Longterm Review Triumph Bonneville T100 ac -Vs- Triumph Bonneville T120!
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- This video compares the old air cooled T100 with the new Liquid cooled T120. are they really so different? please note. comparison is of stock none modified machines!
PATREON. / stuartfillingham
This video resonates with me. My recently acquired 2011 T100 is my 21st bike in 40 years of riding, and first Triumph. I’ve had Honda, Suzuki, BMW and others as well as enduro to cruiser to cafe to touring. However the T100 just makes me smile every time and I believe because as you said, bike have become too much, and the throw back style and riding position brings me back to my no frills 80’s Suzuki GS450. Hop on and ride.
I don't think you notice it but you clearly have more love for the air cooled
Well stated sir. " Throw on a bike jacket a pair of gloves and a helmet and you're on your way." This is what we've forgotten. Time to get back at it.
That's what it needs to get back to I shouldn't need a pilot license to ride it
I have a brand new 2018 T100 on loan from triumph while my t120 was having an annual service, let me tell you I was blown away with the grunt it has so much power in all the gears, It nearly pulled my arms off. As for my my bike they did an update on on the engine and now it won’t start so now they are waiting on info from triumph, we now have technicians instead of mechanics.
The T100 is just so much more simple. My freind has one and wont change it. He says it works just fine why change it and it isnt slow either, I struggled on my old sprint to keep up with him. His plus was the abillity to flip through traffic. I think also that we both been riders over 40 years and not only does the style bring back memmories, But its like having a bike from the past that is made to ride, Not sit in the garage being stripped down for repairs every couple of weeks. Its simple with no rad in the way, You can get to it and if you have to, Work on it easy. Take it from me, This thing can shift and keep pace with any group. in fact i can no longer keep with him, I have a rocket and on rural roads he ,s gone. To get this bike, You really arnt getting a lesser bike. If your old school. You will be plenty happy with this. If i had the cash i would want it as a second bike.
Well said sir! thanks for watching!
I have watched many TH-cam presentations over the years and have to say Stuart's are simply the best I have had the pleasure to watch. Simplistic, honest, informative and to the point. I am currently thinking about to returning to biking after many years and researching the marketplace for a bike best suited to me. Stuart has convinced me the Bonneville is that bike, in fact his T100 is the identical bike I have been looking at. Thank you for your assistance and will continue watching for the pay day customisation of the bike.
This was just what I needed to hear! I'm deciding between the bonneville models. Thanks!
I have a 2013 aircooled t-100 and since the release of the fancy new water cooled Bonnies, i have felt rather inferior.....until this video! Thanks for the comprehensive comparison. You have rebuilt my mojo.
They are a smashing bike that kept Triumph afloat for many years sir, but they are still very relevant and probably a future classic in my book!
Feeling exactly the same!
Perfectly stated Stu. Love my t120. I call it my 1974 CB550 but everything is new 👍🏼. But as you said not nearly as raw as air cooled. Sold my KTM1290SA reluctantly but haven’t really missed it. Granted I’m not doing cross country anymore and If I was still long touring a GS or equal touring bike totally worth it. But not around town. My fav btw is my zero fxs 😎
I really wish that Triumph hadn't gone to a 270° crank on the water-cooled bikes... I love the v-twin sound but if I wanted a v-twin, I'd have bought a bike with one. Air/Oil-cooled 360° crank for the win.
Thank you for the informative review. I have an air cooled 2015 T100 and am evaluating a 2017 liquid cooled T120. I just want a slightly more comfortable ride on highways (65 mph.) I am not sure of shelling the additional $5K with trade in. Your perspective is timely and helpful.
If your enjoying the air cooled twin stick with it sir, the watercooled twin will not really offer 5k more value to your life!
Your vids are some of the best I watch
Thank you Martin!
Hello Stuart,
Another interesting video! I always look forward to your videos my friend, and find them very well produced! Keep up the great work! I love my 2017 T120, but really still getting to know her! I’m 70 years young and just started riding again after 40+ years! Take care!
Well done Jay good to hear that you have got back on two wheels< far better than just wishing you had! thanks for watching sir and for your comment!
Interesting.. I have a Triumph Explorer and I believe I find myself very much in your camp. Last year I bought a Street Twin as I fancied a stable mate for the TRX but I now find myself riding the Twin as first choice .. because it's fun ..!.. It's easy to pop up town, park by a coffee shop and sit watching people admire the bike. Last weekend I got the TRX out and by god it felt big and unwieldy... this may just be an age thing but it was a real hand full after the Twin..... FYI, I had a GSX250 in 1980 as my only mode of transport but again this is was a really easy bike to live with... And just a quick note regard your channel. I find it like a comfortable old leather chair that I look forward o sitting in after a hard days work.... sometimes the simple things are the best.... I've seen a number of channels evolve into hi tech viewing where the message is lost in favour of snazzy camera angles and precise editing... a bit like my local coffee shop..!... keep it simple stupid Stu... your doing a great job and I don't think you lost anything during the winter.. it's just that we are all climbing the walls desperate to get out on the road...🏍
I dont think its age Dave its just common sense kicking in! thanks for watching!
