You Need to see this Backpacking Stove
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 21 ก.ย. 2022
- Taking a look at the brand new LoFi Stove, a new UK start up innovating with this titanium fan assisted backpacking stove.
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looks like a decent bit of kit Andy, but holy moly its 140 quid, does it really warrant that over a 20 quid twig lixado?
I had a stainless steel Sierra stove back in the 80s that was a fan powered twig stove. It ran on four AAs. Running off a power pack sounds more practical. £140 is an awful lot of money though.
The Sierra didn’t have the fan up against the bottom of the fire either. It used AA batteries too. I still see them for sale on eBay.
Buy an inflatable mommy.
They still make them. Not cheap either. 270$ CAD.
consumerism society.
@@DunnickFayurochecked. 270 Canadian works out at 157 uk
Clever idea, looks well engineered, but is vastly overpriced for what it is. Plus having a lithium ion battery pack that close to a fire doesn't sit well with me, lithium fires are no joke.
Yes yes exactly very hard to put out a lithium fire also an burns incredibly hott
Not engineered enough to be useable without a charged battery.
Right......
I think you are overreacting. Battery pack is far away from the heat source, if you are too tempted to use powerbank then im 95% sure this can power from a usb solar panel since its only a fan that the powerbank is supplying power for. Also fyi there are stoves from brand BioLite that have batteries built in! And nothing have ever happened.
For the love of Christ, a little over priced?
Works well. I appreciate my Biolite, it powers itself, though heavier. I have a small dry bag of dry twigs and pre-cut branches. Good for paddling and fishing trips. Twig stoves are also a welcome source of heat on winter trips, warming my ultamid up nicely.
what is the biolite like for recharging??
I'm thinking of getting one
This is almost exactly the same as a stove Perry from Wilderness Innovation was making by hand and selling to the public years ago. Cool stuff 😎
The Sierra Stove, right? I had one back in the day, didn't use it much.
You know what dude, I really like your channel. A lot of "bushcraft" or gear review channels can get pretty cheesy but yours is not, it's quite enjoyable.
Hi, Andy. This fan assisted technology has been out for years and is used widely in compact barbecues. It's a nice idea to apply it to a camp cooker but it doesn't seem too easy to feed fuel into. Definitely needs a much longer usb lead to avoid a power pack getting too hot. Nice idea, but far too expensive in my opinion.
Also some extenders for a larger pot or pan that keeps it higher above the flame….
Absolutely it's just a can you can build these yourself all the parts are available cheep. Or get a biolight which I did that is a good stove
Basically a fan in a can!
@@BoiledOctopus yep
My fan played out nearly 20 years ago on my Sierra Stove. However, the stove still works fine.
£140?! That seems extremely steep. You can get a passable full hot tent stove for that or multiple great collapsible portable can size stoves. Cool if you’re not on any sort of budget but damn 140!
I think the point is you're not wasting resources such as gas and throwing away endless empty aluminium cans.
@@ruzziasht349 True, but charging up power banks etc, there's always a trade off I guess.
@@davidnorman7715 Solar panels?
Yep really good for getting the fire started and boiling water, but as far as cooking goes completely useless unless your stir frying or making a stew, and I would turn off the fan for cooking which would probably melt the fan anyway.
Expensive but a very nice stove. In addition to being ridiculously light I notice that the design is also a wood gassifier. So it will burn very efficiently as well as very little smoke. I also like that the lip design is also a pot stand. So no extra parts to worry about. Just set stuff right on top. Very nice.
Thanks! ^_^
HOW MUCHHHHH , £40 yeah but £140 is taking the piss
Good looking product, presented well as ever, thanks Andy.
Thanks Andy for sharing this Awesome review on this cracking stove well done to Johnny who made it 👏 👍
£140!!!...sounded like you said that with a straight face. This is essentially the heart of the very many smokeless BBQs on the market. I carry a 650ml titanium cup with a Trangia burner and small cross pan holder inside to boil water. Everything fits in the cup and a small fuel bottle to keep me going. Its lightweight, efficient and does the same job. The Trangia burner I bought over 30 years ago. I use a Trangia triangle for better pan stability. I've
"lugged about" this setup for years.
