I sent this to Harley just the other day: "Your decision to align with the 'woke' movement will severely damage your company. It's baffling that a corporation as large as Harley-Davidson could make such a misguided choice. Just as Budweiser will face long-lasting repercussions for its poor decisions, so will you. Your loyal customer base is left puzzled, struggling to comprehend this level of misjudgment and why you chose to undermine your own business. Perhaps that was your intention all along. If so, congratulations-you've succeeded. I, too, will be boycotting Harley-Davidson and will no longer purchase motorcycles, parts, apparel, or engage with your brand in any way."
Consider that EVERY corporation is going WOKE. But also consider that it does not affect us in any way. If you boycott the company, who do you think it will hurt? It will hurt the employees that are trying to make a living. The share holders are mostly giant corporations that have trillions invested in hundreds of companys and if Harley dies, they will just move on and not look back. You can't do anything about it and it does not affect you, so to everyone, I say get over it.
@@bdtodd50todd38 Or not... IMO 'putting up' with something that bothers you is exactly how the world got this way... according to your reply, one should never stop supporting corporations simply because they have employees? (And judging by this thread, apparently it DOES affect folks.) We just think differently. Cheers!
I agree with you the corporate brass needs to understand that we are the backbone of Harley Davidson and should not us for granted, they need new leader ship👍🏻
I agree My 25 year old Harleys are just fine. Nothings changed.... I'm a Buell Owner too. I survived the rug pulled out from me by a Harley CEO before. The bike survives.. Keep riding ... CEOs are like weather, it will change...
I've owned and ridden Harleys for most of my life. But ever since I rode an Xb12 I fell in love with Buell. So I'm going with the Super Cruiser route instead of the Lowrider ST I loved. It's the same price and 3x as capable for the riding I enjoy. Plus the CEO of Buell is a rider and the company is 100% about bikes, not politics.
I picked up a 24 Roadglide, and I love how it rides. Did my 1k service a few weeks ago, and now I'll do my own oil changes. I traded my 19 RGS that was fun, but just didn't love riding as much as I do with this one or my older Roadking. I agree that the used market will pick up from the older group of riders, and I'm all about it. Once life/finances allow I'll add a Twincam 103 Roadking/deluxe or heritage.
Consider that EVERY corporation is going WOKE. But also consider that it does not affect us in any way. If you boycott the company, who do you think it will hurt? It will hurt the employees that are trying to make a living. The share holders are mostly giant corporations that have trillions invested in hundreds of companys and if Harley dies, they will just move on and not look back. You can't do anything about it and it does not affect you, so to everyone, I say get over it.
@@bdtodd50todd38 Public outcry quickly changed Budweisers Wokeness, and it worked for Tractor Supply. You have to know your clientele and obviously the Harley board and CEO don’t care, or don’t know. Push back is needed, we can’t be sheeple…
Reality is; anyone that knows anything about motorcycle engineering and build quality doesn't own a Harley. Thats a big problem that ultimately shows itself in sales .
I have 3 used Harleys I work on my own bikes I recently closed my bike shop . I'm 66 time to play anyways there are some great deals in used bikes having someone independent of dealers that know what they are doing can hook up a used bike and make it better than new . Look what ever model you buy new the next year it's used and car , bike, boat etc if you ride drive for the sake of the brand then you missed out on the true experience. ✌️
I went to the dealership today I had to make a appointment for service because I bought the service plan and they had quite a few people there and they were all walking around drinking coffee and not buying stuff or bikes and you are right buy used and not new bikes I seen a piece they have a plant in India and now they are building a plant in Japan and laying off the people in the Pa plant
They claimed those plants were to make bikes for sale in their respective countries with EPA emissions accordingly. Is there a way to track whether future bikes become imported from those plants to sell here in the USA?
Gunny here! I suggest that y'all start smaller. Stop buying their merch that y'all have been adorning yourselves in for decades. Hell, they don't even put the name on their logo anymore anyway. The MERCH, financing and aftermarket is where they rake it in. The CEO has no idea about the American concept of motorcycling and independence, so y'all are going to have to get used to the idea that your Harley Davidson "freedom in the wind" Easy Rider image is gone forever. Y'all are going to have to do it by yourselves, with no company support to sustain that image. Sad, but there's no going back, and it IS a little concerning that a lot of you counted on that company image to begin with. Me? I beat the rush and dumped my ElectraGlide years ago when the whole HD thing was getting overpriced, cultish, snobbish, and stupid. I say dump all your HD jackets, boots, t-shirts, hats, patches, socks, underwear, bandanas, swag, etc etc that y'all so loyally promote the HD brand with... they don't love you back anymore. Just ride 'cause you love it, screw the image and the "culture".