Very enjoyable video Stuart. Being a fairly new rider in my mid thirties who enjoys classic or dare I say proper motorcycles. I purposely looked for left over air cooled bonnevilles as the water cooled models never interested me in the slightest. There is also something romantic and authentic about an air cooled engine on a bike that you can see through. Needless to say my first motorcycle was a left over 2015 mag wheeled bonneville 900 which I still own. Recently just purchased a "new" 2016 air cooled Thruxton 900 knowing that it is one of the last great Triumph legends. Keep up the great content!
Thank you Andrew, Good grief how did you manage to find that? i thought they were all long gone! They are a future classic sir, mark my words!
Glad it isn't just me. Own a T100, rode the new water cooled model. Handled a bit better, stopped a bit better and had a much smoother engine. Like you, I felt it had lost some of its British-ness. If something happened to my T100 it would be a difficult choice...unless I went to a Moto Guzzi V7.
Great stuff as always. Apart from the pay day projects what was the reason for you buying the T100 after you had the T120?
Hi Cotti, it was purely purchased for the pay day project!
Having gone back to Triumph in the past year with a 17 plate T100 Black I heartily agree with your comments. Not only wrestled with the T120 or T100 conundrum, I also considered most the rest of the stable! Really happy with my choice and have subscribed to the channel.
Good to hear Jon! hope you have a great summer on your bike, thanks for your subscription and of course for watching!
It's always a pleasure watching your vids over the weekend. Keep up the good work and don't let the numbers drive your enthusiasm, it's the quality of the subscribers that counts. May I suggest setting up a page with affiliate links with different sections: motorcycle clothing/kit, cleaning products, amazon kits etc. Ride safe!
Hi Cristian, thank you for the encouragement sir. i have set up affiliate links with some companies and also have a Patreon account but have only set these up recently as costs were getting out of hand!
Can't fail to enjoy your no nonsense, straight talking honesty.
I hoped we had all outgrown the brand/model snobbery.......but obviously not.
It's all so tedious.
I'm guessing my antecedents are pretty much the same as yours.
Do you not find, once you bond with the thing, it ceases to be a product of a manufacturer and becomes simply 'my bike'?
Even amongst my circle of friends, any of the bikes I ride are known with the precursor 'Chris's '
Ie that's Chris's Harley, etc.
I went back to Triumph after many years because like you, I wanted to bring a little of the fun back.
I love my old Shovel Head with a passion, but the new ones didn't float my boat the same.......it may be the Shovel was the Harley I grew up with, and in my mind, that's what I thought they should look like........
(Now who's being tedious.....)
So, my swansong bike, the Thruxton R.
Back on a Trumpet where I started.
So if our paths cross this Summer, you'll have to have a bash on it, see what you think.
Wouldn't worry about content in Winter, most of us hibernate any way.
Once again, great video.
Hey Chris! fully agree sir, a good bike becomes your best friend and partner and i do think a lot of manufacturers over look this when designing bikes these days. I shall look out for you sir!
A very good comparison between the two bikes, I have a 2017 T120 and its my first modern Triumph, last one being 1968, it's been good to hear about the T100, I think I would have enjoyed one. Great viewing Stuart, thanks.
Thank you Robert!
Hey Stewart, we haven’t chatted in a while. I always enjoy watching your vids but as you say, the winter is challenging when trying to get outside content. In NY, we just got hit with another 18 inches of snow so I feel your pain! I haven’t been out on the 120 in a long time! Keep up the great work!
Hey Stranger! Thanks for looking in sir!
Hay Stuart,
When I purchased my new 2015 air cooled Bonnie T100, I had the choice to wait for the water cooled models that were arriving in less than 6 months. I thought long and hard about it and decided that the AC T100 was the way to go. Man, am I glad it did. In arriving to this decision, some of the things I considered were: Large selection of aftermarket products available right now, The extended user knowledge base of this model, and the bike being more true to its heritage. Now don't get me wrong, the new Bonneville line of Triumphs are are great, (dual discs up front, not needing 15 minutes to get under your seat, and a fuel gage (what a concept)). A good friend of mine decided to wait it out for the T120. Now that I have experience with both models, I have to say that your compare and contrast comments were right on the mark!
Cheers,
Ken
hi Ken, yes i think the AC models were instantly disregarded when the WC version was released, but they are not that far apart really! thank you for watching sir!
Great video Stuart, the last bike I owed was a 2011 T100 ac, I now have a 2016 T120 I love both bikes, the T100 had a few mods rear shocks, pipes, seat and shining bits etc, the T120 is still mainly stock apart from screen and panniers. I ride about 100 miles a day to work and back, and a ride out on most weekends, I think both bikes sit well on the motorway and on A roads. The T100 was My first "Classic" style (after having sports bikes) and I was hooked. Well done again.
Thank you very much Paul, and of course for watching sir!
