he didn't really love them though. that part was a lie. Some fans tend to lionize Logan, just because he knew what he was doing business-wise (most of the time). But Logan was the worst most immoral character on that show and he made them the way they are. He's blaming them for his mistakes
@@bigoltits1880 I think the worst character was Caroline. Their mother. No matter what Logan is, a loving mother would change the game for the siblings.
The worst part of that quote is: -That is Logan's last word to all of them -All of them ends up dissapoint him as none of them following his legacy -They never apologize to him or even have a chance to impress him again (Besides Connor who had a private dinner time with him + Old Guards and Kerri) -Logan never know that Shiv is pregnant as Shiv is his favorite kid and he even supported Tom to not get divorced with her by blocking all of the divorce attorneys and he deep down knows that Kendall's "kids" aren't his. Therefore, his real grandkid is in Shiv's belly.
I've never felt as devastated & completely drained by a character, as I felt for Kendall after this. Just absolutely shattering. His whole life was gearing towards this moment, and he nearly had it, and then it was swept completely away from him.
Are you guys really serious? Kendall was unfairly made to obsess over this by Logan. He’s not cut out for it (that’s a good thing) he’s an addict to cope with this. I’m so stunned at how many people think Kendall should’ve taken over, and that him not getting it is a tragedy. This business is a cancer on all of them. And tbh Kendall’s skills are mediocre at best. His reaction just shows how he shouldn’t run it.
@@margarethmichelina5146He never killed someone in accident in the first place its the boy who made a sudden move to the car so it's not even Kendall fault
Kendall Season 1: A Broken Man Kendall Season 2: Blaming his dad for the cruise scandal Kendall Season 3: Broken but still gets support from his siblings and seemingly killing his daughter's rabbit with bagel but rabbit is a herbivore (we have no idea about what happen to the rabbit afterwards but I think it dies) Kendall Season 4: Being completely broken altogether
Kendall season 2: "NRPI? That's disgusting! I'm gonna take down my father for this dehumanising admission!" Kendall season 4: "ehh don't worry about the dead kid, NRPI right?"
@@quietek1074Who would anyone choose to be the CEO if the candidate look like this: 1. The son of the CEO who is a drug addict, can't take criticism, insecure and childish. 2. The other son of the CEO who is a pervert, making sex jokes, making weird noise and likes to jerk off and even hit on the only female senior executive. 3. The daughter of the CEO who just enters the company, never working, talk too much, and rude. 4. The grand nephew of the CEO who is socially awkard but tall and join the company because of nepotism. But, he's actually a backstabber and likes to play both sides for his own advantage. 5. The manager of the cruise and park and then later the news entertainment who works at the company for so long and even married the daughter of CEO.
@@retrobat153 until he realizes that it was for the best that he didn't win for his own mental health he should grow out of wanting that position to heal
@@micow9951 That's what a healthy and normal person would do but kendal is neither. I dont think hell off himself but he will live a boring life doing absolutely nothing of improtance He could OD too but IDK if I could see him doing that
@@micow9951i mean the decesion could've been delivered in a better way by shiv And the reason for her making that decesion wasn't because she gave two fucks about her brother or his mental health It was becaus shes a jealous petty bitch that couldn't stand her brithers winning
Roman and Connor are the only siblings who are self aware in the end except Connor has been surviving alone with no love for a long time while Roman just got the face of reality for the last 2 seasons. Also, what happened with him and Tabitha? Did they break up? He's never mentioning her again in Season 3 as he's single and even he keeps flirting with Gerri. We never see her again after Logan 50th's anniversary of the company.
Right after he told his brother that your kids arent real and not part of their bloodline ❤. Not to mention also silently support watching all his brothers dreams and ambitions go down the drain due to someone's insecurity
@@Nopanophe was neutral until Kendall lied about the guy he killed and tried to make it forget just to push his own ego for the CEO position over the destroyed bond moment they had , Kendall deserved his ending, not serious people
@@XTheLolX301 he wasnt neutral , he was jus looking for an excuse to stab his brother like the 🐍 he is. Kendall deserved to be ceo , he was as serious as anyone on the show
And ironically in every Season finale, Kendall always kills: Season One: Accidentally killing someone Season Two: Killing Logan's trust and reputation from cruise scandal Season Three: Killing his old persona from being a frat boy who liked to party and being a broken man only later got support from his siblings and they killed their chance to stop the Gojo Deal Season Four: Kendall and his siblings killing their own reputations on this board meeting after learning all of them are not exactly being trusted.
In a way, had Kendall not desperately denied he was a killer, he might have pulled it off? Lying to deny it was the final straw (especially for Roman)…it actually reinforces what Logan said? Kendall isn’t a killer, and it’s what finally, ultimately lost it for him.
For Kendall, it was always a coronation. Something he was supposed to have, not anything he ever really wanted. When something is expecated for so long, you believe it's what you want. That's the problem with legacy when parents die.
In the end of the day, the siblings are clueless on real world. They don't know how to grow up, they don't know how to take responsibility, the way they want CEO position is like kids wanting their toys. Logan also was wrong to promise the CEO position to them one by one, because of this, they become arrogant and fight each other just because "Daddy told me!" They thought, they're gonna fight Logan, Mattson or Tom but the real enemies are themselves. They can't trust each other, they can't coorporate and they are indeed still the kids outside their dad's office. They treat the company like their playground but they are oblivious because they are too spoiled. The scene of them arguing in a room with transparent glass showed their immaturity and in other people's POV, they see that Logan Roy was indeed a bad father because he has 3 children who know nothing about the company let alone being mature. And the fact Kendall has an audicity to go back to Board Meeting room and want to adjurn the meeting is totally show how childish he is. He's the oldest of them all but he is also the most childish of them all.
@@busterandrews Think about it, Sophie doesn't look like Kendall or Rava even her skin is browner compared to Rava who is half Indian. If you look closely, Iverson doesn't look like both of them either. So, either Kendall adopted those 2 or probably either Kendall or Rava used baby tube program for Iverson or both of them having a sperm donor to have a kid. Either way, none of the kids look like Kendall and Rava. Also, Shiv's future kid will used Wambsgans on its last name unless Shiv and Tom want to have Wambsgans-Roy for the kid's last name. So, the only thing they can continue the bloodline of Roys is either Connor and Willa want to have baby soon or Roman is getting married but dude can't even have sex to his exes because of him feeling awkward to be touched by women.
I also thinking maybe he used 200 IQ move by mocking Kendall's kids not his to let Shiv escape and also show everyone how Kendall is completely unhinged by making Kendall attacking him. Also, after getting his stitches bleeding back at Logan's office, Roman also look down and uncomfortable because his big bro who used to protect him become a monster just like his dad was. Also, he said "No" on the vote for a long time. He's also following Kendall who follows Shiv to different room not to bully Shiv but instead to stop him to attack Shiv who is pregnant. Usually, Roman is always Kendall's Yes man but on this situation, he fights back and stand up to himself. Also, Roman never interested to be CEO anyway, he just wants his dad's approval.
An incredible powerful ending indeed. It makes perfect sense that Shiv doesn't want to vote for him but at the same time its impossible not to feel bad for Kendall.
@@laimejannister5627It's not about the wealth or status, it's about the ambition and power. For them, being CEO means they win, they get the crown and have power above of everyone.
@@margarethmichelina5146 exactly, you said "for them...being CEO...", meaning that they themselves would feel bad for themselves but it bears no relevance to whether I/anyone else would feel bad for them
Also, noticed how the entire time, Kendall is the only one who's screaming while Roman and Shiv are talking with their lower voice because most of the time Kendall can't read the room and environment. And later, Kendall has audicity to come back to Board Meeting Room and asked the Board Meeting members to adjourn the meeting even though they saw him yelling at his younger siblings, having a childish meltdown, squeezing Roman's skull, trying to attack Shiv who's pregnant. It's also ironic how the entire season 4 is about them talking about the Board Meeting and want to stop the Gojo Deal so badly and all of them blew it up on this scene. They also forget about their planning to buy the Pierce, release The Hundred and Living Plus. -PGN is still working but they're still doing the old ways as Waystar has gone modern with Gojo on their streaming service and PGN is gonna dying soon also as far as I remember, Nan Pierce doesn't have children and her husband already died, she only has her relatives and nobody can continue PGN legacy on the family. -The Hundred is Roman's idea but also Kendall wants to help him to organize it but since all of the siblings don't want to talk no more (unless Connor want to reunite them if he wants to), the plan is abandoned and Roman can't do it without Kendall as Roman is mostly dependant to Kendall or someone else -Living Plus project is eventually never happened because Kendall is not in the company anymore. Also, Mattson who is controlling Waystar right now never agree of that plan and will erase it altogether and it never happenes. Long story short: Logan Roy's legacy died.
@@mariakrauszowska3786 Kendall was driving. The waiter pulled on the wheel because Kendall was not paying attention to the road and would have hit a deer.
2:28 the thing i find disturbing is that we can see Roman smile when Kendall attacks him and then he does not even raise his arms or defends himself. And then his comment "you have no kids". Roman clearly enjoys this.
