly in the context of the holocaust, hatred towards Jews, racism, segregation, etc.
Overall, the Indian civilization has shown a far greater respect for life and has killed (and inflicted pain upon) less number of both human beings and other sentient living creatures compared to the West.
With respect to the West and India, next time maybe you should think more broadly and do some homework before talking. You don’t want a “pot calling the kettle black” (a Western phrase) situation.
Where is this piece from?
Spot on... islam is the dark ages
Freedom from religion is Hinduism !
Hinduism is not at all a religion in the sense of Islam , christianity or Judaism.
It is not a particular belief system.
So much so that even if you do not believe in any God ,still you can be called Hindu.
It does not confine you to one or few books, one prophet and a particular way of worship.
In fact, there are thousands of ancient scriptures ,talking widely different, about questions that arose in human mind ,from time to time , on all sort of things.
it has evolved over tens of thousands of years in the Indian peninsula and still continues to evolve.
Social evils like caste ,or identities ,can develop over time in all societies and are then tackled.
But that may take years and years , depending upon the diversify and enormity of civilization,
besides the foreign invasions and occupation of the region.
The name Hindu itself is not found in the ancient indian scriptures.
It is a description of civilization between Himalayas and Indu ,meaning oceans.
it is a civilization of seekers and its people were never constrained to any one belief system or a religion.
Members in one house,very commonly worship different Gods or no God, or create ones own God, which may suit to ones temperament.
Finally only human values matter in Hinduism.We are all one big family on planet earth.
" Vasu dhaiv kutumb kam "
That is Hinduism.
There are as many interpretations of Hinduism as there are the educated Hindus in the world... You have one of yours.
Fuck off
That speech has become a reference on Islamic development.
While I agree with most of your points, please do not spread misinformation about India. Sati was not abolished by western oppressors. Raja Ram Mohan Roy was the one who worked against child marriage and sati. India was doing well scientifically until 1000 years of oppression by mughals and british. I do agree that India had and still have the caste system and other barbaric practices but you cannot discount the scientific achievements before India was enslaved.
Are you kidding me? This mohan guy was a liberal product. Why didn’t anyone did anything before the British rulers.
What scientific achievements are you talking about we didn't even invented a light bulb in our thousands of years of history. All we invented was bunch of barbaric stuffs.
@@maheshhardasani787 Lol. The self loathing is high in you. India was the center of science and technology before the islamic invasion.
General info:
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_science_and_technology_in_the_Indian_subcontinent
Surgery:
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sushruta
Philosophy and Reasoning:
plato.stanford.edu/entries/logic-india/
Maybe read a little before making a fool of yourself in public forum.
@@fantasyfootball804 countries who were reduced to rubble after WW2 developed in short period of time. Germany was destroyed completely yet in such a short period of time went from nothing to currently strongest and powerful country in Europe, taiwan with the Taiwanese miracle, etc. So what has India achieved in 75 years of independence? It still ranks worst in hunger index, the quality of life is so low. So all i can is say you are an ignornat fool like any other Hindu nationalist living a sad life.
@@maheshhardasani787 Lol. I am neither a nationalist nor a country haters like you. You are just as insufferable as those bhakts. They dont see anything bad and you dont see anything good.
Germany is a very small country and they were industrialized. India lost a lot of our economy during ww2. We paid for the British war. Go read the books by Shashi Tharoor on this subject.
India's contribution to the world GDP went from 23% to less than 2% during the british rule. Life expectancy dropped to 27 years. Do you know how many Indians died because of ww2? Or are you naive enough to think that just because we weren't bombed, we didnt suffer. We suffered famines because our food was stolen. Read about the Bengal famine.
Europe received a lot of money from the US which also made the US a superpower especially after Nixon moved off gold standard and essentially stole from the Europeans.
We have a population problem and centuries of brutal oppression to overcome. Comparing that to Europeans shows how ignorant you are. Post war the west saw massive growth fuelled on the back of colonialism as they had all the industries and the US had control of money.
I don't know where you live but as someone who has been living in the west for a decade, I can assure you that things are getting bad here. Now that the benefits of colonialism is starting to dry up, things arent as rosy.
Young people are depressed, arent having sex and have negative population growth as a result. Do you know why? Because they dont have the standard of living that boomers enjoyed. They cant buy a home or take vacations and this will continue to get worse as the rest of the world catch up. Maybe learn a thing or two before accusing others of nationalism. Bhakts and librandus like you are very alike - little knowledge lots of complaints.