Thank you Stuart! Your reviews and videos are splendid! Your subtle demeanor and approach to your experiences on the motorcycle makes a pleasant adventure and experience for those who watch. I personally, thoroughly enjoy every moment, from start up, to riding, to your personal reviews and comments, views of the local sceneries, and your conclusions of the subject of your video. You are the epitome and envy of all true motorcyclists! Thank you for your time and effort in everything you do! -Steve-
Wow! thank you Steve! I dont know what to say, except you are very welcome sir and thank you for watching!
thank you sir, you've helped a 66 year old guy in Canada that fell in love with Bonny a very long time ago
I'm in a long term relationship with my 2011 T100 SE... Bonnie is the best girlfriend I ever had. The rest of them suck!!!! HAHA!
Agree with everything you said about not putting on loads of gear but still being safe on the road .I gave up a biggish Kawasaki to go back for something that has ease of use .And now ride a 200cc Suzuki van van and loving the convenience of a lightweight bike that does not take things to seriously .Oh and so easy to get out the front gate .
Such a great review. As a senior rider and having ridden sport tourers and large cruisers in the past, I have always loved the Bonnie and strongly considering getting one. Being American, I lean towards the T120, but I feel the T100 will fit the bill better. Your perspective is greatly appreciated.
Not had a bike since 1993 when my wife was taken ill long term, last bike was a Honda CX500 euro sport, had a few meridian Triumphs before that, last one was a T140 export bonnie bought new in 1975 with lower bars fitted than standard it was nothing but trouble and while all old British twins vibrated it was terrible our lass could not keep her feet on the pillion rests if I gave it the berrys LOL. would love one of the new ones weather air cooled or water cooled ones but will have to win the lottery for that, keep up the good work I enjoy your films
Nice to hear from you Paul, thanks for your comment, best get out and buy yourself some tickets eh!
Fantastic video...Helped me greatly in this difficult choice....I think The T100 looks a little longer, wheelbase and therefore might be better for two up...2 non petite people...If I can find pipes that do not have such an obvious kink?
Just bought a 2015 used and only 5,000 miles right near my house and couldn’t be happier. I was going to get a 2024 brand new T120 but would have been a lot of money and my girlfriend found one near our home for sale. It’s in perfect condition and guy can’t ride anymore. I saved my self a LOT of money and added some mods. This is my favorite bike!
Interesting videos, I just did a similar switch and for the same reasons. I purchased a Kawasaki Versys LT model, that is the suit up touring version, and I must said, it had excellent brake system and excellent suspension fully adjustable front and back, so the ride quality and stopping power was superb, but that 650cc parallel twin had no character, and that transmission was not setup right, it always felt I was a gear to high or to low. Then I rode a 2012 T100 and I was sold, full of character, the 5 gears were spaced correctly, it didn’t feel lazy, I had torque from the second I released the clutch, and the engine felt relax and smooth, no weird vibration, from that day I knew I wanted a Triumph, went on a search until I found a 2017 street scrambler garage queen and am just loving it, it doesn’t feel as true as the 2012, but still much more character than the Versys. The modern improvements from 2012 to 2017 is similar to the feeling I got from watching the camera quality of this video to your new videos. I just started following you since 2022, so I never seen any of your old stuff, but watching this 6 year old video makes me appreciate the advancements in technology, you have come a long way. To conclude, yes I agree, the Versys always felt like a shore, a serious commitment to go work, while the Scrambler feels like fun, to puddle around on a Sunday afternoon just enjoy the feel and the sound of an old school tractor engine moving you around, I am loving it.
Great video Stuart, so much information especially since.l have a 2014 t100 that l love but have been thinking bout trading for street twin.
Hey Terry, The choice is yours sir, i was just trying to put things in to perspective for people who may be torn between the two, thank you for watching sir!
Thanks for the amazing review and video, curious as to what is the realistic MPG or Kilometres per liter the Aircooled T100 would deliver in day to day around tye town and on freeways
I totally agree with you young man. I had a Triumph Rocket III Touring and the screen and rear sissy bar were add Ons which cost a fortune. I then bought a Triumph America, which I really love, but accessories are extortionate. Great bikes, but John Bloor and Company are only in it to extract our pennies! Keep the good videos coming (from one ex job, to another).
Young! i dont get called that very often these days! Yes i agree with you Triumphs greed is a little bit too obvious for my taste, they do need to tone it down a little and try to offer a little bit more value for money!
I enjoyed the video. The winter solution is an easy one, become an ice speedway gladiator!
What an excellent idea mr Thrush! thank you for watching sir!
I had an -07 Speedmaster. 96 000km later I sold it. It's still working fine without any complaints. Not even valveadjustments. :-) Well done Stuart!
Thank you John!
I am sure the T100 is a fine bike, I’ve owned a 2018 T120 for 2 years now. I thoroughly enjoy the bike. I owned a 650 Tiger in 1974, loved that Triumph and have now renewed that love affair. I enjoy your reviews. Keep up the good work.
Out at the weekend on my 22yr old 1100 Cali with my mate on a year old Triumph T120 scrambler. After ten mins at a cafe a guy strolls over from his Triumph stag, straight to the Guzzi, with a story of how he was gonna get one but never did, etc. Not so much as a glance at the scrambler.
5 mins later young lady arrives with the standard all day full Scottish brekkie. Also all eyes for the old Guzzi, and again no notice taken of the gleaming Triumph. Of course I made nothing of this, now normal, occurrence. Well not much. 😎.
