I don't see this as a 'knock off' necessarily of anything, to give it it's fair due. It's surely simply it's own version of an ancient tradition amongst woodsmen who love their stoves that is already many thousands of years old. Just like all the rest of the portable wood stoves out there. So Who copied who originally? It's also different in all aspects, anyway. The hinges are there, but different. The way the top part of the stove fits the base is also different from most other designs. It is common practice for engineers of ALL countries to take a given known design and then add their own unique features, which is exactly what this is. And is why it is immediately attractive to those out looking for a new wood stove without bias of origin. There is some very nifty and unique engineering gone into this design indeed, such as the clicking in of the top to base, really really nice! Which adds incredible stability to it. The base also adds a 'wideness' to the bottom that those which have the base integrated don't have, making it much less 'top-heavy' compared to it's other competitors. I think the base gives it great advantage also as regards airflow, because of the amount of air entering directly from underneath it, not just around it. This Boundless Voyage stove also reminds me very much of the Winnerwell backpacking, wood stove. The base on that is similar (with legs) and also can be separated. All in all, greatly impressed! Many thanks for making this version known! It's not one I have spotted before..
To be honest Andy I actually like that one and a fair price to love the idea of the air getting in underneath because of the stand.All the very best pal 👍🏻🏴👍🏻🏴👍🏻🏴
I decided to go with the Boundless for the price of getting titanium with the base and grill grate all included and around the same size as the XL. No regrets here. Just cooked an awesome plate of steak and eggs and it easily supported a large cast iron skillet and cooked the meal with one load of sticks once they burned down a little bit. Seems to be of very good quality to me.
did the base not warp too much even with the heavy cast iron skillet? I like the base a lot but I'm afraid It'd just warp too much and become unusable after a wihle
Ouhhh!!! That’s the kind of stove i would use for me that want to start camping this summer!! Thanks for the idea Andy!! As always your videos are the best 😀😀👍
Been playing about with it for a couple of days,now, a quick stove hack, saw a 4mm deep slot in the ends of the pot rests, use the slots to put on and take off the grill plate, using the tabs on the grill plate. Am really liking this stove.
The boundless voyage here in Canada is about half the price as the others, that's what made the difference for me, mine will be arriving after the weekend and I'm looking forward to testing it out. Great video, thanks for the comparison
I have purchased several Boundless Voyage titanium items from Amazon US…including the 1L tea kettle you used in this video. All have been very well made and seem to be a good value. I hope they make the smaller version of this wood stove sometime soon. Thanks for the review.
Agreed mate, I've collected quite a few of BV's products and generally they've been really good, almost all of them still perform well in use to this day. The only one that I've had a bad experience with was the titanium skillet, which came with the ceramic surface treatment a bit chipped and it dished quite severely on it's first use. Okay if want to fry bacon or sausages, but it'll turn your eggs into a ring shape...erk. In hindsight, maybe titanium isn't such a great material for making a frying pan out of after all...
@@mazdamaniac4643 I agree with you about Titanium fry pans. These types of fireboxes produce long-lasting heat: I can bring heavier small fry pans made of blue steel or even my favorite tiny Wagner cast iron skillet. I find using them to be less frustrating as to the results.
@@jamesellsworth9673 Aye, need to get myself a wood stove. Gas stoves and titanium skillets just don't mix, the heat is too localised. Where it would shine though is from the even, dry heat the outer casing on a wood stove. I don't think that folks would have many issues if used like this. In the meantime, I had to bin that warped titanium skillet, it was useful for nothing any more. I've replaced it with a Fire Maple frying pan which is made from aluminium, slightly heavier and quite a bit larger so packing it into a hiking bag is a bit of an issue now, but I know I'll have less issues with it in the long run.
I"ve got the bushbox xl and the biggest advantage I"ve found is that you can use fire, spirits and gas with it. I sometimes use the Trangia gasburner and cheap round tent pegs to put it on. It works great!
I made coffee on my fire/bushbox (mini, stainless steel) in my back garden for some friends today. Saved £2.70 in electricity by not having the kettle on.. Probably pissed off the neighbours because of about ten mins of smoke.. Result.