Sam Harris 👍
BRAVO, SIR! BRAVO!
Where is this from? Making sense? Which episode if so?
Is this on spotify?
Why doesn't Sam mention any of the negatives of Western culture, like the White Man's burden, colonialism, transatlantic slavery, the atom bomb etc.
as a half spaniard i take offense on that coment lol 8:05 xD lol
Where can I listen to the full speech?
History is irreversible, Islam and other cultures also have its downside. Modern science developed by the west is a fact. This statement is different if you live in medieval times when the Islamic world advanced with science.
Muhammad fought for his mission to succeed even in the face of the violence of his people, that is why the verses of violence are found in the Quran. If Muhammad was accepted peacefully by his people, there might not be violent verses in the Quran.
But Islam is not that. Islam is belief in only one God who created the universe and then to do good during life. In order to be happy in the afterlife. This is what Muslim believe. Peace.
Compassionate and brilliant.
Brutal takedown.
It is not a sign if bigotry to observe that most of human progress arose in the West...
Letter to the Reverend Ensor
Walters (1933), as quoted in
Bernard Shaw: Collected letters,
1926-1950 (1988) by Dan H.
Laurence, p. 305
"I have always held the religion of
Mohammad (p.b.u.h.) in high
estimation because of its
wonderful vitality.
It is the only religion which appears to me to possess that
assimilating capability to the
changing phase of existence
which can make itself appeal
to every age.
The world must doubtless attach
high value to the predictions of
great men like me.
I have prophesied about the faith
of Mohammad p.b.u.h. that it
would be acceptable to the
Europe of tomorrow as it is
beginning to be acceptable to the
Europe of today.
The medieval ecclesiastics, either
through ignorance or bigotry,
painted Mohammedanism in the
darkest colors.
They were in fact trained both to
hate the man Mohammed p.b.u.h.
and his religion.
To them Mohammed p.b.u.h. was
the Anti-Christ. I have studied him
-the wonderful man, and in my
opinion far from being an Anti- Christ he must be called the
Savior of Humanity.
I believe that if a man like him
were to assume the dictatorship
of the modern world he would
succeed in solving its problems
in a way that would bring it the
much needed peace and
happiness.
But to proceed, it was in the 19th
century that honest thinkers like
Carlyle, Goethe and Gibbon
perceived intrinsic worth in the
religion of Mohammad p.b.u.h.,
and thus there were some change
for the better in the European
attitude towards Islam.
But the Europe of the present
century is far advanced.
It is beginning to be enamored
of the creed of Mohammad p.b.u.h. .
I believe that if today an autocrat
of Mohammad's p.b.u.h. caliber
assumes world leadership, he
could solve all problems of
humanity splendidly.
The world will become an abode
of peace and happiness.
I predict that tomorrow's Europe
will embrace Islam."
(End of Bernard Shaw's letter)
This would be the same GB Shaw that defended Stalin's genocide then? Not sure I value his opinions much...
The entire letter falls apart the moment the false claim that Islam has changed over time arises
Both books agree that Jesus is the only virgin birthed blameless sinless messiah or savior Sura 19:19
The problem I have here is, is this a matter of religion? Or is this a matter of IQ?
But your problem stems from the fact that ISLAM is monolothic and you try to show that it is irredeemable. ISLAM is a vast phenomenon but you seem to be an ESSENTIALIST.
LOL yall getting mad by facts. He's literally just stating data.
Sam Harris why don't you debate Dr zakir Naik??
That would be funny.
A Neurologist vs A ‘medical docter’
Harris is too good for him.
Spot on
Some of his best work
Need to understand the cause of Sati problem.
Except 1 or 2 voluntary mentions of Sati(who believed to accompany her husband in afterlife) before Mughals came in India, this was not at all part of Indian Culture.
In order to save themselves from getting Raped, disgraced and sold to Arab masters as sex slaves, this culture started taking place in India by royal families.
With the end of Mughal era this process also diminished and now not a single case is there in India.