I stopped a bit ago buying anything from HD. 10 HDs over 40 years+... i sold off my M8 Limited (too fancy, no soul) and went backwards to a 2007 Road King Custom with a 96 TC, 6 speed, no windshield. 16" bars, and Rhineharts. It suits me, im at 60k milrs now on it and I'll rebuild it at 200k if its needed. I have had my last dealer service, bought my last dealer shirt, or any other parts if i can get them anywhere else (and they are everywhere) i just will not support the MoCo anymore when they are teying to destroy the moral fabric of our lives with their woke junk. It does make me realize... we are not to put our faith in man...or a company... but in God alone! Ive been buying generic motorcycle wall art, shirts, etc... no more HD badge stuff until they fix their path back to the way it should be.
Harley didn’t make the culture. Harley simply provided a toll to perpetuate the biker community. Remember Harley was initially totally against the current culture however they eventually embraced it. Harley is a corporate entity that wants to separate itself from the “beast” it created and cultured!!! I’ll never buy a new one. I’ll keep buying used and OM them to to the standards of the biker culture.
What is the problem? I ride my Harley because it's fun - I enjoy it. I couldn't care less what the CEO and board believe or do; they're there to make money for the shareholders. If you boycott HD then the company will close and the CEO will just move on to another company.
Couldn't melt a HD and pour it on my property. Done with them a few years back. Sick of HD acting like they are doing me a huge favor just walking into the dealership. Overpriced bikes, forget about service for your bike. Only way to get them to stand behind warranty is with a lawyer helping you and then your bike is pushed to the very back of the shop and forgotten until you have to have the lawyer fight them again. Then they do a half assed job. Tired of the BS with such a sorry company. I went back to metric bikes and no problems at all.
Yup, closed my HD account, will not buy a new one, probably not gonna set foot on HD property anymore, and will probably ride my ole 2012 until hell freezes over...LOL!
Consider that EVERY corporation is going WOKE. But also consider that it does not affect us in any way. If you boycott the company, who do you think it will hurt? It will hurt the employees that are trying to make a living. The share holders are mostly giant corporations that have trillions invested in hundreds of companys and if Harley dies, they will just move on and not look back. You can't do anything about it and it does not affect you, so to everyone, I say get over it.
I agree fully, but the last thing you said, about them losing HD for good, is exactly what these woke WEF puppets are up to. They want to reduce the size of HD Engines and scooters, then replace them with smaller gas for now bikes n later only electric! These guys are woke, but they are pretty smart Totalitarian mobsters! I only have bought used in the past ten years, and I like fobless, non computer driven Harley's as much as possible! Remember, every time your told that an update is needed to your newer bikes, that really means we are fixing a glitch or a problem with your bikes computer! We're you can really hit them hard, is don't buy their accessories nor motor clothes! Keep up the good work on your channel!
Yes, the culture is yours, but you need to dissociate the culture from the corporation. The culture and the corporation are separate entities. The corporation does not care about you nor your sense of community; only that your sense of community funds them. A few years ago we began to hear HD tout itself as a luxury brand. That should have been your first clue they didn't care about you. Things classified as "luxury goods" are designed to milk the poor for all they have and keep them where they are.
I normally don't respond to this, We are here in Sturgis. If you go to the Indian Corporate Display, it is empty. HD area had about 100 or so when we were there. The Indian at the same time, had about 10 people. It's just a fun fact you can see on our videos
Yea not sure when all businesses is going to learn to stay the hell outta of politics it’s like anything and everything this country can somewhat come together on whether it’s hobbies to sports they have F***** it all up
Consider that EVERY corporation is going WOKE. But also consider that it does not affect us in any way. If you boycott the company, who do you think it will hurt? It will hurt the employees that are trying to make a living. The share holders are mostly giant corporations that have trillions invested in hundreds of companys and if Harley dies, they will just move on and not look back. You can't do anything about it and it does not affect you, so to everyone, I say get over it.
Sorry to hear that channels like yours snd Veteran Biker have gone down that “me-too” spiral. Just enjoy your HD and forget about that other stuff. That’s the whole point of getting out to ride.
You weren’t even there so you are just going by what a few people said. All the big companies are juggling this stuff there was also a video of the Indian area with very few people. Just maybe people are out riding and not listening to all this nonsense you you tube guys are spewing.