It is a very very good video, but I find it a little biased with the weights, The Bushbox XL grill plate, in titanium, it weighs only 46gr. The bushbox XL titanium case weights 145g... I think it would have been fairer to put a weight comparison with the same accessories, also more interesting for people who watched the video.
I have the older model of titanium Boundless Voyage. The model you are using in your video just came out. I love my BV larger size (8.3" X 7.2" X 7.2") from the other stick stoves. The price is what appealed to me most. The others are triple or more. I think I paid $57. In the USA, the old model BV stove on Amazon is on sale for $49 dollars now. For grilling I just put a BV titanium mesh grill on top.
heck yeah; cheaper & runs the same. Bought one, thanks for showing it; i didn't know about it, but have been looking for a less expensive alternative to those hi-dollar folders. Bazinga! (most excellent review, btw).
Thank you for the great review/comparison video. You got a like and I subscribed. I wish that I knew about this company before spending about $800 US on Firebox gear. Yes - I got almost everything that they make or sell...and it has all been good quality gear..and I like to support a US company, but... ...most of my stove/cooking gear is stainless, because the titanium stuff was either too expensive or unavailable. I do think that the stainless gear is generally more robust and less prone to warping, but my full cooking kit weighs way too much for anything but car camping or very short treks to camp. Maybe I’ll buy a few of the Boundless Voyage titanium products for backpacking. I suppose it’s good that I didn’t know about them when ordering my Firebox stuff just because I’m supporting an original and non-foreign company, but it’s a bit of a punch to the gut to realize that I could have had almost all of the same gear in titanium for about half of the price.
Near the end of the video with the 2 stoves side by side, you can clearly see the hot metal bluing pattern on the right and nothing on the left. Very suspicious that Boundless is calling their stove titanium - I'd assume aluminum with titanium coating on some of the parts. Real titanium is very expensive and as the saying goes - "you get, what you pay for".
Expensive knock off. My Firebox cost me 20 quid and it's bang on, yes it's a little heavier but I'm fine with that for the money. Good video though and thanks for posting Andy.
The hinges on mine are awful and seize up when opening the stove and require quite a bit of force to fully open. I can't see them lasting for very long. Best to pay the money and get the genuine firebox stove which is well engineered and will last.
Great video! I have a bush box titanium xl. I love it but like you say it can be very tricky grilling on it. I wonder would bbq charcoal be a good idea to use in them ? All the best, Adrian
BBQ Charcoal works very well in these stoves .. ideal for cooking in more 'sensitive' areas and if one wants a lower more constant heat. Cleaner too. I used my SS Bushbox LF this morning on my 3rd floor flat (enclosed) balcony using compressed Charcoal Briquettes (not very mobile right now .. knee injury). Breakfast. Oats Porridge with lots of goodies in it, a slice of French (egg) Toast, another standard slice of Toast with Jam .. and Coffee.
Been looking but having a hard time finding the right 1, and really I believe it’s quite important. How about a frying pan review for the frying pans you have. Cheers.
Nice film thank you. On a similar vein, but a lot cheaper and a little more fiddly is the One Tigris "Evil Eyes", 400 gm in titanium, packs flat and best of all £40 in titanium.
I don't see the BV as being a rip-off, or even a copy of the BushBox. Just like i don't see the BushBox as being a rip-off of the Firebox. All just variants on the same basic design solution really. For me the big difference are the hinges, having had both BushBox and FireBox, and both being great at their job, I'd take the BushBox every time just for the hinges, they make a massive difference in soot, gunk and ease of cleaning, at least in my experience anyway.