Sam literally has such a simple argument that takes absolutely NOTHING into account. political,socioeconomical, geopolitical, historical,
this guy literally thinks islam promotes cliterectomies. This guy LITERALLY knows NOTHING about islam
even the most anti islamic thinkers know better than him😂😂😂😂
I like Sam Harris very much, but I am flabbergasted at this video. If you study math, Arab names come up all the time from the contributions they made in that golden age. Of the stars that have names, 2/3 are Arabic, because of their contributions. There were also advancements in medicine, optics, physics, metaphysics. Not "some contributions to optics or something like that". This is a massive, massive misrepresentation. I'm incredibly disappointed on Sam here.
Short video, bit impactful
What episode is this?
Im not a fan of islam but to say that the history of it isn’t important is idiotic.
Which episode of the podcast this is from?
I don’t like my name now.
For what reason??
Rahime Rayane it literally partly means Legitimizing gays.
@@sharismad ohh now I can understand you, your name is Sharia 😄👌
I love this guy
If you want to learn how a plane works, you don't ask a chef do you? You ask an engineer who has qualified in that field. So if you want to learn about the history of Islam, why on earth would you ask Sam Harris who evidently doesn't know the first thing about Islam?
He brought up female general mutilation which is just a little snip and it's harmless but what about male Genital mutilation? How does he feel about that?
You are stupid beyond measure. You know doing that to girls makes them not enjoy sex right? In men it makes no difference. So you treat women as toys then?
His (Muhammad p.b.u.h.) stamina,
endurance and forgiveness, while he was in a commanding position:
his patience and firmness in
unfavorable conditions, were all
talents, attributes and qualities
Allah himself had given him. Even
wise men have their shortcomings,
but Allah's Messenger p.b.u.h.,
unlike everybody, the more he was
hurt or injured, the more gentle and patient he became. The more
rudeness and ignorance anybody
exercised against him, the more
enduring he became.
'Aishah (R.A.) said: "Whenever Allah's Messenger p.b.u.h. was
given the opportunity to choose
between two affairs, he would
always choose the easiest and
the most convenient. But if it be
sinful, he would be as far as he
could from it. He never took
revenge for himself; but when the
sanctity of Allah was violated, he
would avenge it. That would be for
Allah's sake not for himself."
He (p.b.u.h.) was the last one to
get angry and the first to be satisfied. His hospitality and
generosity were matchless. His
gifts and endowments manifest a
man who does not fear poverty."
Ibn 'Abbas(R.A.) said: "The Prophet
p.b.u.h. was the most generous. His generosity would be at its
extreme during Ramadan when the
angel Gabriel(A.S.) used to come to see him.
Gabriel(A.S.) used to visit him every night of Ramadan and
review the Qur'an with him.
Verily, Allah's Messenger p.b.u.h.
was more generous at giving
bounty or charity than the blowing
wind." pgs. 965-966 of The Sealed Nectar (Ar-Raheequl -
Makhtum) Biography of the
Nobel Prophet (P.B.U.H.)
Safiur- Rahman Al- Mubarakpuri
Darulisalam
You need to watch the video again
Ok he is good but ..he is full of shit also.. caste system in India is bad.. but it is culture issue.. nothing to do with religion... India has not certain religious book which everyone has to follow.. caste system is just a class system which has become little rigid.. and we are changing is and State where we live it is pretty much eradicated.... And I form himayaan state of India.. in my entire history we never heard of single sati incident.. and every historian says it never happened in northern region.. and it happened in few central India states.. but it was never forced.. it's just bullshit theory u HV made to make yourself feel better.. not a single incident of force sati was recorded in history.. some incident are where women willing did that cause of social and cultural reason.. I know our society is to blame for that to glorifies this practice of dieing with our husband.. but was never forced... And religion has nothing to do with it.. and above all I m Atheists but I can never ever be non Hindu.. coz it's a geographical identity.. people living in land between Himalayan and India oceans where called Hindus.. like Arab or Englishman..
It was well documented that sati was forced apon women that didn't want to do it lol
Dean Obeidallah and Reza Aslan are triggered!
Islam like all Religon is a from of control its just Islam is so ridged...Hail Oden
Living in 2018, looking back to all human rituals in the last 2000 years, they will look barbaric and animalistic. They must look like that because the environment was tough. Religions are quantum leaps in human consciousnes that gave humanity a reason to push forward and serve higher goals.
The west had a religion too. It wasn't christianity, it was the new world dream, what became later to be the American dream, what finally made usa a great nation and made all nations to look up to.