I don't see the difference between carrying some meths and faffing about with a bespoke usb, power bank wood pellets and gel.
Alternatively get yourself a Trangia Mini ( Trangia 28) which includes the alcohol burner, pan and saucepan for one. Picked one up last week for £22 new.
At some point I expect foreign R&D ( Rob and Duplicate) manufacturers will copy this and sell at a much cheaper price. because the idea is a tweak on what is being used in smokeless BBQs. Just wondering...did you buy this, was it on loan for the review or was it gifted to you.?
I am also a Trangia man. I've had the 25-7 since the 80's and its still holding up nicely. Easy to use and a good base and pot supports. You could tip it over, if you really tried. Only problem is its a bit big, but it all nests together.
You can burn anything in this, including sheep's dung - pellets and gel are useful when glamping.
@@ruzziasht349 You don't need this stove to burn sheep's dung. But you do need a battery to use this stove. Without a charged battery this stove is just a cup with holes.
@@alexander5207 The point I was making is that you don't need gel or pellets, you also don't need a battery if you have a solar panel - Try watching the videos on LOFIs channel - a lot of love, care, attention, and detail has gone in to this.... although you don't sound like someone who has an appreciation for the finer things in life.
@@ruzziasht349 Somehow this stove is better than other twig stoves that require no electricity?
Good to have you back safe & well
Looks an awesome bit of kit. Thanks for the review
New and improved idea on an old and proven item. I purchased a ( Sierra ) Zip Stove in the early 80's that was made out of stainless steel. Later I got a Titanium one which was a lot lighter at 10 ounces. They are battery powered twig and other burnable organic material stoves. The Titanium takes one AA Battery for 6 hours of continuous run time. I still have them and will use one occasionally. Today it's the Titanium Firebox Nano which is lighter and packs smaller without any batteries needed.
a baked bean can with holes is just as good and never breaks down.
Albeit a little pricey, what a cracking piece of kit!! Thanks for sharing Andy.
Yep…… very very pricey…!!
I live in Tennessee and this stove is a must for me.
Cool little stove. I like the spark arrestor.
Andy never passes up an opportunity to cook and eat bacon ☺️
No stream? Ugh
Ok all good now, kudos Andy for promoting local sellers!!! Great item, stay safe and hope you’ve recovered from your 🛶 spill. Epic trip with Simon
I'll use it for a couple of weeks then I'll probably throw it out not for me and a little too expensive. Good on him for actually thinking of something and doing well done.
I wish Lofi luck with his stove. I don't have a use for it to be honest but it's inspired me to have a go at a similar concept I had a decade ago for an alcohol stove.
Thanks! and good luck with your idea - It sounds interesting 🤓
I'm a big biolite user and as soon as I heard the fan I felt right at home 🏡 Why I would be interested I'm this product is because it's half the commitment of setting up a biolite. I often bring all my cooking tools to my kids' motocross race weekends as the environment changes all the time. This would be quicker than me setting up a jetboil to boil water for coffee and my Anker 700 series battery is always charged up via solar...hell I could use my Biolite battery to power the fan then cook with the biolite later to keep it always fully charged.
Nice job Andy. 👍
Now that's a clever idea. If it will run off a small solar panel, even better.
Hi Jim, It runs well off a 7.5W panel in my tests, and the stove only uses 2.5W so a smaller one may well even work - though I'm yet to find one to try.
(I think there's a vid on my channel).
Very impressive no doubt thanks for sharing this information 😊
This product should be a good seller on the market. I agree with others that heat so near the fan and electronic circuits might lead to short life, especially if the stove is used for long cooks. This seems designed to make a quick 'cuppa' or water for finishing a freeze-dried meal.
Thanks for the support James, as long as the stove is powered everything stays cool enough in my tests.