Thanks for being positive lest you forget they tried this wokeness at I think 100th anniversary in Milwaukee when the headliner was Elton John tried to push the fudge packer lifestyle down our throats I say middle finger to you HD next bike is a Honda more American than Harley with there Chinese wiring harness and Chinese bearing's,there is a huge warehouse across the street from Harley in Wauwatosa that used to supply the American made bearing's which know houses Pensey Spices ,HD makes sure the conexx boxes from China are gone before daybreak, check out the tags in your Harley leather made in china. Harley has been sticking it to you for years and you first noticed? Have y'all been like an Amish horse wearing blinders pretending not to see! Cause it sounds good and looks cool! Ever hear a 6 cylinder engine designed in Japan with straight pipes assembled in Marysville oh ? And hoping HD will change well good luck with that and I bet you believe in the tooth fairy too!
Sounds like it’s time to change CEO and clean the corporate office out. 😎👍
I have a pair of those mirrors too!
I had to really crank them down because of my hand guards. Other than that I have no issues with them.
I sent this to Harley just the other day:
"Your decision to align with the 'woke' movement will severely damage your company. It's baffling that a corporation as large as Harley-Davidson could make such a misguided choice. Just as Budweiser will face long-lasting repercussions for its poor decisions, so will you. Your loyal customer base is left puzzled, struggling to comprehend this level of misjudgment and why you chose to undermine your own business. Perhaps that was your intention all along. If so, congratulations-you've succeeded. I, too, will be boycotting Harley-Davidson and will no longer purchase motorcycles, parts, apparel, or engage with your brand in any way."
Consider that EVERY corporation is going WOKE. But also consider that it does not affect us in any way. If you boycott the company, who do you think it will hurt? It will hurt the employees that are trying to make a living. The share holders are mostly giant corporations that have trillions invested in hundreds of companys and if Harley dies, they will just move on and not look back. You can't do anything about it and it does not affect you, so to everyone, I say get over it.
@@bdtodd50todd38 Or not... IMO 'putting up' with something that bothers you is exactly how the world got this way... according to your reply, one should never stop supporting corporations simply because they have employees? (And judging by this thread, apparently it DOES affect folks.) We just think differently. Cheers!
@@GoingBadger-1 Thank you Badger. My sentiments exactly. Unfortunately, there are those who chose the simple ways and just give up!
Go WOKE go BROKE
I agree with you the corporate brass needs to understand that we are the backbone of Harley Davidson and should not us for granted, they need new leader ship👍🏻
I agree
My 25 year old Harleys are just fine.
Nothings changed....
I'm a Buell Owner too.
I survived the rug pulled out from me by a Harley CEO before.
The bike survives..
Keep riding ...
CEOs are like weather, it will change...
@@c.c.hiliner1065 hopefully sooner than later
I agree with you, there are thousands of used Harleys for sale. Find you one and make it your own with aftermarket parts and an independent shop.
I've owned and ridden Harleys for most of my life. But ever since I rode an Xb12 I fell in love with Buell. So I'm going with the Super Cruiser route instead of the Lowrider ST I loved. It's the same price and 3x as capable for the riding I enjoy. Plus the CEO of Buell is a rider and the company is 100% about bikes, not politics.
No politics. As it should be. I met some of the Buell guys in Daytona and they were great.
I just hate that the local dealerships are suffering because of idiots running corporate. Our local dealer is good people.
Let's try to help them. They are in the middle of it with the rest of us. Just buy used.
Mine is not.
Most are crooks
I picked up a 24 Roadglide, and I love how it rides. Did my 1k service a few weeks ago, and now I'll do my own oil changes.
I traded my 19 RGS that was fun, but just didn't love riding as much as I do with this one or my older Roadking.
I agree that the used market will pick up from the older group of riders, and I'm all about it. Once life/finances allow I'll add a Twincam 103 Roadking/deluxe or heritage.
Preach it Geezer! I love the brand and want to continue, but the board needs a lesson….sell HD stock and wait for the big dip to buy back in.
Consider that EVERY corporation is going WOKE. But also consider that it does not affect us in any way. If you boycott the company, who do you think it will hurt? It will hurt the employees that are trying to make a living. The share holders are mostly giant corporations that have trillions invested in hundreds of companys and if Harley dies, they will just move on and not look back. You can't do anything about it and it does not affect you, so to everyone, I say get over it.
@@bdtodd50todd38 Public outcry quickly changed Budweisers Wokeness, and it worked for Tractor Supply. You have to know your clientele and obviously the Harley board and CEO don’t care, or don’t know. Push back is needed, we can’t be sheeple…
Reality is; anyone that knows anything about motorcycle engineering and build quality doesn't own a Harley. Thats a big problem that ultimately shows itself in sales .