I know I'm late here, but Roman does not enjoy any of this. His smile his how he's learned to cope with conflict. This entire scene is great because you witness each character's worse traits as a result of their upbringing. Roman was physically abused by Logan, the way he learned how to cope was not to fight back and to seem non-threatening. This is why he's always joking or saying fucked up shit. If he's always saying something weird, and maybe gets daddy to laugh, then maybe daddy Logan won't hit him today. He's not going to fight Kendall, because he's never stood up when faced with actual conflict, especially a physical confrontation. But we do notice how he immediately jumps to Shiv's defense when Kendall goes for her.
What if Roman used 200 IQ move to make Kendall attacks him so the people on outside of the office can see who Kendall really is? Because look at the room, it's on transparent glass and people can see what happened. Also, Kendall constantly yelling to his siblings as Kendall doesn't always look at his environment. So, people see Kendall as a peculiant child who bully his younger siblings to get what he wants. Roman also looking embarrased when Kendall talks to Shiv and bragging her to change her mind. He even questioned whether or not Kendall killed the waiter.
It was bait to get shiv out of the room because the moment he started going all over the place with “I did didn’t kill him” Roman was like buddy you’re too unstable to run this and I don’t care enough to run this plus once he slipped up he couldn’t take that back and be like I’m perfectly fine like he always does
Or maybe Roman used his 200 IQ to tell everyone that Kendall is not good enough to be the CEO and provocated him more to attack him as Kendall was the only one who yelled and screamed on that room as Shiv and Rome looked concerned and worried. He knows his big brother doesn't always read his room every time he's mad so he makes him more violent. But, as soon as Kendall wants to attack Shiv, he finally fights back.
The real devastation in this scene is the fact that Shiv and Roman are so spiteful that they would lose the entire company their dad built just so their brother couldn’t have it. Shiv has seen how Mattson operates and she knows he’s just as much of an arrogant idiot as Ken but she just hates the fact that it’s her POS older brother who always leaves her out, just like her father did. I really don’t think Ken killing someone ever really mattered, I mean who knows what secrets Logan had. She’s just trying to justify the fact that she really just despises Ken, which all hurts even more bc we just saw them have such an amazing moment of authentic bonding the night before. The genius of this ending is that you finally realize that the show wasn’t about which kid is gonna get the company but really about how abuse and trauma can be cyclical and incredibly damaging throughout every family, even among the most wealthy.
For years I always wondered how this show would end, what the last scene would be. I always pictured something grand and poetic, like Kendall standing by Logan's deathbed or something equally predictable. Instead the show ends exactly how it should have: a playground fight between children. I'm astonished at how fitting and perfect it is, how it elucidates that this is what the show has always been building up to. They're just scared, stunted little children who have never had the opportunity to truly grow up. Such a tragic story.
Mattson generated an entire company that was so large it ended up buying the company that Logan built. Kendall achieved NOTHING on his own. His ideas are bullshit. He is bullshit and he's a barely functioning addict, a walking time bomb prone to periods of mania or depression that massively impact his personal life and the business. There is definitely an element of spite and jealousy from Shiv and Roman but the fact is Kendall is an enormous liability who cannot ever be allowed to lead the company
The fact that it never supposedly bothered her up to that point shows that it never mattered. It was just her trying to put him in a position where he either loses it and she becomes a victim who can righteously stab him, or he tolerates it and he's a pushover unworthy of respect and she can also stab him. Ken could have summoned himself to create a third option, where he gives some impassioned speech about how he's going to make it right, but he always wanted the love and approval of the most Logan-like person in his family. First his father, then Shiv, and you can't test real approval/love unless you give someone the opportunity to shank you. It's just that Ken is surrounded by people who absolutely will shank him, so it doesn't work. The poor guy is pleading to his sister to not do that and she just jams the knife in then uses his rage as justification.
Ken is an addict. He was not cut out for this role. And the response he gives shiv after she said he killed someone just confirmed it. The moment he lied out of desperation both roman and shiv knew he wasn't the right choice.
Sad part is Ken predict this in the prior episode when he was talking to Hugo but as soon as he gets close to victory he lets his guard down. He forgot how petty Shiv is and rather than covet Frank or another board member he is happy with the slim majority. Had he done so, he wouldn’t be in a position of extreme dependence we see him in with the sibs. he be the CEO and he would tell the others to F off.
Ken's problem is that it's a tremendous deal for the shareholders. I'm still surprised Stewie stuck by Ken considering how much money he'd make if they sell.
Kendall betrayed shiv first and then got consequences. He was never cut out for it. Too many people miss the point of this show. Kendall getting the job would’ve been a terrible move.
@@TheSuperNats I don't think this is as simple as that. The sibs constantly betray each other, they are incapable of working together because that is how Logan raised them. Were they able to, the show would be over in S1. All 3 are pretty weak compared to Logan, but Ken would likley do the best among and with the right mentors (eg: Frank) he could be passable. Just look at the funeral speech: Ken >> Shiv >>>>>> Roman. Or even at the end of season 1 with the bear hug. Had Logan not pushed him back into drugs and his self-destructive behavior he couldd have very well won right there.
@@crabbieappleton Well it be short-term profits vs long-term. Remember, Logan and Ken did not make the same deal. Logan's deal was better despite it being less money. Logan Kept ATN whereas Ken sold it all. The problem is that ATN is arguably the only valuable asset at Waystar. The rest was liabilities and items that can barely break even. Logan carved out the meat and gave the Sweed the bones and sinew for an outrageous price of 140B and the man was too busy sending frozen blood to people to see it!
@@crimansizers5840 I think Mattson knew this. It's why he kept hesitating on the deal, hoping to prompt the Roys to sweeten it. And they did. And the theme of most of the show was that Waystar was a dinosaur, even ATN (which, like Fox News is mostly angry old white people). There's a strong possibility of NO long-term profits with an independent Waystar. Ultimately, the shareholders run the company.
It's so wonderful how smoothly and invisibly the show just shifts who we root for, who with sympathise with. I got on Team Kendall with the "meal fit for a king" scene, but the second he denied the murder, also destroying that one moment of honesty in the dirt that bounded him and the sibs, he lost me again.
What convinced Shiv that shouldn't have been Kendall is precisely this moment the moment of true when Kendall can lose all he begs like a child begging his parent for an expensive toy that is not a CEO who can lead a company, if Kendall would explain why Tom and Matsson were the worst option than him maybe Shiv have accepted him but at the moment he starts begging he just killed himself you can see in her eyes she is struggling at the beginning almost certain shouldn't be Kendall but still struggling at the moment he starts begging she is not struggling anymore
Shiv is just petty as always. Whenever she doesn't like someone to be the leader, she's always gaslighting but she lost the arguments anyway. Like how she didn't agree to have Kendall as temporary CEO in Season One, Rhea being the next CEO candidate in Season Two, Mecken being the next president in Season Three, and finally Kendall again being the next CEO. She's always double cross her family by siding with someone else which is totally dumb. That's why Mattson decided to betray her after see how dumb she is and choose Tom as the CEO. Also, Shiv is pregnant and her mind is totally unstable due to pregnancy, so it just worse.
Shiv has never made good decision in entire show and Roman was never strong enough to have clear opinion or take risk. If they would stick to the plan they would have it all.
Again, Shiv could have stopped their plans before getting to this point. But maybe Tom's honesty finally got to her, or this was revenge for Kendall playing Nirvana during her speech.
It also mirrors Kendall ultimately siding with Mencken in earlier episodes. Though Kendall never said he was going to choose Mencken, so that's on Shiv.
Also, both of Roman and Kendall always leave Shiv behind as they always see as "annoying little girl". Even in opening scene since Season 2, when the Roy Kids have family photo, in one second, Shiv is left alone without her brothers. Shiv is always being outcast because she's the only girl on the family even worst, her parents neglect her. A workaholic father and a mother who doesn't even know how to be a mother. You can see that Caroline must hate Shiv the most throughout the shows even suggested Shiv to not have kids. What kind of mother asking everyone if her daughter's marriage work it on the day before her wedding? If she cares to Shiv, she wouldn't do that.
At no point Kendall argued that he has experience on working for the company for many years. “I’m the oldest boy” was his best argument. I knew he wasn’t fit for the job during the last episode of the first season, in which instead of focusing on the company’s buyout, he was desperately looking for cocaine. I thought: “There’s no way this insecure, weak junk can be the CEO of a major company like that.”
Even worse, he yells at his siblings on the office full of glass and also in other people's POV, they see Kendall is yelling like a child for no reason to his younger siblings while Shiv and Roman are terrified. And then, Kendall attacks Roman and try to attack Shiv and the people realizes that Kendall is unhinged and unstable and there's no way he can be the CEO.
Not just a year, probably a month or even in a week, he's already failed. Kendall mostly can't take criticism from the others and he mostly a misognistic as he mostly treat women very bad and he also will "rap" and won't let anyone speak. Also, he's a drug addict, someone might catch him doing drugs and he will be arrested for drug possessions and will get his CEO position permanently gone. Kendall is always shooting himself in the foot as he has no idea where to begin with.
I personally never thought it was going to be Kendall. Word was going to come out about what happened with the waiter at some point. Whether he killed him or not, he was going to have to resign once that did come out. It truly sucks what happened to Kendall as a character throughout the series. But once he drove that car into the water, under no circumstance did I think Kendall was ever going to come out on top.