To be fair similar thing thing happened when he had a 800 BMW and later A 1200 GS. 😆
I think simply put the difference is Analog Vs Digital , I’ve had lot of bikes in my years and currently own an 06 rocket 3 and a 13 BONNEVILLE SE . They both do different things I know but the Grunty 2-1 exhaust and mods I’ve made to it make it feel like my old MX-5 . Just enough power to make it fun yet tons of character and just a little raw / rough round the edges. I rode a friends Thruxton R and yes I loved it for the power but if I were going to buy a fast naked bike I’d rather spend my money on a speed triple (which I used to own too).
Air cooled Bonnies are cool ! Kinda like Air cooled 911’s.
J
I have a 2009 Triumph T100, a 2005 Buell XB9and a 1965 Honda 90. I find that my favorite bike is whichever bike I am on at the moment. I like the new Triumph Bobber, but the cost is high, the tank small, and I don’t know if I would find it worth the cost. I wish my T100 weighed less and had more horsepower but I do love it. Little mods continue to be made over time.
My previous two bikes were TIger800s, but last fall moved to a wc T100. I am having far more fun on my bonnie than I ever did on those big adventure bikes! You're so right!
Hey Scott, yeah i think you get a bit blinkered when you've had them for a while and you forget what your missing! i would never go back to them now!
I have owned 177 bikes in my 50 plus years of riding. Everything from the Ninja 1100 to a Hodaka Ace 90. I bought a 2008 T100 a year ago and consider it one of the best bikes I have ever owned. By far the best looking. I had a couple of brand new Brit bikes in the 70's that were pure crap. My Bonneville is very high quality and reliable as any bike out there. I think it has so much character, I always turn around at least once from the carport to the house to look at it again. Mine has the chrome engine covers and the dark green and white gas tank.
Just ran across this. Good points and I agree. I love my air cooled / carbed T100. The new water cooled Triumphs are nice, but I ride my Triumph for its relaxing and vintage character. The air cooled models succeed in this mission and can be bought for a fraction of the price of a T120.
You bring up maintenance and dyi upgrading or dressup of the t100. I just bought a 2005 bonneville. A beautiful bike. Flawless for a 2005 with 20,000 on the clock. I think my biggest complaint is no center stand. So right away you have to spend the green on a lift, or rear end stand, just to do basics. Chain lube or just adjustment. Any bottom end maintenance. And finding one for a reasonable price isn't fun either. Two struts and a cross member and spring, 4,5,6 hundred bucks for a factory one. Then aftermarket, fit is a problem. But I do love the bike. Take care.
I was recently in the market for a new Bonneville. I found a like-new 2014 T100 with only 137 miles on it versus a new 2020 T120. Before I spent my money, I wanted to test drive each to see which I preferred. I had cash in hand to pay for either in full and the dealer refused to let me test drive the T120. I test drove the T100 and immediately fell in love with it which is what I wound up purchasing. I couldn't be happier with it.
I'm so happy I went with the air cooled model. I prefer the looks of the T100 without the radiator and more recent faux carbs. Plus the black and red paint scheme with the stripe down the fenders looks aesthetically more pleasing to my eyes versus the black and orange pumpkin T120 I was contemplating purchasing.
Before everyone asks, the person who sold me the bike had an uncle who rode it twice than passed away due to breaking his hip. His nephew kept it for years but never rode it. So he sold it to me for 1/2 the cost of the new T120 and I'm in heaven with it! I prefer the 360 crank as well as it sounds like a true vintage Bonneville versus the 270 sounding more like a Harley.
Thank you for your honest review!
@@kensanity178 Sure - $6200 USD - worth every penny!
Man that t100 is a stunner. Don't get me wrong t120 is also handsome, but that t100 with all the chrome an black and white + air cooled engine is just piece of art.
😍
I appreciate your honesty and riding experience. My family legacy points me to Triumph but this dude is perhaps too old (74) with other more pressing responsibilities to invent in another bike,
I picked up a 2013 T100 for $4k with 1800 miles only. Excellent fun.
Good video.
I thought (possibly incorrectly) that they had to make the engine water cooled to meet Euro emission regulations.
Have to say, I always like the idea of better brakes and ABS. You never know when you're going to meet a distracted semi blind car driver. ABS does help in bad weather conditions.
Triumph like to sell unnecessary "jewelry" for their bikes. They haven't managed to sell me any yet.
I’m seriously considering a really good 2006 T100 at the moment. Thx for video.
I have a ‘15 Trophy and I have found the same issues with the bike you did with your BMW. I have been looking for an air cooled Bonnville and really enjoyed the video.
I’ve been following your videos since I found my 2006 Bonneville last spring. Your recommendations on parts and updates have been very helpful.
My doctor had me sell my old 73 Trident after my back went out about 8 years ago. The newer T100 has renewed the spirit of the 60’s in this old boy.
Thanks Stuart!