Good review Andy. Don't recall seeing you use this stove since review. Very interested in a comparison with the recent LOFI stove you reviewed on this channel. For overall versatility this stove seems to knock the LOFI into a cocked hat, while saving about £40. Comparisons would give folks some sense of the utility and value of these stoves. Final comment - I think it only fair to viewers of your channel(s) if you declare up front (as many other reviewers do) whether a) you bought the item with your hard earned cash; b) you were provided with an item to review and return later or; c) you were gifted the item. Then viewers can factor this into your review conclusions. If you have to buy this kit yourself, like me, rather than say, having it gifted to you for review then 'ethics' isn't a major factor in whether you buy this item over a much more expensive stove made in the USA or EU. Perhaps you got them both free in return for a review. If not please enlighten us, so that I can apologise if wrong.
Don't keep that carbon fiber mat anywhere near any electronic equipment - the tiny fibers break off and they are conductive. If they find their way into your phone or camera they can cause a short that will destroy your electronic thing. Ask me how I know...
Isn’t any thing sacred in the Bushcraft World. Company’s engineer a great stove from Germany, and The United States, and the Chinese copy it. I will not buy any Chinese copy’s.
I bet your house and life are full of Chinese origin items. Many stupid people don’t buy German stuff and use ridiculous historically-based justifications. What’s the difference. All xenophobia is bad!
@lioneljonson161 Welcome to the American way. I exercise my GOD given right to not want my income going to a country that wants to destroy the one I live in. You have the right to feel however you choose. 🫡
Dont see the point of small fire boxes,expensive not great for cooking, messy a pain to light,if there is no wood where you are you need to hump it with you.Also give off near to no heat more than 2 feet from them.Waste of time money and effort.And from a environmental point of view even with a base the heat still kills the earth and growth under it with the heat.👎
I don't see this as a 'knock off' necessarily of anything, to give it it's fair due. It's surely simply it's own version of an ancient tradition amongst woodsmen who love their stoves that is already many thousands of years old. Just like all the rest of the portable wood stoves out there. So Who copied who originally?
It's also different in all aspects, anyway.
The hinges are there, but different. The way the top part of the stove fits the base is also different from most other designs. It is common practice for engineers of ALL countries to take a given known design and then add their own unique features, which is exactly what this is.
And is why it is immediately attractive to those out looking for a new wood stove without bias of origin. There is some very nifty and unique engineering gone into this design indeed, such as the clicking in of the top to base, really really nice!
Which adds incredible stability to it. The base also adds a 'wideness' to the bottom that those which have the base integrated don't have, making it much less 'top-heavy' compared to it's other competitors.
I think the base gives it great advantage also as regards airflow, because of the amount of air entering directly from underneath it, not just around it. This Boundless Voyage stove also reminds me very much of the Winnerwell backpacking, wood stove. The base on that is similar (with legs) and also can be separated.
All in all, greatly impressed! Many thanks for making this version known! It's not one I have spotted before..
To be honest Andy I actually like that one and a fair price to love the idea of the air getting in underneath because of the stand.All the very best pal 👍🏻🏴👍🏻🏴👍🏻🏴
I decided to go with the Boundless for the price of getting titanium with the base and grill grate all included and around the same size as the XL. No regrets here. Just cooked an awesome plate of steak and eggs and it easily supported a large cast iron skillet and cooked the meal with one load of sticks once they burned down a little bit. Seems to be of very good quality to me.
did the base not warp too much even with the heavy cast iron skillet? I like the base a lot but I'm afraid It'd just warp too much and become unusable after a wihle
Ouhhh!!! That’s the kind of stove i would use for me that want to start camping this summer!! Thanks for the idea Andy!! As always your videos are the best 😀😀👍
Just bought one, it arrived today, its £78 on Amazon, can't wait to go camping tomorrow and try it out, lol.
Been playing about with it for a couple of days,now, a quick stove hack, saw a 4mm deep slot in the ends of the pot rests, use the slots to put on and take off the grill plate, using the tabs on the grill plate.
Am really liking this stove.
The boundless voyage here in Canada is about half the price as the others, that's what made the difference for me, mine will be arriving after the weekend and I'm looking forward to testing it out. Great video, thanks for the comparison
Even LIGHTER than the Bushbox, I'm sold just bought one!!😁✊🔥✌️💚
I've used mine a few times now since I've got it and it is absolutely amazing, wouldn't trade it for any of the others.