@@mariakrauszowska3786Kendall was driving the car as the waiter was high on weed. But, Kendall, who hasn't drive for a long time and he mostly got carried by the driver is not very used to manual car as he mostly doing automatically. Roman also can drive actually as he's picking up Kendall who was high on Family Therapy episode as Kendall avoided the Family Therapy to Connor's Ranch.
Anyone who thinks Shiv was trying to 'save' Kendall in any way, or was doing it purely for her own gain: You have missed the point. Her "hehehe you don't get to be CEO" expression at 0:03? The fact that she flounders with the waiter's death (which she clearly cares nothing for) which has nothing to do with how Ken would be as a CEO? Please, come on. Ken shot himself in the foot right at the finish line, putting his feet on the desk and acting so smug in the board meeting. It was that bit too much for her jealousy and resentment.
Literally just binged the entire series and man oh man this was wild,I’m pretty sure they won’t even ever speak to one another or be at shivs baby shower or holiday get togethers.
@@bevercage6673 and yet they still wanted that position. The point is no money is ever enough. And they all wanted that position of power. But hypothetically, I see shiv and Roman getting back together. Kendall might either go off the deep end or maybe he gets his silver lining by reuniting with his family.
@@Jeremy-wp4yh roman and shiv getting together is very probable but i dont see kendall ever getting back. Kendall didnt really want money. He wanted power. His desire of power is higher than his desire for ANYTHING. While that is true to some extent for Shiv and roman. I think roman doesnt want that power all that much. He lost but lost satisfyingly. Shiv still retains a bit of power she longingly wants as she knew she would never be relevant to Kendal so she went with Tom. Kendal truly lost. Thats what i meant that no amount of money can talk infront of their lust for power.
@@bevercage6673 I've noticed the comments were saying that Shiv was being spiteful or any other reason for her not choosing Kendall. But I disagree. You can clearly see the moment of realization when she confronts him about the murder and in his desperation he lied. Both shiv and Roman realized that he would never be a good CEO. the addictive personality and hunger for power made him desperate and irresponsible. The scene is very powerful. I also liked how Roman's first instinct is to protect shivs baby when Kendall attacks him
Ken was a character that I was strangely pulling for and I hoped he could get it all together… I thought from the start of season 2 that he was going to emotionally mature. Slowly but surely. But nope! He always has to stumble at the finish line.
I always wondered how two siblings, Logan and Ewan, didn't get along. I know here the dynamics are different and the circumstances but sometimes blood isn't thicker than water and relationships can easily be torn. I wouldn't be surprised if Kendall never spoke to Shiv again.
I can literally hear Shiv saying, many decades from now, to one of Kendall's potential grandchildren (much like Logan to Greg in the pilot): "I would do anything for my brother. All he has to do is ask." And Kendall, in his mania could very well say "There's an argument to be made that she's worse than Hitler."
Me too for me Roman and Shiv will still be talking because we need to be fair they can dislike each other but they will never abandon each other but Kendall and Shiv won’t definitely talk again
@@niraxlevi9930 No she wasn't. She was a lot dumber than she thought and acted on an impulse. I mean you would think she would've had it in season 2 when Logan offered it to her but she ruined it all just because Logan didn't wanna tell the Pierce family that she was gonna be CEO when it was her who wanted to keep it on the low in the first place. She acted out saying "for f*** sake, dad, just tell them it's gonna be me." Like that was the most important thing at the moment, not landing the Pierce deal or probably not breaking it to the entire family at the dinner with the Pierces. And the letter that she wrote about Kendall in S3 was pure rage. She was emotional and did not have control. She also had no experience whatsoever, and you would think she would be fit with a bit of training but she also thought "a 3 year timeline" was too long of training when she never even worked at the company. So yeah I've never seen a person who thinks they're smarter than they really are like Shiv.
@@niraxlevi9930shiv was inexperienced and would really overstep, thinking she was smarter than she was. None of them were fine and that's the ultimate point
In the end of the day, Shiv is mostly being used by the men around her: -Logan used her to make sure that she won't going anywhere around him as she's his only daughter and one of his successors but she's always talk back to him -Gil used her to destroy Logan and ATN's reputation but she quits -Tom used her to increase his status and even he admitted to Greg that he was interested on her purse instead of her at first but she's always treating him like a lapdog -Mattson used her to tear her brothers apart after their interractions on Norway only to realize how dumb she is as she begged like a child to make her CEO and then he dumped her. So, long story short, Shiv is a clueless spoiled rich girl who is being used by everyone just because she's the CEO's daughter. But then after her father died, she becomes nothing.
But when they start grappling shiv just leaves roman with Ken on top and doesn't even try to help him. I like how the between the lines stuff like that really gives us so much info about their dynamic
@@josephnissenson3252She tried to help Roman by poking Kendall and yelling "Stop! Stop!" But, Kendall has no response and she wanted to escape from the chaos until Kendall wants to grab her and Roman grabbed him so she can leave
Also, he mostly can't take criticism and will lash out like a child. He also can be sexist in some cases like how he's always leaving Shiv alone, abandoning Rava, kicking out Karolina from the car, yelling at the female lawyer on Season 3, tresting Jess like his servant most of the time and etc. Also, he's a drug addict and worst case scenario, he might die by overdosed soon while being in CEO.
Kendall turning into a begging, salivating child after watching him at his most private (hiding in server rooms and temper tantrums in bathrooms) broke me. Kendall's best case scenario was getting the job "that clearly kills you."
Imagine ‘losing’ and still walking away with $2 billion, more money than almost everybody will ever see. Edit - It's actually $2.4 billion, because the .4 is an awful lot in itself.
It's funny that both Roman and Shiv felt betrayed and angry at Kendall because he lied to them about killing the waiter. You could think that maybe they would feel relieved that their brother didn't kill someone, but no their ego is way more important than him not committing a crime.
One could only feel relieved Kendall didn't kill anyone if he denied some crazy rumor that some random guy started just to destroy Kendall's image. Instead, he denies the rumor (he "started" after having a mental breakdown and trying to kill himself) in a moment of pure desperation to get Shiv to vote for him. If anything, this moment only displayes weakness on his part
@@dimitriemirea6084 Oh, I agree Ken's move is pure weakness, and makes him a more piece of shit for not only killing (indirectly) the waiter but denying it to convince her sister to vote for him. But still, as a brother i would feel relieved if my brother said to me that he didn't kill someone. Then I would be upset for him lying to me but only after not before.
Tbf i'm not sure if they were pissed bc they believed that he lied the first time, or bc they realise THIS is the obvious pathetic lie and they're pissed he even tried it
@@peterumathum4903 That's a good point. And I could see why they would be pissed at him. It would just go to show that Ken had already lost any type of decency by killing the waiter and then lying about it to get himself in power. Total dipshit.
Also, remember, that Roman and Shiv are not fully supporting Kendall 100% to be the next CEO, they were just like, "Uh, fuck it. Let's make him the CEO because he wants it so bad since he was 7." Just like how Willa said "Fuck It." To marry Connor in Season 3. And then, they've changed their minds as soon as Kendall sitting on Logan's chair and rethinking their decision. Shiv changed her mind when Kendall put his foot on the desk while Roman changed his mind after Kendall pushed his stich wound to bleed. Also, Shiv is on dilemma either she wants Tom, her husband whom she hates the most becomes the CEO or her arrogant idiot older brother to be the CEO. Kendall is also trusting them too much and he's always forgetting his sibling's attitude who will fight back and be petty.
What's crazy about this whole feud, it's that even if the company was sold away, they were getting billions, each one of them. Ken was a loser; he knew he could never create a company from scratch and make it successful. Thats why he needed it so badly, not to feel like a loser and as he deserved it, the whole meritocracy stuff rich people love to boast about.
People say shiv and roman are pure evil...and roman is many times really evil..but kendall .. when he doesn't get what he wants he can really kill even his siblings in reality..see how he's hurting roman he's pure killer a real killer and a child and unstable..he should've really gotten therapy before wanting to become the ceo
At first I was like shiv why ? But seeing his reaction I was like shiv YESSS I remembered that he is my least favorite sibling they're all assholes but there's something fundamental I don't like about Kendal that "meal fit for a king " scene almost made me forget that I really don't want him to win although I wouldn't really call becoming CEO a win who'd want that much stress and toxicity when you can just have money and retirement
Thinking that anyone "won" is missing the point entirely. Tom also loses in the end by becoming a puppet CEO, staying with a wife who doesn't love him and losing Greg to the soon to be implemented downsizing plan. All the main characters in this show live the tragic consequence of a life of worshiping optics, which is sadly to be continued forward through Siobhan's unwanted pregnancy. The sincere words spoken in this scene by Roman "We are bullshit" resemble those of his father in season 3 "You're not real people". The worship of optics leaves all the main characters, hollow. Approaching the ending of this show like the finale of Game of Thrones is truly mistaken beyond belief.
The only person who truly wins in any sense is Roman. He gained the self-awareness that the other siblings lacked. By recognizing how BS everything was, he finally has a chance to let go and be a better person and live a good life. It’s a slim possibility, of course, but it now exists for him.
In a way this was a good ending for Kendall because this is his ultimate rock bottom. Estranged from his whole family, the family he created but then lost, and the family he was born into. No job. However he’s still a billionaire several times over. Him taking over would never have made him look at reality and who he has become. With the burden and anxiety of taking over the company behind him, he can start to try and heal if he’s truly willing to take an unflinching look at himself.