There's a video on my channel of me cooking up a tasty Thai Curry - It took about 45mins in total, as I was filming it all... a good few refuels were needed as I was burning driftwood, but it worked really well. Though you are right, the stove works really well for boiling water fast for more instant foods 🔥
Nice to see you rested and dry after your canoe adventure with Simon
The power bank is dangerous beside fire, so the USB cable should be long.
haha , dont think anyone cares till something happen
So is just a fire.. Fear and paranoia is awesome
That is a quality bit of kit,cheers andy.💥👍👌
Another great review Andy. Unfortunately this will never take off as a business due to the price of the product. Any new successful invention should plug a gap in the marketplace (like the 1st potato peeler :-)), This seems to be done for speed but bushcrafters generally aren't bothered about speed.
i use wood pellets in my wood gas stoves, used to find it really hard to light them, now i use a cotton bud in vaseline, then crunch up a few of the wood pellets, so they have lots of small craggy ends that are easy to catch and then sprinkle onto the cotton bud, have also got them started using natural materials using the same method.
Kitchen paper or tissue paper and a drop of cooking oil makes a great fire lighter
I save bacon grease for cooking but putting bacon on paper towels to soak up grease gives you good fire starter.
Great idea using wood pellets. They probably burn a little longer than the wood does. Great video
top down burn will give about the same times, depending on how you pack it.
This is definitely one for perpetually price/innovation offended. Good review as usual Andy.
That thing is totally awesome mate !!!
Freakin’ brilliant !
I want one 😂👍👍👍
I wish I could get hold of one of those net bags. I’d love one for my own made stove setup.
They sell them on Amazon.
Looks a fab piece of kit Andy !
I came back to this product review. I can't say I ever saw this in use in any of your other videos since the review. Can only see two other reviews of this stove on YT. The £155 ticket may be the reason...
It has it's place these days, we've all got a power bank or two, I'd definitely consider this.
Looking forward to mine arriving.. I got in nice and early on Kickstarter!
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Now thats a cool gadget for sure!
Lovely, if somewhat expensive bit of kit that looks like a solution looking for a problem.
That is cool, love a bit of innovation.
Wow I think I’ll stay with my Jetboil. Lighter faster more compact. Approved for use during burn bans, no battery required just add fuel. I do carry an alcohol sausage can burner just in case.
My main concern with paying for that amount of money is durability! I've had a couple with fans before and none lasted more than a few uses, the heat always seemed to end up damaging the fan.
It's basically a soup can with a fan on the bottom. You can make something like this and it will be just as effective for the price of a can of empty soup. I don't know why anyone would pay money for this other than having money to burn, maybe throw it in the soup can.
@@McCucumber lucky for us we don't need you to understand what we spend our money on.. As it's our money.
@@McCucumber Just out if interest can I see your soup can version?.....No, I thought that might be the case.
Thanks for the comment, so long as the fan is running - I've not had any fan failures. The biggest problem I have had in the last 18 months of testing is the USB battery pack shutting off due to such small power consumption. I'm going to overcome this with some clever electronics in the production units.
@@JonnyLOFI
Will it run without the fan as well, will it get enough air? Or do you always have the fan on?
Compact, fan-assisted Titanium stove. Not a bad idea. I'm sure as production ramps up, his company and designs evolve, the price will come down a bit. People act as if you'll be cooking a Sunday roast on it hahaha. Boiling water or a small pan fry would be ideal. I like gadgets so I'm not put off by it. I'll go check it out. This is why I stay single, so I can buy things I probably don't need, but want 🤣
You can't use the stove without the fan on. So it's not fan assisted. It's fan reliant. Without a charged battery it's just a cup with holes.
@@alexander5207 is there an echo in here, or is that all you can think of?
@@ruzziasht349 You say I'm repeating myself yet you offer no argument.