Indeed, like the old religions promoted wars and conquest, believing in god the creator of everything and wars as the means to divide the wealth created by god, we believe we are the creators ourselves.
We create wealth.
We create the world we live in, these cities, these cars and planes, this internet, all the products we use every day, we are not like the people before the industrial revolution, fighting each other to get our share, we fight at the frontiers of science and technology expanding the world we created and improving it.
While muslims and many old age religious people believe to be some slave or servant of the creator, we started to believe we were the children of the creator but then we realized we could be the creator and now wen know we are creative creatures able to build a better future for out children, like our parent created a better life for us.
I can remember a time when Sam Harris thought Robert Spencer was a loon for saying saying/observing about Islam exactly what Sam is now saying and observing.
I don't accuse Sam Harris of bigotry, but surely an absolute ignorant about India-Hinduism and super-arrogant of western exceptionalism!
1. If Hindu Culture was so bad and responsible for present accurately presented poverty stats, then how come India was the largest economy in the world history up until 1500-1600? What happened to India's economy, which was going down from the beginning of 2nd Millenium? Islamic Barbaric un-organized invasion-destruction and Europeans (His so-called evolved westerner ancestors) organized Imperialistic looting of India are responsible, it was the rise of Hindu culture after freedom, India is going upwards! First Western Right (Abrahamic Exclusivism) and now Western Left (American Exceptionalism-Exclusivism) are solely responsible for regressive India! Indian Right (Hinduism) and Indian True Left (Buddhism and Jainism) would have produced better India!
2. The word caste, linguistically Portege ze, which was essentially superimposed Western-European vertical socio-economic pyramids on Hindu Varna System (Organic horizontal separation of Four sector of any civilized society)! Varna System was essentially the first system that separated church, state, corporate and social services (Media, Labor, Education, Health...)! Western system is still struggling to separate church and state, and haven't even proposed to separate corporation from church, state and services, which is rather very evident, the root of their Healthcare and Crony-capitalism roller-coaster.
3. You should seriously study about 'Sati' in its purest Hindu form. As far as a colonial and Mughal era, when Hindu men were butchered by Europeans (So called civilized) and Middle-eastern invaders, women preferred to die instead of getting raped or enslaved.
4. In the contemporary world, three progressive thoughts are actually prominent in India as early as 500B.C.E, if not earlier: Vegetarianism, Advaitism (No Personal God-Atheism) and Yoga-Meditation. I sometimes wonder his when he speaks of Vipassana Meditation or some philosophies-Advaita Vedanta, that he thinks highly of, they are product of India, precisely Ancient Hindus. There were no random events, which produced such eternal tools of humanities, they were the product of evolving Hindu Culture. India had Hinduism (Non-dual Inclusive One Absolute), Buddhism (Zero Inclusive Absolute, Agnostics) and Jainism (No Absolute-Pure Atheism), co-existed pre-500 B.C.E.; and it was the time when so-called civilized Westerners primarily governed by Abrahamic exclusive Gods!
5. When they found out about a great civilization of Hindus-India, they manufactured Aryan Invasion theory (German Historian Max Muller) to sabotage India and cover up their barbaric civilization.
6. All civilizations had great ideas with scientific revolution, it was unfortunate that it did not transform into technology the way it did in the west! However Free abundant natural resources from Native America and Free abundant labor from African Slavery fueled American Revolution (now cheap labor from India-China) and More Free resources through Imperialism fueled European revolution are fundamental reasons, where the west was able to move on next human phase of technology, where others were looted and traumatized, had to think about their survival! There was nothing inherently superior (genetically or ideologically), as Sam Harris proposing, rather very deceptively, white (European or non-Muslim Abrahamic culture) supremacism!
Let me end with Gandhi's response when he was asked what he thinks about western civilization, He replied, "That would be a good idea..."
I didnt sign up to read a fucking book brauqh. hire an editor already.
The guy has superficial knowledge and just got a lot of publicity. He didn't study history, nor religion, nor civilizations, he is just a bigot.
are you talking about sam harris? if so, make shit up much?
Yes the guy who doesn't have much knowledge of history, civilizations, religions, and as a CON MAN convinced people that he is a scholar ? we are in the time of deception
Sam Harris is the author of five New York Times bestsellers. His books include The End of Faith, Letter to a Christian Nation, The Moral Landscape, Free Will, Lying, Waking Up, and Islam and the Future of Tolerance (with Maajid Nawaz). The End of Faith won the 2005 PEN Award for Nonfiction. His writing and public lectures cover a wide range of topics-neuroscience, moral philosophy, religion, meditation practice, human violence, rationality-but generally focus on how a growing understanding of ourselves and the world is changing our sense of how we should live.