The reason Kendall didn’t tell Shiv back in season 2 about the kid is because for this exact reason. He knew she might use it as leverage somewhere down the line. And he was right that is exactly what just happened her. Now I think Kendall probably would have brought the company downhill, but still she used him accidentally killing a kid against him. The sibling relationship is completely broken at this point which is sad because at the season 3 you thought it might last. Their hatred for their father was what was keeping them united.
What makes me hate Shiv more is that she really doesn’t do anything to stop Kendall from hurting Roman, and just decides to walk away. Just another indication of how their childhoods played out with Roman taking most of the physical abuse from Logan while Shiv never had to deal with it and looked out for herself
If you look closely, as soon as Kendall attacking Roman, she tried to stop him by constantly poking him and said; "STOP! STOP!" But since Kendall is getting unhinged, she tried to escape as it will be risky for her while pregnant to fight him back until Kendall tried to grab her and Roman protects her by grabbing Kendall.
El padre hizo el trabajo perfecto con sus hijos jamas los hizo unidos y siempre los mantuvo en competencia por eso ni muerto Logan ellos pueden unirse y no son capaces de ceder el máximo puesto por el bien común, por un momento de sintió tan bien que Kendall casi lo logrará porque definitivamente para mi es el más competente siempre y cuando esté enfocado.
He could kill himself as he has no purpose on his life anymore and he is completely alone. He might try to contact any of his siblings but none of them will pick up anymore. He might try to call Rava to ask about his "kids" but since he lashed out to her last time, she won't care anymore. Stewie also will stay with The Furnesses and won't contact him anymore. Collin is just his bodyguard, not his friend.
One of the most frustrating parts about this is that he never fully came clean on how/what exactly happened to him with that kid in the car. He didn't actually kill someone, i mean, he wasn't exactly lucid at the time but it was a very unfortunate mistake (yes, albeit caused by negligence and stupidity). That said, if at any point in time (including here) the story was clearer, I don't think they would have viewed it to be as big of an issue and definitely not as a "you killed someone" issue. To make matters worse his bullshit here about the story made it way worse...
I was desperate to see them function as happy siblings who genuinely love each other. Of course, at the beginning of the season, it seems that this is the case; they're turning a new page, but nope, there's simply no way that Shiv could be happy for someone else, even her own brother and her selfish desires superseded everything else.
Yes, which later has been proven by her bringing up a family secret to win a business argument. That shows, she's just don't want to vote for him and she is not even sure why, but she had made up her mind.
@@niraxlevi9930nah she knows Tom will be eating out of her hand again inside a year and that if she votes her brothers out she’ll never have to deal with them again as she continues trying to ascend to her fathers position. She won, just not yet. She’s now the only one who will have a chance after this, of the three of them and she knows it.
Was there ANY proper response to "you killed someone"? True, Kendall's response was the worst possible reaction, but I'm not sure anything would've changed Shiv's mind. The best move would've been to keep Shiv out of the loop until the last possible moment, THEN reveal Tom's the pick instead of her. Her vote needs to be a reaction, not a plan
Money doesn’t fix emotional trauma. His father gave him money from his business through shares but that doesn’t mean Ken isn’t broken or doesn’t have a lot of emotional trauma.
@@TylonMonger you’re a fucking idiot. He’s a billionaire yes, but he also is divorced, has a strained relationship ship with his druggie girlfriend, barely has a relationship with his kids, and now has no relationship with his siblings. He has spent every ounce of his life trying to live up to an image placed in his head by his father when he was 7 years old and just a few days after his fathers funeral, he loses it all because his sister decides she’s not really on his side. His brother just called his kids not his and every other person in his life is either there because they want a piece of the empire or were close to his dad. His entire life has been dictated by his father, revolved around this business and his father, and he’s so trapped in the loop of his abused childhood and his lack of self worth that the only goal to obtain to be worthy of anything was ripped from him by his jealous and backstabbing sister. It’s heartbreaking because he only ever had one thing, and only ever wanted the love and respect of his father, and now he has neither and is alone. No amount of money or hollow therapy sessions is going to just “bam” fix that shit.
@@Harry_S._Plinkett I agree. When Shiv first came into the office at Logan's invitation (Season 1), Kendall asked her why was she there. I thought that was strange question considering she was in her father's office.
Roman saying we're bullshit is interesting, like he may be the only one out of three who knows it through the entire show. Therefore never really stepping into power since it wouldnt make enough sense.
“I love you, but you are not serious people”
he didn't really love them though. that part was a lie. Some fans tend to lionize Logan, just because he knew what he was doing business-wise (most of the time). But Logan was the worst most immoral character on that show and he made them the way they are. He's blaming them for his mistakes
Exactly.
@@bigoltits1880 I think the worst character was Caroline. Their mother. No matter what Logan is, a loving mother would change the game for the siblings.
The worst part of that quote is:
-That is Logan's last word to all of them
-All of them ends up dissapoint him as none of them following his legacy
-They never apologize to him or even have a chance to impress him again (Besides Connor who had a private dinner time with him + Old Guards and Kerri)
-Logan never know that Shiv is pregnant as Shiv is his favorite kid and he even supported Tom to not get divorced with her by blocking all of the divorce attorneys and he deep down knows that Kendall's "kids" aren't his. Therefore, his real grandkid is in Shiv's belly.
@@margarethmichelina5146 Never apologize to him? What the fuck, why do you want that?
I've never felt as devastated & completely drained by a character, as I felt for Kendall after this. Just absolutely shattering. His whole life was gearing towards this moment, and he nearly had it, and then it was swept completely away from him.
He should have jumped. It would have been a better ending.
@@derlich09 he may well have, we just didn't see it
Are you guys really serious? Kendall was unfairly made to obsess over this by Logan. He’s not cut out for it (that’s a good thing) he’s an addict to cope with this. I’m so stunned at how many people think Kendall should’ve taken over, and that him not getting it is a tragedy. This business is a cancer on all of them. And tbh Kendall’s skills are mediocre at best. His reaction just shows how he shouldn’t run it.
@TheSuperNats read my post again. Slowly. I didn't say anything of the things that you commented on. LOL
@@derlich09 there is a thing called subtlety
I love how quickly the dynamic in the room changes because of Roman: "Wait, what do you mean, 'Which'?"
Which is exactly why even tho this was pretty devastating for Kendall. He definitely would've screwed it up tbh
And even worse, Kendall denied the story of him killing someone (on accident) which just making it worse.
Kendall did not kill anyone on accident. He thought he did, he blamed himself, but he did not.
@@margarethmichelina5146He never killed someone in accident in the first place its the boy who made a sudden move to the car so it's not even Kendall fault
Kendall season 3: F the patriarchy!
Kendall finale: I'm the eldest boy!
Among the ROY-ALS the ELDEST BOY inherits of power and girls are pushed aside.
He's not even the eldest boy
Kendall Season 1: A Broken Man
Kendall Season 2: Blaming his dad for the cruise scandal
Kendall Season 3: Broken but still gets support from his siblings and seemingly killing his daughter's rabbit with bagel but rabbit is a herbivore (we have no idea about what happen to the rabbit afterwards but I think it dies)
Kendall Season 4: Being completely broken altogether
Lmao it’s so true
Kendall season 2: "NRPI? That's disgusting! I'm gonna take down my father for this dehumanising admission!"
Kendall season 4: "ehh don't worry about the dead kid, NRPI right?"
Meanwhile, the other employees who saw all of that;
Thank God, none of them are the CEO!
Meanwhile human furniture from ATN:
For God sake why, He was already going to jail twice!
@@quietek1074Who would anyone choose to be the CEO if the candidate look like this:
1. The son of the CEO who is a drug addict, can't take criticism, insecure and childish.
2. The other son of the CEO who is a pervert, making sex jokes, making weird noise and likes to jerk off and even hit on the only female senior executive.
3. The daughter of the CEO who just enters the company, never working, talk too much, and rude.
4. The grand nephew of the CEO who is socially awkard but tall and join the company because of nepotism. But, he's actually a backstabber and likes to play both sides for his own advantage.
5. The manager of the cruise and park and then later the news entertainment who works at the company for so long and even married the daughter of CEO.
Season 3 ended with the 3 siblings coming together. This season ended with their relationship falling apart
To be fair roman and shiv are still cool with eachother. Kendal will probably hate them forever
@@retrobat153 until he realizes that it was for the best that he didn't win for his own mental health he should grow out of wanting that position to heal
@@micow9951 That's what a healthy and normal person would do but kendal is neither. I dont think hell off himself but he will live a boring life doing absolutely nothing of improtance
He could OD too but IDK if I could see him doing that
life goes on man, its a TV Show, who knows?
@@retrobat153
@@micow9951i mean the decesion could've been delivered in a better way by shiv
And the reason for her making that decesion wasn't because she gave two fucks about her brother or his mental health
It was becaus shes a jealous petty bitch that couldn't stand her brithers winning
I love Roman's delivery of "you have no kids" - what a messed up scene.
Shiv definitely lived up to her name in this episode.
Shiv the Shiv lol
hopefully she dies if they ever make a sequel bitch is worse than skylar
For anyone didn't know, Shiv is the short of Shiva, the God of Destruction on Hindunism
@@margarethmichelina5146 Shiv is short for her characters full name which is irish in origin
@@margarethmichelina5146Shiv is short for Siobhan. A shiv is a concealed blade used for stealth killing.