@@alexander5207 You seem to have problems in basic comprehension, I have offered a clear argument, and I unlike you I didn't find it necessary to keep repeating myself. It's now clear you have a low IQ, being sub 80 is always going to make commenting a challenge. Although the good news is that you can automatically be approved for a local authority disability allowance if you meet all of the criteria. In addition to a low IQ, the applicant must have deficits in one or more areas of functioning, such as social interactions, and basic comprehension, and as you've already proved you meet all the criteria with flying colours. So, it's official you have an "intellectual disorder" (previously the term would have been "intellectual disability," and before that, "mental retardation"). Feel free to get back to me if you need a hand filling out the forms, and try not to be too upset as mental health shortfalls don't carry the stigma they once did.
Great video, great product for what it is. But it seems that now tech is invading our escape from technology! As I see it, you now need two fuels to do what one fuel could do before? Although if the tech fails, at least the product can be used with freely available fuel, although at a lower productivity. I guess if you’re hiking, there’s a benefit in less time and weight consumption, but for wild camping, it seems it’s just adding a step to something that can work without said step. I guess maybe I can’t see what the ‘problem’ this was trying to solve is. That said, for a quick lightweight stove, it’s definitely beautiful and efficient product and always good to see home grown business, provided by real enthusiasts. I hope it works out for the guy.
I wonder how long electronics will last. All that heat is not good for them.
I've been using mine for 18 months now, without problems. Just keep the stove powered while the fire is lit and everything stays cool enough 👍
Nice stove, great idea
I first thought the stove charged the powerbank 🤦♂️ nice little stove 👍
i got the biolite stove 2 and it cost less than this stove but ofc the biolite is much bigger but it can also recharge using the heat. If they got this cost around £30 it would be a good value.
Just concerned about the proximity of the powerbank to a flame/heat source. I'd be happier with either a longer cable or if maybe as they go with development, consider a rechargeable version maybe. But looks pretty good really.
Thanks Carole, I think I'm going to offer an extended cable for people on my website, as a few of you have voiced this as a concern now. I've never noticed the power pack getting at all warm though, and as the stove is double-walled most of the heat goes straight up into the pan.
This is my first time seeing this "Backpacking Stove" I love it size and it looks like it is easy to use. Thanks for revieing this stove. I will fefinitely buy some of these for our camping club. I love innovation. I think I will build a hood with a vent pipe so I can use it inside my camper on rainy days.
You look very happy
My main problem with twig stoves is moist firewood, so the small size of the stove is once again the biggest problem. If I can't use half of the wood I can fit in the stove to dry and heat the other half, it's a no go.
Also I rate my burner as "pretty darn necessary" while electronics are expendable, so on longer trips it's a security issue.
Looking forward to a review🤓
Hi Andy. Great review as always, but that will never grace my backpack. For twigs I have an Ikea drainer. I also use that with a Trangia burner. If I want quick, I have a gas burner.
Anyone actually thinking they need this to survive, won't.
I hope they come down in price soon. The super early bird were sold out in the first minute, so i hope after a couple years they'll make enough of these that the price can come back down so a commoner might afford it.
I really like this at that size I'll wait a while just to see it's lifespan
It reminds me of the old Sierra Zip stove. I’d want to use it for more than just boiling water. The burn chamber looks small. How much hassle is it to add twigs on a longer cook - say 20-30 minutes?
Wow, thx!
My Chanel Favorite and i hope you always making the Video.
I guess people like wood burners but I just don’t get it. There are gas or alcohol stoves that are lighter and cleaner, they don’t use your valuable battery power and they cost a fraction of this gadget. Can someone explain why/how this is better than the BRS 3000?
What is the benefit of this one over the biolite that charges itself and acts as a charger as well? Seems same price point.
Very cool!!
Bit gimmicky in my opinion. Cute,novelty. The light weight features are lost as you need to carry a battery pack.
Everyone carries a power pack anyway now so not really
@@richtea7868: Well no actually, not everyone does at all. I most certainly don't! And the person just above you that you initially replied to obviously doesn't either! You somehow seemed to miss the irony there!