Sir, i am looking to buy a bonnie, and now, in 2021, the prices of new bonnevilles are very expensive here in Canada. I am looking, therefore to buy used. There are some really nice low milage air cooled bonnies, however, i am concerned that an aircooled engine will run hot. Can you please comment, asked on your experience if that is the case. Thank you very much. Mariana
Another excellent video...well done Stuart. I purchased my brand new 2015 T100 having fallen in love with it on visiting the local dealer purely on a tyre-kicking exercise. I simply had to have it, and the various videos on TH-cam ensured I felt well informed as to what I was getting into. I knew that a new model was just around the corner but I could not resist buying this bike and just a few hours later was riding it out the store. I work overseas so only get a few weeks at a time to enjoy it, and nothing wipes the huge grin off my faces! On a recent break I popped back to the local dealer to have a good look at the T120 with the 6th gear, larger engine and improved fuel consumption uppermost on my mind. It was a short inspection, as I quickly realised there was absolutely no reason to fork out the extra cash. Plus the interest that my current bike received from customers and staff alike made me appreciate it even more. You hit it on the head where the T100 is more than up to the task. It’s a fun bike, and one that fills me with immense pride. It’s definitely a keeper!
Great review i think i dont change my old t 100 for a T 120 its too expensiv for the difference you can get
I changed from a street triple to a T120black which was a great move for me the T120 was less intense but still sufficiently capable.
I thought he said, "I've been robbing banks for 37 yrs" Made me do a double take.
Yeah Stuart you tell Em ! On the 16th of April I'll have had my Bonneville 10 years and hoping to clock the old girls 50,000th mile this summer ! She's a tractor mate but I love her , she never slips a beat and wouldn't part with her . I bought her brand new from St Austell G T Motorcycles for the princely sum of £4850 .
Hey Mr cool ! i disagree! they are no tractor! compared to a lot of bikes they are a very refined smooth running machine! Try running a boxer twin now thats a tractor! but i get where your comiing from, they kind of get under your skin dont they? Thanks for watching!
Yeah , I didn't mean that literally , I know what a fine machine it is , I've had it ten years and ridden it almost 50,000 miles . When I got the bike you did't see another one , if you did it was an occasion .Triumph only made a few thousand a year and most of those went to the States , The Brits wouldn't touch them and were still getting over their German/Japaneses fixation . Incidentally , have you ever wondered at and admired the longevity , Reliability , efficiency and simple beauty of the Massey 35 ;-)
is that the little grey one? lol, i think the main reason no one in the UK would touch them was because of the reputation the original meridian model had achieved by the 1980s it had become a big joke. thats why Triumph waited so long before reintroducing it!
I've seen a few in grey , but a lot of the restored ones are usually red . After the Meriden story Triumph couldn't have risked even a handful of reliability issues on the re-launch so the brief was to over engineer the motors .
When I got the bike the amount of scoffing that went on from mates , who couldn't get why I would buy such a thing , " And when was I going to get a proper bike ? "
Triumph really have made their mark , and it's a beautiful thing to witness and be part of .
I'm a summer rat myself and so my T-120 has been sitting in the garage all winter. I'm craving the warm weather so I can finally take her out and live life to the fullest. For now, I'm just dreaming...... Thanks for the Vid Stuart!!! I think you have a solid group of followers who take your input very serious and enjoy your take on this awesome bike!!!
Thank you Jose!
I do like your videos Stuart, no bull, very informative,. I have a 2015 oil cooled scrambler, I paid 6500 for it With only 2500 Miles on it, I have upgraded it , as follows, previous owner had put a zard exhaust system on it, and a remap, I have debaffle the air box, K & N filter, removed the air injection system, removed the lamber sensor's, stage 3 remap, Tec bike parts, rear shocks, front progressive springs and top ajusters, Metzler tourance Tyres, so I spent about a grand, But bloody hell what a difference, I have ridden a T120 and mine feels quicker, definitely has more caracter, so you are so right in what your saying, I also think that some of the things on the new Bonnie range are a bit crap, I don't like that single Speedo they put on the 900 scrambler and street Bike's, the front mudguard on the street scambler is pinched off the steet twin and doesn't follow the same curve as the 19inc wheel, The brushed alloy engine cases corrode, and I think they are to much money,. I Test rode the new street scambler, before I bought mine, I really liked it, but when I looked properly at the Demo , it had Fox rear shocks, an Arrow exhaust system, custom seat, led indicators, Tail tidy, so getting on for 2000 pounds of extras, so on top of the price of the bike, your looking at almost 12.000 grand , A lot of money for what is essentially a basic Motorcycle. Also according to George at Tec Bike parts, the new 900 engine has been deliberately restricted with a restictor cam shaft, Because if it wasn't apparently it is very close to the 1200, engine, making it obserleate. Let me know your thoughts, and keep up the good work. Ray.
I cant argue with you Ray as you say it is just a basic motorcycle selling at a price that would buy you a reasonable spec small car! Triumph do seem to be winning the game with their bikes there is no doubt about it, but i think the sales are a result of sharp marketing and spin!
More chrome! More chrome! More chrome! And paint those forks silver.