Rome summarising the whole show and family in his monologue at the end.
Roman and Connor are the only siblings who are self aware in the end except Connor has been surviving alone with no love for a long time while Roman just got the face of reality for the last 2 seasons. Also, what happened with him and Tabitha? Did they break up? He's never mentioning her again in Season 3 as he's single and even he keeps flirting with Gerri. We never see her again after Logan 50th's anniversary of the company.
@@margarethmichelina5146Thats my biggest problem with the show. Too much happens off screen that never gets explained.
I love that Roman protects his sister. “She’s pregnant you POS!”
It’s a sweet sibling moment of humanity for him
I missed that thank you
After he said his nephew and niece are a couple of randos lol
Right after he told his brother that your kids arent real and not part of their bloodline ❤. Not to mention also silently support watching all his brothers dreams and ambitions go down the drain due to someone's insecurity
@@Nopanophe was neutral until Kendall lied about the guy he killed and tried to make it forget just to push his own ego for the CEO position over the destroyed bond moment they had , Kendall deserved his ending, not serious people
@@XTheLolX301 he wasnt neutral , he was jus looking for an excuse to stab his brother like the 🐍 he is. Kendall deserved to be ceo , he was as serious as anyone on the show
1:26 Shiv looks so much like Logan here
Holy shit good eye, that expression is so good
She's the one that's more like Logan
The eyebrows!
@@rodolfomezaalvarado8004 no way, she's fooled by so many people on the show.
Not quite sure how she did that. Incredible acting.
I like how Logan won't make him CEO because he isn't a killer but Shiv doesn't vote for him to be CEO because he is a killer 😅🔫
And ironically in every Season finale, Kendall always kills:
Season One: Accidentally killing someone
Season Two: Killing Logan's trust and reputation from cruise scandal
Season Three: Killing his old persona from being a frat boy who liked to party and being a broken man only later got support from his siblings and they killed their chance to stop the Gojo Deal
Season Four: Kendall and his siblings killing their own reputations on this board meeting after learning all of them are not exactly being trusted.
In a way, had Kendall not desperately denied he was a killer, he might have pulled it off? Lying to deny it was the final straw (especially for Roman)…it actually reinforces what Logan said? Kendall isn’t a killer, and it’s what finally, ultimately lost it for him.
For Kendall, it was always a coronation. Something he was supposed to have, not anything he ever really wanted. When something is expecated for so long, you believe it's what you want. That's the problem with legacy when parents die.
In the end of the day, the siblings are clueless on real world. They don't know how to grow up, they don't know how to take responsibility, the way they want CEO position is like kids wanting their toys. Logan also was wrong to promise the CEO position to them one by one, because of this, they become arrogant and fight each other just because "Daddy told me!"
They thought, they're gonna fight Logan, Mattson or Tom but the real enemies are themselves. They can't trust each other, they can't coorporate and they are indeed still the kids outside their dad's office. They treat the company like their playground but they are oblivious because they are too spoiled. The scene of them arguing in a room with transparent glass showed their immaturity and in other people's POV, they see that Logan Roy was indeed a bad father because he has 3 children who know nothing about the company let alone being mature. And the fact Kendall has an audicity to go back to Board Meeting room and want to adjurn the meeting is totally show how childish he is. He's the oldest of them all but he is also the most childish of them all.
This whole scene just breaks my heart
Roman's little "you have no kids" is hilarious
I only saw the first season, but was that true?
@@busterandrews his two kids were revealed in the finale to be illegitimate
@@busterandrews Think about it, Sophie doesn't look like Kendall or Rava even her skin is browner compared to Rava who is half Indian. If you look closely, Iverson doesn't look like both of them either. So, either Kendall adopted those 2 or probably either Kendall or Rava used baby tube program for Iverson or both of them having a sperm donor to have a kid. Either way, none of the kids look like Kendall and Rava.
Also, Shiv's future kid will used Wambsgans on its last name unless Shiv and Tom want to have Wambsgans-Roy for the kid's last name. So, the only thing they can continue the bloodline of Roys is either Connor and Willa want to have baby soon or Roman is getting married but dude can't even have sex to his exes because of him feeling awkward to be touched by women.
Even in this scene I hate Roman the most.
@@lessthanthreemetalwhen was it revealed? Besides Roman’s speculation was there ever confirmation that Kendall wasn’t the father?
I was mind blowing when Roman starts to make a lot of common sense
I also thinking maybe he used 200 IQ move by mocking Kendall's kids not his to let Shiv escape and also show everyone how Kendall is completely unhinged by making Kendall attacking him. Also, after getting his stitches bleeding back at Logan's office, Roman also look down and uncomfortable because his big bro who used to protect him become a monster just like his dad was. Also, he said "No" on the vote for a long time. He's also following Kendall who follows Shiv to different room not to bully Shiv but instead to stop him to attack Shiv who is pregnant. Usually, Roman is always Kendall's Yes man but on this situation, he fights back and stand up to himself. Also, Roman never interested to be CEO anyway, he just wants his dad's approval.
You know when Roman is calling you a POS (and isn’t joking) you’ve really screwed up 😂
An incredible powerful ending indeed. It makes perfect sense that Shiv doesn't want to vote for him but at the same time its impossible not to feel bad for Kendall.
you know he still ends up with billions of dollars right? it is very much possible not to feel bad for him
@@laimejannister5627It's not about the wealth or status, it's about the ambition and power. For them, being CEO means they win, they get the crown and have power above of everyone.
@@margarethmichelina5146 exactly, you said "for them...being CEO...", meaning that they themselves would feel bad for themselves but it bears no relevance to whether I/anyone else would feel bad for them
@@laimejannister5627 exactly 😂. I busted out laughing when she brought up the guy he said he watched drown. And Ken just dug himself into a hole.
One of the most uncomfortable scenes ever
One thing I've never seen mentioned is that the whole boardroom can hear him lying about the waiter he killed.
Hi did not kill him!!!! He was not driving..
Also, noticed how the entire time, Kendall is the only one who's screaming while Roman and Shiv are talking with their lower voice because most of the time Kendall can't read the room and environment. And later, Kendall has audicity to come back to Board Meeting Room and asked the Board Meeting members to adjourn the meeting even though they saw him yelling at his younger siblings, having a childish meltdown, squeezing Roman's skull, trying to attack Shiv who's pregnant. It's also ironic how the entire season 4 is about them talking about the Board Meeting and want to stop the Gojo Deal so badly and all of them blew it up on this scene.
They also forget about their planning to buy the Pierce, release The Hundred and Living Plus.
-PGN is still working but they're still doing the old ways as Waystar has gone modern with Gojo on their streaming service and PGN is gonna dying soon also as far as I remember, Nan Pierce doesn't have children and her husband already died, she only has her relatives and nobody can continue PGN legacy on the family.
-The Hundred is Roman's idea but also Kendall wants to help him to organize it but since all of the siblings don't want to talk no more (unless Connor want to reunite them if he wants to), the plan is abandoned and Roman can't do it without Kendall as Roman is mostly dependant to Kendall or someone else
-Living Plus project is eventually never happened because Kendall is not in the company anymore. Also, Mattson who is controlling Waystar right now never agree of that plan and will erase it altogether and it never happenes.
Long story short: Logan Roy's legacy died.
@@mariakrauszowska3786 Kendall was driving. The waiter pulled on the wheel because Kendall was not paying attention to the road and would have hit a deer.
@@annkey4091 so? It was a big car, the idiot waiter wouldn't have died if they just rammed the deer
@@Rinzler555 You don't know that and neither did he. Kendall was too high to even notice that the deer was in the road.
The first time I saw this I didn't notice how much of a Logan facial expression Shiv makes at 1:30.
Yesss I thought this too. Amazing acting
Obviously I think all three of them deserve Emmys , but if I have to pick one , hard as it is , for this season it's definitely Kieran
Kieran, Sarah, Matthew, and J. Smith all deserve the acting wins this year.
Kieran and Sarah both ended up winning Emmy’s this year, Jeremy won in 2020
I'm gonna miss these characters. Talk about a series going out on top.
Try did it the right way.
0:40 was the final nail in the coffin for Ken
2:28 the thing i find disturbing is that we can see Roman smile when Kendall attacks him and then he does not even raise his arms or defends himself. And then his comment "you have no kids". Roman clearly enjoys this.
Good catch. This story is so overtly and subtly tragic
I know I'm late here, but Roman does not enjoy any of this. His smile his how he's learned to cope with conflict. This entire scene is great because you witness each character's worse traits as a result of their upbringing. Roman was physically abused by Logan, the way he learned how to cope was not to fight back and to seem non-threatening. This is why he's always joking or saying fucked up shit. If he's always saying something weird, and maybe gets daddy to laugh, then maybe daddy Logan won't hit him today. He's not going to fight Kendall, because he's never stood up when faced with actual conflict, especially a physical confrontation. But we do notice how he immediately jumps to Shiv's defense when Kendall goes for her.
What if Roman used 200 IQ move to make Kendall attacks him so the people on outside of the office can see who Kendall really is? Because look at the room, it's on transparent glass and people can see what happened. Also, Kendall constantly yelling to his siblings as Kendall doesn't always look at his environment. So, people see Kendall as a peculiant child who bully his younger siblings to get what he wants. Roman also looking embarrased when Kendall talks to Shiv and bragging her to change her mind. He even questioned whether or not Kendall killed the waiter.