Harris’ work has been published in more than 20 languages and has been discussed in The New York Times, Time, Scientific American, Nature, Rolling Stone, and many other journals. He has written for The New York Times, The Los Angeles Times, The Economist, The Times (London), The Boston Globe, The Atlantic, Nature, The Annals of Neurology, and elsewhere. Harris also regularly hosts Waking Up, a popular podcast.
Sam Harris received a degree in philosophy from Stanford University and a Ph.D. in neuroscience from UCLA.
samharris.org/about/
Expose them like hell
Islam is clear, read the Quran
The caste system served its purpose when it was conceived with roles(job definitions) defined in societies. The discrimination in terms of access to public spaces or even preventing people from switching careers based on caste was wrong. For eg seldom would you find a non Brahmin running a temple. Brahmins had access to the education/training and therefore could perform their job. But a trader or a lower caste person was never given the education/training on running a temple and therefore could not partake the profession. Equal opportunity for everyone should be the norm in society and with that the caste system itself would get dismantled. Discrimination will always exist though. Sati was banned more than 2 centuries ago in India. Indian civilization is amongst the oldest in the world and therefore change is not always welcome as customs and traditions have been carried forward for generations. Everyone evolves with time but that can be lengthy drawn out process. Technology is certainly an enabler to improve life but it is not the "be it all" in life. It is critical in todays day and age to protect the rights of minorities throughout the world. Constantinople (Instanbul, Turkey), Antioch( Syria) and Alexandria(Egypt) were the main centres of the Eastern Roman Empire and Christianity in the first millenium CE. Today there are less than 1% Christians left in these cities of Muslim ruled countries. India as a country has a pretty decent record of protecting minorities. Absolute power corrupts. There have been several genocides greater if not equal to the Holocaust which have not gotten the media coverage. The Jews are a wealthy lot of people and therefore they control the media and have had American support ever since the state of Israel came into existence. Vested interests are being disguised in religious wars. Islam singularly has probably been responsible for mass conversions and/or driving away people of other faiths in the countries run by them as history shows us and the examples shown above. Forceful conversions were even done by the Portuguese in Goa but is nothing compared to the scale of Muslim conversions.
"Constantinople (Istanbul, Turkey), Antioch (Syria), and Alexandria (Egypt) were the main centers of the Eastern Roman Empire and Christianity in the first millennium CE. Today there are less than 1% Christians left in these cities of Muslim ruled countries."
While it is true that these cities were significant centers of the Eastern Roman Empire and Christianity, the claim that there are less than 1% Christians left in these cities today is misleading. Istanbul, for example, is a diverse city with a significant Christian population. While the proportion of Christians might have decreased over time, it is inaccurate to claim that they have been completely eradicated. Additionally, the decline in Christian population in these areas can be attributed to various historical and socio-political factors, not solely the influence of Islam.
"India as a country has a pretty decent record of protecting minorities."
While India has a history of religious diversity and pluralism, it is important to acknowledge that there have been instances of religious tensions and violence against religious minorities in the country. The notion that India has a flawless record of protecting minorities is an oversimplification. Incidents of discrimination, communal violence, and challenges faced by religious minorities have been reported over the years.
"The Jews are a wealthy lot of people and therefore they control the media and have had American support ever since the state of Israel came into existence."
This claim perpetuates an anti-Semitic stereotype. It is important to recognize that Jewish people, like any other religious or ethnic group, are diverse and cannot be generalized as a monolithic entity with control over media or political systems. The suggestion that Jewish people control the media or have undue influence is unfounded and unsupported by credible evidence.
"Vested interests are being disguised in religious wars. Islam singularly has probably been responsible for mass conversions and/or driving away people of other faiths in the countries run by them as history shows us and the examples shown above."
It is incorrect and unfair to attribute mass conversions or the displacement of people solely to Islam. Throughout history, numerous religious and non-religious factors have contributed to conversions and population movements. It is important to approach historical analysis with nuance, considering various social, political, and economic factors at play.
"Forceful conversions were even done by the Portuguese in Goa but is nothing compared to the scale of Muslim conversions."