For me one of the main motives about getting away camping and/or hiking around for a few days, or whatever, is to get WELL AWAY from all such electronics as much as is possible.
Neither would I be carrying a cell phone either as many do, as I do not have one. And have never ever had one. I have never used or carried cell phones around with me as I never bought into it's woefully sad, addiction and obsession cult, in the first place.
So no, again, that's simply not true. Not everyone will be carrying a power bank..
@@oakenspoken9329 sorry I discounted luddites as didn't think there was many on TH-cam. Keep rubbing those sticks together
@@richtea7868 : No, you are mistaken, I am not a Luddite. I didn't even know they still existed, or were still around to be honest. But no man, I'm not.
And as regards "rubbing those sticks together", are you now being willfully rude about the many Wild Campers or Bushcrafters who prefer to use more natural fire starting methods when out such as the flint and steel, or (as you mention it) the friction based, wood on wood methods?
All of which methods feature heavily and are taught on much of Wild Camping, Woodcraft, and Bushcrafting TH-cam in a very great number of videos.
I suspect you are somewhat naive to the subject matter, as this is now the second time you somehow missed the irony..
@@richtea7868 urrrrr no... not everyone. All the gimmicks these days you may as well go glamping or your shed.
QUESTION: Andy - what is that pot/kettle you used on the trip with Simon? It looks really versatile!
Hi Andy , would a Trangia fit inside this ? I can see a mega flame from a Trangia with the airflow !
Bottom edge needs a lip to fit a MSR canister stand for stability.
Ah! I had considered this - and I still think it might be a good idea. Though my thinking was that it would only ever be as stable as the pan on top? Which is the same diameter :/
My lixada has a fan ,it’s a straw and my lungs 🫁 🌬 🤣
Andy - is this also a wood gasifier stove as I can see holes and double chambers ?
This recorded before the Sweeden/Norway trip? See the gauges are back. Figured one in the Amak and other possibly in a Norwegian river lol
How do you feed the fire with the pot on it and that was definitely not half full
Cheers for the video, I have been watching the inventors vids for sometime, even got onto his website at the launch of the early bird offer some weeks back. I like the product, the downside for me is the cost, way beyond my budget. I do wish the invertor well wishes though and hope he makes a go of things :)
Best camp with a portable electric fence in bear country. 2.4 lbs. Small kit for huge peace of mind
I asked for one to test seeing as I'm homeless and it'd get an awful lot of use but Jonny didn't think it would stand up to daily use so it was a no which was disappointing.
You MUST NOT run it without the fan running as the electronics will be damaged.
Thanks Simon, you're correct, the stove should be powered when lit, as it is the airflow that keeps everything at a good temperature.
yeah - sorry, I only had enough pre-production units made up to send out to a few (4 in total) users.
Hi Yes I know about this But how about Dry and wet wood or pellet Its work or not? And the fan/cable/jack can be very hot with dry pellet or woodstick. I not so sure this work over long period of use... I its my thinking Stig
Very cool stove..................Im sure on low it's hot enough, and the fuel would last longer.
Great idea 👍but a bit out of my price range 😢
I think I like the Biolite stoves better, instead of using power they actually generate power. Price would probably be about the same with exchange as well.
I've been using a Biolite for a decade now. Great stove. And it wasn't £140 either.
Ah great to see that you're using the LOFI stove Andy, it looks like it's working well for you! 🔥
Such a good video, really informative... you're much better at explaining it than I am, so thank you.
It's also interesting seeing it used by a bushcrafter too, as I've obviously come at the design from burning gas and meths up on the hills where this stove really shines, but it looks to be useful in the woodland as well 😄
Any plans to make an aluminium or stainless steel version? If you check the comments a lot of people are interested in the product, but find it a little pricey. If you could halve the cost you'd have a lot more takers, even if that version is a bit heavier.