Cool Video 👍
Finally a great alternativ to the Bushbox 👍
*Honestly, your videos are beautiful and detailed 👍*
Neat review Andy.😉 Stove seems fine too. 🤔Thanks for sharing the first burn and first use.🤨 Be well.😊
Looks very good. It's always a problem buying cheap cause usually cheap means bad or sometimes even unusable, this looks to be quite decent quality
I have purchased several Boundless Voyage titanium items from Amazon US…including the 1L tea kettle you used in this video. All have been very well made and seem to be a good value. I hope they make the smaller version of this wood stove sometime soon. Thanks for the review.
Agreed mate, I've collected quite a few of BV's products and generally they've been really good, almost all of them still perform well in use to this day.
The only one that I've had a bad experience with was the titanium skillet, which came with the ceramic surface treatment a bit chipped and it dished quite severely on it's first use. Okay if want to fry bacon or sausages, but it'll turn your eggs into a ring shape...erk. In hindsight, maybe titanium isn't such a great material for making a frying pan out of after all...
@@mazdamaniac4643 I agree with you about Titanium fry pans. These types of fireboxes produce long-lasting heat: I can bring heavier small fry pans made of blue steel or even my favorite tiny Wagner cast iron skillet. I find using them to be less frustrating as to the results.
@@jamesellsworth9673 Aye, need to get myself a wood stove. Gas stoves and titanium skillets just don't mix, the heat is too localised. Where it would shine though is from the even, dry heat the outer casing on a wood stove. I don't think that folks would have many issues if used like this.
In the meantime, I had to bin that warped titanium skillet, it was useful for nothing any more. I've replaced it with a Fire Maple frying pan which is made from aluminium, slightly heavier and quite a bit larger so packing it into a hiking bag is a bit of an issue now, but I know I'll have less issues with it in the long run.
I"ve got the bushbox xl and the biggest advantage I"ve found is that you can use fire, spirits and gas with it. I sometimes use the Trangia gasburner and cheap round tent pegs to put it on. It works great!
Thanks for the review. I have gone with the steel firebox myself, looking forward to giving it a first burn soon.
Looks a nice bit of kit at a decent price too. Atb. Paul.
I made coffee on my fire/bushbox (mini, stainless steel) in my back garden for some friends today. Saved £2.70 in electricity by not having the kettle on.. Probably pissed off the neighbours because of about ten mins of smoke.. Result.
:-) *
It is a very very good video, but I find it a little biased with the weights, The Bushbox XL grill plate, in titanium, it weighs only 46gr. The bushbox XL titanium case weights 145g... I think it would have been fairer to put a weight comparison with the same accessories, also more interesting for people who watched the video.
I have the older model of titanium Boundless Voyage. The model you are using in your video just came out. I love my BV larger size (8.3" X 7.2" X 7.2") from the other stick stoves. The price is what appealed to me most. The others are triple or more. I think I paid $57. In the USA, the old model BV stove on Amazon is on sale for $49 dollars now. For grilling I just put a BV titanium mesh grill on top.
This is so chill
Ein wirklich toller Hobo Bin stolzer Besitzer 💪👍Schönes Video
Dir was schönes ❤
heck yeah; cheaper & runs the same. Bought one, thanks for showing it; i didn't know about it, but have been looking for a less expensive alternative to those hi-dollar folders. Bazinga! (most excellent review, btw).
Ha! I was wondering if you'd get on to the boundless voyage one, had mine a couple of weeks now. Not a bad bit of kit.
Just finished opening up mine, then see this video is up!
Any update on this stove? What has it been like now you've had it a while? I'm in the market for one and like the look of this one
Yes please do an update video so we can see what state it is in
Great info. I'm trying to decide on a stove to get and this was a great help for me. Thanks Andy.
Thank you for the great review/comparison video. You got a like and I subscribed.
I wish that I knew about this company before spending about $800 US on Firebox gear. Yes - I got almost everything that they make or sell...and it has all been good quality gear..and I like to support a US company, but...