@@BossAttackyeah he’s pinned to the wall because he’s terrified. Being abused growing up can lead to freezing up if it happens again.
Still thinking about this finale. Such a tremendous show
Even as Kendall is gouging Roman's eyes out Roman keeps saying "you have no kids" lol
It was bait to get shiv out of the room because the moment he started going all over the place with “I did didn’t kill him” Roman was like buddy you’re too unstable to run this and I don’t care enough to run this plus once he slipped up he couldn’t take that back and be like I’m perfectly fine like he always does
Or maybe Roman used his 200 IQ to tell everyone that Kendall is not good enough to be the CEO and provocated him more to attack him as Kendall was the only one who yelled and screamed on that room as Shiv and Rome looked concerned and worried. He knows his big brother doesn't always read his room every time he's mad so he makes him more violent. But, as soon as Kendall wants to attack Shiv, he finally fights back.
He’s not gouging his eyes, he’s pulling at his scalp and face so his sutures split
This scene was so powerfull, the crash between them it was really intense and the acting was superb
The real devastation in this scene is the fact that Shiv and Roman are so spiteful that they would lose the entire company their dad built just so their brother couldn’t have it. Shiv has seen how Mattson operates and she knows he’s just as much of an arrogant idiot as Ken but she just hates the fact that it’s her POS older brother who always leaves her out, just like her father did. I really don’t think Ken killing someone ever really mattered, I mean who knows what secrets Logan had. She’s just trying to justify the fact that she really just despises Ken, which all hurts even more bc we just saw them have such an amazing moment of authentic bonding the night before. The genius of this ending is that you finally realize that the show wasn’t about which kid is gonna get the company but really about how abuse and trauma can be cyclical and incredibly damaging throughout every family, even among the most wealthy.
Incredibly well put
For years I always wondered how this show would end, what the last scene would be. I always pictured something grand and poetic, like Kendall standing by Logan's deathbed or something equally predictable.
Instead the show ends exactly how it should have: a playground fight between children. I'm astonished at how fitting and perfect it is, how it elucidates that this is what the show has always been building up to.
They're just scared, stunted little children who have never had the opportunity to truly grow up.
Such a tragic story.
Mattson generated an entire company that was so large it ended up buying the company that Logan built. Kendall achieved NOTHING on his own. His ideas are bullshit. He is bullshit and he's a barely functioning addict, a walking time bomb prone to periods of mania or depression that massively impact his personal life and the business. There is definitely an element of spite and jealousy from Shiv and Roman but the fact is Kendall is an enormous liability who cannot ever be allowed to lead the company
The fact that it never supposedly bothered her up to that point shows that it never mattered. It was just her trying to put him in a position where he either loses it and she becomes a victim who can righteously stab him, or he tolerates it and he's a pushover unworthy of respect and she can also stab him. Ken could have summoned himself to create a third option, where he gives some impassioned speech about how he's going to make it right, but he always wanted the love and approval of the most Logan-like person in his family. First his father, then Shiv, and you can't test real approval/love unless you give someone the opportunity to shank you. It's just that Ken is surrounded by people who absolutely will shank him, so it doesn't work. The poor guy is pleading to his sister to not do that and she just jams the knife in then uses his rage as justification.
Ken is an addict. He was not cut out for this role. And the response he gives shiv after she said he killed someone just confirmed it. The moment he lied out of desperation both roman and shiv knew he wasn't the right choice.
Sad part is Ken predict this in the prior episode when he was talking to Hugo but as soon as he gets close to victory he lets his guard down. He forgot how petty Shiv is and rather than covet Frank or another board member he is happy with the slim majority.
Had he done so, he wouldn’t be in a position of extreme dependence we see him in with the sibs. he be the CEO and he would tell the others to F off.
Ken's problem is that it's a tremendous deal for the shareholders. I'm still surprised Stewie stuck by Ken considering how much money he'd make if they sell.
Kendall betrayed shiv first and then got consequences. He was never cut out for it. Too many people miss the point of this show. Kendall getting the job would’ve been a terrible move.
@@TheSuperNats I don't think this is as simple as that. The sibs constantly betray each other, they are incapable of working together because that is how Logan raised them. Were they able to, the show would be over in S1.
All 3 are pretty weak compared to Logan, but Ken would likley do the best among and with the right mentors (eg: Frank) he could be passable. Just look at the funeral speech: Ken >> Shiv >>>>>> Roman.
Or even at the end of season 1 with the bear hug. Had Logan not pushed him back into drugs and his self-destructive behavior he couldd have very well won right there.
@@crabbieappleton Well it be short-term profits vs long-term. Remember, Logan and Ken did not make the same deal. Logan's deal was better despite it being less money.
Logan Kept ATN whereas Ken sold it all. The problem is that ATN is arguably the only valuable asset at Waystar. The rest was liabilities and items that can barely break even. Logan carved out the meat and gave the Sweed the bones and sinew for an outrageous price of 140B and the man was too busy sending frozen blood to people to see it!
@@crimansizers5840 I think Mattson knew this. It's why he kept hesitating on the deal, hoping to prompt the Roys to sweeten it. And they did. And the theme of most of the show was that Waystar was a dinosaur, even ATN (which, like Fox News is mostly angry old white people). There's a strong possibility of NO long-term profits with an independent Waystar. Ultimately, the shareholders run the company.
This show...it's such a masterclass in everything - acting, directing, writing, score, I could go on and on.
Interestingly Shiv is the Indian God of destruction and change. Fits perfectly with the narrative
Hey name is Siobhan
It's so wonderful how smoothly and invisibly the show just shifts who we root for, who with sympathise with. I got on Team Kendall with the "meal fit for a king" scene, but the second he denied the murder, also destroying that one moment of honesty in the dirt that bounded him and the sibs, he lost me again.
What convinced Shiv that shouldn't have been Kendall is precisely this moment the moment of true when Kendall can lose all he begs like a child begging his parent for an expensive toy that is not a CEO who can lead a company, if Kendall would explain why Tom and Matsson were the worst option than him maybe Shiv have accepted him but at the moment he starts begging he just killed himself you can see in her eyes she is struggling at the beginning almost certain shouldn't be Kendall but still struggling at the moment he starts begging she is not struggling anymore
No I'm pretty sure it's just cuz they all hate and distrust each other. Business acumen was not leading these decisions, spite was.
No Shiv is juts dumb lol
Shiv is just petty as always. Whenever she doesn't like someone to be the leader, she's always gaslighting but she lost the arguments anyway. Like how she didn't agree to have Kendall as temporary CEO in Season One, Rhea being the next CEO candidate in Season Two, Mecken being the next president in Season Three, and finally Kendall again being the next CEO. She's always double cross her family by siding with someone else which is totally dumb. That's why Mattson decided to betray her after see how dumb she is and choose Tom as the CEO. Also, Shiv is pregnant and her mind is totally unstable due to pregnancy, so it just worse.
Shiv has never made good decision in entire show and Roman was never strong enough to have clear opinion or take risk. If they would stick to the plan they would have it all.
First she was betraying them way before with Mattson ,when he promised to make her CEO. She never sided with them it was a ruse.
Again, Shiv could have stopped their plans before getting to this point. But maybe Tom's honesty finally got to her, or this was revenge for Kendall playing Nirvana during her speech.
It also mirrors Kendall ultimately siding with Mencken in earlier episodes. Though Kendall never said he was going to choose Mencken, so that's on Shiv.
Also, both of Roman and Kendall always leave Shiv behind as they always see as "annoying little girl". Even in opening scene since Season 2, when the Roy Kids have family photo, in one second, Shiv is left alone without her brothers. Shiv is always being outcast because she's the only girl on the family even worst, her parents neglect her. A workaholic father and a mother who doesn't even know how to be a mother. You can see that Caroline must hate Shiv the most throughout the shows even suggested Shiv to not have kids. What kind of mother asking everyone if her daughter's marriage work it on the day before her wedding? If she cares to Shiv, she wouldn't do that.
This finale was devastating
this scene man!! I wish I could see the season finale again! I was feeling all sort of feelings in this scene chefs kiss
At no point Kendall argued that he has experience on working for the company for many years. “I’m the oldest boy” was his best argument.
I knew he wasn’t fit for the job during the last episode of the first season, in which instead of focusing on the company’s buyout, he was desperately looking for cocaine. I thought: “There’s no way this insecure, weak junk can be the CEO of a major company like that.”
Everyone else was just as unfit for the job as Kendall.
Even worse, he yells at his siblings on the office full of glass and also in other people's POV, they see Kendall is yelling like a child for no reason to his younger siblings while Shiv and Roman are terrified. And then, Kendall attacks Roman and try to attack Shiv and the people realizes that Kendall is unhinged and unstable and there's no way he can be the CEO.
honestly, this is the better ending, best case escenario if kendall was ceo, he would last a year at best.
tom deserve this, at the very least, he is always working. he is the perfect guy for mattson, a working puppet
Not just a year, probably a month or even in a week, he's already failed. Kendall mostly can't take criticism from the others and he mostly a misognistic as he mostly treat women very bad and he also will "rap" and won't let anyone speak. Also, he's a drug addict, someone might catch him doing drugs and he will be arrested for drug possessions and will get his CEO position permanently gone. Kendall is always shooting himself in the foot as he has no idea where to begin with.