@@chrisb9345 Thanks for the support Chris, I'm talking to a few people at the moment who should be able to help me make this in Stainless Steel - so fingers crossed I can make this in a more affordable version in the near future. You're totally right though, I think that a heavier, cheaper version would be really popular too 🥳
@@JonnyLOFI Great, obviously you are just getting on your feet, so I have subbed to your channel, and will see how the product evolves. Best of luck to you.
Did he pay for it or was it a freebie? Against YT rules not to mention paid promotions and that includes reviews where item has been given for free.
@@chrisb9345 Is any version available to USA buyers?
Thanks
So does this stove create electricity like a biolite or just a fan that you have to recharge or needs a battery pack and can go flat on you when your out, if it makes electricity its a good thing, if its just a stove with a fan it's shite
It's a twig stove that requires a charged battery to be used. That's right you can't use this stove without electricity. No it doesn't charge any battery. If you use it without the fan running the fan melts. Somehow this is a big improvement over normal twig stoves.
@@alexander5207 ahh cheers mate, ill stick with my biolite then :)
I was about to pull the trigger to get in the queue, but I realised I have questions. Is the fan easily (screwdriver) replaceable? And will the maker eventually be able to supply the cables separately as a spare part? Thanks in advance!
Yes to all the above. I’ve tested and reviewed the same stove and asked Jonny these questions. Think there’s a 3yr warranty on it too.
I got in on this kickstarter and was happy to get the Super Early Bird perk. I get one of the first 50 off the assembly line. I am very excited for this item. Johnny met his goal in 26 hours of starting the campaign! I really think he could end up making this a sustainable product long term. Worth every penny to see this guy's ingenuity pay off!
Love Biomass related stoves like this. Great when all you got is rubbish around and not a lot of wood for a full fire.
I hope Johnny's patents are rock solid. My prediction is that there will be third party imitations of this very soon after it launches which won't cost anything like £140.
@@davidf4897 Chinese manufacturers don’t worry about patents . Within months clones will be popping up on Ali-express and Wish for a third of the price .
Designed and made in Bristol! :D
Runs off twigs LOL
I wish the Vital Stove by Solhuma were still in production. If it still is i would like to know about it. Does anyone know a place that sells them in europe? Found a little site that sells them from Canada but the shipping costs were high so did not go through with the checkout process
How does it do without the power? Does it still work? You could compare it to a solo stove lite, which is a similar sized wood gasifier stove that uses no power.
Hi Ian, the LOFI stove needs to be powered or the fire will choke due to lack off air movement, but being protected from the elements like this means that it is very windproof. The solo stove is a little bigger, and heavier but may be more suitable for most peoples needs, unless you’re up in the hills.
Jonny
Wonderful piece of kit. But a little bit expensive for my budget.
Hi Andy well the fact it has a fan and is light weight makes it really efficient I like it.
This is highly refined and works beautifully but I’m not convinced. If it gets wet it could be buggered, I’d rather have a gas burner that works in it and when the gas runs out have a small air pump so that you can pump air into the gas bottle and then use the air from the gas bottle with a control valve/regulator when cooking with wood. This compressed air could also help to start a camp fire in difficult conditions. If that’s too much weight to carry then the next option is a good quality large balloon with a lightweight plastic control valve/regulator.
Thanks Tim, some interesting ideas here! in my experiments, it was air volume that was needed, not so much pressure. The fan puts through a lot more air volume than a balloon would hold over 5min or so...
Hello have you compared the solo stove lite to this please
I like a stove that you can put actual wood in, rather than twigs. I don't like the constant feeding. An Opinel saw is small enough to fit in the knife pocket on your pants, and cuts the thicker sticks to stove length.
A slower stove is not a disadvantage if you can light it and walk away to set up your tent, find more wood etc.
A stove that needs constant feeding with small twigs keeps you pinned in place, feeding it!
What a unique little stove! It looks well designed. Do you find yourself using it much? Thanks for the review.
Nice little piece of kit!! Thanks for sharing.
I Say Andy Old chap! What a cool little stove super efficient and lightweight being titanium. So glad you enjoying the Liberation Sauce cheers mate ✌️🙏