Forceful conversions have unfortunately occurred in different periods and regions throughout history, often as a result of political or religious conflicts. While it is true that some instances of forced conversions took place during the Portuguese rule in Goa, comparing them to the scale of Muslim conversions is a problematic oversimplification. It is essential to acknowledge that religious conversions have been driven by a complex interplay of factors and cannot be solely attributed to any single religious group.
Constantinople (Instanbul, Turkey), Antioch( Syria/Turkey) and Alexandria(Egypt) were like the Vatican of those days. It would be safe to assume that Christianity spread to the remaining parts of those countries. Egypt has all but wiped out all Christians in Alexandria and Egypt. Instanbul might have a significant minority Christian population but when you look at them as a percentage of Turkey's population, it is insignificant much like the Christians in Karachi, Pakistan. But it seems like Lebanon and Syria still do have a sizeable Christian population. BTW Turkey has converted one of the largest cathedrals in the world, Hagia Sofia to a mosque.
The Israel Palestine problem is a lot more complicated than mere building of additional settlements in so called occupied/disputed areas.The Temple of the Dome is the primary bone of contention in Jerusalem and the religious significance of the site to both, the Jews and the Muslims makes it complicated but certainly not necessarily a deadlock. Stoking religious sentiments has been the easiest time proven formula to incite people. Israel, over the last 7 decades has developed into a self reliant country with a lot of US backing as far as defense equipment and political backing is concerned. But it has had much more than its fair share of human rights violations. Palestine has created a ultra rich multi millionaire Yaseer Arafat whose family is having a ball in Paris.
Most Islamic invaders probably prior to the mid 19th century engaged in forceful conversions as it would have been easier to control the population and there is enough evidence to that effect of the significant Muslim population in India prior to the partition of United India(India, Pakistan, Bangladesh and probably Burma too).
India has been a victim of vote bank politics for the last 7 decades not unlike many other democracies in the world. Inspite of the fissures exploited and deepened by the British between the Muslims and Hindus, India has a stellar record of secularism. There is no bigger testament to the same considering that Indian Muslims are the 3rd largest Muslim population in the world. Hinduism is not a monolith like Islam. Iran, Saudi Arabia and Egypt have their singular religious heads. The INC has engaged in shameless appeasement of the Muslims in free India along with taking the Hindus in India for granted. Therefore the BJP is now turning a blind eye to the extremely isolated incidents of right wing Hindu fanaticism and vigilantism in the country. Most people are averse to fanaticism especially but not necessarily associated with a majority. Therefore BJP never really found its footing in general elections in India prior to the 90s. Modi has disguised his right winged ideology in the guise of development and won the last 2 general elections. How difficult can it be to provide basic necessities in life ? Pretty difficult in India and that is what Modi has solved. Cooking gas connections with fuel supply, tap water connections are now in progress, toilets, concrete houses for the under privileged. The change is quite significant considering how low the base level was in the country.
On a side note, I was shocked to learn that Turkey has an extremely high literacy rate(95%+). There is nothing more dangerous than an intellectual jihadi.
You're actually comparing what a religion gives to humanity vs what countries have given when it comes to resources? What rubbish... people give, not religion. I think you're forgetting we built the first ever university and also lens. Widely used resources of today.
SEEE!!!... you are proving his point... Sam harris' point is right about some of you.. using some famous scientific breakthroughs of one's civilization to exaggerately show off to people how great one's civilization is despite the fact that there are other civilizations or tribes of people who invented many many more great things in this world that also have greater contributions for humanity... just because some famous scientific inventions come from the arabic world, it does not mean that this civilization is byfar the most advanced civilized civilization in the world and that it justifies arab or muslim world with all of its traditional practices and religious or political policies as the best role model for other civilizations to follow up with despite the fact this old civilization also preached slavery, and some inhumane pollicies based on religious belief.. it is irrelevant..
Well said Mr. Harris, from one lefty to another
I am an atheist and an ex muslim. I used to think that sam only talks when he knows what he is talking about, but apparently not.
The guy has no clue about the impact of the islamic civilisation and its scholars on the world today.
Biology, algebra, astronomy, the science method it self and many many more were invented by scholars of the muslim world.
Im not a fan of what has become of the muslim world today but that doesn't justify the lies that sam just told.