I personally never thought it was going to be Kendall. Word was going to come out about what happened with the waiter at some point. Whether he killed him or not, he was going to have to resign once that did come out. It truly sucks what happened to Kendall as a character throughout the series. But once he drove that car into the water, under no circumstance did I think Kendall was ever going to come out on top.
Kendall was not driving the car, waiter did.
@@mariakrauszowska3786 Uh, Kendall was most certainly driving the car. Watch the scene again.
@@mariakrauszowska3786Kendall was driving the car as the waiter was high on weed. But, Kendall, who hasn't drive for a long time and he mostly got carried by the driver is not very used to manual car as he mostly doing automatically. Roman also can drive actually as he's picking up Kendall who was high on Family Therapy episode as Kendall avoided the Family Therapy to Connor's Ranch.
1:55 Kendall losing it so much he's spitting mad
One is a buy in, the other is half Rava, half file cabinet guy!!
Anyone who thinks Shiv was trying to 'save' Kendall in any way, or was doing it purely for her own gain:
You have missed the point. Her "hehehe you don't get to be CEO" expression at 0:03? The fact that she flounders with the waiter's death (which she clearly cares nothing for) which has nothing to do with how Ken would be as a CEO? Please, come on.
Ken shot himself in the foot right at the finish line, putting his feet on the desk and acting so smug in the board meeting. It was that bit too much for her jealousy and resentment.
Literally just binged the entire series and man oh man this was wild,I’m pretty sure they won’t even ever speak to one another or be at shivs baby shower or holiday get togethers.
They will. Because money talks.
@@Jeremy-wp4yhall 3 of them are 5 billion dollars more richer. There is no more money they could offer each other to talk
@@bevercage6673 and yet they still wanted that position. The point is no money is ever enough. And they all wanted that position of power. But hypothetically, I see shiv and Roman getting back together. Kendall might either go off the deep end or maybe he gets his silver lining by reuniting with his family.
@@Jeremy-wp4yh roman and shiv getting together is very probable but i dont see kendall ever getting back. Kendall didnt really want money. He wanted power. His desire of power is higher than his desire for ANYTHING. While that is true to some extent for Shiv and roman. I think roman doesnt want that power all that much. He lost but lost satisfyingly. Shiv still retains a bit of power she longingly wants as she knew she would never be relevant to Kendal so she went with Tom. Kendal truly lost. Thats what i meant that no amount of money can talk infront of their lust for power.
@@bevercage6673 I've noticed the comments were saying that Shiv was being spiteful or any other reason for her not choosing Kendall. But I disagree. You can clearly see the moment of realization when she confronts him about the murder and in his desperation he lied. Both shiv and Roman realized that he would never be a good CEO. the addictive personality and hunger for power made him desperate and irresponsible. The scene is very powerful. I also liked how Roman's first instinct is to protect shivs baby when Kendall attacks him
1:46 god this line is so good.
Devastating scene . Brilliant brilliant show and acting 📺🎬
Never seen a show where I loved, hated, and wanted all the main characters to die horribly.
The best description so far
This was the best thing for Kendall
Ken was a character that I was strangely pulling for and I hoped he could get it all together… I thought from the start of season 2 that he was going to emotionally mature. Slowly but surely. But nope! He always has to stumble at the finish line.
acting masterclass by Jeremy Strong from 0:40 until 2:30
The way Kendall squeezes romes head kills me every time 😂
The way roman says “what the fuuck” 😂😂
@@bluepandasquadfr lol it cracked me up.
@@bluepandasquadthe "wtf?" delivery is pure comedy. I just noticed it was Shiv who said that but still hilarious af.
I always wondered how two siblings, Logan and Ewan, didn't get along. I know here the dynamics are different and the circumstances but sometimes blood isn't thicker than water and relationships can easily be torn. I wouldn't be surprised if Kendall never spoke to Shiv again.
I can literally hear Shiv saying, many decades from now, to one of Kendall's potential grandchildren (much like Logan to Greg in the pilot): "I would do anything for my brother. All he has to do is ask."
And Kendall, in his mania could very well say "There's an argument to be made that she's worse than Hitler."
Me too for me Roman and Shiv will still be talking because we need to be fair they can dislike each other but they will never abandon each other but Kendall and Shiv won’t definitely talk again
No wonder Logan couldn't settle on one of these to succeed him.
I mean shiv was fine tbh
@@niraxlevi9930 No she wasn't. She was a lot dumber than she thought and acted on an impulse. I mean you would think she would've had it in season 2 when Logan offered it to her but she ruined it all just because Logan didn't wanna tell the Pierce family that she was gonna be CEO when it was her who wanted to keep it on the low in the first place. She acted out saying "for f*** sake, dad, just tell them it's gonna be me." Like that was the most important thing at the moment, not landing the Pierce deal or probably not breaking it to the entire family at the dinner with the Pierces. And the letter that she wrote about Kendall in S3 was pure rage. She was emotional and did not have control. She also had no experience whatsoever, and you would think she would be fit with a bit of training but she also thought "a 3 year timeline" was too long of training when she never even worked at the company. So yeah I've never seen a person who thinks they're smarter than they really are like Shiv.
@@niraxlevi9930shiv was inexperienced and would really overstep, thinking she was smarter than she was. None of them were fine and that's the ultimate point
In the end of the day, Shiv is mostly being used by the men around her:
-Logan used her to make sure that she won't going anywhere around him as she's his only daughter and one of his successors but she's always talk back to him
-Gil used her to destroy Logan and ATN's reputation but she quits
-Tom used her to increase his status and even he admitted to Greg that he was interested on her purse instead of her at first but she's always treating him like a lapdog
-Mattson used her to tear her brothers apart after their interractions on Norway only to realize how dumb she is as she begged like a child to make her CEO and then he dumped her.
So, long story short, Shiv is a clueless spoiled rich girl who is being used by everyone just because she's the CEO's daughter. But then after her father died, she becomes nothing.
Funny how roman makes no attempt to defend himself but grabs him when he goes for Shiv
But when they start grappling shiv just leaves roman with Ken on top and doesn't even try to help him. I like how the between the lines stuff like that really gives us so much info about their dynamic
@@josephnissenson3252She tried to help Roman by poking Kendall and yelling "Stop! Stop!" But, Kendall has no response and she wanted to escape from the chaos until Kendall wants to grab her and Roman grabbed him so she can leave
@@josephnissenson3252shiv is pregnant lol
Shiv argues that Kendall can’t be CEO because he killed someone. What did Kendall mean when he asked her “which”? I thought he only killed one person.
Throughout the show they use the term “kill” to fire or cut terms with financially/business wise.
I think he was just panicking when he heard that. He said “which” as an instinct as if to say “uhh uhh which person did I kill? I didn’t kill anyone”
He was just mumbling thinking of something to say because of the shock of Shiv bringing it up
Kendall would make a terrible CEO lmao
He would be just like his father that way.
Also, he mostly can't take criticism and will lash out like a child. He also can be sexist in some cases like how he's always leaving Shiv alone, abandoning Rava, kicking out Karolina from the car, yelling at the female lawyer on Season 3, tresting Jess like his servant most of the time and etc. Also, he's a drug addict and worst case scenario, he might die by overdosed soon while being in CEO.
The way I cried when I first saw this scene 😭
Kendall turning into a begging, salivating child after watching him at his most private (hiding in server rooms and temper tantrums in bathrooms) broke me. Kendall's best case scenario was getting the job "that clearly kills you."
Imagine ‘losing’ and still walking away with $2 billion, more money than almost everybody will ever see.
Edit - It's actually $2.4 billion, because the .4 is an awful lot in itself.
It's not about the money at a certain point
"We're nothing, I'm tellig you because I know this"
It's funny that both Roman and Shiv felt betrayed and angry at Kendall because he lied to them about killing the waiter. You could think that maybe they would feel relieved that their brother didn't kill someone, but no their ego is way more important than him not committing a crime.
One could only feel relieved Kendall didn't kill anyone if he denied some crazy rumor that some random guy started just to destroy Kendall's image. Instead, he denies the rumor (he "started" after having a mental breakdown and trying to kill himself) in a moment of pure desperation to get Shiv to vote for him. If anything, this moment only displayes weakness on his part
@@dimitriemirea6084 Oh, I agree Ken's move is pure weakness, and makes him a more piece of shit for not only killing (indirectly) the waiter but denying it to convince her sister to vote for him. But still, as a brother i would feel relieved if my brother said to me that he didn't kill someone. Then I would be upset for him lying to me but only after not before.
Tbf i'm not sure if they were pissed bc they believed that he lied the first time, or bc they realise THIS is the obvious pathetic lie and they're pissed he even tried it
@@peterumathum4903 That's a good point. And I could see why they would be pissed at him. It would just go to show that Ken had already lost any type of decency by killing the waiter and then lying about it to get himself in power. Total dipshit.