...most of my stove/cooking gear is stainless, because the titanium stuff was either too expensive or unavailable. I do think that the stainless gear is generally more robust and less prone to warping, but my full cooking kit weighs way too much for anything but car camping or very short treks to camp.
Maybe I’ll buy a few of the Boundless Voyage titanium products for backpacking. I suppose it’s good that I didn’t know about them when ordering my Firebox stuff just because I’m supporting an original and non-foreign company, but it’s a bit of a punch to the gut to realize that I could have had almost all of the same gear in titanium for about half of the price.
Near the end of the video with the 2 stoves side by side, you can clearly see the hot metal bluing pattern on the right and nothing on the left. Very suspicious that Boundless is calling their stove titanium - I'd assume aluminum with titanium coating on some of the parts. Real titanium is very expensive and as the saying goes - "you get, what you pay for".
Expensive knock off. My Firebox cost me 20 quid and it's bang on, yes it's a little heavier but I'm fine with that for the money. Good video though and thanks for posting Andy.
Who sells Fireboxes for £20 please?
The hinges on mine are awful and seize up when opening the stove and require quite a bit of force to fully open. I can't see them lasting for very long. Best to pay the money and get the genuine firebox stove which is well engineered and will last.
Had a cheeky egg as well Andy… good man.
Howdy, you do a great review video. Thanks.
Nice kit. I have the titanium stand for in the fire, nicely finished and also with storage bag.
Very nice. Thanks for the review, Andy. 👍🙂🔥
Thx I’m a big fan keep making these vids !!!!! Camping and cooking are my favs
Great video! I have a bush box titanium xl. I love it but like you say it can be very tricky grilling on it. I wonder would bbq charcoal be a good idea to use in them ? All the best, Adrian
BBQ Charcoal works very well in these stoves .. ideal for cooking in more 'sensitive' areas and if one wants a lower more constant heat. Cleaner too.
I used my SS Bushbox LF this morning on my 3rd floor flat (enclosed) balcony using compressed Charcoal Briquettes (not very mobile right now .. knee injury).
Breakfast. Oats Porridge with lots of goodies in it, a slice of French (egg) Toast, another standard slice of Toast with Jam .. and Coffee.
Been looking but having a hard time finding the right 1, and really I believe it’s quite important. How about a frying pan review for the frying pans you have. Cheers.
Thanks for the demo!!!
Great review Andy like the stove and nice cheap and good quality stove cheers Andy for great review 👍 😀 👏
Looks lovely!
I have a number of these stoves. Gathering dust-- still prefer my 111B.
I could be fiddling with this stove-- or catching fish. I want my heat now.
Nice film thank you. On a similar vein, but a lot cheaper and a little more fiddly is the One Tigris "Evil Eyes", 400 gm in titanium, packs flat and best of all £40 in titanium.
ooops just seen you have a vid on that too!!
Nice overview. Thanks.
I almost feel like the base was designed to warp. Mine warped perfectly symmetrically and fits together slightly better post-warp.
Yikes, I never knew these things were that expensive. I thought maybe £50 or £60 quid, but not over a hundred.
See the OneTigris Evil Eyes....£40
Titanium isn’t cheap.
Excellent review .. Cheers.
Ringo to ya!
a slanted feed tune would make rocket stove.. less smoke.. less ash
The quite decent base on this Chinese product makes it more than a mere 'clone' of Western designs.
I AM IN DOUBT... IF YOU WOULD HAVE TO STAY WITH ONE OF THE 3 MODELS, WHICH WOULD IT BE? GREETINGS
Does the titanium warp or bend from the heat?
Do you have any update videos on this stove ?
Great review 👍
Did everyone run out and buy it because it’s already currently unavailable on Amazon.
I don't see the BV as being a rip-off, or even a copy of the BushBox. Just like i don't see the BushBox as being a rip-off of the Firebox. All just variants on the same basic design solution really. For me the big difference are the hinges, having had both BushBox and FireBox, and both being great at their job, I'd take the BushBox every time just for the hinges, they make a massive difference in soot, gunk and ease of cleaning, at least in my experience anyway.
nice one 👍👍👍👍👍👍
Wait, I thought it was illegal to have open fires in the UK?