Hi Stuart I have been watching your quality videos for a while now. I’m holding you responsible, today I put a deposit on a new Street Twin. On my camping a few months ago lost my Monster due to bike vs dog, so a new bike was in order. Your informative videos helped make my choice very easy, I hope Triumph start in some way to support what you do. They at least owe you a commission on my sale. 👍
LOL Hi Phil i get blamed for this a lot! I might be mistaken but i vaguely remember you mentioning your accident a while ago. Good choice on your new purchase though sir! hope to see some pics when you take delivery, your always welcome to add me on FB and post up some pics! your going to have to rethink your user name though!
stuart fillingham Thank you for always replying and your right about the accident 2 months to heal your videos were watched a few times over. I got the Matt black with a sump guard via your videos and a fenda extenda. At 53 I am not tech smart, so no FB. If I can send you some pictures I will. Lol about my name😂
no problem matey always happy to chat with like minded people! bike sounds awesome!
Very good points, well made. I think bikes from new are getting to the point of being very overpriced especially compared to what you can now get second hand.
I own a Triumph America from new at £8k, its closest new cousin is the Triumph Bobber Speedmaster at 13k. No way is that a £5000 better bike and that's the problem with the new bikes. With all the added tech and development costs put into the price, the quality and performance of nearly new last gen bikes speak for themselves. Plus like you say more money can then be spent on the bike to make it your own.
I also really have a soft spot for air-cooled engines :) cannot see myself changing my America for anything new now.
Its like i said Paul. many of these bikes are bought by men in the throws of a mid life crisis! they get it out of their system during the first summer, then they are put in the garage and barely see the light of day again. to that end there are many barely used bonnies sitting in garages waiting for a more deserving owner at a reasonable price!
@@stuartfillingham A little different from mid life crisis I'll admit, more like teenage life crises, but when I saved up my paper route money to buy my first bike (a Honda CL100) my Mom said it was a phase I was going through. 49 years later I'm still going through that phase.
Couldn’t agree more about the xs250 etc, cheap simple fun
......."Triumph Herald-ed"............I see what you did there.........
Hi Stuart, I am looking to get a Bonneville and was just wondering what your thoughts are on using the old air cooled bikes in the winter.. I would like to use the bike throughout the year so would I be right in thinking that a new water cooled t120 would be a better choice over say a 2011 865?? Your thoughts would be greatly appreciated.
Thank you Stuart for such an entertaining informative channel,good work 😃
Regards Jan
Hi Jan thank you! whether water cooled or air cooled it makes no difference which you choose for winter riding really. what it comes down to is which version you prefer and will be happy with! Thanks for watching.
Really excellent review. Points were laid out clearly. I enjoyed the video, thank you!
Just put a deposit down on a 2022 t100. Thanks to your reviews
If the front brakes on my T100 were any better I'd be in trouble.
Stuart, I love this video. My experience aligns with yours. Back many years ago when I was in my teens and twenties I had the Honda CB360 which was actually a copy of the British classics parallel twin and everything. I rode it to school and work , to dates etc. Over the years I “upgraded “ to larger street bikes and had several Goldwings. The Triumph Bonneville America is an air cooled time machine that harkens back to the past. Like you said just throw a jacket , gloves and helmet on and go for a ride. It is not too heavy, looks good easy to ride and sounds great. What more is there? Thanks for the great video and keep them coming. I enjoy the videos as they are if you buy new equipment so much the better, but they are perfect for me.
Thank you sir! i think we all get sucked in to the upgrade way of life while we are young, and at a certain age you suddenly come to your senses. and realise its probably not the best way to live your life!
@@stuartfillingham Im 62 years old and can attest to having the same attitude adjustment. Also, more isn't always more. I've gone from my big Harley Electraglide (which I loved riding for 10 years) and a Gold Wing before the Harley. I just bought a nimble (for me) 2019 Kawasaki W800 Street and love it (for the brief few rides before winter snow). I did look at the Bonnies and Interceptor as well. The W800 has a little more than half the weight and a bit more than half the power of my Glide. Getting back to the basics of motorcycling sure feels great! I enjoy your videos a lot in spite of not being a Triumph or RE Interceptor owner. I'ts been a tough year (liver transplant and then post transplant lymphoma). Your videos (for the discerning rider!) and the promise of riding my new bike helped to keep me going. Greetings from Canada.
This place can heal my soul But i just can't afford the trip .
For me, I just picked up a 2010 T100, for commuting. I follow your channel which did ultimately help solidify my choice, but the biggest gripe I have on the water cooled 1200's is the heat! I live in Arizona USA, and while commuting, that 1200 will be a leg burner. I'll ride through 112 F days..that T120 on a 80 degree day felt hot hot hot! That fan kicked on and phew..toast!
I look forward to taking some inspiration from the PDP 900.
Cheers!
Yes its a big problem with modern lean burn engines! all in the name of emission's regulations im afraid. a cross pipe can cool things down slightly but probably wouldn't be very noticeable in your situation. thanks for watching the PDP series. i think we are up to part 10 now!
Thanks for the video Stewart. I also like both bikes and it was a difficult decision for me to decide which model to go for. It's not just the price of the bike that has to be considered but in my case the justification of spending such a large amount of money on something ridden just for pleasure on sunny weekends. When I realised that some 10 year-old low mileage Bonnevilles in good condition had only lost about £3,000 in depreciation (£25 per month) I Justified to myself that a new t120 was almost as good as still having the money in the bank…. Can't wait for next month when I take delivery.
congrats on you new bike Nick!