Love the message Geezer❤
So sad for our kids and grandkids.
I don’t want to imagine what Harley’s new “Leather Shops” are going to look like 😂🏳️🌈😅
I have 3 used Harleys I work on my own bikes I recently closed my bike shop . I'm 66 time to play anyways there are some great deals in used bikes having someone independent of dealers that know what they are doing can hook up a used bike and make it better than new . Look what ever model you buy new the next year it's used and car , bike, boat etc if you ride drive for the sake of the brand then you missed out on the true experience. ✌️
You got it right, perfectly said, thanks my man.
I went to the dealership today I had to make a appointment for service because I bought the service plan and they had quite a few people there and they were all walking around drinking coffee and not buying stuff or bikes and you are right buy used and not new bikes I seen a piece they have a plant in India and now they are building a plant in Japan and laying off the people in the Pa plant
They claimed those plants were to make bikes for sale in their respective countries with EPA emissions accordingly. Is there a way to track whether future bikes become imported from those plants to sell here in the USA?
Gunny here! I suggest that y'all start smaller. Stop buying their merch that y'all have been adorning yourselves in for decades. Hell, they don't even put the name on their logo anymore anyway. The MERCH, financing and aftermarket is where they rake it in. The CEO has no idea about the American concept of motorcycling and independence, so y'all are going to have to get used to the idea that your Harley Davidson "freedom in the wind" Easy Rider image is gone forever. Y'all are going to have to do it by yourselves, with no company support to sustain that image. Sad, but there's no going back, and it IS a little concerning that a lot of you counted on that company image to begin with. Me? I beat the rush and dumped my ElectraGlide years ago when the whole HD thing was getting overpriced, cultish, snobbish, and stupid. I say dump all your HD jackets, boots, t-shirts, hats, patches, socks, underwear, bandanas, swag, etc etc that y'all so loyally promote the HD brand with... they don't love you back anymore. Just ride 'cause you love it, screw the image and the "culture".
Very well put HG!!
I stopped a bit ago buying anything from HD. 10 HDs over 40 years+... i sold off my M8 Limited (too fancy, no soul) and went backwards to a 2007 Road King Custom with a 96 TC, 6 speed, no windshield. 16" bars, and Rhineharts. It suits me, im at 60k milrs now on it and I'll rebuild it at 200k if its needed.
I have had my last dealer service, bought my last dealer shirt, or any other parts if i can get them anywhere else (and they are everywhere) i just will not support the MoCo anymore when they are teying to destroy the moral fabric of our lives with their woke junk.
It does make me realize... we are not to put our faith in man...or a company... but in God alone!
Ive been buying generic motorcycle wall art, shirts, etc... no more HD badge stuff until they fix their path back to the way it should be.
Well said Geezer!
HG send link to mirrors?
TCMT. I have a video on them.
Thanks, they working good?
@@briancunha6965 i had to make sure I cranked them down real good with my hand guards. The peripherals seem fine.
Ok great, going to pick up a pair.
Please bring back Victory Motorcycles! 🇺🇸🏍️
That would be an Indian question.
Harley didn’t make the culture. Harley simply provided a toll to perpetuate the biker community. Remember Harley was initially totally against the current culture however they eventually embraced it. Harley is a corporate entity that wants to separate itself from the “beast” it created and cultured!!!
I’ll never buy a new one. I’ll keep buying used and OM them to to the standards of the biker culture.
What is the problem? I ride my Harley because it's fun - I enjoy it. I couldn't care less what the CEO and board believe or do; they're there to make money for the shareholders. If you boycott HD then the company will close and the CEO will just move on to another company.
Couldn't melt a HD and pour it on my property. Done with them a few years back. Sick of HD acting like they are doing me a huge favor just walking into the dealership. Overpriced bikes, forget about service for your bike. Only way to get them to stand behind warranty is with a lawyer helping you and then your bike is pushed to the very back of the shop and forgotten until you have to have the lawyer fight them again. Then they do a half assed job. Tired of the BS with such a sorry company. I went back to metric bikes and no problems at all.
You should be on their board.
Vikla heritage looks sharpe. Matt laidlaw just released a nice video of a new m8 black one. Nice
I have always bought used. I feel that I get more for my money. I have never payed more than $4,500 for a motorcycle.
Another fine video sir
Very well said! Vote with your wallets.
Yup, closed my HD account, will not buy a new one, probably not gonna set foot on HD property anymore, and will probably ride my ole 2012 until hell freezes over...LOL!