Also, remember, that Roman and Shiv are not fully supporting Kendall 100% to be the next CEO, they were just like, "Uh, fuck it. Let's make him the CEO because he wants it so bad since he was 7." Just like how Willa said "Fuck It." To marry Connor in Season 3. And then, they've changed their minds as soon as Kendall sitting on Logan's chair and rethinking their decision. Shiv changed her mind when Kendall put his foot on the desk while Roman changed his mind after Kendall pushed his stich wound to bleed. Also, Shiv is on dilemma either she wants Tom, her husband whom she hates the most becomes the CEO or her arrogant idiot older brother to be the CEO. Kendall is also trusting them too much and he's always forgetting his sibling's attitude who will fight back and be petty.
What's crazy about this whole feud, it's that even if the company was sold away, they were getting billions, each one of them. Ken was a loser; he knew he could never create a company from scratch and make it successful. Thats why he needed it so badly, not to feel like a loser and as he deserved it, the whole meritocracy stuff rich people love to boast about.
IT'S SHAKESPEARE BABY
People say shiv and roman are pure evil...and roman is many times really evil..but kendall .. when he doesn't get what he wants he can really kill even his siblings in reality..see how he's hurting roman he's pure killer a real killer and a child and unstable..he should've really gotten therapy before wanting to become the ceo
At first I was like shiv why ? But seeing his reaction I was like shiv YESSS
I remembered that he is my least favorite sibling they're all assholes but there's something fundamental I don't like about Kendal that "meal fit for a king " scene almost made me forget that I really don't want him to win although I wouldn't really call becoming CEO a win who'd want that much stress and toxicity when you can just have money and retirement
I miss this show already Kendall was so lost so damaged
I watch this scene over and over. Such a great finale. ❤ I was team Tom, so I got my wish😄
Thinking that anyone "won" is missing the point entirely. Tom also loses in the end by becoming a puppet CEO, staying with a wife who doesn't love him and losing Greg to the soon to be implemented downsizing plan. All the main characters in this show live the tragic consequence of a life of worshiping optics, which is sadly to be continued forward through Siobhan's unwanted pregnancy. The sincere words spoken in this scene by Roman "We are bullshit" resemble those of his father in season 3 "You're not real people". The worship of optics leaves all the main characters, hollow.
Approaching the ending of this show like the finale of Game of Thrones is truly mistaken beyond belief.
Picking teams is cringe
Tom is a pussy rat I hated him spineless yes man
@@cdrthirewell said
The only person who truly wins in any sense is Roman. He gained the self-awareness that the other siblings lacked. By recognizing how BS everything was, he finally has a chance to let go and be a better person and live a good life. It’s a slim possibility, of course, but it now exists for him.
That feeling watching this the first time.. **shudder**
1:41 me with lactose
In a way this was a good ending for Kendall because this is his ultimate rock bottom. Estranged from his whole family, the family he created but then lost, and the family he was born into. No job. However he’s still a billionaire several times over. Him taking over would never have made him look at reality and who he has become. With the burden and anxiety of taking over the company behind him, he can start to try and heal if he’s truly willing to take an unflinching look at himself.
Kendall needs to grow the hell up
They all did
The Roy Siblings are the definition of "You need to go outside and touch some grass"
The reason Kendall didn’t tell Shiv back in season 2 about the kid is because for this exact reason. He knew she might use it as leverage somewhere down the line. And he was right that is exactly what just happened her. Now I think Kendall probably would have brought the company downhill, but still she used him accidentally killing a kid against him. The sibling relationship is completely broken at this point which is sad because at the season 3 you thought it might last. Their hatred for their father was what was keeping them united.
So, Tom was correct when he told Shiv on election night that she hated her father.
What makes me hate Shiv more is that she really doesn’t do anything to stop Kendall from hurting Roman, and just decides to walk away. Just another indication of how their childhoods played out with Roman taking most of the physical abuse from Logan while Shiv never had to deal with it and looked out for herself
What is a pregnant woman to do in physical altercation between two men???
If you look closely, as soon as Kendall attacking Roman, she tried to stop him by constantly poking him and said; "STOP! STOP!" But since Kendall is getting unhinged, she tried to escape as it will be risky for her while pregnant to fight him back until Kendall tried to grab her and Roman protects her by grabbing Kendall.
El padre hizo el trabajo perfecto con sus hijos jamas los hizo unidos y siempre los mantuvo en competencia por eso ni muerto Logan ellos pueden unirse y no son capaces de ceder el máximo puesto por el bien común, por un momento de sintió tan bien que Kendall casi lo logrará porque definitivamente para mi es el más competente siempre y cuando esté enfocado.
Agreed! Logan caused this by the way he raised them to always compete!
I would LOVE to see this go down at work. Sometimes you need a little Executive fighting to spice up the day 😂
Seeing people defend Kendall after how he treated Roman and grabbing his pregnant sister like that is NUTS!
IT DOESN'T EVEN MAKE ANY SENSE!!! 😂😂
Lol
I want Kendall to be ok I wonder what he would end up doing after he left the company 🥺
Maybe he'll actually see his kids 😂
He could kill himself as he has no purpose on his life anymore and he is completely alone. He might try to contact any of his siblings but none of them will pick up anymore. He might try to call Rava to ask about his "kids" but since he lashed out to her last time, she won't care anymore. Stewie also will stay with The Furnesses and won't contact him anymore. Collin is just his bodyguard, not his friend.
And I thought Roman was a savage...
2:07 and it goes DOWN
This scene is a higher resolution of their feedback loop for destruction. Aka Kendall v 2.0
This episode was definitely something.... i hate it but i love it
One of the most frustrating parts about this is that he never fully came clean on how/what exactly happened to him with that kid in the car. He didn't actually kill someone, i mean, he wasn't exactly lucid at the time but it was a very unfortunate mistake (yes, albeit caused by negligence and stupidity). That said, if at any point in time (including here) the story was clearer, I don't think they would have viewed it to be as big of an issue and definitely not as a "you killed someone" issue. To make matters worse his bullshit here about the story made it way worse...
If they had done this 30 years earlier they’d have the company still
THIS is a finale!
Logan was right. They are not seriuos people.
I was desperate to see them function as happy siblings who genuinely love each other. Of course, at the beginning of the season, it seems that this is the case; they're turning a new page, but nope, there's simply no way that Shiv could be happy for someone else, even her own brother and her selfish desires superseded everything else.
00:01 that smirk, envious little brat
I don’t think Shiv was envious; she simply realised Kendall shouldn’t be CEO.
Yes, which later has been proven by her bringing up a family secret to win a business argument. That shows, she's just don't want to vote for him and she is not even sure why, but she had made up her mind.
@andraspalatinus145 nah she knows he's bad 👎
@@niraxlevi9930nah she knows Tom will be eating out of her hand again inside a year and that if she votes her brothers out she’ll never have to deal with them again as she continues trying to ascend to her fathers position. She won, just not yet. She’s now the only one who will have a chance after this, of the three of them and she knows it.
Was there ANY proper response to "you killed someone"? True, Kendall's response was the worst possible reaction, but I'm not sure anything would've changed Shiv's mind. The best move would've been to keep Shiv out of the loop until the last possible moment, THEN reveal Tom's the pick instead of her. Her vote needs to be a reaction, not a plan
Damn, you would make a great CEO
They should do a movie that's set 5 years later with Kendall in Alpha Chad mode trying to take the company back
It did happen. Not. It did not.
Insane secondhand embarrassment knowing the whole board could hear him
Shiv = judas
This is filmed like trailer park boys
“This is so heartbreaking” he’s a billionaire
Money doesn’t fix emotional trauma. His father gave him money from his business through shares but that doesn’t mean Ken isn’t broken or doesn’t have a lot of emotional trauma.
@@sullivandmitry1416 so much money for therapy. Go finish that rehab he never got to do.
@@TylonMonger you’re a fucking idiot. He’s a billionaire yes, but he also is divorced, has a strained relationship ship with his druggie girlfriend, barely has a relationship with his kids, and now has no relationship with his siblings. He has spent every ounce of his life trying to live up to an image placed in his head by his father when he was 7 years old and just a few days after his fathers funeral, he loses it all because his sister decides she’s not really on his side. His brother just called his kids not his and every other person in his life is either there because they want a piece of the empire or were close to his dad. His entire life has been dictated by his father, revolved around this business and his father, and he’s so trapped in the loop of his abused childhood and his lack of self worth that the only goal to obtain to be worthy of anything was ripped from him by his jealous and backstabbing sister. It’s heartbreaking because he only ever had one thing, and only ever wanted the love and respect of his father, and now he has neither and is alone.
No amount of money or hollow therapy sessions is going to just “bam” fix that shit.
Sure, but if you are raised as a billionaire your whole life, money feels almost meaningless. It was always the power for them.
Woosh
I felt bad for Connor...he gets screwed the most
Loved the ending just didn’t care for how they got there, like oh Shiv fucks over Ken at the last second, what a shocker…
I mean, it was built up throughout the season. Wasn’t a last minute decision, the warning signs were there for awhile.
@@Harry_S._Plinkett I agree. When Shiv first came into the office at Logan's invitation (Season 1), Kendall asked her why was she there. I thought that was strange question considering she was in her father's office.
I felt really really bad for kendell in this scene 😕
Roman saying we're bullshit is interesting, like he may be the only one out of three who knows it through the entire show.
Therefore never really stepping into power since it wouldnt make enough sense.
Phoney news. He's right there.
TE AMO KENNYYYY
Worst pitch ever