Great vid as always. I currently have a 2013 t100 and was looking into a new t120. I find that in the states generally having some extra power is more comfortable since there are a lot more motorways and the majority of even simple trips require greater mileage. Do you think investing into the t120 is worth it for the extra displacement/6th gear?
Also your recent content has persuaded me to become a patron so keep up the good work!
Thank you so much for becoming a Patreon sir, it is much appreciated! a little extra power is always nice, but, on a naked bike your always limited by you own physical endurance so in that respect both bikes are pretty much the same. where the T120 does win however (something i forgot to mention in the video) is its fuel economy! at cruising speeds on a motorway it will return up to 20mpg more than the old bonnie! This could be a significant advantage for someone who does a lot of motorway mileage, Thank you for watching!
Oh well said sir ... well said. My biking pedigree almost mirrors yours Stuart except when you went to the BMW's I opted for Jap naked's. But I always felt something was missing until I got the T120. It just does everything but with so much fun, and it now feels like 'my bike', not the bike (it has a character of its' own). After a year of ownership and having commuted almost everyday it still puts a grin on my face. I haven't de-winterised it yet and riding home from work yesterday I fuelled up. The bike was caked in salt and the tetra-sealed wheels are black but a lovely old gent finished filling his car and came over for a chat about how beautiful the T120h was and shared some stories about his biking youth on his air-cooled Bonnie. What other bike would prompt that? Another superb video sir and don't worry, I think from today's comments your fan-base is with you whatever you decide to do. Pip-pip!!
Hey Paul Thank you sir! to be fair i should have mentioned the fuel consumption of the T120 over the old T100 because there is a big difference but i didn't realise id missed it until the video was uploading!
I have never owned a bike that gets attention like both of my bonnies do, i understand why they do but it never ceases to amaze me. you have to add time to every journey to account for time talking to strangers about the bike when you stop anywhere!
My friend is still very much in to the GSA and always has the latest and greatest £19000 model, of which he is very proud and actively encourages any attention it might get! i went for a ride with him to a biker café just after i had got the T100 and he was dismayed to find a group of bikers crowding around the T100 as we came out of the café, pointing to it and talking about it all with questions when i got to the bike. He stood alone next to his bike totally puzzled as to why no one was looking at his bike!
Thanks for watching!
Thank you for another great video. I had a chance to ride a well sorted air-cooled bonneville last year, and it was a great characterfull motorcycle. However, i do prefer the engine of the T120 :)
Your very welcome sir, have to admit it is a lot better with an x-pipe a throaty exhaust!
Another excellent vid. My bang for the buck choice was a dealor demonstrator '17 Street Twin. $8000 USA. Love it and ride every day rain or shine. Leaving on a 2500 mile trip in April to the desert of Arizona with all camping/cooking gear on board. Cheers
Hey John thanks for watching sir!
Hi Stuart
A nice honest video this week ,I always enjoy your you tub vids .
Like you have ridden a bike for a good 37 years and had a winter hack! .
Love my 2017 t100 water cooled Bonneville and have been working on it (pay day project) .
Just to let you know ,the street twin /street cup /T 100 ,900 water cooled Bonneville all take the same K&N air filter .
Also I believe same as the t120 Bonneville ,hope this might help .
Regards Paul.
Thanks for that sir!
Hi Stuart , I can’t make my mind up which I like best, my 2016 scrambler AC or my new street scrambler. Think the old ac was more easily customised but the technology built into the new street scrambler is fantastic, it’s lighter, less hp than the old m/c but is very fuel efficient and easier to use and is very customisable , although why I can’t find a custom sprocket cover yet I don’t know🤷♂️
Both have much to recommend them.
Think when you’re a youtuber you are kind of on a treadmill. If you want to improve and take the channel further you have to invest more money, then have to ask why, for what reward?
You’re right of course to say that if you don’t improve, eventually it’ll fall by the wayside.
However I think you have a usp in that the mix of practicality and biking dreams and hopes are mixed in such a way that your viewers are kept interested. I personally love this format so keep on going. Cheers mate👍🏻🏍
No one has done a cut down sprocket cover for the wc bikes because its a mess of wires behind the factory one and it wouldn't be a good look. Thanks for your input mike. flying camera is now in my possession and all been well should be incorporating some interesting footage in to future videos!
I agree with a lot of what Stuart says in this video. I ended up with a BMW R1200RT and apart from sheer bulk felt something was missing and so returned to a water cooled Bonneville T100 - great move and brilliant bike. The only issue where my experience differs is that before I had a 2012 Bonneville SE 2012 and have to say the water cooled T100 is to my mind a very different and better motorcycle. A better ride, a better seating position, a better engine and gearbox. Not quite the same comparison as Stuart, my SE had mag wheels and I think a slightly differently sized frame. Great web site and humour, many thanks
Thanks for your comment David and for watching!
Can you recommend some places that sell aftermarket parts that are top notch ?