Consider that EVERY corporation is going WOKE. But also consider that it does not affect us in any way. If you boycott the company, who do you think it will hurt? It will hurt the employees that are trying to make a living. The share holders are mostly giant corporations that have trillions invested in hundreds of companys and if Harley dies, they will just move on and not look back. You can't do anything about it and it does not affect you, so to everyone, I say get over it.
I will stick with my pre pre woke Harley,and that’s all I will purchase
I agree fully, but the last thing you said, about them losing HD for good, is exactly what these woke WEF puppets are up to.
They want to reduce the size of HD Engines and scooters, then replace them with smaller gas for now bikes n later only electric!
These guys are woke, but they are pretty smart Totalitarian mobsters!
I only have bought used in the past ten years, and I like fobless, non computer driven Harley's as much as possible!
Remember, every time your told that an update is needed to your newer bikes, that really means we are fixing a glitch or a problem with your bikes computer!
We're you can really hit them hard, is don't buy their accessories nor motor clothes!
Keep up the good work on your channel!
Thanks for being part of the channel.
Yes, the culture is yours, but you need to dissociate the culture from the corporation. The culture and the corporation are separate entities. The corporation does not care about you nor your sense of community; only that your sense of community funds them. A few years ago we began to hear HD tout itself as a luxury brand. That should have been your first clue they didn't care about you. Things classified as "luxury goods" are designed to milk the poor for all they have and keep them where they are.
Well spoken 👍👍👍🇦🇺
Its the old white guys culture leave our bike alone 🤣🤣🤣
I normally don't respond to this, We are here in Sturgis. If you go to the Indian Corporate Display, it is empty. HD area had about 100 or so when we were there. The Indian at the same time, had about 10 people. It's just a fun fact you can see on our videos
Thanks
602 bikes sold at black Hills HD.Hmmm boycott 😂
Yea not sure when all businesses is going to learn to stay the hell outta of politics it’s like anything and everything this country can somewhat come together on whether it’s hobbies to sports they have F***** it all up
We can help each other and remain a tight community.
Make Indian Great Again…
Yamaha #1 lol
Consider that EVERY corporation is going WOKE. But also consider that it does not affect us in any way. If you boycott the company, who do you think it will hurt? It will hurt the employees that are trying to make a living. The share holders are mostly giant corporations that have trillions invested in hundreds of companys and if Harley dies, they will just move on and not look back. You can't do anything about it and it does not affect you, so to everyone, I say get over it.
I dont really care what corporate does, they could be the best run company in the world and it wouldnt justify 50k for a new motorcycle.
Change the CEO. Other than that, who cares?
Sorry to hear that channels like yours snd Veteran Biker have gone down that “me-too” spiral. Just enjoy your HD and forget about that other stuff. That’s the whole point of getting out to ride.
This is such bullshit. We should not be so closed minded. To me, HD stands for freedom and that means freedom for ALL!!
You weren’t even there so you are just going by what a few people said. All the big companies are juggling this stuff there was also a video of the Indian area with very few people. Just maybe people are out riding and not listening to all this nonsense you you tube guys are spewing.
I have been there 13 times. They are always out riding.
Thanks for being positive lest you forget they tried this wokeness at I think 100th anniversary in Milwaukee when the headliner was Elton John tried to push the fudge packer lifestyle down our throats I say middle finger to you HD next bike is a Honda more American than Harley with there Chinese wiring harness and Chinese bearing's,there is a huge warehouse across the street from Harley in Wauwatosa that used to supply the American made bearing's which know houses Pensey Spices ,HD makes sure the conexx boxes from China are gone before daybreak, check out the tags in your Harley leather made in china. Harley has been sticking it to you for years and you first noticed? Have y'all been like an Amish horse wearing blinders pretending not to see! Cause it sounds good and looks cool! Ever hear a 6 cylinder engine designed in Japan with straight pipes assembled in Marysville oh ? And hoping HD will change well good luck with that and I bet you believe in the tooth fairy too!
What exactly do you mean by "woke"? Are you insinuating that Harleys are specific to a single political mindset?
Get over it. Sell the dam harleys. Quit drinking bud light. Drink miller and ride a HONDA. the writing is on the wall. DONT YOU GET IT
No dont still ride harleys. Bury harley. Go woke go broke for all harleys new and used. HANDA. KAWASAKI. The japaneese are NOT woke
@@Steven-pv1xr There are many who share your sentiments.
Japanese are culturally Based. Of all the tools in my toolbox, the Japanese ones are far & away the best.
@@sicsempertyrannis4104 I can’t argue against Hondas