Where did you get your kettle out of interest?
Crooked camp grill warped that base. Well like anything just forms to what it's onto with heat wxpansion. Normal. Held great.
Those finches in the background are freaking out
Skylarks I would have thought?
Great review! 👍🇨🇦😎🔥
Thanks for sharing,good to have options but will probaly stick with my Bishbox LF and Picogrill.
Seems to work well Andy, hard to ignore at that price
Will it be distorted by high fever?
Do you mean high temperature?
Great
Good review Andy. Don't recall seeing you use this stove since review. Very interested in a comparison with the recent LOFI stove you reviewed on this channel. For overall versatility this stove seems to knock the LOFI into a cocked hat, while saving about £40.
Comparisons would give folks some sense of the utility and value of these stoves.
Final comment - I think it only fair to viewers of your channel(s) if you declare up front (as many other reviewers do) whether a) you bought the item with your hard earned cash; b) you were provided with an item to review and return later or; c) you were gifted the item. Then viewers can factor this into your review conclusions. If you have to buy this kit yourself, like me, rather than say, having it gifted to you for review then 'ethics' isn't a major factor in whether you buy this item over a much more expensive stove made in the USA or EU. Perhaps you got them both free in return for a review. If not please enlighten us, so that I can apologise if wrong.
I usually refer to items like this as Chinese 'tribute' to the original
Bon Appetit
You need to include the UCO grill for a comparison it’s flatter and not a lil box it’s a beauty
Don't keep that carbon fiber mat anywhere near any electronic equipment - the tiny fibers break off and they are conductive. If they find their way into your phone or camera they can cause a short that will destroy your electronic thing. Ask me how I know...
The only problem I see is the base. They can of filled the void between the base with supporting the base from being crushed..
Great video, not a fan of the base, anything less than a flat surface / the warping I dont think it looks that stable.
The warping on the base is a non issue, it's easily one of the most stable folding wood stoves I've used.
Too true to be good?
Having a laugh with those prices. Could fashion similar from a tin can.
Hi mate
Do you think you could use wood pellets in the boundless voyager
Atb
Paul
Oh no no eggs tomatoes mushrooms and fries 🧅
interesting, but 170€, no thanks
He said it was £78. The Bushbox one is €170
Und jeden morgen steht wieder ein doofer auf! Must ihn nur finden. Titanium in der Hose!! 😂😂😂😂
i dont care for the bottom myself. i think i still like the bushbox better.
Chinese people have to feed their families too….
A small non stick fry pan would have been better
It’s to expensive
Isn’t any thing sacred in the Bushcraft World. Company’s engineer a great stove from Germany, and The United States, and the Chinese copy it. I will not buy any Chinese copy’s.
I bet your house and life are full of Chinese origin items. Many stupid people don’t buy German stuff and use ridiculous historically-based justifications. What’s the difference. All xenophobia is bad!
£80 for a few bits of tin-sheet. Pass.
Rip
Great video but I'm currently trying to avoid buying anything that involves China.
100% with you.
Dig it.
Why the people who make these probably have nothing to do with the Chinese government.
Awesome. That’s what we’re missing in the bushcraft community, more xenophobia.
@lioneljonson161 Welcome to the American way. I exercise my GOD given right to not want my income going to a country that wants to destroy the one I live in. You have the right to feel however you choose. 🫡
I'm so sorry about your tats and your need to promote your pain to everyone who watches your videos
I’m so sorry about your judgemental nature and your need to display it to people who read your comments.
Great video, horrible cooking. 👏🤦🏻♂️
Dont see the point of small fire boxes,expensive not great for cooking, messy a pain to light,if there is no wood where you are you need to hump it with you.Also give off near to no heat more than 2 feet from them.Waste of time money and effort.And from a environmental point of view even with a base the heat still kills the earth and growth under it with the heat.👎
Have you actually tried one?
Many places don’t permit open fires. A twig stove allows you to still have a fire because it’s contained and more easily controlled.
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