Also ..... thoughts on the 2022 Triumph T120 ?
watch my videos Don!
Thank you friend, and God Bless.
Lovely video. Do you recommend the fly screen?
There is not enough cheese in your videos - can you please address this issue.
Would you recommend one of these as a good first bike? I want to get my licence this summer and really like the look of these!!
Yes, I certainly would.
I think your videos are top notch and really enjoy them. You do an excellent job explaining the qualities of your bikes in there is parts and most of the other videos I’ve watched. I’ve been looking for a second bike for over year and always gravitate back to the Bonneville. Finding a bike that fits me can be a challenge, on a good day I am 5‘7“ closer to 70 than 60 years. Thanks again for your professionalism and making these videos.
Your very welcome Donald! the Bonneville is a very unassuming bike! i reckon it would be right up your street!
I was pleasantly surprised on your eloquently explained commentary on both bikes. I have an air cooled Bonneville and I absolutely love it, it’s such a fun uncomplicated motorcycle, and I enjoy tinkering with it to make it my own. I also ride a GSA, and your summation of it is very accurate, to the extent that I almost exclusively use it for weekends away or touring. Keep the the good work Stuart, your channel is quality.
Thank you Marc! glad you feel the same and it isn't just me!
I got my T100 from 2008 with 9000 km on the odometer last year, I love the bike, and the price was 1/3 of the new watercool.
BTW, love the chanel.
good choice sir, and thank you for watching!
Another great video Stewart, an honest and very informative video
By someone who knows what they're talking about. I shall after
Watching this be looking for a t100, and be watching reviews of
Said bike, cheers.
Thank you Russell. good luck on your bike hunt sir!
I hadn't looked at the T120 closely - mainly due to price. So, I didn't know it is a water-cooled engine. Probably for that I'd choose the T100 just out of nostalgia's sake. My dad had the original T-120s when it still meant a 650 air-cooled Bonneville. T-100 was a 500cc bike. But, yes, enjoyed the video as I want to one day swap my 2011 SE for a T100. Lovely bikes. Oddly, I feel more at home on my T-140s than the SE. Thank you for the video.
another great video Stuart... was expecting bad news there on your intended direction but glad to see you are taking your youtube into the future.... as a T100 owner and supporter of mods looking forward to the future vids!
Thank you very much sir!
I have the money saved now for a air cooled Bonnie, or save more for a water-cooled (almost half again of what I've saved). This video made me think I should buy an air-cooled T100. I want to do the suspension upgrade regardless of which one I get. For context I'm coming off a Sports bike and most recently a Supermoto. I like you have fond memories of my earlier bikes that were simple, reliable, and didn't need insane power. My favourite bike of all time was my RVF400
Hi there Uncle Stu. Having agreed with much about your findings and criticism over the much reported "gearbox issues" I'm afraid I've just become a hypocrite. After riding the newest Street Twin and absolutely loving it we've ordered a 2021 T100. Stocks of the Street Twin are exhausted with order fulfilment being from Oct 2021 onwards. We walked away from the dealer saying that we'd rather wait until next spring than buy a brand new bike at the very end of the season. They didn't want to lose a potential sale though and rang to offer their (in stock) T100 for hardly any extra. Despite being a bit "Anti Wire Wheels" and actually preferring the urban look of the Street Twin It was still a no-brainer and we're really excited - delivery next Thursday. Having had many modern bikes over the years that certain something which you describe as being lost really struck a chord. Regarding the gearbox issues I wondered if this affected mainly the six-speed boxes found in the T120 and derivatives?
P.S.
Also tried the new 850cc Moto Guzzi V7 iv Stone. Yes, that had character in spades but with various gremlins on the demo bike and a very poor ride quality it was a "No" from me.
Piaggio have a way to go in this respect.
Sadly the Bonneville looks like a mini bike
awesome video!!
I used to own a 1998 Thunderbird Sport 900. Such a great bike! Regret selling it. Now buying a 2004 T100.
Thanks for the video I’ve personally just bought an 09 3,600 mile t100 for under 5k and she’s beautiful and looking forward to doing few upgrades
Stuart, just this morning I took my car into a repair centre in Felinfoel, Llanelli, to get some rust near the sunroof attended to. Immediately on walking into the garage there, I saw a lovely silver grey and red Bonneville there, which I at first thought was a 1968 T120, but was actually a 2004 {54 reg.} aircooled T100. I much prefer the look of it to the newer offerings.
Great comparison video Stuart.
I feel your filming pains... I've slowed my video production down to almost a halt because TH-cam took away my monetization capabilities due to me not having enough subscribers... mind you they made this decision when I was on a roll. So, as much as I love posting videos it's going to be monthly at best now.
Hi Chad, yeah im not entirely sure i trust their given reason for making all the recent changes either! ive spent the last 6 months having every video ive made demonetised as not being suitable for advertisers, then having to go through the appeal process for every one! They are making it really difficult for new talent to get their foot in the door now! it would be easy for me to say keep at it but hell, thats a lot of work to get yourself to the point where your able to get a few measely dollars a month for several days work!
woah, that is insane (making you go through the appeal process)