Admiral Brapdafi - hmm, so what happened to everything Hasan Ibn al-Haytham came up with? Oh yeah, Islam SHIT ALL OVER IT. When Al-Ghazali stated that cause and effect don’t exist, it’s just Allah, all science ground to a halt.
Biology? The Romans and the Greeks studied biology before any Islamic scholars. It was the Europeans who revolutionised it and made it what it is today. They also never taught us anything about astronomy that why could not see ourselves. The same with algebra, it was always going to be discovered!
I'm sure the Arabs would have done much better if the weren't being taught the sun sets in a muddy puddle!
The scientific method? Are you sure about that one?
Universal bill of human rights also with separation of church and state as well as alegbra and also a bunch of other shit originated in the midde east china, ancient greece ect it is very arrogant to assume everything we have today came from western world
So someone is having truth in world of lies.
I agree with everything he has said but, No religion perpetrated as much mass genocide and complete annihilation of many cultures and civilizations across continents as Christianity.
Sam is a savage. Love it.
he is not completely wrong but he exaggerates a little bit
Who Islam does not belong in the West
1/19/2020 NY State Office of Attorney General Ms. Letiti
James Madam:
I am appalled to learn you have seen fit to attend a conference of
Muslims lawyers in NYC to be held on April 4th. Every single immigrant who came
to our shores wanted to become an American but Muslims feel they have a better
religion and any association with other faith would only devalue Islam. The
contradictory message played havoc with the Muslim kids born or raised here.
Their peers shunned them these kids had no choice but to befriends other
Muslims facing similar ostracism. This was the group that in 2015 welcomed the
call to fight for Islam by ICIS in Syria and they did it by the thousands,
those survived came back as experienced soldiers to fight another day, not
necessarily for the USA. This was not a difficult choice since Koran forbids
Believers to befriend Christians or Jews. Few can match Muhammad’s nauseating
habits. He loved 6 yr old girls and married one. Told followers to marry 4 but
married 11 himself. He cockled his adopted son Zaid and publicly admitted that
his latest revelations were put in his mouth not by Allah but the devil
himself. He hated democracy as a consequence all 64 Muslim countries in
the UN are run by deranged dictators, who do not accept democracy nor permit
free elections. As a result, all individuals challenging the rulers are either
jailed or killed. Can you please urge these lawyers in this land of the free
will not only not accept their faith without serious amendments to bring them
up to standards found in all civilized countries in the West. We will never
tolerate a law that lets Husbands beat their wives to pulp or divorce them at
will. A religion that permits a wealthy man to pay blood money and a poor thief
to lose his hand can never be defended or tolerated. Our founding fathers
Jefferson, John Adam and son J.Q Adam along with Mark Twain and Winston
Churchill have all denounced Islam as an abomination since Islam claims this
life in only a test and the real rewards like rivers of Milk and Honey along
with 72 virgins await you only in the hereafter. Nusrat Rizvi Palm City FL
sam telling hot like fire !!!!
Well spoken
but sam, the entire mathematics, algorithm, algebra etc were all arab inventions! and these inventions werent used to make zealotry more accurate as far as i am concerned
Can Islam be traced from Abraham in the Bible?
spain, which spain, spain in 900 - 1200 ad?
Dear Sam .... love your articulate thoughts and presentation but .... not research. I genuinely suggest to research regarding Indian systems better.Two things ...
Please research on the scientific discoveries of Indian whether it was space, mathematics, surgery, chemistry etc etc.... you'll be shocked at the progress. From Atom to gravity to plastic surgeries were all performed and not just that ..... to have a holistic understanding of biology ... with various programs such as breathing exercise and yoga. show the advanced knowledge.
Sati system was a crooked nonsense created by Christian missionaries to justify their presence to the British east India company. Just like to this day how US justifies attacking Iraq, Syria by making them look terrible even though an average citizen in Iraq enjoyed far better facilities than an average citizen in the US before the invasion.
Actually the practise of Jauhar or self-immolation ... was done by women during Islamic invasion of India because they rulers would capture the losing kingdoms women and used them as sex slaves. Same thing as ISIS is doing today. Funny thing is during british rule they mention thousands of cases of sati in bengal ... but the word or self-immolation has nothing to do with the local language or tradition. It is from far western state of Rajasthan where as Bengal is the far eastern state. That itself shows the lie. Please watch this. th-cam.com/video/apTNtSWjsQk/w-d-xo.html